Remove PvP for a week or so?

[KungFuHobo]

Read before you post,and please don't flame (fat chance anybody is going to read/listen to that lol)

Well...I've been thinking about this for a while...and I've come up with the conclusion that maybe Fiesta should go a week without PvP- and I mean the whole she-bang. Close the Abyss, Stop warrs, Remove the KQ, even close Free Battlezones.

Why? Because PvP seems to ruin the entire community, wheather you do it or not.

I dunno about other servers but we got it BAAAAD in Bijou. I mean, I won't be specific, but there are people who, because they are associated with a strong guild, beleive that they are above everyone else. I mean, im not knocking being in a successful guild, but it seems to change people's attitudes sometimes.

It has come to the point, that when I come home and log on, I feel like im right back at school. Just so much drama. One day your friends ya ya ya...the next day your "friend" is in a guild that isnt the most popular, or maybe somebody from that guild was picking on you in the abyss, and you have nothing to do with them.

Is that not true lol? Honestly think for a minute, if you've done it or a friend has done it...

Another thing, people have had a deep fear of certain guilds, why? because maybe X ammount of capped people are in that guild, and they will spam kill you and your friends, and when your friends find out it was YOUR fault this happened, they kick you from the guild, and huzzah, more drama and yet ANOTHER guild hates you.

Im not saying that this is a permanent thing. and im not flaming on powerful guilds nonono...just it seems that PvP and having powerful "connections" has just ruined what used to be an all nice community.

Some people say "just go guildless" ya ya ya, but i love my guild, and the people there are nice (at least) and idc if were the weakest nub guild in Bijou, Its good people. But I do admit, aside from getting spam invites, going guildless has a few advantages...Stay out of extra drama in your life lol ^-^

Now I get it, how fun it is to be a PKer. I was never one on this game, but in another i was a majour pker. There was alot more drama in the other game because you lost items upon death. That just made me even more of a jerk...heres me:

"Dude, got enuf guts to back all that talk up? Dont cry when I take ur stuff, K?"

*and this is the point where I forget the rest of my thought*...

Oh yea :D

Anywho, I think that removing pvp for a week would be good for the community. I mean before all of this PvP mess, people got along great. At least thats how I remember it. I never saw this in guild chat:

"Come on someone? This guy wont leave me alone I need help"

Back then, a person had a few reasons to kill someone in abyss, and that was either because they stole your room, your kill,or killed a party member. nothing else, no guild drama. You got killed once, and you learned your lesson.

Maybe Im stuck in the past, who knows lol <.>

Anyway...I know what some people have thought by now and thats:

"outspark cares about one thing, and one thing only, and thats cash shop sales...removing pvp removes a reason to purchase sc, and os dont get paid...and uuh...they wont like that lols"

and...wow actually i think i beat myself in an argument *talks to self, im crazeh* but like...wouldnt they make more money if they showed some interest in the community of the game lols?

IDK post your thoughts...maybe something with an actual body and a witty argument.

~ help the environment, prevent forest fires, please dont flame.

[Asheer]

Actually you sound very reasonable, however trust me... there are people here at this forum witch will not be "especially happy" whit your idea.
And i think for any such changes are too late, if we trully want end entire pvp drama only way will be permanent removal whole pvp feature from game what is impossibe.
I too remember old days when usually entire dramas have been solved between guilds or GMs (in extreme cases) when they cared more about community as in current days.
Right now we are left alone whit entire chaos created by idiotic updates...
Staff is focused ONLY how to get more money from CS and they practicly abandon taking care for game itself because they are UNABLE to admit that they screwed up at entire line.
Right now we have in fiesta three front lines.
I - Community vs Staff.
II - pro staff community vs anti staff community.
III -Pro pvp community vs anti pvp community.
After 10/28 patch all i saw coming from staff and have something to do whit abysses was "Buy BoT and you will be fine".
I want to warn staff that there are some MMos (P2P) witch died because staff stop pay attention to voice of community.
I hope that staff will wake up before will be to late for any "Rescue Plan for Fiesta"...

[darthnish]

i has your solution!
1)Stay away from pvp zones
2)use block
3)Come to apoline, we're much nicer :P

[Zh0ngGu0ZhiZa0]

sounds nice, but its not gonna happen. its just too unprofitable for OS to do that. sure, its good for the "community peace," but dont forget a lotta people play this game for competition. there are those who love to pvp, and find nothing else fun, and its those who pay loads of money for cookie packs/cs pts every week. though a good community attracts more players, im sure OS cares more about keeping the well paying players rather than the kind and innocent ones who play this game for free. and i can understand toning down drama, but its just a game, and honestly, the game would get too boring without any drama or disputes.

besides, its not entirely becuz of pvp. people arent always conflicting becuz of pvp, some use pvp to resolve conflicts. theres plenty of other ways to anger people, such as training them, ksing, cussing/shouting insults, etc. taking away pvp wont really make the community nicer, theres always gonna be bad apples, and theyll always find a way to spoil the community.

if anything, pvp is a stress reliever for many, especially capped players. the only area that pvp gets outa hand is abyss, since its always high lvls killing lower lvls. still, take away the pvp feature, and the abyss will be way too crowded, and parties are just gonna train/ks each other.

as mentioned b4, u can pretty much avoid pvp. abyss isnt the only way to lvl, its just a fast option. as for guild wars, create/join a nonwar guild (the fact that everyone makes a warring guild kinda proves people think wars can be fun) or just dont join a guild at all.

its not pvp, its just that more and more people are playing this game, which means more "good" players, but at the same time more "bad" players, and the "bad" players just stand out more.

[cwistmas]

Yes, it is true, Bijou being very popular has been hit hard with drama and the most powerful contributer is PvP. All the back talk, the dying, the everything gets people who don't have the guts to pvp in the abyss so frustrated making them back talk to pkers very stubbornly which is a contribution to the drama and pkers just talking more trash right back. My self when I pked once was told I'd be hacked, I didn't want to talk back but I had to...it's not as easy to not back talk than just typing down, 1.don't back talk. And blocking just makes you want to talk back even more but un-able to which just makes you more frustrated than ever.



I support you as long as its for a week only.

[Shaden]

Drama spreads from everything.

Taking out PvP really won't accomplish anything except result in OutSpark losing money and the forums going up in arguments against the change. Even for the week that FBZ caps were locked down, several threads pushed hundreds of posts arguing how it was bad/good.

Back in the day, we had less drama not because of PvP in my opinion, but because the community was small enough that I knew everyone on the server (more or less) and competition was around, but everyone was like a neighbor.

Now the communities have risen to such an amount of players that knowing everyone is not possible and bad seeds show their faces, and drama stems from more than just PvP. Standing in Elderine for 30 minutes every night I'm sure a new 'issue' is going to arise from these 'lovers'. Competition is at it's highest, not just in PvP, but in PvE. New generation players are concerned in being the best they can and capping is such a big deal that (we all know it) a majority of higher levels look down upon newbies. Few and far between do you find those helpful souls who handed out lv1+6 weapons and gave tips to everyone in Roumen.

Sure, PvP is to blame for some of this (it incites a desire to be better; everyone knows the argument "my main pwns your main") but even without it, drama would still be at large from gossip, training, killstealing, scamming, and so forth. Then I'm sure players who claim they can beat you would still say it, "If this game had pvp, I'd pwn you nubs."

It's really hard to argue this because the two sides are very clear - however, despite the drama that extends from PvP, I firmly believe there is no reason to remove it even temporarily. Reason being that PvP is totally optional and if you are tired of guildies whining, they should stay out of Abyss as well.

OutSpark does care about us, we were just given an awesome new instanced dungeon to help capped and PvE players who don't like participating in PvP when 89. Lower level instances are to come once they get feedback; so really, just because there are a lot of children who like to make drama, doesn't mean that has to ruin an entire part of the game.

"Our guild raids better than you, n00bs."

[Snowman109]

Lol I read a little of the post and pretty much got it, Apo is same way, I can own people on my alt SOOO bad in abyss, when they wana fight, then they GW me and like 10v1 team/spawn me, (obviously Im going down) Then the nub who starts the war is thinking he's all big "OH I PWNED YOO NOOB" (and he doesnt even really do a thing)
"Were a community" This is BS because of stuck up ego-maniacs who are in big guilds and like to pick on people weaker than them with their xxx SC and charms and level from 1-80 in a week stuff. Its all BS, (I love picking on people, But I do it ALONE, Not with an army to back me up, and its usually a fair fight if we do fight.)

[KungFuHobo]

Im surprised at the ammount of intelegent responses I got overnight ^^

Okk Well I cant respond to you all, but I will say that yea all types of PvP will have to go.
I debated this with myself as i wrote it.

"FBZ is light and fun" ya ya ya but still, drama and problems come up. How many times have you, your friends, or your guildies ever made fun of somebody for using Charms etc. in the Battlezone?

Yea, Battlezones and PvP do move alot of my stress to, but the attitudes of everybody else just kinda spoil it sometimes.

I do beleive at least a week without PvP is completely necessary. Oh, and when i say close down the abyss I mean shut it down, not cut out pvp. Like, Move everybody in the abyss out and take the portal guards out even.

I dont wanna move servers, and I admit, I dont want to completely cut out pvp, and I dont want to leave my guildies.

And snow, I dont beleive in showing any hatorade towards strong guilds, I like to admire success and build my guild to be better than that, in a healthy spirit of competition.

And I dont knock using sc either, even though im not allowed to buy it (sad face :() I mean, if they do budge the extra coin they do deserve a power boost.

What I dont like, is when killing a few people gets to somebody's head.

But alot of pvp doesnt show what id call, a "healthy" spirit of competition anymore, honestly.

[thedark17]

PvP Breeds competition, be it good or bad

removing pvp will never happen, to many people enjoy PvP'ing and outspark
makes loads of cash from people who charm/extender

just stay away from abyss if you dont want to die, i dont see the problem, the new notice points out "This is a PvP zone" so if you think you will die from another player, just dont go

As for FBZ you dont even lose xp there, i see no problem lol, thats like a spend your time chilling with your friends zone

if you were complaining about PvP KQ as well, you dont lose any xp there either, only gain it. Sure there are some jerks in there, but thats what the block function is for.

Just my opinion, when i say you, im refering to anyone not just a certain person*****

^.^

Seeing your post i now understand what you mean, the drama not the death xD, but thats still my opinion *not towards the drama* *towards those who just complain about pvp kq*

*I edited this like 100 times >.>*

*last edit*
its a game, there is no "drama" its a place to chill,
relax and focus away from life for abit*

[KungFuHobo]

Brute, the game isnt meant for drama, this is true, but its just what happens

The popular phrase go "shz happens"

But just cuz it happens doesnt necessarily mean its unpreventable...

And I honestly dont beleive there are extreme pvp junkies who will like, kill themselves if they can go without fighting for a week.

[Shaden]

Brute, the game isnt meant for drama, this is true, but its just what happens

The popular phrase go "shz happens"

But just cuz it happens doesnt necessarily mean its unpreventable...

And I honestly dont beleive there are extreme pvp junkies who will like, kill themselves if they can go without fighting for a week.

Might as well take out chatting for an entire week as well. So much gossiping on my server I'm surprised some guilds even function with the things you learn by making friends with the right people.

What will taking out PvP accomplish, honestly?

Do you hope to:
o) Actually stop threats of war, main pwnage, foul cry in abyss?
o) Actually stop "I'm better than you!" drama?

Take it out for a week, people just tell you "wait a week and you are so dead". The only positive thing I can see coming from this is the players who cry in Abyss learn that there are PvE-only zones with decent experience.

[cwistmas]

Might as well take out chatting for an entire week as well. So much gossiping on my server I'm surprised some guilds even function with the things you learn by making friends with the right people.

What will taking out PvP accomplish, honestly?

Do you hope to:
o) Actually stop threats of war, main pwnage, foul cry in abyss?
o) Actually stop "I'm better than you!" drama?

Take it out for a week, people just tell you "wait a week and you are so dead". The only positive thing I can see coming from this is the players who cry in Abyss learn that there are PvE-only zones with decent experience.

To take a break from all the madness.

[KungFuHobo]

Shade, Im hoping for neither.

Im hoping to

1) Possibly bring the game back to its old glory. There wasnt nearly as much gossipping or anything (at least anything extreme) before pvp started rising.

2) Try to stop PvP as the base means of solving a problem. What do you want to do when somebody kses you? War right? Sure if you win yayaya you "showed em" but in the end you lost an hour of time from training, so did everybody else, its a hollow victory.

3) Maybe bring some actual "Friendly" wars into affect. The main reason I see wars is probably because of a small miniwar in abyss. "Oh this guy from this guild kills me, when he sees all of our 8x's he will never touch me again"

And some other things my skatter-brain lost >_>

[Shaden]

To take a break from all the madness.

How will it stop the madness? I just explained that people are still going to say:

"Wait 1 week, once this fail patch comes off, I'm spawning you in Abyss!"
"Once this stupid patch is lifted, we are warring you nubs."
"KS me again and I'll spawn you with my main once Abyss is back."
"My main is better than you, n00b."

Haters will be haters.

[KungFuHobo]

How will it stop the madness? I just explained that people are still going to say:

"Wait 1 week, once this fail patch comes off, I'm spawning you in Abyss!"
"Once this stupid patch is lifted, we are warring you nubs."
"KS me again and I'll spawn you with my main once Abyss is back."
"My main is better than you, n00b."

Just a little pessemestic dont you think?

I mean, what would be so wrong with taking a break?

Besides, Even if there are folk who go "once the patch is lifted" do you really trust the attention span's of people in this game that much to hold a grudge that long? Really, 1 nice green or a lvl up later, and they dont care about wars...

[Shaden]

Just a little pessemestic dont you think?

I mean, what would be so wrong with taking a break?

I'm just telling you what will happen. If you honestly believe that the jerks will stop being jerks once PvP is removed, good for you. But I 'know' they won't change like that. People just do not work like that.

It may have a positive effect on the community; but you won't change the haters.

[KungFuHobo]

Thats really all I want though, a positive turn for the community as a whole.

And maybe, the community could turn the haters around in time to.

[Shaden]

And maybe, the community could turn the haters around in time to.

Will never happen. Haters will always be haters. If they can't grief you in PvP, trust me, they will find ways to grief you in PvE. You can cut the drama back some, but you are in no way ending it.

You can be nice to them, you can smile at them and compliment them - in the end, they will still be a complete jerk towards you and everyone around them.

Removing PvP also means removing the only fun things left in this game for me (and many others) since I cannot play the instance. The PvP KQ was the most fun I've had since... a long time.

[KungFuHobo]

Yea I understand pvp being fun but even the battlezone, where killing is just for play and not kill points etc, people wanna start up drama...

I know there wont be a total cutback on drama, but if at least a good part of the community turns around, innit worth it?