Helga raid schedule?

[Roseanna]

Edit: requesting to be closed by a CL, if you wanna see why, it's in all of the replies here (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146762).

[sacredknightomega]

Rwar ~

[AmazonPhoenix]

Well yes we'll go check to see if Helga is back Tuesday... however if the spawn is exact I think he'll respawn too late for us to see ;). We'll all be tucked up in bed. Well the EU lot anyway ^_^.

[karvaj]

I have a better idea, DO WHEN IM NOT SLEEPING! D:

[Kyo_Sama]

I have a better idea, DO WHEN IM NOT SLEEPING! D:

yes for the love of god, or atleast announce it in advance so i know when the hell it is.

[purpleronnie]

always check forum...there's always the date..they try to avoid shout in uruga or any town to avoid bunch of nub filling HT and training everyone..

the time difference is unavoidable..i will...be unable to join to when i start back to work x.x

[Roseanna]

One step at a time. This post and poll is about if we do a schedule, and if so, days per week. If we get past this there will be two polls... one for Asians/Europeans/etc and one for North/South Americans about time. I'd like to split it half and half, 2 weeks friendly for one part of the world and 2 weeks friendly for the other.

And the one and only reason that last raid was only announced 24 hours before... I posted it when I thought of it, I remembered Epith saying if we kill him Wednesday/Thursday he'll respawn before maintenance. I wanted to confirm if that's true. I wouldn't mind getting double the drops for the server. xD

[HeroicAce]

I think we should kill him twice a week. personally killing him has no meaning to me. we beat him three times now and its just not a big deal anymore. However i know myself and a least a dozen of people i know want his drops, and i dont think its fair that only 4 or 5 people get them. I think we should always kill him twice a week and get more drops into the game. I also dont really like the idea of a schedule though. If its the same people going, the same people tanking, then it will end up being the same people getting drops. Which doesnt solve the problem, cause in all honesty i bet not even half of us want to raid for the kill. We are all wanting drops. Thats my two cents, hope its useful.


*on a side note, i disagree with whoever is lucky enough to get the drop keep it. i think drops that are this rare and good should go to class. i wouldnt care how its done. you could just make a list of people from each class and give the first drop from that class to the first on the list and keep going till we all got one. but i think its just a mean way to make a profit by taking a wep you can use to try and earn a few gems when we all work for them but only a fraction of us is able or ever will be able to afford one.

[boyhell]

no way the dmg on hellgait weps stay the same so y kill jelga so much...cap raise is up to 105..one should think that a lvl 105 wep will do more dmg than a lvl 91 hellgait wep

[doddzy83]

i guess killing helga is a way to help cure bordom of this game in some cases

that applies to me also

[HeroicAce]

actually last i heard the helgait weps do close to the dmg as the 120 weps. also i never heard of 105 weps, unless there is a new bk something. and i know the helgait weps are better than the 100 weps. i could be wrong but thats what ive heard at least.

[Roseanna]

I also dont really like the idea of a schedule though. If its the same people going, the same people tanking, then it will end up being the same people getting drops. Which doesnt solve the problem, cause in all honesty i bet not even half of us want to raid for the kill. We are all wanting drops. Thats my two cents, hope its useful.
My only fear about not having a schedule, is that we'll end up in the shoes Epith had... everyone fighting over the spawn, it was one heck of a drama-fest. I've seen wars break out over the greenky repeat... I've seen wars over the JT repeat... I could see wars over Helga too once more people cap. We work together now, I want us to stay that way, I don't want Helga to be one more thing for us to all fight about.

*on a side note, i disagree with whoever is lucky enough to get the drop keep it. i think drops that are this rare and good should go to class.
I agree with this. If I got a bow, Leon would get it. If I got a 1h, Eldryst would get it. Etc. I don't feel that they should be sold or whatever.

you could just make a list of people from each class and give the first drop from that class to the first on the list and keep going till we all got one.
What does everyone else think about this idea? I like it.

but i think its just a mean way to make a profit by taking a wep you can use to try and earn a few gems when we all work for them but only a fraction of us is able or ever will be able to afford one.
True.

no way the dmg on hellgait weps stay the same so y kill jelga so much.
Cuz we want to? xD Even if they get nerfed, I'd still like a wand.

[King_Obito]

I like the idea about the class drops going in a list. D:

[Roseanna]

xD I'm just wondering how I'd make that list without someone feeling like it's unfair. I'd say put Leon and Eldryst on top of their classes lists, for sure. Other than that... D: alphabetical order? Crud my name starts with a T, you know how long it'd take me to get a wand? LOL.

Oh, one thing I'd say though, is that the drop should go to the first person on the list who's present at that particular raid. This way they did something involved in working for it.

[sacredknightomega]

ppl dnt have to give u the wep lol o-o greed ftw x)

[HeroicAce]

My only fear about not having a schedule, is that we'll end up in the shoes Epith had... everyone fighting over the spawn, it was one heck of a drama-fest. I've seen wars break out over the greenky repeat... I've seen wars over the JT repeat... I could see wars over Helga too once more people cap. We work together now, I want us to stay that way, I don't want Helga to be one more thing for us to all fight about.
i thought of this, and honestly i dont have an answer, but for some schedules are too constricting. maybe sometimes you just feel like grabbing 10 or so friends and go take him down. with a schedule thats hard, but without one you get wars. i really dont know what to do there.

I agree with this. If I got a bow, Leon would get it. If I got a 1h, Eldryst would get it. Etc. I don't feel that they should be sold or whatever. glad that wasnt too out there. i just think the weps should be handed out to those that earn and can use them not gathered and sold by the lucky.

P.S.

*if my idea on making a list to hand drops out works i so sign up first for a staff, and i sign leon up for a bow. he's already earned 10 in my mind :D i dont really know what eldryst wants or id sign him up as well, but what the hey put him up for the first fighter drop im sure he could always trade it if he wants something else*

[HeroicAce]

xD I'm just wondering how I'd make that list without someone feeling like it's unfair. I'd say put Leon and Eldryst on top of their classes lists, for sure. Other than that... D: alphabetical order? Crud my name starts with a T, you know how long it'd take me to get a wand? LOL.

Oh, one thing I'd say though, is that the drop should go to the first person on the list who's present at that particular raid. This way they did something involved in working for it.

just do it by those who sign up first and by those who work for them. each raid see who all is present and the highest one on the list for that drop gets it. this process will take time, its not going to happen all at once. but if we all work for it and kill him as fast as we can then its possible to get plenty of weps. you also dont have to do it by class, you could do it by wep. everybody gets one pick and are placed on the list for that wep. when they are the first in line of the present group and the wep drops its theirs. i wouldnt do alphabetical cause that pushes lots of people to the end of the line that i know work hard. *ill use wai as an example, hes a good mage and would do his part to earn a wep but hed be close to the back cause of his name* thats why i dont agree with that one. i suppose you could do it by lvl but that pushes people like me back who stopped lvling just to come to raids and have been there at every one and worked just as hard as everyone else for the kill. i dont think there is a perfect solution, but hopefully this will help you make a plan.

P.S sorry to double post but i saw your second one right after i put the first reply and i felt i had something to say about this one too.

[Roseanna]

I don't have time to make a full reply right now, but I'm thinking over ideas. :) I've gotta see if everyone even wants to do the list idea first... cuz if people don't want it, nobody will follow it anyway. I wish I could add on a second poll. Maybe once we can get people to agree on if a schedule, and if so how often... I'll make a new post about this idea with a poll, and get everyone to vote on how we'll organize the list too.

I'll reply more later when I can. :)

[bluebarrok]

i think we should have raids scheduled for all weekends; and if any guild wants to make a private raid, should PM who ever person in charge of it; i think Roseanna atm

[bluebarrok]

i think we should have raids scheduled for all weekends; and if any guild wants to make a private raid, should PM who ever person in charge of it; i think Roseanna atm

Woo Woo Ngel = genious :)

[HeroicAce]

I don't have time to make a full reply right now, but I'm thinking over ideas. :) I've gotta see if everyone even wants to do the list idea first... cuz if people don't want it, nobody will follow it anyway. I wish I could add on a second poll. Maybe once we can get people to agree on if a schedule, and if so how often... I'll make a new post about this idea with a poll, and get everyone to vote on how we'll organize the list too.

I'll reply more later when I can. :)

thats fine i never expected a full reply. im mainly just trying to throw ideas out to the people that are in positions to use them. sometimes you cant think of everything your self, so im trying to help in any way i can. if you ever need someone to bounce ideas off of im pretty good at that. i want this to work out the best way possible for everyone.

[boyhell]

a lvl 91 hellgait wep being better than a lvl 105 wep...i cant see that happening

[HeroicAce]

blues are better than greens. 70 blue better or just as good as 80 weps. oranges are higher than blue. reasons out just fine to me. go to the wiki and look at the ring of isya, youll see the difference between oranges and blues then.

[Roseanna]

I'd like to have an idea of what I'm doing schedule-wise by tomorrow, if you know of anyone interested in attending Helga raids on a regular basis and they're not forum users, please point them to this poll.

Edit: Oh, and, for the list idea... I'll make a new post with a poll. So there will be 3 more polls coming. Europe/Asia/etc. peoples voting on times for raids catered to them, North/South/etc. America people voting on times for their raids, and that. I'll have the poll options be like No, Yes - alphabetical order, Yes - signup order, Yes - pull names out of a hat, Yes - other, see my suggestion below... whatever. And I'll let people vote on how we'll do this, if we do this. So I'll take any and all suggestions here for how we could organize the list, and the pros/cons of them.

My question is... what of the people who already got a Helgait drop? My personal opinion... they should give it to the first person on the list for that weapon to be able to sign up for another one. But what if they've sold it, like Wai's hammer is for sale? Should sale of a Helgait drop make them ineligible to be on the list? Even if they sold it before this list was even created so they didn't know what they'd be doing to themselves by selling it?

[OmniXeon]

*cough* always count me in on the raids as long as its after 4 pm seeing as i have school o.o.

[Roseanna]

*nods* There'll be a poll for times tomorrow. :)

[krazyboi]

dun do it!!!
people with freak schedules that keep track of everything they do like whenb they pee r going to die D:!!!

ok i made that up but i like it random lol

[thechaz]

just keep spamming every time u can cause tbh if loads of helga weapons drop befor cap the teva server will be ahead of the other servers and make pvp more fun (especially when i use a helga xbow *wants* xD) on our server and since helga should be alot easier after the cap raises so we may aswell fill the market with helga weapons early to get it over and done with

[Roseanna]

Well, so far half and half is winning, closely followed by kill only once a week on weekends. Kill twice a week on weekdays always is failingggg. Actually it's tied with no keep Helga raids special. I didn't predict that. xD Well anyway, it's definite we're making a schedule so I'll make the time and list polls soon.

If this poll keeps going the way it is, I think we'll do half and half. That way it'll involve the most people and we only miss out on 2 spawns, that's only 4 drops a month if Helga always drops two. That's not too bad of a sacrifice to help out our weekday school/work friends.

dun do it!!!
people with freak schedules that keep track of everything they do like whenb they pee r going to die D:!!!

ok i made that up but i like it random lol
LMAO

[Roseanna]

Time polls are up. The list poll will come next when I get the time. :)

North-South America/etc. time poll (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146624)
Europe/Asia/etc. time poll (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=146623)

[Roseanna]

Bringing this over from one of the time polls...

personally, tempy, i think i would do 8 different options per month... give weekend to US every other week (with the weekday being given to the EU), weekend to EU on the opposite weeks (vice versa). Mornings only for two weeks in a row, evenings the other two weeks... that way it should cater to just about everyone's schedule at SOME point during SOME week of the month.

I can join almost anything, so if you find you need/want a cleric just use my MSN, or if I'm in game, /w me ^^
This sounds kinda like my idea in the original post?


Week 1: Wednesday/Monday Europe-friendly-time
Week 2: Saturday North-America-friendly time
Week 3: Thursday/Tuesday North-America-friendly time
Week 4: Sunday Europe-friendly-time

Helga has a long spawn time... if there's a weekday raid he won't respawn in time for a weekend raid. Also, I can't mix morning/evening in one week. If we kill him at 3pm OST on Thusday, he should respawn at 3pm OST on Tuesday and then we have to get him down before maintenance. (We'll know more on this for sure on Tuesday when we check his respawn, he should show up around 3:30-4pm OST.) Granted, if we wanted to, we could do an evening Wednesday raid and a morning Tuesday raid if people really wanted to do that. But I think it's just easier to have one week EU time one week USA time, rather than trying to mix them.

Anyway, yeah, I'll definitely poke you for raids on MSN. :) I'm sleepy, so if I missed your point, or anything that you said, please do let me know. xD

[A_Dark_Sprite]

okees... so really, unless the server resets the spawns when it goes down on tuesday, your suggestion almost maxes the number of times we can do the raid...
cept you can also look at it this way...
week 1 monday and saturday
week 2 thursday
week 3 tuesday and sunday
week 4 friday an wednesday

now, honestly idk, but after some thought, i think that it would be wrong to split them into AM/EU. Just split it by times... cos there are people from either continent who are up at odd hours because of unusual work schedules, insomnia, or just plain night owls (*cough* me).... and it would be just as wrong to tell them that they're from the wrong place, since we fought hard to be able to keep our EU friends on Outspark. If we work out the hours so that they're even, pretty much then the schedule of days can just be maxed and people can fill up by signing in on forums.

[A_Dark_Sprite]

i think everything should be rotated... idc about times myself, as long as i find one to suit me ^^ (i like the idea that anyone who wants to can have a good time to sign up ^^)

[Roseanna]

okees... so really, unless the server resets the spawns when it goes down on tuesday
Yes it does.

week 1 monday and saturday
week 2 thursday
week 3 tuesday and sunday
week 4 friday an wednesday
It's kind of easier for me to consider one week as maintenance to maintenance, I dunno why. But this idea is a valid one so if anyone has thoughts/ideas/comments/suggestions/whatever on it, please do speak up. :)

now, honestly idk, but after some thought, i think that it would be wrong to split them into AM/EU. Just split it by times...
I'm not saying only Americans/only Europeans could go. I made two polls because I wanted to hear from both sides of the world seperately. I didn't want Americans over-riding Europeans on the times chosen, as usually happens. I wanted people on one side of the world to tell me their preference, and the others to tell me their preference in a seperate place.

[Ian]

Closed as per request by OP. :)