How to build a perfect Scout?

[kikichiyo]

Ok I'm starting ANOTHER new character (Scout obviously) And I wanna know what the best way to build her from neo

[numb_1986]

there is actually no such thing as best build to be frank.

it depends on what u like most. whether u r comfortable with it or not..u can refer to the guide in this forum made by those top players.

normal build will be (after neo-age) is pow/men or pow/men/agi.

if neo all the way agi of course ^^

[sweet-devil]

not agi , agi gives u the speed to hit monsters with normal attacks (not spam skills fast)

the best build is pow/men , and if u like to spam skills fast , u shulde put 30 points on men when u first change to scout , and the rest in pow untill 96 , then u shulde start to think to put some points on agi >.>

but men wont work if it is more than 30-32 point ...

[xNinja503]

not agi , agi gives u the speed to hit monsters with normal attacks (not spam skills fast)

the best build is pow/men , and if u like to spam skills fast , u shulde put 30 points on men when u first change to scout , and the rest in pow untill 96 , then u shulde start to think to put some points on agi >.>

but men wont work if it is more than 30-32 point ...

AGI does increase skill speed it just takes more than men to notice

[sweet-devil]

didnt notice it , but i dont think agi is that good for scouts/archers

[numb_1986]

AGI does increase skill speed it just takes more than men to notice

like wat xNinja503 said, yes it does.

actually it depends if u like agi or not. it's all boils down to personal preference. one man's meat is another man's poison..if u get wat i mean.

im giving kikichiyo alternatives on builds. i just dun wan lead him/her to something everyone is playing.

i will post the link to trente build for archers and different builds in it. let me find for it then i'll post it here.

according to some archers, right after changing to scout, put 10-15 points into Men (10 is better like wat i did and i love it). after tht the rest into pow. adding Men every 5th and 10th lvl or according to your liking after that.

here's the link : http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56571

Quote from trente in the link :
Pow/Men/Agi= This build for scouts means that the scout will be attacking much less than other scouts because of the extra points in men and agi. They have a higher critical rate, skill casting rate, and normal shooting rate than full power scouts but do a significantly less amount of damage because of the amount of points needed to increase any of the stats affected by agi and men that aren't going into pow. Still, because of it's balance of 3 stats, it's popular.

thanks ^^ proved ^_^Y

[sweet-devil]

yeah some archer told me to put like 15-20 (or 30 , it depends on the player) men , but uhm i think putting like 20 points on men when u change to scout is better , and the rest in pow , and put men like every 2 or 3 lvls untill the men reachs 30-32

but u are right though

but my build is :
(lvl 49)

23-25 power
like 1-4 agility
30 mental

[tazsbigtoy]

Most that do the pow/men/agi build don't add agi until after level 80. The agi adds to attack, although not quite as much as pow. It also adds to some of the same stats as men although at a lower rate per point. The main reason though is the increase in dodge comes in handy soloing on the high level maps.

[sweet-devil]

thats what i said , u shulde be think on putting agi after lvl 96

[numb_1986]

my build was like 11 men (click too fast and added extra 1 men right after change :p) and the rest pow. crit is not that much but yeah i love the weight carry ;p. thou it was like lvl 46 or 48 not sure..

add agi ONLY if u are comfortable with ur current atk and crits. however (from observation only thou), if u can master bram usage, u can lvl without the help of agi <--- mayb lolz

anyway, enjoy reading trente guide. it's one of the most complete guide for archers/scouts out there ^^

[sweet-devil]

im leveling up without agi , and i like it O.o
and its writtin in trente guide btw >.> agi only increases normal attack speed and some pow , and i dont know if it increases anything else , but all i know is that agi isnt neccesery for scouts/archers

[numb_1986]

agi increases dodge too (but not as much as neo/rogues lolz). if u have to run back too much or u loves to lvl at high lvl place solo, agi could save u alot of times.

well, cant compare cos i like dodge..nuuuu i LOVE dodge XD

personal preference - pow/men/agi (but im not playing scout at the moment so only future can tell) XD

[sweet-devil]

let the scouts talk xD

still , there is somehing called HP potion >.>

evin trente himself said that pow/men/agi build isnt that good =\

but as u said , every1 have his own opinion

[sweet-devil]

grats for mage btw >:D

[numb_1986]

let the scouts talk xD

still , there is somehing called HP potion >.>

evin trente himself said that pow/men/agi build isnt that good =\

but as u said , every1 have his own opinion

right! *looking at sakura, trente and other high lvl archers to reply* dun forget sc pots FTW (if u have real cash to spend hehe)

grats for mage btw >:D

thanks..but mage is easy to lvl to 66 cos can easy solo high lvl map. only after that sux cos spam mp like water (off topic : ur siggy said u quit? nuuuuuuu T.T)

[sweet-devil]

for a while lol >.> but im downloading sos now >;D

[numb_1986]

for a while lol >.> but im downloading sos now >;D

ohh ok! right..enough of replies cos i think we going off topic..

okok now back to main topic what is better for a scout (build wise) ^^ enjoy debating on opinions XD *back to surfing neo's topic

[Jackieliu]

no fighting..
higher lvl archer should add some agi...around 30-40...trust me...they will come in handy

[bearbugs010]

Well, Mentality adds Skill Critical, Critical, Dodge & it increases the skill casting speed...
It takes like 3 Agi to add 1 dodge & about 4 Men to add 1 dodge....
In skill critical addition, It takes like 6 Agi to add one Skill crit & about 2 to 3 men to add skill crit..
This stats has their own disadvantages... but this disadvantages will make make your build balanced....


FOR ME, I prefer POW/MEN build for faster lvling

[Mikitan]

I would have to agree with the rest; Don't add AGI until after you've reach a comfortable place with your current damage output + skill cast rate.

My personal build is POW/MEN at the moment. I have dipped into AGI just a little bit, but I'm pretty close to getting Archer - so the points I'll get before then, I'll just add back to Pow/Men. Also having the Peyshan bracelets helps too. I've got three and they help to add onto the AGI for the needed dodge. ^^

Also another tip; Invest in a good bow! The scout class got it good when it comes to weapons, and they're not too terribly hard to find if you're patient enough. This will also affect how you play as well. A good bow means harder hits added on top of your build. So get a good one! ^^

[AzNRuthLess]

For starters...

When you turn scout, dont even bother with agi just yet. Agi will only degrade you in everything you can do as a scout. Sad to say, but yes its true. At early stages of scouthood, Agi will only hold you back.

BUT...for those who are interested in a hybrid build, agi is awesome at higher lvls. Sure it wont do much in the early stages of scouthood, but when you get into higher lvls of archerhood, and rangerhood (lame how i used hood after each one >_<) but back to my point.

As i tell all the scouts who question me ingame, about agi. i'll give the same answer here. Don't bother with agi, until you are an archer (80+). By then, you should have sufficient pow for good dmg, and enough men for decent skill spam speed. At that stage, if you'd like to add agi, go for it. its good.

From my personal experience, Pow/Men and Pow/Agi/Men, both have its advantages and disadvantages in pvp, and in actual maps. Experiment, learn, and have fun. its the only true way to do it.

[D-Styles]

from my experiences, i wouldnt bother with agi until you are at least wielding a Continuum bow, putting agi as a new archer will only slow your pace down a lot when you are grinding (especially since archers can grind in places deemed more difficult to them).

Save up the points until your build can be flexible with them.

[MrBlueberry]

haha yup.
i completly agree with DJ, dun go for agil til you are alteast lvl 96+
also, adding 10mental is a waste if you are going to add mental at the first change to scout add 9 or 12, since your skill speed is increased by 1 at incriments of 3mental. 3men = 1 skill speed
I also say DO NOT add 30 mental at lvl 36 or so, unless you have a mask/bell for attack purpose, you will hit significally less than scouts your lvl if you do. Pow/Men or Pow/Men/Agil is really up the player.
and Dodge?! Doesnt matter if oyu have 100 agil, our dodge will never be "miss miss miss" although i get a lot of misses, and i barely have in dodge. So do not add agil if you want dodge >.>;
as stated before, add about 15 mental at first change to scout. Then add mental every 5 lvls, til 30 or 32 mental.

[sweet-devil]

ur right blue <.< i dont know who told me to put 30 men when i change to scout xD

[ranger4841]

im gona be scout should i raise my power now since my agi is higher than power??

[numb_1986]

means u stil neo right? neo just add agi only. when u hit 45 to change to scout, u get a full stat reset

[sedfvgt]

pow/men, full pow, and pow/men/agi are widely used but the build most used by the top archers are....
pow/men/agi, but thats of course after they are like lvl 80+ infering from wat i hear (about archer builds) in PvP, and my big bro's frends. The main goal of several archers are to have 32 men, 24 agi and the rest pow. I analzed this and concluded that 32 men is very useful since fast long range attacks are what the archer class is most famous for, however from experiments by several players in CBT and the opening months of SotS adding men beyond 32 is useless. (im not saying i was there, im saying i did my research and stuff and found some threads about men) Therefore, adding 24 agi gives more speed and players can benefit from the added damage given. Of course adding the rest to pow is common sense...

[AmrothRumil]

One thing about Agi that comes to my mind is that it gives you a good dodge rate, so you spend less pots on healing yourself. I have a good amount of Agi and gives an extra boost in running speed as will. I can solo longer than some folks out there because my scout has better chances of dodging attacks that does massive damage [x.x'] which helps me grind for a longer period of time [^_^]

[TRXSTA]

AGI doesn't help movement speed, as Nero - who is going to come in at any second and moan about how nobody gets these kinds of things no matter how much he tells people - will tell you. o_O

Also, two things. More points in AGI and less in POW makes you hit for less which means you need more MP pots. And any good scout/archer/ranger will use way more MP pots than HP pots while grinding. Second, actually getting hit less will help you... get hit less. Try it.

[ChaosAD]

AGI doesn't help movement speed, as Nero - who is going to come in at any second and moan about how nobody gets these kinds of things no matter how much he tells people - will tell you. o_O

Also, two things. More points in AGI and less in POW makes you hit for less which means you need more MP pots. And any good scout/archer/ranger will use way more MP pots than HP pots while grinding. Second, actually getting hit less will help you... get hit less. Try it.

Lmao you're right. I was just about to quote the guy above you and say "For the millionth freakin time...Agi does NOT add to movement speed!!!" Why people STILL think it does is beyond me.

I think they're like "Omg that Rogue/Assassin is running soooo fast! It must be their 100+ Agi!!" Ever heard of the skill Rapid Step? >_>;; Freakin hell.

As for the topic itself. I have a lvl 59 Scout and its going great so far. I tried to balance out the stats so i would neither be too weak or too slow. I started with 8 MEN at lvl 45 and the rest to Pow. By the time i got my lvl 54 bow i made sure i got 16 MEN. Now since i have the Red Bell and the lvl 9 Attack pet buff, my damage is through the roof. The next few levels i will keep adding points to MEN until i have 30. It may sound like a lot but when you have +33 extra attack from bell+buff who gives a rat's furry @ss xD

[aznii]

What are your starting starts when you first change to a scout? And then what are the available points you can put in other stats?

[wardomic]

Starting Scout Stats:
Pow = 9
Agi = 9
Sta = 3
Men = 1
Wis = 1
Int = 1

If you change at lvl 45 you should have 40 points to use in whatever way you want. It is NOT recomened to put any into Int, Wis, or Sta. Instead you should look around this archer section for recomendations then decide what kind of build you want to use. Most archers would recomend a Pow/Men build, me personally i would recomend an Agi based build with minimal starting men and enough pow for a decent weight capacity.

29 or 32 pow
8 Men
Rest agi

OR

8 Men
24 agi
rest pow til you get your next bow then to pure agi

Well i gave my recomendations, look around, ask people here and there and good luck

[duckyviet4life]

My scout was level 47 had 10 MEN 9+1 AGI = 1.2attackspeed
When I leveled I accidently raised AGI, AGI 10 MEN 10+1 AGI = 1.6attackspeed
Is normal? ._.

[jrgoofy]

You are probably carrying to many items with you when your wt is blinking red your attack speed increases(time wise). That's the only thing i can think of right now cause it's not normal for attack speed to increase(time wise) when u add more agi.

[duckyviet4life]

._.; Yup, you're right, thanks for your time...