How the >.<!??

[erizo]

Well... i went to a pvp and just saw this...

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I though there was no more mosnters to kill after lvl 25 or so, >.< how did they got soo high?

[darkest_mage]

mentii abuse. its so unfair and outspark is doing nothing. everyone else is still in their 20s while these 2 are gonna end up being like lvl 60 before the new maps come out.. i can see the future now.. everyone having to leave the pvp rooms cause these 2 will make the game unfair 1 hitting everyone and taking 0 dmg... outspark is such a backward as company. stop bullshting and open the damn maps... you guys are so quick to open the freakin item mall.

[nsstrunks]

A lot of the highest level players have a large amount of mentees (hundreds), and they gain their EXP that way.

The highest level player I knew of that was actually grinding to gain levels was around 33.

[darkest_mage]

not only that they both probably got some 1337 win ratio cause i never see them in standard rooms... they go to ultimate rooms and 1 hit everyone...

[Alagond]

I don't see how you could grind to 33 on balderan mobs Nsstrunks. I'm only getting about 150 exp from the highest exp mobs *not bosses* and I'm not even close to 33. Surely by then you'll get 1 exp per mob...

[justindz]

They group with people up to 5 levels lower and get a portion of the xp. This allows you to get 30s, 50s, etc. instead of 1. Then you just one-hit everything. Some of them would party up lower level people while they slept and keep killing all night.

[blooleopaco2]

Nameless is just a Menti Abuser.
He is like another Micheal Jackson. =| — What?You do know its VERY Relevant.

Sept?iDon'tKnow.So,iCan't speak about/towards him/her.

[Madcharo]

Ok...

1) They don't 1 hit everyone. They actually take quite a few hits to kill my level 25 Warrior.

2) Just because they're high leveled, doesnt mean they're good. I hate to brag but I almost defeated the monk 1 on 1.

3) Who cares? So they're a higher level than everyone els.? Good for them. Is it affecting you in any way? No.

4) In STD matches, they're just like everyone else. Since the 2nd class chage isn't out, they only have the skills of players under level 30. Nothing out of the ordinary here.

[nsstrunks]

I don't see how you could grind to 33 on balderan mobs Nsstrunks. I'm only getting about 150 exp from the highest exp mobs *not bosses* and I'm not even close to 33. Surely by then you'll get 1 exp per mob...
Explained very well by justindz here \/
They group with people up to 5 levels lower and get a portion of the xp. This allows you to get 30s, 50s, etc. instead of 1. Then you just one-hit everything. Some of them would party up lower level people while they slept and keep killing all night.

[nate_]

I don't see how you could grind to 33 on balderan mobs Nsstrunks. I'm only getting about 150 exp from the highest exp mobs *not bosses* and I'm not even close to 33. Surely by then you'll get 1 exp per mob...

i got to level 33 without mentis and ive got like 50k exp from mentis total so i dont really care if they take my 50k exp away... doesnt make much difference to me if they take it away...

if they take it away from nameless and light and all those other menti-abusers (no offence nameless or light) they would lose probably 50m or something exp

[blooleopaco2]

They need put a limit on the Menti List,seriously.

They're abusing it like if its some kind of Drug.

[nsstrunks]

A limit to the number of mentees would be great, the same way they limit the friends list.

[marveri]

They Be Pros. Deal with it. :cool:

[blooleopaco2]

They Be Pros. Deal with it. :cool:
"Pro"?Is an opinion.
Either way,they abuse/misuse Mentis. — You must be a "Pro" to trick novices into thinking that.
PFFFT..

[ChorChor]

Thru grinding, the highest level you prolly reach would be 36-37 =/
i stopped @ 36 in steel cliff

imo, Mentorship as said is suppose to be a win-win situation. The initial uproar for mentees were spamming. spamming would be wrong =/

If a someone become a mentor and REALLY guide/teach and help them, it should be deserving of those to get exp. i understand some ppl still spam and only teach about the 20% exp thing.

fellow mentors, do ya parts than just enquiring them to be your student if you really do mentor them, do it right =)

[sportadic22]

ya they need to lower the mentor system,,, or change it completely.

ive seen nameless in the first area of the whole entire game..just tlking to ever new person that comes in..and get thems as a mentii just because the new person has nooo idea what is going on..

Its BULL
like ya having some is ok.. but put a limit.
i mean i HIGHLY doubt like nameless HELPS all 100 or whatever of his fallowers haha lol... i doubt it

i have 3 mentis.. and use to help them on a daily basis

AND RAISE THE FRIEND LIST LIMIT :-).

do it the real way, dont take advanatage.

[nsstrunks]

I heard nameless has around 400 mentees :P And I agree that it's not really feasible that he helps every single one of them. Light also has a ton with around 200 people under his wing.

There should be a cap of like 20 mentees or something, there's no real need to have any more than that. If all 20 people ask the mentors questions, he/she would be flooded with trying to answer them all.

[justindz]

I don't think a cap is necessary. I used to play a very, very old MMO which used a patron/vassal system that exchanged pass-up xp and rank for assistance of various sorts. You could have as many people as you could get to join you. However, as the game matured, people figured out that their xp was worth a lot and they would break and find new mentors who could actually help them out (setting aside that, for the moment, breaking is dumb because you may permanently lose access to the xp boost, see related thread).

I think most of these people will either stop playing or start wanting some recompense. Of course, the game does not seem overly complex so the weak point might be that there's just not that much players will need from a mentor and they will keep the person added just for that 20% bonus.

[djflip]

actualy, i've seen one player (i think it was a GM though) as a beast master...jus saying...i agree with all tht u sed though

[ChorChor]

actualy, i've seen one player (i think it was a GM though) as a beast master...jus saying...i agree with all tht u sed though

haha i know who but he isn't a GM =)

lol nsstrunks, u freaking stalker =p
yeah i have a lot, i get like a average of 8 mentees online at a time, and half of them are 'graduated' (yeah, they are all very friendly), so making sure 3-4 new mentees at a time shouldn't be much a prob

Guiding their starting path, making sure they go the right statbuild, bringing them to the place they need to be, whispering to check on them, teach them stuffs they don't know about. The main thing would be 'teach them how to fish and not give them fishes'.

Never give $, teach them how to gain $ fast
Never give 'wsp item', teach them to compete in pvp
Never help them completely in their quests, go tag along with them and kill together to collect the stuff =D

[Alagond]

^
See. That's what mentors should strive to do ^-^. I've managed to do all that easily with up to 8 mentees online at a time. IF you devote all your online time to helping mentees, it's not hard to keep up with everything.

[ci3nnn]

guys, there was a similar forum to this before, and the community leader has already spoken to the GMs, ,or whoever is in control, so all we can do is just and see the results.

[cerefear]

Nameless is just a Menti Abuser.
He is like another Micheal Jackson. =| — What?You do know its VERY Relevant.

Sept?iDon'tKnow.So,iCan't speak about/towards him/her.

You're such a hypocrite calling me an abuser yet you're spamming all over the place. (If you're PyroMage If not I'm sorry.)

I actually stopped grinding at level 31 and 50% when the exp was really bad which was when I started getting menti.

Nate I would only lose about 6m exp since it doesn't take 1m per level.

As light and the others said I've actually helped everyone of my Menti if they ask for it. I've answered every question they have when they pm me if I'm not afk. I help them with quest items if I know its hard for them to get on their own. I just don't give em money or the advance class license I tell em to farm low level monsters for money and tricks to winning in PvP.

[justindz]

Part of my point, and something that I think Nameless has kind of demonstrated, is that there is not much going on that you can help a new player with other than give them stuff or answer questions and help practice PvP. Twinking is awkward at best, gear is level restricted and there's not really a whole lot to advise about.

[Averis]

Well, you are quite or were quite the spammer. You only go to ULTM fights and you really probably have no skill in PvP at all and would get mopped up by other players. The fact that you probably afk all day and just recruit people to level yourself is the only way you leveled. September at least participates in all fights and he does not 1 shot everyone. If outspark was going to fix anything they would really have to nerf your *** big time. I'd support it 100%. But what's the use of your high levels when you still suck in PvP? Lol, not a damn thing. So continue leveling off of noobs and recruiting just because you 2 shot people in ULTM doesn't make you uber. Makes you weaker, skillwise. Sadly, something you may never or hardly will ever have.

- Averis

[blooleopaco2]

You're such a hypocrite calling me an abuser yet you're spamming all over the place. (If you're PyroMage If not I'm sorry.)

I actually stopped grinding at level 31 and 50% when the exp was really bad which was when I started getting menti.

Nate I would only lose about 6m exp since it doesn't take 1m per level.

As light and the others said I've actually helped everyone of my Menti if they ask for it. I've answered every question they have when they pm me if I'm not afk. I help them with quest items if I know its hard for them to get on their own. I just don't give em money or the advance class license I tell em to farm low level monsters for money and tricks to winning in PvP.
I'm not PyroMage.
In fact,iHaven't even done my first job/class yet,lol.

Also,iKnow one of your Mentis.
You didn't help him so well.In the end,he took you off as a Mentor.
iHad other Mentis of your's.
Tell me almost exactly this,"Nameless doesn't even help me.He just leeches off of me and stays in PvP all day." — Had that statement from 4-5 of your Mentis.No,idon't have a ScreenShot but when iDo come across one of'em and/or they do say it and iMay use the ScreenShot with their permission.I'll show you,matey. =D

[cerefear]

Well, you are quite or were quite the spammer. You only go to ULTM fights and you really probably have no skill in PvP at all and would get mopped up by other players. The fact that you probably afk all day and just recruit people to level yourself is the only way you leveled. September at least participates in all fights and he does not 1 shot everyone. If outspark was going to fix anything they would really have to nerf your *** big time. I'd support it 100%. But what's the use of your high levels when you still suck in PvP? Lol, not a damn thing. So continue leveling off of noobs and recruiting just because you 2 shot people in ULTM doesn't make you uber. Makes you weaker, skillwise. Sadly, something you may never or hardly will ever have.

- Averis

I've never said I'm skilled at PVP and I admit I'm really bad at it. And since I've got my way up to that level why not use it in Ultm matches? I don't force people to go into those rooms and I can't force em to stay. What does my PvP skill have anything to do with my level anyways?

Yes, I used to spam the first 2 days of mentoring people. But I also told people how to blacklist me.

Yup, recruiting menti is the only way to level in the game right now besides grinding 1 exp at a time so why not?

I agree 2 shotting people in ULTM room doesn't make me Uber and from what you said I should be the only one to be nerf because I used the mentor system more then others?

I'm not PyroMage.
In fact,iHaven't even done my first job/class yet,lol.

Ah, I'm sorry again and I just figured you were him since you posted the conversation we had yesterday with GM Rider.

Anyways If you said you can't comment on September because you dont know him then how do you know me?

[Averis]

I've never said I'm skilled at PVP and I admit I'm really bad at it. And since I've got my way up to that level why not use it in Ultm matches? I don't force people to go into those rooms and I can't force em to stay. What does my PvP skill have anything to do with my level anyways?

Yes, I used to spam the first 2 days of mentoring people. But I also told people how to blacklist me.

Yup, recruiting menti is the only way to level in the game right now besides grinding 1 exp at a time so why not?

I agree 2 shotting people in ULTM room doesn't make me Uber and from what you said I should be the only one to be nerf because I used the mentor system more then others?



Ah, I'm sorry again and I just figured you were him since you posted the conversation we had yesterday with GM Rider.

Anyways If you said you can't comment on September because you dont know him then how do you know me?

Then there you have it. You're just a terrible spamming noob that only levels off of menti's and waits for some idiot to make an ULTM match so you can bash them. Well at least you admitted to being a complete retard and a terrible PvPer. Which means your PvP record is flawed and ****. Excuse the langauge but, the truth is the truth. Sad very sad, At least make an effort to get better lol. That's really the only that bothers me, other that you're just pretty much all of everything I've stated in the comments above. so you're bad. baddies belong in the trash.

[girlygirljune]

wow guys grow up..
seriously

[Grizantir]

Sorry to interrupt this little conversation, but the way I see it is this. I don't blame Nameless for what he is doing. The only reason peoples dislike him is because he managed to exploit/use/take advantage of an ingame system before anyone else could and because of it he has prospered from it. We can't do much of anything. The only other reason you could have for hating him is his attitude, but again thats debateable. So, anyway. Yes, the mentoring system is their and some people have taken advantage of it. You can't blame them for doing so. If not Nameless then someone else. It's just a way of life. Once again I am neutral in this all and I just want to say that it is what it is. We should move on.

[justindz]

The blame should go to whoever conceived the current mentor system. No limit to number of mentis, bypasses the soft limit on levels placed by the closed maps, currently permanently handicaps anyone who moves past novice without a mentor. If you want to get upset at someone (ill advised, given how pointless this whole thing is in the grand scheme of life and human ambition), get upset at the flaws. Nameless isn't even exploiting them. That would imply that he is working around some limitation, which is not the case.

[Grizantir]

Exactly, so technically we shouldn't be getting upset at Nameless since he didn't create the system, but rather at the developers. I guess the only real possible solution to this is fix the flaws involved with the system which would be hard. I don't think rollback is the answer.

[septembers]

Haters make me famous,

[ChorChor]

i hate you septy =.=

[septembers]

i hate you septy =.=


Lol, alot of people are complaning due to our levels, I mean I did actually grind aaalllooot, I almost spent 11 hours getting to 33,

Like what am I suppose to do?

Grind for 20 exp and 1 exp?

or

help beginners, for 100 exp, ?

[justindz]

Exactly, so technically we shouldn't be getting upset at Nameless since he didn't create the system, but rather at the developers. I guess the only real possible solution to this is fix the flaws involved with the system which would be hard. I don't think rollback is the answer.

Yeah, rollback would pretty much kill the game at this point. No one in their right mind wants to kill another Scrap Iron Golem for as long as they live.

You also can't cap at 30 or whatever, because people have managed to go beyond 30 without mentis (or at least with a small handful within any reasonable proposed limit). You could maybe cap at 40 or something, but the damage is really done and since it wasn't an exploit it shouldn't be punished. Plus, when new maps come out in 2012, Nameless will either be skipping content, which makes the game seem shorter, or playing it anyway at a huge xp reduction due to his already high level. So it's not without drawbacks if you think from a non-competitive, personal enjoyment stance. Or, at least until you factor in multiple characters.

[Grizantir]

Yeah, rollback would pretty much kill the game at this point. No one in their right mind wants to kill another Scrap Iron Golem for as long as they live.

You also can't cap at 30 or whatever, because people have managed to go beyond 30 without mentis (or at least with a small handful within any reasonable proposed limit). You could maybe cap at 40 or something, but the damage is really done and since it wasn't an exploit it shouldn't be punished. Plus, when new maps come out in 2012, Nameless will either be skipping content, which makes the game seem shorter, or playing it anyway at a huge xp reduction due to his already high level. So it's not without drawbacks if you think from a non-competitive, personal enjoyment stance. Or, at least until you factor in multiple characters.

Very true. My perception on this so called situation is this. When we look at the "greater picture" in terms of the game as a whole. In a few months the game will become more populated and the small number of people who have taken advantage of this will be irrelevant in terms of exp/leveling.


On top of that as soon as new maps come out then their will be nothing from stopping people on catching up in those levels. The only possible "pro" to being level 35 + right now is the fact that their will be less competition in maps where monsters are blue. Other then that fact is fact you pretty much rushed through 40% of the game with 15% of content. Kudos? Perhaps, but its opinionated. Anyway, that sums it up.

[cerefear]

Actually I wasnt the first one to take advantage of the mentor system I was just the one to spam it and became known for doing so.

Also its true I actually kinda welcome a roll back at this point because i've missed every quest from Amakusa already and I'm scared of losing my 2nd job quest. I might even have to beg to be rolled back.

[justindz]

When you ask, ask to have your level and xp set. Just in case they, like most DBAs, think rollback means to a prior state. You know, where you'd lose all your swank gear and WSP ;-)

[TriGoon]

Anybody with any mentee xp at all should have it all taken away, period, due to the mentor system bug. And don't say "oh of coarse he says that, he don't care", i've gained 2 1/2 lvls so far due to mentors, but i actually help/dont spam/don't have alot, i just help them lvl high so i get alot off each one.

Anyone over 10 with a mentor should have it stripped of them. (so they lose the 20% bonus) Otherwise everyone without a mentor over 10 HAS to restart to have a remote chance of keeping up in levels with everyone else.

Mentee list doesn't have to be capped if over ten = loses mentor like it SHOULD be. Spamming mentor will get u a bit of experience, but not ****loads like now. That would be fine.

I reported the bug/abusers over a week ago, so hopefully something is done.

I'm currently on vacation, if this isn't fixed/something done about it by the time new maps come out, I won't bother continueing. (like anybody cares lol) The pvp may be fun in STD still, but I enjoy kinda staying with the pack, and bugs like this kinda ruin that experience.

[gutoku]

nameless jsut didnt want to wait for maps and didnt like the mind numbing grinage, what he didnt make the mentis join him nor is he keeping them form leaving he helps them and enjoys ult 0_o jealousy cause you didnt think of it first?

[blooleopaco2]

I've never said I'm skilled at PVP and I admit I'm really bad at it. And since I've got my way up to that level why not use it in Ultm matches? I don't force people to go into those rooms and I can't force em to stay. What does my PvP skill have anything to do with my level anyways?

Yes, I used to spam the first 2 days of mentoring people. But I also told people how to blacklist me.

Yup, recruiting menti is the only way to level in the game right now besides grinding 1 exp at a time so why not?

I agree 2 shotting people in ULTM room doesn't make me Uber and from what you said I should be the only one to be nerf because I used the mentor system more then others?



Ah, I'm sorry again and I just figured you were him since you posted the conversation we had yesterday with GM Rider.

Anyways If you said you can't comment on September because you dont know him then how do you know me?
iFirst heard of you from Mentis.
iLater on seen you in PvPing.
OverAll,I'm basically known in the Novice PvP.

[davisf18]

That is enough.

This thread has gotten out of hand. Why don't all of you take a step back and re-read this thread. Was it nessecary to say the things you've said? What did it prove? How much better do you feel about yourselves?

The Mentor System has been discussed and will be further discussed by Outspark staff. It has been abused and I think a cap is the best way to go. This game is supposed to be fun, but that would be just too much for some of you.

Anymore threads that involve BLACK LISTING other players about the Mentor System will be closed immeadiatly. You all need to take 5 minutes and read the ToS (Terms of Service) and understand what Black listing is and other rules that you AGREED to once you logged in the forums your very first time.

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