Warning!!! Would they be a wipe after it ends?

[almona]

I have come to like this game enough that i am trying to lvl as much as possible to test all of the skill scrolls for Rogue the class that i like and since some of us are doing the same wouldn't you like to know if they are going to be a wipe or not after i heard that it happened in Fiesta so after all the hard work we accomplished goes to waste. so i speak for all of the players that are exploring each area of the game that we would like to know if such thing is going to happen?

Rogue ElPerro LV 29

[raikoken]

i would want to no my friend and i were talking about this excat subject in game yesterday

[Advents]

Closed Beta= Testing Phase, of course you arnt going to be able to keep what you earned. Your just there to find bugs and report them not to earn anything to keep. Open Beta also gets wiped once the game goes official.

Steps of a game

Closed Beta- Limited players go in to test the game. (WIPED IN THE END)

Open Beta- Open to all players to add/test new patches and fix bugs (WIPED IN THE END)

Official- Game opens (SHOULDNT BE ANY WIPES) unless something messes up. But basically does the same thing as OB, new patches to add stuff.

[raikoken]

but in fiesta y are there "closed beta testers" as titles

[Advents]

Ive never seen that title, but people were able to keep thier accounts from CB, Not thier chars or anything they earned. The title may just be there to let people know the person played CB, thats it.

[raikoken]

ok if thats so im asking rider in game

[lplove]

I was thinking about this too. But I guess that I was too optimistic...

Well then, no more point to play. Since I played a bloody rogue, and playing a rogue is the hardest of all the classes, I now quit... probably until it hits official...or until the mods decide to keep everything...or at least my account.

[Advents]

Well your playing to TEST the game.
Find some bugs and glitches for the dev's to fix.

Thats the point to play any CB. Your helping the gaming community so certain people dont find a bug and abuse it later on.

[lplove]

Your helping the gaming community so certain people dont find a bug and abuse it later on.

...Which most players don't report but abuse themselves, and in most cases keep it discreet.

[Advents]

Thats true, I wont argue lol.

But dont stop testing, maybe youll get something for being a dedicated CB like bonus cash shop points when it comes out. You never know what they'll do for people who helped.

[titanmax1]

there will not be a wipe at the end of open beta one of the GM's told us tht in the beginning

[lplove]

I've wasted approximately 34 hours of my life on this. That's 1/6 of all the time I've spent playing on my PS2 games until my memory card found herself in a blind date with the grim reaper. Want me to tell you how devastated I was? That's 200 hours out of 8,765.81277 in a year I will NEVER regain. Life goes on. I'm incredibly and admirably calm, never mad, upset or resent someone or something. Which is why I felt no grief over those lost 200 hours. Same thing with these (approx) 34 hours.
Guess I'll be spending most of my time conversing in town-square with random people...
I'm just...disappointed. I mean, why is it an obligation to wipe all the characters from the CBT?

[almona]

well we all like rewards..... but we are losing a hard working leveled job in which we would be able to tell later on in how to modify it to make it better by spreading our learning experience in which it would help everyone who is going to play this game. lol so that means all of that money i have acquired by selling is for nothing lol oh man... that is a big way of loosing some interest of playing the game because we are the people who are getting the maximun experience of the game and to be able to lose it in a quick way.....

[Cadexn]

once again, its closed beta phase, where players are STRICTLY assigned to TEST the game, not to seriously play it for achievements.

people that think "waste of effort, time,etc" are bound to appear. selling items, leveling up, doing emoticons, buying items, setting up shops, questings, are all part of closed beta test phase to test for bugs and errors.

so if you guys think you wasted your time, or effort. i'm sorry for you guys but to say that at least you've played the game.

(to be more harsh, thinking that you wasted y our time and effort playing this game when theres gonna be a wipe. you've wasted your time playing in front of the computer instead of going for jobs and earning money :P)

[lplove]

The question at stake here is 'why' in god's name is it necessary to wipe the server? Everything works, a bug is found, fixed, and you can go about thy merry way. The CBT server is good because there are not a great many people present and therefore the consequences are not so dire, few people suffer from it, and those who do, are easily compensated. Thus, I conclude my theory (for now) concerning the in-depth death of everything in the server after the wipe.

[Keniten]

ACTUALLY, There are some games where they keep them...And They haven't announced anything...so...I guess we'll wait until we get an answer from a gm...But overall..This game is fun :D DO NOT STOP PLAYING...Just have fun..and keep going...I'm sure it'll come through in the end :D


From Your Local Ninja,
NinjaStyle ;D

[Cadexn]

The question at stake here is 'why' in god's name is it necessary to wipe the server? Everything works, a bug is found, fixed, and you can go about thy merry way. The CBT server is good because there are not a great many people present and therefore the consequences are not so dire, few people suffer from it, and those who do, are easily compensated. Thus, I conclude my theory (for now) concerning the in-depth death of everything in the server after the wipe.

during closed beta, bugs might be abused and other stuffs happens to make your character imbalance. that is why wipe is necessary.

but i have yet to see a bug that does that. hope there will be no wipe :P

[lplove]

Hence the existence of character deletion+IP ban.

Or, if the problem had spread, there's always 'rollback'.

[Ettibby]

Steps of a game

Closed Beta- Limited players go in to test the game. (WIPED IN THE END)

Open Beta- Open to all players to add/test new patches and fix bugs (WIPED IN THE END)

Official- Game opens (SHOULDNT BE ANY WIPES) unless something messes up. But basically does the same thing as OB, new patches to add stuff.

thats about right. same as just about every game. CB is trying to find MAJOR bugs. OB is usualy little bugs

[kimmi]

on the fiesta closed beta title, their characters were wiped from beta too.
but in their announcements, which they posted when OB came out,
they specifically said that their charas had been resetted to lvl 1, but were able to keep the name of their original CB chara. if they delete the chara, their closed beta title will be gone with it~

[Natopia]

Why are people complaining about a wipe? Who cares, you got to play in CB.. think about all the disappointed people who waited so long to play to have them told they didn't make it and have to wait even longer.

[xLance]

There going to delete CB accounts, but keep OB accounts.

[kimmi]

it's not more or less complaining, but just making sure whether or not
there'd be a wipe or not. there are some mmorpgs that leaves the CB charas alone and some that don't. there are people that're lvling to 3x~4x and they might stop if there will be a wipe since there will be no point in concentrating on lvling every minute just for fun instead of looking for bugs.

[Ettibby]

look the beta's are to find bugs in the game. your not in the beta to play the game (well in a way you are) but to find jobs. besides you know how to play and what to do so you will lvl kinda fast. plus in a way its better for new players :D

[Natopia]

Finding bugs is better then sitting back and waiting.. although i'm downloading it right now so >.< i'm not 1 to say anything

[Advents]

Another thing good about being a CB tester is your knowledge of the game when it goes OB like Ettibby said. You will be able to help new people if your kind so everyone who joins isnt clueless about what to do.

[Tefnut]

well whether ther'll be a wipe or not is totally dependent on the Outspark staff... Though I have to agree with the majority that in CB it is a practice to do a wipe out once OB starts... and again when they shift from OB to official release...

But then again all of us here dread the thought since we HAVE been grinding our butts to the bone and have grown to like the game in some way or another... The best we can all do now is not to be careless with all that we've worked for. I for one test-play this game as if it were on official release (meaning I don't go 'heck they'll wipe it out anyway so ill fool around and make crappy builds and sell uber rare stuffs i find without a second thought'). At least this way if they decide not to wipe (though highly unlikely) I at least get to keep my hard earned stuff and character.

Another reason why we probably dread the wipeout is because leveling in this game is extremely hard... can i see a raise of hands and support from the clerics ingame? *lol* So it would be a disappointment to those of us who actually get to those high levels only to see our character deleted in the end, leaving us with nothing but the sense of being able to "help out/contribute for the improvement of the game".

Oh and an interesting thing to note me and a few acquaintances I met in-game also talked about the wipeout question and one of the (Kiseph) said that GM Break said that there *might* not be a wipeout... so yeah, its no confirmation but at least we know that there IS a chance that we get to keep everything in the end... if not well at least you know how to play the game better than all the rest who will just play it the first time in OB :p

[LordZephyr]

Not true. Many game don't wipe when passing from OB to Official. =P False, man.

[Tefnut]

well as for the OB to official... I'd have to admit that I don't see many games doing a wipeout but hey I've just been hearing that so I figured I should mention it... anyway, wipeout or not is no big deal for me :D

[Kitysedai]

Closed Beta= Testing Phase, of course you arnt going to be able to keep what you earned. Your just there to find bugs and report them not to earn anything to keep. Open Beta also gets wiped once the game goes official.

Steps of a game

Closed Beta- Limited players go in to test the game. (WIPED IN THE END)

Open Beta- Open to all players to add/test new patches and fix bugs (WIPED IN THE END)

Official- Game opens (SHOULDNT BE ANY WIPES) unless something messes up. But basically does the same thing as OB, new patches to add stuff.

Actually not ALL games are wiped for CB or OB, although most are and with reason. Currently they are saying they are unsure if there will be a wipe, but I honestly think there will and should be for CB. CB is for testing and not to be higher lvl etc when the game goes to open. Too many people in this CBT are complaining about this and it makes me so annoyed. If you dont want the char wipe dont play.... its THAT simple. Maybe they wont wipe and if they dont then that is their choice, but if you are in a CBT you should EXPECT it not whine about it. I honestly right now dont care if I have money or such I am here to lvl and check for bugs, glitches etc, which is what a CBT is for, not to be able to be the richest and highest lvl and not accomplish anything that helps the game, if that is why you are here then just dont even bother, wait till OB and let those who are here for the actual purpose do what needs to be done.

[Fourpius]

oops wrong forum....please ignore post

[Advents]

IF theres no wipe from CB to OB, how is that fair to people who didnt get a chance to get into the CB then?

[Sango12592]

on the fiesta closed beta title, their characters were wiped from beta too.
but in their announcements, which they posted when OB came out,
they specifically said that their charas had been resetted to lvl 1, but were able to keep the name of their original CB chara. if they delete the chara, their closed beta title will be gone with it~
Oh, I hope they do that. I'm not worried so much on the loosing experience as I am comming on, finding it wiped, and also finding that someone has taken the name I so dearly got. ^_^' I know it's a weird thing to worry about, but I do. I just want my character, not the stats.

[livinsmall]

well after the last wipe they said that there wouldnt be anymore wipes. so im going by that ^^

[kreeps]

Open Beta- Open to all players to add/test new patches and fix bugs (WIPED IN THE END)


99.99% of all games I've played in Open Beta there were NO wipes. Open Beta is usually when the cash shop is introduced into a game(not right away), so they wouldnt wipe the things players bought. Even if the cash shop isnt opened in OB, doesnt mean there will be a wipe. But yeah always a wipe after CB.

[Kaleidoscope]

Another thing good about being a CB tester is your knowledge of the game when it goes OB like Ettibby said. You will be able to help new people if your kind so everyone who joins isnt clueless about what to do.

>> Why should we help a bunch of idiots who did nothing but whine and spam about how they should be invited, and then whine and complain and spam some more about how it wouldn't be fair to them if CB testers didn't have all their work deleted on them?

If all I have to show for my time at CBT is a few forum posts reporting bugs and my "knowledge" then I'm sure as hell not gonna share it with a bunch of noobs who only complain about one thing or another. ><

Bad attitude but. I'm starting to get spiteful. The forums are like 80% people whining for an invite. And what isn't that is people going on about how horrible closed beta testers are for "complaining" over something that they should just do all over again. Especially when they know nothing about the game or how hard it is to level up and how much grinding any of it takes.

Like I've said before. I don't think it should be left up to the community that hasn't put time or anything but complaints into this game. It should be left to the staff, the GMs, and the beta testers to decide.

(BTW. If enough exploitable glitches are found, I'm actually FOR the wipe. Just so I don't get flamed/complained at some more on that point.) I personally have stopped leveling all together. But since the game is pretty much a grinder..that leaves me with nothing to do but sit in town and chat at people. :l

[SecretMoon]

I would have to agree. I made closed beta for a while and it was fun. There were a lot of errors, and while I regret the fact that they wiped it, I agree that it is necessary. CBTs have it hard. I encountered several smaller glitches that got very annoying. Complaints are definitely a problem, not so much the complaints about bugs, rather the ones who think they all ready know everything about these bugs. "aka there is no bug, you are just messing up." Helping people is good, most people just dont want help. I do think that CBTs should be able to keep some of their items, money, etc. because they worked hard for it, and frankly, If people are going to complain, they might as well have a valid reason we can shove in their face.

[Geezy314]

I've been playing various MMORPGs over the past few years, more than a few from closed beta to open beta and beyond. I feel compelled to give a bit of information that I have learned about the way those betas worked in this thread. Some information that might have already been mentioned, some that might not have.

To begin... closed beta is usually

closed to the public, or at least closed to any that aren't invited (as I'm sure you've already seen with the "PL0X N33D INVITS TOO B3TA" threads). Why? Well, closed beta is the first chance for the developers to introduce the game to people outside of their circles. This is where you want the major bugs (the level 44 glitch comes to mind) taken care of before you release the game to a larger audience.

closedcharacter, which is to say levels/stats/items gained from the closed beta usually don't pass over to the open beta. That's not to say that us closed beta testers won't get some compensation; however, being in a closed beta is a privilege, not a right, so you probably shouldn't expect much in the way of recognition/items when your character moves from CB to OB.

So, why would anyone want to be in a closed beta if their character and fame are going to be wiped out? A few reasons...

Knowledge Except for a few of us who probably went and translated this game from a different language to see what it was all about, closed beta was the first time for us all to get to know the game. Now that we have participated in the closed beta, we know a lot about the game that we didn't know before. In example, we know that the letter quest is a pain in the @$$, and it probably isn't worth the 5000 Kron to do it. Also, those of us who advanced further know which skills are worth using, which places are best to level, etc, etc. When you move from closed beta to open beta, you'll be miles ahead of those just getting started in the game.

Friends Usually, closed beta players are diehard fans of the game that they were chosen for (thats why they were chosen). They are dedicated and hard-working, trying to make the game better instead of b1tching about why this skill doesn't work, why the events SUX, etc. In my experience, the friends that you make early (Closed beta-ish) seem to stick around longer than other friends that you make later, but it's just an opinion.

GM Interaction I don't know about the rest of you, but go to a random game that has been fully released, and try to find a GM in-game, or even on the forums. It's a tall task with most games. In closed betas, the GMs/Devs want to get to know their players. They want feedback about the game, feedback about mobs, skills, levels, experience, events, etc. This gives the players in a closed beta the chance to get to know the GMs and Devs better as well.

But WHY WHY WHY OMG WHY DO WE LIEK NEED WIP3?!?!

Well, so far, I haven't really seen much of a reason to wipe this beta when the change to open beta happens. There haven't been any problems with major exploits (that I know of), there haven't been any massive GM giveaways that would make things unfair, and people aren't so massively leveled that new people couldn't possibly catch up. However, this is all in the hands of the devs and GMs, who made their minds up on this matter weeks ago, so when people start crying on the forums about whatever decision the Devs/GMs made, it probably isn't going to help. Anyway...

Why Closed Betas are Usually Wiped:

[Exploits] - usually, closed betas are filled with bugs, glitches, etc, and the major ones are usually fixed before Open Beta... hopefully. However, some times unscrupulous players can and will take advantages of exploits and use them to their advantage. (Example, Player A finds a exploit that gives unfairly stated items. He tells his friends, who tell their friends, who tell their friends. Eventually, the exploit is found and patched, and some of the players responsible are banned. However, the market is already flooded with stated items, and they have switched hands so many times its near impossible to tell the exploiters from the exploited. The only real solution is to have a wipe when the game progresses from Closed to Open beta to rid the game of those unfair items.)

[Experience/Drop Rate/Monster Difficulty Tweak] Occasionally in a game, leveling is too easy or too hard, drop rates are broken, monsters are too hard in one area and too easy in another, etc, etc. From Closed to Open Beta, the rates for those items are changed, and thus the difficulty of the game is changed. This is ironically a situation that Closed Beta players would object to if their characters were kept.(Example, the grind from 1-20 is ridiculously hard, but from 20+ it gets a bit easier. Players in Closed beta grind hard, get to 20+ in time for Open Beta. Open Beta starts, and lower level monsters suddenly give more experience, and getting from 1-20 becomes much easier. Closed Beta veterans are outraged, as the new players in Open Beta don't have any difficulty reaching 20+)

[Testing] This is probably the one that has been seen the most by veterans of various rpgs. Items/Weapons/Armor all have to be tested, the percentage rate of enhancing items has to be tweaked. However (as is the case so far in this game) items for enhancing a level to +1 and beyond are rare. The solution? Giving players loads and loads of them to test if the percentage of failure and success are what the developer wants. The only problem, of course, is that through this process, obscenely high (+10, +20) level weapons and armor can be created through GM intervention, which highly unbalances the game when new Open Beta players come in. Therefore, the only solution is to wipe everything so everyone gets to start on the same page.

If you read all the way through, thanks for reading my essay. Most of what I posted that related to this game was speculative, and I don't have any real information on whether there will be a wipe or not. That being said, I'm 99% sure there will be a wipe from CB to OB; simply put, that's what normally happens in the span of a game's creation. But hey, if any GM wants to step up to the plate and give us some cold hard information about the end of CB/the beginning of OB, I'm all ears. Til then, we'll just have to wait and see.

Geezy

[Teifer]

A vast majority is correct, enough not to be picky about it ;)

Although I will add, not every company expects the same things. If you really want to help, read the forums, listen to what people have problems with, watch the bug reports and see if you can help expand details, but overall, be available for when they need you, like events and specific tests.

Good post Geezy!

[dadakmj]

I hope they wipe at the end of CB. All of us in CB already have a leg up on the competition knowing where to lvl and find quest npcs/items. If you players really feel participating in CB is just a waste of time since they may eventually wipe then why are you even playing? How many games have they introduced that didn't wipe cb->ob? players should be happy that there probably won't be a wipe going from ob to retail =p In every single P2P MMO I've played in the past 10 years or so there has always been a wipe before retail. I think F2P games are the only exception to the rule.

[rckeintaro]

I hope they do a wipe of everything, so the people who actually dont sleep and keep playing for hours wasted their time playing and thinking they are better then everyone has to start off like everyone else again :D

As stated many times, this is a CB its meant for finding bugs and such not to keep data. Just to fix things so it can be more enjoyable during OB and such. I mean if you even read anything you sign up for on mmo's you agree to any changes or anythign at all when signing up for the accounts and stuff. You have no say in this, and just enjoy your time for now. Think of this as an experience to enjoy a new game. Other people are waiting in line to play and experience this game. Though many people think this ia liek Ragnarok Online, sadly you all are WRONG. The graphic engine is the same as ragnarok, but the gameplay and much else in the game are different. Especially the party system. In RO the party system was CRAP.

[ajz630]

we should be able to at least keep the names of our charachters, because i for one hate when i go to paly a game and i pick the name of my charachter and someone has already taken it, and now in this game i have the name i always want in any other game and im going to loose it.

[Tagg36]

I think it will be wiped cause this is just beta, where there can/are glitches. perhaps a lvling glitch or a item glitch or a glitch that somehow gets someone ahead of everyone else with little effort. If that person who finds a glitch such as that and abuses it, then when they fix everything and everyone keep thier chars, then that player who abused the glitch would be at a huge advantage. thus I feel until this game is completely open to the public WITH actual dedicated servers, we should not be able to keep our chars.

so... wiping out chars is a good thing to me. (until beta is no longer here and the game is for everyone ^^)