Done with this game, mentorship=fail

[darksart]

First off, mentorship gives 40% exp of whatever the menti earns to the mentor, not 10% or anything lower(I tested it in game). Lets say you add 3 mentis right before their job change at lvl 10 when you are lvl 10. If each levels to 11, you'll automatically lvl 120%, outlvling them by just being online and leeching exp.

Now with maps limited, the people who grinded to the top are easily outlvled by mentorship simply because they can no longer grind- considering ppl in the 30s need to party to get exp and usually at most 100 exp to 30 per kill depending on the party size and lvls. Since only a few people understood the benefits of mentorship, the lvls have been skewed by a few. I understand anyone who knew of this advantage would have abused it, thats why this game needs to take it out or reduce exp gain by like 5%, 10% of menti exp, or limit exp gain to only first job advance. All you see now is a bunch of people competing for mentis.

What I'm getting at is mentorship ruins the point of grinding in this game. When there is an opportunity for people to obtian levels by leeching off a pyramid scheme faster than they could grind, i consider this the same as botting.

I really enjoyed this game and the pvp system, but mentorship has made it unbalance and I don't think i'll be back unless theres a new server. For having grinded through hours of gameplay to lvl 32 and gaining the rank of 6th overall and 1st in class, mentorship is a slap in my face and everyone who puts in the grinding hours.

- Mischief

[marveri]

and why would you quit because of a game's minor feature being bugged?

Give them time, it's been a rough 2 weeks for them since they just released the game.i would stay for at least another month before quitting.

[BloodLimit]

Lol, those that leveled out of mentis might get a rollback.

[septembers]

Lol, those that leveled out of mentis might get a rollback.

Id cry, and quit :3

Silkypico said no more rollbacks,

[cerefear]

Just to let you know Mischief the 5 ahead of you are Me, Light, September, 9Impz, and Nurse. Besides me who stopped grinding at level 31 with 50% and started getting menti, the other 4 have all grind to 33+. Also if there wasn't a limit to the maps I wouldn't even be the top level player, Light or one of these other serious grinders would be because the exp from grinding is so much better then my menti exp.

I agree the mentor system does give a lot of exp, but its not that easy to keep your students in the game. Over the week of me getting about 300+ menti I believe I only have about 20 or so students that are still playing the game. All quitting for one reason or another, and no amount of help I can give someone will make them want to play the game longer.

You will see a lot of people trying to take advantage of the mentor system thinking its a good deal, but unless you have the time to sit and chat and befriend those students they'll most likely leave. So there's really no point worrying about people leveling extremely high like Light, Sept, and I because well we put in a lot of work to get the amount of menti we have and we also spent a lot of time helping our students its no less work compared to grinding. Just a different way instead of killing monsters and getting drops we're giving out drops and chatting with people.

Honestly if the maps were out the 3 of us would rather be grinding instead of looking for menti because with the time we spend on getting menti we could grind faster then that. Only problem right now is that the only way to level is through menti which is why I believe you feel upset about this. Also its been stated by GMs that Windslayer is geared towards PvP which is why the Grind isn't so bad.

[TriGoon]

Mentorship system IS broken... atm. When the maps are released, like they should have been already, the xp rates jump so high by even 50 that no amount of mentors will lvl you even once. (almost)

Its only broken now due to them being able to go waaaaaaay past the cap that any non-mentor people have, because we get 1 xp all the time, they can afk and lvl.

When the maps are released, they get to start out over 10+ lvls ahead of everyone who actually grinded. THAT is broken.

When the game is actually out in full, it'll be inconsequential.



Still, I'm tempted to quit just because of nothing to do. This map cap is the quickest cap i've reached in any game, ever. 2 days of grinding and i had nothing else to do. Thus why i'm only on to be in shop nowadays. :)

[BloodLimit]

I stopped at Lvl30 because then I wont enjoy the content of Lvl 30's as well as second class adv.. if I leveled toward lvl40's or 50's then I would be begging for more content because I already obtained all 2nd class skills and there's nothing left to grind for.

[septembers]

Mentorship system IS broken... atm. When the maps are released, like they should have been already, the xp rates jump so high by even 50 that no amount of mentors will lvl you even once. (almost)

Its only broken now due to them being able to go waaaaaaay past the cap that any non-mentor people have, because we get 1 xp all the time, they can afk and lvl.

When the maps are released, they get to start out over 10+ lvls ahead of everyone who actually grinded. THAT is broken.

When the game is actually out in full, it'll be inconsequential.



Still, I'm tempted to quit just because of nothing to do. This map cap is the quickest cap i've reached in any game, ever. 2 days of grinding and i had nothing else to do. Thus why i'm only on to be in shop nowadays. :)


You know it takes ahile to get a mentee base, I take alot of time getting them, its not all, relaxing and afking, >_>, Ive probaly gotten over 200, and only 7-11 are on a day,


Ive grinded to level 34 so you can't say, That I just afked and leveled all the time,

[TriGoon]

Hello, its broken in our current game. I couldn't care less that you grinded mindlessly for longer than any sane person would. The point was, spamming mentors = no cap on lvls, where the rest of us are capped without mentors.

And oh my, yes, im sure spamming "press n and mentor me" over and over is hard work, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with what i said.

[blooleopaco2]

iWish Novice were able to Mentor.
They need put that suggestion up =|

[hooblaim]

Im on the urge of quiting for Dragonica when it comes out, I am bored out of my mind pvping, I feel dumb for buying spark cash. If maps dont come by or on March 4 I am probably gonna leave. This is such a great game but we need new maps.

[Grizantir]

I agree with the OP and with Hooblaim, I also purchased SparkCash to gain an advantage in leveling because I was so far behind. But, now I am a level 33 Priest and grinding at Steel Cliffs is the equivalent of a level 6x training on a normal map. Give or take. It's unrealistic and just mind-numbing. Sure, given a few days of nonstop grinding I could level considering I still have 3 days of x2 exp left, but whats the point? To make another 50k off the items? Or to gain a measily level which could be otherwised acheived in half the time with new maps. Either way leveling is not worth it unless you have menti's.

[darksart]

Well i guess i'm going to play the waiting game with everyone else since I do agree I love the pvp. Hmm i'm not sure but i think menti's do not get an exp bonus by having a mentor. Can anyone confirm this. I get the same exp with my mentor online or offline, not sure if I would get the same if she wasn't my mentor.

Tip for gms, start a new server w/o mentorship bonus when maps are out, people will spend money for exp cards. I know I would. And I wouldn't mind starting over since thats all there is to do now.

[Alagond]

I can confirm the +20% bonus. I created a novice just to see if it was there. It is. I might go on tomorrow and take screenies just to provide some evidence.

[cerefear]

Mentor could be online or offline and the menti would still get the 20% bonus.

[felecorr]

For the love of god, did anyone here ever stop to think that mentorship was meant to ESTABLISH SOCIAL TIES in this game? Mentors and Menti's are supposed to help each other- The Menti's helps the higher level mentor level up, And possibly, (If new maps ever come out before Beta players bore to death) Help players Cap out faster for being social, helpful, and friendly to players that helped them get to where they were. Granted, if you know someone is simply using you to level up, CUT THEM OFF. Remove them as your mentor. If you took them on, you should quickly know if they're about you, or if they're about themselves. Granted, new players wont understand they're being used, but it's still a fact they receive a 20% exp boost- If you dont like it, you can tell you mentor to act like one or your going to remove him and take on someone who will take you seriously.

ALL IN ALL, The Menti system is supposed to help players develop faster(in terms of exp and level) So they can enjoy the PvP portion of the game (which Windslayer is supposed to be about- go play Maple story if quick leveling bothers you) If 5-10 people work together to max out so they can get to enjoy the rest of the game to its fullest, why are you complaining? You should be happy this game endorses communication and teamwork. (Or whatever you wanna call it)

Since there are no new maps, it's pretty much the only way for people 30+ to level up w/o grinding for days at a time. Its unfair because of the map restrictions, not because of the way the system is set up. If we had all the maps, I'm very sure no one would be complaining.

[septembers]

Ive already provided a screenie with the 20% more exp,

[ral13]

I'm glad that the 20% is only up until you change to 2nd job, as I didn't get a mentor for any of my chars... : /

[felecorr]

That would be a LOSS, Ral, because your going to take 20% longer to level up. I'm glad you spite mentors so much. >_>

[ral13]

I never said I spite them, I just didn't know about the 20% till I got my chars too far to be worth it to start again. I don't understand how you got that I spite mentors at all. I just am glad its only till 2nd job change, so I wouldn't have to restart my chars.

[felecorr]

Ah, my apologies, by the theme of this thread, I figured that was the case.

[ral13]

Ah, my apologies, by the theme of this thread, I figured that was the case.
Np, I used to dislike the mentor system, but after seeing a pic of a gm saying it is supposed to be like it is, I have no problem with it.

[nate_]

you along with half the rest of the windslayer community are going to quit... im starting to wonder if outsparks doing this on purpose to kill the game...

[felecorr]

What confuses me is why you all have to complain about someone getting to lvl 40 before you. Does it really bother you that much? If you haven't forgotten, or maybe you aren't aware, That this was meant to be a PvP game. If you think your threats hold weight, go ahead. Im sure the Outspark community wont miss a couple complaining people.

[blairyfairy]

Ive been waiting for blackshot's open beta, for what? 5 months now? im not nagging and flaming outspark like you are after ONLY 2 weeks of no amakusa

[tiiffanny]

I know this might seem a bit off topic, but with Amasuka out, what's the new "level cap".
Currently it's around 31 with golems. What's this new cap going to be with Amasuka out?

[blairyfairy]

once they release amakusa, theyll probably release everything else as well, if not, let the flames against outspark continue...

[tiiffanny]

Everything else as well? Really?

Are there any sources that can validate that more than just Amasuka is coming out?

For some reason, I feel they're going to release each town at different times.

I wish a huge chunk of content would release though. :(

[TriGoon]

Lol, if they release only one more zone (ie. just amakusa maps) i'm not waiting around.

That's just retarded, months of waiting to be able to lvl a tiny bit higher.

[nate_]

once they release amakusa, theyll probably release everything else as well, if not, let the flames against outspark continue...

may the flames burn higher and harder than ever =)

[blairyfairy]

...and may the noobs whine more and more, until the banhammer breaks, then its whine thread after whine thread.

@tiiffanny
i have no proof, but my in my opinion, thats what i think will happen