Clerics Rule Fiesta!!

[xavier_swift]

That's right, I said!! All you other classes can jeer, disrespect and mock us all you want, you all know that it's a FACT!!


Think about it: What are the real downsides of being a Cleric? Lack of real attack power? Only two attacking skills at the current lvl Cap? These things are easily circumnavigated!!


You think we are really that impressed with some Fighter/Mage being able to do over 2000 damage in a single attack (an exaggerated number I know xD), or some Archer killing 10+ monsters without taking a single hit?
Try keeping a whole entire party alive as you are being swarmed by elite monsters, and having everyone spread out everywhere. That takes some serious talent, people.


So, continue scorn and insult us, Archers/Fighters/Mages. We'll patiently wait for you to come crawling back to us in the end.

[Dthugtherealist]

all I have to say to this is.................................
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
I've been in mass grind pt's were there's no clerics and Im the main tank all I do is mock and protect the pt while being the main dmg dealer and well. Pt's don't need clerics if they have a good tank clerics are a BONUS!!!!!!!!!

[mehe25]

Clerics are awsome.

[xavier_swift]

all I have to say to this is.................................
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
I've been in mass grind pt's were there's no clerics and Im the main tank all I do is mock and protect the pt while being the main dmg dealer and well. Pt's don't need clerics if they have a good tank clerics are a BONUS!!!!!!!!!

I've strolled by plenty of those types of parties many times with my cleric, and the same exact action occurs every time I do:

Party Invite.

[globule]

I've strolled by plenty of those types of parties many times with my cleric, and the same exact action occurs every time I do:

Party Invite.

Which is, I believe, Dthugs's point.
If you refuse the invite, the party is still going on and grinds.
Hence, the cleric is a bonus.

And that is true with all classes.
No class is totally essential for a party.
Just that when one is missing, the party is just harder to make work or is less efficient/more costly.
But having one class not represented will not spell the end of the party.

[Now_In_Lush_Color]

all I have to say to this is.................................
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
I've been in mass grind pt's were there's no clerics and Im the main tank all I do is mock and protect the pt while being the main dmg dealer and well. Pt's don't need clerics if they have a good tank clerics are a BONUS!!!!!!!!!

Your ego is showing >.>

[mehe25]

Yea and a big fat one at that.

[Chaola]

Your ego is showing >.>


Yea and a big fat one at that.

But he's right.

Fiesta is made in a way that we can continue with one class missing.

It will just be harder, more expensive without a cleric. Just as it's slower without an archer pulling, or without a mage AOE...

The perfect party would be where all 4 classes are presents, but we all know that it actually happens rarely.

I think the OP might be over-exagerating. Every class is disrepected at one point. Fighters are insulted for no tanking right, clerics for not healing right, archers for not dealing enough damage, mages for being weak...

Stop presenting the clerics as the pariahs of Fiesta.

[angerchild]

Clerics are a whole lot more than a bonus and until fail tankers realize it they'll keep trying to downplay our role.

The same wannabe tanker that won't party you is the same one that'll beg you for a buff (and get mad when you don't give it)...lol!!!

The class definitely has its upsides...but we truly don't rule Fiesta in any way, shape, or form.

[xavier_swift]

But he's right.

Fiesta is made in a way that we can continue with one class missing.

It will just be harder, more expensive without a cleric. Just as it's slower without an archer pulling, or without a mage AOE...

The perfect party would be where all 4 classes are presents, but we all know that it actually happens rarely.

I think the OP might be over-exagerating. Every class is disrepected at one point. Fighters are insulted for no tanking right, clerics for not healing right, archers for not dealing enough damage, mages for being weak...

Stop presenting the clerics as the pariahs of Fiesta.

I'm not presenting them as outcasts. I'm merely saying that our strengths greatly outweigh our weakness more than the other classes.

[Diatomic]

any party can survive without another class present...but an effective and efficient party, a cleric is essential, not a bonus.

[sonnyrubytiny40_64]

Bonus, turn your party invite off. and then they must ask or never mind you.

[YoshimaruOrona]

The only way a tank is going to have an effective AoE party with a cleric missing is if he's willing to burn hundreds of silver on t3/t4 hp potions (or irl money for cash shop potions). And the tank also has to be able to work well without the party buffs and hp/sp buff that comes with a cleric. Unless you're one of those arrogant fighters who ask clerics for a buff then ignore them when they need a party >>

So, clerics are an extremely valuable asset to have, yes. But they're not a requirement for an effective party. But tanks who want AoE parties without a cleric better be willing and ready to pay for it. Because it will hurt your wallet.

[saint_attila]

PSH.

:P Clerics are needed cause we put on light shows that make metal bands green with envy.

"Eat your heart out Gene Simmons. My light show is better."

*lights up all of uruga with a single heal chain*

[kryptic-]

Clerics only have 1 flaw, but it's a huge one. However, If you have godly patience i believe that you can make cleric the best class in fiesta.

[xavier_swift]

PSH.

:P Clerics are needed cause we put on light shows that make metal bands green with envy.

"Eat your heart out Gene Simmons. My light show is better."

*lights up all of uruga with a single heal chain*

Don't get me started on that topic, lol.

[alicina]

Hm, why would we want to insult the clerics? Clerics are really helpful and most wanted in a party but I definitely don't think they rule Fiesta. In my point of view, all classes are considered very succcesful if you know how to play them well. You play a cleric, of course it takes some skills to heal yourself and your party when you're being mobed. I mean, I could never do that since I only have 25 levels of experience. As for me, I'm a mage, it's really hard to stay alive with only pots and stones while being attacked by monsters. That also takes some major skills. Well, we all have our own experience and opinions in our own point of views. So...clerics rule in your POV but some people do not agree.

[preetykitty]

I wouldnt say we quiet "rule" fiesta
I personally love being a cleric
but we have our flaws
as well as every other class
i mean fighters are over powered
mages are weak and have inferno/nova(whatever its called)
archers can kite
and us clerics dont get anything

i mean we dont get upgrades until the next cap raise
which really sucks

Us clerics are a "support class"
we DONT have to buff people
but if we dont we get called names or whatever
which is not right i know
but i will say that we need more skills then buffs.
but thats my personal opinion

[CCL225]

You think we are really that impressed with some Fighter/Mage being able to do over 2000 damage in a single attack (an exaggerated number I know xD), or some Archer killing 10+ monsters without taking a single hit?
Try keeping a whole entire party alive as you are being swarmed by elite monsters, and having everyone spread out everywhere. That takes some serious talent, people.

i usually just let one or two die, and try to save others. hehe....

but nice post^^ woot!!!


Clerics only have 1 flaw, but it's a huge one. However, If you have godly patience i believe that you can make cleric the best class in fiesta.

it's not really huge so long as u have ways^^

think about it!! we seems to be the only class most heard being asked for party!! maybe not in shouts, but i get a number of whispers by friends asking me if im free to heal them in here/there, and they dont mind im 10 levels below them whatsoever, cause other clerics are either away or not around or rather solo or something. AND tr need clerics, so does lvl80 areas.

but without them will we die?? NO!!! well...we will be slower, but we wont die. we can stay at one spot for 3hours doing what other classes can do for 1hour, but we are there for 3hours while others can only be there for 1hour and need to return to restone. wahhaha....i can book spots, and not worry about people sttealing it away from me =P

[marcoreo]

another huge flaw of clerics--> pvp
exept if u have a very long fight-> boring-> clerics ccant kill or be killed!

[Daevor]

Perhaps clerics ruled in days which are now long gone.

I remember a time when clerics actually knew how to keep a party alive; how to increase or decrease the amount of aggro they generate, and do so correctly dependent on the situation; when to use invince and when not to use it; how to clank and still keep a party alive; etc. etc.

These days good clerics, unfortunately, make up a small percentage of the cleric population. In no way can clerics claim to "rule" Fiesta when we (i.e. the majority of clerics) don't even know how to heal properly.

[Dthugtherealist]

Srry guys for coming of that way but seriously......... Yes clerics make life easier as hell lots easier I love them lots of my friends are clerics Clerics make fighters unstoppable. My wife/GF is a cleric doesn't that tell you something??:P I've been in Favor of clerics having a lil more attack skills for the longest cuz I don't wanna see my friends quit and go this is boring. A lonely clerics is one more likely to quit and start another class. As for bonus ok I have over 1k and almost 2k dmg with My GH even more with my masters blue my stuff is perfectly DD empowered so with a mage and another DD fighter we have the perfect killing party were killing fast and efficient. I used to duo with a friend named Razorwhipp22 and kill GOC at 60X cuz he was a good tank and allowed me to dmg deal without killing of my self. Of course theirs preparation but I don't burn T3/T4's I may use a T3 pot every 10 mins wen I get into a Jam and those are the 1's u get for free not the 1's u buy so Im efficient with my killing/tanking in fact since I got my 1k def+ I've used less and less stones then I ever used.

[Miazma]

Any cleric who says they are a better *Clank* than a *Tank* obviously hasnt partied with a roxor Tank.

And yes that is the problem with this game now, people have levelled so fast they have no idea how to effectively use the skills they are given.

My game husband is a full END Tank who has been playing since before spark cash was available and the game was made easy. He knows how to use his skills and he is one helluva fine Tank.

Clerics spruking that since we got the *Awaken* skill we are better than a Tank are a joke. Awaken is an awesome skill because the Tank can mob, I can stand in the middle of the mob and spam Awaken which keeps all party members healed enough till the mob dies.

Truth is any cleric in a party situation who continually steals agro from the tank isnt a good cleric. Yes there are rare times when I have had to *Clank* and yes I can do it reasonably efficiently when I have to. However in a party situation it isnt the role I am supposed to play unless agreed to beforehand.

[Stingerdan]

That's right, I said!! All you other classes can jeer, disrespect and mock us all you want, you all know that it's a FACT!!


Think about it: What are the real downsides of being a Cleric? Lack of real attack power? Only two attacking skills at the current lvl Cap? These things are easily circumnavigated!!


You think we are really that impressed with some Fighter/Mage being able to do over 2000 damage in a single attack (an exaggerated number I know xD), or some Archer killing 10+ monsters without taking a single hit?
Try keeping a whole entire party alive as you are being swarmed by elite monsters, and having everyone spread out everywhere. That takes some serious talent, people.


So, continue scorn and insult us, Archers/Fighters/Mages. We'll patiently wait for you to come crawling back to us in the end.

I would never dare to laugh at or insult one of the great Clerics of Fiesta. I highly respect most of them and what they do for the rest of us. Same way I respect every other class for doing their own individual jobs.

[YoshimaruOrona]

This is not to discredit anything in your post, I just wanted to point out something that I noticed.


Clerics spruking that since we got the *Awaken* skill we are better than a Tank are a joke.

I'm not saying that we're better than a tank, but it's debatable that we can hold/steal agro better than a tank. In terms of defense, HP total, and minimalizing damage that the party takes, the fighter still beats us. But with awaken, we can compete with them for agro. But that's all we got, really.

[CCL225]

Perhaps clerics ruled in days which are now long gone.

I remember a time when clerics actually knew how to keep a party alive; how to increase or decrease the amount of aggro they generate, and do so correctly dependent on the situation; when to use invince and when not to use it; how to clank and still keep a party alive; etc. etc.

These days good clerics, unfortunately, make up a small percentage of the cleric population. In no way can clerics claim to "rule" Fiesta when we (i.e. the majority of clerics) don't even know how to heal properly.

off-topic:
unfortunately these clerics has now either went off to other classes or other games, due to the lack of appreciation of those they had used to heal. due to complains from these clerics, future clerics has felt unappreciated.

how many people are giving free buffs and yet there are many people saying clerics sucks for not buffing?? how many people are out there healing and trying to keep a party alive, but failed due to high expectations of party members, and end up getting cursed? how many people are trying their best in being a good healer but end up being treated as a heal slave? (well...i dare say these people who did bad things to clerics are getting lesser)

did people say thank you to mages/archers? NO. every end of kq what u hear is, 'good tanking', 'good healing'. but fighters and clerics are always blamed for any failure too anyway. hehe...so be appreciative and i believe every class will work his/her best. say 'thank you' even if it's a fail, 'sorry' if you took too much aggro or if you are the cleric and you accidentally let your members die. it's always nice to be polite even if in game. :D

on-topic: cleric is still the best to me, so it rules for me =P

[Miazma]

That comment wasnt directed at you Yoshi.

I agree the *Awaken* skill does override the Tanks skills but there are times when it isnt a good idea for the cleric to take the agro on themself.

I also admit to being a very spoilt cleric always being in party with a top Tank.

[Daevor]

off-topic:
unfortunately these clerics has now either went off to other classes or other games, due to the lack of appreciation of those they had used to heal. due to complains from these clerics, future clerics has felt unappreciated.

how many people are giving free buffs and yet there are many people saying clerics sucks for not buffing?? how many people are out there healing and trying to keep a party alive, but failed due to high expectations of party members, and end up getting cursed? how many people are trying their best in being a good healer but end up being treated as a heal slave? (well...i dare say these people who did bad things to clerics are getting lesser)

did people say thank you to mages/archers? NO. every end of kq what u hear is, 'good tanking', 'good healing'. but fighters and clerics are always blamed for any failure too anyway. hehe...so be appreciative and i believe every class will work his/her best. say 'thank you' even if it's a fail, 'sorry' if you took too much aggro or if you are the cleric and you accidentally let your members die. it's always nice to be polite even if in game. :D

on-topic: cleric is still the best to me, so it rules for me =P

True, people usually blame the cleric and tanker if things go awry. But I am basing my opinion on personal experience, as I have been playing my alts (on other accounts) and have rarely come across a cleric who knows how to heal properly in KQ. And don't even get me started on the healophobia clerics. See, this is not "off-topic" as you claim: how can clerics claim to "rule" when most clerics are not making a decent contribution to the success of a KQ, when co-operation and using your skills in the best way possible counts the most?

No, it doesn't increase the success chance of Gold Hill KQ for some cleric with high def to clank the Robber boss (especially when there are fighters present) for a full 20 seconds before any dd with a +9 steals the aggro and dies in 2 hits.
Nor does it increase the success chance of MD kq when the tank and sub-tank both lose aggro due to fear when you don't cast invincible on the dd MD goes after. This is actually especially important in MD Hardcore, where MD fears the tanks on a regular basis.
Or in a party-grinding situation it doesn't help when you spam heal with heal, rejuvenate and recover and then end up stealing most of the aggro, and, with those mobs running over to you they don't get caught in the tank's deva, or the mages' nova/inferno. These "loose" mobs soon end up attacking a dd and poof! dd eats dirt.

These are really simple things that the new breed of clerics constantly fail at.

I.t.o clerics "ruling", the biggest contribution a cleric brings to a party is to increase the survivability of party members. With the advent of SC and all the cookies/extenders that come with it, enhanced armour, blue shirts with +300~+500hp, statted armour with high END, marriage buff, guild buff and +2 pets, there are countless other ways to increase survivability. A cleric is thus not essential to a party makeup. In fact, I have sometimes found that clerics disrupt the flow of the party-grind tactic by over-healing the tank (and why do clerics not cast restore on the tank when they start their pull?? Simple things.).

But ultimately, a cleric is useful to a party, making the party significantly more efficient, though only a little more effective (via cleric party buffs).

[owen5ray]

im a claric and i think if they mock and laugh at us for being "overpowered' they come running back for buffs all i say is no if we're so overpowered use fighter buffs and we use hp SO HEAR THAT NO BUFF IF YA LAUGH AT US clarics are underpowered i think we deserve a aoe

[ashen_shugar]

Perhaps clerics ruled in days which are now long gone.

I remember a time when clerics actually knew how to keep a party alive; how to increase or decrease the amount of aggro they generate, and do so correctly dependent on the situation; when to use invince and when not to use it; how to clank and still keep a party alive; etc. etc.

These days good clerics, unfortunately, make up a small percentage of the cleric population. In no way can clerics claim to "rule" Fiesta when we (i.e. the majority of clerics) don't even know how to heal properly.





You have never partied with a Cleric like me then. I take pride in keeping my PT alive. The way I look at it is if the other members look at their bar and continue to see it topped off, then they can worry about the killing. And we all get what we need.


Having said that though I will point out that when in a PT like I was for muds not long ago, not allowing a Cleric to get some drops will result in an angry Cleric as he watches people get theirs, go cash it in and get another one and fill that as well. Sometimes it is the fault of the PT and greedy people in it that cause Clerics to allow them to die. Even after I asked to get some drops I was refused, even had mine taken when I went and killed one on my own. If it was meant for me and they couldn't get it they would house up on it till they could. Being a nice guy I was more concerned with keeping them alive then trying to auto pickup and wasn't PT leader so couldn't change allocation.

Other than that I will keep pt healed and after a one or 2 hit, rev as quick as possible. And Quicken invince as much as possible.

[globule]

<snipped>
Even after I asked to get some drops I was refused, even had mine taken when I went and killed one on my own. If it was meant for me and they couldn't get it they would house up on it till they could. Being a nice guy I was more concerned with keeping them alive then trying to auto pickup and wasn't PT leader so couldn't change allocation.
<snipped>

You, my friend, deserves the medal for niceness.
Personally, I would probably have quit the party at that point.

[oldclown]

Wow there was a day when cleric ruled fiesta and knew how to heal? I need a time machine seriously. Honestly I am sad to say that I am one of the "new generation" as my one friend says who has been playing early. It is kind of sad listening to not only oldies but my fellow "new" people insult me. Also since I took it upon myself to try and break the idea of "battle clerics being morons" stereotype I am shunned by almost all.

In the long run I am just hoping that eventually some people asides from my friend know that i actually heal well. Also maybe battle clerics such as myself wont be looked at as some moron who is bash happy and cant heal.