Opinions on classes

[Kitysedai]

What is your opinion on the classes in general? Please no giant rants, just your general feeling on how each class is good and/or bad. Or ideas for improvements.

Acolyte: I always play a healer, so of course this was my first choice. Sadly I am not impressed with this class yet. (Except imo they have the best clothes :p). Ok I know healers are not supossed to be a big melee dmg class, but seriously they are way too weak even for a healer.

Rogue: So far I like this class, they do a fair amount of dmg and dont die in one hit. Their first dmg skill is pretty good (and the name scare is different enough to work). More on this after I level some more.

Mage: This is my favorite now, the mp pots are insane because go thru so many or have to sit down every other kill, but other than that I like it so far. I am tho hearing complaints about how the next level of skills doesnt go up much on dmg, almost there so we will see.

Will add Fighter soon as I start working on that one.

[nintendo962]

I think Apocolyte need ALOT of work.Just me.

[rezenderay]

The classes are fairly balanced in my opinion, except for rogues which doesn't seem to evade attacks even though you put every point you get on Agility -_-" They could at least evade 15~20% on the beggining...
The worst problem for every class is that they're all sitting ducks. It's like killing 2~3 mobs (1~2 for acolytes and mages) and sitting to recover HP and MP. I really hope they do smth about it on OB. Maybe cheaper pots, maybe easier mobs, maybe more HP/MP regen or anything else.
If they fix this, all classes wouldn't need a lot of work, or any at all ;)

[Cadexn]

rogue needed the most work, but unfortunately, i accidentally voted on fighter >_>

anyway, at the same lv with my fighter, rogue has lower overall DPS (extremely low normal damage), lower HP, and quite an insignificant crit/dodge. while other classes has their own specialties, rogues has nothing.

this data is based on a lv 20 rogues, so i'm guessing some of the traits are for late-game.

[Ettibby]

wow i just tied the votes for Acolyte and rogue >.<

[Alastor1996]

The classes are fairly balanced in my opinion, except for rogues which doesn't seem to evade attacks even though you put every point you get on Agility -_-" They could at least evade 15~20% on the beggining...
The worst problem for every class is that they're all sitting ducks. It's like killing 2~3 mobs (1~2 for acolytes and mages) and sitting to recover HP and MP. I really hope they do smth about it on OB. Maybe cheaper pots, maybe easier mobs, maybe more HP/MP regen or anything else.
If they fix this, all classes wouldn't need a lot of work, or any at all ;)What do you mean CHEAPER potions? Money in this game is so easy to get, I could buy 500 potions at lv20. And fighter always had to buy 400 potions per level if they are grinding without resting at lv20+ (which I did from 20-26, and still had 50K spare.)

[Sheizou_Marizou]

There are no archers?

[bigsoadfan]

There are no archers?

there are. just not as a starter class, but can be "upgraded" from rogue at lvl 45 (I think)
but to answer the thread:
I believe that mages need least worrying - only thing they should care is mana consumption. now, I train on 4th map, and most monsters aren't aggressive, so this may change with their appearance.
I also don't think fighters should be right in front of them if we count solo hunting, and (oh, pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaseeeee) stop saying that acolyte is underpowered - it's freaking support class, ok? all they do is heal, as well tankers "tank". really bad thing for them is that they (as an every support class in every mmorpg from time they're made) can only level in party.

[Keniten]

Yeah, At Level 45 You can become an archer from a rogue....it says you give up all your rogue skills...and become an archer...Looks interesting...:D

[rezenderay]

What do you mean CHEAPER potions? Money in this game is so easy to get, I could buy 500 potions at lv20. And fighter always had to buy 400 potions per level if they are grinding without resting at lv20+ (which I did from 20-26, and still had 50K spare.)
Well, my mage got bankrupt on lvl 18 because I was spending every penny to buy MP pots so that my last name wouldn't be "Sitting-duck". Well, MAYBE I'm just too unlucky, but you see, after lvl 20 I would need to buy equips and skills WITH NO MONEY XD. "Cheaper pots" was a comparison between the income and the cost for all the pots you need to buy. Pots are 50$ but I needed 2 or 3 per mob, and the mob hardly, if EVER, gives me 150$ on drops (if smth falls, that is XD).
I don't mind pot spamming games (Diablo FTW!), but its insane money-wise on SoS.
Well, that's my feedback for the game XD. I hope they do smth about it, btw.
Cya!

[MoloMowChow]

I demand Rogues get more attention!

[Kitysedai]

there are. just not as a starter class, but can be "upgraded" from rogue at lvl 45 (I think)
but to answer the thread:
I believe that mages need least worrying - only thing they should care is mana consumption. now, I train on 4th map, and most monsters aren't aggressive, so this may change with their appearance.
I also don't think fighters should be right in front of them if we count solo hunting, and (oh, pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaseeeee) stop saying that acolyte is underpowered - it's freaking support class, ok? all they do is heal, as well tankers "tank". really bad thing for them is that they (as an every support class in every mmorpg from time they're made) can only level in party.

Lol every mmorpg huh? Evidentally there are some you never played, or you never play healers. On EQ I have solod all 3 healers classes very well, cant solo a raid mob but no class can.... As well as a healer on various other games I have played, generally have been able to solo a bit if not completely. So unless you have played a healer on EVERY mmorpg ever made then dont say something like that. Heck on EQ my druid can outtank and outdamage many of the actual "tanks", so yea healers CAN solo on some games if not all......

[bustaqwerty]

in every mmo healers arent just for support, of course theyll lack in power, but later theyll get some of it. it isnt impossible to solo, just more work than the other classes due to their lack of offensive spells. i do gotta admit though, acos are real hard to lvl here.

[ajz630]

well i pesonaly think that there should be magician, warrior,thief, and archer rather than having the rouge become an archer,and have the magician become a mage or cleric

[Cadexn]

that would really be a CLONE to RO :P

but funny tho, a magician turns to a mage.. and a rogue that turns to a.. archer?!

[Lincos]

Ugh, ajz, *** you talking about? are actually even playing the beta?

Anyway. I am going to vote Acolyte becuse its the only class i've gone and the melee damage i'm dealing is around 1-5. Magic damage is alright obviously not as powerfull as a Magicians. But the MP usage is unbelieveable I'm sitting down more than I stand. Solo'ing is hard but its to be expected.

And a Rogue can go 2 ways, Archer or Felon

[xLance]

I think Apocolyte need ALOT of work.Just me.

Your signature alone makes you sound silly. Your a XENIAN till level 16. Your no class untill then. Dont post like you know classes, when all your classes are the same.

[xLance]

Lol every mmorpg huh? Evidentally there are some you never played, or you never play healers. On EQ I have solod all 3 healers classes very well, cant solo a raid mob but no class can.... As well as a healer on various other games I have played, generally have been able to solo a bit if not completely. So unless you have played a healer on EVERY mmorpg ever made then dont say something like that. Heck on EQ my druid can outtank and outdamage many of the actual "tanks", so yea healers CAN solo on some games if not all......

Hybrid healer's arent the same. Your actually the one that's wrong.

[cornRipper]

I haven't gotten to start a fighter yet so can't speak an opinoin on that. BUT I'd have to say Rogue. I mean Acolyte does over all seam to need work cus of the difficulty to work with it but it's fine. Rogue though as no high point and no real advatage. In my personal opinion the only true good reason to pick a rogue is if you like archers and that is the only way to become one.

PS. ALL of the classes need graphic design makeovers.


iN soMe cuLTurEs, wHAt I dO Is norMAl.

[Kitysedai]

Hybrid healer's arent the same. Your actually the one that's wrong.

Actually my healers arent hybrid on EQ, I do the "recommended" stats on them and pump up their sta and cha as high as I can, they are just different there. Example Druid gets a form that has a very large mana regen tick and also has nukes, although the nukes are nowhere near what my wizard can do they come close to a mage nuke. Also healers on many games have very good buffs (as in my druid who can buff ac, hp, wis, cha, and also has a dmg shield and a health regen spell, also group and aoe heals and buffs). I know this isnt EQ so dont even say it. But I think a few tweaks would be nice for healer classes on SoS and a few other games as well. I mean come one hit for 1-5 dmg at lvl 20..... a little sad if you ask me, I dont want to hit like a rogue or anything, but 20-30 dmg wouldnt be asking all that much >.>

[seijoru]

Rogues are fairly weak considering all I do is spam scare and even that isnt enough dmg for me. Dodge is useless from what I've seen and samething with crit. They need to work on the AGI stat.

[zakari]

All classes are fine. Since when acolytes are supposed to be good at melee? You use illusion quake with them, not melee attacks :O My lvl 16 acolyte hit mob for 50-60 damage with illusion quake. I saw higher lvl acolyte hitting for decent damage too. And rogues? I read people saying that AGL start to make a difference at around lvl 25+. You pump AGL, not POW. Sorry but acolyte and rogues players have nothing to complain about.

[Kitysedai]

Everyone has a right to their opinion tho. And as far as Acolytes (mages as well) not intended for melee dmg, this is true but come on 1-5 dmg is a bit silly, watse mana on that extra cast when a mob has like 20hp left.....

[Rakushune]

Everyone has a right to their opinion tho. And as far as Acolytes (mages as well) not intended for melee dmg, this is true but come on 1-5 dmg is a bit silly, watse mana on that extra cast when a mob has like 20hp left.....

Ya, adding a little bit of attack on aco and mage weapons to let them do at least a little bit of melee damage won't break the game.

As I said in the other thread about rogues, the rogues need a lot of work early on espacially from 16-30 where it's the toughest for them but having leveled up to 40, I do admit that given you spend you stat points correctly, they do become a pretty good class.

I don't really buy terms like "late-bloomers" and what not, all classes should be viable and effective at what they're made to do, it shouldn't take the player a few days just to get a taste of what they might be able to do later on.

Total rework of rogue class? Not really. A re-balance? Most definitely. I would like to know how dodge rating works in this game to get a deeper understanding of game mechanics so I know how to better tune my character for efficiency.

A FAQ about how various stats like dodge, attack power and work in-game would be very nice to see.

[thedo12]

I think all the classes are underpowerd in general but that could have to do with us nor being ble to increase our skill levels

[Kitysedai]

Agreed on both, a stat guide would be nice, a REAL one that actually gives a bit more in-depth explanation on how each stat is affected.

Not being able to actually lvl up a skill is kinda new to me, yes there is tier 2 etc but actually raising the basic skill would be nice.

[kingkee]

Well, my mage got bankrupt on lvl 18 because I was spending every penny to buy MP pots so that my last name wouldn't be "Sitting-duck". Well, MAYBE I'm just too unlucky, but you see, after lvl 20 I would need to buy equips and skills WITH NO MONEY XD. "Cheaper pots" was a comparison between the income and the cost for all the pots you need to buy. Pots are 50$ but I needed 2 or 3 per mob, and the mob hardly, if EVER, gives me 150$ on drops (if smth falls, that is XD).
I don't mind pot spamming games (Diablo FTW!), but its insane money-wise on SoS.
Well, that's my feedback for the game XD. I hope they do smth about it, btw.
Cya!

my magician can kill a mob without pots, but the thing is, i have to rest to regen. now, i am working on my level in at least level 5 maps with my lvl 25 magician, spamming mana pots. i think it's all about hard work and patience to avoid getting bankrupt.

[Summer_breeze]

personally i like archers cuz you can shoot from a far distance and like all the others the attacks depend on their levels example you have a slime you can defeat it far away without it even hurting you thats why i like archers

[dadakmj]

I think so far mages and rogues are fine. It does suck for rogues that adding agi doesn't seem to do a whole lot at low levels (26 atm) but I guess I'll find out in the coming days how good a rogue actually is. I've yet to test fighter and acolyte. I plan on trying those 2 in OB and hopefully finding a character i enjoy the most.

...I don't agree a acolyte needs to get a damage increase for the simple fact they are meant for groups and shouldn't really be soloing a whole lot anyway. If they get some decent damage you may as well give all classes a half decent heal =p Besides, once the game goes into OB i have a feeling the acolyte class will have no problem finding groups to lvl with.

-my 2 cents

[Morrik]

but 20-30 dmg wouldnt be asking all that much >.>


umm hate to tell you this but it kinda is Rouges (without scare) only hit 20-40 damage and not much faster his game relies on skills thats why their spamable hit once scare once hit once scare once making attack speed almost obsolete until i get it way higher up and until i get to archer

now maybe you would want a skill with low Mp cost (like scare) and does maybe 20-50 damage?

Scare only takes 3mp

[Kitysedai]

umm hate to tell you this but it kinda is Rouges (without scare) only hit 20-40 damage and not much faster his game relies on skills thats why their spamable hit once scare once hit once scare once making attack speed almost obsolete until i get it way higher up and until i get to archer

now maybe you would want a skill with low Mp cost (like scare) and does maybe 20-50 damage?

Scare only takes 3mp

ummmm maybe a real low lvl rogue ( I have acolyte, mage and rogue), their damage does go up a bit more than that..... I dont mean to say a lvl 16 acolyte should have 20 dmg or so but at lvl 30+ it would be nice..... but at this point even 10-15 dmg wouldnt be bad, sure beats 1-5 >.>



As for acolytes shouldnt be soloing, they should be in groups.... maybe once OB hits but atm finding a DECENT grp can be a pain, since half of the people go afk or you have a grp of 5 or more and everyone seems to want to go a different direction..... Or you get people who refuse to put loot on random and half the grp are greedy lil ***** who think they need it ALL... (even stuff they cant use ... like a rogue picking up +1 acolyte gear and keeping it even with 3 acolytes in the group). Until people learn what a grp is about I prefer to solo most the time.

[Silv3rssakt]

what game are u talking about?

[Psiblade94122]

ummmm maybe a real low lvl rogue ( I have acolyte, mage and rogue), their damage does go up a bit more than that..... I dont mean to say a lvl 16 acolyte should have 20 dmg or so but at lvl 30+ it would be nice..... but at this point even 10-15 dmg wouldnt be bad, sure beats 1-5 >.>



As for acolytes shouldnt be soloing, they should be in groups.... maybe once OB hits but atm finding a DECENT grp can be a pain, since half of the people go afk or you have a grp of 5 or more and everyone seems to want to go a different direction..... Or you get people who refuse to put loot on random and half the grp are greedy lil ***** who think they need it ALL... (even stuff they cant use ... like a rogue picking up +1 acolyte gear and keeping it even with 3 acolytes in the group). Until people learn what a grp is about I prefer to solo most the time.

if people refuse to group share, then find new players, or start a party of your own, i too am an aco and i found no problems making parties that where willing to share. (or has the times changed that much over the past few days...) Really... if there are people who like to keep things to themselves, either ask the leader for a boot of that player because if he wants the items he can solo, he'll get more items that way anyways, that way with the greedy players soloing, you will be left with hopefully shared exp and shared items.

As for the classes, i tend to think of it this way....

fighter (the glass tank) - The only class that is uber nerfed by bugged stats (the stat "men") so they are left as glass tanks, dealing above average damage while reqireing a aco to constantly heal them because drinking 30hp pots arnt good enough

rouge (the tank thats made of something more fragil then glass) - at first glance, one of the weakest classes... but once they hit level 36 they start to shine, with skills like invisable and core posion (i think thats right) or their disable, compleatly stunns the target (same effect, creep cant do anything) while you can freely wack away. not to mention they are one of the only two classes with the ability to branch into two classes (archer, and assasin <skipping the one i cant pronounce/remember>), ah one thing about agi, it increses crit too, and it also increses attack (every 2 points = 1 atk) so at high levels... you will have fast attackers, and hard hitters with crit... a very good class if you patent enough to level

mage (the glass cannon) - the glass cannon, nothing much really, they just spam nukes all day (especaly since the cast time is so short) pretty fun, altho at times its a pain warping in and out to repot your used mp pots

aco (healbot and buffbot that is made out of glass) - buffbot and healbot. thats all we are, your dps is crap (lower then starting rouges) and our disable is crap (if the opponent is hit, the buff is dispelled) all we are good for is leeching exp and items while healing and buffing everyone and everything we see. This is only for people who will work well with other people, else you will have a hard time soloing...

thats right.. IMO all classes are made out of glass! (meaning they lose their hp really fast)

[zakari]

As for the classes, i tend to think of it this way....

fighter (the glass tank) - The only class that is uber nerfed by bugged stats (the stat "men") so they are left as glass tanks, dealing above average damage while reqireing a aco to constantly heal them because drinking 30hp pots arnt good enough


*AHEM* we are not glass cannons. MEN doesn't increase defense in the korean version (our version is exactly like the korean one). Our armor has better defense than all the other classes. Add bless and our defense is even better. It's only a matter of time until GMs implement the better potions since the korean version have them.

[Psiblade94122]

never seid you where glass cannons, i seid you where glass tanks XD (you guys can tank, but you hp still goes down pretty fast, but thats prolly due to my mistake of of mobbing aggros from running from another aggro then the fighter haveing to catch it ><)

wait.. if men dosent work in the korean version either, then whats it for? only crit and skill crit? cuz my casting speed dosent decrese either (as the site and various guide clames it would)

and i know you have the toughest armor, but still the creeps hit you hard.... <depending on your level and party> and yes bless rocks, altho only a +12 def for level 2 bless is a bit of a letdown for me... for all those levels reqired to upgrade it i was expecting something with a bigger bang... (bless1 = +10, bless2 = +12)

[zakari]

Don't forget that we can enchant the armor with xen stones (there aren't a lot of them for now though) + possibly cash shop items that can increase def even more. For now classes aren't at their best because the server is still young. After a few months it will be better.

edit: MEN doesn't decrease the casting speed in the korean/english version. It increases hit rate, critical and skill critical.

[xLance]

Don't forget that we can enchant the armor with xen stones (there aren't a lot of them for now though) + possibly cash shop items that can increase def even more. For now classes aren't at their best because the server is still young. After a few months it will be better.

edit: MEN doesn't decrease the casting speed in the korean/english version. It increases hit rate, critical and skill critical.

Stop saying korean. Japanese.

And MEN does decrease casting speed. It also affect's dodge at certain intervals.

[zakari]

Stop saying korean. Japanese.

And MEN does decrease casting speed. It also affect's dodge at certain intervals.

I'll test if Men decreases casting speed later. No I will not stop saying korean because for the last time, our version is the same as the korean one. The japanese one is different from the other versions.

edit: it does affect dodge like you said. I forgot to add that earlier.

edit2: unless you need 4543543 MEN or it only works with magic spells, MEN doesn't affect the casting speed oO

[DESOUL]

Well, my mage got bankrupt on lvl 18 because I was spending every penny to buy MP pots so that my last name wouldn't be "Sitting-duck". Well, MAYBE I'm just too unlucky, but you see, after lvl 20 I would need to buy equips and skills WITH NO MONEY XD. "Cheaper pots" was a comparison between the income and the cost for all the pots you need to buy. Pots are 50$ but I needed 2 or 3 per mob, and the mob hardly, if EVER, gives me 150$ on drops (if smth falls, that is XD).
I don't mind pot spamming games (Diablo FTW!), but its insane money-wise on SoS.
Well, that's my feedback for the game XD. I hope they do smth about it, btw.
Cya!

Poor dude :P
No fear , in latter lvls like 30+ potions and magic shield medicine isn't a isue xD
I hate to sit and recover so i always get 300 pots and 50 mana shield medicines when i go hunting :P
Run out and reapeat => buy 300/50 and go level xD

[DESOUL]

Well and now on topic:
Well actually i really don't see any problems in Acolytes or Rogues.
Rogue = has that blind side with stuns the opponent for a few seconds and they use normal attack while skilling to deal alot of damage. Latter on they get invis wich is really useful and a skill that rises dodge rate by 10%.
You say rogues got 15-20% dodge? Wow thats nice, i'm a mage and i got like 1% or less, in other words i never dodge -.-

Acolyte = hm i've voted for them, ppl that complain about acolytes not having high damage isn't right, i've seen acolytes that do 120 damage with quake per hit. You just should ballance your builds FULL INT if you want maximum damage.
And anyways Acolytes were ment for support, not combat supperiority. They start specializing in combat when they become Predictors (and yet theyr weak at start BECAUSE) like other classes start at lv16 they job, Predictor just starts at lv45, so yes he'll be weak at the beggining, but other classes gain 2-n pross at 66, predictor at 80. (In other words predictor isn't you 2-nd class, its the 1-st one just like Mage,Acolyte)
But yes i'd have to agree that acolytes have low healing capabilities, i'd vote for that to be increased (for Aco/Cleric and not for Predictors)

Mage = now about the mage, well everithing in generally is fine BUT the damage difference betwen skills and they lvls is really miserable.
Like damage difference betwen lv 16 and 21 spell is like 5 DMG, 5 not 20 not 50 but 5 (at the cost of +1mp per use -.-)!!
The damage i heard of lv1 and lv2 lightning difers like in 30 or so, thats pretty lame i think, you need 20 lvls to get from lv1 to lv2 lightning and 30 damage is all you get? bah!
The Fire spell at 46 is pretty much weak too, its like 20 damage stronger than lightning lv2? Nonsese -.-I'd really like GM's to look into this isue and increase the damage when leveling or changing to a better spell.

Fighter = well not much to say here, i've seen them in action, almost the same as rogues.

[xLance]

Well and now on topic:
Well actually i really don't see any problems in Acolytes or Rogues.
Rogue = has that blind side with stuns the opponent for a few seconds and they use normal attack while skilling to deal alot of damage. Latter on they get invis wich is really useful and a skill that rises dodge rate by 10%.
You say rogues got 15-20% dodge? Wow thats nice, i'm a mage and i got like 1% or less, in other words i never dodge -.-

Acolyte = hm i've voted for them, ppl that complain about acolytes not having high damage isn't right, i've seen acolytes that do 120 damage with quake per hit. You just should ballance your builds FULL INT if you want maximum damage.
And anyways Acolytes were ment for support, not combat supperiority. They start specializing in combat when they become Predictors (and yet theyr weak at start BECAUSE) like other classes start at lv16 they job, Predictor just starts at lv45, so yes he'll be weak at the beggining, but other classes gain 2-n pross at 66, predictor at 80. (In other words predictor isn't you 2-nd class, its the 1-st one just like Mage,Acolyte)
But yes i'd have to agree that acolytes have low healing capabilities, i'd vote for that to be increased (for Aco/Cleric and not for Predictors)

Mage = now about the mage, well everithing in generally is fine BUT the damage difference betwen skills and they lvls is really miserable.
Like damage difference betwen lv 16 and 21 spell is like 5 DMG, 5 not 20 not 50 but 5 (at the cost of +1mp per use -.-)!!
The damage i heard of lv1 and lv2 lightning difers like in 30 or so, thats pretty lame i think, you need 20 lvls to get from lv1 to lv2 lightning and 30 damage is all you get? bah!
The Fire spell at 46 is pretty much weak too, its like 20 damage stronger than lightning lv2? Nonsese -.-I'd really like GM's to look into this isue and increase the damage when leveling or changing to a better spell.

Fighter = well not much to say here, i've seen them in action, almost the same as rogues.

120 per quake hit when your level 35. Mage's do that damage at 21. Besides, Acolyte's get the best skill in the game. Refer to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msK4b229qo

The damage difference between Mind Blast (16) and Lightning (21) is around 40. You get lightning 2 and fire around the same levels. Whats the problem here that fire is stronger?




I'll test if Men decreases casting speed later. No I will not stop saying korean because for the last time, our version is the same as the korean one. The japanese one is different from the other versions.

edit: it does affect dodge like you said. I forgot to add that earlier.

edit2: unless you need 4543543 MEN or it only works with magic spells, MEN doesn't affect the casting speed oO

Ok.. I hate to break it to you buddy. But the Japanese version, and the Korean version are exactly the same.

The ratio of men to -.1 cast speed is the same as dex to run speed. It's rather high, but it does exist.

[zakari]

The japanese version and the korean version ARE NOT THE SAME. But oh well since you are so stubborn, I will show you...

We'll compare the skill of fighters of the japanese version and the korean version. Carefully check the skill lvl requirement

japanese version: http://dod.s201.xrea.com/xo/wiki.xcg?page=%A5%D5%A5%A1%A5%A4%A5%BF%A1%BC%2D%A5 %B9%A5%AD%A5%EB

korean version:
http://xenguide.pe.kr/bbs/zboard.php?category=2&id=203&page=1&page_num=18&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&keyword=&select_arrange=sitelink2&desc=asc

english version: well check by yourself in-game

Don't you notice that the japanese version have some skills that doesn't exist in the korean and the english version? Did you also notice that the lvl requirement for skills is not the same? Also, a japanese player himself told me that his version is not the same. Is it that hard to understand? Oh yea, check the 3rd class of the fighter. It's paladin. In the korean and english version, it is warrior. Check the skills again. Now go back to your seat.

For the last time, MEN doesn't decrease casting speed. I tested it earlier. If I can see a difference between 1,2 and 1,3 attack speed, then I would have seen a difference in casting speed too. Where did you get your info? On the japanese wiki? XD Weird because even on the japanese wiki, it says that MEN affects the reuse delay on skills, not the casting speed. I didn't see that written in the korean website so I can't confirm that. There's a few words that babelfish couldn't translate ><

[MasterOfYou]

Acolytes, my version so far...

Acolytes pretty weak compared to the other classes, would be easier if you didn't have to re-target for a heal, but who cares?

[xLance]

The japanese version and the korean version ARE NOT THE SAME. But oh well since you are so stubborn, I will show you...

We'll compare the skill of fighters of the japanese version and the korean version. Carefully check the skill lvl requirement

japanese version: http://dod.s201.xrea.com/xo/wiki.xcg?page=%A5%D5%A5%A1%A5%A4%A5%BF%A1%BC%2D%A5 %B9%A5%AD%A5%EB

korean version:
http://xenguide.pe.kr/bbs/zboard.php?category=2&id=203&page=1&page_num=18&sn=off&ss=on&sc=on&keyword=&select_arrange=sitelink2&desc=asc

english version: well check by yourself in-game

Don't you notice that the japanese version have some skills that doesn't exist in the korean and the english version? Did you also notice that the lvl requirement for skills is not the same? Also, a japanese player himself told me that his version is not the same. Is it that hard to understand? Oh yea, check the 3rd class of the fighter. It's paladin. In the korean and english version, it is warrior. Check the skills again. Now go back to your seat.

For the last time, MEN doesn't decrease casting speed. I tested it earlier. If I can see a difference between 1,2 and 1,3 attack speed, then I would have seen a difference in casting speed too. Where did you get your info? On the japanese wiki? XD Weird because even on the japanese wiki, it says that MEN affects the reuse delay on skills, not the casting speed. I didn't see that written in the korean website so I can't confirm that. There's a few words that babelfish couldn't translate ><

The difference in skill level's isnt changing the game. If your basing your arguement on a few skills being 10 levels apart, your pretty sad.

The reason why word's are different, is because your using babelfish to translate. You testing it earlier? Tell me, what is the dex requirement for +1 movement speed? Or what's the amount of agility that start's giving you +1 attack every single point, instead of every other point? I know stuff because i play foreign games.

Your pretty pathetic.

[zakari]

I said DIFFERENT VERSION, NOT DIFFERENT GAME! YOU are the pathetic one here. Did you bother checking my links?

the reason why word's are different, is because your using babelfish to translate. You testing it earlier? Tell me, what is the dex requirement for +1 movement speed? Or what's the amount of agility that start's giving you +1 attack every single point, instead of every other point? I know stuff because i play foreign games.

What does that have to do with the topic? You're totally missing the point here. Wether you know stuff about foreign games or not have nothing to do with the topic. If you are wrong, you are wrong. I also know where I can find infos about secondary stats (hit rate, critical, etc.): the japanese wiki. It's all written there. I couldn't find a korean wiki yet but it's a matter of time until I find one. No, you don't impress me. I won't bother restatting my character to check how much AGL (not dex) you need to get +1 movement speed and etc. That's not the point of the topic.

Stop being in denial.

edit: babelfish is pretty accurate most of the time.

[Psiblade94122]

umm dude, i checked the links, my comp cant read the text (show sharacters as "?") so if those are pretty much useless to me (not to mention i cant read jap, your on a english fourm too, dont expect everyone to be able to understand asian languages)

as for agi increseing attackspeed.. so far from tests they do indeed increse attack speed
agi= 1 = 1.4 atsp
agi= 2 = 1.3 atsp
agi= 16= 1.2 atsp
<didnt level rouge high enough, will check again with aco>
from that info i would think it would be... if agi is two then -.1 atkspd, else, if agi is a multiple of 15 +2 then -.1 atkspd

as for the cast times, as much as i pump men, all i get are the crits and a few doge points, nothing else (will check again, the check was done yesterday so i have to confirm)

and its useless compareing this version with the korean and jap versions because most people cannot confirm if both are exactly the same, and your playing the english version so why bother doing that?

[zakari]

Because I know that some people (me included) based their infos on the japanese version. You couldn't read the text because you don't have the language pack installed. But still, you just need to look at the skill icons and compare it with the japanese, korean and our version. The numbers next to the skill icon are the lvl at which you acquire this skill. xlance doesn't want to admit that the japanese version have skills that doesn't exist in the korean and english version. That's the case for every classes too.

There are people who want to know what does what and for now the only way to do that is by checking the foreign sites. I was also checking the japanese websites until I realized that some infos were not matching. And then a japanese player told me that their version is different from the others :( Anyway, I just want to warn those who are concerned that they should check korean websites for class and other information, not the japanese ones.

edit: thanks for confirming my thought about MEN and casting speed :D

[Psiblade94122]

i know i do not have the language packs installed, and i most likely wont install them, im not getting it installed just to look at sites i cant even read...

as for the sites, as much as the icons look pretty, this will do me no good because i cant read it, even with a language pack i cant read it... as i stated before, this is an english website, do not expect everyone here to be able to read asian languages

[Kitysedai]

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR IMMATURE ARGUEMENTS GUYS ENOUGH NOW OR i WILL HAVE IT CLOSED! GROW UP

[DESOUL]

120 per quake hit when your level 35. Mage's do that damage at 21. Besides, Acolyte's get the best skill in the game. Refer to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3msK4b229qo

The damage difference between Mind Blast (16) and Lightning (21) is around 40. You get lightning 2 and fire around the same levels. Whats the problem here that fire is stronger?






Ok.. I hate to break it to you buddy. But the Japanese version, and the Korean version are exactly the same.

The ratio of men to -.1 cast speed is the same as dex to run speed. It's rather high, but it does exist.

Are you mocking me? Show me 2 screenshots at lv 21 where Mind Blast and Lightning have 40 damage difference please. If you didn't test it yourself then keep quiet got it?
If you don't know anything or tested it yourself don't post bull**** read from other sites ok?
I'm a lv 41 mage and i should know better -.-

[Kitysedai]

Obviously ppl dont listen so I will have this thread closed shortly....

[zakari]

THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR IMMATURE ARGUEMENTS GUYS ENOUGH NOW OR i WILL HAVE IT CLOSED! GROW UP

Say that to xlance and her condescending posts. Posting in caps will not help though. You are not our mom. However, I agree that this topic should be closed.

Pisblade, I know that not everyone can read asian language. However, people have the right to know what foreign websites have good infos about SoS, english or not.

edit: for the last time Kitisedai, it's because of xlance and her posts that this thread became a flamefest.

[Kitysedai]

Say that to xlance and her condescending posts. Posting in caps will not help though. You are not our mom. However, I agree that this topic should be closed.

Pisblade, I know that not everyone can read asian language. However, people have the right to know what foreign websites have good infos about SoS, english or not.

edit: for the last time Kitisedai, it's because of xlance and her posts that this thread became a flamefest.

ummm how is caps acting like your mom???? my point on the maturity level around here just from that comment. also blaming shows a lot of maturity.... keeping the arguement going makes all the people involved on the same level.

Last off topic comment or else it will be closed, stay on topic just like any other thread..... seems people dont understand that concept though.

[TheJello]

Say that to xlance and her condescending posts. Posting in caps will not help though. You are not our mom. However, I agree that this topic should be closed.
edit: for the last time Kitisedai, it's because of xlance and her posts that this thread became a flamefest.

Alright. And as Kity said, blaming other's just shows how mature you are. If you don't think it's your fault, stay out of it. Don't come in and blame others.
However, after reading what was going on, and then looking over what you just said about her not being your mom, I have come to the conclusion that you could really use one. One that will actually smack sense back into you guys.

Fine, someone had a disagreement with another. It happens all the time. Everyone does not think the same way. That doesn't mean you have to flame left and right for so long. Just end it. Don't make other people end it for you. If you end it yourself, you are more mature than most on this site. But then again it would surprise me to find someone who can do just that...

[FirestormReborn]

Are you mocking me? Show me 2 screenshots at lv 21 where Mind Blast and Lightning have 40 damage difference please. If you didn't test it yourself then keep quiet got it?
If you don't know anything or tested it yourself don't post bull**** read from other sites ok?
I'm a lv 41 mage and i should know better -.-

Just for the record... Lightning does do 30 damage over mind blast. 90's for MB at 21, 120's for Lightning at 21.

And also, xLance was level 4x before anyone. She might know a thing or two.

[zakari]

Alright. And as Kity said, blaming other's just shows how mature you are. If you don't think it's your fault, stay out of it. Don't come in and blame others.
However, after reading what was going on, and then looking over what you just said about her not being your mom, I have come to the conclusion that you could really use one. One that will actually smack sense back into you guys.

Fine, someone had a disagreement with another. It happens all the time. Everyone does not think the same way. That doesn't mean you have to flame left and right for so long. Just end it. Don't make other people end it for you. If you end it yourself, you are more mature than most on this site. But then again it would surprise me to find someone who can do just that...

I had to defend what I said... got a problem with that? I didn't need to call anyone names to do that. This stupid argument wasn't about someone's opinion. This was about who's right and who's wrong. I proved my statements . xlance resorted on insults.

So those who have nothing to do with the topic at all like you and Kity better stay away from it. Being mature is also minding your own business, which you didn't do here, Jello. POSTING IN CAPS TO TELL THE OTHERS TO GROW UP, KITY, IS NOT GOING TO HELP THE SITUATION, IT JUST MAKE IT WORSE! Brilliant idea you got there. Last time I check, if you want people to calm down or grow up, you don't post that in caps.

btw xlance was a fighter, not a mage. And she wasn't lvl 44. We don't know what lvl she really was.

edit: I WILL ask for the topic to be closed, not you nor Jello. I AM concerned in that argument, I AM going to settle this by myself. I didn't start the flamefest (that doesn't mean that I wasn't hostile though), I don't care if you think that I'm mature or not. You don't know me.

[FirestormReborn]

btw xlance was a fighter, not a mage. And she wasn't lvl 44. We don't know what lvl she really was.

She was a fighter yes. And she WAS 44. She definatly had 1k HP, and was in Advanced Lab runs with us for a long while. Dont know many level 26's who have /done either.

Well, i guess she didnt have to be 44. But definatly 30+, and id say ATLEAST 800 hp. I dont know forumula's, but that's like 40 right?

[zakari]

I remember in her screenshot that he had a lot of STA and like 900+ hp. I have 377 hp with 4 STA at lvl 34 so I guess she was in her lvl 30+ like you said. Impossible that she had 900+ hp at lvl 44 with low STA.

lol we killed the topic, now time to get this closed :P

[DESOUL]

Obviously ppl dont listen so I will have this thread closed shortly....

Look kitty, i don't get it whats your problem or why you have to argue with anyone for off-topic posts, your just a normal member like anyone here so just skip it and move to another thread if you don't like the debates here.Not like anyone would listen and stay quiet, i wouldn't cause some ppl that just read something on other sites and so on try to make me look wrong when i tested things myself, and you can even confirm it yourself being a 2x mage.

P.S. Damage Screenshots coming shortly.

Mind Blast lv1

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1575/10122ae6mq6.th.jpg (http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10122ae6mq6.jpg)

Lightnint lv1

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/5319/10122ae7db5.th.jpg (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=10122ae7db5.jpg)

I Guess you can count right?

[zakari]

Nice post Lawful :D You pretty much said what I wanted to say but in a nicer way. +1 to your rep!

Yea I'm posting a lot lately but since I know where this topic might end up, it's better to close it :(

[Kitysedai]

Because I started the damn post so if ya'll wanna act like a bunch of immature little idiots go ahead. WHine and cry some more, name call and threaten people.... just shows that not one of you has respect for anyone. Warn me I BETTER stay out of it?? Oh wow threats on a forum grow up you losers. Keep your petty fight going I really dont care anymore. ALl of you need some serious help.

[zakari]

Nobody threaten you at all. Just stop acting like if you own the place.

[DESOUL]

Because I started the damn post so if ya'll wanna act like a bunch of immature little idiots go ahead. WHine and cry some more, name call and threaten people.... just shows that not one of you has respect for anyone. Warn me I BETTER stay out of it?? Oh wow threats on a forum grow up you losers. Keep your petty fight going I really dont care anymore. ALl of you need some serious help.

Now really that doesn't help, you putting in a position yourself as the leader of the thread and looking down on poeple.
If you didn't notice i'll help you (to no offence) but the one who spilled the oil into the fire was none other than you. Didn't you notice the last page was flamed by you and the ones you argued with?
First look under your nose and re-read the things you posted then blame other people.
Seriously yes i agree that Zaraki is acting a little childish , but hey hes still imature, same as you i guess.
And what right do you have to call people idiots? Do you even know the difinition of the word idiot?
*Idiot = A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive*
Like i said before and i'll say it again, THINK before you post.
Insulting people just puts you in a position lower than them.
If you'd of just ignored that little argument that took 1-2 posts none of this would of even happened.
And thers a saying:
Better keep quiet and be considered smart then the opposite
Get the point now kitten?