Blues TOO common? [Archive]

kurosaki_blank

02-26-2009, 07:30 PM

Yeah i know Orona put this in the GD but i think Epith players who don't go much outside of Epith's Mighty awesome Empire ^^ should have a chance to say to.

It seems that almost EVERY mage has a Hatchling wand/staff and archers not so much everyone of them has a Sylph bow of some kind of there most certainly more common than when Ah_Rin had the only +9 blue bow on Epith... Fighters to! Every fighter is after a +9 Casha Wing axe and there only more and more available now! I mean Helga weps will ruin us once cap raise comes around. It'll tip the balance like Lead vs. Feathers, PvP will be pointless cuz we all know that someone with a Helga wep, +9 or not will be able to PWN you and if it happens to be Her_Fame's helga shield which he will certainly +9 >.> then we're all screwed =_= with that much Def he'll just be invincible until iBear or someone comes along with a +9 Helga Wand XP

YoshimaruOrona

02-26-2009, 07:39 PM

That GM bug ruined it for blue rarity.

Now we can only wonder what OutSpark/OnsOn will do to screw up Hellgait rarity ~.~

devin_nicolai

02-26-2009, 07:42 PM

Multiple threads much?

pessimiste

02-26-2009, 07:49 PM

kurosaki_blank

02-26-2009, 07:53 PM

My main concern is more of the monopoly big guilds have over Helga.

At least blues are available to everyone who TRIES to acquire one.
But Helgait...only certain people are going to have them.

And you know how it is. "Join or Die!"
Nty.

I know big guilds like Legendary and Deadly_Aliance(<not sure on there status) will be able to just farm Helga. I know that one guild did that and it made GM's mad D:< supposed to be server wide not just Guild raids

YoshimaruOrona

02-26-2009, 08:32 PM

Well, as much as the servers want to have raids, we can't.

Simply because one of those guilds are monopolizing Helga the instant maintenance ends ~.~

I've been invited to a few post-maintenance raids, but, um.

Yeah, I tend to have classes the next day. So playing in HT at 2am or later reeeeaaallly isn't the best idea for me >>

star.scream

02-27-2009, 01:29 AM

It is when you get a Helgait Weapon. zZz.

deefer

02-27-2009, 03:11 AM

Have you ever tried organising a Server wide Helga raid???
Hard enough getting your own guild mates/friends list organised!
Taken my Paladin on a couple of raids to provide first aid/spam healing (Yes - I'm in Legendary) and it's generally a Guild decides to have a go and they tell their friends who pass onto their friends who happen to be online.
If you want to join in a Helga raid get yourself a party and come along, or go and join a party if there's a spot - plenty do.

Just because some people/Guilds are more organised than others that's not Farming!!

Farming is the groups of level 56 players that camp out by GGK's spawning point to get the level 35/55 blue armours. Or the level 75-85 mobs that take over a room for a whole weekend to farm Giant Harpy.

Personally being on GMT I've spent a few hours on my fighter soloing GGK on occasions and I've managed to get 3 lots of blue drops, excluding rings, so it's not like they drop on every kill.

The thing is now that there are many more high/capped players that have nothing else to do other than possibly start Alts and until the cap is raised and they're given a new challenge this will continue.

On the up side - with this number of blues around you should be able to get them much cheaper than when they were scarce

elisagiven

02-27-2009, 03:28 AM

gleeok

02-27-2009, 04:00 AM

elisagiven

02-27-2009, 04:05 AM

Confused, So run like a KQ? But will that open it up for Leechers like KKP has all the time? With chest and all, or just drop rates?

deefer

02-27-2009, 04:07 AM

Spawn times stink IMO but Im going to be flamaed no matter what I say so...and not everyone can afford even a few g for a hellgait weapon but rare? What is rare anymore? No one but the mighty wins anymore and no one but the bullies run this server. So I guess if you live in the right time zone you win. I give up I have no perfect answers. Even though OS is a US company seems we cater to GMT + w/e time

Have to disagree with that comment

The system upgrades happen at what would be 2am Central? They go on for 2 hours which means it just so happens that it finishes about 8/9am GMT

Now if they were to do the maintence early evening US time how many of you would be complaining about losing an evening's game play?

You're not "catering" to us, it's just that the most convenient time for the server to go down is when "most of you" are in bed about 2am or 3am.

elisagiven

02-27-2009, 04:11 AM

deefer

02-27-2009, 04:14 AM

When the cap raises I wouldn't be surprised if half of the vendors in uru are filled with helga's wep. The GMs should make the area closed like how u enter a wedding. Except this time, GMs will see a server raid post, write down the time, and open helga's tomb when the time's right. As soon as the helga dies, all the players have 50seconds like kkp KQ.

Personally the way I see iit is Helga is the most powerful "baddie" and 89 is the highest level. It's only because of the time it's taken to copy the software over from the Korean server where the levels go up to 120 ish that's causing this problem.

The Capped players have little else to challenge them other than taking on the biggest monster!

Once the cap is raised they just put level restrictions in Helga's place so no one over L89 can enter, same as Concealed Peak (level 56) and Marlon Clan Hideout (Level 36) and it's sorted.

How many of the capped players only need to kill a slime to hit level 90?

deefer

02-27-2009, 04:21 AM

Yeah soo How many of you are just waiting to kill helga and get the drops? And how many US ppl get a chance? I'd really like to know that? Would you be willing to stay up evey week at 4am just to get a Hellgait weapon? if you seriously had a JOB or School the next day? It just s happens you win in this case. You get rich and mighty.

I'm at work right now thanks - don't start making this personal attacks, I'm purely stating facts.

I'm not sure exactly as I'm not a Helga raid regular (my Teva's out and I need to top up SparkCash) but listening to those that know Helga spawns either every 8 or 12 hours. So that's 2 or 3 raids a day.

If the timing for those spawns is early morning and mid afternoon US time then someone needs to make a complaint to the customer service that you're not getting a fair shot.

The largest % of players on here is mid-teens so the game appears to revolve around their time tables.

I don't make any rules, like I say I'm just commenting on things that are done. Personally when I'm working shifts I'd often love to carry on playing/start playing at 6am in the morning but that's the time the servers have their maintainance.

At the end of the day this is a global server and they're never going to be able to please everyone

elisagiven

02-27-2009, 04:26 AM

Helga is a Lvl 120 mob and Kallps are 100/110 mob so the dungeon is the highest lvl this game will see fyi;) As far as I know.

That was not meant as a personal attack just a personal statement.... All I was saying is Im not going to stay up all night to get the drop >.< and fight with a bunch of people across the world. We all know the 1st drop after Maint is usually premium, least its been my exp. Hey gratz on playing at work your a lucky guy ^.^

deefer

02-27-2009, 06:02 AM

LOL, wish I was playing, just accessing the forum..

This job is SOOOOOOO boring but I need money for SC ;)

spookyiness

02-27-2009, 07:12 AM

lols
even if helga spawned every single day, and every single time you killed him he dropped two weps (both of which are not accurate), that's like 700 in a year, a whole year, and he's only just started to spawn such things in the grand scheme of things...

i think there's more than 701 players in epith, so "everyone" won't have one.

and way back when, only a few people had greens, now [virtually] everyone has them, are we to complain about that too? how many 60+ use whites?

blues are popular, set items are popular, and yes, the wealthy get them first, and they trickle down as they lvl up, but i would say by far they are not taking over. You only really notice those with blues, cause you hang around in places where they are used (pvp, fbz, etc) or you choose to hang around with the e-wealthy, who of course have them.

i never had a blue on my cleric when i lvl'd, totally by choice - they were new and expensive, and we all know i'm poor - i'm sure i'll have one on my archer, but then, i also have a lot more quests now than i did with miss paladin. they are just a part of the game, and they will be more and more popular, but you can be sure something new will come out that will start rare and get popular, just like set items did after blues - it's a dynamic game that was specifically design to be a dynamic game, if you want to play the game as it was a year ago with all those limitations, get a pad, some paper, some dice, and play it the old fashioned way.

kimikawaii

02-27-2009, 08:55 AM

Crappy purples are too common >_>;;

deefer

02-27-2009, 09:56 AM

I was lucky enough to drop a pair of level 68 green Mage pants from a Karasian Templar which sold for 2.5g which was why I managed to complete the blue set onn my Paladin although during the 50-60 levels I spent a lot of time in the Abyss to make money.

1 thing that I have found tho' is that from about lvl 60 onwards it is VERY hard to sell stuff that's not +9

I have a L70 mage staff with over 30 INT & END, L70 Bow with over 25 STR & DEX, L70 XBow with over 25 DEX & END, L70 2h Sword with over 25 STR & END and you can't even get the 400s for them that an NPC weapon with no stats sells for!!!!

I really thing it's greens that need to be made more scarce, not blues!!

YoshimaruOrona

02-27-2009, 10:36 AM

(Note: The following is a rant, and I do not care enough right now to look over what I've written and make sure it's 'politically sound' or any of that nonsense. I am PO'd.)

Have you ever tried organising a Server wide Helga raid???
Hard enough getting your own guild mates/friends list organised!
Taken my Paladin on a couple of raids to provide first aid/spam healing (Yes - I'm in Legendary) and it's generally a Guild decides to have a go and they tell their friends who pass onto their friends who happen to be online.
If you want to join in a Helga raid get yourself a party and come along, or go and join a party if there's a spot - plenty do.

Just because some people/Guilds are more organised than others that's not Farming!!

Farming is the groups of level 56 players that camp out by GGK's spawning point to get the level 35/55 blue armours. Or the level 75-85 mobs that take over a room for a whole weekend to farm Giant Harpy.

Personally being on GMT I've spent a few hours on my fighter soloing GGK on occasions and I've managed to get 3 lots of blue drops, excluding rings, so it's not like they drop on every kill.

The thing is now that there are many more high/capped players that have nothing else to do other than possibly start Alts and until the cap is raised and they're given a new challenge this will continue.

On the up side - with this number of blues around you should be able to get them much cheaper than when they were scarce

....are you effing kidding me?

Yeah, I effing tried organizing a server wide Helga raid.

If you have no idea what happened, then I'm not going to re-tell it, because the confusion and flaming that resulted from it is just not worth remembering. But long story short, Helga was dead by the time day of the raid came. Go look through the deeper pages of the Epith subforum for the posts on what happened. I'm not saying anything else about that.

A guild wants to go kill Helga the instant maintenance is over.

The guild members try to get their friends and their friends' friends and whomever happens to be online. Several of us can't be online, because as previously mentioned, SOME OF US HAVE JOBS, AND SOME OF US HAVE SCHOOL.

So what happens now? Well, the same guild members and friends who CAN be online continue farming Helga at his regular spawn time. And what happens in the end is the people who can't be online when maintenance is over gets COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY SCREWED ON ORANGES.

THE [FREAKIN] END.

You can argue that oranges will "trickle" down to the other members of Epith as they lose their rarity, but it comes at a RI-DI-CU-FREAKIN-LOUS cost. For example, wesley is trying to sell his 1h for some quick cash. I've seen him asking for 1gem+

Um.

1gem.

100gold.

I've been playing for 11 months and I only have 21g and a very few number of +9's. (Note: This is with a capped cleric and a lv70 archer at my disposal.)

Interesting.

So, let's just assume, for a second, that I make 1g a day for the next 2 months. That still puts me at 80g, which is still not enough to buy a Hellgait weapon. Also, please note that "making 1g a day" means not being able to level. Because, seriously, it is impossible to level and make reasonable money at the same time.

So, what this means is, for me to have even the slightest hopes of obtaining a Hellgait weapon or shield, I would have to stop leveling and do nothing but focus on making money for the next 3 months. Just because I can't be online right after maintenance is over (along with many other people).

Yeah, that's totally fair.

kimikawaii

02-27-2009, 12:03 PM

Go Doc! Fight the power, the man's just tryin' to put us down.

kristylynn9598

02-27-2009, 02:43 PM

Like someone said at least everyone has a chance to get a blue.

The hellgait issue totally ticks me off. I don't think I can even put it into words how unfair it is to those of us who wish to stay in smaller guilds where honor means something. Where we can't spend $1000's of dollars on CS items just to have a chance at helga. Yet if we did we would have to fight with bullies who can spend the money just to get a glimpse of helga.

I was there for all but 2 helga raids prior to the Kill, and was there the first time he went down. For people who were there for that one only to get a drop totally made me want to leave forever.

But you know what let them have them, I can enjoy the game without them and chances are I will out level them anyway. When the day comes that OS closes fiesta they are out all that money for what? So that now they can kill my no +9 no blue armor barely ok green drop items butt in 1 hit instead of 2 in pvp. Big deal they were going to kill me anyway all double charmed and +9 everything.

So now that I think about it I think we should thank them. They keep it free so the rest of us can play.

spheris

02-27-2009, 06:07 PM

Whys everyone talking about helgaits? as I recall they're not blue, moreso a redish brown.

Anyways, concerning blues, as far as I'm concerned theres 2 types:

-The ones you see all the time and are relatively cheap

-And the ones with fantastic stats that everyone wants, but few actually have ;P

One other thing, I've heard several claims that all hellgait items obtained before the upcomming cap raise will be deleted.

spookyiness

02-27-2009, 06:42 PM

One other thing, I've heard several claims that all hellgait items obtained before the upcomming cap raise will be deleted.

yeah, i hear that there will be a 5c tax on all emails sent too
urban legends are fun

elisagiven

02-27-2009, 07:09 PM

(Note: The following is a rant, and I do not care enough right now to look over what I've written and make sure it's 'politically sound' or any of that nonsense. I am PO'd.)

....are you effing kidding me?

Yeah, I effing tried organizing a server wide Helga raid.

If you have no idea what happened, then I'm not going to re-tell it, because the confusion and flaming that resulted from it is just not worth remembering. But long story short, Helga was dead by the time day of the raid came. Go look through the deeper pages of the Epith subforum for the posts on what happened. I'm not saying anything else about that.

A guild wants to go kill Helga the instant maintenance is over.

The guild members try to get their friends and their friends' friends and whomever happens to be online. Several of us can't be online, because as previously mentioned, SOME OF US HAVE JOBS, AND SOME OF US HAVE SCHOOL.

So what happens now? Well, the same guild members and friends who CAN be online continue farming Helga at his regular spawn time. And what happens in the end is the people who can't be online when maintenance is over gets COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY SCREWED ON ORANGES.

THE [FREAKIN] END.

You can argue that oranges will "trickle" down to the other members of Epith as they lose their rarity, but it comes at a RI-DI-CU-FREAKIN-LOUS cost. For example, wesley is trying to sell his 1h for some quick cash. I've seen him asking for 1gem+

Um.

1gem.

100gold.

I've been playing for 11 months and I only have 21g and a very few number of +9's. (Note: This is with a capped cleric and a lv70 archer at my disposal.)

Interesting.

So, let's just assume, for a second, that I make 1g a day for the next 2 months. That still puts me at 80g, which is still not enough to buy a Hellgait weapon. Also, please note that "making 1g a day" means not being able to level. Because, seriously, it is impossible to level and make reasonable money at the same time.

So, what this means is, for me to have even the slightest hopes of obtaining a Hellgait weapon or shield, I would have to stop leveling and do nothing but focus on making money for the next 3 months. Just because I can't be online right after maintenance is over (along with many other people).

Yeah, that's totally fair.
You go Brotha!!!!! <3333

Like someone said at least everyone has a chance to get a blue.

The hellgait issue totally ticks me off. I don't think I can even put it into words how unfair it is to those of us who wish to stay in smaller guilds where honor means something. Where we can't spend $1000's of dollars on CS items just to have a chance at helga. Yet if we did we would have to fight with bullies who can spend the money just to get a glimpse of helga.

I was there for all but 2 helga raids prior to the Kill, and was there the first time he went down. For people who were there for that one only to get a drop totally made me want to leave forever.

But you know what let them have them, I can enjoy the game without them and chances are I will out level them anyway. When the day comes that OS closes fiesta they are out all that money for what? So that now they can kill my no +9 no blue armor barely ok green drop items butt in 1 hit instead of 2 in pvp. Big deal they were going to kill me anyway all double charmed and +9 everything.

So now that I think about it I think we should thank them. They keep it free so the rest of us can play.

Amen Sista!! <3333

You have both said so much and very well thought out rants I must say, even though they may have been off the cuff, very well put... cudos!!
*bows to the masters* Krystylynn and Orona

wikikaka

02-28-2009, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by spheris
One other thing, I've heard several claims that all hellgait items obtained before the upcomming cap raise will be deleted.

The subect here is about blue, but since hellgait items was mentioned I will refresh your memory.

When GM KQ was introduced, every participant gets a blue from their chest. The market was full of blues. When OS realise this, they make an announcement that all blue from GM KQ will be removed in due time while they correct the problem.

This resulted that some players sell their blue to NPC. Later OS realised that the problem was created by them and they make another announcement that all players can keep their blue and they even compensate those who had sold their blue to NPC. OS has a reputation to maintain, they make a mistake they own it.

Similary for hellgate items they will not remove them. When Helga was first killed, he respawn every 5 days but when OS realised that he can be killed they changed the map to accomodate more players with a larger map but with more mob and Helga only respawn once a week.

I did pick up a blue xbow from the kallop but I did not pick up any Hellgate items in one of those raids. More and more blue will eventually surface in the market.

xiaoling82

02-28-2009, 07:04 PM

grandpa wiki your english ish very goooood <33 i hash nuu blues except my wand given by mommy ><

Renegadeoflife

02-28-2009, 07:20 PM

I was part of the Helga Raid today right after the server came back up from the crash, and I have to say that by no means was it just one guild.

While a lot of people do keep it buddy-buddy and inside their guild, enough information leaks that others find out about it- I actually brought three people from my guild in counting myself, along with several people I know and announced it to a couple of maps that a Helga raid was coming.

Though at present only the large guilds can really organize a Helga raid effectively, I think it is only a matter of time before others figure out how to go about it and Helga raids become as common as King Kong Phino runs.

xiaoling82

02-28-2009, 07:31 PM

wuts helga ?.?

YoshimaruOrona

02-28-2009, 08:54 PM

While a lot of people do keep it buddy-buddy and inside their guild, enough information leaks that others find out about it- I actually brought three people from my guild in counting myself, along with several people I know and announced it to a couple of maps that a Helga raid was coming.

Though at present only the large guilds can really organize a Helga raid effectively, I think it is only a matter of time before others figure out how to go about it and Helga raids become as common as King Kong Phino runs.

"Enough information leaks"? The hell?

I spent virtually all day today on Epith, and I saw NOTHING about a Helga raid. I got no whispers; I didn't see a shout; nothing. And this was on my 7x archer, so that means I'm in the Uruga/AEW/7x abyss vicinity for the whole effing day. And yes, this is prior to and after the server crash.

Where is this leak? Please tell me so I can plaster all of my character info there and maybe get to go to a successful raid that isn't set for 4am on a weeknight.

And for the record, since the larger guilds have the ability to kill helga on their own, would it really kill them to figure out how to incorporate the rest server on a raid or two, rather than the other way around? For example, how about this? Why not have whoever kills Helga on Tuesday post on the forums when Helga died and what his estimated respawn time is. That way, most of us have a clue as to when the next raid is. Then as the time for the next raid approaches, we can actually ask around and figure out when to go, what to do, etc.

(And I know this isn't on the topic of blues, nor do I care. This topic was already in General Discussions, I posted my thoughts there, and I'm not repeating myself.)

xiaoling82

02-28-2009, 09:09 PM

something here

meow onee-sama *pats pats* relax okies D:

FradtheTank

03-01-2009, 01:43 AM

waaayyyy 2 common, i have like 4 i cant sell

YoshimaruOrona

03-01-2009, 01:44 AM

On-topic:

They're common, yet I still have none wth T~T

/fail

Renegadeoflife

03-01-2009, 07:40 AM

"Enough information leaks"? The hell?

I spent virtually all day today on Epith, and I saw NOTHING about a Helga raid. I got no whispers; I didn't see a shout; nothing. And this was on my 7x archer, so that means I'm in the Uruga/AEW/7x abyss vicinity for the whole effing day. And yes, this is prior to and after the server crash.

Where is this leak? Please tell me so I can plaster all of my character info there and maybe get to go to a successful raid that isn't set for 4am on a weeknight.

And for the record, since the larger guilds have the ability to kill helga on their own, would it really kill them to figure out how to incorporate the rest server on a raid or two, rather than the other way around? For example, how about this? Why not have whoever kills Helga on Tuesday post on the forums when Helga died and what his estimated respawn time is. That way, most of us have a clue as to when the next raid is. Then as the time for the next raid approaches, we can actually ask around and figure out when to go, what to do, etc.

(And I know this isn't on the topic of blues, nor do I care. This topic was already in General Discussions, I posted my thoughts there, and I'm not repeating myself.)

Mana_Burn is the one that told me about it. I usually ask around to find out such things, and happened to overhear it within like the first 5 minutes of the server coming back up.

The other helpful hint is to get to know the people in the large guilds that organize these things, most of them will tell you when events like that are about to take place because they know it doesn't work well when it just them.

elisagiven

03-01-2009, 09:40 AM

"Enough information leaks"? The hell?

I spent virtually all day today on Epith, and I saw NOTHING about a Helga raid. I got no whispers; I didn't see a shout; nothing. And this was on my 7x archer, so that means I'm in the Uruga/AEW/7x abyss vicinity for the whole effing day. And yes, this is prior to and after the server crash.

Where is this leak? Please tell me so I can plaster all of my character info there and maybe get to go to a successful raid that isn't set for 4am on a weeknight.

And for the record, since the larger guilds have the ability to kill helga on their own, would it really kill them to figure out how to incorporate the rest server on a raid or two, rather than the other way around? For example, how about this? Why not have whoever kills Helga on Tuesday post on the forums when Helga died and what his estimated respawn time is. That way, most of us have a clue as to when the next raid is. Then as the time for the next raid approaches, we can actually ask around and figure out when to go, what to do, etc.

(And I know this isn't on the topic of blues, nor do I care. This topic was already in General Discussions, I posted my thoughts there, and I'm not repeating myself.)

And beside that if you happen to find out about one and show up, you are blamed for any part of a fail, and run out of town then flamed forever for the fail.

mqnst3r

03-01-2009, 09:46 AM

Hiya ive got a solution... how about giving me some blues and ill hide them forever and theyll be rare again ^^

kurosaki_blank

03-01-2009, 07:55 PM

waaayyyy 2 common, i have like 4 i cant sell

i'm was in same position but eventually people bought them.

kurosaki_blank

03-01-2009, 07:56 PM

Hiya ive got a solution... how about giving me some blues and ill hide them forever and theyll be rare again ^^

HA possible. EVERYONE SELL TO iBEAR AND HE'LL NPC THEM ALL!

deefer

03-02-2009, 11:43 AM

(Note: The following is a rant, and I do not care enough right now to look over what I've written and make sure it's 'politically sound' or any of that nonsense. I am PO'd.)

....are you effing kidding me?

Yeah, I effing tried organizing a server wide Helga raid.

If you have no idea what happened, then I'm not going to re-tell it, because the confusion and flaming that resulted from it is just not worth remembering. But long story short, Helga was dead by the time day of the raid came. Go look through the deeper pages of the Epith subforum for the posts on what happened. I'm not saying anything else about that.

A guild wants to go kill Helga the instant maintenance is over.

The guild members try to get their friends and their friends' friends and whomever happens to be online. Several of us can't be online, because as previously mentioned, SOME OF US HAVE JOBS, AND SOME OF US HAVE SCHOOL.

So what happens now? Well, the same guild members and friends who CAN be online continue farming Helga at his regular spawn time. And what happens in the end is the people who can't be online when maintenance is over getsCOMPLETELY AND UTTERLY SCREWED ON ORANGES.

THE [FREAKIN] END.

Yeah, that's totally fair.

Which, once you've calmed down, is my exact point.

You try and do a server wide raid and by the time you select a time everyone is around etc then you lose out.

I work for a living too and the average Helga raid is 4-6am UK time, so I've only been on one when I was off work the following day and I got nothing out of it, don't even think we were successful and I lost 4% EXP. Do you hear me swearing about it?

All I meant by my post is that organising a server wide raid is an absolute nightmare and, as you found, there is no guarantee Helga is even gonna be there. It may well be you pop ya head in one Saturday afternoon and it's there but you can't get a group together. Other times you set out and some group beats you to it because they were better organised.

Sorry but that's the game world. Same as groups of morons that kill you in the Abyss "because they can" and cost you EXP or needing GGK,Ghost Knight or Giant Harpy for a quest but someone is sitting there farming them.

If you're not on friends lists of people doing the raids then rather than sitting here throwing your toys out of the pram at the likes of me who's just making an observation why not do yourself a favour and get to now the likes of iBear, Shawg, TheSorcerer or any of the others that are regularly on those raids? To be honest a level 7x archer isn't likely to last long in there anyway. My level 75 Paladin is pure END with Blue armour, a defence charm and a T4 defence scroll at the time.

I understand your frustration but, like everything else in the real world, you have 2 options. Sit and moan or do something about it!!

Until Outspark start spawning Helga at random times rather than predictable ones then people in the wrong time zone or that can't be around the moment a server maintenance is finished then it's just our hard luck.

There is a saying: You can please all the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time but you can't please all of the people all of the time!!!

PS

Just seen this a couple of threads below:

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150578

So we've killed Helga twice now on this server .......

*** you getting in a mood about???? The way you're carrying on I thought we were destroying Helga daily or something?

YoshimaruOrona

03-02-2009, 01:31 PM

Ok, firstly, let me apologize if it sounded like I was attacking you. I didn't mean to, it was just that I was mad at couldn't help but write what came to mind and just spam the "submit reply" button. Although the warning was at the top of the post, when I said I was PO'd (pisssed off).

Secondly, I don't normally moan, whine, or bish as much as I did in that last post. When I remember how much crap I went through with the last raid, and I know full and well that we're (Epith) killing Helga twice a week (so that's about 6~8 times in total since we first killed him; that thread is inaccurate), I get extremely frustrated.

Thirdly, my main's a capped pally. My archer won't last in there, but my cleric can. And he's support build, so it's not as if I'm whining about something that isn't in my reach. I've been in 4 raids in total, all of them fails. The fifth one, which was supposed to be mine, didn't happen. And after that, the larger guilds of Epith just started farming Helga after each maintenance and 4-5 days later, when he respawns.

In regards to your suggestion to getting to know some of the people who are regularly at raids, I already do. N_Kinjen, KatiaCat, Palace, Material, redkatanasword, Shawg, But_Deadly, DarkPassionPlay, Mystare, Mana_Burn, and more that I just can't think of right now. Although I just thought of something that might help me, the issue still goes stands for all the others, like yourself, who can't make it to these things.

There's a raid right after maintenance at one of the most awkward times of day.

And there's a second raid 4-5 days later at a time completely dependent on when Helga dies the first time. And since we don't know 100% what Helga's exact respawn time is (or at least I don't anyway), it's not as if we can just guesstimate and show up when we think it would be.

In closing, all I want to say is that, again, my apologies for being abrasive with my last few posts. And the only reason I lost myself like that is because there are people who insist that these raids are "possible" and "fair" and that there will eventually be "enough oranges for everybody". That just drives me nuts.

The-Great-Paladin

03-02-2009, 05:11 PM

kurosaki_blank

03-02-2009, 07:30 PM

Its up to groups of people to organise, they can decide the time of day what days and who to invite... you can't just invite everyone would be disorgansed and lead to anger and deaths... who cares anyway its just a game... only an orange only pixels.

people take it a lil deeper than that though. life isn't always exciting and a helga raid sure gets my blood pumping >.> I"m not depending on this game for excitement but some people do or want to.

YoshimaruOrona

03-03-2009, 03:36 AM

Its up to groups of people to organise, they can decide the time of day what days and who to invite... you can't just invite everyone would be disorgansed and lead to anger and deaths... who cares anyway its just a game... only an orange only pixels.

Being excluded sucks. Both irl and in-game.

That's all I really have to say.

And I'm not referring to being excluded from owning an orange, I'm referring to being excluded from a successful helga raid. I'm sure you've seen it; how happy everybody gets when that towering pixel called "Helga" dies. (I can go find screenies/vids from all servers supporting that)

That right there is enough for me to think that maybe Fiesta is a little more than "just a game".

It's a game, but it's not "just a game", if that makes any sense. @.@

deefer

03-03-2009, 05:45 AM

LOL, np Yoshi - understand where ya coming from.

kristylynn9598

03-03-2009, 06:26 AM

And beside that if you happen to find out about one and show up, you are blamed for any part of a fail, and run out of town then flamed forever for the fail.

YOU SAID IT RIGHT

And Orona no one told me I knew the server crashed and was restarted and just showed up. It took 10-15 mins until other then the big guilds showed up before I got a party. Its ok I got in right next to last hit so was darn close this time, I actually can't believe it wasn't last hit it looked like it was.

Could you emagine the drama if they though you KS'd Helga and got the drops OMG is there a witness protection progam on epith.

kristylynn9598

03-03-2009, 06:38 AM

In regards to your suggestion to getting to know some of the people who are regularly at raids, I already do. N_Kinjen, KatiaCat, Palace, Material, redkatanasword, Shawg, But_Deadly, DarkPassionPlay, Mystare, Mana_Burn, and more that I just can't think of right now. Although I just thought of something that might help me, the issue still goes stands for all the others, like yourself, who can't make it to these things.

LOLS I am 3 of the people you mention but I have never been to a guild "Only" raid. I wanted to be part of the first time to kill Helga just for the honor of being there as I know you did, I am sorry I didn't notice you weren't there as I know you are one who deserved to be. I have since ducked out until the server crash. Its to unfair, to early, and to much drama and breaks my heart to loose out again. It maybe selfish to feel that way but hey I am human. Trust me I am not a helga regular if I were I would have a helgait wep by now. "I would hope".

Honestly in my book you got something better then a helgait wepon, RESPECT.

mqnst3r

03-03-2009, 06:53 AM

Im am excepting orange green blue pink purple and rainbow weapons so if anyone has these to give away id be more than happy to accept such a meek gift...

YoshimaruOrona

03-03-2009, 04:19 PM

YOU SAID IT RIGHT

And Orona no one told me I knew the server crashed and was restarted and just showed up. It took 10-15 mins until other then the big guilds showed up before I got a party. Its ok I got in right next to last hit so was darn close this time, I actually can't believe it wasn't last hit it looked like it was.

Could you emagine the drama if they though you KS'd Helga and got the drops OMG is there a witness protection progam on epith.

LOLS I am 3 of the people you mention but I have never been to a guild "Only" raid. I wanted to be part of the first time to kill Helga just for the honor of being there as I know you did, I am sorry I didn't notice you weren't there as I know you are one who deserved to be. I have since ducked out until the server crash. Its to unfair, to early, and to much drama and breaks my heart to loose out again. It maybe selfish to feel that way but hey I am human. Trust me I am not a helga regular if I were I would have a helgait wep by now. "I would hope".

Honestly in my book you got something better then a helgait wepon, RESPECT.

Lol if I ks'd Helga, it's purely because of my epic block rate keeping him from 11k-dmg-dealing-owning me xD I'm just kidding; it's not that epic. Though I've pissed off many a fighter with my frequent use of "BLOCK" in pvp xD

So ... wait, when the server crashed, all mobs (including Helga) were reset? Omg, why didn't I think of that? /headdesk I thought that rule only applied to maintenance x~x

And just for clarification, I know there hasn't been a "purely-one-guild" successful raid yet. When I say "guild only", I'm referring to raid groups where the majority (this means greater than 50%) of all raiders belong to one guild. The reason why it bothers me so much is because we have loads of potential everywhere on this server; it's an un-deniable fact. While so far these smaller group raids have led to successes, it seems wrong (just my opinion) to have people excluded just because you don't know them or because of an issue of time.

[For the record, I know that when large guilds house a number of capped and near-capped players, that there is a high likelyhood that such a guild will be the majority in a raid, however, there isn't just one guild with a high number of 8x players.]

I honestly wouldn't even complain if I saw an attempt to include others. At least I'll know the server is trying to work as a unit, rather than a bunch of orange-hungry players.

kurosaki_blank

03-03-2009, 04:29 PM

wow this was kind of a successful thread i'm glad people actually got up and talked >.> and now i've probably jinxed o.o

Khaos_X

03-03-2009, 11:29 PM

I honestly wouldn't even complain if I saw an attempt to include others. At least I'll know the server is trying to work as a unit, rather than a bunch of orange-hungry players.

I know a lot of orange wep hungry ppl -_-, I admit I wan't a orange wep, but I know I'll never get one, so a lvl 95 wep is better than nothing since I got one even if other ppl have them, its better than nothing, and I don't care if ppl with hellgaits will pwn, Its just a game, its not like they can kill us irl with those orange weps.

numot

03-03-2009, 11:58 PM

Word. Tell em bro.

elisagiven

03-04-2009, 11:39 PM

wow this was kind of a successful thread i'm glad people actually got up and talked >.> and now i've probably jinxed o.o
LOL I hope not

LOLS I am 3 of the people you mention but I have never been to a guild "Only" raid. I wanted to be part of the first time to kill Helga just for the honor of being there as I know you did, I am sorry I didn't notice you weren't there as I know you are one who deserved to be. I have since ducked out until the server crash. Its to unfair, to early, and to much drama and breaks my heart to loose out again. It maybe selfish to feel that way but hey I am human. Trust me I am not a helga regular if I were I would have a helgait wep by now. "I would hope".

Honestly in my book you got something better then a helgait wepon, RESPECT.

So I'm not alone in this one, I have bowed out of raids for a long time, since the Helgaraid website was shut down and all that drama >.< Just makes little sense to me, this server is so .... well I hope y'all can keep fighting the good fight, mean time Im taking a break from drama ^.~. See ya now and then but not so much.

Maybe by then all the cap will raise and ppl will be busy again trying to hit the next one.

Mewaki

03-05-2009, 10:53 AM

Lol never found a blue before so I ended up buying one for my mage, an abyss blue not the KQ ones bc I wanted to get my fiesta money's worth ;D Otherwise I personally think its useless to get 7x blues for clerics xD

The-Great-Paladin

03-05-2009, 11:50 AM

Why not be more pro-active rather than complaining about it...?

YoshimaruOrona

03-05-2009, 12:49 PM

Why not be more pro-active rather than complaining about it...?

Sometimes being pro-active bites you in the butt.

Example: With this past helga raid contest, I took a 4 hr nap before maint so I could go to it. Made it there, got to participate a bit, got a screenie or two, blah blah blah. After everything's said and done, I end up only having time to sleep for two more hours. Woke up, went to chem class, fell asleep for the whole thing.

Now I have the pleasure of being able to decipher yesterday's chem notes. Oh joy.

BUT. Since helga has a 24hr respawn time now, I can come along on the weekend raids with little risk for suffering the next day (Waking up at noon on the weekend ftw). So I'm happy about that change.

mqnst3r

03-05-2009, 02:28 PM

Who cares about helga... what about helgas older sister Ulgas weps oh yea i got one and ill pwn everyone with it... dont dare show up in an abyss XD

elisagiven

03-05-2009, 06:31 PM

Why dont they make Helga spawn times when everyone can enjoy the raids and not at sleepy time. I mean when we were planning the beginning raids we tried to include everyone's time zone (points to tents raid) psh OoS might as well move Helga to Asia. Oh wait they are there!!!
If I happen to be on at 4 am I see the lovely little green announcement every time so a 24 hour spawn time 7 days a week every week...hmm I think its one sided.
You should not have to take a nap, plan that far in advance and miss a class due to lack of sleep to make a raid, Oro, imo its inconsiderate of those who do kill helga every night. When do they get to work that hard? It would be great if one server shut down would mess up the entire schedule for ... ever... but thats just wishful thinking.

YoshimaruOrona

03-05-2009, 08:25 PM

Well, thats why I said I'm happy about the new respawn time.

You said you wake up at 4am every night and see the announcement. So there's a pattern with when Helga Tomb is being raided every day. It's much easier to follow now than it was before; when Helga spawned right after maint and then about 4 or 5 days later at some random time of the day. It was unclear and difficult to follow.

Now, most people get 1 or 2 days off per week, right? In my case, I have school, so Saturday and Sunday, I'm off. Because I don't have school on those days, I don't have to worry about waking up. So even if I am missing 5 out of 7 raids per week, I can still make it to the last two.

And because Helga has a set respawn time that everybody knows of, I know when to show up at the tomb. Even if it is inconsiderate of the others to rush Helga the instant maintenance is over just to keep raid, there's really nothing we can do about it. Or at least nothing comes to my mind, anyway. Someone's going to try and raid him, period. That's just how it goes, especially with all the stackable charms out there now.

And in OutSpark's defense, no matter what time Helga is set to respawn, there's always going to be a group of people somewhere in the world that have a crappy time frame and are either going to have to suffer, or completely miss out on it.

With this new respawn system, the only people who are screwed now are the ones who work every day of the week. And that is a rather small group of people, I think.

On the topic of Hellgait rarity: This new respawn system is going to bring a lot more hellgaits to Epith more quickly. If we're getting 2 weps a day, that makes 14 weps a week, rather than 4 weps a week, as we had before. That adds up pretty fast. Here's to hoping the price of hellgaits drops to less than a gem by the time the next cap raise comes -prays-

Ken_Adoruk

03-05-2009, 10:06 PM

I propose 12hr, 36hr, or 60hr respawn rate so there can be raids from afternoon and after midnight...

Past midnight, I'm likely to be asleep x.x

Just my opinion

Thanks

AhLook

03-06-2009, 07:06 AM

whats the use, just change helga dungeon into a purpose raid instance, 20 ppl can enter at any 1 time.

helga now can be killed with just 5 ppl.. did os make helga easier or wat.. ?

kurosaki_blank

03-07-2009, 07:34 PM

Interesting. Yeah actually i think that'd be a good way to solve this Helga wep problem. Make it either like a KQ or set up times as u suggested.

deefer

03-09-2009, 05:49 AM

Well they're now doing Daily Helga Raids on the actual event Calender for anyone that's not spotted them!!

03-09-2009: Helga Raid (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-9&e=946&c=1), St Patty's Quest (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-9&e=921&c=2), Moonlighting Slayer Event (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-9&e=953&c=5)
03-10-2009: Helga Raid (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-10&e=946&c=1), St Patty's Quest (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-10&e=921&c=2), Moonlighting Slayer Event (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-10&e=953&c=5), The Mighty Trek (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-10&e=919&c=2)
03-11-2009: Helga Raid (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-11&e=946&c=1), St Patty's Quest (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-11&e=921&c=2), Moonlighting Slayer Event (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-11&e=953&c=5), Blue Dragon Promotion (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-11&e=948&c=1)
03-12-2009: Server Maintenance (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-12&e=924&c=2), St Patty's Quest (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-12&e=921&c=2), Moonlighting Slayer Event (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-12&e=953&c=5), Blue Dragon Promotion (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-12&e=948&c=1), Solstice Survivor: Class Ruler (Apprentice Class) (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-12&e=916&c=2), Masters of Horror (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-12&e=947&c=1)
03-13-2009: St Patty's Quest (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-13&e=921&c=2), Blue Dragon Promotion (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-13&e=948&c=1), Masters of Horror (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-13&e=947&c=1), Trivia Event (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-13&e=954&c=5)
03-14-2009: St Patty's Quest (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-14&e=921&c=2), Blue Dragon Promotion (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-14&e=948&c=1), Masters of Horror (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-14&e=947&c=1), Trivia Event (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-14&e=954&c=5), Helga Raid Drop Boost Weekend (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-14&e=951&c=1)
03-15-2009: St Patty's Quest (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-15&e=921&c=2), Blue Dragon Promotion (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-15&e=948&c=1), Helga Raid Drop Boost Weekend (http://www.outspark.com/forums/calendar.php?do=getinfo&day=2009-3-15&e=951&c=1)