Claiming KQs now?

[laady]

I've found that joining KQs as soon as you're able to is about the biggest pain in the butt. People yell at you for being "too weak" and some players even refuse to PT you and all sorts of cr@p. Nevermind that you have a quest to do, nevermind that if you're able to join it you're not "too weak", and nevermind that you might be any good.

But is this okay? I mean, couldn't this sort of be considered against the rules? You're not allowed to claim areas so shouldn't it be against the rules to claim KQs too? I was just in the Honeying KQ and it was cr@p right from the beginning. None of the Fighters were pulling aggro so I couldn't AOE properly because I kept pulling aggro and no one would heal me and stones and pots don't work when you get hit 5 times in a row. >.< So no AOEing for Laady.

I said this outloud, that we were going to fail because almost no one was doing their part, and that "I should have joined Robo". I said the last part because I noticed that Robo A had gotten the required 20 players when last I checked, it was lagging and I wished I'd joined it instead. Well then this Fighter responded, "yeah, you should have, no one who can still do robo should be here". What...the...he||?

You can join the Honeying KQ at what? 40? I'm 43, almost 44. I didn't join my first Honeying KQ until today because I felt people would ignore me if I joined any earlier and that people might even still ignore me at level 43. But the first one I did was pretty cool. We almost made it and we had an awesome level 50 Fighter and great Clerics who buffed, healed, and revived people like mad. I didn't bring that KQ down, we made it all the way to the top and I AOEed as much as I could and burned through like 20+ SP stones to do it. If we'd had, maybe, 20 more seconds, we would have gotten it. Mind you, not everyone in that KQ was 46+. I think one of our Clerics was level 42. Oh, and the guy who said this? Level 48 who sat down on the ground and didn't mob or even fight the entire KQ. :|

A person's level isn't indicative of their skill or even experience given peoples' ability to make multiple characters. It's not right that people can basically tell you that you shouldn't be allowed in a certain KQ. >.>

[Asmodejjj]

If you don't have high enough players, most KQ's will crash. This includes Mara, Gold Hill, Robo, MD, and Spider.............it's out of necessity, not picking on you.

If a few lower lvl's are there, the KQ might still be winnable, but the higher, the better.......

[angelswings]

No. People shouldn't have the right to claim a KQ. but do understand that some of them need to have a good group in order to finish their round of the quest. Does it make it right for them to treat lowers like crap? No. IMO, lowers need to be there... to learn how it works. My first time going to MD KQ was horror... I had no idea where i was going. The poor cleric in my party deserved a raise. I thought to myself... well surely I can take on this imp... LOL I got spanked. but had I not gone when i was new at it... then how would I have learned the best way to work that KQ to win? One, the highers need to have a little more patience with the lowers.... 2, the lowers need to take criticism and direction less personal. but anyways,,, Good luck :) hope you get your quest completed

[laady]

You can't blame the failure of a KQ on someone who is a lower level than yourself and it's very rude to do so, especially when your skill is no greater. So the level 48 Fighter who didn't fight was worth more to the KQ than I was despite my being active?

You can talk about failing and succeeding all you want but the fact of the matter here is this -- level 40 - 50. FORTY to fifty. Claiming a KQ is really no different than claiming an area and we had quite a few higher levels in the first one I joined and we still failed. Again, level is not indicative of skill, some people were incredibly lazy and yet were higher than me.

(Just FYI, this upper part wasn't to you angels but the lower part is. XD)

I actually asked around about this KQ and watched clips of it on YouTube so I wasn't terribly clueless. I learned in the very first KQ from another Archer to AOE stuff and learned from my brother that mobbing is necessary to make it to the top. It's like people forget -- we're new to the KQ, not to the game or our class at this point. A level 50 may be stronger but it doesn't help any if they just stand around you know? This guy was 5 levels higher but did far less than I did and committed suicide. >.< Criticism is saying, "Hey, could you maybe AOE more?", stuff like that, not, "You shouldn't even be here."


EDIT: And why do I get the feeling that no one would really yell at a level 43 Cleric? XD

EDIT 2: Oh, and he wouldn't have even known I was level 43 if I hadn't mentioned Robo so I don't think there's that much of a visible difference unless you, one, know the other classes' armor and, two, are sure the person you're looking at has his or her stuff up to date.

[angelswings]

Yeah those that want to yell will find something to yell about. heal faster heal me rez heal debuff noob why aren't you healing only me..... etc

Wasn't flaming you at all about the criticism thing... I agree with you. was only stating a fact that there are some that get defensive even pissy when you do try to help them learn.

[Asmodejjj]

You can't blame the failure of a KQ on someone who is a lower level than yourself and it's very rude to do so, especially when your skill is no greater. So the level 48 Fighter who didn't fight was worth more to the KQ than I was despite my being active?



Yes, I can, and sometimes I will. What right do you have to demand that I change my opinion?

It's a game, who cares who does what..........if a KQ wins, it wins, if it loses, it loses.

If you're starting to act like it's a life and death situation, then get a life, I repeat again, IT'S A GAME!

[laady]

Asmode, I'm not the one yelling and freaking out. ;)

And if you feel the need to blame your failure on lower levels without even knowing who did what, you need to take your own advice because you're not perfect and yes, it's just a game so calm down. You're no better if you're going to go around yelling at people in-game like it's a life or death situation and you're, as I said, in my opinion anyways, breaking what should be a rule by claiming KQs for yourself and taking advantage of other people. If it's "just a game", you and people like you shouldn't be yelling at other players and blaming failure on people who may have been doing their part just by looking at their level, there's no call for that sort of immature behavior. It's like blaming a crime on the black guy because, naturally, white people don't commit crimes right? I mean, it's naturally the "weaker" players' fault because higher levels never mess up. :rolleyes:

As I said, as a level 43, I did far more work than the level 48 did so I don't deserve to be blamed but if it makes you higher levels feel superior, then I guess that's how you get your kicks in life and what's to be done about that, yeah?

And you know what else? I was right, people don't cry and whine and moan when there's a level 42 or 43 Cleric in the game. So it's not about level. I mentioned that I got yelled at for joining the Honeying KQ in the most recent one I joined and a Cleric who is a level beneath me said, "We Clerics don't get yelled at for much." and that's bull. In the end, it was just me, the Cleric, and a level 46 Mage. I want to know what keeps happening to all these loser high levels who die by the second level, I really do. These people don't have actual skill, they rely upon others and being high enough that they aren't in great danger.

What I think is going on is this -- it's easier to blame us. Once you get strong enough or, heck, when you get a person with just the wrong personality, they can't take failure. No, nuh-uh! I'm too strong! I'm higher than you! I'm so awesome! It couldn't have been me! It's just like blaming the Cleric. No, I'm the Fighter, you're the Cleric, you heal, I fight! If I die, it's entirely your fault no matter what! It's so much easier to just look the other way and point the finger at someone else but you can't really do it with lower level Clerics (unless they really are useless) because you might need a revive at some point and oopsy...they don't like you now. :p But with Archers, we just deal damage so all we have over you is, oopsy, we won't fight and no one cares.

[zues8844]

Once again, complaining over a dumb game of colored pixels...........

Try something new sometime, like appreciating the good parts of the game.

Simple solution-don't do KQ's if they make you mad/insecure. It would also cut down your thread output rate by a bit. Trust me. That's why I don't do KQ's much anymore.

[laady]

;)

Tee hee, I have a little stalker. :D

Oh, and you know what's funny? This forum is for the game and I'm talking about the game. But you're so obsessed with me that you're talking and complaining about me instead. :p

[kidwithcrayonz]

Yes, I can, and sometimes I will. What right do you have to demand that I change my opinion?




It's a game, who cares who does what..........if a KQ wins, it wins, if it loses, it loses.

If you're starting to act like it's a life and death situation, then get a life, I repeat again, IT'S A GAME!

Such a nonchalant attitude about whether a KQ wins or loses is a surprising assertion to follow the forceful statement above it. Exactly what were you trying to say?

"I don't care about winning or losing KQs, it's just a game...BUT if you screw up my game, I will rain down my fury upon you!"

"I just feel like being contradictory at all times because I think I know more than you, due to my self-proclaimed title as a 'forum legend'".

"I am trying to hide my insecurities for taking a video game so seriously by putting others down for taking the game so seriously."

Either way, the argument still makes no sense.

[laady]

"I am trying to hide my insecurities for taking a video game so seriously by putting others down for taking the game so seriously."

That seems to happen a lot. >.>

God forbid I have something to say and say it regardless of the mini mods who'd rather talk about, what? Discrete Mathematics? Mechanical Engineering? World Peace? People seem to forget what forum they're on and what folder they're in or are just plain stupid -- "How dare you talk about Fiesta on the Fiesta forum in the Gameplay folder!" :rolleyes:

[Asmodejjj]

"I don't care about winning or losing KQs, it's just a game...BUT if you screw up my game, I will rain down my fury upon you!"


Exactly, that's how the game works.

[laady]

Then you care about whether you win or lose. The key part here being, "I don't care if I lose." If you're blaming losing on someone else, you do, in fact care.

[kidwithcrayonz]

Discrete Mathematics?

Ah...that's a great subject.

6! x 7!/ 4!

[laady]

Ah...that's a great subject.

6! x 7!/ 4!

Ahaha, but methinks most of the kids here haven't gone past Algebra. XD

I just finished Discrete Math II so now, onward, to Data Analysis! And naturally, it makes so much more sense to discuss that here than it does to actually talk about the game. :D

[angelswings]

Oh holy... way to complicated for me... i'm out :P
/still wishes you all the luck with your KQ's XD

[lifekindle32]

Yes, I can, and sometimes I will. What right do you have to demand that I change my opinion?

It's a game, who cares who does what..........if a KQ wins, it wins, if it loses, it loses.

If you're starting to act like it's a life and death situation, then get a life, I repeat again, IT'S A GAME!

sounds like this person needs to relax

[palmfruits]

It's not right that people don't party you just because you're a low level. I've joined Robo many times for it to fail and all I needed was Robo. If I partied with low levels, I'd just suck it up and try again next time.

I'd like to think that since I'm part of a party, there are other people who have quests... so why not help them out and get the monsters they need?

[Celtic_Princess]

1. In regards to page 1, keep it nice folks. Angry posts make me get all twitchy...you dont want a twitchy CL...its really not a pretty sight.

2. I despise discrete mathematics...and math in most forms. I'm more of an English/History person. If you are good at mathematics, I will probably view you as some form of higher being :P

3. Its not fair for people to claim KQs or to discriminate against lower players. The idea of a KQ is to work with what you're given in order to succeed, this includes your fellow players. I've gone into MD on a hybrid fighter and ended up tanking over the high levels...you're more than capable of participating and even succeeding.

However, you will miss a lot on the mobs if you're at the lower levels for the KQ, and if there are enough people missing the KQ moves a lot slower. Next time you come across a group like that, get all the exp you can out of it and hope you land a more accepting group of players in the next one ^^

Honeying in particular is the hardest when it comes to having lower players. I entered it on my fighter in a solo KQ and at the lowest level for the KQ couldn't make it past the bottom tier of the map.

[mifdsam]

*Makes Celtic Princess do derivatives* MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

But yeah, this claiming KQ thing is kinda stupid, as people have said before, just cause you're higher level doesn't mean you're better. That lvl 40 "newb" in Honeying could have ten capped characters for all you know...

And that thing about not being able to hit mobs if you're too low lvl? Just pop an aim scroll and you're good to go

[saueracker]

I rather have a bunch of good low levels who try, than rotten higher levels who think they are all that and dont take part.

ive had a success in honeying with 5 people and none were much higher than entry level. As long at we work as a team,it shouldn't matter.

[laady]

I rather have a bunch of good low levels who try, than rotten higher levels who think they are all that and dont take part.

ive had a success in honeying with 5 people and none were much higher than entry level. As long at we work as a team,it shouldn't matter.

That's awesome. :D

On that note, when there's a full KQ going...why do the higher levels just seem to die off if they're so strong? >.< I and three other people basically cleared off the first floor alone and then moved onto the second, if those guys had actually known how to fight, we could have at least gone farther and gotten killer exp.. I get about 20,000 just going to the top. 20,000 in 15 minutes in a fun environment rather than 20,000 in half an hour doing a repeat sounds good to me. *shrugs*


And that thing about not being able to hit mobs if you're too low lvl? Just pop an aim scroll and you're good to go

Yup. But at level 43, I didn't seem to be missing anything or at least not enough to actually notice it. Every time I fired off a shot it hit and when I'd AOE, the first time was usually okay, 200 or so damage all around, maybe one or two misses (can't recall seeing this one missing much either), but then the second shot was usually critical, purple numbers popping up everywhere. And that was before I got to to the next AOE level, now that I'm level 44, I've got an even stronger one so that should be even better and I added another point to its base power. :D

[cercia]

Claiming a KQ, especially Honeying, is just a controlling attitude that sometimes comes out when players feel they need a power trip. Many of them seem to forget that they are a "participant" and not the "moderator" or "owner" or "sponsor" of the KQ.

Unfortunately, as an archer who is in the last level-set a fighter is superior to you in PvE, you're going to take some abuse anyways. Especially because, as I found out, if you're wearing lower level gear (or set items - which look lower level than the defense they provide), people don't want to party you because they'd rather party with someone who simply looks higher level. And, yes, people do know when you are level x0-x3, or x4-x7, or x8-x9. You just begin to recognize the weapons and armors as time goes on, and you see more and more of the same item over and over again.

Unfortunately, the only way to cope with this is to just wait. That person will level out of your range (or you out of his/hers), or quit, or play another character/game.

[Plushii]

Meh, I'd say; It's not the level that matters, it's the skill of the player that matters.

[donovanmill123]

If you don't have high enough players, most KQ's will crash. This includes Mara, Gold Hill, Robo, MD, and Spider.............it's out of necessity, not picking on you.

If a few lower lvl's are there, the KQ might still be winnable, but the higher, the better.......

have to say not true XD, i've done mara once where it was my lvl 18 archer, and a lvl 20 cleric. we won XD so lvls dont really matter, its just if you know how to play or not

[laady]

And, yes, people do know when you are level x0-x3, or x4-x7, or x8-x9. You just begin to recognize the weapons and armors as time goes on, and you see more and more of the same item over and over again.

Some people do but not all. I was right there the entire time and he didn't say a word to me until I mentioned Robo like he didn't even notice what level I was until just then. It almost seemed like he was in a nasty mood (and from what I've heard about him, he's a bit of a whiny jerk anyways) because he was anticipating the KQ failing (When does it not? Kind of common...) and so he had to blame someone so that he could yell and rant and whine and I just so happened to p!ss him off. >.< Which considering the fact that no one was tanking...him included...kind of sucks. I tried doing my part (AOEing) but without a tank there and just a bunch of horribly confused Fighters, AOEing is usually epic fail. If he'd determined my level by observing my skill and/or power (or lack thereof) and decided I was worthless, that just sucks but he didn't, he guessed my level range by something I said. Know what I mean?


Unfortunately, as an archer who is in the last level-set a fighter is superior to you in PvE, you're going to take some abuse anyways.

As far as KQs go, I don't recall ever really taking any abuse for being an Archer. A lower level, yes, but not an Archer, at least nothing big enough for me to actually take a mental note of. And when it comes to Honeying, people want players who can AOE well and Archers do a great job with Multi-Shot, at least IMO anyways. A Fighter may do more damage to one target but I'm the one damaging the whole mob and if that weren't important, no one would be calling for people to even bother with it.

[cercia]

It almost seemed like he was in a nasty mood (and from what I've heard about him, he's a bit of a whiny jerk anyways) because he was anticipating the KQ failing (When does it not? Kind of common...) and so he had to blame someone so that he could yell and rant and whine and I just so happened to p!ss him off. If he'd determined my level by observing my skill and/or power (or lack thereof) and decided I was worthless, that just sucks but he didn't, he guessed my level range by something I said. Know what I mean?

Yeah, I know what you mean, and I suspect the bolded part is accurate.

The abuse I almost always get is "why couldn't you have been a mage?" and that I am almost always last partied (yet one of the first two on the front lines).