Spamming?!?!?

[Shadows_Death]

alright I'm new to windslayer, but old to outspark.
I'm a lvl 12 archer and this BS is really annoying every time i go in deathmatch i get complaints about spamming. and no one will give me a straight answer to what spamming is.
When i get complaints and ask they tell me it's because i repetitively hit them. so then i say "anything repetitive is considered spamming?" "correct?". and they say yes. but then the same warriors will attack me, stun me and continue hitting me till I'm half health. but when i call that spamming they deny it to hell and back. well plz explain to me how me jumping and shooting is spamming but them continuously hitting me without me being able to move isn't??:confused:
really, really idiotic.

[zyphur]

because all you do is jump and slam the D button. warriors usegrab, dodge, freeze you and have to time the fire sword properly requiring skill. archers do not

[Shadows_Death]

oh very, very wrong... how are you gonna say archers don't have skill? we are long distance. just cause you'll can't catch us doesn't give you'll the right to accuse us of this so called spamming. and i hate to tell you but there is a lot of SKILL in staying away from your enemy while still inflicting damage. also i use ice arrow, fire arrow, wind arrow, and increase range. all of them are skills.

[Program-Death]

What is This? A bunch of warriors wining. Little babies can't take out archer. Before anybody ask, I am a warrior. If you are losing that means they are better then you. If a archer is a spammer even though they use different skills, all because they are similar, then we warriors are definitely spammers and so is every other fighting class. Every class has weakness and strength to others classes. This is how games are made including this one. Warriors have high attack and defense but has very limited distance. Archer has lower attack and defense but can strike at the greatest distance. It would not be fun if everyone just stood around so they would not be classified as a spammer.

[Shadows_Death]

indeed and btw
because all you do is jump and slam the D button. warriors usegrab, dodge, freeze you and have to time the fire sword properly requiring skill. archers do not
ok skills

grab(warrior)-pushes enemy away and hits.
wind arrow(archer)-shoves enemy back causing semi-hi damage.

dodge(warrior)-increases chance of evasion?(not sure)
evasion(archer)-increases chance that enemy will miss.

freeze(warrior)-freezes opponent slowing him in the runaway
ice arrow(archer)-freezes opponent slowing him in the runaway

fire sword(warrior)-hits opponent with flaming sword causing critical damage.
fire arrow(archer)-hits opponent with flaming arrow causing critical damage.

anything i missed here? i recommend you back off on the skill theory.

[ameyzing]

all classes will spam at one point

[blake3470]

Omg What is wrong with all of you noobs. "Omg Leparaz is a noob cuz he pwned me" Excuse me? I get that kind of junk often on all of my characters. It drives me nuts of how bad losers people are. If we beat you, try again and keep trying harder until you beat us. And how do archers spam? We spam arrows? Excuse me? *For some strange reason* archers use arrows when fighting. So get over it. Besides, if we can be called arrow spammers, we had might as well call you "sword spammers" or whatever.

[Thasmudyan]

Just to clarify a bit...

Spamming in PvP isn't repetitively attacking. Obviously everyone is going to keep attacking if they're hitting you.

Spamming is randomly using skills or attacks with the idea that eventually someone will dash or jump into one of your attacks. Basically, if you're spamming you're not timing your attack to hit a specific person, you're just firing randomly into a mob, or even just at air, in case someone might dash towards you.

Probably the extreme case of spamming is an archer (or mage or priest) who wedges themselves into a corner of the map just below a ledge and just constantly uses skills. Archers have the longest range so that's why they're the most commonly called spammers, because it's a tactic that works for them (at least against inexperienced opponents).

Melee classes can spam too, it's just a lot less effective. A warrior who spams probably hits nobody, so in order to get hits as a warrior you have to learn to dodge attacks, jump around, and get in close to hit people without getting hit back. Obviously it helps ranged players to be able to do this too, but a complete newbie can jump into PvP with a mage or archer and rack up points by randomly attacking. It's frustrating to melee players, so they call them spammers.

Personally, I'm a warrior and I don't call people spammers. If I got hit, it means that I just need to get better at avoiding random attacks.

[Program-Death]

Just to clarify a bit...

Spamming in PvP isn't repetitively attacking. Obviously everyone is going to keep attacking if they're hitting you.

Spamming is randomly using skills or attacks with the idea that eventually someone will dash or jump into one of your attacks. Basically, if you're spamming you're not timing your attack to hit a specific person, you're just firing randomly into a mob, or even just at air, in case someone might dash towards you.

Probably the extreme case of spamming is an archer (or mage or priest) who wedges themselves into a corner of the map just below a ledge and just constantly uses skills. Archers have the longest range so that's why they're the most commonly called spammers, because it's a tactic that works for them (at least against inexperienced opponents).

Melee classes can spam too, it's just a lot less effective. A warrior who spams probably hits nobody, so in order to get hits as a warrior you have to learn to dodge attacks, jump around, and get in close to hit people without getting hit back. Obviously it helps ranged players to be able to do this too, but a complete newbie can jump into PvP with a mage or archer and rack up points by randomly attacking. It's frustrating to melee players, so they call them spammers.

Personally, I'm a warrior and I don't call people spammers. If I got hit, it means that I just need to get better at avoiding random attacks.

Wow it is a miracle another warrior who is not a wiener baby, For a while I though i was the only one.

I agree which this guy this is a way better definition of a spammer. Which by the sounds of it shadows_death ain't a spammer because he is actually fighting someone and not just letting arrows loose .

[Shadows_Death]

Just to clarify a bit...

Spamming in PvP isn't repetitively attacking. Obviously everyone is going to keep attacking if they're hitting you.

Spamming is randomly using skills or attacks with the idea that eventually someone will dash or jump into one of your attacks. Basically, if you're spamming you're not timing your attack to hit a specific person, you're just firing randomly into a mob, or even just at air, in case someone might dash towards you.

Probably the extreme case of spamming is an archer (or mage or priest) who wedges themselves into a corner of the map just below a ledge and just constantly uses skills. Archers have the longest range so that's why they're the most commonly called spammers, because it's a tactic that works for them (at least against inexperienced opponents).

Melee classes can spam too, it's just a lot less effective. A warrior who spams probably hits nobody, so in order to get hits as a warrior you have to learn to dodge attacks, jump around, and get in close to hit people without getting hit back. Obviously it helps ranged players to be able to do this too, but a complete newbie can jump into PvP with a mage or archer and rack up points by randomly attacking. It's frustrating to melee players, so they call them spammers.

Personally, I'm a warrior and I don't call people spammers. If I got hit, it means that I just need to get better at avoiding random attacks.

indeed i agree with this alot. though in pvp you will probably not get much attention if hiding in the corner. however when i tactically arrange myself around an enemy to kill him people still call it spamming. thanks for the help.

[seph82]

I think the real problem is the bad balance for some class:

1)Mage: Hight damage with elemental skills, teleport for run away
2)Cleric: Same thing about mage and have heal too
3)Archer: jump and atk, long elemental atk
4)Rogue: can hide but dont have strong atk like the first 3 class (stun and poison suck)
5)Warrior: Good phisical Dif but really slowe and die easy vs mage-archer-cleric
6)Monk: no comment

This game in pvp need a lot of work, i wont use a job i dont like for win in pvp.
I hope the outspark decide to nerf some jobs and balance the other one.

[Shadows_Death]

I think the real problem is the bad balance for some class:

1)Mage: Hight damage with elemental skills, teleport for run away
2)Cleric: Same thing about mage and have heal too
3)Archer: jump and atk, long elemental atk
4)Rogue: can hide but dont have strong atk like the first 3 class (stun and poison suck)
5)Warrior: Good phisical Dif but really slowe and die easy vs mage-archer-cleric
6)Monk: no comment

This game in pvp need a lot of work, i wont use a job i dont like for win in pvp.
I hope the outspark decide to nerf some jobs and balance the other one.

no, no, no.

yes you have mage right.
clerics have very low atk.
archers have long atk all together
rogues are quick with atks equalling out for high damae.
warrior are not slow. they can normally catch me in a foot race.
if you notice all classes run the same speed.
mank:no comment.

[dargongarath]

I think the real problem is the bad balance for some class:

1)Mage: Hight damage with elemental skills, teleport for run away
2)Cleric: Same thing about mage and have heal too
3)Archer: jump and atk, long elemental atk
4)Rogue: can hide but dont have strong atk like the first 3 class (stun and poison suck)
5)Warrior: Good phisical Dif but really slowe and die easy vs mage-archer-cleric
6)Monk: no comment

This game in pvp need a lot of work, i wont use a job i dont like for win in pvp.
I hope the outspark decide to nerf some jobs and balance the other one.


kk you obviously don't know anything a bout any of the classes...

1)mage uber high attack, uber low health/def
2)medium/high attack, healing abilities,and medium/low def and health
3)archer medium attack long range medium skill damage
4)rogue's poison coupled with a stun combo deals 280 just from poison and plus aprox. 120 with four melee hits eaqualing 400 damage... now i don't know about you but that is more than a mages fire ball so rogues don't suck...
5)warrior best def and health good comboing skills and good melee attack
6)monk highest melee attack and are kick but against any class with a good set of skills that are easy to use.

so when you say that certain classes aren't good that's from a noob's point of view that doesn't know how to use a class, and only participates in spam battles...
so i rest my case.

[Shadows_Death]

dargon has explained it all no fight left. any more opposes?

[seph82]

Ok i'll try with a different method:

The mage, cleric, archer,fighter and monk have elemental atk ok?
At livel 15-20 a mage hit 300+ with fireball, same think some cleric....so at livel 89 they hit over 9thousand?
Some archer jump always and shoot ice arrow and fire arrow, try kill one of those if u can (im talking about with a melee class).
Fighter are easy to kill, but when they catch u or begin jump and hits amen...
Monk like use block atk and fire kick and sometimes use fear on you.
Rogue for poison and stun you, need to be close to the target, but some job have detect and even if u use hide, u are still hitting.
Today i fight a lot vs mage-cleric-archer and i can said all the people in my team was wipe out from theme ( and we was all melee job).
And someone still said this 3 jobs arent overpower and dont need to be changed? B'ah >_>

[iheartlily]

kk you obviously don't know anything a bout any of the classes...

1)mage uber high attack, uber low health/def
2)medium/high attack, healing abilities,and medium/low def and health
3)archer medium attack long range medium skill damage
4)rogue's poison coupled with a stun combo deals 280 just from poison and plus aprox. 120 with four melee hits eaqualing 400 damage... now i don't know about you but that is more than a mages fire ball so rogues don't suck...
5)warrior best def and health good comboing skills and good melee attack
6)monk highest melee attack and are kick but against any class with a good set of skills that are easy to use.

so when you say that certain classes aren't good that's from a noob's point of view that doesn't know how to use a class, and only participates in spam battles...
so i rest my case.

Umm..You are right, but you are wrong when you say its from a noob's point of view. Your comments about best def, good health is all false in STD matches, since it is balanced out.
Warriors
So warriors do not benefit from best def, or more health, which makes them crap. Ice and fire combo requires more precise timing, and more risky, and less damage then mage, and of course it is melee. Oh, and a lot of times, the person who is frozen from the ice, can block the attack afterwards so that when the fire hits him, he can counter right away. If a mage froze you, you can block as well, but its from a distant, so he can't counter you. Strong regular attacks, but so is archer with range and speed.
Mage
Still Uber damage, and same health as everyone else. Range is better then every other class other then Archer and probably the same as Priest or better a bit. Has range and melee *earth skill*, and a defensive skill teleport to get away from close combat.
Archer
Almost 2-3times weaker then mage, much further reach, can jump and shoot pretty well with decent dmg 70-80. I find it hard to kill rogues when they get really close to you, and stick onto you, monks also but not that hard. Depends. That is for 1vs1 though, in pvp its very easy to use.
Rogue
Basically what you said, but the a disadvantage is that he has to stay there to do the full combo, and it takes time, which is risk. Also, other teammates might screw up the combo. So in my opinion, a easy fireball is still better then this. Not saying they aren't good though.
Monks
Basically what you said, strong damage, easy to chase, has a good range skill. Comparing to Warrior, it does more damage, easier to chase, longer range, etc. Although of course there are points where warriors are better then Monks.
Priest
Priest, Strong Magic, still stronger then Archers. Healing abilities make them a good tank if they want to be, and your health/def does not apply in STD. Range attacks, when out of mana, can change to sword and still kick ***.

Remember these are my opinion for STD matches, and deathmatch witch is also balanced in stats.

[smoovismcgee5263]

well, i agree with thasmudyan on this one but at the same time, that could be a decent tactic from a priests (and mages) point of view. if there are 3 or 4 of the opposite team gathered up, why wouldn't i throw some holy strikes in there. that is not to say that that is the only way i play but it has a tactic. i think spamming is more or less doing that and that only. if someone runs away from that crowd, i am usually the first to follow them and entice a 1v1 type battle. i find that, as a priest w/ self heal, i do pretty well 1v1 against every class. if the player is any good at all it will at least be a fun fight. that is why i play the game in the first place.

now on to archers. i will consider them to be spammers if all they do is sit back and throw their elemental arrows into a crowd until someone comes closer at which point they do their jump attack. again if they have skill they could make for a fun fight against me and if they are good they will probably take me out. i forget the name of the archer i fought the other night a few times that switched to sword when i got close. i really give props there because most of the noobs would spam their jump attack or run off.

rogues...sigh. this is the only class i believe needs balance. the only thing i would do is make the confusion attack come back quite a bit slower. if you notice a rogue can hit with confuse, 3x weak and poison. within seconds they can hide, hit thier speed and come after you with a ready confuse. 1v1 there isn't much chance any class can have if there is a really good rogue. i am not complaining but that seems to be the only unfair power ive seen.

finally i would like to emphasize that i play 2 classes but have tried all 6 and these are my opinions, not facts about the game. my main atm is a 34 priest and my alt is 22 monk. i continued with these classes because they are a bit on the opposite end of the spectrum. i didn't care for the archer or rogue due to what ive written above. i deleted my mage to make room and i believe that monk is probably more fun for my playing style than warrior. also i have gotten each of the characters above level 17 so i didn't get every one of their powers but i played them enough to decide for myself what way the class is going.

again, these are just my opinion. happy hunting out there :D

[jemz12]

i also agree im a warrior if i lose to a archer i just need to step up my game and learn there tactics and try again

[archs_angel]

Ok i'll try with a different method:

The mage, cleric, archer,fighter and monk have elemental atk ok?
At livel 15-20 a mage hit 300+ with fireball, same think some cleric....so at livel 89 they hit over 9thousand?
Some archer jump always and shoot ice arrow and fire arrow, try kill one of those if u can (im talking about with a melee class).
Fighter are easy to kill, but when they catch u or begin jump and hits amen...
Monk like use block atk and fire kick and sometimes use fear on you.
Rogue for poison and stun you, need to be close to the target, but some job have detect and even if u use hide, u are still hitting.
Today i fight a lot vs mage-cleric-archer and i can said all the people in my team was wipe out from theme ( and we was all melee job).
And someone still said this 3 jobs arent overpower and dont need to be changed? B'ah >_>

Sounds to me like someone has lost their fight.
first of all what kind of idiotic math did you do on mages attack?
second since when can archers jump and shoot skilled arrowS? if your gonna accuse us try t compare. We cannot jump and shoot a skilled arrow we can only shoot strong inclined arrows or weak forward arrow no exceptions.
I have a rogue and i pwn archers. it comes down to knowing how the classes work.
Skilled fighters are not easy to kill. a fighter with a good jump-dash strategy is more annoying then a archer.
this is all i will comment on for now seeings as this is all i've tested.
them three classes are not overpowered. your just under-skilled.

[Exmilio]

I have been in many PVP where i am the first to be called a spammer. Just because I am a skilled archer who uses my skills to my class advantage don't mean I am any more better then any other class. Archers use there long range arrows to provide aerial support to there teammates. Every time we get a kill I always hear “F'n archers” or “Dam archers spamming”. Get over it! We all have are advantages and we all use them! Thats why you are on a team! Use your skills to the best you can and quit whining! You win some you lose some! Life!


-Yours Truly,
O_Conner

[archs_angel]

yea it's ridiculous when little punks complain cause i just schooled them.

[amenity]

Ah, I was about to post a topic about this myself. I've always loved the archer class, so I made an archer. I have also been playing in PVP more often and have come upon people calling each other spammers. For a while I felt like I was a proper archer; I didn't do solely jump attack, I used my skills properly, I had a good time.

And then the other day, I was called a spammer. A hell spammer. What? Just because I killed someone and they're a sore loser, I'm a spammer? I found this just a little aggravating. Mystery Person X continued on a rampage about spammers, their undeserved pvp ranks, and what jerks they are.

I find it almost amusing that I still don't know what a spammer is to this day.

Also, why are all archers automatic spammers for some reason? I hear even the best of archers called spammers just because they are good archers. Somehow I don't think that makes sense.

[Exmilio]

Being a skilled archer myself I hear the constant complaining of sore losing. Everyone needs to remember an archer in PVP does a mild amount of damage. So we have to do what we can to avoid damage and at the same time help out are team. While there is times when i can use my skills there are other times when i get a good group of teammates i do what i like to call “Chip off the the opposite teams HP” (Yes the infamous “Jump Shoot attack”)

Go around and hit many targets in order to chip there Hp down so that if i do get Ko'ed...My team can come back and finish them off without using more MP. I don't complain about mages knocking my Hp down 300 because is my own fault for being in there way and because that is what there advantage is.

So if you don't really like fighting archers or think we are pointless then don't fight us or if you do don't whine about it! You win some you lose some! We all get lucky shots here and there no big freaken deal! Play the dang game or don't! Plain and simple!


Yours Truly,
O_Conner

[sighingwind]

-sigh- I suddenly got an influx of "You noob!", "SPAMMER!", etc. etc. etc. I don't quite understand where people get all this nonsense from. I try my utmost to use my skills properly, to take advantage of the long range of my class, and I'm only insulted endlessly for doing so. Argh.

[Lightcat]

The funny thing is: Many people call spam when they wanted to say ownage. Oh common! Ice and then fire is spam? Is spam is other mage of my team tries to take a piece of cake of my ice? So, 2 firebolts flying to you while freezed is spamming? No sir, that's ownage ;o

I hate these cryiers about spammers when they should say "i got pwned".

[archs_angel]

yes it's real annoying when i jump shoot and use skills and dumb people blame me for "spamming".

[anticarebear]

For some reason, no one ever says that I spam. (:

[d4rkball3r]

i admit i do sometimes say "newb stop spamming" but its only because i keep getting hit by the jump attack and not avoiding. Losers just say this to make it look like that they lose because some one used skills over and over again. Sometimes when archer spam that s button aint hard 2 block but i do rant about that sometimes.

Bottom line:no spamming in the game just sore losers crying. If i called you a newb spammer or whatever forgive me .

[archs_angel]

lol d4rk are you d4rkpker? if so im ,,!,,(-_-),,!,,

[d4rkball3r]

yes i am. hey cool name

[Exmilio]

To Quote Emilia (The games Archers Master)

"You'll find a lot of people get frustrated by Archers since we can attack our enemies from so far away. I guess this proves the effectiveness of our long range attacks."

There so quit complaining and use your classes advantages! Sorry for posting so many times but its getting out of control with people complaining that archers are spamers. Its also funny this poll has no option for "None of the above"......

Yours Truly,
O_Conner

[xst0n3rx]

Jump-shooting as an Archer takes quite a bit of skill and even more skill to master.

[darkestxshadow]

i have an archer, granted im only level 16 and just started 3 days ago. i too got called a spammer, as aparently using ice arrow and wind arrow to keep my enemy away from me is spamming. its like in fiesta, when archers can run and shoot at the same time, we get yelled at for running.

well im sorry if i dont want to let you hit me, i thought thats what archers were meant to do -_-

[archs_angel]

lol yes dark it's exactly what were meant to do if you cant catch us two bad.

[iheartlily]

lol this game is full of funny people. I was playing with my mage, level 18. Doing my thing, getting top 1 score and everything. The thing is, I was playing Deathmatch for a bit, many rounds, and this guy is always there. I want to tell you his name, but I can't, lol. He's an elementist, way higher level then me, and I always manage to score higher then he did. And he's like, "LMAO!! freaking mage spammers!", "GO 1vs1 ME", "NO ONE LIKES A SPAMMER WHO SPAMS UNTIL THEY RUN OUT OF MANA", etc. And to note again, he was a Elementist and I was just a little mage. He doesn't really know what spamming means does he, I want to see him do something else other then casting his spells. Windslayer Noobs are too funny.

[shiningkittenfur]

ummm.... it's not the archer's fault that you can't dodge their arrows... and that they use and effective stradgy to attack opponents ..... *admits to being an uber obnoxious [but really bad] arrow spammer*

[Necronomicron]

do people crying about spam just do that for fun or idk want make gms delay archer's attack? cuz i rly dont see a point of it

its obvious every class want to use all their advantages to win the fight lol

[darkjesse14]

tactically arrange myself around an enemy to kill him
tht sounds like spamming to me