I'm extremely Agitated.

[Duffedwaffe]

I, for one, am sick of the ignorance of Fighters during Kingdom Quests. All they do is cry and whine at the clerics when they die. What don't they get about Clerics not having a heal AoE? We can only heal one person at a time, so if there's a huge group of fighters and like, two clerics, don't yell at the clerics when you die. Clerics could easily choose to simply stop healing you, and just go sit in the corner and hope to get a brand new weapon for going AFK. However, they don't. Why? Because they're not arrogant like the crybaby fighters who run into a boss when no one's ready, then blames the cleric(s) for his/her own stupidity.

Also, Revive has a very long cooldown time. I honestly don't see why I should have to repeat myself constantly when people die that revive has a 30 second cooldown, and for them to be patient, only so they can die 5 seconds later and spam "rev" "rev me" "rev noob", while there's someone who has already been waiting about 2 minutes.

It's also REALLY annoying when (including, but not limited to) fighters say "all you're doing is healing, it's not hard." Oh, it is. You're trying to figure out, from about 4 fighters, who needs the heal first, how to space out revives based on time of death, making sure you don't click near the boss monster and (probably) die from walking into said boss' AoE attack, and keeping you SP from depleting. All this has to be done in about 1-2 seconds. Fun.

Alright, I'm done. This was just a way to vent for me. Feel free to call me any names you want, I don't give a you-know-what.


P.S.

I'd like to make it clear that I am not stereotyping, I realize not all fighters are like this, but I've seen quite a few while doing Kingdom Quests.

[aegrimonia]

fighters need to learn to WATCH THEIR OWN DAMN HEALTH BAR!!!

they have pots and crystals too..

I personally feel that fighters are in a large party way too egotistical in my opinion.. they expect all the other classes to support them.. we all need each other that's all there is to it.

(though honestly i can solo for a very long time as a cleric.. so i don't need others most of the time.. only during elite monsters and KQ's)

[Cuddles101]

I say we stage a cleric revolution! Go on strike and refuse to heal, revive or buff anyone and maybe then they will appreciate our roles a liitle more.

But seriously, it's got to stop and I think the reason those particular fighters are so pompous is because they've never played the cleric class before so they can't relate to what we have to go through. I feel awful whenever one of my team mates die, and just recently I had to cover a fighter who was attacking Marlone but my heal spell wasn't powerful enough and she had to use her potions as well. I felt really inadequate but at least she recognized that I could only do so much and was willing to meet me half-way.

A cleric's job is multi-tiered and not only do we have to look after ourselves but the lives of our team mates are also our responsibility (and should be our number one priority in Kingdom Quests especially). I don't see the need for a cleric to fight when he or she's in a team, unless that team consists of archers and mages then the cleric (who has some pretty decent DEF) is gonna have to get up close and personal.

I can't fault you Duffedwaffe. I feel the same way, although, I have yet to meet a fighter as arrogant as you've just described. I've seen some bad ones but not that bad, and don't get me started on KQ fighters. In King Slime I've seen fighters argue over who's going to tank while ordering all clerics to heal them only, fighters refusing to tank and fighters that run around in circles when their HP gets low (even though 4 clerics are recurrently healing them) and training other slimes to the poor archers and mages.

In Mara, I've seen fighters urge people to rush (I've seen other classes request rush too and those are usually the idiots to die first). With no powerhouse or tank to take out the Mara elites, archers etc., the lower leveled and low DEF characters fall like flies, then when the meager numbers trickle in to the fakes, they have the audacity to ask 'Is this all that made it?'

In Gold Hill, I don't understand why fighters mine. Let the weaker characters look for the key and let the stronger characters keep the monsters away from them. Well, that's just my opinion anyway. I haven't written the infallible guide to Kingdom Quests...but maybe I should.

[aegrimonia]

oh, i've got a REAL ***** with Gold Hil..

I was booted from my party the first time i was on Gold Hill because i flat out refused to heal the party unless we put it on sequential allocation.

the fighters were bumb-rushing forward mining like crazy and getting hit from all sides.. i had to heal constantly to keep them alive..

and they were keeping ALL the loot..

So i said **** it.. i'm not healing you guys unless you put it on sequential..

and they booted me.

i DO think there needs to be a cleric revolt..

i'm ALL behind it.

[Aquabelle]

oh, i've got a REAL ***** with Gold Hil..

I was booted from my party the first time i was on Gold Hill because i flat out refused to heal the party unless we put it on sequential allocation.

the fighters were bumb-rushing forward mining like crazy and getting hit from all sides.. i had to heal constantly to keep them alive..

and they were keeping ALL the loot..

So i said **** it.. i'm not healing you guys unless you put it on sequential..

and they booted me.

i DO think there needs to be a cleric revolt..

i'm ALL behind it.


You dont get anything worthwile in GH anyway do you? o_O I would have just stood on top of the fighters and spammed my loot pick up button at mob low health... :D I've had to do that in parties sometimes. Greeeeedy~

[Gravvi]

noone ever puts it on sequencial allocation but i do agreee. Fighters have time to heal since they can actually take hits. Archers and mages i don't mind healing because they can only take abotu 2 hits compared to the fighters 10. I mean common i am one person. But i can say that people should keep a cleric alive when there is only one in a KQ. And don't **** him off. I was the only cleric in a KQ. People were rushing ahead and dyeing. I left them for running ahead and dieing.

[Cuddles101]

You dont get anything worthwile in GH anyway do you? o_O I would have just stood on top of the fighters and spammed my loot pick up button at mob low health... :D I've had to do that in parties sometimes. Greeeeedy~

I did Gold Hill only once so far and the only thing I got from it was an empty box. Oh, I did get some level 1 copper ores but only because I had to mine a few ores of my own. Party, needless to say, was on Free Allocation so the only thing that got shared in that group was the experience. Thank God, Fiesta doesn't have a Free Allocation and Sequential experience system in parties either or clerics would never get anything.

[aegrimonia]

You dont get anything worthwile in GH anyway do you? o_O I would have just stood on top of the fighters and spammed my loot pick up button at mob low health... :D I've had to do that in parties sometimes. Greeeeedy~

I did that once on King Marlone right when he was about to die.. only got a ring.. but still..

the PROBLEM is that i use F keys instead of the numbers, and there is some built-in function of the F-keys that i can't seem to figure out.. F1-F5 have some sort of 'select party members 1-5' control that i can't seem to change..

But every MMO i've ever played i've used the same key layout.. F1 is attack, F2 is heal pot, F3 is Pick up items, F4 is an attack skill.

I can use the custom options to program my shortcut keys to use F1-F10, but when i'm in a party and hit F3, it selects the 3rd party member AND does what i have programmed.

[Gavener]

If i join a group i ask for sequencial allocation Then after everyone was talking fine its dead silent, i ask again and tell them how to do it nothing then i leave party, and reinvite them and do myself, 90% dont have a clue how to do it and then its like a monkey f**ing a football trying to get them to change it, it NEEDS to be defalut

[soysauce2rice]

Watch yer cursing tongues :P
I try to heal when i can and most of the time i do. If they die and they blame me (which only happened twice) I'll say that they are not paying attention to their hp bar. Most of the time i heal but the HP didn;t "register" coz maybe I'm lagging. I would understand a fighter not healing in time versus a monster's special attack, but if they have 100 hp versus a boss, they should heal at least. Some think it's a waste of 1 HP potion but they're easy to make.

Now people say that Fighter's HAVE to tank, tehy can if they don't. Kinda like clerics if we don't heal the tanker. If we don't heal the tanker we don't have a tanker at all. So if we don't all agree we can't really beat down a boss or elite monster or whatever.

[ScarlettLady]

I was in KQ last night. Only me a lvl 12 cleric, and 1 other lvl 10 cleric, he was healing for 100, i was healing for 300. So they got on me, and i mean screaming for heals. I replied as polite as i could, I told you, if you are not on my team, you need to come closer to me for a heal, if you could keep the mobs off of me, i would be able to come to you HOWEVER you cannot. The highest lvl fighter in KQ with us kept going afk and didnt kill but maybe 2 mobs.
Then this guy starts cussing me out cause he died (he was not on my team or anywhere around me) as which point i was like get your noob a** on my team or dont get healed, idc anymore.
Why dont people get it? Get rude with me and youll die unless you brought pots to help yourself. Im not a stupid cleric, thats my main class in every game i play. 1 of my teammates died one time. and that was in main boss fight, I was so worried about tanker, i let her get hit, then died myself.

[Trebori]

The ones(warriors) that keep getting themselves killed and complaining about it are just punk kid's. Their opinion or whining doesn't matter anyway :) Just ignore them. Everyone else does :)

[Cuddles101]

And what about the ones that scream HEAL PLZ while running all over the screen. How the hell can I target you if you don't stay in one place?

[TastyTapioca]

And what about the ones that scream HEAL PLZ while running all over the screen. How the hell can I target you if you don't stay in one place?

OMG yes.. if it's one thing I scream at these people is STAND STILL if you want to live. Don't run around as it risks aggroing more mobs making things even worse. :eek:

[Tamlinari]

Well even if they are jerks you shouldn't just let them die in a KQ even if they are not in your immediate party because you are hurting everyone else's chances of succeeding including your own.
I have had to buff some real jerks too but even though they were really rude, immature and obnoxious, they got the job done and that is all that really counts.
You will probably never even have to meet up with the guy ever again let alone party with him.
My advice would be to just do your Cleric thing and don't let the rude people bother you too much.
Believe me, as you get up into the higher levels you are going to encounter some really rude players both Male and Female.
You will eventually become desensitized to it.
And there are some really nice players as well.

[Semaj]

might be being a jerk, but with the current KQ system its very difficult for a cleric to keep people healed who arnt in your party. also, only the party that kills the boss completes the quest....soooo....i just worry about my party. only the strong survive, ive been cheated out of finishing the 3rd part of to many KQ to bother with people not in my party.

if the format is switched to a "mob" style where we're all in the same party then thats a diff story. but until then......*shrug*

[Cuddles101]

I don't see why we all can't be in one large party of fifteen instead of three smaller parties of five. That still doesn't promote the 'team-work' effort since everyone is pretty much looking out for themselves and their team only. Also, if we all were in the same party then that would make completing quests easier, thus eliminating the need for us to keep going back in the KQs.

But the most important reason why I'd like to see a 15 party layout in KQs is this...hardly anyone wants to add an archer or mage in their Mara parties. It's really sad to see archers and mages begging to be let into a party.

[Semaj]

really? ive never noticed that, but i always try and have at least one archer/mage in any party since they can pull and do great dmg from a safe distance.

they wont do the 15 in the party because they would have to re-write that section of code, it would be a huge ordeal im sure, though your right, it would be VERY helpfull, and it would eliminate a lot of the people continually doing the KQ's and bogging them down since you COULD only do it 3 times (assuming you survive) since everyone would get their quest completed.....

[Cuddles101]

really? ive never noticed that, but i always try and have at least one archer/mage in any party since they can pull and do great dmg from a safe distance.

That's why I stopped meekly waiting to be let into parties and started aggresively forming my own, that way I make sure that archers and mages get a chance as well. Everyone wants the tank or a cleric but those other two classes seem to get left out. Maybe it's a relative thing but I've seen it happen alot from my end.

[Semaj]

i donno, i havnt gotten into a KQ in a while, always forget because im to buisy grinding with guild members...
though ive been in KQ parties with myself, another cleric, and the rest mages/archers. was an interesting time lol.

the best is a full party of clerics. good luck killing that party

[Balder]

Personnaly, as a fighter, I think people should come into KQ's prepared. There's nothing more annoying than people coming in with not pots or buff scrolls and then screaming for heals. Fighters should play as if they were playing by themselves. Its nice to know u have a cleric to back you up buts its even better if you can heal urself with pots while the cleric's busy healing someone else.

Secondly, recognize ur strength level. Ive seen some lvl 6 fighters rushing in because they think healers will back them up at 100%. Pure bull.

Thirdly, if you know the cleric's done a good job, than congrats them because u might never know if that same Cleric will be in the next KQ ur in.

Enough said.

[Tamlinari]

I usually choose a really strong fighter and stay with that character but I have been in kingdom quests where no one would invite me and I was by myself and still completed the quest and got a reward and the exp so I am not so sure that it is only your party that counts.
When the Fighters are up there against Malone and Mara even if there are no fighters in my party I will still cast invincible, restore, heal and revive on them.
I am only interested in winning and dead Fighters or any other players are no good to the effort of winning.
There are often many Clerics in the Mara and Gold Hill quests that are below level 20 so if the High Clerics don't help out members of other parties then the number of players winds up being greatly reduced and so is the chance that the quest will be successful.

Tamlin level 29 Cleric

[Cuddles101]

You're my kinda guy, Balder. If only the stereotypical fighters lived by your creed as well. Are you in the Apoline server because if I ever see you you'll have all my respect.

[Semaj]

usually (unless they've changed it) unless your party gets the kill for mara, marlone ect you dont *complete* the quest, ya, you completed it, but the quest isnt finished. this is frustrating after a while.

i agree with Balder, ill back up my tank and he will NEVER die while ive got his back (exception is when grinding and i get taken out, then, well, not really my fault...)

sure, the dead people arnt doing much good, but if they're dying in GH and their party clerics arnt rezing them (and they're not in my party) its up to their clerics, sure, ill rez if im not buisy, but my main concern is my party, and everyone else secondly.

[Xanthros]

Personnaly, as a fighter, I think people should come into KQ's prepared. There's nothing more annoying than people coming in with not pots or buff scrolls and then screaming for heals. Fighters should play as if they were playing by themselves. Its nice to know u have a cleric to back you up buts its even better if you can heal urself with pots while the cleric's busy healing someone else.

Secondly, recognize ur strength level. Ive seen some lvl 6 fighters rushing in because they think healers will back them up at 100%. Pure bull.

Thirdly, if you know the cleric's done a good job, than congrats them because u might never know if that same Cleric will be in the next KQ ur in.

Enough said.

Someone who knows how potions work and doesn't flip out on a cleric! Get this guy a beer if he's legal, and a medal - I concur with the above, more fighters need to be like you. We are there to -assist- with healing and resurrections, not pull the full load because people want to be cheap on stones/potions/scrolls, then scream when they take a dirt nap.

X-

[Semaj]

just dont rez for stupidity...its a good rule of thumb.

[SpiritS]

To My Fellow Friend(Cleric),
When you(we) meet the stupid,arrogant,immature Fighter just stand on their corpse and laugh.
I got both experience in meeting good and bad tanker.
Being the only cleric in KQ,I manage to keep all participants alive and success the KQ.The are 2 fighter 1 is protect me while the other is tanking King Slime.And he use HP stone and pot when emergency.

2nd,as the only high cleric,I cant believe that those fighter just wanted rush through mara pirate.Leaving the mage more chances to die,I have to apologise to those mage who i failed to save thanks to those Noob but in the same time i see 1 fighter run back protect some mage letting them survive to the check point(the place before fight mara).When we reach there,1 mage was complain about the rush cause some mage die.After that i cant BELIEVE the fighter just whine and say Who need a weak player in KQ or A weak person should never participate in KQ(those fighter are not high lv mayb around 16~23).He even hit the fake mara and marlone in side causing himself die many time.Being the only High Cleric i stood at his corpse and laugh back at him and NEVER even think at revive him.He used up all his life and he force to leave.
So dont pissed cleric they can kill you indirectly.Anyway I salute you Blader but there are too less people like you in Apoline server.

Lastly ,sorry for long Reply.

[academics03]

My roomate told me that in one kq he did, people were fussing at the clerics so they went on strike, but since he was nice to them and the strongest tank they healed only him and actually beat the kq that way.
I was in a kq yesterday on my cleric and got annoyed because a mage in my party got mad at me because I lagged and couldn't heal him before he died after 3 hits by a mob he shouldn't have run out to in the first place. I got caught between healing him and healing the tank who was paying attention to where they were going. He had the nerve to tell me to pay attention.

My question is this: Why don't these people carry their own potions for emergencies? If they just stand there and fight until they die how are they managing to level at all? Even on my Archer I carry potions, double if I'm planning on going into a kq.

[dericcyk]

threaten them, you're the cleric with the revive, sometimes newbie fighters who come into Mara KQ doesn't know how to fight mara/marlone, give them a run through, say those who are not tankers please fight directly from behind, or else if you die i'm not gonna waste my time reviving you, i'll only make sure the main tank is alive for the success of the whole quest.

I do that and i told the lvl 17 fighter in my party, if you die i won't revive you and you will have to use your hearts, and when you're out of hearts you would have wasted the KQ, at the final fight, after he died 2 times, he quietly sat at the side without attacking, hahaha anything to stay alive for completion of quest.

[Garbanian]

i think, cleric strike, next week, october 22. We all should. No reviving or healing except ourselves...see how they all like it.

[Kaleidoscope]

xD; I'm so for it!

I don't know I've had some really great and amazing KQs and some really bad ones too. My worst was when I was the only high cleric there, and there were only two other low level clerics in the place. x.x; So I had to do all the revs and the biggest heals on the tank at the same time. On top of that, the 'tank' could only take two hits before he died. And when I mean two hits, I mean the first hit laid him out to 22hp.

So what does he do? He starts going on at me for not healing him. xD; I mean. I only have a 2 second cool down on my heal, if he can't survive that long without it then it's not MY fault. >_> But everyone took his side and ganged up on the cleric. I'm passive aggressive and don't like conflict as it is, so I just walked up to Marlone and started wacking on him until he killed me. (I survived three hits. XD I think I should have been the one tanking.)

But instead of leaving it at that the people came and followed me in to Roumen and declared to everyone in shout "Adapt is the worst cleric ever!"

I was determined never to go into a KQ again after that. x.x; But I gave it another shot hoping to get into another party and then I had an AMAZING KQ. (There were many disasters, we won with 3 seconds left, but it was just awesome.)

But I've learned a LOT about being a cleric from some really high level people. :3 A level 53 fighter took me in on CP for some power leveling and taught me how to avoid being killed by 40+ mobs when you're only level 29.~ Saved my butt so many times it's pathetic, and I (would like to) think that my few second invisibles and pathetic 500hp heals helped him as well. I also learned from that how to heal myself with pots and potions within a second of being hit so I wouldn't die on the second hit, run to the fighter so he could spam taunt, and heal him all at the same time without arrgoing any other mobs. xD After THAT I feel my cleric skills are buffed enough that I can handle pretty much anything level 30 throws at me.

8D So I guess it depends on who you get stuck with in a KQ, or who you party with otherwise. :3 If you don't like the people, just leave, and try to brush it off. If someone starts nagging at you for being the worst cleric ever, you weren't the first and you can just hit shift+z when in town to get rid of them. xD

I also think that clerics should have a "loot body" option. So when an idiot dise and starts demanding revs, we can loot them for some money and then leave without reving them. xD Then maybe people would think twice about being stupid. (And maybe we could get some loot for once too. :O)

[Gravvi]

Finally that was straight to the point. I am tired of clerics getting yelled at by mainly fighters. I am tired of clerics and their im not gonna heal you attitude. If one isn't going to do something get over it. One thing i did when i get yelled at is just sat there and made the tank waste a life because i was teh only cleric and me and my party come first. I got yelled at for not healing him. he wasn't in my party. I am also pissed that when in a KQ there are 7 clerics but i am the one getting yelled at for not healing when there are 6 other people who can heal then you have stones and potions. I am tired of these clerics trying to prove a point to fighters when it is pointless. There are to many people who think they are VIP and they are not. SOme think i am a noob because i am not from closed beta. Well sorry I didn't know about this game. So here is my final word

FFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bravewhiteknight]

Alright. I have a character for every class in Fiesta, so I know what the Clerics do and what the Fighters do.

I have seen both sides of the fence, where a Cleric gets yelled at by a fellow Fighter member for not healing them in time, there are a lot of things a Cleric has to think about in a short time, and I agree, its not the easiest class.

Now, a Fighter has a good defense and attack, but its not enough to keep him alive forever, and I like to go solo alot when I'm grinding, so when I go to KQ, and I know the Clerics are busy reviving someone, or healing someone else, I use as many HP Stones/Pots as needed to keep my health from failing.

Clerics are not just there to support the Fighter class, they're for everybody. Whenever I get a chance, I thank a Cleric for healing me while im grinding, or during KQ when Marlone has taken a huge chunk out of my health. Clerics need appreciation, and that's one of the reasons that I am a Cleric as well, because I enjoy helping people, but in return, they should respect the fellow players that support their lifeline in battle.

Overall, I think Clerics should go on strike until Fighters get a better attitude towards them, and treat them with R-E-S-P-E-C-T. ^^

Until that time comes, I'll be on my Fighter, making Clerics the most appreciated class.

[Isila]

I know exactly where you're coming from - and you know what - I agree.

I can't tell you how many times I've been in a KQ such as Mara's... and the people are careless enough to run into a giant group of mobs ahead of everyone else, and they complain to the cleric, like it's the clerics fault they are impatient. And when you're the only cleric in the party and you're fighting something especially hard, it's difficult to heal everyone full before the next AOE swing.. I've seen so many mages and archers and even other clerics pull right in behind or around the boss in his range for AOE and they get slaughtered and complain "REZ ME!!!1!1" as soon as they die. People seriously need to learn there is a cooldown time for Revive...

Another thing that agitates me is when I go out of my way to Revive somebody and I don't even get a simple thanks, it happens more often than not. For example, I revived a fighter on Luminous Stone 2 yesterday, kinda went out of my way a bit which I don't mind, and I was with a friend. We get to the fighter, I revive and she walks off a bit and starts creating something (I'm guessing potions) she doesn't say a word, I ignore that fact because I'm used to it, about a minute goes by and my friend and I are killing some things and BOOM a mob pops out and kills her in one shot. And she had the nerve to complain to ME! -.- I just don't know sometimes.

[XXXPenoXXX]

clerics suck imo

[Ekairi]

clerics suck imo

Your opinion sucks...
All jobs are cool imo

Anywho...
how about we make a "Guide of how get great service from a Cleric" or something.

[Gavener]

i did a Slime KQ i told everyone there is 14 players and 2 clerics im going to use my healing to keep the TANK the only one who should have any aggro alive! i had a mage in my group cry saying we need a non noob cleric in my Group!! i was dude ive healed you more than the guy not in my group who is tank, then i said use your potions and stones stop aggring! he died 2 more times then got smart, what i hate is when tank isnt in my group and i got numnuts aggro mage in my group crying, what it comes down to is TANK first then maybe anyone else i can keep y group alive well cept its hard when need to heal outside my party

[kewlbonne]

haha.. i've experienced all those.. but funnily, no one mention about problematic mages!
well, not all mages.. but a portion of them always uses life tap. It's alright when we're not fighting boss but they do it when we are and demand for heal in order for them to continue using that dumb skill! wth is wrong with those mages? i'm busy healing the tank and here you ask for heal to use that ruddy life tap! geez.. i had to heal them in the end, because they were one of those that deals high damage to the mobs..

[kewlbonne]

and clerics gotto use pots/stones to heal tanker AND mages
maybe I should think twice before bother healing life tap mages.. its more important to win afterall.. it'll only take a tad longer to finish the boss w/o mages..

[Luna_Moore]

I really can't think of anything to add to this, since about everything has been said. I've been laughing so hard that I'm tearing. xD

I guess I'll share my worst KQ experiences:

Slime: No one would invite me to their party and the other cleric had the lowest heal... I was level 16 with the 270hp heal. I had to get King and Queen Slime to complete my quest which is impossible unless the tank is on my team! >__< So I went hiatus and let everyone die which doesn't work on my guilt since I wasn't in a party. XD Call me an evil cleric (paradox?) and say it was pointless but I don't care. I don't want to hit level 17 and not finish the overall quest, tyvm.


Mara: WHAT IS IT WITH THEM RUSHING?! *breathes until calm* Sheesh! I cannot heal 3 suicidal fighters at once, especially when they do NOT stand still and let me catch up! I've been in only 2 Mara KQs. Thanks to the rushing, I'm on the duplicates for quest requirements.

The first rush was a shock to my attention span, I missed the noobs from Slime KQ. XD I couldn't keep up with the rush at all. I kept getting attacked by monsters (not that I wasn't trying REALLY hard to avoid) and no one in my party would help me since they were WAY ahead of me. I survived due to a nice archer and a fighter from OTHER parties. I struggled to get to the fakes and then the annoying rushing fighters were all "omg, that's all that made it?" (I and someone else were complaining about the rushing and someone replied, "this isn't rushing! I've completed with 26 mins and blah-blah seconds exactly left!"...) It all ended in victory (for those that survived the rush.) I believe only 6 or 7 people made it through. =/

My second Mara KQ was rushed as well. I teamed up with the only other cleric from my party & made sure we killed off all the pirates that WE needed. xD That was FUN!!! Some idiot aggro'd both the fake Mara and Marlone... lots of deaths... bodies everywhere... I died twice. So in the end this awesome female cleric *forgot her name* ended up tanking. We took down one of the fakes. But before she could rest & use Cure, another idiot (or the same one since I was still catching up when the first idiotacy occured) brought over the other fake. *groan* We survived thanks to my #1 fave cleric tanker, my spam healing & all those kickbutt archers & mages. ;P (Yes, all the fighters killed themselves off.) We got inside the boat alright. Thanks to the past idiot(s), we had no patience for another noob screw up. XD

I survived past the first boss but the second one got me (there was a lot of running around and panicking since no one had sneering kick...) I would've been revived but being me, I hadn't adjusted from the Slime KQs and pressed that OK button a split second too fast. >__< That was my mistake. XD The entire group respwaned around me while I was resting. They won. ^^


I sort of wish you HAD to kill all the pirates off in Mara KQ... at least, the ones before the real Mara & Marlone. It would end the rushing which would make many, MANY happy clerics, archers & mages. :P

[floralwisp]

I sort of wish you HAD to kill all the pirates off in Mara KQ... at least, the ones before the real Mara & Marlone. It would end the rushing which would make many, MANY happy clerics, archers & mages. :P

I'm suprised they(since you died and got teleported) won with no help from the rush hour fighters. That goes to show that it is possible to survive Mara KQ without the fighter's help. Of course that probably made it twice as hard. xp

P.S I think your IGN names are pretty sweet, they remind me of cakes and such. The names fit your characters' appearances quite nicely as well.;)

[Cuddles101]

If clerics could hold aggro then we wouldn't need arrogant fighters in Mara KQ. I ended up in a Mara KQ once and there were no fighters at all and we all made it to the fake Mara and Marlone with no deaths. Everyone worked together, didn't rush and made a clear path by pulling only what needed to be pulled but because the clerics couldn't taunt the Fakes decimated us one by one.

[Luna_Moore]

I'm suprised they(since you died and got teleported) won with no help from the rush hour fighters. That goes to show that it is possible to survive Mara KQ without the fighter's help. Of course that probably made it twice as hard. xp

P.S I think your IGN names are pretty sweet, they remind me of cakes and such. The names fit your characters' appearances quite nicely as well.;)

LOL. Thank you. ^^ I was trying to get their names and looks to match (and I love to bake goodies... then eat my creations. xD)

If you take out the idiot who aggro'd both fakes at once and wouldn't let us rest, it was just as easy really. She was a level 25 cleric, so she could heal and I was there for when she got stunned. Aaaand, now my memory is saying "you idiot!" because there was one fighter. I don't register him as one. He was nice, had a little under 200hp, was lvl 17 or 18... and had no sneering kick. I failed to keep him alive a couple times. T__T He would never be a tank (obviously) so I guess he doesn't count as a rush hour fighter? lol.


... I really could've done without all the running around and panicking when Mara or Marlone decided to go on a mage and archer killing spree. :eek:

[Luna_Moore]

If clerics could hold aggro then we wouldn't need arrogant fighters in Mara KQ. I ended up in a Mara KQ once and there were no fighters at all and we all made it to the fake Mara and Marlone with no deaths. Everyone worked together, didn't rush and made a clear path by pulling only what needed to be pulled but because the clerics couldn't taunt the Fakes decimated us one by one.

Yes, we had that problem... we kept our distance and when that occured, everyone just stopped attacking and the tank cleric attacked and used her heal to re-aggro whatever we were fighting. I assume that's what she did, I was a bit busy running my butt off while trying to avoid aggroing other things. xD And I'm sure I'm not the only one who fell in love with her revive.

[Archaonn]

Most definitely, I've seen some pretty dumb fighters like: when I was main tanking Marlone a lvl 17 went forward and attacked him form the front, then the level 17 fighter got killed and he blamed it on the clerics saying 'why didn't you heal me noobs' and 'learn to heal' then he started saying 'rez noobs' 'you need me noobs' but the clerics told him to '£%!%$^$^£^^^$^$!^$^$£^!'.

Some Fighters need to show some clerics respect because If it wasn't for them you wouldn't live.

But I have seen some pompous Clerics who wanted to tank and would only heal themselves.

[Roseanna]

In the beginning I loved playing my cleric. But once I hit the mara KQs I started getting really annoyed. I've had KQs where the fighters called all the clerics idiots and "don't you know how to heal?" and "heal me you noob!" and everything else. The only gold hill I got into was the same. I made sure eveybody's health was okay, fought once in a while, mined once in a while. I got yelled at by the whole group for being a noob and everything else because I didn't just stand there healing every time someone's hp ducked one hit. I don't just waste my sp on healing because people lost 10hp. I heal when one of my heals (even if it's the lowest one) will get the most of its use. My 700sp goes quickly and I'm sick of blowing through sp pots so fast.

I actually stopped playing my cleric for about a week because I was sick of the insults and the way I was treated. Now I've started playing my cleric again, and I'm trying to be a little more outspoken. I had someone call all the clerics idiots and then demand a heal. I responded with, "Why should we heal someone who just insulted us?" That got an apology with an immediate request for a heal, but since we got an apology I went ahead and healed, and there were no more insults. I also had a mara KQ where I was one of two clerics, and the only one with rez. People all around were dropping dead and screaming at me to rez them. First I told them that I had to heal the tanks that were keeping the group as a whole alive first, then I told them that rez has a long cooldown and I would rez when I could and that some people would just have to use their hearts. For the bosses, if someone died I would cast invincible on the tank and rez the other person, but if I couldn't cast invincible first I couldn't take my focus off of the tank. That KQ actually turned out pretty well, my first positive experience in a while.

So yes, the way we're treated sometimes is horrible. We, as a whole, have to be more outspoken. If someone insults us then "why should I heal someone who insults me?" We need to stand up for ourselves. We're the ones keeping them alive, if they're going to treat us badly, then well I guess we just will have to keep other people alive instead and they can chug their hp pots and stones as fast as we chug our sp ones. We're a supporting class, yes, but that doesn't mean that we let ourselves get talked to like that, either.

[Gravvi]

I was watching my friends KQ it was King slime and there was only one cleric. THis one fighter wouldn't stop saying heal me. THe cleric made me really happy and said if you don't stop pestering my i will let u die. the KQ had 1 cleric 2 archers 1 mage and 11 Fighters. THey could spare a death. I was so happy she said that

[Duskfire]

just my 2-cents.

this is a game no point screaming at each other for no reason.

fighter or cleric - no one is perfect. no one is always right. no one is the best player.

we are all playing a game not no one gave "you" the right to scold each other - especially when you are in a party.

let's all try to understand each other's role and help each other along.


Please go jump off a cliff now v.v

[omizu]

I'm fairely new to fiesta, to gaming like this in general, but this past weekend, parting has left a bad taste in my mouth. Sure I'm a level 20 high cleric now, but two days ago I partied and LOST exp cause my party members would forget about me and I'd be busy healing them with them not protecting me. It just seems like it should be common sense.

[Leedles]

I'm fairely new to fiesta, to gaming like this in general, but this past weekend, parting has left a bad taste in my mouth. Sure I'm a level 20 high cleric now, but two days ago I partied and LOST exp cause my party members would forget about me and I'd be busy healing them with them not protecting me. It just seems like it should be common sense.

There's your problem. Unfortunately the majority of people don't have common sense :P

It makes me sad to be the most hated class on fiesta because of other players. I really wish people wouldn't make generalizations. It's the people behind the keyboard (not the class) after all. I've been told many times I'm a very good fighter ... proud to be so too.

Just remember there are incompetent morons in all classes. Generalizations are bad :(

[crystalorbie]

There's your problem. Unfortunately the majority of people don't have common sense :P

I really think that should be renamed uncommon sense, because it is a more accurate description.

Anyways, being a cleric (Orbie on Bijou now) who doesn't like the rushing part of the Mara KQ, I kindly ask not to rush, but to kill whatever attacks.

More often than not, the rest of the group aggrees, and we make it through ok.

But sometimes, we just don't have enough higher level people to get the KQ done, and if there is no way to win, I usually tell those who are left to go and kill everything we skipped for exp and such.

As for gold hill, the only times I have lost recently was because the last key was hidden in the last available ore to mine from, and I mean that almost literally...

And people shouldn't have it on sequential for the gold hill KQ, some people get glitched and can't move and such, or some people, like me, get the key and don't notice it.

My most recent win in the gold hill KQ was because of a speed increase scroll (tier 2, or 10%) that I had. It was on sequential, and I barely noticed that I had the key, there was 1:30 left on the clock, and because of the scroll, I got to the gate with 16 seconds to spare, which without the scroll, I never would have made it...

[edz_9121993]

Yes.It is about the people behind the keyboards.And I am a cleric too.It is annoying when they just ask for healing,but all this could be solved by COMMUNICATING.Decide ho is the main tanker and then heal him if you can.End of story.

[Forbin]

My main is a cleric, and I have a bit of experience with all 4 classes. (18,18,22 and my cleric is 33)


I have no problem at all when people whine and complain, especially in a KQ. During a boss fight, I will flat out refuse to heal anyone but the MT. If I feel confident that I can squeeze a heal off on someone else in my party, I will, but I'm certainly not going to risk the integrity of the entire KQ on a single overzealous mage or archer, or even worse a fighter that taunted away from the MT.

I just smile and keep healing the MT.

Now, on the other side of the spectrum, I find myself often luring with my archer, especially in Mara KQ. I don't expect heals. That's what stones are for. Sometimes I get healed, sometimes I don't. It's a bonus when I get heals. I never tank for very long on my archer. Most of the time there's at least one fighter with a clue and he'll kick them. I never get swarmed, and there isn't a single mob that can destroy me before I push my lovely "6" button. (Nature's Protection) :P

[Run34]

Heres my thoughts on clerics, solo and partied:
Solo: Some fighters think they are the only ones who can take a hit, its so annoying Clerics can tank, sometimes even better then a fighter if its a magic using monster seeing fighters have such low mage def, me and this friend, compared our mage def, hes lvl 32 fighter: Fighter: 68 mage def Me: 258.

Overall, we can tank anything but some of the chief monsters.

Party: Everyone acts like we are slaves and can heal anything., Fighter goes a lures 10 mobs on accident, dosn't use any stones, knows i can't heal the dps from mobs and dies and begins to scream at me cause i was healing every 2.1 seconds(maxed out cool down lowering thingy).

Also after level 47, everyone who sees you goes "buff plz" even if your on a mover or just walking, or killing something... annoying..
(and of course, person whos playing the dumb fighter is the idiot, not all fighters)
Comments? :D

[Roseanna]

I'm fairely new to fiesta, to gaming like this in general, but this past weekend, parting has left a bad taste in my mouth. Sure I'm a level 20 high cleric now, but two days ago I partied and LOST exp cause my party members would forget about me and I'd be busy healing them with them not protecting me. It just seems like it should be common sense.
I'm at the point now where, if I'm in a party and I'm not being treated how I'd like to be, I say goodbye and find another party or go solo. Let them figure out how to get themselves out of where they are without a cleric and maybe they'll appreciate their next cleric more.;)

[Run34]

Rose, i do that too if they don't have the drops on seq in places like CP =P

[farard]

clerics have the ultimate powers HEAL and RES, you you must make your own judgement about WHO deserves the benifit off these. if they screw you, you screw them they will soon get the picture.