Quit complaining about game balance!

[willemstyle]

So many people are complaining about the game balance!
I want everyone to have one thing burned in their minds:

Fiesta is a Player-VS-Environment based game!

That means, leveling up, become stronger, kill monsters, is the whole point of the game! PvP is just a added feature, to make players able to fight each other.

If you want a game only for its PvP, you'd better go to some other game! This game is teamwork, helping each other, and bring each other to higher levels!
BK weapons and Hellgaits are NOT to slash each other with, they are to kill monsters faster, or have a very good benefit while leveling-up.

Also, keep this fact in mind:
The true hero is not the person with the highest skill, but it's the person with the most sparkcash and best equipment.

Any opinions would be welcome :)

[willemstyle]

Oops.. forgot to select the correct area to post this topic. Any GM, please move this topic to it's correct destination!

[destiny1027]

You should PM one to move it...
Dont just expect one of the few to stumble across this post out of the hundreds posted daily. ;)

[vandaluske]

XD~~~ FINALLY!!! someone who thinks like me yay. Lols

Like to Chat, quest, Grind,Party,Vend?! = Play Fiesta!

Like to Kill, pvp, Flame,complain,hack?!?! = Play Cs ( Counter Strike)


If you ask me the game is balanced and great it just has some Bugs/glitches that need to be Fixed. So STOP complaining please xP. Just Play the game the way its ment to be played and have fun ^^.

<3333333333s to you all xD

[wannabeguyo]

I understand the game being PvE based, for god sakes it called Fiesta. Since PvP has been implemented it has become a large part of the game. So yes there is reason to complain about balance.

[YoshimaruOrona]

Sadly, many a player fail in realizing that PvE is epicly more important than PvP in this game.



Also, keep this fact in mind:
The true hero is not the person with the highest skill, but it's the person with the most sparkcash and best equipment.


Imo, the only way the person with the most sc stands as a hero is because he/she is making the game free for the rest of us.

Which is an irl win.

But in-game, 'tis a fail.

[numot]

I believe that you cannot deem PvE as more Important than PvP, as they are both elements of the game that play an equal role in shaping the community. To make such a statement is naive and reminiscent of a pacifist troubled by drama...hint hint

[Sockrawteez]

So many people are complaining about the game balance!
I want everyone to have one thing burned in their minds:

Fiesta is a Player-VS-Environment based game!

That means, leveling up, become stronger, kill monsters, is the whole point of the game! PvP is just a added feature, to make players able to fight each other.

If you want a game only for its PvP, you'd better go to some other game! This game is teamwork, helping each other, and bring each other to higher levels!
BK weapons and Hellgaits are NOT to slash each other with, they are to kill monsters faster, or have a very good benefit while leveling-up.

Also, keep this fact in mind:
The true idiot is not the person with the highest skill, but it's the person with the most sparkcash and best equipment.

Any opinions would be welcome :)

gah sorry just had to change that, much better~

[numot]

LOL which is why PvP is an equally important part of the game. hell, would you +9 your lvl 40 gear to take on the big bad Nox outside uruga? i think not.

and Supaku, if i remember correctly, you were complaining about balance yourself not to long ago. what is with the change of heart? cant take the heat Azumi, Sp3c and BW dishing out? words of peace and harmony? smells like a swan song to me.

[Sockrawteez]

well um..aside from my rather..violent past with epith pvp (Demonkayokey anyone?) i dont think classes SHOULD be balanced BECAUSE of pve, would take some of the fun/challenge away~

[numot]

who says they can't be balanced without jeopardizing PvE? plenty of MMO's Manage to do that.

[Sockrawteez]

but this is Outspark..they never do it right D:

[numot]

with the money we give them, they have no choice but to get it right. but keep in mind, this is still OPEN BETA

[Sockrawteez]

but you allso have to realize, OS doesnt do the gameplay ends and what-not, thats the korean company

and IF (cos iunno) they're not in open beta anymore, we will NEVER get that change (unless they already have it..which i doubt)

[numot]

Korean fiesta aint o bad. less balance issues, because all their weapon and armor values add up. they just send OS raw bugged data to deal with

[Sockrawteez]

well, then OS should take time to FIX it nut just shovel it out to us

[numot]

Agreed xd 100%

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

So many people are complaining about the game balance!
I want everyone to have one thing burned in their minds:

Fiesta is a Player-VS-Environment based game!

That means, leveling up, become stronger, kill monsters, is the whole point of the game! PvP is just a added feature, to make players able to fight each other.

If you want a game only for its PvP, you'd better go to some other game! This game is teamwork, helping each other, and bring each other to higher levels!
BK weapons and Hellgaits are NOT to slash each other with, they are to kill monsters faster, or have a very good benefit while leveling-up.

Also, keep this fact in mind:
The true hero is not the person with the highest skill, but it's the person with the most sparkcash and best equipment.

Any opinions would be welcome :)

(sarcasm soon:))

:O so you were one of the programmers on the development team, I can tell because you are so insightful ;D. Free Battle Zone must be an area where players can freely chat with other players and expect not to die. Hmm, I should go to the abyss and ask other players to hold hands and sing Kumbaya maybe we level faster you think? 0.o I agree that the person with the highest sc and best equip maybe the best, but isn't he a hero too? Sc= choice.... >.> everyone else is choosing to fail :O sounds almost like the real world 0_0.

(hmm, I wonder if i was too sarcastic that I was sarcastic about being sarcastic o.o)

(serious)

The title fiesta simply means party, in that sense it does not tell the players anything about what the game's main basis is other than partying. Anyone who thinks because the game is title fiesta = pve based games need to study linguistics. Rather, because players are allowed to party and kill other players in the abyss, guild wars etc, the term fiesta which is also the title becomes an arbitrary term which encompasses one of the things you mainly do in the game which is party. Rather, then go on and on and provide the community with a lesson on linguistics and so on, in my opinion fiesta is more than just pve, it is a game with includes the "choice" to play pve and or pvp in that sense class balance is necessary. bbl later i had to rush g2g >.>

[numot]

I agree with you 100%.

[AParadiseLost]

with the money we give them, they have no choice but to get it right. but keep in mind, this is still OPEN BETA

Know what is hilarious? Click quote for link.


Hey there,

A few comments on this discussion:



Fiesta is not currently in Open Beta, nor should you see anything on the site containing that language. If you do, please let us know. We have no plans for any character wipes. Fiesta is currently in live commercial service.



I'm not sure where you got this information, but we have not made any public statements about where Fiesta is with respect to its planned lifetime. All I can say is that we hope to support the game and release content for it as long as player involvement justifies our efforts. :)

Typically software leaves the "Beta" phase once it enters commercial status. Wikipedia has a nice explanation (http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1346964#post1346964):


General availability (GA) is the point where all necessary commercialization activities have been completed and the software has been made available to the general market either via the web or physical media.

We publicly announced the debut of the Fiesta Store on November 7, 2007 - just over a year ago. Click here (http://corp.outspark.com/news/20071107-01.php) to read the full release.

Hope all this information is helpful.

[numot]

well dang. OS best pick up the pace then. now everything is inexcusable

[minkkungox]

Fiesta Fighter online XD

[YoshimaruOrona]

I wanna clarify a little bit.

PvE is only more important than PvP because you can't do any kind of PvP until you show (the game?) that you can fare reasonably well in most PvE situations.

This is also known as leveling.

As an experiment, I'd like someone to try PvP'ing in the area of their choice at level 1.

Then do it again at level 11.

Then again at 21.

And so on and so forth.

PvE and PvP forms the game's community, but the game's design was focused around PvE, not PvP. More PvP aspects are being added because OOS wants to attract the PvP-lovers. But we can't ignore that features like abyss and PvP KQ were added long after the game's original creation. I think when the game was created, the only PvP features that were around were FBZ and guild wars.

But since both (FBZ and GW's) were non-beneficial for the winners and non-hazardous for the losers, then it just reduced the significance of those PvP opportunities even more. It was nothing more than a break from leveling and something to do when bored.

Now PvP KQ presents the opportunity to GAIN from being a good PvPer, which is a first.

Abyss presents a clash of PvE'ers VS PvP'ers. And because PvP'ers are so buffed up and enhanced to reduce the chance of losing, it causes nothing but distress for PvE'ers. Abyss is the only hazardous PvP area in the game in the sense that players lose EXP if they die. Which is considerate compared to other MMO's, but a bit cynical in the sense that a PvE'er isn't always built/geared to fare well against another player.

(Lmao, I went off on a nice tangent there.)

PvE > PvP because you can't PvP until you level and/or get epic gears, both of which are achieved by PvE (and cash shop) means =D Or ... you can PvP the instant you join, but you're going to suck entirely at it.

There we go, back on topic.



EDIT: And yes, OS and OOS both need to wake up and take care of their software child.