Honeying KQ......

[sonlen1414]

Who else thinks there should be more time for the honeying kq? It just seems almost impossible to beat in 30 minutes with 10 people, even if almost everyone was level 50. Post your thought, maybe we can get more time or more people allowed in it.

[Asmodejjj]

7-8 people have managed to do it.........go buy some SC items >.>

[devin_nicolai]

You beat me to it asm <<
Do what everyone else does at a helga raid, stack your charms

[Asmodejjj]

Yup.......170% ftw.


It IS kinda fun advertising SC items xD

[whitelove21]

yea u need more people atlest n kq shouldnt be base on spark cash even thro i do buy em but i never beat it once but finish all my quest for it thro

[palmfruits]

I've managed to beat Honeying with parties without +9s and SC... I think. I know when I beat it I didn't use SC. You just need a good, well-rounded group of people who know what they're doing. DON'T split up, and keep everyone together. Clerics should know who they're healing and tankers have to just keep rounding up mobs. Clerics should invinc the tankers when possible, yaddayadda.

I actually enjoy Honeying because of the challenge. Yes, there have been many fails, but I've had quite a few amount of successes. It's not impossible. I was even in 3 successful Honeying KQs in a row o.o

[seph82]

I think just need 15 people and dont 10 for do it.
And stop said always buy SC items, this is a free game and dont: "Donate for play"

[globule]

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You just need a good, well-rounded group of people who know what they're doing. DON'T split up, and keep everyone together. Clerics should know who they're healing and tankers have to just keep rounding up mobs. Clerics should invinc the tankers when possible, yaddayadda.
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That is actually the only way to do it, having the majority of players knowing how to play their character.
And this KQ is there exactly to force people to realise this.
Sadly, less and less people realize what 'mobbing' is or healing or AOEing as they level from 1 to 30 in a few hours.

SC is of minimal help here [hope it stays that way] as yet.

And no, I never had a success with it, but got very close a few times, and is the KQ I had the most fun in [as a Cleric] and the one I was most frustrated when seeing people shrooming 'no stones, no pots' etc...

Hoping they leave that KQ alone, please Outspark, do not nerf everything.

[YoshimaruOrona]

This KQ would be so much more effective in terms of teaching people that they need to play their roles IF and ONLY IF there wasn't other KQ's that players could go to from levels 40~50.

If Honeying KQ is meant to be a learning experience, then why would OOS allow players to be able to go to Robo, Warrior's Code, or MD at the same time?

The only justification for Honeying KQ to be so difficult is the possibility of a blue as a reward. That's about it.

If OOS really cared about things like "difficulty", they would make 7x abyss NOT absurdly easy for lv50+ grinders.

[cercia]

Having beaten Honeying at least 6 times on my archer, 4 times on my mage, and once on my other archer and cleric each, I feel I can venture some ideas.

Firstly, the reward set is worth between 9s and 30s if you simply NPC the mats (depends on quantity you get), to say nothing of the slim chance of getting a Honeying Blue. Considering the Robo rewards (less than 2s NPCed, even with Robo Perfects), and the actual rewards for MD (excluding the mining, which, if you forget a pickaxe, doesn't net you anything) are roughly the same.

This level of reward, when it started, was not exactly skimpy. You can use t3 scrolls, Endures are possible, and it is just before the level that the archer becomes the mobbing master.

It is not meant to be easy. Honeying, even with multiple successes, is the most expensive KQ.

In one case, I was on my mage, and the tank missed pulling seven mobs in the first five minutes. Seven. All right at the start, so they'd have to backtrack to get them, wasting precious time. After trying to cover for him by snagging them en route (and receiving no support for it), I gave up and suicided out. That was the most miserable failure of a KQ I've ever seen. Even worse than the "no hope" scenarios.


However, various solutions to the difficulty are possible. My archer was in one where she grabbed the monsters (taking the initial hits), and the DD fighters mocked/deva'd them off her for the kills. It worked surprisingly well, and she only died once (my own error - I stoned to early).

Another one was populated with at least four mages, and one of the two fighters couldn't take enough hits, so my mage had to pull weight as a second tank - with only a 5xx defense. Interestingly, she never died. I blame the clerics, who were really very good.


Here's the key in both of those successes - the other players knew how to do what they do well. You have to cut the chaff fast - but only 1-2 people can be chaff with ten people. New players to Honeying learn by example, so aoe fast and early.

And that's really the ultimate solution. Information and competence. Those that know how to and can mob and aoe are those that can drag even a mediocre group up to the third floor. Even a cleric can mob and keep the aggro in Honeying (personal experience, and we made it halfway around the third floor)....
Aids that make the solution easier: preparation. If you form your party beforehand, you buy yourself those two minutes everyone spends milling around trying to party. If everyone is informed of what they need to do beforehand, it makes the act so much easier to execute.

And every now and then, you'll get an archer who levels to 51 near the start of the KQ, and proceeds to Nature's Mist the group to the victory (also guilty). :D

[sonlen1414]

My problem is that i get stuck with people who just run off or get in their house and go afk for the whole quest, which is very annoying, they think that they can get in a pty and move only when they get out of range so they can get the quests and exp. from the kills. Ive been stuck with people like that all the time, so i havnt beat it yet.

[mikeming81]

i haven't seen any proof at all that honeying kq gives 50 blues :). so..its just a learning experience :D

[YoshimaruOrona]

A player on Epith acquired a level 50 blue shield as a Honeying KQ reward. Their name escapes me, but I know for a fact that it happened. He even went so far as to make a lv50 char for farming Honeying KQ when he's bored.

[bariban]

Nooo! Honeying KQ is the only KQ that should be kept as is. Even though I've only won once after 30+ times playing, it's fun, frustrating yet challenging.

[politoad]

O.o i win honeying alot its not that hard

[SweetLavender]

<-- finds nothing wrong with Honeying kq. I've done it, gotten extremeley close, but never succeeded. had nothing to do with the time or number of people. just the number of people of each class and the teamwork

[eagle_8364]

Ooooh i want a honeying lvl 50 blue :( I heard also someone got a kaimto shield there, seems the person had War Rant, I dunno if its true that war rant affects your kq chests O.o ) and yuuuuush no need to change it at all >.< Oh wait yeah change it a bit!! increase blue drop rate mwhahahaha >=D lmao jk ^_^ keep it hard <3

[cercia]

He even went so far as to make a lv50 char for farming Honeying KQ when he's bored.

He's not the only one who attempts to farm it.

I said it was expensive. I wasn't joking. Huge money sink.


Edit:
Even if they increase the blue drop rate, it still needs to be beaten.

[eagle_8364]

I have o-o beat it and yeah We know there are several farmers (I don't use SC stuff just plain and so far kinda randomish with groups that get in there o-o) TRUE it's a lot of money wasting thats why when i see someone slacking in the kq I simply log out and or stop trying... but when there are good groups(good cleric and AOE'rs) I don't waste much money im talking basically about T3 potions, T3 scrolls well i use one round for 2 hoenyings, and just once I've beat it with only t1 scrolls XD (great cleric i had :D)

Ohh and my best time have been with 8 fighters 2 clerics lol, I hate when I'm the only fighter, no chain stun FTL. Dx

[Lety23]

This KQ would be so much more effective in terms of teaching people that they need to play their roles IF and ONLY IF there wasn't other KQ's that players could go to from levels 40~50.

If Honeying KQ is meant to be a learning experience, then why would OOS allow players to be able to go to Robo, Warrior's Code, or MD at the same time?

The only justification for Honeying KQ to be so difficult is the possibility of a blue as a reward. That's about it.

If OOS really cared about things like "difficulty", they would make 7x abyss NOT absurdly easy for lv50+ grinders.

The most I have seen in 7x is archers. They get their mist and they can kite right about anything. At that point, going to 5x only gets you to a certain lvl, and then the experience just plain sucks. 7x is good when you dont have a party since 6x is filled with mobs and going in alone could result in dying and exp. loss.

As for the Honeying KQ:

Sorry, my screenie is on the other computer.
I went into my first Honeying KQ on my mage (lvl40) and succeeded.

In my opnion, I'm kind of stuck in the middle.
It seems that a good tank has to have +9s (weapon) in order to successfully tank large mobs fast enough. With the growing number of +9s being spread around the game, it shouldn't be much of a problem, right? Well, if you are new to the game, and most likely if you don't have another high leveled character or use SC, you will not have enough In-game money to buy a +9 (especially with the prices raising by the minute lol).

With that in mind, if there happens to be a situation where non-SC users and no +9 tankers join the Honeying KQ, most likely it will fail. However, with the right tank, if sufficient damage, it can be done.