Should There Be A Wipe?

[Dreconus]

Ok, I don't know if i will get this right, but i am starting a poll, or petition if you will. i want to know how many people think that this game should be wiped in the transition to obt or stay as it is?

Now take into consideration what i'm about to tell you. people are not that high of a lvl, we've only had a week at it. Also the economy is well grown into something very desirable. item's are starting be sold, yes there is a small quest for lvl 16 job change. and people sell them cheap. i ussually do a little Player Held Event once a day at any time i want. ussually Giving away money(cuz i gotz tooz much) or giving away Lucky Ball's ussualy 3-4 at a time. now mind you gm does do "Some" event's and ussually award a lucky ball. just today i gave out 2 yellow balls and 1 blue ball 2 of them were low lvl not even 2 their first job change, today's event was Riddles... i'm thinking tommorow may be my OWN type of hide and seek... So Player's Please; Choose wisely, i will not dislike your decision


P.S. Lucky Balls are pretty much a slot machine that spits out avatar clothing for you character... there is tons of kool one's my character looks like a little girl XD. im the definition of Smexeh.

P.P.S. I'd Love It if this post could be stickied. Maybe atleast for a week?

[hickwarrior]

Yay for the thread under this one? There is something like this already.

[Dreconus]

Yay for the thread under this one? There is something like this already.

Yes, but... Mine is more formal. And besides, his grammar is Atrocious. Also, he lacked Specifications Why, or Why not it should be wiped.

[hickwarrior]

Ah ok... so you want this thread become a clean and formal discussion about whether to wipe or not.

They did say they aren't certain if they will wipe, but a wipe would be good. At least everyone will get a fresh start. We'll see what happens.

NOTE: about atrocious grammar, don't blame the forum users for it. They are either a) too lazy to do it right or b) english isn't exactly their main language and the hardest for them to learn.

[Dreconus]

Ah ok... so you want this thread become a clean and formal discussion about whether to wipe or not.

They did say they aren't certain if they will wipe, but a wipe would be good. At least everyone will get a fresh start. We'll see what happens.

There isn't anything wrong with the game. It's really great actually and average lvl i'd have to say is what? about lvl 20-30? I'm lvl 47, But that's because u've played 10-16 hours a day since the minute it came online...
if it were to be wiped, then many many player's would be starting over. and the reason i wouldn't liek that is because i love helping other's. i wouldn't mind it too much, but i many other's that would quit the game because of it. you would understand it if you played cbt... or are you in it?

The only People that select yes are probably not in the beta and wan't to lvl higher than other's. well FYI, there's not many hardcore player's it's just me and like, 5 other's out of ALOT of people.


I need a life... ~.~

[Pirosavai]

Well I think there should be a wipe for a few good reasons:
And while I wasn't in CBT (yet) I'm trying not to be biased...
For non-invite peoples: 1) You'll start with no people at high level and therefore be equal and have members to form partys of the same level
2) I suppose that's the only reason I can think of for that but it is annoying not being able to form partys cos' everyone is higher level

For invite peoples (lucky): 1) If you don't roll back there may be quests that appear in the OB that give really kewl items, but you're too high a level.
2) It's always nice to have a fresh start and make some new friends :P
3) I suppose if you have a good conscience, you'll want to help new people and be similar level to them

But I suppose I don't mind wipes personally, I like fresh starts, but that's my opinion nonetheless!

[hickwarrior]

well, i'm not in CB and when i look at higher levels i feel a bit jealous. But nonetheless, i don't care there. It's just for a fresh start for everyone.

And don't worry, you are a gamer, they got LOTS of lives.

[Dreconus]

Well I think there should be a wipe for a few good reasons:
And while I wasn't in CBT (yet) I'm trying not to be biased...
For non-invite peoples: 1) You'll start with no people at high level and therefore be equal and have members to form partys of the same level
2) I suppose that's the only reason I can think of for that but it is annoying not being able to form partys cos' everyone is higher level

For invite peoples (lucky): 1) If you don't roll back there may be quests that appear in the OB that give really kewl items, but you're too high a level.
2) It's always nice to have a fresh start and make some new friends :P
3) I suppose if you have a good conscience, you'll want to help new people and be similar level to them

But I suppose I don't mind wipes personally, I like fresh starts, but that's my opinion nonetheless!


1. 50-70% of the population is lvl 25 under. you can't party or start lvling until you do intown quests which end when you reach lvl 11.
2. no new quests will be given, unless made by other town's or newly released npc's. the game is Very similiar to Xenepic's
3. if they wipe. i can promise you by the time the average lvl is 25 ill be 40...
there will never be an equality with a wipe, i think i got near lvl 27 in my first day...same as some other friends.

if only a few ppl entered the game new to it. there would definatly be a party for them. there are Tons and Tons of newb's still lvling from lvl 12+

[Pirosavai]

Well o'course, I'm not in CBT so I won't know, I was only making an educated guess

Otherwise, I suppose I'm on the bench now with hickwarrior

[Kitysedai]

*sigh* This gets discussed so much.... it is CBT people 99% chance there will be a wipe, if not cool, but I am counting on that there will be since almost every game I have heard of has done it. Only real plus I can see to no wipe is it will be OMG crazy when OB comes and everyone is doing the beginning quests....

[Teifer]

There is so many posts regarding this subject.

Normally : - Closed Beta's Participants will be wiped.

Normally : - Open Beta's Participants will be wiped.

Guys... your not here to play and build up big powerful character that will last till the game ends. Your here to look for problems, bugs, typo's and to report them.

Please stop concentrating on your characters and wipes and help the GM's produce a game that's bug free for when it does go live.

[Dreconus]

There is so many posts regarding this subject.

Normally : - Closed Beta's Participants will be wiped.

Normally : - Open Beta's Participants will be wiped.

Guys... your not here to play and build up big powerful character that will last till the game ends. Your here to look for problems, bugs, typo's and to report them.

Please stop concentrating on your characters and wipes and help the GM's produce a game that's bug free for when it does go live.

... but, i love my big powerful character *sniff*....

[hickwarrior]

Umm, OBs don't wipe AFAIK.

[Dreconus]

Umm, OBs don't wipe AFAIK.

WRONG!!! they ussually don't unless there is a big issue like a bug, or an exploit!

[zenthius]

pretty much Dreconus took the word right out of my mouth i may not be 40+ *Went to hospital for 30 hours* but i am 31 and riseing XD cause i spend way too much time on this game. No Wipe please.

[Teifer]

Umm, OBs don't wipe AFAIK.

Sorry, but that statement is wrong.

Most major companies will wipe at all stages of their games. Alpha's, cbt's, obt's, so that when live version comes, everyone starts on a fair and even footing.

However, I do know some games that allow obt's information to carry on into live, as this kick starts the economy for some games. This kick start really is needed for some games. Can we say that for this game?


Expect a wipe at any stage of game testing and don't moan. Your here testing things... nothing else. Anything gained at this stage is for the benifit of the developers, if you find and report problems.

The only benifit to potential players is long term information only. You get the chance to learn the game, know where things are, move quickly, quest quickly and level quicker than a new customer when game goes live.

Learn, explore and have fun, whilst reporting problems at this stage and worry about starting again later, if you get wiped.

[Dreconus]

Sorry, but that statement is wrong.

Most major companies will wipe at all stages of their games. Alpha's, cbt's, obt's, so that when live version comes, everyone starts on a fair and even footing.

However, I do know some games that allow obt's information to carry on into live, as this kick starts the economy for some games. This kick start really is needed for some games. Can we say that for this game?


Expect a wipe at any stage of game testing and don't moan. Your here testing things... nothing else. Anything gained at this stage is for the benifit of the developers, if you find and report problems.

The only benifit to potential players is long term information only. You get the chance to learn the game, know where things are, move quickly, quest quickly and level quicker than a new customer when game goes live.

Learn, explore and have fun, whilst reporting problems at this stage and worry about starting again later, if you get wiped.


Lol, i love correcting you. You are stating obvious fact's for P2P MMO's. this is Clearly F2P. Almost ALL F2P MMO's dont wipe during obt, and can on not to rare occasion Not Wipe... but, keep going. i love your reply's im on a roll!

P.S. see ya later going to eat and sleep!

[Pirosavai]

buh bye and night Dreconus :P

[Teifer]

Lol, i love correcting you. You are stating obvious fact's for P2P MMO's. this is Clearly F2P. Almost ALL F2P MMO's dont wipe during obt, and can on not to rare occasion Not Wipe... but, keep going. i love your reply's im on a roll!

P.S. see ya later going to eat and sleep!


All I am really saying is... expect a wipe, if you don't get one, it's a bonus.

[DESOUL]

I've voted for a whipe.
Well reasons are:
1. Wouldn't be fair to the new OB players
2. CB players that tested a few classes might now chose they most apropriate.
3. The economics is kinda broken in CB , and it would ruin even more if there would be old players in the new OB.
4. I'd like to start from a white sheet with all the ppl together ^_^


-Lawful

[hickwarrior]

Well, i didn't knew that. Cause every OB i have seen is no wipe at all...

[Pirosavai]

Same here, no wipes on OBs for me :P

But all wipes on CB

[zeromanzx]

yes but i find that the generator in the quintith nebula actaully aids the technogors in destruction of argorth from sector ZXY729 of Crandibular Nebula, henceforth the potato is superior to the sports bra because you cant make french fries out of a sports bra, in conclusion, i would like to state that zeus does not exist and that E = mc2, and that Zercrabon has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion of all of your perversions, frankly i am disgusted at you all, good night and have a pleasent tommorrow.

[hickwarrior]

who the hell are you?

[Pirosavai]

Ermm, yeah...same question -_-

[Alezio]

he's kind of crazy anyway
hahah

[Juitonic]

dont get any invitition :mad:
so..... this game should be wiped

[Jiiix]

yes but i find that the generator in the quintith nebula actaully aids the technogors in destruction of argorth from sector ZXY729 of Crandibular Nebula, henceforth the potato is superior to the sports bra because you cant make french fries out of a sports bra, in conclusion, i would like to state that zeus does not exist and that E = mc2, and that Zercrabon has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion of all of your perversions, frankly i am disgusted at you all, good night and have a pleasent tommorrow.

:confused: omg ***? :eek:

[Dreconus]

yes but i find that the generator in the quintith nebula actaully aids the technogors in destruction of argorth from sector ZXY729 of Crandibular Nebula, henceforth the potato is superior to the sports bra because you cant make french fries out of a sports bra, in conclusion, i would like to state that zeus does not exist and that E = mc2, and that Zercrabon has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion of all of your perversions, frankly i am disgusted at you all, good night and have a pleasent tommorrow.

hmm, i see your point... i've had it wrong all these times. i see i got it a little mixed up. so it's called tommorrow? i just kept saying the Next Day...

[LegPhoenix]

To be honest, people who have the time to play games 16 hours a day, are the same type of people who will be more prone to killing themselves over losing a char that they spent so much of thier worthless existence to achieve. So I hope there is a wipe, and these darwin rejects drop off the face of the planet.

I mean seriously if you weren't one of those types of people, then a wipe is NOT the end of the world. And to those people who would quit because of it, good riddence to bad rubbish.

[Athey]

Secret of the Solstice is following in the footsteps of Fiesta. Fiesta had a CBT (invitation only) with a wipe, so it is pretty likely that SOS will be the same way considering outspark is running both of them.


Also, any closed beta test that is invite only RARELY doesn't wipe the CBT characters that were made. The only time characters aren't wiped in a closed beta test is when the closed beta testing involved anyone who signed up, instead of by invite.

[Judaea]

NO TO WIPE. Like I said, you all are just mad that you did'nt get in to CB so your all wanting a wipe. OF COURSE you want a wipe cuz if you did'nt get in CB then your gonna be like "omfg i cant believe i did'nt get in" and then your gonna see people talkin about it and be like "damn thats retarded, i hope they wipe so there not leet anymore cuz i'm jealous". I'm not even goon waste my breath anymore because 90% of the people voting for a wipe are the ones that did'nt get invite...give me a break people and stop whining.

[Alezio]

NO TO WIPE. Like I said, you all are just mad that you did'nt get in to CB so your all wanting a wipe. OF COURSE you want a wipe cuz if you did'nt get in CB then your gonna be like "omfg i cant believe i did'nt get in" and then your gonna see people talkin about it and be like "damn thats retarded, i hope they wipe so there not leet anymore cuz i'm jealous". I'm not even goon waste my breath anymore because 90% of the people voting for a wipe are the ones that did'nt get invite...give me a break people and stop whining.

haha
just SO selfish
and not realistic
there is a lot of people that are in the CB
that vote for the wipe
is a fair thing
you are egoist
that is the problem
focus on your objetive in CB
that is to find bugs
not to level up and be the most strong of all
gosh

[Pirosavai]

Well said Alezio, I don;t think I can add anything to that.

We don't want a wipe because we are jeolous, we know we'll catch up eventually, but we just want everyone to have fun in the game when it is officially released to the public ^^

[aznhmg]

Yes Because...
CBT are supposed to only TEST the game not just play it for the fun of it..that's the second part only to when ur a CBT

and besides...the advantages the CBT's could have when OB opens...there's LOTS of advantages they'd have...

[lplove]

Dammit people, drop the subject. We all know the drill already. We all have our views, but do they hold any significance whatsoever?--No.

[Herodotus]

Ok, my first post. Everyone has good reasons to wipe or not. I'm not a cbt. But if I were, I guess I would be obligated, in the spirit of a tester, to go with whatever they decide. Sure it would be nice to keep a high level character. As the game expands(?) there'll be room for my character to grow. Eventually there would be add-on's, new maps, new towns, etc. But I'm not a high level character yet (22). I'm only just high enough to garner a teensy bit of respect. Also, I'm your typical blue-collar, 'unedicated' player. Wife, kid, etc. I can only spend maybe 3 or 4 hours a day or so without having my butt kicked to the couch. So, for me, I've worked too hard to be able to afford a wipe. But if they do, they do. Its free after all.

[Dreconus]

i'm... very... very... disapointed in all of you people. you havn't taken into consideration anything i have said. you know how long for a stable economy to build up in a game? after lvl 30, your luck to get your skills/spells until lvl 40+, i promise you a month after obt and it's wiped it will be exactly the saem as it is. except ill be in the top 5 highest lvl characters...with a guild!

[shinkutana]

yo its me shinkutana and no if we wipe then we are gonna make fun of noobs plus if they dont wipe now they willwipe later so if youre already a lvl 100 or something get ready to say bye-bye in a few months. and yes i got an invataion.(WAHOOOOO!!!!!!)

[anthonyblank]

Drconus:I need a life... ~.~[/QUOTE]

Yeah true, you do. I talked to you in game and you were an absolute ***. So stop blowing all that steam up there. You just dont want a wipe because you have played obsessively since day 1 hour 1 second 1.
Next time you decide to tell the world your a real nice guy, try backing it with some proof.


P.S. this is how our conversation went:
Ziack: Hi
You: Hi
Ziack: what lvl are you?
You: high lvl
Ziack: Ok..whats high lvl?
You: not telling
Ziack: lol, wth, why not?
You: because it makes people jelous

I mean, wth is that? a nice guy speaking? yeah right...

P.P.S. As i CBT myself, i think there should be a wipe, too many people aren't given the oppotunity to play, it's simply not fair.

[Paralytik]

Been playing actively in the beta up until now, and quite frankly Im all for a wipe.

It's closed beta after all, people werent let in to get a head start. Our reward for helping look for bugs is a preview of the game. If you wanted to invest that much time a day into it per day... then that was your choice, you still knew it was closed beta and hopefully all those hours actually yielded quite a number of bugs found and reported on your behalf. Anyhow people always ask for no wipes in every game Ive tried, it's usually pretty much accepted that it will happen. I can only imagine how it would be if people started expecting no wipes at every closed beta, and the fits they'd throw if there ever was one compared to now.

[anthonyblank]

1. 50-70% of the population is lvl 25 under. you can't party or start lvling until you do intown quests which end when you reach lvl 11.
2. no new quests will be given, unless made by other town's or newly released npc's. the game is Very similiar to Xenepic's
3. if they wipe. i can promise you by the time the average lvl is 25 ill be 40...
there will never be an equality with a wipe, i think i got near lvl 27 in my first day...same as some other friends.

if only a few ppl entered the game new to it. there would definatly be a party for them. there are Tons and Tons of newb's still lvling from lvl 12+

Sorry for multible posts guys, i just really despise this guy.
lvl 27 on your first day? what a crock of shyt, lol. I heard you talking with someone on day 3 of the game...you said you were lvl 27 on that day...man your just full of crap...argh.
A server wipe WILL bring equality, this game IS Xenepic Online, and PLEASE...stop posting your crap everywhere, there will be a server wipe.

[xLance]

Sorry for multible posts guys, i just really despise this guy.
lvl 27 on your first day? what a crock of shyt, lol. I heard you talking with someone on day 3 of the game...you said you were lvl 27 on that day...man your just full of crap...argh.
A server wipe WILL bring equality, this game IS Xenepic Online, and PLEASE...stop posting your crap everywhere, there will be a server wipe.

He was 27 on HIS first day. Read the post before you slander him.

[Rakushune]

Nothing really much to add as far as pointers go for each side of the argument.

So I'll just add my opinion and be done with it.

Should there be a wipe for Closed Beta. Yes.

Does there absolutely have to be one? No.

I'd rather prefer if they allow for quicker level ups in the game so people can reach higher ranks of skill and jobs to test them out without going all sorts of crazy. I predict only a handful of people will reach level 66(depends on how long CB is up) to obtain their 2nd jobs as things are and they are dedicated people who are pretty much only leveling.

So making leveling quick for Closed Beta then making the wipe at the end official would be best for the testers as well as the game itself(more things are tested).

However, I doubt that will be the case so I'm not going crazy with leveling as some people seem to be. I'll take my time and fool around remembering that exploring new areas and helping new players is just as fun and fulfilling as being the highest level said class on the server and when it comes down to it and they either wipe or don't wipe, I'll be happy with either.

[bustaqwerty]

Even with a wipe, it won't bring equality to the server. Sure people will start out the same levels, but the CBTs will have advantage of where to level where the quests are, etc. Like Lance said read the post before you slander him.

[Alezio]

everyone's opinion counts
but in the end
wipe
is not a player decition
im a CBT and vote for the wipe
think is the most fair for all players
thank all for your opinions
bye ;)

[Icedx]

Keep in mind that his character had more than one player playing on it. So he could have reached that lvl easy. Oh excuse me, THEY could have reached that level easy.

same gets the same

[hickwarrior]

Anyway, you guys should know that it's the company's call. Not yours. even if you were to write that you don't want it, it's useless towards the company's owners.

Think about that.

And Judaea, if i were to be a CBTer and got a nice level or w/e, and they would still wipe, i would have to accept it. Like i said, not my call. Nor yours. So have fun searching for another game, if you don't like the wipe.

[Dreconus]

Drconus:I need a life... ~.~

Yeah true, you do. I talked to you in game and you were an absolute ***. So stop blowing all that steam up there. You just dont want a wipe because you have played obsessively since day 1 hour 1 second 1.
Next time you decide to tell the world your a real nice guy, try backing it with some proof.


P.S. this is how our conversation went:
Ziack: Hi
You: Hi
Ziack: what lvl are you?
You: high lvl
Ziack: Ok..whats high lvl?
You: not telling
Ziack: lol, wth, why not?
You: because it makes people jelous

I mean, wth is that? a nice guy speaking? yeah right...

P.P.S. As i CBT myself, i think there should be a wipe, too many people aren't given the oppotunity to play, it's simply not fair.[/QUOTE]


lol, well i'm not like that. that wasn't me lol. i'm the guy that talk on the forums and Mainly plays during the day. for the first few day's my friend used my character at night. and i have to admit, well i can plainly say...

He is an ***...

[hickwarrior]

Well, i do have to admit, looking at others higher levels makes jealous at times. But i plainly ignore it, anyway.

[Dreconus]

Sorry for multible posts guys, i just really despise this guy.
lvl 27 on your first day? what a crock of shyt, lol. I heard you talking with someone on day 3 of the game...you said you were lvl 27 on that day...man your just full of crap...argh.
A server wipe WILL bring equality, this game IS Xenepic Online, and PLEASE...stop posting your crap everywhere, there will be a server wipe.

Lol, for 1 i know this is Xenepic Online... and 2, that again. wasnt me that lied to you about my lvl. I was 27 slightly lower or hgiher. in the first 24 hours(wich my char was on almost a full 24 hours. i always tell people my actual lvl. right now i am lvl 47 or 48 i forget. i am not playing as much as i would be. for 1, i dont let my friend play anymore. and 2. i have homework that is needed to be done for my college classes...

P.S. first i created a fighter, he got to about lvl 18-20. but when i found out that someone translated the classes wrong. i remade another character and change to an acolyte.

[Dreconus]

sry for this double post. Personally i think this game should be Wiped... I don't care how far i've gotten i could be max by now. but nothing beats starting off with many other's and enjoying the game together, from the beggining.
i just created a poll to actually show, and see how many player's do or dont want it wiped. and gave reliable information of why it shouldnt be. and what i wanted from this thread was explanations of why it should or should not be wiped. not to harrass other's.

[myjher]

Im a CB player using a fighter an dim currently at lvl 22, I believe there should be a wipe because it will balance things out specially to those who did not have invites for CB. Anyway CB players will still have an advantage because before OB comes out they will have a firm grasp on how the game works.

[Dreconus]

Im a CB player using a fighter an dim currently at lvl 22, I believe there should be a wipe because it will balance things out specially to those who did not have invites for CB. Anyway CB players will still have an advantage because before OB comes out they will have a firm grasp on how the game works.

AMAZING!!! this is the type of answer i'm looking for. not biased, and he seems to have a firm grasp about what cb's need to be wiped. if anyone can't give a clear post on what this thread is about. you could atleast congradulate this guy on a well stated post!

[netsphere]

Surely there should be a wipe and always has been for most parts. The reasons are quite obvious.

[Dreconus]

Surely there should be a wipe and always has been for most parts. The reasons are quite obvious.

yes, they are. i think that the Dev's of SoS should have announced if there is going to be a wipe or not. most games do, and keeping that information from your player's is wrong imo.

[hickwarrior]

Maybe not.

Seeing as you need to test stuff. Maybe that's why they kept the wipe information confidential... Causing more players to lvl up ALOT MORE.

[Dreconus]

Maybe not.

Seeing as you need to test stuff. Maybe that's why they kept the wipe information confidential... Causing more players to lvl up ALOT MORE.

but, isnt that decieving everyone? wouldn't that just cause more to leave when obt opens?

[FirestormReborn]

In reality they dont need to test anything. They were givin code base that was used for many years. The only thing's that "should" go wrong, are small coding translation errors.

But a quest or 2 not working is far from a reason to have a long beta.

But if there smart, they will wipe CB, and start OB with no wipes ( pending EXP and Dupe bugs ).

[Dreconus]

In reality they dont need to test anything. They were givin code base that was used for many years. The only thing's that "should" go wrong, are small coding translation errors.

But a quest or 2 not working is far from a reason to have a long beta.

But if there smart, they will wipe CB, and start OB with no wipes ( pending EXP and Dupe bugs ).

this is also a very good response. they do not need to test any of the base code as it has been used for years. of course there maybe translation error's, but i think their main focus is just a server stress test.

[zakari]

I'm pretty surprised that the server didn't explode when the closed beta started. The real test will be at OB when more people will log. I'm still amazed the server is doing fine so far.

[Dreconus]

I'm pretty surprised that the server didn't explode when the closed beta started. The real test will be at OB when more people will log. I'm still amazed the server is doing fine so far.

only a minimum amount of people got invited to CBT. plus, lol, you shoulda been there. the dev's or GM's forgot to unlock the main town. so when you were to teleport in from character creation area. you were greeted by a black screen of DEATH!

[zakari]

only a minimum amount of people got invited to CBT. plus, lol, you shoulda been there. the dev's or GM's forgot to unlock the main town. so when you were to teleport in from character creation area. you were greeted by a black screen of DEATH!

lol!

The server is stable though. I've seen worse which is why I'm quite surprised.

[angelblades]

Here are my thoughts.

1. I am actually in the CBT, and I see that most of the people voting for the wipe aren't in it. Not to be a jerk, but shouldn't that be an indication that we shouldn't do the wipe? People who aren't playing the game will still play when it opens to them, but people who are ALREADY playing the game will get frustrated if their characters are all reset and may leave.

2. I don't see why it's unfair to let the CBT players keep their levels, we worked hard for them and people who join later will work for their levels as well...if anything it's unfair to eliminate all that hard work based on other player's jealousy.

3.There isn't pvp combat in this game or I haven't seen it so far but even if/when there is, like in any other game, if you're a low level you'll either avoid it or only pvp with other low-lvl characters.

4. I for one know I will leave if there is a wipe, which isn't a threat, it's just that I know myself. I download games and if I don't like them I get bored and delete them the same day, I don't get super-attached, and although I really like this game, I don't want to start over, and I'm sure lots of people feel the same way. I can't think of any reason why anyone who's actually playing right now would vote for a wipe.

[angelblades]

Oh and also,
isn't all your character information saved on the server you choose?

Why not just keep the closed beta server, and start a new server for when the game opens?

Then all of us high levels can just hang out in closed beta server and all the new jealous people can level in a server free and clear of high levels to make them cry?

Haha.

[Alezio]

Oh and also,
isn't all your character information saved on the server you choose?

Why not just keep the closed beta server, and start a new server for when the game opens?

Then all of us high levels can just hang out in closed beta server and all the new jealous people can level in a server free and clear of high levels to make them cry?

Haha.

hope that when a " jealous " as you say reachs a high level
kicks your butt :D

[AaronGA]

Yes there should be a wipe, why should the public start weeks or even months behind you guys? Just be happy you have the inside information on what you need to do to get your lvl and gear at the fastest pace nessary.

[angelblades]

hope that when a " jealous " as you say reachs a high level
kicks your butt :D


Why? I shouldn't have to lose all my work to please someone who's a low lvl :D

[Alezio]

Why? I shouldn't have to lose all my work to please someone who's a low lvl :D

your work wasn't to get high level
was to find bugs
when the OB beggins , then you can look forward to be a high level player
thats why :)

[Dreconus]

Testing the server is the main focus on a CBT. a CBT is meant to be wiped 100% of the time. An OBT's focus it to do a Stress Test. and are ussually never wiped when going F2P, but ussually wiped during a P2P but not always. there are a few rare occurences. but, i doubt there will be a case like that here.

[hickwarrior]

Here are my thoughts.

1. I am actually in the CBT, and I see that most of the people voting for the wipe aren't in it. Not to be a jerk, but shouldn't that be an indication that we shouldn't do the wipe? People who aren't playing the game will still play when it opens to them, but people who are ALREADY playing the game will get frustrated if their characters are all reset and may leave.

2. I don't see why it's unfair to let the CBT players keep their levels, we worked hard for them and people who join later will work for their levels as well...if anything it's unfair to eliminate all that hard work based on other player's jealousy.

3.There isn't pvp combat in this game or I haven't seen it so far but even if/when there is, like in any other game, if you're a low level you'll either avoid it or only pvp with other low-lvl characters.

4. I for one know I will leave if there is a wipe, which isn't a threat, it's just that I know myself. I download games and if I don't like them I get bored and delete them the same day, I don't get super-attached, and although I really like this game, I don't want to start over, and I'm sure lots of people feel the same way. I can't think of any reason why anyone who's actually playing right now would vote for a wipe.

1. Actually, the CBT is for TESTING, as stated in the whole thread, i guess. So it's not to be the best, just test. Maybe you can make a competition out of it?

2. Well, some players are competitive in levels. This means they will grind ALOT, just to reach a high level. So players that will only go in the OB will be ver ydissappointed by the headstart CBTers got.

3. PvP is just a minor game element. If it would be for ALL the servers, then it could become a problem not to wipe.

4. Beause people WANT a fair new start. Like i said in 2, competitive players. This also would give you the chance to meet up with other whom you can enjoy the game together.

Also, my thoughts over the not known CBT wipe, is that the evs wanted to know if there are bugs i nthe higher levels. Not that it matters much, but i do think it's a good probability.

[Dreconus]

also another wonderful response. This would not really make me quit but it bother's me that the Dev's didn't announce if there is going to be a wipe or not. they also added some events for "Premium Items" to get people in a competition that they know is highly likely to be wiped.

[thesjaakie]

Of course, a new CBT a new "no wipe" thread.

Same old, same old.

Conclusion: Doh! I have been in several CBTs and a wipe is simply a must. Thought the same back then. Sure, it's fun to keep your char. But freakin' TRY to remember that a CBT is there to test the game. Playing is but simply and extra.

Well ok, I know that more than 50% that got invited has no clue on what a CBT is and I know that 90% that had an invite won't even bother to report any bugs they find. You can even forget about them trying to find bugs and paying close attention to 'em. If you look at people that actually do that you may end up with only 0.5%. How did I know these things? It's a repetitive phenomenon that occurs with random invites.
So yeah, let's say that everyone actually did test and report then I'd say. Sure, why not. They deserved it. But most of the whiny little players, begging for no wipe, do not. But on the other hand, most of those testers are wise enough to know that a wipe should come. Since those players know that sometimes a fix will come for characters, but they would not be activated till you start a new character. So in order to get a good working character you often have to restart.

But yeah, CB testers do have to be rewarded in some way. Just as a token of appreciation, so it doesn't have to be as much as keeping their characters. But just like I said before, why would most have to be thanked?

I'm done~

[Lorgos]

lets analyze this shall we

Pro-Everyone is equil level and item wise for a time
Pro-the "your a noob!" treatment will be somewhat reduced for a time
Pro -the reset will make Noob PKing that much harder

Con-You loose your hard earned items,skills etc
Con-you have to do the tutorial over again
Con-those who actually have a life could get rather upset about it and retaliate in some way shape or form
Con- those who actually have a life who stay will have a much harder time re-leveling

so in the end i say a reset is a bd thing but we dont have too much of a say in the end do we?

[ArkardVampire]

Of course there should be a WIPE, will be unfair to all the new people be under the "Beta Testers"

[KylieHeavenly]

I read in another thread that it was unlikely for CB to be wiped. Forgot which thread it was, Ill go look. And PS I voted NO. I don't want my lvl 27 Aco to be deleted you know how hard it is to level them?! Most people that vote yes just dont understand because they aren't in CB.

[YukiLovesOmmie]

I don't want a wipe, but at the same time I really don't mind. Having a fresh start for everyone would be nice... whether or not everyone plays 8+ hours a day training until their eyes bleed is only a factor of the gamer. Also, saying that it's not fair for new players is just plain rediculous. If you wanted it to be fair, there would have to be a wipe for every new person that comes to the game. xD ( I only read like the first 3 pages. :x )

[HueHefner]

Well there will be a wipe no matter what so just deal with it. This almost always happens when a game goes into OB and will with this one.

[Alezio]

im in CB , and have a magician lvl 35 , also really don't mind
if a wipe is done , im gonna acept it and im gonna start again playing from 0 in the OB , and if the wipe is not done , well im gonna keep playing with my mage . there isn't really a diference
maybe is more fair a wipe for all the players that are not in CB
so
whatever the decision is , i will take it good

[Dreconus]

Hmm, even though there has been more people invited into beta thus more people who don't want a wipe. i Personally think They Need to Still Wipe! It is only fair. i know for a fact there are more thing's to do and places to go that people have yt to do and are fun around lvl's 20-40 and some of us have passed those lvl's i also think it will be quite fun to start over.



Fun: is it an emotion? an illness? a sickness? It Infects us in every way, and pulls us away from what is important.

[hickwarrior]

Fun is what we would call enjoying something. Maybe that answers it?

[Asimov]

Wipes are for the MOST part a good idea in MMO's going through CB. But that is merely because that usually there is a huge bug of some sort that was exploited by evil people, or a glitch that screwed up the characters. This game has not had a big bug as of yet, so I dont see a point in wiping.

And, on the topic of the complaining people who haven't gotten into CB and dont wanna start out as level 1 with a couple high leveled players already out there, deal with it. Thats not the reason why wipes are implemented, you can work up to the high levels too. I know there are plenty of CBer's who plan to quit when the wipe comes, because there are loads of free Korean grinders out there ( this one is great though), and once you get to level 45 or so, and have to start over, its really annoying. Thats a LOT of time spent that just goes poof (or poof except for a tiny useless item that says "beta tester" on it).

IMO, as it stands, a wipe is not neccesary. If the character builds change, just refund the stat/skill points, and reallocate them, and those who WANT to start new characters (for that guy complaining that he cant do the new level 20 quests and such if hes already level 40)... well you have 5 character slots dont you? use em.

[Greengiant302]

I'm undecided to wether i think there should be a wipe or not. It all depends on wether there are many bugs in the game which could give the testers an unfair advantage.

Every game which i have tested in the past (which is about 3) all did a wipe when it came out of closed beta so i think there is a pretty high chance there will be a wipe on this game too.

I think it would be a nice reward to let the people who have had the chance to test the game keep their levels, it also shows new people the experienced players which could be used as mentors ^^

[BunnyHanyou]

Wipes are for the MOST part a good idea in MMO's going through CB. But that is merely because that usually there is a huge bug of some sort that was exploited by evil people, or a glitch that screwed up the characters. This game has not had a big bug as of yet, so I dont see a point in wiping.

And, on the topic of the complaining people who haven't gotten into CB and dont wanna start out as level 1 with a couple high leveled players already out there, deal with it. Thats not the reason why wipes are implemented, you can work up to the high levels too. I know there are plenty of CBer's who plan to quit when the wipe comes, because there are loads of free Korean grinders out there ( this one is great though), and once you get to level 45 or so, and have to start over, its really annoying. Thats a LOT of time spent that just goes poof (or poof except for a tiny useless item that says "beta tester" on it).

IMO, as it stands, a wipe is not necessary. If the character builds change, just refund the stat/skill points, and reallocate them, and those who WANT to start new characters (for that guy complaining that he cant do the new level 20 quests and such if hes already level 40)... well you have 5 character slots dont you? use em.

He said all I was gonna say, and I've quoted it just to place emphasis in that this guy speaks the ultimate truth.

1.) Theres no reason for a wipe since this game has little to no bugs.
2.) All the people on here speak of an "unfair" advantage concerning CB testers when 80% of the people who do say that, are the same people that trash on noobs for being low leveled.
3.) Deal with it, so what there are people who are higher leveled than you. Can't get your way all the time.

P.S: Theres a fine line between an "unfair advantage" and jealousy. Unfortunately its obvious most people are taking the envious route.

[Greengiant302]

Wow, people have been complaining about the high level players? I think this is an advantage. See my post about how the high levels would be seen as mentors ^^

[Trashknight]

Why complain so much about hi-players? We can't pvp everywhere, so what's the fuzz? They have worked hard for their exp, pets and possible class changes.

Starting earlier isn't an advantage, only how you spend your time getting up those procents. I started pretty much at the same time as a friend and is a couple of levels over her for now.

Oh and a wipe doesn't bother me too much more then losing the bud-list. I'll get back to my level eventually.
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Monda- Acolyte lv 31
Tosda- Magician lv 21
Leuda- In training...

[SirYoko]

I spoke my word about this but i'll say it again. Yes i can understand what a wipe would be for and it might be fair but so what!! I hope you gms, creaters, and who ever controls the deiceding vote remember us the beta testers who have worked are asses off leveling up, testing, and been here. You can put across ya its easy to get back but your kind of kidding your self. It takes time and hard work geting up in levels and all the stuff we got.

Its fair for the new people ya but so what there is new people all the time. You don't see those new people asking for every one to start over so it can be fair >.> I also think the gms wont give up there character and levels. If you want to be fair then don't let the new people be lazy make them work to get their level like we all did!! All you well do is baby those who are new. Having a number of people who are high level and already part of the Sos should be good don't you think. Having some one higher then you is a goal to have and to look ahead and say "**** can't wait to get there" So i say again

'DON"T FORGET ABOUT US THE CLOSED BETA PLAYERS!'

[darren62]

Wipes are for the MOST part a good idea in MMO's going through CB. But that is merely because that usually there is a huge bug of some sort that was exploited by evil people, or a glitch that screwed up the characters. This game has not had a big bug as of yet, so I dont see a point in wiping.

And, on the topic of the complaining people who haven't gotten into CB and dont wanna start out as level 1 with a couple high leveled players already out there, deal with it. Thats not the reason why wipes are implemented, you can work up to the high levels too. I know there are plenty of CBer's who plan to quit when the wipe comes, because there are loads of free Korean grinders out there ( this one is great though), and once you get to level 45 or so, and have to start over, its really annoying. Thats a LOT of time spent that just goes poof (or poof except for a tiny useless item that says "beta tester" on it).

IMO, as it stands, a wipe is not neccesary. If the character builds change, just refund the stat/skill points, and reallocate them, and those who WANT to start new characters (for that guy complaining that he cant do the new level 20 quests and such if hes already level 40)... well you have 5 character slots dont you? use em.


He said all I was gonna say, and I've quoted it just to place emphasis in that this guy speaks the ultimate truth.

1.) Theres no reason for a wipe since this game has little to no bugs.
2.) All the people on here speak of an "unfair" advantage concerning CB testers when 80% of the people who do say that, are the same people that trash on noobs for being low leveled.
3.) Deal with it, so what there are people who are higher leveled than you. Can't get your way all the time.

P.S: Theres a fine line between an "unfair advantage" and jealousy. Unfortunately its obvious most people are taking the envious route.


Close beta testers should always have the mentality prepared for a wipe. If not, don't bother applying for close beta. If you find that it's a waste of time playing during CB due to wipes, then don't bother playing as well.

People seem to forget that close beta is a privilege not a right. I'll throw your words back at you 2 anyway - Deal with the wipe. If it does happen. Can't stand starting again? Quit the game then, don't play during OB.

Oh, you would be jealous too Bunny if you wasn't in CB. Don't kid yourself by saying you won't be. It's human nature to be competitive. We all want to be the BEST that WE CAN BE. >.>

[Varlin]

Yes I do agree with the post that I read about the not wiping us, i woked to hard to getmy character to 30 in 2 1/2 days it would not be fair. People pour their time and effort into making a character their own and getting higher so they can help others. When I joined all the senior characters were nice and taught me alot, but if u wipe u run the risk of wiping them away from ur game aswell. After you work so hard to accomplish a goal, then you up and loose it after the extended hours of grinding, you can loose your drive for the whole thing period.

[Kaleidoscope]

Oh, you would be jealous too Bunny if you wasn't in CB. Don't kid yourself by saying you won't be. It's human nature to be competitive. We all want to be the BEST that WE CAN BE. >.>

Then if we are already the best because of CBT, we have every right to want to stay that way. <_<; If everyone else is gonna get jealous and silly, then so can we. x3

Anyways I've gotten into the mentality that there is going to be a wipe. As in I'm not leveling anymore. And because I'm not leveling anymore there is really nothing for me to do in the game so I don't even really log in. .. >_>; If there is no wipe I'll be pleasantly surprised and then continue playing. If there is..I'll consider it. xD; Grinding is NOT fun. I do not want to repeat it to get back up to a level I already had. x_o

[BunnyHanyou]

Close beta testers should always have the mentality prepared for a wipe. If not, don't bother applying for close beta. If you find that it's a waste of time playing during CB due to wipes, then don't bother playing as well.

People seem to forget that close beta is a privilege not a right. I'll throw your words back at you 2 anyway - Deal with the wipe. If it does happen. Can't stand starting again? Quit the game then, don't play during OB.

Oh, you would be jealous too Bunny if you wasn't in CB. Don't kid yourself by saying you won't be. It's human nature to be competitive. We all want to be the BEST that WE CAN BE. >.>

"Oh, you would be jealous too Bunny if you wasn't in CB. Don't kid yourself by saying you won't be."

Lmao, nice attempt. So basically your stating that since you didnt get into CB your jealous? Thanks for re-emphasizing my point, hun.

I know very well that closed beta is a privilege and not a right, hence why people get invitations. The main point I am trying to make is that a wipe is only necessary and conducted when a bug is found that can greatly alter the state of the game (such as duplicating items, etc). It is NOT conducted so that new and old players can start from the same level. Quite frankly Outspark doesn't care whether or not its fair or unfair, they just want to see their game running smoothly.

Lastly if there is a wipe I would most definitely deal with it and just start anew like I did on Fiesta. Most people (you included) just cannot get over the fact that since a select few received invitations that means that its automatically unfair to everyone else and thus want to completely demolish all of what they've worked for.

[Cryptarius]

I'm glad I don't have to make the decision to wipe or not, even though.. i've never seen a beta game that hasn't been wiped after testing.

I think if alot of major changes to quests and mechanics are made - I will definitely want a wipe.. if not~ I don't feel like re-leveling doing the same-old. :rolleyes:

[-Shade-]

I've thought about this for a while, and the bottom line is I don't care if they wipe or not...so I guess I abstain?

If they don't wipe, great! I have a nifty character or three with 20-40 levels worth of a head start - what better to help build a strong community with and welcome newer players with?

If they do wipe, great! I (in theory) already know what I need to do do level more efficiently, can tell newer folk how to level efficiently as well, and have a fresh account to help avoid any potential leftover Beta errors.

Either way the community can benefit.

Many of the comments and concerns expressed within the thread indicate players would be frustrated at having to re-level, re-equip, etc. I most certainly understand where these concerns come from, but the rubber-meets-the-road truth of it all is that CBT's...and even OBT's to a lesser extent...are agreeing to test the game with no promise nor implication of compensation. Not only that, but the account and game are free - we pay nothing, so we are owed nothing other than what's discussed in the Terms and Conditions of the account.

So what do I think they should do? Whatever is best for the overall health of the game - either way suits me fine. If I had my 'druthers I think some little token of appreciation would be cool...some kind of unique, strictly-for-fashion equipment or something...but in the end it just doesn't bother me personally. I've been involved with the industry far too long to get that attached to any kind of Beta character.

The beta promises you nothing, folks, other than the hope of some enjoyment and community-building along the way. Test and invest your time at your own risk until the game goes live.

[Noxium]

Outspark didn't force anyone into beta testing, it was a personal choice. Just like it was a personal choice on how testers chose to test the game, whether they just tested casually or hardcore. If some managed to get to a really high level and collect tons of lucky balls and whatnot, congrats, really. However, that reason alone shouldn't effect a company's choice in making a business decision. Bottom line, Outspark is putting this game out to make money. They are going to go with the best option to make the most people happy with their service, even if that includes upsetting a few testers with a wipe.

However, if there isn't any reason for a wipe, than that's perfectly fine too. I would just rather have a wipe if it will mean having an enjoyable and bug free game that can go live soon. If Outspark can keep tuning and updating an enjoyable game and make a few bucks by drawing in new players; everybody wins as far as I'm concerned.

[darren62]

"Oh, you would be jealous too Bunny if you wasn't in CB. Don't kid yourself by saying you won't be."

Lmao, nice attempt. So basically your stating that since you didnt get into CB your jealous? Thanks for re-emphasizing my point, hun.

I know very well that closed beta is a privilege and not a right, hence why people get invitations. The main point I am trying to make is that a wipe is only necessary and conducted when a bug is found that can greatly alter the state of the game (such as duplicating items, etc). It is NOT conducted so that new and old players can start from the same level. Quite frankly Outspark doesn't care whether or not its fair or unfair, they just want to see their game running smoothly.

Lastly if there is a wipe I would most definitely deal with it and just start anew like I did on Fiesta. Most people (you included) just cannot get over the fact that since a select few received invitations that means that its automatically unfair to everyone else and thus want to completely demolish all of what they've worked for.

Ah, but I've gotten over it a week ago already.

Bottomline - No matter the amount of votes there would be a wipe unless stated otherwise.

Only game I know of not wiping chars is Global 12sky. Then again it was stated as Pre-OB which lasted a day. No major bugs, just mistranslations.

[dylanangel]

I would hope there is no wipe considering I just freakin started and do NOT CARE to start over. Work for the higher lvls instead of crying because you are not there yet. No I dont think people need a fresh start. Leave it as it is.

[SaberJx]

I would hope there is no wipe considering I just freakin started and do NOT CARE to start over. Work for the higher lvls instead of crying because you are not there yet. No I dont think people need a fresh start. Leave it as it is.

Ok, you don't want a wipe, but you just started so it wouldn't really affect you anyway.
What I can't understand is why you're telling everyone to level up to the higher levels, they're crying because it doesn't make sense currently.

The probability that they have to do everything again is quite high after all.

Reminds me of these "I saw an ad, I wanna play now"-guys that appear quit often.
Oh, the ad didn't mention that your characters are probably deleted?
Don't even know what a closed beta test is? Too bad.

[dylanangel]

Ok, you don't want a wipe, but you just started so it wouldn't really affect you anyway.
What I can't understand is why you're telling everyone to level up to the higher levels, they're crying because it doesn't make sense currently.

The probability that they have to do everything again is quite high after all.

Reminds me of these "I saw an ad, I wanna play now"-guys that appear quit often.
Oh, the ad didn't mention that your characters are probably deleted?
Don't even know what a closed beta test is? Too bad.

I am so amazed at how rude people are on threads. First off it would affect me considering I started playing yesterday and I am at level 16 now with hard work. (to me it was fun and hard but anyway).
Second what is beta test and if its just a test of the game to see if people would like the game they should not have released it to random people to start playing until they figured out it would be a hit.
I am not a computer nerd so please don't make me feel stupid if I have said something that is incorrect.

[Trashknight]

I am so amazed at how rude people are on threads. First off it would affect me considering I started playing yesterday and I am at level 16 now with hard work. (to me it was fun and hard but anyway).
Second what is beta test and if its just a test of the game to see if people would like the game they should not have released it to random people to start playing until they figured out it would be a hit.
I am not a computer nerd so please don't make me feel stupid if I have said something that is incorrect.

Getting to level 16 is easy; just kill the blue furballs next to Death Valley.
It should take less then 2 hours getting the whole shebang if you are a casual player.

Next, this is an "Closed Beta" which means selected people will test the unfinished game for bugs, glitches and so on... The big folks can then patch up mistakes and faults discovered by the players to maintain balance in the game.

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Monda- Acolyte lv 36
Tosda- Magician lv 21
Leuda- Fighter lv 20

[Deviling]

if the game goes fine. its not necessary for a wipe.

[Hiraku]

Yeah, I hope they give an option to the higher ranking CB players (lvl. 36 +??) that they can either choose to start over or continue. That way, we higher-lvl players who worked harder may choose to start over or continue. For the new items, they should just release them in small updates at a time, or one big update. I really hope they don't wipe. I'm the sort of person that can't stand doing anything twice <3.

[dylanangel]

Getting to level 16 is easy; just kill the blue furballs next to Death Valley.
It should take less then 2 hours getting the whole shebang if you are a casual player.

Next, this is an "Closed Beta" which means selected people will test the unfinished game for bugs, glitches and so on... The big folks can then patch up mistakes and faults discovered by the players to maintain balance in the game.

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Monda- Acolyte lv 36
Tosda- Magician lv 21
Leuda- Fighter lv 20
Thank you for explaining what a closed beta is. As far as the lvl 16 being easy yeah it may have been but PLEASE don't make me carry those heavy letters over again LOL ;)

[capriciousasian]

i personally don't want a wipe. i'm sorta working my butt off so i can see what all the skills are like, what build is best, and the buildup of a network of friends that i can trust.

so if there is a wipe, they should give a special treat for the CBTs. like, something really good..

[Wacko]

i wonder how the eq will be. (TOTALLY DIFFRENT SUBJECT LOLOLOL)

[Corythebory]

cbt?????????? what cbt

[OvNeptune]

^ Closed Beta Testing

[SaberJx]

i personally don't want a wipe. i'm sorta working my butt off so i can see what all the skills are like, what build is best, and the buildup of a network of friends that i can trust.

so if there is a wipe, they should give a special treat for the CBTs. like, something really good..
You can play the game now, while everyone else has to wait for the open beta.
And when the open beta starts you already know all the skills, what build is the best and your friends will probably have the same names again.

That's your special treat.

[Rubik]

There will always be new people that will feel like they are behind, that is inevitable, so don't complain about how everyone did not start at the same time. Let's say they do make a wipe, and it starts over again; there will still be new players to the game that will still be behind because you started earlier, is that fair for them? The point is, having a wipe is useless, most of the maps are not available during CBT so dont worry about certain people who are ahead of the game, they are not THAT ahead.

Many items currently have an expiration date, meaning they will disappear in exactly a week, so dont worry about people getting ahead of item hunting as well.

In conclusion, there should not be a wipe because the game already has started a good clean beginning with a good economy, good events with fair prizes, and a good community. And not 99% of CBT gets a wipe, most of them actually turn into a sub server, meaning lets say "server A" was the server that had CBT and "server B" is a fresh new one.

NO WIPE!... please ^^

[Alezio]

this thread should be allready closed , the existence of a wipe is inevitable because THIS IS A CLOSED BETA . so people like or not ...

[buyel]

There shouldn't be a wipe, if there is, then I would quit and go back to a certain game much similar to SOS but older. it rhymes with "magnabok onbine"

[hippychibi]

I agree with Alezio, and there are many threads about this same thought. I understand many people don't want a wipe but it's not the player's choice.

[Jack55]

Aight, so I'm new to this game and forums all together, so I hope I'm not breaking any forum etiquette with this post.And here goes...

Best as I can tell everybody is arguing over a wipe. I understand that GM's are busy, but can't they just go ahead and post that it is or ain't gonna happen? or are they still in the decision making process?

Is this game in closed or open beta? I mean the server says closed beta, but I wasn't invited or whatever and I joined on the 20th. Best as I can tell its an open beta, so is the debate still relevant for a post open beta wipe?

How are some people already becoming inactive? Not to complain, but out of curiosity I saw a guy in the Sink or Swim topic saying he was a 47 acolyte and inactive...

Anyways I started playing and as I read more of this I wonder how long this will hold. I mean I haven't seen too many games start up so this could be perfectly normal. I'd also like to know if you can make guilds yet and if not when we can. If they are gonna wipe the stuff I figure I'll just go ahead and stop now and come back after the wipe with a group to make a guild and all that later.

If anybody can answer some or all of these questions it would be great. If some of these answers can't be answered that is Ok also, I'd just like to see some straight forward answers instead of peoples opinions. Sorry if I asked questions that have been answered, but I searched and failed to find these. Thanks for the time.

[Monday]

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but it should be wiped.

[DragonMan949]

I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but it should be wiped.

Why exactly should there be a wipe monday?

[jeremiade]

i think it would be fine if it wasnt wiped but if they make alot of changes to the game its almost manditory considering all of the alterations they would have to make to characters so yah but im fine eiother way i dont have a char XD

[DarkOmen]

It was posted before but i think that they should keep one server for CBT to keep there chr and just open i new server for OB but if they dont what does it matter if its a wipe its still CB and in most games i played In CB was a wipe at the end but CBT also got special Things for beging a CBT i think that what they should do.

[Xiphion]

there may be bugs or glitches that people in CB are abusing. CB should be pointing out bugs, problems, typos, etc., not for actual gameplay. thats why its TESTING.

[SaberJx]

Since nobody wants to answer your questions, I'll try it.

Aight, so I'm new to this game and forums all together, so I hope I'm not breaking any forum etiquette with this post.And here goes...

Best as I can tell everybody is arguing over a wipe. I understand that GM's are busy, but can't they just go ahead and post that it is or ain't gonna happen? or are they still in the decision making process?
The GMs didn't decide yet if they're going to wipe or not.


Is this game in closed or open beta? I mean the server says closed beta, but I wasn't invited or whatever and I joined on the 20th. Best as I can tell its an open beta, so is the debate still relevant for a post open beta wipe?
It's still closed beta and the debate is about a wipe after closed beta.
And some people that register here are instantly invited, but it looks like it's random.


How are some people already becoming inactive? Not to complain, but out of curiosity I saw a guy in the Sink or Swim topic saying he was a 47 acolyte and inactive...
Some people are inactive already because they don't know if we get a wipe or not.
Leveling is no fun if you don't know that you can keep your level and stuff.


Anyways I started playing and as I read more of this I wonder how long this will hold. I mean I haven't seen too many games start up so this could be perfectly normal. I'd also like to know if you can make guilds yet and if not when we can. If they are gonna wipe the stuff I figure I'll just go ahead and stop now and come back after the wipe with a group to make a guild and all that later.
You can't make guilds yet, I guess you can make them in open beta.


If anybody can answer some or all of these questions it would be great. If some of these answers can't be answered that is Ok also, I'd just like to see some straight forward answers instead of peoples opinions. Sorry if I asked questions that have been answered, but I searched and failed to find these. Thanks for the time.
The questions we get these days are always the same, but I don't care and just answer them.

I hope I could help.
And if I forgot to answer a question, I probably don't know the answer myself. :D

[Jack55]

Thanks for the help man. I appreciate it.

[Soul.of.Trance]

Send me an Invite!

[brdza84]

Ofcourse there shoud be a wipe Django and others cant play!

[rejay]

I fully disagree with there being a wipe. Why? Because for one only reason.

THIS GAME IS ALREADY FINISHED

It was released in japan for awhile now and since its already finished, the only bugs that should be worried about is something serious. Not something that isnt a threat. So far in this game, only problem I've heard and seen is really small stuff such as spell books not working or NPC glitches, THAT isn't something that should lead to a wipe.
The ONLY bug that should be around is a mis-use of translation (obviousely there are quests that refer to the wrong monster name, I'm sure you have noticed. [I.E. Hatcher pigs drop yellow watermelons]). That is the only actuall bug that should make a appearance, the others shouldn't be such a threat.
The game in jp is called Xenepic Online, I'm not sure if that one is finished but I'm positive its the real deal. The only people that actually agree with the wipe is the ones that who would enjoy seeing a (or other peoples) character that was worked really hard on to disappear.

I know, I know, even though wipe's are most likely inevitable in CBT's, it wouldn't hurt to state a opinion. The higher ups probably dont even really care what the community has to say about this.

[darren62]

-_- Should just lock the thread and be done with. This is getting nowhere.

Can't the GMs or Admins police their own threads properly? People want info. An update like - "We are still currently discussing on whether there would be a wipe or not for CBT" would help more than all this... debates over here.

[Deviling]

r u sure its over? =)

[TheEagle]

I vote against the wipe, lotsa hard work went in from the players and not much point in losin it :/

[DragonMan949]

-_- Should just lock the thread and be done with. This is getting nowhere.

Can't the GMs or Admins police their own threads properly? People want info. An update like - "We are still currently discussing on whether there would be a wipe or not for CBT" would help more than all this... debates over here.
Yeah, there should be NO GAME WIPES at all and this THREAD SHOULD BE LOCKED.


r u sure its over? =)
IT is over deviling, the topic should be locked right now. There shouldnt be any wipes, character, or otherwise.


I vote against the wipe, lotsa hard work went in from the players and not much point in losin it :/

Yeah, this shuoldnt happen, especially the people who got into the third class.

[yami_kiba]

*sigh* This gets discussed so much.... it is CBT people 99% chance there will be a wipe, if not cool, but I am counting on that there will be since almost every game I have heard of has done it. Only real plus I can see to no wipe is it will be OMG crazy when OB comes and everyone is doing the beginning quests....

yes...there is no question of whether ther should be a wipe. it's almost inevitable that there will be a wipe. if not then whatever. that's cool, though there may be tension among players b/c of this. i'm sure GMs will announce something when the time comes.