About Mage. - Eating my sp for her sp

[Limejuice]

:(

I party with fighter archer cleric mage.
The cleric doesnt heal much, because he join the dps.
And he being a backup healer too.
I mainly heal.

We gone for grind. I have to heal the tanker alot and other members, since is grind, all mobs together..

I am so poor that I have lots of skill havent buy. I am lvl 37, but I am using lvl 21 heal. ><

And the mage, keep using the skill which convert hp to sp, and I have to heal her. I have been using so so so much potion that you cant image though.

I think I use the most potions. I ask her to stop doing so, she said "dont heal me then" So rude! Why cant she be fair? I use too much potion already, 100 potions for grind just now. Of cos, I still heal her, because that is my job. ><

What do you think? Do you think I should be quiet? and heal the mage who dont consider about other people?

><"

*sorry edit: my bad, I heal 500 at that time. not lvl21 heal.. lol *

[SpiritS]

Just leave her,dont heal her anymore.BAD idea:No even think revive her let her sleep at there.
There are 2 cleric there in your team(is it?) so dont take all responsibilty on yourself,if the mage want to die just let her die.

[atese]

If it's a group you just randomly assembled, there isn't really much you can do. If the pot cost is bankrupting you, just leave.

If it's a group you regularly grind with, get the mage to give you some sp pots to cover the tap heals. If the mage refuses, stop grinding with her.

You do have the most efficient method of restoring HP; that doesn't mean you should bear the entire cost of the grind.

[cryragon]

You don't have to help inconsiderate people; you're a cleric, not her personal healing slave.

If you still insist on helping her, she will think it's fine to do it again later. Those people usually are greedy pigs who don't want to use any recovery items to help their party in dire situations, yet ironically they're expecting others to support them.

[Sumolico]

the real point is that a team help each other, if you are in a team that dont agreed with you its a bad team..
some people forget what realy means 'team', we are clerics and some help people but you are not forced to help everbody..we are not slaves like cryragon says, and it's well say it..lol

[Diatomic]

you can just heal the tanker, in the party, let the mage sit and regen sp...^^;; That is what I would do...but I would not mind if the mage ask me if it is ok for her to use the life tap thing, then I will heal her...its all about consideration for others.

[Semaj]

it sounds like your getting the short end of the stick, make them go sequential drops, or stop healing the mage. also just rest when you need to, if they wont wait for you to regen your sp points and run off and die its their own problem for not acting as a team.

dont rez for stupidity.

[LordStone]

:(

And the mage, keep using the skill which convert hp to sp, and I have to heal her. I have been using so so so much potion that you cant image though.

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Red Mushroom house. All I can say. It'll save you the money you spend on it ten times over.

If you already have it, well, I have no sympathy.

Our role as a cleric is support, and that doesn't mean just healing the tank. When the mage has sp, he/she does more dps. Quicker kills, less damage done to the tank.

I'll assume you have the 5 points into decreased SP use on Heal, since all clerics have it. That means your level 21 heal costs 21 sp to cast, and heals 390 ( more if you have bonuses). The mage HP->SP spell takes half their hp and turns it into sp, obviously. At 37, a mage has maybe around 700-800 hp, which fits in with your level 21 heal perfectly if they use the lifetap.

Now, here's my problem, with the red mushroom house, you get around 60 sp every two seconds. That fact alone, you shouldn't be running out of sp, even when chainpulling. Need sp? If you are fighting one monster at a time, wait for the fighter(s) to stun, and then regen. Every fighter spams the stun ability every chance they get. You can safely regen 100+ sp every stun. Multiple monsters? At your level, invincible is still very powerful. Toss it out, go into your house. You can get 100-250 sp back depending on how long the shield holds.

But honestly, it's a matter of helping your group by feeding the mage. It's in your best interest to spend 21sp to give your group mage 400sp. It would take you two seconds of downtime to recoup that. The mage on the otherhand would be out for a longer period of time, not doing damage, and ultimately, causing you to have to heal the tank longer.

[aznhmg]

i wouldn't even care to heal that mage..
to selfish of herself tsk tsk tsk...
and if she dies..
Let her respawn in town...

[Nerria]

Snippity Snip

Amen to that. =)

As a cleric I feel keeping everyone in top condition is what is best. I don't heal the tank until he is at around 40% (Rejuvinate owns) and if I have a Mage I use my Heal Over Time on them, unless they get whacked of course. xD

You can, at your level, live with a 21 heal while keeping a tank full. If your tank is taking so much damage that he needs to be healed constantly, get a new group in my opinion.

It heals them full in roughly 7 seconds (54hp a sec) and only costs me like 40 SP. The rest of the time I am in my house - even chain pulling - watching youTube videos with the screen setup so I can watch Health bars.

If someone needs a heal, Alt+Tab, click their F#, and throw down a heal/rejuv.

Simple as that - and my SP rarely falls under 1000 unless we get an aggro.

Just my take on it.

>.<

[Limejuice]

Red Mushroom house. All I can say. It'll save you the money you spend on it ten times over.

If you already have it, well, I have no sympathy.

Our role as a cleric is support, and that doesn't mean just healing the tank. When the mage has sp, he/she does more dps. Quicker kills, less damage done to the tank.

I'll assume you have the 5 points into decreased SP use on Heal, since all clerics have it. That means your level 21 heal costs 21 sp to cast, and heals 390 ( more if you have bonuses). The mage HP->SP spell takes half their hp and turns it into sp, obviously. At 37, a mage has maybe around 700-800 hp, which fits in with your level 21 heal perfectly if they use the lifetap.

Now, here's my problem, with the red mushroom house, you get around 60 sp every two seconds. That fact alone, you shouldn't be running out of sp, even when chainpulling. Need sp? If you are fighting one monster at a time, wait for the fighter(s) to stun, and then regen. Every fighter spams the stun ability every chance they get. You can safely regen 100+ sp every stun. Multiple monsters? At your level, invincible is still very powerful. Toss it out, go into your house. You can get 100-250 sp back depending on how long the shield holds.

But honestly, it's a matter of helping your group by feeding the mage. It's in your best interest to spend 21sp to give your group mage 400sp. It would take you two seconds of downtime to recoup that. The mage on the otherhand would be out for a longer period of time, not doing damage, and ultimately, causing you to have to heal the tank longer.


sorry my mistake, i think higher than lvl 21 heal, i heal 500 hp.. dunno which lvl is that..
But, last night I bought the heal 610hp, cos I the level 52 tanker die in mobs, because I unable to heal so much in a very short time, and she got hit so so badly.. 2 sec of heal i dun think is enough ><

But, yeah. In that team, noone tap potion as much as i do.
besides that, I am using hp regeneration alot, to help tanker.

[Limejuice]

guys,

Do you think hp regeneration really help?
it cost too much sp!

how do u find the hp regeneration?

[Patchouli]

Restore is very useful, it gives more HP than heal does, for the same cost, just that it doesn't do it instantly.

As for the life tap, I believe that it's overall more beneficial for the group that the mage uses it, but that the mage should cover some of the cleric's stone cost or give them sp potions to cover it, and to be fair (overall, using life tap, the mage would get about 2,000+ SP from each tier 1 sp potion given to the cleric, rather than the 230 from drinking it themselves)

[Kholai]

First of all, if the mage is telling you not to heal them.... Don't. If you keep doing something that someone's told you not to, you're the one being rude, not them. Anyway, some tips that have stood well for me so far:

1: Narcolepsy. If you're performing as party healer, and need to keep topped up, remember the rest key. Five seconds rest restores enough SP to heal twice at your highest level. It takes almost that long just to pick a new target, and certainly by the time the fighter needs healz.

2: Mages are made of paper and plutonium: I spend 99% of my time with a mage, and usually I'm the one telling her to tap. It's better for both of us. What else would I use my SP for? Bash? One tap restores more damage dealing capacity than you could ever pray to see. But it's not like it's even expensive. Just hotkey your level 1 heal. It costs 4 SP (if it's not fully empowered, you should be ashamed of yourself), and a few uses of it should fix up the mage for a tenth the cost of your highest level heal.

3: Don'ts: Be smart. If you're going against enemies that can out-damage your heal, you shouldn't be facing them. If you're going against enemies that kill your tank in under ten seconds, either your fighter spazzed out and lured an army, or you shouldn't be facing them.


Remember, the mage is your gun, they're doing the damage that you aren't, and you're their ammo. It's a symbiotic relationship that works incredibly well. If you aren't appreciating lifetap, you're doing it wrong.

Oooo. And go Nerria! Long live Cleric Narcolepsy! :D

[aegrimonia]

i don't see too much problem with it.. we trade SP for HP, they trade HP for SP..

[Bmzei]

i say if your all getting exp then your all getting paid.
if you keep dieing then take a break.
as a lvl 20 mage i would follow the tanker's lead but when i have my own target or secondary aggro i'll pot myself cus i chose to take on the mob for an extra kill.

as a lvl 20 cleric i want my team to attack and keep attacking to give me exp so i do what i can.

i should mention that i do what i can and make my own stock of pots for all my toons.

good luck cleric and don't get upset the mages like to killas much as a fighter

[Padz009]

Tell her that you aren't happy. Personally, I'm sick of walking through the Forest of Mist and every single bloody (sorry) Mage running past me and demanding 'heal' and running off without a second thought.
Rebel.

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[Nerria]

Tell her that you aren't happy. Personally, I'm sick of walking through the Forest of Mist and every single bloody (sorry) Mage running past me and demanding 'heal' and running off without a second thought.
Rebel.



We are talking about a group situation though. If it is out of group then it is an entirely different story...

[soysauce2rice]

I don't really care if i heal them endless times. But if they treat me like a slave, I'll go somewhere else. It's that simple. Sometimes they follow me but I don't care :P .
Now i haven't had this problem occur with me and i hope not. The reason is like what Kholai said. They deal more damage in time then what i can and all i gotta do is use lvl1/2 heal spell. If they keep pulling monsters, I'll tell them to stop for a bit. If they don't listen, i won't heal because of no sp. I take every chance i get to rest. >:]

[Kholai]

If they keep pulling monsters, I'll tell them to stop for a bit. If they don't listen, i won't heal because of no sp. I take every chance i get to rest. >:]

Haha. When it's time for me to recover SP, I shout "Cleric Sleep Time!". Most of the people I party with know that if they aggro something in that time, they better be prepared to heal themselves. =P

[dracodits]

Start taking up all the tough meat and magic crystals that y'all get as drops and make SP pots. or find a friend who will make them for you if you don't have the skill.