Stop the begging please!

[stingstungme]

When i joined this game back in November, I have never heard of power leveling. Now all of a sudden, there is an influx of lower leveled players popping up in Lost Bryn, Chant, and the new maps begging to be power leveled. :confused:

I find it aggravating and annoying to be bombarded with requests constantly. It is one thing for a high level to invite you to aoe with him but don't sit there for 45 minutes begging. The higher levels are NOT obligated to do so.

I have gained a few levels from people that invited me while they aoe'd but I never asked them too or dropped hints that they should.
It was completely unexpected and random.

What we have now are groups of people that just sit and wait in higher level areas and just beg incessantly. They could and should form a party with each other and go to candyvault or Eir.

This is ruffling a bunch of feathers. I've seen higher levels refer to the lower levels and call them leechers and be rude to them. I don't like it when the higher levels are mean to them but I don't like them begging either.

If you're a lower level and someone let's you join the party, don't keep going afk. The least you could do is pay attention to what is going on your monitor. If you are holding the pots then you need to pay attention especially.

All that tension and aggravation makes me dread going to certain spots.
The lower levels need to realize that just because you get a quest such as the bone quest doesn't mean that you have to complete it the same level. Sometimes you have to wait until you are stronger. That lesson should have been learned from finding Judy in the sewers and the mine quest series.

All I want to say is just stop the begging. Your levels will mean more if you worked for some of them. >.<

[ChristinaM]

I completely agree with you... good wording! I don't mind helping out lower lvls at all, especially helping my guildmates. The annoying thing is when they sit there forever just saying plvl me. Most do not even say please. I usually let them join the party if I am the leader - just so they stop staying it.. But for the most part, I'm sure you can just ignore them, but it does get quite annoying when they do it for a 1/2 hour. So anyway, good post. :)

[AnimePimp66]

aw i know what u mean.. its just the server gets filled more everyday and there is an insane amount of ppl lving so fast.ppl begging for plving is bad in most successful mmos at least we dont have goldbotters trying to charge ppl irl money for sc or plving yet.

[ChristinaM]

ppl begging for plving is bad in most successfull mmos at least we dont have goldbotters trying to charge ppl irl money for sc or plving yet.

That is so true. The last game I played had that happen ALOT. I hope that NEVER happens here. Which I'm sure it won't. Hopefully...

[ky0_drag0n]

lolz, I know how you feel
It's sad how people beg

[Merops3]

Personally ive been asked a million times to plvl someone and i just Hate it x.x! Its so super annoying and that i know i worked for what I am now without any plvl makes me angry x.x! And i dont understand why ppl ask for plvl if you are lvl 60- because the exp then is so easy and later you go to more difficult maps and exp will still be acctually good.

[quon_kisaragi]

hey, how can i add animation to my page just like that?

[ChristinaM]

One more thing to add, just thought of this:
The thing that gets me is when ppl say they will give you a xen to plvl them. Well most likely, they got the xen from "leeching" and it should be the higher lvl's xen anyway lol - I'm not greedy with xens when they drop at all, whoever they go to they go to, but it annoys me when the lower lvl sitting there doing nothing, and going afk with the pots, gets the xen. I remember getting to my lvl on my own and killing one by one with a big party, that was the fun times. These newer char's do not realize or even learn about the game just by sitting around "leeching". Sometimes a guildmate would let me come with them to aoe and if I dropped the xen, I would out of common curtosy give the aoer the xen or the aco.. It just makes sense. lol.. Now you got me started! :)

[darkjack08]

Plvl me plz......

[nilysa]

OMG anime POWERLEVEL ME PWEASE *begs* Weee~ hehe jokes
Anyhow just a lil stroll down memory lane here. I remember back in the day when i made my aco. I soloed her til like mm sheesh i think around level 40 and then started duoing with an old friend that dont play anymore til early level 50's. Then i ended up quitting and came back at around level 52 and DarkMiko intro me to some peeps and they started inviting me to aoe. I got to around level 70+ from aoe and then started duoing/partying with my friends from the guild we had made. Pepsicola duoed with me alot and i think i got to level 107 by time both him and i had quit. Once again i came back joined another guild and pretty much just partied with guild members and got a few levels in a month. Now im in another guild where we aoe pretty much everyday. Anyhow i think i kinda rambled on there but what im trying to say is alot of the low level beggars these days just dont understand. Us higher levels had to actually "work" for our level. We partied with people within our level range and leveled up together. We didnt suicide run to maps that have mobs that are 100 levels higher than our char level. We didnt sit outside the safe zone waiting and dodging agro mobs as exp dropped freely onto our exp bar. We worked for it. We earned it. We didnt beg to be power leveled. One other thing i like to say is u can have a character powerleveled BUT once its high level do u think u actually know how to play that char/class? I mean actually taking part in a party and doing ur part as a party member gives u practice on what ur char can handle and do. You actually learn how to play that class. You learn from mistakes and learn what strategies u can use and helps u to react faster. I Just feel sitting outside the safe zone gaining free exp gives u no practice at ur character and u just wont know how to play ur charcter at a high level until u can actually take part in parties and learn how to actually play it. Anyhow ya umm i dont care for leeching. I feel if ur going to play a character at least start from the bottom and work your way up like the rest of us have. *Miss the old days*

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Asking or begging for Powerleveling is really annoying(mainly for those that can aoe). Also leeching start to get seriously a problem as well in this game. Some people(i should say a lot of them) don't realize that this is made to grindfest and level-up and some people want to go immediatly on the last maps because exp is low to made. I see some in Essene or Brynhild begging for Plvl and some of them are trouble. Also they should put a level restriction for certain maps, because some maps are easy to access, expecially for Neos that have invisible already(they sholud put this skill learnble only at level 61, not 36). Also some maps are not made to plvl and need teamwork to manage to aoe(library, lost brynhild mainly). No seriously, this is annoying.

[syqueeness_]

rofl i agree with all

[AnimePimp66]

what i dont understand is how fun can it b to leech. i mean cmon it like logon and ....and.... get ready to harrass someone for lv yay. i just dont understand the logic in it how can that b fun at all,kinda defeats the purpose of the game lol.


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omg yaaa damn those neos ! gtfo Dx...*squishes* b4 get plved enough to use sc pots to kill me as sin*rofl

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let us oooooooooooooooooooooon long maint Dx 1.5% tnl dammit
plv anyone? xD

[tengokuken]

rofl i agree with post above ^
xD!

[killermandeath]

lol i'v only done that once to get scout cause i kept dieng and it was kinda fun to chat the whole time instead of running around killing but that was once other then that i train my self the people begging constintly even after haveing aoe is deffently lame death to the beggers :D

[gryneth]

what i dont understand is how fun can it b to leech. i mean cmon it like logon and ....and.... get ready to harrass someone for lv yay. i just dont understand the logic in it how can that b fun at all,kinda defeats the purpose of the game lol.

Its like in the real world....People want the level but are too lazy to fork over the time, effort, or money(In some cases) to earn it. I know someone who signs in, hits his friends up, joins a party, and afks for about an hour getting free stuff and exp. I plvl guildies ALTS and rangers/apps on occasion if I feel nice. But its not something I make a regular habit of.

[nilysa]

Also wanted to add if u make a new char and ur friends/guildies help u then that isnt a prob. The prob is when u actually beg people u dont really know to powerlevel you and u just keep spamming til u either give up or log or someone just gives in. Thats what is annoying. Oh another thing that is annoying is when ur in a party and someone wants to invite their noob char as its sitting outside the safe zone. They then will be getting twice the drops than the people that are actually doing the work. Not to mention lowering the exp intake a lil bit.


ANIME POWERLEVEL ME NAO NUB NUB!! ^_^

[syqueeness_]

agree again *cant help to continue agree*
sory if this is a spamming XD
but true if u just want to hang out n chat n not lvling and play,just go chat and dont leech
are u happy gain level by people hard work,i mean come on if they dont feel comfortable to let u leech

[xNinja503]

there's a few ppl up in the "high" lvl that didn't grind for their lvls.. eh it's like the ppl see that others can do it why can't they look wat bran bran started D:..monkey see monkey do :o

[darkjack08]

Any 1 here wanna xen stones? Plvl me >.<

[PayCarebear]

Yeah, it is annoying. But like someone mentioned, its like that in most mmos. xD

I've been getting requests for plvling since lvl 51 lmao xD
Which was kind of funny x_x

Anyways, its one thing to beg for plvling and another to be rude about it. :X Just recently I had a guy beg for plvling in whisper while I was aoeing. He offered a xen and I said no. Then he got mad while STILL begging for plvling and saying things that I can't mention on forums. Q.Q
So rude~

I don't know, but any form of lazy lvling is a slap in the face for people that worked hard to get where they are.

On another note...

*plvls anime for his 1.5% D< *!

[awesome_josh]

well, one thing is, i hate being plv'ed. i say to people to plv me sometimes but that is just for fun, not really wanting for someone to plv me. (plus, it wont help the people out, how will the people learn to fight if they are just being plv'ed?) anyways, this is the longest 2hrs maintainance i have ever seen o.o

[nilysa]

there's a few ppl up in the "high" lvl that didn't grind for their lvls.. eh it's like the ppl see that others can do it why can't they look wat bran bran started D:..monkey see monkey do :o

Ya i know there are some high levels that didnt work for their exp but also alot of us old timer high levels did. We started back in the day when game came out and we worked our way up. There wasnt a high level to power level us cuz we were all pretty much in the same level range. I first started playing a squire and made first female knight and switched to my aco 2 days later. My knight is still level 66 and always will be. But like i said before i soloed my aco til around level 40 and then started partying and earned every single exp my char has. I love my priestess and i love that i know how to play her. She ish smexy hawt healer for Adrenaline weee~ Anyhow like i said before...ANIME POWERLEVEL ME PWEASE ^_^

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

Any 1 here wanna xen stones? Plvl me >.<

Off topic: Bunny Angry said: XP pppppppppppppppprrrrrrrrrrrrtttttt
On topic: Go level up yourself and party with other instead of asking for powerlevel. :p

[AnimePimp66]

*plvls anime for his 1.5% D< *![/COLOR]

yay *does the plv dance* ^(*.*)> (>*.*)^ (^*.*)> its like the robot !

[awesome_josh]

yay *does the plv dance* ^(*.*)> <(*.*)^ its like the robot !

xD i wonder how you learned the plv dance >.>;;

[ky0_drag0n]

yay *does the plv dance* ^(*.*)> (>*.*)^ (^*.*)> its like the robot !

lolz, thats a cute dance xD

[AnimePimp66]

i learned it from plving maself xD

[nilysa]

Anime GO TO SLEEP ALREADY!!

[lynzy]

One of my fav thingys to do is to run to chant an sit in sz watchin new peeps ether beg for plvling or step out to try the turf OR sit outside da sz and die from a random agro walkin by...in one hit ofc lolol (yes...i'm odd :P) thingy is..there is lots more of em now than was even when i first started...which was august of this last year. plvling was done back then, but not muchs. now its like a plauge...and there realy isnt much u can do about it..cept ignore them...which sometimes is REALY hard to do. an i be the first to admit that i have been plvld...but i can't say i ever begged for it...not even once..joked about asking but lol who hasn't? :P being a mage, and not the best one out there...by far lol i don't plvl peeps, i will go pty wit them..even on me alts...but i jst not good for the deal of takin on even a small mob. (must be all that training to 'run...Forest...RUNNNN!!' when i get smackd around XD )

[tazsbigtoy]

I don't get it, if people don't enjoy playing the game, and face it the game is grinding, why bother? What do they get out of darting in and out of safezones when someone yells "killing"? For me the game is about meeting my goals. I like hitting the next level, getting the new skill and trying it out, putting on the new armor, and finding the 4 and 6ap items in my drops, and knowing I did that. I know of at least two people who were pleveled up to their class change then quit the game because they couldn't level themselves and noone would plevel them anymore. I also know of one character who thinks 2 to 3% per mob is bad experience, because he is used to much more.

[hoanghiep]

As one of the people who played this game since it first came out and worked my way to my lvl without plvling (there was no one that high enoughto plvl other and beside lol I barely knew anyone). I rly rly rly hate plvl....I mean what is the point of this game if you're just gonna "cheat" your way through it all? yesh I said cheat << Plvl is totally a form of cheating.
And I don't understand why people would even consider it. With plvl you don't get to "play" the game, neither do you gain Exp. I'm not talking about % exp. I'm talking about skills, reaction, your knowledge about your classes. I'm a ranger and I'm still learning about my own class, it's not something that can be done just by reading on forums or looking at people play! You need to play it to learn it. I met people who whine all the time and ask me to plvl them before, I met people who complain 1% per mob in aoe is not enough for them before. Heck I met people in the Lib who doesn't even know how to do their job, all they know is spam wild swing o_o.
I know lvling is hard and can be frustrated at time, but that's where partying come in! Sos is famous for its community, it's a fun game to communicate and intereact with other people! So I don't see why you would wanna pass that out. Beside partying makes time go by rly fast! :D
I'm proud of my accomplishment as one of the first 10 golden bow archer, as one of the first 10 rangers and I'm even more proud of myself about the fact that I got to this lvl with very very very little aoe or use books...or any forms of such things! I duoed with my wife ever since we were little aco and scouts. There's no better sense of pleasure when you get something and you worked hard for it :D.
Of course aoe is ok. but I believe it puts other people in danger, and well...if you ain't mean to be an aoe class. I don't see why you should lol.
Sowwy for the long passage @_@. And yesh, bran bran should be a bad example for us all. He constantly begging people to plvl him. To this day, he stills beg...and the bad thing about it all is. He's very arrogrant. I have seen him killing nuubs in pvp before, I understand pvp is player vs player, but dude pick on your own lvls. <_<

[monty1975]

i hate the term leeching....some one said i was leeching once...i replied im a mage,im suppose to leech in aoeing party,i cant collect.....only kill.The 9x warrior got mad but what i said was true...mages and acos leech in prty,cause our jobs are to heal or kill depending on class...but i hate when ppl beg for plving...8x mage most of my lvs came from solo grinding or prtying....how our u going to learn to play ur char if u sit in the sideline and let someone else do the work for u....if someone ask me too plv them i usually laugh at them and say do it urself

[stingstungme]

I dont consider mages and acos leeches. Acos are busy nonstop giving buffs and healing. They are the support class. Not having an aco in a group can limit how far you can go in hard maps as well as halt the party.
Mages can cause a lot of high damage to monsters so they are not leeches. You can't be a leech if you are contributing.

[tazsbigtoy]

No I don't think you should apply the term leech to anyone that contributes to a party. A mage in an aoe party acts as a binder and speeds the killing of the mob up. The faster the mob dies the less danger everyone in the party is in and the quicker everyone's experience goes up. In some cases the mage may double as a body guard for the healer, helping slow, stun or kill agros that go after the healer. And the healer will be healing and buffing. Mages and healers have poor defense, and if a mage mistimes his aoe skills or misjudges his distance he is dead. And healers seem to be the mobs favorite food. Leeches are someone that is in the party getting either experience or drops or both, but giving nothing back. I don't really think having a holder of pots or retriever of drops is that big of an advantage for a party.

[joshiasi]

SORA!!! Plvl meh!!! :O

aoe aoe?? lol >:D

[Kendrah]

Healer's aren't leechs. We do more work than tanks do. We usually have to contend with healing, buffing the tanks and saving our own booties bc most tanks are inattentive (because we're like... crack for mobs it seems >>; and yes, i have been SURROUNDED by tanks and still killed by mobs and inattentive tanks ), all while dealing with oft times rude tanks and that infamous "i hate healers, you all are leechs" speel we ALL hear ten thousand times.

And mages aren't leechs either. They are usually worth two or three AOEr's in the strength of their killing power. They make the turn killing happen sooo fast. I often regretted not realizing that when I was lvling my rogue.

People are just plain rude. >.>; regardless, I did hate the plvling begging xD Now that my main is a healer, I don't have that problem anymore. Yay for being a healer!

[BellaAnimorum]

Is this thread made to complain about players who don't work hard?
Don't complain! Talk is cheap!
If you don't like them, ignore them. If they are rude, ask them to leave you alone.
If they persist beyond the previous, then report them. Simple!

That or make a petition where everyone agrees to deny powerlevelling, oh wait, that won't work because so few people even read the forums in the first place, save for many of us which have been here a long time and have worked hard from square one.

Negativity only breeds more negativity.

[opensunflowers]

There are three generations...

Generation 1: closed beta kids. they worked their tushes off to get to where they are (level 112+) and they're the top dogs.

Generation 2: first months of open beta. typically not as hardcore as closed beta kids. semi-high level now (level 8x or third class already)

Generation 3: the newbies. infiltrated the last couple of months. typically level 30, as they have been for the last 6 weeks, since they spend all their time begging for plvling, in which they could have been leveling.

[waffaddict]

There are three generations...

Generation 1: closed beta kids. they worked their tushes off to get to where they are (level 112+) and they're the top dogs.

Generation 2: first months of open beta. typically not as hardcore as closed beta kids. semi-high level now (level 8x or third class already)

Generation 3: the newbies. infiltrated the last couple of months. typically level 30, as they have been for the last 6 weeks, since they spend all their time begging for plvling, in which they could have been leveling.


Yes, I fall in the underachieving portion of the 2nd Generation..:D.yes. (if only i had my laptop fixed, i would have been in CB) I've worked my tail off to get my couple of levels. I guess it frustrating to have someone do whats taken someone else time and effort to achieve and just accomplish it by sitting around. If its with friends or guild member then thats fine, but when it comes from begging or bargaining for it, thats a little sad :(.

(Off-topic: I had someone begging me to gift them, following me around. I thought that was sad too)

As far as certain classes leeching, it untrue. Leeching is not a class trait, it's a personal one. In a party, you can do something, it may not be as significant as something else, but its still in participating in the party.

[poochyenarulez]

i skipped some stuff so idk if anyone said this but..
IF U PLVL ANYONE1, U ARE ARE JUST DESTROYING THE GAME most people are being plvled around lvl 16-60, during them lvls, u get ssf, leather, wood(ect.)aka stuff that u can only get at them levels so, since no1 is lvling in the right places and getting plvled, there not gettig them items so there are less of them being gotten, understand?

anyways, wat do people find fun out of it? o.O

my idea is when u pt with some1 50-60 lvls below u, u get 80% or more less exp then u would get, that would stop people from getting plvl..
sound good?

[opensunflowers]

I don't understand why a majority of people consider healers to be leeches. Many people would DIE without bless, DIE without someone healing them, etc.

Especially in these new maps...healers have to work their little tushes off while us tanks just walk around and hit stuff.

[ChristinaM]

I don't understand why a majority of people consider healers to be leeches. Many people would DIE without bless, DIE without someone healing them, etc.

Especially in these new maps...healers have to work their little tushes off while us tanks just walk around and hit stuff.

I don't understand it either. IF healers were "leechers" why would all these online games even make a healer as an option to be a healing char. They are a necessary part of any game. Everyone (well most everyone) needs a healer. It just makes since.

Back on subject, I agree with you. plving is sort of an issue. I can understand someone helping out a guildmate, or plvling an alt with someone. But all the new people that start playing just aren't doing it themselves it seems. They aren't learning about the game or their char doing this. And certain items are becoming very rare b/c all of these lower lvls that can drop these things aren't doing so. They just want to get to lvl 60+ so what.. they can quit b/c no one will let them "leech" anymore? Just seems pointless to me..

[s2galm]

Omgawd! PLvl Me Pl0z!!! Me So Lazy Pl0z Pl0z I Gib You Xen Yesh?! Yesh?! Me Wants High Lvlzor! :O

Your Respond : You Fail

[ManaKnightMatthew]

Onne thing I've noticed with P-lvling is that you don't get exp nearly as fast as you do in a full party, killing monsters as a group. Sure you caan get the exp boosters, but that still won't replace the 20% party boost, and believe me, that is indeed worth it in the end.

The issue with beggers, btw, yeah you can ignore them, but if they continue to persist about being p-lvled after you already say no, drop a mob on them xD (Half-kidding). Still, if a AOEer says no, then quit asking, becaue ... well, unless you had 10-100 Xens, maybe, but no is no.

And also, I consider myself a 2nd generation player since I started back in Feb 08, and every bit of training that I put into my Neo, Scout, Knight and Cleric I have but maybe only asked for 1 p-lvl session, if not two. Otherwise, every % of exp I've worked hard into putting into them and the 3rd gen nbeed to take point and start learning from us 'old timers', or what will be the point of the game if you try to race your way to the top without experiencing it?

Also... Um... Could someone help p-lvl my Neo (CKMatthew X) to 66 ^_^() (13 lvls btw, lv53 atm) Not begging, just asking xD

[s2galm]

onne thing i've noticed with p-lvling is that you don't get exp nearly as fast as you do in a full party, killing monsters as a group. Sure you caan get the exp boosters, but that still won't replace the 20% party boost, and believe me, that is indeed worth it in the end.

The issue with beggers, btw, yeah you can ignore them, but if they continue to persist about being p-lvled after you already say no, drop a mob on them xd (half-kidding). Still, if a aoeer says no, then quit asking, becaue ... Well, unless you had 10-100 xens, maybe, but no is no.

And also, i consider myself a 2nd generation player since i started back in feb 08, and every bit of training that i put into my neo, scout, knight and cleric i have but maybe only asked for 1 p-lvl session, if not two. Otherwise, every % of exp i've worked hard into putting into them and the 3rd gen nbeed to take point and start learning from us 'old timers', or what will be the point of the game if you try to race your way to the top without experiencing it?

also... Um... Could someone help p-lvl my neo (ckmatthew x) to 66 ^_^() (13 lvls btw, lv53 atm) not begging, just asking xd

lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nameraka]

A 5x player who frequents a certain high-level map to "leech" was sitting and talking to a party about stuff, and then the conversation came to experience points. The player mentioned how some AoErs refused to let him/her join them...

Player: Some players are rude and don't help other people out.
Player: People like me need a boost.
Player: I am not harming anyone.

(The context of the conversation was actually worse than that, so let's not go there.)

I guess this is the mentality that's going around nowadays...


I don't understand why a majority of people consider healers to be leeches. Many people would DIE without bless, DIE without someone healing them, etc.

They're just jealous we have all the cool, shiny buffs. :D

[poochyenarulez]

I don't understand why a majority of people consider healers to be leeches. Many people would DIE without bless, DIE without someone healing them, etc.

Especially in these new maps...healers have to work their little tushes off while us tanks just walk around and hit stuff.

a healer can be consider a leecher if there in a map that they do under 10 damage if u ask me..

[Nanoko]

a healer can be consider a leecher if there in a map that they do under 10 damage if u ask me..

I help out a few acos at high level map, eventhough they can't do much but their bless actually help me survive
The healers don't hit/kill anyway so there is no point in considering the damage they do, as long as they heal fast enough for u and do all the jobs well

[opensunflowers]

a healer can be consider a leecher if there in a map that they do under 10 damage if u ask me..

The healer shouldn't even be touching the mobs, if you ask me, so their damage has nothing to do with it. ;)

[ggBuRNe]

"i hate healers" and "healers are leechers" are some of my favourite quote.. I hate them because most of them don't live up to my expectation and even the high level healers are not as good as they think they are.. Most of them think that they are good but actually they are not.. Some of them WERE good when they were lower level but they became lousy at higher levels.. I hate those healers who cannot accept criticism or advices.. Who cares if u 8x, 9x, 100x, 110x or 120x.. When your tanker tells you to do what they wish for smooth aoe, follow them.. If you can't, then decline it nicely with appropriate reasoning and don't think that you are smart.. Tankers or any player especially high level experienced players know what they are doing and they know the healer abilities.. Take criticisms and advices in positive ways..

As for healers are leechers, this is not true to a certain extent.. Healer buffs, heal and protect others.. HOWEVER, they can be considered as leecher if they just sit there doing nothing or put a burden on another healer or other players to protect them while they don't do much work.. I noticed this a lot when it comes to 2 or more healers in one pt or a duo pt with nub healer.. Level does not matter as long as the healer do their job properly with great timing on buffs and heal constantly.. Try not to talk, or u may look like a leecher and end up killing the party..

As for begging for plvling, I hate this.. I hate leechers.. I hate player who doesnt work their *** off to get their level.. I hate beggars and I get this a lot.. If i need you, I will invite you.. You can ask me to join, but if i say no, then leave.. Ask repeatedly, i will report straight away to outspark service.. xD

[tazsbigtoy]

Well, if it's taking more than one healer to keep the tank's health up then they are on a map too high for them. Most healers do like everyone else in the game and rush to the highest level map they can get to and track there. It's hard to find a healer to party with anywhere other than the new maps now. And if you do convince one to do so, they won't risk loosing their track so you end up having to repot and sell for them. I gave up with the rogue and disciple and just stick where I can solo. I just like to laugh when I see one post or shout about not being able to find a party. Healers can be leaches I think, i fthey can't handle the damage the mobs do to party members on the map, but many tanks want the lowest level healer that can keep them alive, so they get the most experience. It's been that way as long as I have been aoeing.

[TRXSTA]

I hate those healers who cannot accept criticism or advices.. Who cares if u 8x, 9x, 10x, 11x or 12x.. When your tanker tells you to do what they wish for smooth aoe, follow them.. If you can't, then decline it nicely with appropriate reasoning and don't think that you are smart.. Tankers or any player especially high level experienced players know what they are doing and they know the healer abilities.. Take criticisms and advices in positive ways..
I'm sure this goes the other way too. Just like not every high level healer is awesome, not every high level tank knows what the hell they're doing. For every branbran, you have a TRX. That guy sucked! I think it's a little blind to say the tankers know what they're doing, the tanker knows the other character's abilities. That kind of attitude doesn't leave much room for the tanker to take constructive criticisms either, I wouldn't think. A little bit of irony. Just a little.

... On topic, boo to beggars (and account sharers and 96+ archers that start with K and shout to join only AOE parties)!

[poochyenarulez]

to me, leeching is when some1 is in a pt that is MUCH to low to be in..
if a lvl 30 is in a amor pt, healing/carrying pots/just watching or watever, thats leeching, if u do under 10 damage in anyplace and your in a pt were they do alot more than 10 damage(like 250+) then thats leeching unless, your a healer in a loren aoe, but anything higher than loren is leeching if u ask me..

[Dragonfly77]

Healers are not leechers if they are keeping you alive. Aoe is the main source of exp for a healer; especially since partying has a much slower exp rate. Soloing is barely even an option. Both ends are happy: the aoer can get into higher leveled maps for the better drops and exp, without having to carry as much pots or spend so much at the cashshop. And the lower leveled healer isn't sucking up the exp. The healer is still getting decent exp, and a fair share of the drops.

Heal aoeing isn't easy. You have to constantly watch the aoers health bar and buffs, and measure out your mp usage to minimize the number of pots you need to carry, if you don't have cs pots. You don't want to take too much trips to the hotel to dump your loot and repot.

And as for the higher leveled healers; unless they got there doing actual leeching, they've had A LOT of practice with healing the aoers.

[xyangster]

And as for the higher leveled healers; unless they got there doing actual leeching, they've had A LOT of practice with healing the aoers.

Unfortunately, this "practice" does not necessarily translate into skill. I shouldn't have to remind an 8x cleric to refresh my buff timer. Not being able to find a good healer I actually like tanking for is one of the primary reasons my templar is on hiatus. When I was on my templar, healers begged for aoe more often than low levels asked for plvling, and to me, an incompetent healer is worse than a lazy newbie.

On topic: This game is pretty much just an endless grind. Which doesn't mean that I don't like it -- but when grinding is the only thing to do in this game, it makes me wonder why people even bother playing if they just want to be plvl'ed. Making threads like this is only good for venting, since the new maps have made it all the easier to leech. Anyway, Solstice is small enough that, at the end of the day, we all know who earned their stripes and who got an easy ride all the way to I-suck-ville.

[ChristinaM]

Unfortunately, this "practice" does not necessarily translate into skill. I shouldn't have to remind an 8x cleric to refresh my buff timer. Not being able to find a good healer I actually like tanking for is one of the primary reasons my templar is on hiatus. When I was on my templar, healers begged for aoe more often than low levels asked for plvling, and to me, an incompetent healer is worse than a lazy newbie.

On topic: This game is pretty much just an endless grind. Which doesn't mean that I don't like it -- but when grinding is the only thing to do in this game, it makes me wonder why people even bother playing if they just want to be plvl'ed. Making threads like this is only good for venting, since the new maps have made it all the easier to leech. Anyway, Solstice is small enough that, at the end of the day, we all know who earned their stripes and who got an easy ride all the way to I-suck-ville.

So true.. I have actually had lower lvls join my party to "leech" and they say to me, "man I can't get any exp on my own, I keep dying and I hate grinding" I say back, "Well this is the wrong game for you.. Alot of grinding goes into this game" They say... "Oh well, I'm still going to play, I like this game.. blah blah blah" -----THIS makes NO sense to me whatsoever. First off, you like sitting around doing nothing? Secondly, you will know nothing about the game except how to gain exp from higher lvls, and that will end eventually. I just don't get it..

[tazsbigtoy]

"-Become self dependent faster ( at a certain point they won't ask anymore and they will start helping people out cause they got some help)"

That doesn't seem to happen. They get used to getting really big experience being on maps 20+ levels too high for them. They can't aoe those maps when they get 66, and the 1-2% per mob they are capable of getting doesn't satisfy them. It never seems to occur to them that the tank they were leaching that wonderful 6-10% per mob or more off of was probably only getting 1% or so per mob. Add this to the fact that most of them haven't spent enough time actually playing their characters to know how to use their skills. They either end up going to higher maps and begging to be pleveled or quitting after of couple of weeks of whining about bad experience.

"To those high level people who said they don't like low level people leeching, so what about a high level person soloing a map not letting anyone in even if they can do something."
"(One aoer monopolizing the map cause they are high level and don't want to add people cause they have sz items)"

That is not monopolizing a map. Aoeing the map either solo or in a group and running out anyone else who tries to use the map is monopolizing it. Just not letting you into a party just means they don't want to party. Maybe that's the only map they can find free to do and they aren't getting very good experience on it, maybe they just want to be alone and grind, maybe they figure you want to be pleveled and don't believe in the practice. You're free to single kill or aoe the map on your own if you want.

"To those high levels complaining, there are plenty of maps out there that leechers can't go to. Your old monopolized maps are no longer safe."

There isn't a map in this game a level 36 neo with enough transparent plants can't get to.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

There people that leeching because they dosen't know how the grinding work on this game, sure some act as leecher not because they want necessairy to leech, but act as a pot seller for their party if they want to repot fast instead of warping. I hate leechers as well, but if they don't understand that we, high level up players, need exp because exp getting hard to get at level 10X, well they are in the wrong game and shbould find a new game instead.


Your response seems to be on pure out of the a ss. alot of maybe's on your response. Please suggest solutions like don't response to them people asking; report harassment of leechers; aore be illegal because its unfair to others; take out the skill invisible; or a cooldown timer for people using a certain popular map. Be constructive instead of just looking at the flaws of the logic i posted up to have you 1 cents thrown in. If the suggested act is illegal, the GM would put it on the rules. Lol, this is gonna be a witch hunt.

watch your language or i report your post for flamming the thread.

[poochyenarulez]

I guess its starting on this game too. Elitist are forming. Sending new people away to " find a new game". It seems to be a bad idea. Less and less people will come if we follow that idea. I guess I'll let things go there course let you guys do your self destruction. Flame Flame Flame lol.
Opposition is necessary. Viva low levels lol.

NUB
leeching is bad and when u pt with a leecher, u should get like 80% less exp or something,
leeching gets u no were besides a higher lvl faster, witch is pointless if u didn't get experience from getting to that lvl or if u had no fun doing it.
the only people that leech there lvls are greedy nubs..


also, telling some1 there that there a nub to be leeched lvls, is nicer than to let them leech.
if your parents didn't make u go to school, i bet u wouldn't go, but they were nice enough to much us, so now we are more experienced on things, get it?

[Propanol]

As a healer, sometimes I feel as if I were leeching exp. Like in Amorica forest, my aco lvl50+ was getting 0.70% per one kill when I partied with several lvl90+ people. In Loren party, I was getting 0.10% per one kill, which is 1/7 compared to Amorica. In either party, I was doing the same thing, healing & buff'ing. I don't see what makes such a big difference in % from doing the same job. So, I could say I'm a leecher when I join party in Amorica forest.

[poochyenarulez]

Nub vs Nerds
this is a game, your trying to stick your real life into this. lol.

omg, u ARE a nub
i was giving a real life example so mabye people would understand better

[poochyenarulez]

As a healer, sometimes I feel as if I were leeching exp. Like in Amorica forest, my aco lvl50+ was getting 0.70% per one kill when I partied with several lvl90+ people. In Loren party, I was getting 0.10% per one kill, which is 1/7 compared to Amorica. In either party, I was doing the same thing, healing & buff'ing. I don't see what makes such a big difference in % from doing the same job. So, I could say I'm a leecher when I join party in Amorica forest.

as aco, u shouldn't go to amor untill 61+..

[nameraka]

I see this thread closing in the very near future... :\


Your response seems to be a little weak. alot of maybe's on your response. Please suggest solutions like don't response to them people asking; report harassment of leechers;

If you feel you are being harassed, you are allowed to report regardless of what level you are, and all reports are considered.

I have seen people being abusive to a low-level player asking for plvling. That is not acceptable and should be reported.

The harassment also occurs in the reverse; someone would be on a map, and the "leecher" would start begging for plvl for 30-40 minutes nonstop. Some even KS until they can join the party or log out. This also is not acceptable.


aore be illegal because its unfair to others;

This game was built with an AoE system, and it works fairly well.

It is not totally unfair. Nobody is going to ban you for staying on a map where someone is already AoEing. If you want to grind there and not AoE, you just grind and watch out for mass respawns. If you want to AoE there, just use common courtesy - use a White Egg to ask if someone's on the map, and if they don't want to share, they don't. There are other, similar maps out there.


take out the skill invisible;

It's a rogue's specialty skill...

Someone suggested that maps have level limits; for instance, don't allow levels 90 or below into level 112+ maps. This would stop a lot of invisible neos into the maps.

Someone else suggested that the skill be available only for lv60+. That could work too.


or a cooldown timer for people using a certain popular map.

Instead of putting limits on certain maps, why not add a playing timer to all players? Another game I used to play gives you X hours to continuously grind; when the timer runs out, you aren't allowed to whack stuff anymore until the cooldown finishes. (You are allowed to run for your life, though.)

I am not in support of this idea; I'm just throwing it out there as an alternative. It would be easier to implement this than placing time limits on specific maps for specific people who have been there for X hours.


Be constructive instead of just looking at the flaws of the logic i posted up to have you 1 cents thrown in. If the suggested act is illegal, the GM would put it on the rules. Lol, this is gonna be a witch hunt.

A lot of things we complain about on the forums are not "illegal." It's either annoying, against common courtesy, or just worth complaining about... but not worth making a rule.

If you simply followed rules but did whatever you liked, you won't get banned, but you could gain a lot of enemies (regardless of level). For instance, leeching isn't against the rules (but harassment is, so ask only once and leave if they say no), but you gain a very bad reputation for not knowing how to play your class.


I guess its starting on this game too. Elitist are forming. Sending new people away to " find a new game". It seems to be a bad idea. Less and less people will come if we follow that idea. I guess I'll let things go there course let you guys do your self destruction. Flame Flame Flame lol.
Opposition is necessary. Viva low levels lol.

Sure, there are a few elitists in the game, but don't let them make your life miserable; they aren't worth it.

The majority of us would help new players. I've seen high levels teach new players how to operate the class, and I've seen other high-level players help newbies with their gear.

The thing we don't agree to is "leeching" - by sitting there and AFKing, you are not learning about how the game works, and you won't know how to operate your class. I know a 5x player who doesn't know that regular chat doesn't get heard halfway across the map...

And yeah, some people don't hesitate to say "play another game" if they feel this game doesn't suit you. This game wasn't meant for people to sit and get exp all day for holding potions; if that is what you are doing, you're missing out on what the game can offer.

[nameraka]

As a healer, sometimes I feel as if I were leeching exp. Like in Amorica forest, my aco lvl50+ was getting 0.70% per one kill when I partied with several lvl90+ people. In Loren party, I was getting 0.10% per one kill, which is 1/7 compared to Amorica. In either party, I was doing the same thing, healing & buff'ing. I don't see what makes such a big difference in % from doing the same job. So, I could say I'm a leecher when I join party in Amorica forest.

Same job but more difficulty.

If I'm running around with an 8x AoEr in Loren and Kramer, I can relax a bit because he'll have to take a lot of hits before he dies. If I'm running around with a 9x (same class) in Eaglerentin and he gets mobbed, I'm spamming heals and potions at the same time constantly just to keep him alive.

Maybe the example is a bit extreme (true story though!), but still... same job, different difficulty. :D

[NeoQueenElyse]

I'm very annoyed and frustrated with the powerleveling that has been going on. There are new clerics popping up left and right and they don't even know how to play their class. It's not just clerics either, but rogues, knights, templars, archers as well. I have worked EXTREMELY hard for over a year to get to my level and if you can't do it yourself then you shouldn't play. I dunno I guess I get very bitter about powerleveling. I don't mind people doing AoEing, but do something to help if you can. If you are a level 49 aco in a map that is almost 100 levels higher than you is just idiotic. You'll probably die in one hit, and it's unlikely that you can really help much in a party. I guess I get frustrated when I see people getting to a class that I worked so hard for in a month or less. I don't know I'm not targeting it at anyone specific, but it really bugs me. -_- I hope I didn't offend anyone with my ranting and raving... :X

[nameraka]

This past week, I've "leeched" in AoE parties, but I did buff and heal, so I didn't feel too bad about that.

Until today when I stuck around for hours in a party with three healers, one of whom had Major Heal. So I didn't do anything much except the random heal, Fist Up, hold pots and, of course, leech. I have never felt so useless and guilty... ._.

Rant aside, I was with this party when a player drops in. (Edited for grammar, but the caps and words are the same.)

Player: Mind if I leech?
A: Sorry, full party.
B: We're full.
Player: Well...
Player: BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK.

Really... disheartening. ._.;

[creezteena]

^^^^... nice thread..
tho i was guilty of leeching...i only ask for those whom i know well...
and when they say no... then thats it.. no more begging...
soloing is not fun.. its boring tho u get lots of exp.. but leeching is not so fun as well...
u just sit and let others fyt...
fast killing is the funniest and the boredom less way lo level...
just need to find good pt.. those that are laud enough to kill the silent air... as well the aggresive monsters...

woot!!! guild leech only! ^^

[NeoQueenElyse]

Yeah, parties are best. Granted experience might not be the highest, but you kill quickly so you probably end up breaking even when it comes to experience. Plus it makes the game more worthwhile. There's a community here for people to make friends and such, this game isn't just about leveling and being the best. It's supposed to be about fun I thought...

[creezteena]

woot.. yea right... i love parties.. with balloons and and stuffs.. ^^
sometimes it even gives u more exp... then u never knew.. you just leveled up...

go! go! go! party people...

[tazsbigtoy]

We have a tendency to take the game way too seriously. We forget we do it for fun. I seem to remember if you get in a good party time flies by and you stop watching the darned experience bar. Aoe seems more like work sometimes.

[NeoQueenElyse]

I totally agree! I love being in a wild hard core party that just goes crazy. Like last weekend when I finally reached priest, I had a full party and we went to town on killing mobs in Amorica. Next thing you know I finally got my 2 levels that I needed until priest and it was just so much fun. It didn't feel like work, I was able to help kill and it was a good time. Powerleveling only gets you the high level, it doesn't help you learn your class better and you don't end up with a sense of accomplishment when you get to your class changes.

[jojoli]

>___>;; I was never plvled, but....was offered :3~ My guildies are nice.

[creezteena]

ive been guilty of plving again... T.T sometimes when im desperate.. but if no one wants to.. then fine by me.. imm going solo... wooot.. loren is my fave map now... ^^ tentenenen.. loren here i come..

[holli_hobbi]

I kinda feel that each person in a party should have a job to do. If they aren't big enough to at least help kill the hard-hitters and protect the healer.. then they shouldn't be with that party, at least in general. My main is a healer... and quite honestly, I would rather go help a low-level fight in an area they can handle, then have them sit near the sz and leech. At least then they are having to work for what they get.

My main char is a healer... and my general rule for myself, is that if I can't take at least two hits in an area... then I shouldn't be healing there. Cause if I die, I put my whole party at risk. By being able to take a couple hits, I can keep myself healed until the tanks/binders in the party can get the mob off me. So I don't think its unfair for me to expect the other chars (with way higher def then healers) to be able to take two hits as a party requirement.

I saw in an earlier post something about multiple healers in a party. That can work well, if you actually divide the work up. Like having the higher lvl healer do the bless, and the lower do the fist up. And each be responsible for healing certain chars. But you have to BOTH be paying attention and doing your job.