Balance

[Absolute_Defense]

I really don't think the professions are balanced much, if at all. Will that be happening soon? I've seen so many more clerics than anything else simply because it's so much easier when you have infinite healing. I'm level 23 on my cleric and to be honest I have over 200 pots of each kind and rarely use stones while I see warriors having to spam them to stay alive. No one else has any kind of self heal? Well they do obviously but it just costs them a load more. What's less damage matter if you can't die in some cases...I think even if it's a bad one the others need some kind of a heal or something to make up for this. But that's just my opinion ^-^ that and mages I've seen kill anything with a few hits before it runs enough to even reach them, makes me wonder how the pvp will go in its current state.

[Archaonn]

Professions? You mean classes right? If so yeah i agree that Clerics are imbalanced but not in a healing way I mean c'mon thats their niche, i think their damage needs to be nerfed a bit.

[Yarimapirate]

Professions? You mean classes right? If so yeah i agree that Clerics are imbalanced but not in a healing way I mean c'mon thats their niche, i think their damage needs to be nerfed a bit.

I dont think so... ive seen mages kill 4 things in the time i kill one

[Cuddles101]

I dont think so... ive seen mages kill 4 things in the time i kill one

Mages can also kill mobs without taking a hit. I bet they'll want them nerfed too.

[Gravvi]

like archaonn said clerics are like priests. THe healers and buffers. And the heal isn't free. OMG i have had to spam blue pots in KQ. TO keep everyone rezed, healed, buffed. They can't really be called overpowerd. Everyone can do what we do. But we can only heal longer. All classes have a chain of attackspells. Clerics don't.

[Gavener]

my warrior uses potions, he might die if i dont watch his health, but i kill faster there is your balance

[Gravvi]

if anything i think that mages are barely overpowered when it comes to damage dealing. But i guess it is nessessary since they have really low health. But archers i think are one of the weakest classes. They don't get alot of hp nor sp and their damage isn't up to par with any class. What are archers good at.

[Tasuke]

Hm.. to be honest, I think the cleric should do a lot less damage, since they're supposed to be the support class anyways.

[angelz_3]

I disagree with Tasuke. Ya clerics are a support class, but i like how this game doesnt make them just limited to that...we are capable of soloing when we want to/ cant find a party which is awesome. However the dmg isnt so outstanding that we can pwn anyone that we so choose. Basically i like being able to support others at times, but then be a loner at other times. Our defense and damage cant compare to fighters, which is good because it seperates the classes into what they are.

[Cyrogen]

So I was in KQ the other day, we had 12 clerics, a low level warrior that I think went afk at the start, and 2 mages. I am not joking.

If clerics are so overpowered, why did we have more people 1 shotted on Gold Marlone than ever before? Why was it the only KQ that I've ever run out of time? (for those that have never seen one, you get a "FAIL" message like the success one, then 30 sec to port to town)

If clerics are so overpowered, and this is an MMO where we are partying together, making friends, fighting the good fight together.... why are my other class friends leveling faster than I am? (I'm putting in some pretty hard core play time).

Warriors are fine.

Mages are fine.

Archers.... maybe not so fine, maybe a little more damage.

Clerics are fine PvE... maybe not PvP, but I'll reserve judgement on this til max level.

[Nerria]

Clerics are only imbalanced because you haven't played them in a group situation where you have to spam pots and stones repeatedly clearly.

Big deal if they are over-powered in solo. While they take 15 seconds to get 500 xp, another Cleric in a grind party is getting 900~ a kill every few seconds on constant pulls.

Just how you roll I guess. I'm not bashing either way to play - as I solo on my Cleric a lot. It is just a lot better to play in a party and do your role... which kills your stone supply.

Mages are overpowered post-60 I can tell you that. 20 second fear spell? My god that is insane...

Warriors have 3 skills which hit over 1k post-60 and a heal swing somewhere in the line.

Archers are... well... they get the short end of the stick it seems but whatever.

I'm sure as we progress deeper into the game all the classes will balance out. (or imbalance until every class overpowers another.)

[Absolute_Defense]

my warrior uses potions, he might die if i dont watch his health, but i kill faster there is your balance

Kill faster as the cost of how many pots? If used right having a deep mana pool unless your rushing a priest can heal through any group I've come across and suffer no budget damage and just gain more and more money.

[Absolute_Defense]

At level 23 I have 700 mana, it costs a minimum of 4 with SE points to heal or upto around 14ish. The spammibility of it is crazy, not only that I tried to use a stone and got all my energy back, so yes in my point of view in a battle you do have infinite heals, at least I do with 134 mana pots and 41 stones that I now seldom use. Only downfall is the 2.1 seconds downtime.

[Cuddles101]

I think I remember someone saying that clerics had the most skills to purchase, that on top of the equipment we also need to buy to stay alive...maybe that's why we need to save our money...

[Absolute_Defense]

I think I remember someone saying that clerics had the most skills to purchase, that on top of the equipment we also need to buy to stay alive...maybe that's why we need to save our money...

Maybe...but I have enough silver for the next skill I get and I'm still 2 levels off of it and I already pre-bought my armor so GG.

[Cyrogen]

just gain more and more money.

Ever played an MMO "end game"? It's not the ones who don't consume who make money there, it's the ones who kill fast. Killing fast = faster monster drops = faster money.

and about clerics don't consume.... end game = bosses. bosses are the place we get better gear in an end game. Clerics will be doing their share of consuming there to keep everyone alive.

[Gravvi]

Not everyone can farm for potion ingredients to make 140 potions. And no we don't have unlimited heals. The stones cost alot of money overall. And makes people bankrupt. Then if u can't afford them all you run out. Clerics go through potions faster than any class i have seen.

[Absolute_Defense]

Not everyone can farm for potion ingredients to make 140 potions. And no we don't have unlimited heals. The stones cost alot of money overall. And makes people bankrupt. Then if u can't afford them all you run out. Clerics go through potions faster than any class i have seen.

Then tell me why I have yet to use one pot by level 24 o.O I used a few stones max by now due to the fact I lowered Heal cost all the way and put most my attributes into SP and bought the passive SP increase.

[UrieHinrick]

Just the other day, I was on burning hill in a party with a cleric friend of mine and we were fighting hoards of monster(megatons and whatnot).

We got seperated by a small distance. So I was soloing 2 monsters and while I was able to kill them in a reasonable time, I had no SP left and was going to see how my friend was doing.

I turned around to see that he had five or six monsters attacking him and he was healing away while killing them in a manner just a bit slower than my own. I'm saying to myself, "whoa, and we are at the same level and he has no empowerments, wish I could trade my guy in for a cleric".

I attack one of the monsters and, not having SP, its takes almost as long to kill one as it does for him to kill one. He even starts healing, along with himself, me!

I can see his mana bar and he might have used 1-3 sp pots but that's not bad to heal both of us against difficult odds.

So, in the end, while I said nothing, I thought "It's sure nice to know who's the warrior is in this party".

*Breaks down in tears*

[Absolute_Defense]

Just the other day, I was on burning hill in a party with a cleric friend of mine and we were fighting hoards of monster(megatons and whatnot).

We got seperated by a small distance. So I was soloing 2 monsters and while I was able to kill them in a reasonable time, I had no SP left and was going to see how my friend was doing.

I turned around to see that he had five or six monsters attacking him and he was healing away while killing them in a manner just a bit slower than my own. I'm saying to myself, "whoa, and we are at the same level and he has no empowerments, wish I could trade my guy in for a cleric".

I attack one of the monsters and, not having SP, its takes almost as long to kill one as it does for him to kill one. He even starts healing, along with himself, me!

I can see his mana bar and he might have used 1-3 sp pots but that's not bad to heal both of us against difficult odds.

So, in the end, while I said nothing, I thought "It's sure nice to know who's the warrior is in this party".

*Breaks down in tears*

In all honestly against mages and certain foes I make the warrior stand back and let me tank because magic damages me less and they'll get on me eventually so it's just easier to heal one person :)

[weardo05]

Mages can also kill mobs without taking a hit. I bet they'll want them nerfed too.

thats becuse if they take a hit they die

[Xanthros]

I'm level 23 on my cleric and to be honest I have over 200 pots of each kind and rarely use stones while I see warriors having to spam them to stay alive.

This tells me that you rarely party, or everyone in your party uses the shroom whenever one gets low. How do I know this you ask? I'm a cleric, and with fully trained down heal (sp and cool down), with a party of 3 grinding in a decent XP area, I can burn through 150 tier 1 sp pots in under 2 hours total. If you're not burning sp as a cleric, you're A) soloing with a ton of rest, or B) not doing your job.

As for nerfing cleric damage... do you understand just how weak a cleric is in comparison, and that any class may seem powerful if you're watching people who are wielding glowing weapons? Ask any user who has a +6 or higher glowing just what a damage output difference there is between the stock and the +6 (not the numbers, but actual damage when you hit) and you will see that it's the enhancement system, not the cleric equipment itself.

X-

[Cuddles101]

waerdo05 - Exactly, and yet, some people think mages are overpowered. I'm glad you see the logic in this. You are truly enlightened, my brother.

Xanthros - I'm a hoarder by nature and I hate using recovery items unless I absolutely have to but whenever I'm in a KQ or a party...I have to. And all I have to say about nerfing cleric damage is, if they do, expect to see alot of kiting from that class from then on.

[Ziaver]

like archaonn said clerics are like priests. THe healers and buffers. And the heal isn't free. OMG i have had to spam blue pots in KQ. TO keep everyone rezed, healed, buffed. They can't really be called overpowerd. Everyone can do what we do. But we can only heal longer. All classes have a chain of attackspells. Clerics don't.

They look more to me like a paladin does, wearing heavy armor anyways.

[fundude93]

eh, mages need either a ton more sp or reduced sp consumption, its like ridiculously high to cast a level 3 or 4 thunderbolt, but firebolt is only 12 at thatlevel...??

[pantiesrox]

these guys arguing that clerics aren't overpowered, lol.

okay, i'll discuss pve first. Clerics can solo past level 40. Clerics can easily solo monsters in the orange and sometimes in the red with nothing more than a power scroll. Name one other class that can pull that off. thought so.

now to pvp. get in a REAL guild war sometime. one where everyone meets somewhere and you guys duke it out. 90% of the time, it will require 2 people to kill a cleric. Which class besides cleric can't be killed 1v1? thought so.

Clerics are overpowered. if you disagree you a) haven't played at the higher levels of the game or b) are a cleric and you're just saying it because you dont want to get nerfed. Either way, your opinion is biased and not worth reading.

and before everyone starts jumping on my case: I had a level 45 cleric in CB, a level 30ish archer on Teva (quit using him because i had to rely too heavily on parties, something i never needed on my cleric) and various level 20+ fighters.

My cleric i rolled my way to 45 without really spending too much time in game. my archer it took me A LONG time to get to 30, my fighters all levelled fairly quickly but were broke as a joke and I had to resort to making farm mages just to keep up on skills and equipment.

[Nerria]

these guys arguing that clerics aren't overpowered, lol.

okay, i'll discuss pve first. Clerics can solo past level 40. Clerics can easily solo monsters in the orange and sometimes in the red with nothing more than a power scroll. Name one other class that can pull that off. thought so.

now to pvp. get in a REAL guild war sometime. one where everyone meets somewhere and you guys duke it out. 90% of the time, it will require 2 people to kill a cleric. Which class besides cleric can't be killed 1v1? thought so.

Clerics are overpowered. if you disagree you a) haven't played at the higher levels of the game or b) are a cleric and you're just saying it because you dont want to get nerfed. Either way, your opinion is biased and not worth reading.

and before everyone starts jumping on my case: I had a level 45 cleric in CB, a level 30ish archer on Teva (quit using him because i had to rely too heavily on parties, something i never needed on my cleric) and various level 20+ fighters.

My cleric i rolled my way to 45 without really spending too much time in game. my archer it took me A LONG time to get to 30, my fighters all levelled fairly quickly but were broke as a joke and I had to resort to making farm mages just to keep up on skills and equipment.

You are missing a major part in guild wars though - clerics can't kill very easy. Big deal, we can stay alive forever unless an actual team attacks us... otherwise, we are a sitting duck. I don't care how upgraded you are, you cannot kill someone in a 1v1 if they are of equal level range to you. (ie 50-50)

Nerfed? Why do you want us nerfed? You want the only class in the game that everyone needs to level up nerfed?

That isa bit ludicrous but I can go with that for now... why?

What should be nerfed on us? Heals? Great, now you screwed up everyone in PvE too. Health? Great, now you screwed up everyone in PvE too. It is natural for clerics to take hits, especially during large pulls or aggros with their healing.

If a cleric can't take a hit, they die. If they die, the group fails.

So in all honesty, HOW do Clerics need to be nerfed?

You can't nerf them without affecting everyone... and they aren't overpowered anyways. They trade hp for damage. A full end warrior does more damage then us half the time... plus they have useful skills.

We can heal and go invincible for 10 seconds. Whoop-dee-doo.

So please, explain to me, how do you think Clerics should be nerfed?

And if you don't bother reading because you *think* this post is biased, your post isn't relevant then because you aren't even listening to all the sides of the story here. Hell, you aren't even understanding them, yet you admit you had a Cleric 40+.

How did you figure yourself overpowered? Because you could solo? Big deal... a group grinding or farming gets 10 times more than a cleric gets every hour. (random made up guesstimate xP) But they get a lot more (for example, a group in Uruga for an hour nets me almost 10s after buying stones)... so you probably say:

"Clerics can solo though, even if it isn't effective, they still can."
[The general response]

Yes that is true, but fact is - getting a group isn't hard either. Other classes can get them easily, unless you are a social hermit and have no friends in your time zone / level range.

Sorry to come off a bit cross, but you aren't being very fair. If we are nerfed, I don't care since I group 100% of the time. However, if they tough our spells in any way, it is game over for PvE and PvP.

Oh, if you think you levelled up faster because you solo'd... there is no way. If anything, a Mage or Archer [I have both] would easily beat a cleric in the under levels. Once you get in the mid 30's though and the game falls into party mode... everyone levels the same.

[Game_Hermit]

I really don't think the professions are balanced much, if at all. Will that be happening soon? I've seen so many more clerics than anything else simply because it's so much easier when you have infinite healing. I'm level 23 on my cleric and to be honest I have over 200 pots of each kind and rarely use stones while I see warriors having to spam them to stay alive. No one else has any kind of self heal? Well they do obviously but it just costs them a load more. What's less damage matter if you can't die in some cases...I think even if it's a bad one the others need some kind of a heal or something to make up for this. But that's just my opinion ^-^ that and mages I've seen kill anything with a few hits before it runs enough to even reach them, makes me wonder how the pvp will go in its current state.

Healers use less potions? Really? I never would have guessed! I mean they do in every other MMORPG in the entire world, but what were the odds that fiesta healers would be like that too?!

If the other classes got heals clerics would just be really gimpy warriors. Mages have to kill things before it reaches them because they die in like 3 hits. Every class has something it does better. That's the whole point of having classes. That's the way things are, deal with it. Try to offer some actual feedback besides "make every class exactly the same until we're all just one class." next time.

[Cuddles101]

Y'know I always thought it would be a good thing to have clerics running all over the freaking place. That way, you're guaranteed to get a heal or a rez on any map you traverse. You people should be so grateful, but, you're not. You want to decrease the number of clerics playing? Why? Because you have to spend money on potions? Dude, I have to spend money on potions too and I'm a cleric. It's a good thing I have a really nice warrior friend who has the potion skill that I can buy them at a reduced price from him. I even give him my potion raw material drops for free because I'm not selfish. I need him just like he needs me.

Maybe you should get the potion skill too. It would be alot cheaper than buying overpriced potions, ne? And getting the raw materials is no big deal since, y'know being a warrior guarantees you get the best drops in a party anyway while us lowly clerics have to take our place in the back and make sure our tanks don't get any boo boos.

I'm apologize for my attitude, but I'm really angry right now.

[Elliahante]

I believe that fighters should have higher def/end or higher attack, other classes are not that far from us at times and I think that it would help greatly with us spending money on stones and pots. I know I have spent more then 30s on stones and pots. I need a cleric a lot, a thought, fighters tend to be able to fight as loners as a general and party only when they too, they shouldn't have to depend upon parties to survive