Fed up with abyss. Again.

[WolfAngel9414]

So...
I'm really fed up with abyss.
Like really fed up.

People kill whoever comes in and then tell you it's not harassment, it's pvp.
I just had a guy tell me that the monsters were put in there to increase pvp not to level. Why have I heard reports that they're going to be changing the exp loss in abyss? Why has the issue been dropped?

I personally think they should put kill points in FBZ and alter the level lock on abyss. I just attempted to go into 5x abyss on my 48 fighter to get to 49, and guess what? A 6x extended, T3'd archer run me into a mob, killed me, and his only excuse was "I don't like your guild." He's been harassing people for ages, why has nothing been done about abyss yet?

The general excuse is: "It's pvp. Don't like it? Leave." I could totally deal with the abyss if we didn't have 6x's in 5x, 4x's in 3x, so on and so forth. It puts them at an advantage, and at the abyss cap, they can do whatever they feel like doing to other people.

You've heard all this before, right? Why does no one care anymore then hm?

I fully expect flames for this one. I imagine the pkers are going to speak up here and defend their right to continuously slaughter lower levels. Come on in, you don't hurt me =]

[DF001]

PKers have the right to continuously slaughter lower levels

[WolfAngel9414]

lol *examines nails* What an adorable community.

[mehe25]

I'm sad to say this but DF100 has a point.......T.T

I hate that part of the abyss to....

[WolfAngel9414]

Whatever happened to 30-39 kind of level limits? I liked those. <.<

[DF001]

Ilu DF<3

I just copy pasted what you said.

[SweaterMittens]

Don't enter abyss if you don't want to die, it's as simple as that.

[WolfAngel9414]

Aren't you pleasant...

I'm just saying that abyss is getting ridiculous...I just want the cap to be taken down a few levels...say maybe seven? Getting rid of exp loss would make everything better but we know how it goes when we ask for too much at once. I grind abyss (when I can get past the pkers at the gate) because it's a lot faster than anywhere else. 3 hours in abyss is about 6 hours on monsters my level.

[jiece]

And risk a drop in SC item purhase? No way in hell!!

[Plushii]

lalala here I come with my theory again :D

PKers like to see their victems upset, not all, but most PKers have that goal.
So if you would react the opposite of what they would expect you to they might lose intrest in you.
One time I even had a PKer turned into my 'bodyguard' because of an act that I liked him PKing me.
And often they let me alone when I just smile and congratulate them on their 'power and might'

[WolfAngel9414]

Lucky you, Plushii. You must've met one with a conscience.


& to jiece with the SC comment, Oh yea, I forgot about that. Silly me.

[Plushii]

Lucky you, Plushii. You must've met one with a conscience.



maybe :P
It's been a while ago though, when my little fighter was still weak, I got PKed a lot, but everytime I said things like "Wow you're so strong :D" and things like that I noticed they lost intrest (not always, but often) or just act like you don't even care, bluff you have teva even if you don't.

[WolfAngel9414]

Regardless, we shouldn't have to put up with it. It's not encouraging anything except bloodlust and idiocy. I remember SKiNG saying something about fixing the abyss, well, it didn't happen... x.x

[Plushii]

Regardless, we shouldn't have to put up with it. It's not encouraging anything except bloodlust and idiocy. I remember SKiNG saying something about fixing the abyss, well, it didn't happen... x.x

yeah unfortunally, pvp in abyss is ok though, nobody ever complained about it....until the exp lost got involved, still is a big fail in my opinion >.>

[WolfAngel9414]

I could deal with losing money over T3s and losing my buffs, losing the exp I just worked my butt off to get...not so much. A lot of this started when they put kill points in there too.

Leaderboard summary:

"Look! I killed more noobs than you with my extenders and charms! :) I win!"

[Totoros]

GM toto will give you the answer
[GM ToTo]: /w get our new cool magic potion 2 just in case some n00b archer comes and try to kill you with his n00b dots and trail of mobs.
[/sarcasm]

Seriously go hit onson door cause OS will never push for real rules. Would you alter or remove the most profitable part of your game? ($_$)<--dollar face

chances are the said archer had +9 equips.
I am pretty sure you did try to kill him but failed to do so, if you had the sc pots on im pretty sure you could kill him unless he had them too. Just use deva and roll your face over the keyboard is the key to success : )

[ffron]

I agree with both sides, Abyss should lower the lvl limit or lower exp lose but I also think that kill points should be achieved in fbz instead of abyss. Ever since my BoT expired Ive stayed out of Abyss unless absolutley necessary. At lvl 83 if i get killed by some pker id be upset too especially when I lose 1/4 of a mill if I die. But as for an example, a lvl 36 going into 20 abyss just to act tough is just stupid in my eyes but thats my opinion. As some other games Ive played Os should make CS potions buyable with game money for example - 10,000 100 silcer 50,000 hp 500 silver and so on

[WolfAngel9414]

I totally would've used (*wasted*) my earth day pot on his sorry hind end. >.> oh yea.

Besides.
He did have +9's, and was 6x, with 4.4k hp, and I was lvl 48 with 3.2k non extended <.< Since he's an archer...I probably wouldn't have gotten anywhere if I had went after him, miss too much :/

It does come down to the money. People spend tons on extenders/charms/pots so they can get up there on that godforsaken leaderboard.

[Link2.0]

yeah...sadly, this is happening ALOT, especially in the lv20 abyss where the lv3x ppl think there all high mighty and kill everyone they see, and not just in that abyss, but everywhere :/ I agree with wolfangel on this, this should be fixed. Why would u have lv6x on a lv5x abyss? its pointless. I hope this does get fixed >_<

[nasgax]

Why does everyone think abyss is the only way of leveling up? Sure it is ALOT easier, but it comes with a price... PvP. Apparently those who spend alot on SC deserve to grind in the best place.

[darthnish]

i'm er a nicer pker, i kill only ppl in my level range :3

[WolfAngel9414]

nasgax playing the devil's advocate again. Listen, I don't so much mind the pvp as much as the 6x's in 5x, 3x's in 2x, etc. They don't even get good exp at that level, was it done on purpose? -_-

[Miazma]

Its about time people started to realise that the *NUMBER* above the NPC's heads in the Abyss foyer are RECOMMENDED level requirements to enter. They are NOT the 5x or 6x Abyss meaning they are for those levels only.

[nasgax]

nasgax playing the devil's advocate again. Listen, I don't so much mind the pvp as much as the 6x's in 5x, 3x's in 2x, etc. They don't even get good exp at that level, was it done on purpose? -_-

Eh? Devil? I was just pointing out that OS did that because they are making MONEY from it. They won't change it back to 'normal'. I'd like someone to tell us what the Korean lvl range is in the abyss. I'm curious to know.

[salut1988]

And by that Fiesta is starting to look ugly like other "free" games. I don't mind them selling some stuff to people to make money, but when they alter the game into a business, it's getting boring. I'd rather play WoW who i know i have to pay to play, but then every change is done for all the players, then play a game that is "free" but you are listened only if you pay.

[Mindspank]

"PKers have the right to continuously slaughter lower levels"

Somehow, I dont think that what your saying makes any sense. Because you CAN do something, does not always mean you have the RIGHT to do something. I can go out, rob a bank, kill thousands of innocent people, but that does not mean I have the right to do so. When it comes to the abyss, you have to use moral judgement as to weither or not you SHOULD do something. You never have the right to do anything, especially at another players expense. Not to mention alot of lower leveled players nowadays are only alternate characters to more powerful characters, possibly admins or even masters to very large and well connected guilds. It all comes down to weither or not your willing to reap what you sew.

I have seen players like DF001 hole themselves in abyss for hours because of something they started by PK'ing random players because they feel they have the right to. Next thing you know a large guild wars his guild, then another guild wars his guild, then ANOTHER guild wars his guild. And he laughed about it the whole time in the abyss when in reality he didnt have the courage to face the consequences of the mess he created.

That being said, there are inherited dangers with leveling in places that are PvP enabled. If you are not willing to accept the risk of getting killed, then you can do a few things:

1.) Form a party of fairly higher leveld players. There is always safety in numbers.
2.) Have a higher leveld friend come in to deal with the PK'er, or maybe even keep him occupied while you farm/grind in relative safety
3.) Leave abyss and wait it out. Even PK'ers sleep.
4.) Observe the comings and goings of abyss dwellers. PK'ers and PKK'ers have schedules and usually avoid eachother, so try to visit the abyss while the PKK'ers have control.
5.) Just dont go.

By expressing your opinion in a constructive manner, other than yelling explitives at the PK'er players, you are already showing that you have the ability to reason and be rational. Just try to let good judgement prevail as far as the abyss goes.

[nasgax]

Somehow, I dont think that what your saying makes any sense. Because you CAN do something, does not always mean you have the RIGHT to do something. I can go out, rob a bank, kill thousands of innocent people, but that does not mean I have the right to do so. When it comes to the abyss, you have to use moral judgement as to weither or not you SHOULD do something. You never have the right to do anything, especially at another players expense. Not to mention alot of lower leveled players nowadays are only alternate characters to more powerful characters, possibly admins or even masters to very large and well connected guilds. It all comes down to weither or not your willing to reap what you sew.

LOLWUT?! How is relating something illegal and against humankind to a PKer Pking in the PvP place? I am sorry but you need to use a different relation. The one you are using makes NO SENSE. PKers have the RIGHT to PK people in the PvP abyss so that they CAN be on the leaderboards.




I have seen players like DF001 hole themselves in abyss for hours because of something they started by PK'ing random players because they feel they have the right to. Next thing you know a large guild wars his guild, then another guild wars his guild, then ANOTHER guild wars his guild. And he laughed about it the whole time in the abyss when in reality he didnt have the courage to face the consequences of the mess he created.

Why would he walk out of the abyss to face 50+ players waiting to gang him? If they can't kill him 1v1 or 1v5, then they resort to 1v50? In that case I'd say the guild that warred in the first place are the ones that are being the 'bullies'

[Totoros]

Because you CAN do something, does not always mean you have the RIGHT to do something. I can go out, rob a bank, kill thousands of innocent people, but that does not mean I have the right to do so. When it comes to the abyss, you have to use moral judgement as to weither or not you SHOULD do something.

nicely said.
OS recieves a patch and applies it. OS cannot instill and/or enforce moral judgement
BUT
OS can push for rules though they never will.

[Mindspank]

"PKers have the RIGHT to PK people in the PvP abyss so that they CAN be on the leaderboards."

Apparantly there is a sense of perspective and relativity missing here. Smacking down players to be placed on a leaderboard, here comes the perspective part, "In a game" is the same as a serial killer murdering people to claim a spot at the top of the most wanted list "in real life". Perspective. The point behind the statement I mad was to contrast simmilar actions from a digital world to a real world equivilant.

Just because someone can choose to kill people "In reality" for the sole purpose of being public enemy number one does not mean his actions are acceptable.

Just because a player can choose to kill people "in a game" for the sole purpose of being number one on the leaderboards does not mean his actions are acceptable.

When looking at the analogy I provided a certain level of common sense needs to be applied. And then it will make perfect sense to you.

And as far as the guild who warred the player in my example being bullies, thats not being a bully at all. If someone older than your younger brother beats him up, and you reply by beating HIM up, does that make you a bully? No. It makes HIM a victim of cause and effect. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Someone greifs a player in abyss with powerfull friends will get greifed himself.

Sounds as though I hit a nerve with you, looks like I found a PK'er...

[DF001]

I have seen players like DF001 hole themselves in abyss for hours because of something they started by PK'ing random players because they feel they have the right to. Next thing you know a large guild wars his guild, then another guild wars his guild, then ANOTHER guild wars his guild. And he laughed about it the whole time in the abyss when in reality he didnt have the courage to face the consequences of the mess he created.

I don't remember having a guild when I was PKing alot. Unless you're from FairyDust or FairyTail or whatever? I did fight back. In fact, I almost killed a 7x cleric alone.

<3 You

[Mindspank]

I was not commenting on you in particular. I was using a firsthand experience in game as an example of the effects of PK'ing the wrong players.


"In fact, I almost killed a 7x cleric alone.

Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades, and last I checked, Fiesta is neither. All im saying is that players who make their sole purpose in the game to PK, will sooner or later, get a rather large ego check. As a player killer you have to accept the fact that you are, infact, NOT top dog because there is always someone bigger and better out there.

And, this is my opinion on this, and in no way is directed at any one player participating in this thread or otherwise. PK'ing lower leveled players for points is extremely dishonorable and rather pathetic. If you want to earn KP for the leaderboards, thats fine. Do it against someone who will challenge you as a player, not against someone looking to gain levels and have fun. There are PLENTY of players in 7x and 8x abyss that will offer you the challenge you seek for that top spot on the leaderboards. But then again, thats just my opinion.

I firmly stand behind a statement I made on another forum, that if abyss abuse was punished by loss of levels, the Roumen map would never load because of all the 2x and lower players.

[nasgax]

Apparantly there is a sense of perspective and relativity missing here. Smacking down players to be placed on a leaderboard, here comes the perspective part, "In a game" is the same as a serial killer murdering people to claim a spot at the top of the most wanted list "in real life". Perspective. The point behind the statement I mad was to contrast simmilar actions from a digital world to a real world equivilant.

Just because someone can choose to kill people "In reality" for the sole purpose of being public enemy number one does not mean his actions are acceptable.

Just because a player can choose to kill people "in a game" for the sole purpose of being number one on the leaderboards does not mean his actions are acceptable.

When looking at the analogy I provided a certain level of common sense needs to be applied. And then it will make perfect sense to you.

And as far as the guild who warred the player in my example being bullies, thats not being a bully at all. If someone older than your younger brother beats him up, and you reply by beating HIM up, does that make you a bully? No. It makes HIM a victim of cause and effect. For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Someone greifs a player in abyss with powerfull friends will get greifed himself.

Sounds as though I hit a nerve with you, looks like I found a PK'er...


I was not commenting on you in particular. I was using a firsthand experience in game as an example of the effects of PK'ing the wrong players.



Almost only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades, and last I checked, Fiesta is neither. All im saying is that players who make their sole purpose in the game to PK, will sooner or later, get a rather large ego check. As a player killer you have to accept the fact that you are, infact, NOT top dog because there is always someone bigger and better out there.

And, this is my opinion on this, and in no way is directed at any one player participating in this thread or otherwise. PK'ing lower leveled players for points is extremely dishonorable and rather pathetic. If you want to earn KP for the leaderboards, thats fine. Do it against someone who will challenge you as a player, not against someone looking to gain levels and have fun. There are PLENTY of players in 7x and 8x abyss that will offer you the challenge you seek for that top spot on the leaderboards. But then again, thats just my opinion.

I firmly stand behind a statement I made on another forum, that if abyss abuse was punished by loss of levels, the Roumen map would never load because of all the 2x and lower players.




You are assuming that the 'top wanted murderer' is getting all his KP from JUST PK'ing in the pvp abyss. The abyss has a level limit. Therefore it is not considered 'murdering everyone at a bank' cause of the level limit. Maybe if they were more then 20 levels lower, then ya, that would be called unfair or w/e. But its not.

You are also assuming a PKer is always starting it. I always have a player 10 levels lower then me run up and start attacking me. Then I start killing him, then others come into the abyss and see this higher lvl killing this lower level, guess what side they join? So its not always a PKer that starts the fights.

I've used this example in a different forum, I'll use it again, (and it is alot better relation then your 'common sense crap'). A lil dude fights a bigger dude. If the bigger dude wins, everyone is mad at the big person for beating up the lil person. If the lil person wins, then everyone is like 'YAY YOU BEAT SOMEONE BIGGER THEN YOU GOOD JOB!'.

My point is that alot of times PvP is misunderstood alot in the abyss. Also how can you assume I'm a 'PKer' all of a sudden just because I defend both sides? There is also another way to get KP and that is through PvP KQ. And what if there is a PPKer that kills only PKers? There is another example of someone getting misunderstood for being a PKer.

A PKKer sees a lower lvl PKer and kills him. But when other players come in, all they see is this higher level killing a lower level. MOST of the time PKKers come in and defend the lower levels like 90% of the time. So if you wanna assume that everyone that kills a lower level is considered a PKer or in your dumb common sense comparing this to a murder IRL, then something is wrong with you.

[neerk]

OMG yet another Abyss thread, deal with it, Abyss=PVP kill or be killed its as simple as that.

[thedark17]

OMG yet another Abyss thread, deal with it, Abyss=PVP kill or be killed its as simple as that.

Exactly.

PK'ing doesnt mean you have no life, and live under a bridge. PK'ers have lives and maybe even have friends on fiesta. Because everyone plays fiesta differently. Some people are: Talkative,Grind-A-Holics,Quest Savers, PK'ers, PKK'ers Etc.

I think the real issue is, how come people can get away with verbally assaulting a PK'er through whisper/shout/normal "talk"

And about the Abyss's going back to "normal" that would be nice BUT, anyone remeber the people that hit lvl 30,40,50 etc. in abyss with thousands of potions/t3's and just pk'd for days, logging in and out only in abyss?

People may say, hes only lvl 30. But who would be able to PKK a level 3o mage? wouldnt said mage rip through anything getting near him?

The only real solution is to have high-er level friends
[Someone already mentioned this] or PKK help, or just avoid abyss

As someone once said

"Abyss isn't a right, but a Privilege" ~ I hope whoever said that allows me to use it ;3

I PK occasionally but that doesnt mean im a jerk .__. [For whoever cares, people within my level range]

[DF001]

Dude, I stopped PKing like 4 months ago

[thedark17]

Dude, I stopped PKing like 4 months ago

o.o, i dont think i said you did, if you where talking to me x]

[DF001]

It was directed at Mindspank

[thedark17]

It was directed at Mindspank

Kk, sorry thought you meant me Dx

[WolfAngel9414]

This is wavering a little. The pkers I'm talking about are the ones that stay in abyss for days because they want to be the highest on the leaderboard. If they fought people their level, fine and dandy; that's a challenge and it's more fair. They don't. They kill people who are 10 levels below them because they can't face a challenge and they like to see people die. When you say anything to them, vulgar or otherwise, they just laugh and kill someone else. It's disgusting honestly. Whoever thought of the leaderboards must've been a pker themselves. I miss when the abyss didn't even exist. Unless the person expressed they wanted to battle, they should be left alone. I believe there should be a duel option here. Just right click the player and press duel. If they accept, they become a target and you can have at 'em. It'll only be available in certain areas, but at least this way there is more respect for the players around you. "Another abyss thread omg just don't go in" why? Why should I be pulled from an area and kept grinding monsters that give me hardly any exp when I could be in abyss just because someone hit the abyss cap and decided to extend and charm their way up the leaderboard? Fiesta was hateful enough without encouraging that people go kill low levels for 15 minutes of fame.

[Triumph]

Life's tough.

It's survival of the fittest. Bring friends if you do not want to die.

[DF001]

This is wavering a little. The pkers I'm talking about are the ones that stay in abyss for days because they want to be the highest on the leaderboard. If they fought people their level, fine and dandy; that's a challenge and it's more fair. They don't. They kill people who are 10 levels below them because they can't face a challenge and they like to see people die. When you say anything to them, vulgar or otherwise, they just laugh and kill someone else. It's disgusting honestly. Whoever thought of the leaderboards must've been a pker themselves. I miss when the abyss didn't even exist. Unless the person expressed they wanted to battle, they should be left alone. I believe there should be a duel option here. Just right click the player and press duel. If they accept, they become a target and you can have at 'em. It'll only be available in certain areas, but at least this way there is more respect for the players around you. "Another abyss thread omg just don't go in" why? Why should I be pulled from an area and kept grinding monsters that give me hardly any exp when I could be in abyss just because someone hit the abyss cap and decided to extend and charm their way up the leaderboard? Fiesta was hateful enough without encouraging that people go kill low levels for 15 minutes of fame.

Does it really matter? Can't you like, get over it, please..

[Yoruko]

This is a serious question for WolfAngel9414, and others like you. Do you know you do in fact get exp outside the abyss? And further more do you know people can't pk you out there?

I'm sorry I hate pker's as much as the next person but my god you chose to enter, you chose to exp there, I have no sympathy for you. Go level somewhere else if you don't want to deal with pvp. There are maps all over the world that give good exp, and no at almost every level in the game there's a repeatable quest that gives great exp. I've got 2 6x characters and a 5x and I've spent very little time at all in the abysses. If you choose to enter a pvp zone you choose to take the risk being pk'd why is this such a hard concept for everyone to get?

[short-life]

i totally agree with yoruko...
i hate pkers too, i m full end fighter, not suitable for pker,
but i dont die easily, unless u r much more high lvl, lol their r few who pked in that lvl,
or must be a party with cleric n achers n mages...but if u r low lvl u wont get me still ...:D (thats what i love abt my char, ggez i m too strong to die easily:D, at least no-one of my lvl or abt 3 lvl higher has killed me alone yet in abyss... well i died from clleric of my lvl once in FBZ1, ran out of hp stones after 1.25 hr fight lol)...
,

there are lot of palces which gives exp, some place nearly give as much as abyss....
nobody can pked u there.....

just get some buffs, scroll up n go their...dont tell me u never scroll up..well there are lots of repeatable quest too...
if u have sc, use exp bost its more easier.....n bless of teva....well u dont exactly
need it to lvl up...cauz i never used before...its so easy to lvl up till lvl 55...well after that its little slower..thinking abt using it n see how fast i lvl up with it...well right now too busy to get weapon skins but couldnt find one yet....

if u still insists to go on abyss as i said use buffs n scrolls t3 if u can... dont be stinky...
go with party..if a room is already taken search another....if u cant find empty room..first ask them if u can share or not...or come later on...or try different abyss...

u want more exp, u wants greens, u wants more drops, u wants learning scrolls...
every thing has its own price...the price for those is its in a pvp region...

lol if u remove kill point from abyss it'll be the crowdest place in fiesta..n it will be hell easier to lvl up...n like one can capped their char in a month ....
whats a point in playing a game where lvl up is so easy n after that u dont have anything else to do than pk, sell or guild war..it'll be the same thing...

this is a game, every1 has right to enjoy, some enjoy in chatting, some enjoy in doing quest, some enjoy participating in kq, some enjoy just hanging around, well some enjoy in killing low lvl..lol every1 of us are different..lol there are lots of ways doing single things...dont be narrow minded n expand ur ways of doing things....

[islabonita]

"I believe there should be a duel option here. " I agree. Pvp should be by mutual consent.

If you want to pvp and the other person agrees, then fine battle it out. But, I keep seeing players with huge amounts of hp killing others with much lower amounts (1/2 - 1/3), players ganging up on others, and players killing those many levels below. I don't understand how anyone can be proud of beating someone so much weaker than they are.

There should be a no-battle zone around the spawn point. Too many people hang around there and try to kill whoever enters. That is pathetic.

Are the negative feelings created by pk'ing in the abyss good for the Fiesta community?

Btw, I'm a cleric, when I see others pking/bullying others, they go on my "do not buff ever" list.

[Yoruko]

"I believe there should be a duel option here. " I agree. Pvp should be by mutual consent.

If you want to pvp and the other person agrees, then fine battle it out. But, I keep seeing players with huge amounts of hp killing others with much lower amounts (1/2 - 1/3), players ganging up on others, and players killing those many levels below. I don't understand how anyone can be proud of beating someone so much weaker than they are.

There should be a no-battle zone around the spawn point. Too many people hang around there and try to kill whoever enters. That is pathetic.

Are the negative feelings created by pk'ing in the abyss good for the Fiesta community?

Btw, I'm a cleric, when I see others pking/bullying others, they go on my "do not buff ever" list.

See above, did you not choose to enter the abyss, did you not choose to ignore the warning that it is a pvp zone? You can choose to deny them the abiolity to kill you, it's called go somewhere else. At what point are you responsible for the choices you make?

I just can't keep stressing this you chose to enter. But if you want to choose not to pvp in the abyss i say the mobs should give 1/4 the exp and have 1/4 the drops how about that?

[silverrainwolf]

i think that abyss should not be a pvp zone it give good drops and good xp why not just have the battle zones the only pvp zone

[zephyr_wind]

i think that abyss should not be a pvp zone it give good drops and good xp why not just have the battle zones the only pvp zone

That's exactly why it's a pvp area, because you can get good drops, good exp, and the mobs are relatively weaker than their counterparts. The pvp aspect is there to make it so it's not the only place players flock to. Imagine the abyss without pvp and all the amenities it has now. You'd never get a room, or you'd have to share a room with like a million other players. It would be chaos.

I like friendly pvp. I like mutual pvp. I dislike PKing in the abyss but I know it's the risk you take when you enter. What I dislike is the lengths people will go to get that kill point. I was grinding with some guildies and we got attacked by 25% of a small guild on Apoline server. You might think I'm kidding but I kid not. We got spawned back to the entrance and the room was filled with people from that individual guild and it's brother guild. Are you serious? There excuse 'we're tired of people messing with us in the abyss'. So you attack people, who've never laid a hand on any of your guildies? I hate to say that before I decided to help create my own guild I was a member of that said guild. The abyss has become CRAZY. Do you want to know who was heading that guild?

A 7x fighter and 7x almost 8x paladin. Mind you we were in the 6x abyss.

Bring back the old lvl limits so we have a 'chance'.

[WolfAngel9414]

Are the negative feelings created by pk'ing in the abyss good for the Fiesta community?


That's basically the whole reason I posted about this, I was upset at the time I did post it so there are more reasons written down, but the root of it was the constantly declining number of decent people in Fiesta. I was friends with a guy, then he pked my alternate character. I told him who I was after asking him not to kill me, he just said he didn't care, he needed the kill points.

No DF I will not "get over it". I can forget about it if you like? I liked it a whole lot more when abyss didn't exist at all.

[Yoruko]

That's basically the whole reason I posted about this, I was upset at the time I did post it so there are more reasons written down, but the root of it was the constantly declining number of decent people in Fiesta. I was friends with a guy, then he pked my alternate character. I told him who I was after asking him not to kill me, he just said he didn't care, he needed the kill points.

No DF I will not "get over it". I can forget about it if you like? I liked it a whole lot more when abyss didn't exist at all.

You don't have to go to the abyss, what do you not understand about this?

[short-life]

so basically what do u wanna say is...

u need a place where no one attack u until u wanna fight....n on top of it which provides u with a lot of exp,greens,lots of causal drops n some rare drops....where the monsters r weak.....think again n ask urself "Arent i asking too much..?",

as i already posted i hate being pked as much as u hate it...... idk abt ur computer but whenever i enter abyss a message pop in green like system announcement saying its a pvp area, unless u dont understand its meaning or u dont know english, which i think is not the case, u should know by entering the abyss u r accepting the terms that u can attack either player or mobs or vice versa, i.e either mobs n players can attack you...
well u say i dont care n still go further n later when u died u complain...?? what u r asking is sth like asking os to make u immortal, like nth will happen to u in any case...

and for u saying pvp should be done by mutual constent....is entering abyss even after it warns u its pvp zone, n ignoring it saying i dont care abt that notice falls under it...??cauz u already decided what u want after entering it...if not...my understanding of mutual consent might be totally out of way...can u define n elaborate it for me plz...?? in a way that even an idiot like me will understand it...

one more thing there is a pvp place calledd FBZ where u can fight with others w/o loosing exp...if u make abyss without pvp that what is difference between abyss and FBZ or difference between abyss n other place in maps where u can fight mobs? isnt the abyss become a place like other normal place....? then there is no reason for existence of abyss n we better ask os to delete it so the lag in fiesta drops at least by 0.1%

n why r u talking abt there like u cant lvl up at all w/o abyss, i didnt went to abyss till i was lvl 49, infact i didnt even know abyss exist at all.....still i enjoy playing fiesta even i didnt know there was abyss...lol...well i go their now n i m lvl 57...u r here for more time than me...u should be the one telling me that the different resources n ways to play n lvl up...why are u making this small issue infact in my view its not an issue at all...like when there r major issue like bugs,dc,.bin error,error in payment,bugs in mover n so many things, stop complaining abt it, what if a noob read this, he/she will just think that fiesta is all abt abyss n u get killed if u go there....its a complete lie....i didnt play fiesta to go in abyss neither did u, there is a whole new world outside abyss...in fact abyss is just a small part of fiesta which u can ignore as if it didnt exist at all.....

and about pking affecting the fiesta community, there is no community in abyss but there is a brilliant community n most enjoying places that lies outside abyss which is the true fiesta...no player can kill u there... play it n enjoy it..
xD

[Totoros]

But if you want to choose not to pvp in the abyss i say the mobs should give 1/4 the exp and have 1/4 the drops how about that?

I think this is a wonderfull suggestion. Introduce pvp flag while in abyss.
Lets say a player enters abyss and his pvp flag is off, the said player can grind without being able to attack or be attacked by other players. But recieve 1/4 of exp and 1/4 drops.
Once he/she turns pvp flag on exp and drop rate returns to normal, players can attack him/her and cannot turn the flag off before 5-6 hours pass.

I understand there are issues on this suggestion mostly on the drop rate reduction but the important thing is that OS should consider it and pass it to the developer.
With the proper fine tune i think this could be the final answer to the abyss issues which by the way stems from the players not OS. Moreover a new sc item could be introduced which enable players that have pvp flag off to recieve full exp and drop rate, this would work like a charm of hourly effect.

[yourmojo]

This MMO has attracted 10 year olds and soccer moms. Abyss will never be the same.

[Yoruko]

I think this is a wonderfull suggestion. Introduce pvp flag while in abyss.
Lets say a player enters abyss and his pvp flag is off, the said player can grind without being able to be attacked by other players. But recieve 1/4 of exp and 1/4 drops.
Once he/she turns pvp flag on exp and drop rate returns to normal, players can attack him/her and cannot turn the flag off before 5-6 hours pass.

I understand there are issues on this suggestion mostly on the drop rate reduction but the important thing is that OS should consider it and pass it to the developer.
With the proper fine tune i think this could be the final answer to the abyss issues which by the way stems from the players not OS. Moreover a new sc item could be introduced which enable players that have pvp flag off to recieve full exp and drop rate, this would work like a charm of hourly effect.

No they really shouldn't consider this because it already exists. People need to learn, leave the abyss, there are more zones in this game for exp. I say that to make the point of risk vs reward. I'm getting sick of the people acting like the abyss is the only place in the entire game to level. The constantly talk about how they want a choice to pvp and yet it exists. If they put in this exact same suggestion you'd see the same people whining and crying, wah why should I take reduced exp if I don't pvp. They don't care about pvp they just want easy mode exp and they just want to whine and cry when they have to put forth a tiny bit of effort for exp.

Simply put if you don't want to pvp don't go to the abyss, the choice to pvp or not is yours alone to make.

[Totoros]

@Yoruko
i guess you are right. whiners will always be whiners and always find something to cry about.
But if a pvp flag rule is enforced and understood by the players there would be way less drama which i think can destroy relations/friendships (in game) and whole guilds.
Also OS would love to have yet another way to increase its income selling the item i mention on my previous post.

[Yoruko]

@Yoruko
i guess you are right. whiners will always be whiners and always find something to cry about.
But if a pvp flag rule is enforced and understood by the players there would be way less drama which i think can destroy relations/friendships (in game) and whole guilds.
Also OS would love to have yet another way to increase its income selling the item i mention on my previous post.

The problem is you're adding all kinds of extra code that has to be written, debugged, and continually checked with each patch(look how much this last patch screwed up). It's just an extra level of headache to do something for for all practical purposes already exists.

[skysparkle]

abyss is pvp i agree with that increased risk for increased reward even the exp loss i can live with but.....

the lvl limits as they stand are a joke taking lvl 50 abyss for example any player there in the low 50's is there to grind not pvp but the lvl cap for that area being 66 is just ridiculous any player over lvl 60 the exp for them is just not worth it they get much greater rewards in 60 abyss so theres only one reason they are there which is to basically to pick on and harrass lower lvls

as fiesta is for ages 13+ it annoys me the kind of example this is settin for the teens that play, a lvl 66 against a lvl 50 is not a fair fight there is no sportmanship involved it is not a meeting of equals or a test of skill is is plain and simple bullying and the fact that os seems to actively encourage this disgusts me

the lvl limits as they stood before made much more sense and though u had ur sc using bullies at teh top of the lvl limit it was much less of a problem as the fight was usually much fairer and as we all know the kind of ppl who hang out in lower lvl abyss's arnt the kind of ppl who r looking for a fight they may possibly lose

[Yoruko]

as fiesta is for ages 13+ it annoys me the kind of example this is settin for the teens that play, a lvl 66 against a lvl 50 is not a fair fight there is no sportmanship involved it is not a meeting of equals or a test of skill is is plain and simple bullying and the fact that os seems to actively encourage this disgusts me


Considering the game has men running around in thongs, lets you look up a girl's skirt, don't get me started on some of the npc graphics, and have you seen some of the armor in this game? Given all that the ability to pvp anyone who enters the abyss is meaningless.

[skysparkle]

lol imo a 13+ should b able to handle seeing a picture of a guy wearing a thong ^^

what im talking about is basic behaviour and respect allowing blatent bullying in a game i think is a little different to some harmless pixelated outfits :)

allowing someone so many lvls higher in an area where they do not need to b and can kill other players seems to me that os is saying its fine to pick on weaker lower lvl players who have little chance of defending themselves

EDIT pls reread my post i have no problem with pvp in abyss im saying...jeez in not gonna repeat myself re read it

[Yoruko]

Not everythign is fair either, it's not OS responsibility to play referee all day. Most MMOs have pvp servers where the whole world is pvp. I mean really we have explicit sexual images, and an environment where those with a lot of money have a vastly superior advantage no matter what. Really ok they enforce level caps, so then a guild of "bullies" goes in 20 to 1 and it's the same result as if a 70 goes into the 20 abyss. I mean really life isn't fair and no one has to go into an abyss. If you're not worried about the explicit sexual content(and to put it mildly you can see, er, outlines in girl's panties on some outfits) then some voluntary pvp is nothing at all. And it's completely voluntary cause you don't have to enter the abyss.

[rasengan1996]

LOL... that's y i only go into abyss when in an absolute need...
I usually click on the gate npc, then leave that little box with the leaving options there on the screen. when pkers start attacking me, i run to the npc, just getting a bit close to it, and press leave on the litte box. Saved me a lot of exp in my Fiestian life-.-"

[someguy1010]

i got a better answer
Either Quest
or go in with an aoe party ;D

[WolfAngel9414]

abyss is pvp i agree with that increased risk for increased reward even the exp loss i can live with but.....

the lvl limits as they stand are a joke taking lvl 50 abyss for example any player there in the low 50's is there to grind not pvp but the lvl cap for that area being 66 is just ridiculous any player over lvl 60 the exp for them is just not worth it they get much greater rewards in 60 abyss so theres only one reason they are there which is to basically to pick on and harrass lower lvls

as fiesta is for ages 13+ it annoys me the kind of example this is settin for the teens that play, a lvl 66 against a lvl 50 is not a fair fight there is no sportmanship involved it is not a meeting of equals or a test of skill is is plain and simple bullying and the fact that os seems to actively encourage this disgusts me

the lvl limits as they stood before made much more sense and though u had ur sc using bullies at teh top of the lvl limit it was much less of a problem as the fight was usually much fairer and as we all know the kind of ppl who hang out in lower lvl abyss's arnt the kind of ppl who r looking for a fight they may possibly lose


Which was my point entirely. I'm kind of sick of people saying "suck it up." You aren't grasping my point. I'm not saying abyss is the only way to level, it's just a breeding ground for bullies. If you can't get a party and try to solo it someone like the 6x archer that killed me in the middle of the mob is going to make you lose more exp than you gained. It's full of negativity.

If someone would close this thread I would appreciate it. My intention for this thread was smothered in the pkers wrath, as expected. Keep killing low levels and get your fame <3

[akarih]

Sigh, that is the constant problem, which is why I avoid going into abyss. I rather spend more time grinding outside, where I don't get killed by some random bully.

I've gotten a bad experience at the abyss before. Higher-level friends led us to a higher level abyss to get some good exp. We got mobbed, little squishy cleric me died, sure, no problem. When I revived at the entrance, this random dude saw me and killed me in one move. Traumatized lol. I gotta wait for my friends to tell me the area is cleared and safe before I could go in. One party-mate even wanted to take revenge for me. But you know what?

Just let their little black hearts rot. ;)

[Erbian]

As much as I dont like wolf she has a point Why did outspark changed the lvl limits???
they were better the old way x0-x9 its just dumb the way it is now and if u want to pk low lvls go to the free battle zones I do really want the old restrictions

[WolfAngel9414]

Agreed aka... x.x

lol thanks erb <.< ily2.

[Erbian]

lol I knew I get ur attention that way ;P but anyway I wonder what's the reason for this restrictions fiesta its dying for me and I dont find a reason to play the game..I want to but I just cant find why...

[WolfAngel9414]

I know how you feel. People are uber hateful nowadays. It's not really enjoyable.

[akarih]

I guess for us people who joined not too long ago, this game still has its freshness. The PvP annoys me, sure, but it's a constant of many online games. It's enjoyable for me because I have my regular party and we are really ridiculous. XD

[nasgax]

[...] I liked it a whole lot more when abyss didn't exist at all.

Then pretend they aren't there and go level other ways and then you won't have something to be mad about.

[WolfAngel9414]

Doesn't change the fact that pkers still get to feast on low levels.

[nasgax]

Doesn't change the fact that pkers still get to feast on low levels.

1. low levels don't lose much xp
2. os will just say this exactly or pretty close to this "go get teva to avoid xp lost!"

Like I said, it's all about OS making money from the pvp. Dun think I am defending the Pkers cause I am not, My main point is that you can complain all you want, but os won't change it cause they will lose profit from it then.

[WolfAngel9414]

*sigh* That's true... <.< Guess we can't win.

[short-life]

dont know what the old lvl limit was...

i dont pk any i give dam abt who do pk...

doesnt matter to me if they feed on low lvl, or not...

doesnt matter if i m pked for once or hundred time...then most will
happen to me is i'll loose some silver for scrolls n my exp might get zero...?

its happening to me n not by pked but by dc or .bin error n not just once atleast
10 times or more in a day, guess how much exp i m loosing ...still i m lvlinp up 1 lvl
in a day- max two days...and abt the silver i loose on scrolls, its abyss u have lots of
drops, i just pick them as much as i can, n what every time i go t restone or rescroll i sell them to npc n my silver (after selling n buying what i neds) still increases at least by 35 s t
o max 225s ( n the sell item is not any greens weapons or gear just regular drops)

comparing to them this problems is nth, well if the old lvl limit was better i dont mind if
it is bring back...it dosnt change much though t...if i was pker n wanna kill some1 , i''l buy some sc items n scrolls which is sufficient for me to kill
even player that are higher lvl than me...equal lvl or low lvl even more easier.....
the lvl limit may decrease 1 or two people from abyss....n the people u might think higher lvl
than u might me some1 using various extenders too...no one can say abt the lvl of player
just by looking their hp or def n dmg or m.dmg....u can have all if u have sc..

i have my guild, my friends n people whom i regularly pt....some noobs whom i usually help... i log on to fiesta to play with them,chat with them... if possible make more friends...there are times when i just chat n do nth for hours....i enjoy being with them...
there r some really really mean n annoying players too....sometimes they make me so angry that i wanna punch right trhough screen to their face...but then what? just that stupid one person and for 1 stupid reason i dont whip, cauz there is many more thing n people in fiesta that makes me happy so that couple of those reasons is just like a drops of water in sea...

well if u r frustated, or is annoyed then it is because u r still alone with no friends...
make some friends join guilds/ academy talk with them do quest together...lol....
u'll enjoy more n there is nth wrong in fiesta coounity its just thta u hadnt found one where u belong..

[WolfAngel9414]

lol o.o? I don't have friends huh? What are all those people on my FL for? Believe it or not the vast majority of them are too low leveled or too high leveled. Don't make assumptions without proof. I have plenty of friends.

*waits for someone to close this*

[A_geezy]

*sigh*

Just look at the OS front page's list of featured members. This place is no longer "grown-up" compatible; so if you're looking for a respectful, or at least respectable community then I'm sorry to say you'll have to do like many others and look elsewhere. The whole abyss situation was a lame attempt to change this grind-fest hellhouse we know as "Fiesta" into an enjoyable, somewhat easier game. Apparently the whole thing was major fail (too bad really, I kinda liked it), but it was fail because the people here tend to be fail. It is what it is-- you let little kids fight against each other and they will invariably create a pecking order then go for the weakest available targets/victims (however you choose to see yourselves).

Oh well, no fixing this one, either there is open PvP available or there isn't. Guild wars are pointless because there is no prize for winning... just a 3 second notification to your guildies that you did indeed win a war; PvP tournament is pointless because of the stupid level setup less than 1/2 of the community even qualifies to join; FBZ is another pointless place--no rewards, just the chance of getting (literally) trapped in the map.

[short-life]

Believe it or not the vast majority of them are too low leveled or too high leveled.


thats what i mean by not having friends lol, if they r too low lvl the only thing u can do is to help them in quest or lvl up them, they cant help u in either one (in quest or helping u in lvl up),
if they r too high lvl then ...
1. even if they help u wont get much exp
2. they cant always help u cauz they still has friend around their lvl whom
they wanna do quest together n its more fun that way

in that way u are always by urself n alone..

so my suggestion is, try to join academy (if u r below 40) or guild if u r above 40, there are many guilds out there, i just joined one recently too..if u r not sure which guild to join, check the guild hall n still didnt find any guild that meet ur requirements post a new thread saying guild needed n ur requirements, some1 will definetely answer u...


n one more thing

having numbers of names in fl doesnt mean u have many friends well at least its not for the case in majority, who knows n talks with all the people in their fl. well i have reduced my number of names by 75% cauz their were too many names n i hardly know 20 or more of them so... n still i have 27 names on my fl n i usually talk with 15 of them only, idk abt ur case...

what i wanna say is its better to have 1 name in ur fl who talks to u n help u than to have 50 names whom u dont know n who doesnt talk to u

[Yoruko]

dont know what the old lvl limit was...



The original level limits where 9 levels of that labeled on the abyss. So for example the 50 abyss was for levels 50-59. This went both ways, high levels couldn't get into a lower abyss and lower levels couldn't get into a higher abyss. The level limits were partly removed so lower level could get to the next abyss early. For example imagine your friend is 60 and you're 59 you can't party in abysses. Believe me if they brought back the old caps you just have new wave of whining. The 70 abyss is horrible, and 80 isn't exactly wonderful, 70's routinely go into the 60 abyss just to exp.

This stuff doesn't encourage anything, it's just a no rules area where you can fight each other. Go to any game in all existence that has pvp and you have the same kind of whining by the same kind of people. Some people actually enjoy playing a villain and pvp is about the only way they truly can. Some like the challenge of fighting off other players to stake their claim and other don't to each his own. There's a reason pvp is voluntary and all the outrage cause some 13 year old can fight another player is asinine.

[venom-oblivion]

I'd like to lower the cap as well, i mean come on you can get to 36! and be able to go into the 20 abyss ***? Come on =/

-Is not watching this thread.

[kyoslilmonster]

The easiest way to keep people off of you is a t3 speed scroll and stun. :]

[cercia]

As much as I dislike the PvP aspect of the abyss, I understand that it is a necessary evil.

On my two archers, I go in, typically solo, for the money earned from drops. Half the time, I don't mind an occasional death, though most players tend to choose to not kill me when 1/2-2/3s of the room is following me, poisoned ('cause that's a lot of mobs to deal with after I die).

My higher archer is level 60, and wouldn't survive in the 6x abyss solo. Not because of Pkers, but because of the mob damage. She goes to the 5x abyss, carrying a GoC+9 xbow, +9 top, +9 hat, etc. She's downright scary - for that level.

But, in relation to 5x archers, she's only around 10%-20% higher, raw stats-wise. That's it.

Not like the lvl 36ers in the 2x abyss, who are nearly 50%-75% higher in stats or more, capable of using t3s to boost their already unfair advantage.

I want that changed; I want the 2x abyss to be just that - the 2x abyss. Same for the 3x. Same for the 4x. Why? Because the high stat difference from level 20-36 is overpowering. Because at level 43, fighters get Deva, and can terrorize the 3x's with minimal trouble. Because at level 51, archers get Nature's Mist and can terrorize the 4x's with minimal trouble. There's huge unbalancers just under the current edge of the level set.


However, I don't think we'll see a change until we get one major thing: cap raise.

Why?

Because without a BK, its hard to level in the 8x abyss. Its hard to cope with the 8x dungeon. So, the 8xs cried out to go back into the 7x abyss where they could still hit things. OS listened, and decided to make it a canvased idea: all abysses can allow for that level set. And that's exactly what happened: BK's are useable at level 85, which gives the 8x's one level to find a BK while still using the 7x abyss.


Now, as I said, I don't like PKing. I will defend my drops as needed, and that sort of thing is what I expect from the abyss. The rampant spawn killing and blatant disregard for other players that I see in the 2x abyss is what I expect of children and sociopaths.



Considering the game has men running around in thongs, lets you look up a girl's skirt, don't get me started on some of the npc graphics, and have you seen some of the armor in this game?

Why, is sexuality wrong? I don't think so, but leave that out of here. This is not the thread for that.

[Barimen]

... I'd just get rid of the Abyss entirely, myself. Using XP as bait to get targets into a PvP area feels like the wrong way to go for several reasons. It takes advantage of the game's xp gain rate (a game flaw, real or perceived) to provide prey for PvP-oriented players. This appeases one set of players while frustrating another. It also creates an environment that generates metagame conflict, such as harassment and verbal abuse. Additionally, it is perceived to heavily favor cash spenders. While it's only reasonable that people who spend money on the game should have advantage, consider the phrase "If you buy SparkCash, you can easily beat up people who don't" and see how that works for the F2P crowd.

Instead, if you want to increase PvP, give incentives for guild wars or arena fighting. Or make the mobs in there zero-XP, solely existing to make PvP more interesting. If there's a problem with xp gain rate, make a change across the board.

Personally, I'd love to see the Abyss become non-PvP, non-instanced raid areas with fast respawn times and huge bosses on random respawn (sort of like dungeons, but without the hard level caps). If we could turn them into whole-guild raid areas, that would be great. Something that could take 1-2 hours for a handful of parties working together. Have drop rate cut off sharply for people who are too high or low.

I much prefer slow grinds in games. I feel it diminishes the sense of accomplishment and prestige attached to high levels when they're made easier to attain. But setting that aside for this discussion, purposefully putting grinders and PvPers at odds doesn't feel like it will go over well.

[KiSsGod]

They cant they just set the lvls of abyss back to 20~29, 30~39 and so on? I mean, REALLY? Whats the point of having lv5x's in a lv40 abyss? They get like 10 exp =.= . If the lvl requirements of abyss were set back to normal (how they use to be) this 'abyss harashment' want decrease ALOT, and it would make alot of people who want to grind be able to defend themselves ezer. =/ Why dont they just do a freakin poll on it or something because its an easy fix to this problem.

[cercia]

Instead, if you want to increase PvP, give incentives for guild wars or arena fighting. Or make the mobs in there zero-XP, solely existing to make PvP more interesting. If there's a problem with xp gain rate, make a change across the board.

I disagree with the GW aspect, but I agree with everything else. An OS employee said that the mobs were in the abyss to make it harder, but as long as the higher xp and higher drop rates are alongside non-status changing, lower hp/defense mobs, there will always be the allure. Same goes for the fact that certain drops are near exclusive to the abyss.


They cant they just set the lvls of abyss back to 20~29, 30~39 and so on? I mean, REALLY? Whats the point of having lv5x's in a lv40 abyss? They get like 10 exp =.= .

As I said, I send my 60 archer into the 5x abyss for drops. And, somehow, even after at least 10 deaths, she's still near 79%.


If the lvl requirements of abyss were set back to normal (how they use to be) this 'abyss harashment' want decrease ALOT

I think its more the leaderboard and the xp loss that contribute rather than the level caps. But, we can't exactly experiment and find out.

[WolfAngel9414]

Lol I would make a poll but it's obvious these threads are being ignored now because I've asked several times to have it closed.

[poolplayermaster]

i agree whole heartedly on this one it is rediculous, i go into lvl 50 abyss on my 5x fighter to do a little bit of lvling and along comes a 6x archer poisoning and bleeding me and of course able to run and shoot while im trying to go after him and i die of bleeding or poisoning and there goes all that exp i just gained in there plus the money it cost for the stones/scrolls.

[DF001]

i agree whole heartedly on this one it is rediculous, i go into lvl 50 abyss on my 5x fighter to do a little bit of lvling and along comes a 6x archer poisoning and bleeding me and of course able to run and shoot while im trying to go after him and i die of bleeding or poisoning and there goes all that exp i just gained in there plus the money it cost for the stones/scrolls.

Oh no, you died on a PvP zone!

[ChildOfFire]

And by that Fiesta is starting to look ugly like other "free" games. I don't mind them selling some stuff to people to make money, but when they alter the game into a business, it's getting boring. I'd rather play WoW who i know i have to pay to play, but then every change is done for all the players, then play a game that is "free" but you are listened only if you pay.

AGREED!!! But they still don't listen even if you pay..that the worse.


Oh no, you died on a PvP zone!

No need for your sarcasm here, as u already notice this game full of kids. I meet one who only 6 years old. And some not matured as other..(as i remember u are also 13 that u mention on ur post unless u lying there).

[DF001]

No need for your sarcasm here, as u already notice this game full of kids. I meet one who only 6 years old. And some not matured as other..(as i remember u are also 13 that u mention on ur post unless u lying there).

Well, a 6 years old shouldn't be playing this game because it's 13+.

No, I'm not 13, lol.

What does this have to do with abyss though? :s

[KiSsGod]

As I said, I send my 60 archer into the 5x abyss for drops. And, somehow, even after at least 10 deaths, she's still near 79%.


Still decreasing the lvl requirement would make alot of people happy. 5x ppl are meant to grind in their own abyss, lv5X abyss and lv6xs are meant to grind in lv6x abyss (they have the right amount of def/dmg for their abyss). It just makes sense x_X. The lvl requirement change is doing more harm then good.

When i was lv6x i tryed to go to lv50 abyss for drops as well. But i found that i make more money in lv6x abyss from drops from the amount of time i spent there.

[cercia]

Still decreasing the lvl requirement would make alot of people happy. 5x ppl are meant to grind in their own abyss, lv5X abyss and lv6xs are meant to grind in lv6x abyss (they have the right amount of def/dmg for their abyss). It just makes sense x_X. The lvl requirement change is doing more harm then good.

When i was lv6x i tryed to go to lv50 abyss for drops as well. But i found that i make more money in lv6x abyss from drops from the amount of time i spent there.

I tried the 6x abyss on my second archer, and until she gets slightly higher level, the 5x profits are simply higher (or rather, the costs are lower, as I'm not draining t3 hp).

Regardless, yes, the old level limits would be better.

[poolplayermaster]

or how about just taking the pvp part of it off it never used to be pvp used to be you could go in there and all you had to worry about was someone ksing you and at least there could be somethign done about that you SS and report it.

But when someone sits there killing you so much that you can't even make it to the exit except for by getting lucky and you lose a good 40k exp and you try to SS and report it they turn a blind eye and say hey its pvp don't wanna be killed then don't go in there. What kind of service is that.

[Yoruko]

or how about just taking the pvp part of it off it never used to be pvp used to be you could go in there and all you had to worry about was someone ksing you and at least there could be somethign done about that you SS and report it.

But when someone sits there killing you so much that you can't even make it to the exit except for by getting lucky and you lose a good 40k exp and you try to SS and report it they turn a blind eye and say hey its pvp don't wanna be killed then don't go in there. What kind of service is that.

I'm not aware of a time when the abyss was ever non-pvp. If they were to take the pvp away then they need to drastically drop the exp given and the item drop rate.

You have no one to blame but yourself when you get pk'd in the abyss, you don't have to enter, and you don't have to stay. Leave the abyss if you don't want to worry about being pk'd there are plenty of great places in the world to level.

[poolplayermaster]

yeah there was a time where the zones were not pvp enabled and were level restricted to just its specfic levels 5x let only 5x in and that was it.

then they pvp enabled them and then moved them to the battleground area so that they are so easy to get to now

and i have even seen some people who sat there ginding and leveling in an abyss over the level limit so that they stayed in there til they left and were higher then anyone who could come in there and killed everyone when they entered.

[Yoruko]

yeah there was a time where the zones were not pvp enabled and were level restricted to just its specfic levels 5x let only 5x in and that was it.

then they pvp enabled them and then moved them to the battleground area so that they are so easy to get to now

and i have even seen some people who sat there ginding and leveling in an abyss over the level limit so that they stayed in there til they left and were higher then anyone who could come in there and killed everyone when they entered.

Where do you get this from, I was around when the abysses were first added, I remember the old level caps and they were always pvp zones. Originally there wasn't a forest perimeter they were stuck out in other zones but they were always pvp zones.

It doesn't change the fact though that you can level perfectly fine without ever entering an abyss. I rarely go in myself and I've got two characters in the 60's and one in the 50's. It's risk vs reward, the pvp is the increased risk, and the exp and drops are the increased reward.

[WolfAngel9414]

A million years ago the abysses did not have pvp. I forgot about that.The rumor going around was that it was to fight spammers and bots or something, thus the NPC's that roam around in there. I really liked it back then.

[c8itlyn]

Just use deva and roll your face over the keyboard is the key to success : )
Ha ha ha ha ha :)

@ OP - Even if the level restrictions are changed to 20-30, 30-40, etc the Abyss will still be a PvP zone and the Abyss area capped PK players (ie Lv30 in the Lv20-30 Abyss) will still be able to PK the lower levels. The only feasible way to introduce some kind of fairness in there is to disable store items such as charms and extenders while in the Abyss. But, the fact that people buy these things is what keeps Fiesta F2P and the Abyss' are a pretty lucrative way for Outspark to make money so thats not a change I would agree with.
If it bothers you that much just make a full INT mage, +9 godly gears him to the max and go and throw some lights at the PKers. Most of them are fighters so charms and extenders or not they are gonna get pulled into the hole through time that your fire bolt just ripped open. Other than that all I can suggest is stay out and go on about your life as most of us do without moaning on about how we lost exp in a PvP area that we didn't have to go into in the first place.

Sorry but this was soooooo funny I have to quote it a second time :)

Just use deva and roll your face over the keyboard is the key to success : )
Priceless.

[cercia]

@ OP - Even if the level restrictions are changed to 20-30, 30-40, etc the Abyss will still be a PvP zone and the Abyss area capped PK players (ie Lv30 in the Lv20-30 Abyss) will still be able to PK the lower levels.

I said these things regarding that earlier:

"But, in relation to 5x archers, [my lvl 60 archer is] only around 10%-20% higher, raw stats-wise. That's it.

Not like the lvl 36ers in the 2x abyss, who are nearly 50%-75% higher in stats or more, capable of using t3s to boost their already unfair advantage."

And,

"...the high stat difference from level 20-36 is overpowering. ... at level 43, fighters get Deva, and can terrorize the 3x's with minimal trouble. ... at level 51, archers get Nature's Mist and can terrorize the 4x's with minimal trouble. There's huge unbalancers just under the current edge of the level set."

If you revert to the 10 levels difference, then you cut back on the horribly unfair stat boosts, and remove the powerful, PvP redefining abilities from the lower level areas. Imagine a group of 5x characters trying to cope with a level 67 mage in the 5x abyss. I don't care how good the 5xs are, even if the mage is extenderless, those Novas/Infernos are going to be bloody murder.

[yourmojo]

@ OP - Even if the level restrictions are changed to 20-30, 30-40, etc the Abyss will still be a PvP zone and the Abyss area capped PK players (ie Lv30 in the Lv20-30 Abyss) will still be able to PK the lower levels.Yea but the thing is, before any of this level cap was removed people were mostly respectful of eachother. Sure you'd have the odd goofball chasing you around, but generally you could go in and find a party and train for a few hours without worrying about killing anyone. Now, things are just completely out of control and all the old player who used to love training there are forced elsewhere.

TBH, I'd go there if there was no exp boost, and if the items were the same as outside...The monster spawns alone are enough make it desirable....And now, you have to ask yourself, why waste all that server power spawning monsters that nobody is going to bother training on :/

[c8itlyn]

Yea but the thing is, before any of this level cap was removed people were mostly respectful of eachother.

Tbh I really doubt it was the level cap raise that changed the level of respect and don't think changing it back will matter. Imo it was more the kill point leaderboard. Making kill points only accruable through PvP KQ is one solution for this but taking away EXP loss and changing the level that people enter won't make the abyss a more levelling friendly envioronment, but it's not supposed to be levelling friendly, thats kinda the point of it, high risk high reward. For the most part the only people who complain are the ones who go in there to level because it's one of the best places to do so. And the reason it's one of the best places is because the risk is so high which balances out.

I'm really struggling to see why anyone thinks they have valid justification for the abyss being changed. All the threads about it have pretty much the same complaints

~ I didn't want to PvP
Then don't go into a PvP area. There is a warning when you enter ><

~I was attacked for no reason
You were attacked because you were in a PvP zone BY CHOICE which in all fairness suggests to anyone else that you are willing to PvP because you are there.

~They killed me over and over
Because you stayed there or kept going back therefore remaining in a PvP area can and will be construed as your willingness to PvP Leave if you don't want to be killed over and over.

~They were spawn killing me
You have a 3 second idle state when you spawn, during which you can't be attacked. Also you spawn right beside the gate. If you can't react and click a gate that you are right beside to move out of there in 3 seconds then quite frankly you are going to struggle with the game in general as it mainly deals in fractions of seconds when it comes to pretty much anything fighting related and 3 seconds is practically a lifetime.

~They only get 1EXP and no drops
Did anyone point this out to the PKers? No? Why? Oh because they already know..... Oh well they must not be there for the EXP and drops, they must be there for the PVP. Dya think?

Ya know what I think? *puts on flameproof jacket* I think the people who come on the forums and make a thread are just doing it because they couldn't fight back in the abyss when they were PK'd. Just accept it, your not good enough to take the PKers on at PvP. Yes it upsets you because in all likelihood you have just been killed by a 13 year old with an attitude problem and charms to match and it pees you right off. So much so that you have to get straight on a forum and let everyone know. But for sanitys sake just forget about it and go and do something you are good at. I really do think that most people are making these threads because of petty anger with the thought "If that PKer wasnt charmed or if we were closer in level". Well here's the dirty little secret. If you were both the same level and had exactly the same build and equips that PKer would probably still have ripped you a new computer generated derriere. simply because they are better at PvP. Why? Because they spent their time PvPing and getting good at it after the first time they were PK'd instead of complaining about it on the forums. These guys have taken the time to create and fasion thier character for this purpose, why should these guys be made to lose out on a part of Fiesta that they enjoy just because some of us can't take being killed in an area designated for player killing?

[poolplayermaster]

something tells me this guy is probably a pk'er and it so often goes that all those who say deal with it and get over it are the ones who do the pking.

And yeah there was time where all you had to worry about was ks'ers and ks'ers can be dealt with.

[Yoruko]

something tells me this guy is probably a pk'er and it so often goes that all those who say deal with it and get over it are the ones who do the pking.


I'm getting sick of these kinds of comments and frankly they're insulting. This is what turns threads into flame wars, "if you don't agree with me you must be a pker and a jerk." Here's a hint some people disagree and believe that if you don't want to pvp don't go to the pvp zone. Guess what I don't get pk'd, know why, I DON'T GO TO THE ABYSS.

[c8itlyn]

something tells me this guy is probably a pk'er and it so often goes that all those who say deal with it and get over it are the ones who do the pking.

Who? Me? http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc172/sillybuttons44/CharInfo.jpg

Check out my kill points;)

[poolplayermaster]

well so i was wrong but it does hold true aot of times.

I have noticed however theres a difference in respect between servers, i rarely get pk'ed or even attacke don epith but on bijou almsot always.

[c8itlyn]

well so i was wrong but it does hold true aot of times.

I have noticed however theres a difference in respect between servers, i rarely get pk'ed or even attacke don epith but on bijou almsot always.

It's understandable that you thought I was a PKer from my post and views. Fact is I can't compete with the PKers either. I just think it's unfair on them that they get such a hard time from most people for doing something that is provided as in game content. They have the right, as does everyone who plays Fiesta, to partake in and enjoy any available activity within the game and I personally feel that no one has the right to try and deny anyone the full use of any of the games activities. These threads are full of people who want the abyss changed to how it works for them. They are not considering even for an instant that it works fine as it is. They want to change the rules to suit them so they can have an easier time levelling. We don't see PKers coming on the forums asking for less quests or less EXP outside the abyss so that people have to spend more time in the abyss and they have an easier time PKing.

I'm not trying to defend the PKers directly but I do want to defend their right to PK without someone coming along and changing the way things work. People who believe that an already working system should be changed because it doesn't work in their favour are imo infinitely more annoying than any PKer .

[Yoruko]

I'm not trying to defend the PKers directly but I do want to defend their right to PK without someone coming along and changing the way things work. People who believe that an already working system should be changed because it doesn't work in their favour are imo infinitely more annoying than any PKer .

To be honest as much as getting pk'd annoys me I like the pk'ers existence in the game. It adds a little more of a realism factor. You know be careful where you travel lets you run into thieves and marauders. I know it's tricky talking about realism in anything like this but I think most at least understand the concept. I don't necesarily like full blow pvp servers in any of these game, but sometimes some unpleasant things end up adding to the overall enjoyment. Like in this case some people are just bad people and enjoy hurting others etc.

[c8itlyn]

To be honest as much as getting pk'd annoys me I like the pk'ers existence in the game. It adds a little more of a realism factor. You know be careful where you travel lets you run into thieves and marauders. I know it's tricky talking about realism in anything like this but I think most at least understand the concept. I don't necesarily like full blow pvp servers in any of these game, but sometimes some unpleasant things end up adding to the overall enjoyment. Like in this case some people are just bad people and enjoy hurting others etc.

Yeah I'm with you on that. I quite like the realism factor, it adds character and atmosphere to the game. I like to see Fiesta as a sort of Dark Ages England. When everyone believed in magic and dragons, knights were chivalrous, a mans weapon was his loyal companion and (as you nicely put it) "thieves and marauders" wandered the uncertain streets. Heck I'll bet there were even scammers back then too.

Man I was born 800 years too late, I would have loved it back then.

[Shera1]

So...
I'm really fed up with abyss.
Like really fed up.

People kill whoever comes in and then tell you it's not harassment, it's pvp.
I just had a guy tell me that the monsters were put in there to increase pvp not to level. Why have I heard reports that they're going to be changing the exp loss in abyss? Why has the issue been dropped?

I personally think they should put kill points in FBZ and alter the level lock on abyss. I just attempted to go into 5x abyss on my 48 fighter to get to 49, and guess what? A 6x extended, T3'd archer run me into a mob, killed me, and his only excuse was "I don't like your guild." He's been harassing people for ages, why has nothing been done about abyss yet?

The general excuse is: "It's pvp. Don't like it? Leave." I could totally deal with the abyss if we didn't have 6x's in 5x, 4x's in 3x, so on and so forth. It puts them at an advantage, and at the abyss cap, they can do whatever they feel like doing to other people.

You've heard all this before, right? Why does no one care anymore then hm?

I fully expect flames for this one. I imagine the pkers are going to speak up here and defend their right to continuously slaughter lower levels. Come on in, you don't hurt me =]

I fully empathize with you, as do many other players; check here: http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155921 and here, http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=147322

As you can see, the abyss is not a small issue when it comes to violations of ToS and rules therein implied which many players deny, or outright violate. We are asking for changes to be made to these areas. Stay hopeful. :)

[c8itlyn]

Sorry totally off topic but I feel this deserves to be quoted just one more time.... I'm still laughing hard at it even 4 hours after I first read it:D:D:D (hope you don't mind Totoros but I've added it to my siggy)

Just use deva and roll your face over the keyboard is the key to success : )

[yourmojo]

Imo it was more the kill point leaderboard.I didn't realize they had this...For sure that would also cause problems.


Ya know what I think? *puts on flameproof jacket* I think the people who come on the forums and make a thread are just doing it because they couldn't fight back in the abyss when they were PK'd. Just accept it, your not good enough to take the PKers on at PvP. Yes it upsets you because in all likelihood you have just been killed by a 13 year old with an attitude problem and charms to match and it pees you right off. So much so that you have to get straight on a forum and let everyone know. But for sanitys sake just forget about it and go and do something you are good at. I really do think that most people are making these threads because of petty anger with the thought "If that PKer wasnt charmed or if we were closer in level". Well here's the dirty little secret. If you were both the same level and had exactly the same build and equips that PKer would probably still have ripped you a new computer generated derriere. simply because they are better at PvP. Why? Because they spent their time PvPing and getting good at it after the first time they were PK'd instead of complaining about it on the forums. These guys have taken the time to create and fasion thier character for this purpose, why should these guys be made to lose out on a part of Fiesta that they enjoy just because some of us can't take being killed in an area designated for player killing?Not exactly. I think most of the anger comes from the fact that it USED to a good place to train until all this introduction of PvP. If the abyss was like this from the start I certainly wouldn't be complaining, or at least my arguments would be much different. I've never really had a problem with PvP in the abyss. In fact I usually do take everyone's advice and just steer clear of it. I used to go in solo, and just train in some unused room with crappy spawns. Or I'd get a good party that could defend itself.

The thing, it makes absolutely no logical sense to allow higher level players to kill much lower level ones, or for them to be allowed in the lower abyss. I'm not complaining that PvP is allowed in the abyss, I've never had an issue with that...Well maybe once, but I'm a cleric and I just heal myself and run around in circles. lol.

But the real question is, why? Why let people in these places so they can just murder all the defenseless people trying to train? The only logical answer is greed, people get pissed and they either deal with it, buy more sparkcash, or quit the game. If they quit, fine, one less non-paying player. If they deal with it, fine they get less exp training elsewhere, longer playing time.

[c8itlyn]

But the real question is, why? Why let people in these places so they can just murder all the defenseless people trying to train? The only logical answer is greed, people get pissed and they either deal with it, buy more sparkcash, or quit the game. If they quit, fine, one less non-paying player. If they deal with it, fine they get less exp training elsewhere, longer playing time.

I would suggest an equally logical answer is to protect the valuable drops in there. It comes back to risk/reward. At Lv30 you still get drops in the 2X Abyss so a Lv30 PKer not only kills others but can also reap the rewards of T2 learning scrolls and the like, holding a sort of monopoly on the entire Abyss if the level limit is Lv30. But, because the level limit is now Lv36 you can't effectively be a PKer and grind for the booty. There's no risk in the Abyss at the current limit therefore no reward.
If you think about it, it was a pretty shrewd move to up the level limits in the Abyss.

[short-life]

wow, didnt know this post was still here...
dont have much to say though cauz i already post most of my thoughts earlier...

the majority complains abt loosing exp in abyss because of pvp...?...well i hate pkers to, atleast they should pick up some1 who is around their lvl...but if we all think same n want same then there's no fun isnt it... i think its better this way...atleast for me...
comparing to other MMROPG its easy to lvl up in fiesta...well making pvp outside of abyss will definetely make it more easier..like if u have a month vacation, n have money to spend around 50$ n u'll cap ur char in fiesta in a month.....(using exp boost n BoT n other stuffs)......its not fun that way...more to it....suppose there is no pvp in abyss....u all knows the size of abyss...me along with my AoE pt can take a room easily in 60 abyss...think how many players r there who can do the same....n if every1 of them come to abyss to lvl up cauz the rest of game doesnt worth any more..(ur getting more normal drops, more exp, more greens, more rare drops on top of it the mobs r weaker)..
think abt crowdness in abyss....if i m with my AoE pt n is tanking 1 rooms in abyss then if some 1 arrives with other AoE pt there will be definetely be ks, that sucks even more than doing pk or being pked...well it wont be a case to share a room with other AoE pt but u have to share a room with 5 more (even more) AoE pt....the situation will get even worse..

well there are things that u like n things that u dont, but dont forget one thing there are people out there who hate the thing that u like most n like the thing that u hate most, doesnt matter how much u hate abyss or pvp in abyss there are people who love it most n is playing just for it

i personally dont thing pvp in abyss with loss in exp if u die is any problem that os should look up cauz u can prevent it by yourself n there r lots of ways to prevent it,.... and abt making the old lvl limit i dont like it either...cauz if u r lvl 37 u cant enter 40x abyss which means u dont get more exp n so on...right now i can go to any higher lvl abyss n get more exp but if u make it like old time the thing i sacrifice is more than the thing i gain.....or any other suggestion u made till now has sth u loose more than u gain...

i think its time for this thread to be discontinue ...cauz everything is already posted as well as for me personally this thread is meaningless ...

P.S if u dont wanna die in abyss then its simple JUST BE STRONG

[Shera1]

Tbh I really doubt it was the level cap raise that changed the level of respect and don't think changing it back will matter. Imo it was more the kill point leaderboard. Making kill points only accruable through PvP KQ is one solution for this but taking away EXP loss and changing the level that people enter won't make the abyss a more levelling friendly envioronment, but it's not supposed to be levelling friendly, thats kinda the point of it, high risk high reward. For the most part the only people who complain are the ones who go in there to level because it's one of the best places to do so. And the reason it's one of the best places is because the risk is so high which balances out.

I'm really struggling to see why anyone thinks they have valid justification for the abyss being changed. All the threads about it have pretty much the same complaints

~ I didn't want to PvP
Then don't go into a PvP area. There is a warning when you enter ><

~I was attacked for no reason
You were attacked because you were in a PvP zone BY CHOICE which in all fairness suggests to anyone else that you are willing to PvP because you are there.

~They killed me over and over
Because you stayed there or kept going back therefore remaining in a PvP area can and will be construed as your willingness to PvP Leave if you don't want to be killed over and over.

~They were spawn killing me
You have a 3 second idle state when you spawn, during which you can't be attacked. Also you spawn right beside the gate. If you can't react and click a gate that you are right beside to move out of there in 3 seconds then quite frankly you are going to struggle with the game in general as it mainly deals in fractions of seconds when it comes to pretty much anything fighting related and 3 seconds is practically a lifetime.

~They only get 1EXP and no drops
Did anyone point this out to the PKers? No? Why? Oh because they already know..... Oh well they must not be there for the EXP and drops, they must be there for the PVP. Dya think?

Ya know what I think? *puts on flameproof jacket* I think the people who come on the forums and make a thread are just doing it because they couldn't fight back in the abyss when they were PK'd. Just accept it, your not good enough to take the PKers on at PvP. Yes it upsets you because in all likelihood you have just been killed by a 13 year old with an attitude problem and charms to match and it pees you right off. So much so that you have to get straight on a forum and let everyone know. But for sanitys sake just forget about it and go and do something you are good at. I really do think that most people are making these threads because of petty anger with the thought "If that PKer wasnt charmed or if we were closer in level". Well here's the dirty little secret. If you were both the same level and had exactly the same build and equips that PKer would probably still have ripped you a new computer generated derriere. simply because they are better at PvP. Why? Because they spent their time PvPing and getting good at it after the first time they were PK'd instead of complaining about it on the forums. These guys have taken the time to create and fasion thier character for this purpose, why should these guys be made to lose out on a part of Fiesta that they enjoy just because some of us can't take being killed in an area designated for player killing?

Its rather difficult to fight back when a player is already involved with the mob they've gathered. Many of the little items you have so elogantly "~" uh hum, highlighted, are indeed in violation of ToS and have caused great concern by those in the community, not just those who come here and create threads. There are too many players who do not see the point in coming to the forums to speak their mind due to the flaming responses. So, indeed, since you have your "flame proof jaket" on:

We do not create threads to simply hear ourselves whine about being pk'd, but in fact to right a wrong, or bring attention to an exploitation of an existing problem yet addressed by the builders.

Question: If the abyss were made simply for pvp (Pk'ers) then what purpose do the spawns pose; why are the FBZs still in the servers?
_____________________
Answer: No; emphatically no. The areas were made for competition, of course, but not to the degree of the abuses that are taking place at present, and in violation of the ToS. They were also implemented for gathering items needed to upgrade one's skills, that is evident, and to challenge the enemies therein created by the builders.

Some, or many, may find this hard to believe, but many solo players find it difficult to take on a mob of these baddies much less a mob (gang) of pk'ers. In summary, if you enter the abyss in party mode for the 'great' experience of pvp (now pk'g), or to gather items and existing xp, the xp isn't all that 'great' once distributed, nor are the drops (dependent on who's sitting there clicking their pick-up button instead of supporting the party.) Please, I hope you don't stoop to attempt to challenge the way players configure their builds, particularly given that the Fiesta Program does most of the point allocation for them.
______________________
Question: Have you read the ToS?

Answer: It has two specific paragraphs with regard to harrassment (which includes repeated pk'g, spawn killing, etc.), and causing a player to violate ToS (this usually manifests itself in the form of illicit chat language.) However, not many abide this rule either. I am now viewing such language in the form of sexual solicitation in the cities; and now over the shout and new server shout channels.

Please read the links I have provided above in a prior post; you will see the people who are requesting change; not all are speaking out against the practice of pvp, but, instead, the exploited versions of this enablement. They also give some very good feedback on plausable changes that would make everyone happy, not just the few.

As I have said so many times in other posts, there is much difference between challenging a player for a test match of builds, or to settle a difference, rather than using half your guild to mob one player in an area of the abyss, sitting by the portal to spawn kill, or just as bad, taking a higher level pc into a low level abyss simply to slaugher players for the kill points, or as many of us see it, simply for the thrill.

I hardly think this is what the builders had in mind when implementing the pvp option for the abyss.

[rapscal]

I agree with Wolf. And the only reason higher lvled people go to lower lvl abyss and pick on lowbies is because they are WEAK so they do that to make'em feel good about themselves..

Anywayz, Abyss should go back to having level limits and Dungeons

[tenthalas]

ok the only thing I'm going to say about this is that the only thing OS has power over in this situation is the SC items. OnsOnsSoft are the people who sends in the patches for things such as raising the lvl limits for each abyss and the exp loss aspect, Outspark has no power over that, so stop getting on their case when the real people you should be sending messages to is OOS. =/ I wonder when people will let that sink in.

[Shera1]

ok the only thing I'm going to say about this is that the only thing OS has power over in this situation is the SC items. OnsOnsSoft are the people who sends in the patches for things such as raising the lvl limits for each abyss and the exp loss aspect, Outspark has no power over that, so stop getting on their case when the real people you should be sending messages to is OOS. =/ I wonder when people will let that sink in.

I take it you haven't seen this: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155921 :rolleyes:

[tenthalas]

I have seen that, make sure people who make these kind of threads see it as well. I was only making a point, and that thread will probably be sent as suggestions for changes to OnsOnsSoft.

[EriAeris]

they could've liked added a PvP feature to enable PvP or not with the cost of EXP gaining...

[Totoros]

Sorry totally off topic but I feel this deserves to be quoted just one more time.... I'm still laughing hard at it even 4 hours after I first read it:D:D:D (hope you don't mind Totoros but I've added it to my siggy)

No problem at all, though this is not originally mine, there is a thread (not sure in which section) that has the original one written in 1337 language.

Just correct it, i think that a comma is needed after the word "keyboard" and just after that the verb "is" should be changed to the word "it's"

[c8itlyn]

Its rather difficult to fight back when a player is already involved with the mob they've gathered. Many of the little items you have so elogantly "~" uh hum, highlighted, are indeed in violation of ToS

I agree that being attacked while mobbing is annoying but not that its difficult to fight back. A Mage can slow/fear depending on level and run, a Cleric can heal and run (in fact a Cleric could heal and run around a few laps of the Abyss just for fun before exiting), A Fighter can Deva and run and an Archer has NP (the best skill in the game IMO ^^). There are easy ways of avoiding being PK'd, it shouldn't be this much of an issue. I'm not saying the things I ~ highlighted are in line with the ToS, I'm simply pointing out how the claims of ToS violation haven't, for the most part, occurred when these claims are made. Each thing I ~ highlighted can't be a violation of the ToS in the Abyss because when you enter your permission has effectively been granted for people to engage you in PvP, For the entire duration of your stay in the Abyss you are consenting for your character to be engaged in PvP. As for spawn killing, while entirely against the ToS it is rendered impossible by the idle state unless the player takes no action to leave the Abyss in which case your consent is then given to be engaged in PvP because you chose to remain in a PvP area. How are people not getting this?


Question: If the abyss were made simply for pvp (Pk'ers) then what purpose do the spawns pose; why are the FBZs still in the servers?

I'm not saying that the Abyss is entirely for PvP purposes. What I am saying is that PvP is an aspect of the Abyss that no player should be denied the right to participate in. No one is denied the right to go in and farm or grind, probably because that's something everyone can do, but people want to deny the right for PKers to kill whoever and whenever they like even though this aspect has been purposely built in. Grinders want the Abyss changed to make grinding easier, that's the top and bottom of it. Every claim of PK abuse always boils down to the fact the alleged victim was killed when they didn't want to PvP (if they did want to PvP then they wouldn't make a thread would they?) and every answer always boils down to the fact they were in a PvP area.


Please, I hope you don't stoop to attempt to challenge the way players configure their builds, particularly given that the Fiesta Program does most of the point allocation for them.

No I won't be stooping to that but I do defend the fact that people have configured a character that is ideal for the Abyss environment in build, equips etc and any changes would mean that some aspect of their character would most likely be negatively affected. This is unfair on those who have taken the time, spent silvers and rl cash and probably put in a lot of practice to become a PvP player in the Abyss. Anyone has the option to do this. Those that choose not to shouldn't castigate those that do.



Question: Have you read the ToS?

Answer: It has two specific paragraphs with regard to harrassment (which includes repeated pk'g, spawn killing, etc.), and causing a player to violate ToS (this usually manifests itself in the form of illicit chat language.)

Yes I have read the ToS. Any form of construed harassment should be reported via a ticket and the individuals responsible for any harassment will be dealt with by Outspark in an appropriate fashion if it is found that a breach of the ToS has been made. This is a system that works. Why should the Abyss be changed? Also the reaction of any PK victims is entirely their own responsibility. PKers can not be held responsible for anybody's reaction. In fact no person can be held accountable for any unpredictable reaction from another person, that's just a ridiculous notion.


Please read the links I have provided above in a prior post; you will see the people who are requesting change; not all are speaking out against the practice of pvp, but, instead, the exploited versions of this enablement. They also give some very good feedback on plausable changes that would make everyone happy, not just the few.

That's sort of my point. People are suggesting change and I'm speaking out against any would be changes to the Abyss because I like it the way it is. If people are entitled to suggest changes then I'm damn sure that I'm going to put forward my views on why said changes wouldn't work. For example the removal of kill points is a change that I would not like to see this implemented because this would reduce the number of PKers, in turn increase the number of grinders and make it difficult to find a room to grind in. This would then lead to parties battling for rooms and the losing party to make a thread about how they were attacked in the abyss while grinding. This situation would be a lot worse than a handful of PKers.


taking a higher level pc into a low level abyss simply to slaugher players for the kill points, or as many of us see it, simply for the thrill.

You might not like it but there's essentially nothing wrong with it. The kill points are there to be gained by killing other players. PvP is there for the thrill.

I appreciate that a lot of people feel that change in the Abyss is necessary, perhaps it is, but I for one have not found any arguments convincing enough to warrant any changes. However I also wouldn't like to see the Abyss changed in favour of PKing either. It doesn't get overcrowded and the drops and EXP are worth the current risk. I'm not closed minded though, if someone suggests a change that I agree with I will say so and get on board but at the minute I'm happy with the Abyss the way it is and see nothing wrong with that view.

[WolfAngel9414]

Gaining the items and experience is, unfortunately, obsolete if you can't get past the first room because a guy possibly 16 levels above you(given you don't enter one abyss until you reach the minimum level it was intended for) won't let you do anything.

A guy that is possibly 9 or 10 levels above you (given the same standards with a 30-40, etc level limit) is easier to deal with because he doesn't have a much higher stat/skill power. He can't stay in there forever, stones run out, so the moment he leaves the biggest problem in that abyss is gone.

KP's in abyss is encouraging others to cap out an abyss and reap the 'rewards' of slaughtering people 10 or even 20 levels below them.

Why is that their right? Can't they fight people their level and still maintain that "thrill"? Or is the "thrill" you're speaking of the "thrill" of knowing you can kill a level 50 at level 66?

[c8itlyn]

Why is that their right? Can't they fight people their level and still maintain that "thrill"? Or is the "thrill" you're speaking of the "thrill" of knowing you can kill a level 50 at level 66?

It's not just their right. It's yours and mine and everyone else's right who plays Fiesta. We can choose to do exactly the same if we so desire. And the thrill I speak of applies generally to any aspect of Fiesta. I get a thrill when I'm running alongside a kiting archer healing him/her when we have way more mobs than we should be able to handle. And an even bigger thrill when the last of those mobs dies because we done everything right. And an even bigger thrill when the archer sets off for another mob straight away (I've said it before and I'll say it again.... Archers are crazy:D gotta love 'em).

Anyhoo that's my personal thrill and if someone came on a forum making complaints and demanding changes to the way an Archer/Cleric duo works I would be uber angry. These guys get their thrills however they like, I'm not one to judge how they do it, whether its PKing 20 levels below themselves or simply from PvP the fact still remains THEY ARE ENTITLED TO DO IT and requesting any changes to this isn't fair on them. You and everyone else has the option to do this. The difference is you choose not to do it and the PKers choose to do it. Why should an option that's open to everyone be subject to change just because some people choose not to participate? Fair enough harassment goes on and there are probably breeches of the ToS from time to time but in these cases surely the individual is at fault and not the system/environment they are in. Again, why change the Abyss just because people are getting killed in a PvP area?

:mad:This is getting tedious saying the same thing over and over and I still can't understand how people don't get this. ABYSS = PvP. Don't go to a PvP area and then whine about it when you have been killed, you don't have the right, you gave that up when you entered a PvP area. If people feel that they have been subject to harassment in the Abyss or if they think have seen someone commit an act against the ToS then report it via a ticket. Don't make a thread about it. You were in a PvP area what did you expect? A foam bath and a foot massage?

Look I'm not saying that I oppose people making suggestions for changes to the Abyss. What I am saying is making a thread is not the correct manner of reporting any grievances you may have experienced while in there. Submit a ticket. Also lordalden has started a suggestions thread here http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155921 so if someone has changes they feel may be beneficial to the game with regards to the abyss, or indeed any aspect of Fiesta, submit them there.

Now there is a thread for suggestions and there is a way to report any in game issues there shouldn't be a need for any more threads about the abyss. Everyone has the proper mediums to relay there concerns/suggestions through.

[Miazma]

:mad:This is getting tedious saying the same thing over and over and I still can't understand how people don't get this. ABYSS = PvP. Don't go to a PvP area and then whine about it when you have been killed, you don't have the right, you gave that up when you entered a PvP area. If people feel that they have been subject to harassment in the Abyss or if they think have seen someone commit an act against the ToS then report it via a ticket. Don't make a thread about it. You were in a PvP area what did you expect? A foam bath and a foot massage?

You mean if I go into Abyss I wont get a foam bath and a foot massage :(

Sorry to say you can type till your hands go blue and you wont make some people understand what PvP is.

[KiSsGod]

I agree with Wolf. And the only reason higher lvled people go to lower lvl abyss and pick on lowbies is because they are WEAK so they do that to make'em feel good about themselves..

Anywayz, Abyss should go back to having level limits and Dungeons

Omg lmao, am i the only one who think this is just like high school bullying? I cant believe game masters cant say this is harrassment/abuse DX.

[WolfAngel9414]

As I've said before, it's not so much the pvp that bothers me, it's the fact that abyss went from no pvp -> 30-40, etc (which was fine, we at least had a better chance -> 30-46 <- ur gonna die : ) why? Why couldn't they just leave it the way it was? <.<

You aren't trying to understand my point of view so I'm not going to bother with yours. The way I see it, it's an excuse for people to bully others and feel good about themselves. It doesn't generate anything positive unless the other player agrees and it ends up as just a friendly duel.

[darthnish]

k so who here from apoline has been killed by a fighter called Aruwen in the 40 abyss? Well cause i stick to the old lvl caps and i'm still lvl 49. Just showing you guys that i aint picking in nubs.

[c8itlyn]

You aren't trying to understand my point of view so I'm not going to bother with yours. The way I see it, it's an excuse for people to bully others and feel good about themselves. It doesn't generate anything positive unless the other player agrees and it ends up as just a friendly duel.

I do understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it and I don't have to. Please don't say things like that about me, you are painting me in a bad light and I don't deserve that. I would never dream of saying to someone "I'm not going to bother with your views" no matter how much I disagreed with them. This is , in case you didn't notice, a forum where people express their opinions and that is what I'm doing. If you feel that I'm in the wrong because we don't share the same view then I don't see much point in participating in your thread any longer.

[short-life]

As I've said before, it's not so much the pvp that bothers me, it's the fact that abyss went from no pvp -> 30-40, etc (which was fine, we at least had a better chance -> 30-46 <- ur gonna die : ) why? Why couldn't they just leave it the way it was? <.<



i hate pkers who pked on much low lvl char....

still i wanna say this

old cap has its limit, neither higher lvl can go to lower lvl abyss or its oppostie
neither lower lvl can go to heigher lvl abyss....give me 1 dam good reason to make the lvl requirement as old...dont say just because 100 pkers(max at same time which never has happened yet or will be in be future) of higher lvl comes to pk in lower lvl doesnt mean any1 can ask to make it as old so that 1000s of other low lvl char will loose their right to go to higher lvl abyss n get more exp, greens,drops....

its simple in abyss if u dont wanna pked then dont go...no ones forcing u....dont be jealous of others n say they get this or that ... cauz they r going through same problems n is still willing to take risk.....if u dont have guts to stand up against them stop whipping n do quest n lvl up....

i like the way it is now, well i go to abyss frequently n out of 1/100 odds someone try to pk me
not only in my main but in my alt too who regularly go to 20,30,40 or 50 abyss...n so does the academic member of my guild....dont make a small problem like hell......if u still think some1 is going out of boundary...contact CSR...stop posting in this threads...this thread is going way more of its path now that it was originally created....just because u were pked for couple of times doesnt mean the whole system should be changed....if its more than that there is a place to complain do it in right place....(u cant eat pizza when u r thirsty u need to get drinks)

[short-life]

well the reason i m posting it in different threads is its somewhat off topic n as well on topic.....

i found this thread which is anti pker (also known as Pkker) well u still have complains n is angry enough to ask OS to make the abyss to old lvl limit...visti the thread by the below link..there is list of Pkker who r willing to help u.......contact them....( i hadnt done this before neither will i even ever i get pked because its the risk that I, alone I without anyone forcing me choosed to go to abyss n couples of pkers cant stop me from going to abyss or lvlin up)
the thread below is different to this thread so if u r going to post anything there or use that thread for ur purpose please read it first...

http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=137016

[Cloud-Strife1984]

Don't enter abyss if you don't want to die, it's as simple as that.

Fiesta is a "Asia Grinder" = grinding = abyss

[Yoruko]

Fiesta is a "Asia Grinder" = grinding = abyss

Funny I've managed to level just fine without the abyss.

[WolfAngel9414]

This thread is still going? <.<

[A_geezy]

This thread is still going? <.<


Yesh! long live the voice of the whiners :p

<3 Laz

[WolfAngel9414]

Oh I'm sorry o.o I thought the community had a voice. Excuse me. I'll back down and let the flamers take their rightful place as the dominant portion of this population :)

[A_geezy]

Yes, it's better to surrender and take it, or even join us- give up your archaic "reasoning," and "logic," and especially that diabolical "common sense."

[WolfAngel9414]

Barbaric behavior FTW.

[finalbattle]

Yay it's still going so the GM's better do something xD and yep i agree totaly with the exp losing going away as well as the kill points goin away in abyss. The level limit i like :) coz friend's at different levels can help grind :).

[dcsoup]

I'm sad to say this but DF100 has a point.......T.T

I hate that part of the abyss to....

It blows my mind that u PKers think that's something to brag about... "OOH, I killed a lowbie!!" Well, duh, you dim witted idiot. He's lower lvl than u. Its like you get your rocks off being a bully. That's all it is. Anyone can squash an ant with their finger, that's nothing to brag about, it takes no skill.

This is why, to me, PKers have been, and probably always will be the true NOOBS of online gaming. When you intentionally take away someone else's enjoyment in a game, you can't call yourself a gamer. The gamer communtiy doesn't want you. You suck at life. End Point. And just like you tell all of us lowbies, just deal with it, get out of the BZ or Abyss...

If you don't like what I have to say, just deal with it.. get out.

[WolfAngel9414]

o.o necro, but I like this necro.

[shadowballs]

Higher Level's in abyss
- Plevel others
- Farm/solo
- And yes.. Pking :)
Abyss = Good exp but a risk, OS can't just make this game easy as pie. (Awy, no pie)

And EVERYONE should know we are humans, humans aren't perfect. Some are smarter then others while some aren't, If your the smart one don't sink to stupid people levels. We live in an imperfect world, If there was no such thing as "pking" then there shouldn't be any war or fights that sadly happens in the world.

And KARMA will get those pkers :)

[drigr_x]

I still never understood why people resort to Abyss for the sole purpose of killing each other. I always try to arange FBZ fights instead (I think this should be allowed to stay open as well)