Is Fiesta dying?

[krazyboi]

I've been playing fiesta for a couple of years now, and always had fun playing.
Now though, every time i log on, i get this drab feeling, like something is dying and i can't do anything to stop it. I don't know of anyone else is feeling this or it's just me.

Should i quit?

[WolfAngel9414]

I get the same feeling... Not sure why. I guess I miss the old days.

[GM_Pilkysico]

Yeah it's you because there's huge updates coming next month.

[krazyboi]

lol typical GM answer....

ur not a very helpful GM @_@... just listen to how bluntly u said that...

man where are kaalan and dakkon when u need them...

[HassanChop]

Yeah it's you because there's huge updates coming next month.

Dam how rude hahah.

[WolfAngel9414]

RIP Steam :(

[BaronSkippy]

I've been enjoying fiesta lately, but maybe cause I've finally gotten into the 80's even thought I have a huge D/C problem

[Rzpect]

lol typical GM answer....

ur not a very helpful GM @_@... just listen to how bluntly u said that...

man where are kaalan and dakkon when u need them...

yea x_x
i don't like a leader of the game to be speaking in a sarcasm voice...
be serious, and not sarcasm to your customers.

[Adrichiang]

I've been playing fiesta for a couple of years now, and always had fun playing.
Now though, every time i log on, i get this drab feeling, like something is dying and i can't do anything to stop it. I don't know of anyone else is feeling this or it's just me.

Should i quit?

Well, I may recommend the OP to make a list of things you liked about Fiesta a couple of years ago, then make a list of things you are having issues with about Fiesta currently. Then compare the pros/cons of Fiesta to you.

The more specific your list, the more likely you may find others with a common ground that either enjoys or dislikes the same things you made on your list. Sometimes I find if your comments are too general, it leads others to make assumptions which does not coincide with your intent.

If a lot of people replies and agrees with you lists, then you would find others that feels the same way as you. If there are no responses, then most likely others disagree with your lists and your opinion is in the minority.

Should you quit, its ultimately a decision that's up to you. if you still can not decide on staying or leaving, just flip a coin 50/50 either way.

[lenore_lurks]

If you are feeling no love, no enjoyment, no challenge, no care, then quit.

Personally, I think things are just changing, you could even say evolving after looking at the new super-sized mobs. lol. People come and go, I've lost some great friends but gained some awesome ones too while playing this game, and I still love it. One of the main reasons I stay is because of my mates, but I also want to see how far I can push my character.

We're about to have a whole new lot of content open up to us, so maybe hang about and see what that brings. If it doesn't change that dead feeling for you, then maybe it's time for you to move on... you can always stay in contact with your friends via msn and social networking sites.

[Miazma]

Yeah it's you because there's huge updates coming next month.

THANKS Silky :D :D OK this time you really did get me :D :D


lol typical GM answer....

ur not a very helpful GM @_@... just listen to how bluntly u said that...

man where are kaalan and dakkon when u need them...

K I am not a big GM kisseruppererr but I am getting so tired of the nasty comments all the time. YOU chose to read Silky's reply as blunt and unhelpful, I chose to read it as he was saying *keep your spirits up there is new stuff coming*, it is all about interpretation.

We cried like a pack of school kids cos we wanted MORE interaction with GM's on the foyers, we get it, and look how they are treated. Tired of playing the game, cant find anything to keep your interest, move on to the next game.

[Mindspank]

Ive been playing since Dec 07, yeah alots changed. Thats how things work. If they change in a way you dont like, then you have the power to change that by leaving. I would strongly encourage you, as well as any player, to take a break every once in a while. Play something else, start reading books, if your in school, get involved in your studies. Distract yourself from fiesta untill the new content is added, then come back. Not only will you have a fresh mindset, but you will have a fresh perspective on the game as well due to the added content. If after trying this you still feel the games lackluster, leave for a more extended duration. If that fails to jumpstart your love for the game, leave for good.

Its always a waste to see people quit completely the first time they decide the games beginning to lose its shine.

[irix33]

I am going to take up Ah Rin's advice, here goes....

Push factors:

1. Tons of unresolved bugs, some as old as since i started playing a year ago...
2. DC and .bin errors FTW
3. More rude players in game constantly breaking rules and TOS with no consequences
4. OS stuff getting more distant and withdrawn from the players
5. Hellgait weapons, the bleak future (when lvl cap is raised) where 1 guild with the most hellgait weapons will rule Isya. PvP, Abyss and wars will be dominated by them. The guild could actually own the abyss by spawn killing other players and let their own guildlies in to farm the abyss. No one will dare to war them. It is already happening. A certain guild is warring other guilds just to prevent other guilds from raiding helga. But I digress...
6. Fiesta is killing my laptop.. >.>
7. No more kill a boss event and other fun events that doesn't crash the servers <.<

Pull Factor:

1. A handful of friends in game
2. Lots of unused premium items XD

Well, the deciding factor for me will be how the game evolve after this huge update next month. If the gameplay deteriorates due to more bugs, if the players are getting nastier, if 1 guild dominates abyss, PvP, wars, HT....then it's time for me to go....

Just my 2 cents worth....

[Mindspank]

"If the gameplay deteriorates due to more bugs, if the players are getting nastier, if 1 guild dominates abyss, PvP, wars, HT....then it's time for me to go....


Those are fairly unrealistic expectations of other people. Its programmed into a humans subconscious to be the dominant species. Its called survival of the fittest. In this digital age, this survival instinct, long since repressed due to our ability over other animals to apply reason and logic, is going to manifest itself in other ways. If a guild of people are able to dominate, they are going to. If a player can PK you in abyss, he will. As a player, and a rational human being, you have the option to opt out and remove yourself from these situations. It sounds to me like you are tailoring your fiesta experience around other players. Other players get sucked into situations that expose you to these elements and therefor YOU are exposed. Dont let this happen.

Bugs, guilds warring and being petty, its all just subjective. Remove yourself from these elements and you will have a more positive playing experience. But then again, it sounds to me like your mind has already been made up, which is unfortunate.

[GSL2007]

Most if not all of the old player had already quit because fiesta was badly ruined beyond savage:rolleyes:

[Mindspank]

Well right their your statement is flawed because I know alot of older players, as well as being one of the older active players myself. The game has not been ruined beyond salvage. Ive played KFiesta while I was in korea, and while Fiesta has a ways to go before it gets to where KFiesta is, you have to take into account that Outsparks vision of Fiesta's direction is not the same as OnsOn Softs vision of KFiesta. There are going to be differences because of the playerbase. Korean players are more fanatical than american players, which means they have the tenacity to grind for excessive hours. Im getting sidetracked, anyways.

The game is a work in progress. You cannot expect console game finish quality on an MMO, especially one thats being localized on the fly like Fiesta. To make such a statement, I feel, is a grevious error in judgement.

[irix33]

Those are fairly unrealistic expectations of other people. Its programmed into a humans subconscious to be the dominant species. Its called survival of the fittest. In this digital age, this survival instinct, long since repressed due to our ability over other animals to apply reason and logic, is going to manifest itself in other ways. If a guild of people are able to dominate, they are going to. If a player can PK you in abyss, he will. As a player, and a rational human being, you have the option to opt out and remove yourself from these situations. It sounds to me like you are tailoring your fiesta experience around other players. Other players get sucked into situations that expose you to these elements and therefor YOU are exposed. Dont let this happen.

Bugs, guilds warring and being petty, its all just subjective. Remove yourself from these elements and you will have a more positive playing experience. But then again, it sounds to me like your mind has already been made up, which is unfortunate.

Well it's my fault for assuming people in general are civilize, have basic decency and manners.

This is a social game, of course my experience will be affected by other players. I can't block out every vulgarity shouted in towns, stop every player from Ksing me, filter out players insulting each other in KQs, ban all leechers. I have tried, but some still slip through my 'wall of defense':p

My mind is not made up, that's why I am still playing. I solo alot and try to enjoy the game as what it is, removing myself from all this BS and drama. But the frequent Dc and .bin errors recently and the numerous bugs are not making it easy for me. :D

[Mindspank]

This is true. It makes it hard for even me to enjoy the game and I beta tested alot of other games so im used to crashes and unexplained errors. All you can do is just wait for it to get fixed and try to enjoy what you can.

I went through a spell where I had alot of doubt in the community of Fiesta as well so I understand where your coming from. But like alot of the people at the other messageboard I frequent put it Not everyone is bad and the server isnt full of dolts. Your just going through a rough spot. Sit tight and ride it out and im sure youll find a nice influx of newer but more mature players, or maybe even some older ones will return.

[KateeHellen]

People on Titanic also think that she will never ever sink... and how her maiden voyage end we all known. :rolleyes:
FIESTANIC IS sinking but many still believe that ultimate doom will never ever happend, but he will soon or later...

[Mindspank]

Everything is "sinking" in life. We begin to die the second we take our first breath, but yet you believe your alive? You believe your "living" your life? Its all about perspective, and enjoying what you have while you have it. I enjoy to play Fiesta, and will continue to do so untill outspark closes their servers. Nobody is denying that the "ultimate doom" you speak off is going to happen, but chances are that wont happen for quite some time, so why even speak of it like its around the corner. Ill worry about it when I get an email from outspark saying that they are shutting down the fiesta servers for good.

The point of this thread was to not point out the inherient flaws of fiesta but to debate on weither or not Fiesta is worth quitting for this player. Alot of players have been shy'd away from fiesta because of doomsayers. People who only focus on the negative and transfer those feelings to other, newer, more impressionable players. Let people formulate their own opinions about weither or not fiesta is worth playing.

[KateeHellen]

Everything is "sinking" in life. We begin to die the second we take our first breath, but yet you believe your alive? You believe your "living" your life? Its all about perspective, and enjoying what you have while you have it. I enjoy to play Fiesta, and will continue to do so untill outspark closes their servers. Nobody is denying that the "ultimate doom" you speak off is going to happen, but chances are that wont happen for quite some time, so why even speak of it like its around the corner. Ill worry about it when I get an email from outspark saying that they are shutting down the fiesta servers for good.

The point of this thread was to not point out the inherient flaws of fiesta but to debate on weither or not Fiesta is worth quitting for this player. Alot of players have been shy'd away from fiesta because of doomsayers. People who only focus on the negative and transfer those feelings to other, newer, more impressionable players. Let people formulate their own opinions about weither or not fiesta is worth playing.

Trust me, i have so many efortless "battles" whit OS staff between summer 2008 and December 2008 warning them that situation is getting worse, posted my concerns.
But all i recive from staff in reply was "We will talk if discussion will remain civilized" what was in other words "NO CRITIC IS ALLOWED".
I known that any staff member will disagree whit me saying that this is not what they have in mind, but i can read between words.
Main reason for my permanent quiting of Fiesta was unfamous Holliday event and way witch he was directed by staff.
If this event have not take place maybe i will be still playing but connect that very special time of the year whit Fiesta so called "pvp" was a drop witch fill a barrel of frustration.
Have you ever ask yourself WHY there is so many "Prophets of Fiesta Doom" post and posters?, because there are people witch are able to see in what way Fiesta is moving and they try to get people and staff attention but history proves that prophets witch put in spotlight any negativites are "unwelcomed" in any type of community.
But like i pointed early, Fiesta is no longer subject of my concern and latest forum events involved me and my brother only confirm for me that it was time to leave.
To end i really wish Fiesta all best but i am realist also and i known that to save Fiesta from ultimate doom is required rather VERY harsh changes but i known also that they will never happend unless staff take off thier businessman hats and start to wear again Game Admistrators and Moderators hats.
Good Luck Fiesta.

[Mindspank]

It is always sad to see a player with a negative experience quit something they at one point enjoyed. Im sorry you feel this way. I feel that something should be given the max ammount of chances before a decision is made to quit and pursue other interests.

[MartianMage]

It's dying for me personally. Only reason I played fiesta is because my friends invited me to play and now all them quit already. Nowadays I only login to kill time. =/

[ximpurityx]

It's not just you krazy, los of people are leaving because none of the issues with the game are being fixed, instead the focus is on the cash shop and adding new items to buy instead of concentrating on bug fixes and making the game run smoothly. Also the poor decisions made with all the changes in game, the abyss, and so on that are driving people away more than making money off cs items so people can stay alive in there but they dont relize it. They should have made sure the game was completely stable before the cap raise because it's a sure thing that things are going to be 10x worse once that happens... how can you do such major expansions when there are so many problems with whats here already? New maps would be great, but OS is jumping ahead of themselves on that one. Not to mention all the kids that come on the game and start trouble with their mouths everywhere they go, i can't come on this game without someone causing problems, ksing... whatever...almost not worth it anymore. I could go on with more, but really whats the point... it comes down to things ARE getting worse, people are leaving, and more WILL leave if they dont start listening to the players and focusing on them instead of the money for a while.

[andrey1990]

Fiesta ish not dying :]

[Ciocolajs]

Friend of yours. They will be back. I swear. When cap raise come.. WIll be full again ;X!!! woot.

[GM_Pilkysico]

Simplicity.

Play the game because YOU enjoy it.

Stay in the game because of YOUR friends.

If YOU don't feel that both of the above are not good enough to keep playing, then yes by all means go ahead and move on.

It is YOUR choice.

Moving forward => there's TONS of stuff that Outspark has planned for Fiesta in the next coming months. HUGE HUGE stuff! Don't look into the past of how things were. Anticipate the future of what things are to come!

[t3nchi]

Simplicity.



Moving forward => there's TONS of stuff that Outspark has planned for Fiesta in the next coming months. HUGE HUGE stuff! Don't look into the past of how things were. Anticipate the future of what things are to come!

THATS RIGHT!! now hurry and raise capp ... >_> its cause their bored silky D: you must do something about this boredem!! D:< plus i wana use my hellgait >.<

[krazyboi]

:O i went o sleep and 10 hours later, 3 pages of responses @_@

guess i'll stay until the new updates :P then it just depends on how many bugs it will bring D:.

hopefully, it's less than 1

[laady]

Maybe it's because you've been playing for so long. I've only been playing since November of last year so I'm still having fun but I imagine Fiesta would feel kinda boring after a while. And naturally, things are different from how they probably were when you started playing and members have probably come and gone. Even though people say it's stupid to take games seriously, you do become emotionally attached, I think, and with games like this it's always difficult to simultaneously pull in new players while holding onto older ones.

[Sparkleh]

I had the same feeling for a long time, mostly because all my friends I used to play with are gone. I'm still here because I want to see new upadate, and finaly new locations (so sick of Uruga & BR).

[TrailDawG]

The biggest reason for people quitting in Apoline is not the bugs, but the community itself. I could go on and on about why it is so bad, but I'm gonna sum it up as short as I can.

1) Two guilds have caused the MOST drama and issues on this game, turning past friends into enemies, mutilating the once peaceful and friendly community we once had with anger and greed. Yes thats right, but if I daresay mention the two guild names I am "blacklisting" them. We all know what two guilds I'm talking about though. One camps the helga spawn and grabs all the weapons for themselves, the other dominates the pvp areas in large teams (there's no such thing as a 1v1 anymore with these guys). Be careful if you speak out against either guild because as the past shows us, there's a good chance you'll get spawn killed in abyss or even hacked. Threats are to be expected as well.

2) Speaking of hackers, it is absolutely ridiculous the number of hackers and scammers in Apoline. If you have ANYTHING valuable on your account, make sure you have a well encrypted password to protect it. I can only guess how many people have tried to hack me... It seems like everyday you hear about another person getting hacked (by hacked I mean their password was cracked fyi).

3) Drama Llamas. Not much I can say here about it. Apoline is full of them though. Don't know what they are? It's simple, its the people that are sooo bored with the game (either because they are too lazy to level or rushed to cap) that they cause drama intentionally either consciously or subconsciously to entertain themselves. Why? Because drama makes things interesting that's why, but at the same time it really can ruin the game for the victims.

I'm done ranting now. Only reason I play on Apoline still is because I sadly cant xfer all the stuff I've worked for to another server, though I really wish I could. It would be too much time/work/energy to gain all that I have so far.

EASY way for the GM's to end this problem though. Seeing most of the hackers/drama llamas/scammers are in the SAME couple of guilds, the obvious solution would be to disband the guilds. Seeing how the GM's have acted in the past on issues however, this seems a bit too aggressive of action for their taste.

An alternative would be to actually start banning the violators of the ToS. I know, a crazy thought right? ;)

And its annoying that GMs pick their favorite players and take their word over others. Anyways I'm done ranting now. :p

[GM_Pilkysico]

THATS RIGHT!! now hurry and raise capp ... >_> its cause their bored silky D: you must do something about this boredem!! D:< plus i wana use my hellgait >.<

I think out of everyone I can understand the most. Me being "behind the scenes" getting things for you guys is very difficult sometimes and also disappointing sometimes.

We're all impatient people (especially me). But Outspark tries to not sacrifice quality when pushing out patches/content (now). This is why we update Semi-monthly.

If you can adjust your calendar's to figure out when we're going to patch, you'll be in turkey heaven.

[The-Great-Paladin]

urm, Fiesta is growing... how can something that is growing be dieing? O.o

[devilia]

I had the same feeling for a long time, mostly because all my friends I used to play with are gone. I'm still here because I want to see new upadate, and finaly new locations (so sick of Uruga & BR).


same:).... until I created my archer (*smirks*)

[krazyboi]

urm, Fiesta is growing... how can something that is growing be dieing? O.o

It's kind of like a virus.
when the game grows, the virus grows more and now, the virus is too big to contain and the game is dying because of it.

[Dthugtherealist]

I don't know I keep coming bak for my friends and to lvl and have fun cuz Im so dang behind its not funny>,< I wanna just cap make money for godly as hell gears and go on helga raids right now >;D can't tho cuz IM saving for 76 and I just lvled yesterday >< Surely as hell tho I will conquer:D I been playing fiesta for a long time I think 10 months not sure but I got screwed cuz Viruses caused me lag for over a month and 2 weeks I had an X-trap error for a week and I spent 2 months Vending trying to make money to get my gears >,< now Im trying to get a couple more +9's ZOMG Im thinking right now how the hell am I gonna do it this time >,< XD i don't know if that was off topic or not.................. ANyways theirs always stuff to do unless ure server sux completely and has very problematic people then you should be able to get friends that enjoy the game to help you out once in a while or just to talk friends are the main reason Im kept here if it wasn't for friends I'd be gone already.

[laady]

Ugh, thanks a lot Dthugtherealist for those screenies in your sig, now I want to play and I have homework to do. O_O Must...resist...I blame you! *twitch* O_-

[Zamacka]

ehh i dont no neccesarily dieing, but i feel like the game is losing the original feel it had. When i first started a couple yrs ago it was fun most ppl were lower lvl and it seems like everyone was friendly, not that the friendlyness isnt here now, but theres alot of bad eggs that ruin it for the rest of us (the ones in the abyss)>.<

[inferno10000]

i say do what u feel is right, I HATE how outspark runs things but hell i love thier games >.> and its getting to me how everything has to revolve around the cash shop i mean OMG how much more can they come out with for the dam thing

[inferno10000]

also lvls 20-40 abyss are a pain in the *** cuz lvls like 35 45 and 55 just stay there and kill the nublets in there that are trying to lvl

[akarih]

I got the feeling of dying coz of how many times I d/c today. Like 5 times in an hour? I cannot even keep a count lol.

But as for the game, I am still enjoying since I am pretty new.

[devin_nicolai]

Yeah it's you because there's huge updates coming next month.

Extrapolate on those updates.

[madara_uchiha1]

I've played for a while as my join date says and i dont feel it dying. When fiesta was first opened to the public it was more friendly, but like everything it changes the changes might make u think its dying because its taking u out of your comfort zone. Its never really going to go back to how it was so just look forward and think what good it can do for the game. just have fun!

[artboi]

Yeah it's you because there's huge updates coming next month.

Wow... what kind of costumer relationship are you trying to have?
Krazy made a serious question, maybe it was silly of him to put at the end "should i quit?" But that doesnt mean you should try to be funny to the people that contribute to your paycheck. Serious questions call for serious answers, obviously you are not so serious about your job. And if you crack a joke with "Why so serious?" it will only prove that it is infact a child behind that username.


THANKS Silky :D :D OK this time you really did get me :D :D



K I am not a big GM kisseruppererr but I am getting so tired of the nasty comments all the time. YOU chose to read Silky's reply as blunt and unhelpful, I chose to read it as he was saying *keep your spirits up there is new stuff coming*, it is all about interpretation.

We cried like a pack of school kids cos we wanted MORE interaction with GM's on the foyers, we get it, and look how they are treated. Tired of playing the game, cant find anything to keep your interest, move on to the next game.

We ask for more interaction, yes, but we ask for the interaction to be without cracking jokes to the customers. Silkypico doesnt know krazyboi in real life, and he didnt try to be funny either in this thread.

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

K I am not a big GM kisseruppererr but I am getting so tired of the nasty comments all the time. YOU chose to read Silky's reply as blunt and unhelpful, I chose to read it as he was saying *keep your spirits up there is new stuff coming*, it is all about interpretation.

We cried like a pack of school kids cos we wanted MORE interaction with GM's on the foyers, we get it, and look how they are treated. Tired of playing the game, cant find anything to keep your interest, move on to the next game.


I agree and read it similarly, I found nothing blunt about silky's post:). I'm starting to <3 silky ;).

[evieevie]

Ok firstly I dont think silky was rude. Im sure he is just pretty tired of everyone saying how the game is going downhill blah blah blah. But its also nice to know we have new content coming up next month!
Just because things are changing it doesnt mean the game is dying. This game is an ongoing changing thing. Yeah it has alot of hiccups but the more people you add to a game (and the more things we get to enjoy) the more problems it creates.
Would you sooner go back to ye olde golden days? Lets think about that for a minute, less quests (more grinding), less ppl rude or otherwise, no DT, lower lvl cap, less kq and who knows what else as i wasnt around then. There will always be aspects of the game that people dont like but also many more will come along that we do like.
As for the pro and con list that someone mentioned earlier...well lets take another look at that.....
Push factors:

1. Tons of unresolved bugs, some as old as since i started playing a year ago... This isnt really outsparks fault, they can only inform onson and hope they send a patch to fix it and this is nothing new. It was this way like you say from when you started playing so you knew what u let yourself in for. Infact some bugs are fixed reasonanly quick ( skill production bug) for an example
2. DC and .bin errors Ive had lots of problems with this and yeah its frustrating but it is being looked into.
3. More rude players in game constantly breaking rules and TOS with no consequences who says there are no consequences? It would be wrong if outspark started naming and shaming and saying "player ***** is being punished for whatever crime and there punishment will be......" There is noway for you to know what is going on behind the scenes at outspark therefore you cant know people are going unpunished. In life there will always be rude people, this game is as good a place as any to learn how to deal with rude people in a calm and controlled manner!
4. OS stuff getting more distant and withdrawn from the playersNow this is just untrue. Outspark have just recruited alot of new gms. They have popped up many times on the forum and ingame recently. Even events seem to be making a comeback!
5. Hellgait weapons, the bleak future (when lvl cap is raised) where 1 guild with the most hellgait weapons will rule Isya. PvP, Abyss and wars will be dominated by them. The guild could actually own the abyss by spawn killing other players and let their own guildlies in to farm the abyss. No one will dare to war them. It is already happening. A certain guild is warring other guilds just to prevent other guilds from raiding helga. But I digress...
Why would one guild just have hellgait weapons? Maybe its because they are better at recruiting stronger or better or even have more active players than other guilds? Then if this is the case its upto other guilds to do the same if they wish to compete. Or just be a non warring guild and dont bother doing pvp? As for one guild lording it over the others maybe the others should get together and fight back?

6. Fiesta is killing my laptop.. Maybe your laptop isnt enough to run fiesta? Have you done all you can to make it playable? This also is not outsparks fault.
7. No more kill a boss event and other fun events that doesn't crash the servers As far back as i can remember these events lag the game and always have done thats nothing new. They are still running, and now we have new gms and they find there feet im sure we will see an increase in these.

Pull Factor:

1. A handful of good friends in game that you would miss.
2. Lots of unused premium items you paid lots of money for.
3. Hours of fun free entertainment.
4. The challenge of completeing something.
5. That feeling of joy getting your weapon to +9.
6. Reaching those landmark lvls -20, 60, 89.
7. Tanking kq.
8. Chilling out with friends.
9 Sharing a game of hide and seek in tides.

I really could go on and on but i think you get where im going here! :)
This game has good and bad things (as does life). You take the rough with the smooth and learn some patience. Anyone who leaves because they feel the game is dying is just a quitter who couldnt cut it in my opinion. :)

[numot]

So many complainers and wusses. When i complain to silky, its about real issues, like the AIM on BK weapons. If 2 guilds run the server and you dont like it, blame yourself for allowing tyrany to thrive. People talk smack about epith, but we have a checks and balances system. NO GUILD GETS GOD ON THE MOUNTAIN STATUS otherwise the server unites and "fixes" this issue. It appears to me that Apo is full of bleeding hearts and people expecting a helgait to fall out of GM heaven and into their storages. People invested time and effort into building these powerful conglomerates so you better expect them to reap the fruits of their labor. Fiesta is a Community, meaning your actions can help shape it. An as a citizen of Apo, uve prolly neglected that aspect of gameplay. You pick the GM as the scapegoat just like a lazy third worlder blames his government leaders for his lack of skillz and unemployment -.-

HEIL to the CHEIF
Peace


(P.S. I miss Dakkon too but regardless of what i say about Silky, he is damn good at what he does. Also props to GM rayse and Motors)

[mehe25]

The game does tend to become extremely negative now...........

[WolfAngel9414]

The game is negative now <.< it's full of beggars and jerks. If you say anything about anything (i.e my post on clerics and my post on abyss) you'll get the few who agree then you'll get your fistfull of people who make a point to try and make you feel bad with their posts, or don't even try to hide the derogatory tone in their statements. The veterans and the rare new members who aren't like this are getting smothered in the people who use/cheat/hack/scam/spam/manipulate/put down/harass etc.

In my honest opinion, Fiesta is growing, but what Fiesta used to be is in fact dying. If you'd like to challenge that statement be my guest, I'll probably get someone who joined a few months ago tearing at me as per usual. I've been around for a while; I know what I'm talking about, and if I don't I have the decency to think it over and admit my wrong. That's more than I can say for a lot of people.

[Miazma]

The game isnt negative, a certain faction of the players are.

I joined this game in November 2007, I remember the first time I logged in I was bombarded with *gold spammers*. I remember every map I tried to grind on had bots running around, I would get part way through a kill and along would come a bot and ks me. I remember vendors selling items claiming them to be different items because of bad labelling. I remember being ks'd and swore at if someone came along and wanted the map I was grinding on.

People who keep saying it was better in the *old days* are wearing blinkers.

I got so frustrated with these characters continually appearing on npc's stopping me from using them I emailed GM_Dakkon and asked why they dont do something about it. Dakkon explained to me they were *gold bots* and could I send him any names that I saw. Every day for around a month I spent a few hours a day taking names and I would send Dakkon a list. Each day he would mail me back and tell me how much gold I had stopped leaving the site. I am happy to say that particular form of botting was stopped.

I remember one night mining in the Uruga Gold Mine when suddenly a bright light appeared and GM_Snakeeyes appeared beside me. Snake asked me if I had seen any gold bots and I gave him the names I already had. He then asked me to run half the map while he did the other half. I was thanked for my time and the bots were banned. These days I can mine for days NO bots.

Ever wondered why you block a *gold spammer* and next day their spot is taken by a new spammer? Yep, the previous one was banned.

GM's are constantly working on improving the game and a lot of what they do isnt obvious to us the players. If we think back over the past honestly, we will realise that things werent as golden as we remember.

[akarih]

Comforting and encouraging example from Miazma. :)
Shows that OS does care, sometimes.

[artboi]

Comforting and encouraging example from Miazma. :)
Shows that OS does care, sometimes.

that was long ago, that is no more....
if they were able to do it back then ... why not now?

[aznguy28]

fiesta still has its charms. Im waiting for the "big updates" that we were promised. I expect good news for the archers. Finally.

[politoad]

yeah it's you because there's huge updates coming next month.

lol!!!!!!!!!

[athenewins]

Allright, its uncle Kannon time.
Hey Brian a.k.a Mrs.Silkypico, you know? We could use some intelligence here. Not only sarcastic [CENSORED].
After that i would mention that as a GM you showed us not to be a good one and if i make a poll in here asking whos better of all the GMs i belive you wont get the first place.Why?
1-Favoritism; i admit ive reported you for favoritism, but as ToS say GMs are allowed to apply any kind of punishment to any player for any reason. In my case it was a permanent ban.
2-Harrasing; Ive seen you talking in World Chat, Shout, etc talking bad to other players.
Example: Player: Silky, You know how can i prevent the lag in the events?
Silky: Yes change your 80' computer and put a windows XP on it.
-The correct answer, that any GM would say is.."Yes, press CTRL + Z to hide the players, the lag will reduce alot." Or.."Turn down your graphics a bit, it will reduce the lag." Ive seen a lot of others kind of harrasments but normally thats the one ive seen.
3- You dont really show a good leadership (Making new words for the win), not helping other people, and not doing your work, like in the points i mentioned before. And i cant really tell you how to do your work, but at least show some respect to the customers.

Regards,
Athene, best paladin of the server the battlegroup and also the world. a.k.a Z, Kannon_Z

Edit: You can delete it but you cant hide the truth.

[Miazma]

Allright, its uncle Kannon time.
Hey Brian a.k.a Mrs.Silkypico, you know? We could use some intelligence here. Not only sarcastic [CENSORED].
After that i would mention that as a GM you showed us not to be a good one and if i make a poll in here asking whos better of all the GMs i belive you wont get the first place.Why?
1-Favoritism; i admit ive reported you for favoritism, but as ToS say GMs are allowed to apply any kind of punishment to any player for any reason. In my case it was a permanent ban.
2-Harrasing; Ive seen you talking in World Chat, Shout, etc talking bad to other players.
Example: Player: Silky, You know how can i prevent the lag in the events?
Silky: Yes change your 80' computer and put a windows XP on it.
-The correct answer, that any GM would say is.."Yes, press CTRL + Z to hide the players, the lag will reduce alot." Or.."Turn down your graphics a bit, it will reduce the lag." Ive seen a lot of others kind of harrasments but normally thats the one ive seen.
3- You dont really show a good leadership (Making new words for the win), not helping other people, and not doing your work, like in the points i mentioned before. And i cant really tell you how to do your work, but at least show some respect to the customers.

Regards,
Athene, best paladin of the server the battlegroup and also the world. a.k.a Z, Kannon_Z

Edit: You can delete it but you cant hide the truth.

I totally agree with your comment we could use some intelligence here, if we dig a little deeper maybe we can find a sense of humour too while we are at it :D

[t3nchi]

I think out of everyone I can understand the most. Me being "behind the scenes" getting things for you guys is very difficult sometimes and also disappointing sometimes.

We're all impatient people (especially me). But Outspark tries to not sacrifice quality when pushing out patches/content (now). This is why we update Semi-monthly.

If you can adjust your calendar's to figure out when we're going to patch, you'll be in turkey heaven.

good i sure appreciate that..its annoying when we get stuff and it doesnt work xD So hopefully with the capp raise there aren't no crazy glitches. * twiddles fingers* now ...just ...to ..wait .....>_> anyway ...where the rest of GMs ? i seen Rayse around alot ..he's pretty cool and i found out " ~.~ " is his fav. face xD

[Dthugtherealist]

Ugh, thanks a lot Dthugtherealist for those screenies in your sig, now I want to play and I have homework to do. O_O Must...resist...I blame you! *twitch* O_-

Thanx XD Imma put that in my siggie it made my day:D at least I gave you something to look at:D Well as for Fiesta yea I've noticed some things but they fix somethings like current probs that are seriously affecting the game pretty quik. I am glad to say they have finally fixed the partner summon:D now I can be all the way in roumen and my Girl is being attacked by Orc Captains in lot and she summons me so I can be her hero<3333333333 and get a free ride to Uruga as well hehehehe well thats enuff from me:D

[A_geezy]

I've been playing fiesta for a couple of years now, and always had fun playing.
Now though, every time i log on, i get this drab feeling, like something is dying and i can't do anything to stop it. I don't know of anyone else is feeling this or it's just me.

Should i quit?

A couple years now? You mean like a year and a half or so? lol... anyways, I noticed that Fiesta was no longer a "fiesta" a while back, I took the summer & most of the Fall off, came back and found that all of my friends had quit or sold their accounts (yeah, it happens a lot... and it sucks).

For me personally, it all hit me one day when i was logging in and saw the "featured member" list on outspark.com, I didn't realize there were so many 13-16 year olds here... but it kinda explained why everyone was acting like spoiled teenagers over little things (im not going to list all the "issues" that have been brought up in the last four months).

I suggest taking a break from gaming altogether. Take a week off then go to mmorpg.com (they have a great list of games), browse through the list of MMOs and pick out a few that look cool; play those for a month or so, then update Fiesta and give it another try. Honestly, you might not come back... (I just use Fiesta like an IM client lol, works better for chatting than for entertaining gaming imo).

good luck with whatever ya do.

[GM_Pilkysico]

Allright, its uncle Kannon time.
Hey Brian a.k.a Mrs.Silkypico, you know? We could use some intelligence here. Not only sarcastic [CENSORED].
People will only accumulate the knowledge in which they want to hear.


After that i would mention that as a GM you showed us not to be a good one and if i make a poll in here asking whos better of all the GMs i belive you wont get the first place.Why?
That's just an opinion based of player experiences. (Your Experience)


1-Favoritism; i admit ive reported you for favoritism, but as ToS say GMs are allowed to apply any kind of punishment to any player for any reason. In my case it was a permanent ban.
You got banned for harassment on Legal terms. Do you want to persist?


2-Harrasing; Ive seen you talking in World Chat, Shout, etc talking bad to other players.
Example: Player: Silky, You know how can i prevent the lag in the events?
Silky: Yes change your 80' computer and put a windows XP on it.
-The correct answer, that any GM would say is.."Yes, press CTRL + Z to hide the players, the lag will reduce alot." Or.."Turn down your graphics a bit, it will reduce the lag." Ive seen a lot of others kind of harrasments but normally thats the one ive seen.
SHIFT+Z only works in Elderine. Any lag is due to PC configuration or Server Load (Which is not even close to max capacity).



3- You dont really show a good leadership (Making new words for the win), not helping other people, and not doing your work, like in the points i mentioned before. And i cant really tell you how to do your work, but at least show some respect to the customers.
This is not a Game Masters job. You don't work for Outspark so you do not know the job criteria.



Regards,
Athene, best paladin of the server the battlegroup and also the world. a.k.a Z, Kannon_Z

Edit: You can delete it but you cant hide the truth.
Truth is since you showed up on the radar again, CSR is monitoring all of your actions. I will take legal action next time.

[darthnish]

Pwnt...........

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

haha silky doesnt deserve all of this haha so messed

[Plushii]

Fiesta used to be a lot better than it is now.
Things started to get downhill after Dakkon left, and when the patch of d00m came (I bet everyone knows what patch I'm talking about)

[darthnish]

ah i have hte cap raise to look foward roo. i might actually get my lazy *** to lvl

[kyoslilmonster]

In my opinion, the game has it's moments where I just want to quit, like the grind of the mid 50's, but I realize if you find a core of friends within the game, you can all stay motivated and makes the gameplay experience enjoyable, and thus personally to me, I don't think Fiesta is dying, but even if it is, that means that only the hardcore, die-hard fan base is left, eliminating the n00bs, and people who just really end up clogging servers and taking up memory and data.

SECOND NOTE:

Also, I'm sick of hearing about who is or isn't the best GM, seriously. everybody, stfu about it.

What they do is their job, and their own perrogative, and personally, I think that what they do is their own business.

Harassing, countermanding, and/or disregarding them is stupidity, (not a conformist, but you follow and respect those with the authority) and whatever punishment they give you for doing so is fine by me.

[Nipah]

the game is dying for me in personal reasons, i can't leave the game however, it's too addicting lmao


but srsly ppl, stop blaming silky for everything that's going on. he really doesn't deserve it.

[kyoslilmonster]

Agreed, it may be the people within the game causing Fiesta to fester, along with this unshakeable hatemongering and elitism that one encounters.

Just like every MMORPG, you quickly learn who you can trust and deserves respect. I will not simply blacklist, but one need only to step into Elderine in Bijou and you'll realize why some people get certain ideas in their heads, due to high-level or high SC-laden characters just spouting off whatever is in their heads, and the lower-level "minions" following mindwashed.

*Done*

I've gotta go to court now.

Hope this discussion is still here when I'm back. ^.^;

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

Iiiiiiiiiii WILL REVIVE FIEStaaaaa~ or at least teva

[DF001]

Allright, its uncle Kannon time.
Hey Brian a.k.a Mrs.Silkypico, you know? We could use some intelligence here. Not only sarcastic [CENSORED].
After that i would mention that as a GM you showed us not to be a good one and if i make a poll in here asking whos better of all the GMs i belive you wont get the first place.Why?
1-Favoritism; i admit ive reported you for favoritism, but as ToS say GMs are allowed to apply any kind of punishment to any player for any reason. In my case it was a permanent ban.
2-Harrasing; Ive seen you talking in World Chat, Shout, etc talking bad to other players.
Example: Player: Silky, You know how can i prevent the lag in the events?
Silky: Yes change your 80' computer and put a windows XP on it.
-The correct answer, that any GM would say is.."Yes, press CTRL + Z to hide the players, the lag will reduce alot." Or.."Turn down your graphics a bit, it will reduce the lag." Ive seen a lot of others kind of harrasments but normally thats the one ive seen.
3- You dont really show a good leadership (Making new words for the win), not helping other people, and not doing your work, like in the points i mentioned before. And i cant really tell you how to do your work, but at least show some respect to the customers.

Regards,
Athene, best paladin of the server the battlegroup and also the world. a.k.a Z, Kannon_Z

Edit: You can delete it but you cant hide the truth.

Kannon..you rock.

I really agree with you on this one.

Silky, to be honest, you barely do any player interaction. Seriously. Even GM Dakkon himself said ''silky does *blank* for player interaction''. I remember an event in FBZ, and a lot of players were asking you questions and you never answered. You'd rather talk about cookies and hugs and etc. Every time that I whispered you asking for help, you'd ignore it. Every time, not just once, twice or thrice, every time.

Not a flame, just leaving here my feelings and my thoughts. I do not hate you, Silky. I just think that you're falling downhill...

Happy birthday.

[slayerKING]

wow sacred leon has 5 jems<---random.
I used to play fiesta and i enjoyed it, i would grind and it would always be a new experience. quests would lvl you fast and would be interesting. this was before i was even in a guild!
now i play and i just think, wow ive been in the 5x's for how long?!? i should really lvl up now. then i get the quests and welp, ive already done that--boring. top it off, all my friends i had when i joined are GONE! i think about them and almost cry (6'2",180lbs,benches 250) how bad is that.i play this game daily and cant stop, ive invested $500+ in premium items just to enhance for my friends and where are they? GONE! I do not know what to do but i know its not quit, i havent been returned what i believe i shouldve gotten with $500. this game needs new content, but only AFTER bugs are fixed, like the one that youve all seen in the VERY BEGINNING lmao its tiny but..."you are lvl 58 adventurer" you are A lvl 58 adventurer cmon lmao, thats just a demonstration of course but really, its no fun without new experiences and when you only get them after a solid 5 hours of grinding, it doesnt nearly make you feel better. someone help me

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

wow sacred leon has 5 jems<---random.

gems*


sorry..i had too...

XD

[GM_Pilkysico]

Kannon..you rock.

I really agree with you on this one.

Silky, to be honest, you barely do any player interaction. Seriously. Even GM Dakkon himself said ''silky does *blank* for player interaction''. I remember an event in FBZ, and a lot of players were asking you questions and you never answered. You'd rather talk about cookies and hugs and etc. Every time that I whispered you asking for help, you'd ignore it. Every time, not just once, twice or thrice, every time.

Not a flame, just leaving here my feelings and my thoughts. I do not hate you, Silky. I just think that you're falling downhill...

Happy birthday.

Player interaction isn't my job.

Running Fiesta, Getting new content, Creating content, Releases Event planning is.

Just because the [GM] tag is in front of me name, it doesn't say what I am worth at the company. Makes you kinda think that I've been at Outspark for 13 months (Longest out of the entire Fiesta team [besides my boss SKiNG])

I don't need to define my job to everyone, that's my own business. But since you want to be "educated" a little bit, I'm gonna throw it out there.

[knagol]

krazzy guess who i give u a hint SHAMWOW!!!!!!!

[Mindspank]

Wow, how quickly things go downhill.

Bottom line is that everyone plays for their own reasons. Weither or not the game is dying will ALWAYS be debateable because its a matter of perspective. Ive been playing for over a year and dont think its dying. someone who has been playing for six to eight months might think otherwise. Its the whole half empty/half full effect.

As far as GM's doing their job. Silky takes alot of flak, as do all of the other GM's, past and present, in one way or another. I mean yeah he's always in a near idle state wherever he spawns, but try to imagine getting 300 whispers in five minutes, I think you would miss a few questions and cries for help too. In no way shape or form am I defending the GM's, they are capable of doing that themselves. I just dont see how attacking a GM's work methods/social interaction has anything to do with weither or not Fiesta is dying because like I said, its all a matter of perspective. Besides if I had to deal with some of the people they do on a daily basis, I would appear to be idle too.

[silverwhitedragon]

Wow, how quickly things go downhill.

Bottom line is that everyone plays for their own reasons. Weither or not the game is dying will ALWAYS be debateable because its a matter of perspective. Ive been playing for over a year and dont think its dying. someone who has been playing for six to eight months might think otherwise. Its the whole half empty/half full effect.

As far as GM's doing their job. Silky takes alot of flak, as do all of the other GM's, past and present, in one way or another. I mean yeah he's always in a near idle state wherever he spawns, but try to imagine getting 300 whispers in five minutes, I think you would miss a few questions and cries for help too. In no way shape or form am I defending the GM's, they are capable of doing that themselves. I just dont see how attacking a GM's work methods/social interaction has anything to do with weither or not Fiesta is dying because like I said, its all a matter of perspective. Besides if I had to deal with some of the people they do on a daily basis, I would appear to be idle too.


wow i never thought of the spam of whispers they get -.- but ya they do have it hard as it is. Personally this answers my question as to why GMs seem like a robot ingame.

Back on topic: OUTSPARK IS NOT PERFECT! There are bound to be mistakes both big and small, hidden and unhidden. If you don't like it and aren't willing to help improve it then i suggest you leave. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO STAY. For Teva's sake, please don't be the one-sided coin on this issue. BUt then again, this world is full of people like you. Silky needs to place his attention on more important matters than the "end of the world" rants.

[Mavrieck]

Fiesta is dead to me >.>, why??

1: Events are for the sparck cash users if u havent notice....
If u dont purchase anything u get nothing, and the events the non spark cash users get are the same thing every month, like, Find the GM (if ur still doing that), wuts the Q&A (If ur still doing that) come on its boring and to many kids like no joke kids... are taking over

2: Same as 1
3: Same as 2
4: Same as 3
5: Same as 4

6: Where is the fun when u need an exp bost to hit a certain lvl (Yes i do have a job no i will not spend hard earned cash on a boring game without equal opportunities to its loyal community)

7: Give me a list of 5-10 people caps right now who did not use Spark Cash to reach it, and... has been playing since THE END OF CBT2 (spark items in general even gifts)

Hope the spamming of "Buy Spark Cash today.. today.. today..." isnt due to the fact the economy is so bad

This is just me talking out my rearn

Note: Haven't played fiesta since caps was raised to 60-70

[AhLook]

I've been playing fiesta for a couple of years now, and always had fun playing.
Now though, every time i log on, i get this drab feeling, like something is dying and i can't do anything to stop it. I don't know of anyone else is feeling this or it's just me.

Should i quit?
it is dying, my whole guild + many others left the game for some other game which has less crying and whining. well, must be the culture in the states, since only americans cry ;) this game must never implement CTRL+Click pk enable in maps.. if not all the kids will quit ;)


THANKS Silky :D :D OK this time you really did get me :D :D



K I am not a big GM kisseruppererr but I am getting so tired of the nasty comments all the time. YOU chose to read Silky's reply as blunt and unhelpful, I chose to read it as he was saying *keep your spirits up there is new stuff coming*, it is all about interpretation.

We cried like a pack of school kids cos we wanted MORE interaction with GM's on the foyers, we get it, and look how they are treated. Tired of playing the game, cant find anything to keep your interest, move on to the next game.

but-kisser, face it. it looks that way no matter how anyone reads it.


Yeah it's you because there's huge updates coming next month.
Remember that u are doing a business.

regards

[Miazma]

it is dying, my whole guild + many others left the game for some other game which has less crying and whining. well, must be the culture in the states, since only americans cry ;) this game must never implement CTRL+Click pk enable in maps.. if not all the kids will quit ;)

but-kisser, face it. it looks that way no matter how anyone reads it.

Remember that u are doing a business.

regards

I can totally understand your guild dying with an attitude like yours. Thankfully we Aussies do cry at times because it shows we are human.

As for the butt kisser comment, only a whinger would see it that way. The people who were bought up with a few manners and show common courtesy realise that constantly bashing people is ignorance to the max. The GM's and CSR's have a job criteria that none of us are aware of, who are we to tell them if they are or arent doing their job?

The old saying that people keep using on here about this being a business and *The customer is always right* is far from the truth.

The customer who steals from a business is not right.
The customer who abuses the business personal is not right.
The customer who doesnt follow the business ToS is not right.

No human being is perfect, and no human being is liked/loved by all others, but we can show some courtesy when we speak to each other. Be happy calling me a butt kisser it means naught to me, there are many threads on this forum where I have berated them for inconsistencies, however I dont bash them personally I do it to cover the whole GM, CSR population.

[numot]

hey, i would watch what u say about Look. He takes care of his guild, which is why they ALL (as in together) went to go play a different game. you aren't in any place to make assumptions on his character.

[wannabeguyo]

Everyone why don't we calm down DX. Seems like Brian has been hinting towards amazing things next month. Until then lets try to hold off on all the rants, for all we know bricks could be shat next month.

[lenore_lurks]

Aussie Aussie Aussie!

Yeah this thread is annoying lol.

Just wait and see what content is coming up.

[joecracker]

We're all impatient people (especially me). But Outspark tries to not sacrifice quality when pushing out patches/content (now). This is why we update Semi-monthly.


i admit thats almost true most the times, expect this last patch should have been rolled back due to the current DC problem, you guys have rolled back patches in the past due to things like this, thats my only complaint but yea,:) other then that keep up the good work

[GM_Pilkysico]

i admit thats almost true most the times, expect this last patch should have been rolled back due to the current DC problem, you guys have rolled back patches in the past due to things like this, thats my only complaint but yea,:) other then that keep up the good work

When this patch was QA'ed, we didn't receive these issues. We still don't. We cannot reproduce it.

This is why there is a STICKY to collect information from people who are receiving it.

[Ciocolajs]

keep up da good work (Y)

[Terranwolf]

Just going to throw out how rediculous you guys look for trying to bash Silky. So far I haven't seen any strong argument here.

I am disappointed in you guys.



And to answer the original question to this thread, no, Fiesta isn't dying at all. It's actually pretty full. You're probably just not seeing your friends on as much, and are ignoring the new players.
It happens in all MMOs.

The Fiesta you knew may be... but as the old fades away, the new shines brightly, with fresh players eager to learn the game and become the best.

[joecracker]

yea, but its effecting a lot of people, i would assume more people then not, and the info from us really isnt the key to this i dont believe, now im no programmer but seems every download "fiesta 1.xxx.xxxx is effectted."

whatever it was the last patch caused it is was im saying, oh and any update to the info people providing OS doing anything?

but hey its not the end of the world, now come wed morning and people still are dc ing then it might be :)


EDIT i skimmed this thread, so i dont know whats all going on with the bashing

[artboi]

No human being is perfect, and no human being is liked/loved by all others, but we can show some courtesy when we speak to each other. Be happy calling me a butt kisser it means naught to me, there are many threads on this forum where I have berated them for inconsistencies, however I dont bash them personally I do it to cover the whole GM, CSR population.

>_> you speak about courtesy, yet you didnt say anything about silkypico responding with "yea its you blahblahblah "
what does that say about you? that you are a hypocrite.

We all know that no human is perfect in anyway and that all humans are not liked/loved by all others.
That is still no justification for a GM to respond with useless words.
Silky could of just said... "just hang in there for the next big update" that sounds like a helping hand from a member of the outspark staff.

@silky
Yes most of us do not know your job criteria, but still try to be less sarcastic.
Its disappointing to see a person thats trying to get this game up and running without deffect act so immaturely.

You say it is not your to interact with the players, yet you do it.... and you interact with them with useless things such as just running your mouth off with irrelevant stuff and "Lol" "hugs" when you could spend your time answering questions from whispers.

You should yourself in the Helga raid that BusouIIRenkin did recently to praise them. Which is good because thats the interaction you should have with them, since they spend at least 100$ a week. You want to keep them happy.

Why not TRY to keep happy the rest of costumers with your wisdom about the game when someone whispers you a question.
I know you get bombarded with alot of whispers at a time, but still you can try to answer as much possible without deviating your attention to silly shout or roar chats.

[lenore_lurks]

But if he's responding in regular or shout chat, he's interacting with a wide range of people. Single whisper responses are time consuming and could go on for who knows how long. That's just with one person. I'm guessing that he'd get bombarded with whispers - you want him to reply to all of them? That's very unrealistic. By responding and interacting with 10+ players at once through shout and regular chat he can achieve far more in less time. If anyone has a serious issue, they should know the proper channels to go through by now in order to report their problems. Whisper chat isn't one of them.

People have already said on here that his initial comment could be taken as a positive, but many people are taking it as a negative. He can't control personal perception. I'm sorry you can't see the positives in his communication.

Do you guys realise that it's not simply a day off for him, but he's taking some well deserved time off, just 4 days, to celebrate his birthday? And instead of saying "Yes, time off! I'm outta here!" he's been back and forth between the forums and the game, talking and discussing issues with the players? He doesn't have to do that, but he's a good GM and is doing it for us, the players. And all I've seen is "Silky sucks!" everywhere. It's lame. Give him a break. I'd love to see you guys try to do his job, on your day off.

[AhLook]

I can totally understand your guild dying with an attitude like yours. Thankfully we Aussies do cry at times because it shows we are human.

As for the butt kisser comment, only a whinger would see it that way. The people who were bought up with a few manners and show common courtesy realise that constantly bashing people is ignorance to the max. The GM's and CSR's have a job criteria that none of us are aware of, who are we to tell them if they are or arent doing their job?

The old saying that people keep using on here about this being a business and *The customer is always right* is far from the truth.

The customer who steals from a business is not right.
The customer who abuses the business personal is not right.
The customer who doesnt follow the business ToS is not right.

No human being is perfect, and no human being is liked/loved by all others, but we can show some courtesy when we speak to each other. Be happy calling me a butt kisser it means naught to me, there are many threads on this forum where I have berated them for inconsistencies, however I dont bash them personally I do it to cover the whole GM, CSR population.

look for the comma in my sentences, girl. understand punctuation and you will understand other's opinions.

if u wanna cry, cry irl, dun cry in a game.. crying in a game doesn't make u human, u are still a pixel, and dun play with words if u are in response to any posts. artfully phrased words are used for flaming only, which is your intention i believe, if not, then u r a but-kisser.

don't assume no one knows what other's jobs are. the world does not revolve around you only. This thread wasn't meant to be a flame thread, but u came here to start a flame post against whoever those "wringers" are.

Think, before you post anything, whether or not it will end up as an invite to flames. And don't argue about it if you are prepared for it. 99% of my posts are invites for flaming, so i have no qualms about posting posts like that. So, are you prepared ?

I am happy at all times, because a game means nothing to me.


Just going to throw out how rediculous you guys look for trying to bash Silky. So far I haven't seen any strong argument here.

I am disappointed in you guys.

And to answer the original question to this thread, no, Fiesta isn't dying at all. It's actually pretty full. You're probably just not seeing your friends on as much, and are ignoring the new players.
It happens in all MMOs.

The Fiesta you knew may be... but as the old fades away, the new shines brightly, with fresh players eager to learn the game and become the best.

what's the use of stating a strong argument to bash a GM ? he can ban you anytime without anyone knowing, and it takes 1 - 2 business days for a ticket to be processed.

With 12 warnings and 1 ban to my name, i know this pretty well.

regards

[evieevie]

How did this thread turn into a staff bashing thread? O.o
Seriously its gone from a civil discussion to a flame thread. This game isnt perfect but its only as good as the people who play it. If the people playing it react like this no wonder people start leaving. If everyone behaved towards me like some people have behaved to the gms i think id hide and never come out lol! Gms are by no means perfect after all they are human like us!
If you believe fiesta is dying they why play it and why post here? If its no longer for you then move on? That way those of us that do enjoy it and arent waiting for the end of the fiesta world can get back to enjoying the game!

[AhLook]

How did this thread turn into a staff bashing thread? O.o
Seriously its gone from a civil discussion to a flame thread. This game isnt perfect but its only as good as the people who play it. If the people playing it react like this no wonder people start leaving. If everyone behaved towards me like some people have behaved to the gms i think id hide and never come out lol! Gms are by no means perfect after all they are human like us!
If you believe fiesta is dying they why play it and why post here? If its no longer for you then move on? That way those of us that do enjoy it and arent waiting for the end of the fiesta world can get back to enjoying the game!

lets say your mobile phone just shut itself off due to a problem from your mobile subscriber.
you take the phone to the shop for repairs. the person handling the repairs say to u :
"yeah, the phone shut down because its your fault.."
when it is really their fault.

more than 100 people had went to the same shop already, all got the same response. So, if the person handling your mobile phone speak to you in such a way, what will you do ?

keep in mind that there is only 1 shop to repair the phone, and all the people handling it are buddies of the one who rebuked you..

regards

[AhLook]

hey, i would watch what u say about Look. He takes care of his guild, which is why they ALL (as in together) went to go play a different game. you aren't in any place to make assumptions on his character.

Yes numot. We leave as a whole, we will return as a whole. 1 for all, all for 1, our guild motto.

well you see a few of my guildies running around, yeah, we need someone to take care of the guild while we're gone.

And as for those not in the guild anymore, yeah they are bashers of own guild mates, preferably we kick them. useless.

regards

[evieevie]

lets say your mobile phone just shut itself off due to a problem from your mobile subscriber.
you take the phone to the shop for repairs. the person handling the repairs say to u :
"yeah, the phone shut down because its your fault.."
when it is really their fault.

more than 100 people had went to the same shop already, all got the same response. So, if the person handling your mobile phone speak to you in such a way, what will you do ?

keep in mind that there is only 1 shop to repair the phone, and all the people handling it are buddies of the one who rebuked you..

regards

Then i would use the proper channels to complain not shout and whine at the person behind the counter!

[Canboy]

Aussie Aussie Aussie!

Yeah this thread is annoying lol.

Just wait and see what content is coming up.

Oi Oi Oi :D

Sorry nothign to add to this thread xD

But yay update.

[Stacey]

Indeed, this game has changed a lot since closed beta, but I do not believe it is dying. Yes, people leave, but there are still so many people who play the game. Just take a look at the server populations. XD

Now, I have my own opinions about the staff and their promotions for SC...>.< Nevertheless, I still have faith in them; like evie said, they are not perfect.

Let's be patient and see if the future improves Fiesta in-game and out. ^^

[AhLook]

Then i would use the proper channels to complain not shout and whine at the person behind the counter!

read the past 9 pages and quote which post u have me cry or whine.
If you can't find one, i shall have to shoot u down.

regards

[DF001]

Player interaction isn't my job.

Running Fiesta, Getting new content, Creating content, Releases Event planning is.

Just because the [GM] tag is in front of me name, it doesn't say what I am worth at the company. Makes you kinda think that I've been at Outspark for 13 months (Longest out of the entire Fiesta team [besides my boss SKiNG])

I don't need to define my job to everyone, that's my own business. But since you want to be "educated" a little bit, I'm gonna throw it out there.

So, you're just another robot, I see...

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

Wow this thread has steered off course 0_0, I not even sure which topic to address, and since I don't want to get flammed either. I'll just say have fun ppl fiesta is a good game, can't wait till next upgrade.

[Mavrieck]

How did this thread turn into a staff bashing thread? O.o
Seriously its gone from a civil discussion to a flame thread. This game isnt perfect but its only as good as the people who play it. If the people playing it react like this no wonder people start leaving. If everyone behaved towards me like some people have behaved to the gms i think id hide and never come out lol! Gms are by no means perfect after all they are human like us!
If you believe fiesta is dying they why play it and why post here? If its no longer for you then move on? That way those of us that do enjoy it and arent waiting for the end of the fiesta world can get back to enjoying the game!

Yeah wth when did this turn into a "bash"

Imma jump int hen =]

Can we ban who ever initiated the bash. When did having the status "GM" Say no one can bash them with a gud argument?? Ive seen GM's leave forums becuz they thought no one would roost them ( I have no hard feelings towards any GM or staff). I've seen GM's ban people becuz they don't like being roosted in forums in front of there community.
Everyone who is baking any staff or GM is a suck up. SO stop defending them, let the staff fight there own battles or ur just adding on to the fact there staff so u should help them (Lame).

[KateeHellen]

What i find hilarious is that <almost> everyone look at those incoming updates as universal remedy for all problems.
However those updates can effect in two ways.
1. Start a new "Golden Age" for Fiest.
2. Become ultimate Coup de Grace for her.

@Maverick.
Believe me or not but i saw in the past that staff of this game is unable to participate in any serious discusion.
I personally participated in couple pragmatic threads about in game issues <vide 10/28 patch feedback> WITHOUT a single reply from any staff member.
Any attempts i <or other participants of this thread> made to redirect thier attention tho him become futile.
BUT start bashing spark cash and CS... they will flood such thread whit thier replys.

Like i post in the past, OS staff do not need to come here and defend themself because they have a legion of unconditionally believe them supporters witch will defend staff "honor" no matter what circumstances will occured.
After all past experiences whit Fiesta "updates" everyone should rather be prepared for incoming problems and CLs for tsunami of threads "WHY I CANNOT PLAY???" type.
And whit this "optimistic" :rolleyes: end i wish you all Good Day.

[evieevie]

read the past 9 pages and quote which post u have me cry or whine.
If you can't find one, i shall have to shoot u down.

regards

I have read all the posts in this thread, if you reread my post youll see i didnt say you cried or whined it was a general comment to those that were :)

Also to anyone else who thinks im a suck up because i believe staff bashing is wrong well i wasnt sucking up. I was merely stating there is a right way to do things and a wrong way. Shouting your mouth off and getting angry at them will solve nothing plus its completely off topic. No the staff arent perfect, yes they do make mistakes, no im not a suck up, yes staff bashing is wrong.
If you think a staff member has wronged you then complain the right way, write a ticket because whining and complaining on the forums will achieve nothing.

[numot]

So many complainers and wusses. When i complain to silky, its about real issues, like the AIM on BK weapons. If 2 guilds run the server and you dont like it, blame yourself for allowing tyrany to thrive. People talk smack about epith, but we have a checks and balances system. NO GUILD GETS GOD ON THE MOUNTAIN STATUS otherwise the server unites and "fixes" this issue. It appears to me that Apo is full of bleeding hearts and people expecting a helgait to fall out of GM heaven and into their storages. People invested time and effort into building these powerful conglomerates so you better expect them to reap the fruits of their labor. Fiesta is a Community, meaning your actions can help shape it. An as a citizen of Apo, uve prolly neglected that aspect of gameplay. You pick the GM as the scapegoat just like a lazy third worlder blames his government leaders for his lack of skillz and unemployment -.-

HEIL to the CHEIF
Peace


(P.S. I miss Dakkon too but regardless of what i say about Silky, he is damn good at what he does. Also props to GM rayse and Motors)


*reaffirms*

*cough*

[Miazma]

>_> you speak about courtesy, yet you didnt say anything about silkypico responding with "yea its you blahblahblah "
what does that say about you? that you are a hypocrite.

We all know that no human is perfect in anyway and that all humans are not liked/loved by all others.
That is still no justification for a GM to respond with useless words.
Silky could of just said... "just hang in there for the next big update" that sounds like a helping hand from a member of the outspark staff.

How you choose to read the written word is entirely your preprogative. It is more than obvious from your responses you are anti anything Silky or any GM would say.



I am happy at all times, because a game means nothing to me.

what's the use of stating a strong argument to bash a GM ? he can ban you anytime without anyone knowing, and it takes 1 - 2 business days for a ticket to be processed.

With 12 warnings and 1 ban to my name, i know this pretty well.

regards

I can totally see why you have had 12 warnings and 1 ban, hopefully there is another one coming your way soon :D

[AhLook]

How you choose to read the written word is entirely your preprogative. It is more than obvious from your responses you are anti anything Silky or any GM would say.

I can totally see why you have had 12 warnings and 1 ban, hopefully there is another one coming your way soon :D

haha, the but-kisser has posted.

yes, if i receive another warning, i will know that it is you who reported me.

so all who reading this thread, note that if i get a warning, i will post it here, and all of you will know its Miazma who reported, since this is the only thread with me doing arguments.

regards

[Miazma]

haha, the but-kisser has posted.

yes, if i receive another warning, i will know that it is you who reported me.

so all who reading this thread, note that if i get a warning, i will post it here, and all of you will know its Miazma who reported, since this is the only thread with me doing arguments.

regards

You presume way too much. Reporting someone takes time and effort and I dont find you worth my time or effort. Only person you will have to blame for another warning is yourself.

[PenguinEvan]

In my opninion its not dying, but I just wish everything wasnt so darn expensive in the shop...almost 15$ for a weapon skin that you have to repair every other day with more money? seriously...

[AhLook]

You presume way too much. Reporting someone takes time and effort and I dont find you worth my time or effort. Only person you will have to blame for another warning is yourself.

haha, speak for yurself. i dun need to presume about wat u do, i just know that u reported a certain number of people and many got banned just for it ;)

Although you are saying "not worth my time and effort", you do other things. Say 1 thing and do the opposite is a sign of a rotten personality.

The world do not revolve around you. I am prepared to receive a warning from CLs only if CLs catch me on their own. Not from players like you who report me.
By themselves, CL will send me a PM which states when wnad where i get infracted. And i will ask for information which they will give me 90% of the time.

Therefore, i phrased and set my posts in such a way that, i will know exactly who reported me.

come cry some more, i'm waiting to see what interesting whines you are going to post.

regards

[lenore_lurks]

-_- give it up, now you're just flaming to get Miazma.

This thread has run it's course.

[athenewins]

Dear Santa;
I want for xmas...oops

Aight, Mrs.Silkypico:
1) You are a GM so its prefectly legal and not bad to come into forums and post in this kind of threads, but what i ment was, that this should be a serious thread not someone making refference of the new fiesta's store items.
2)Allright yes its true. It depends on the different customers
3)Ok, If you call harrasment on legal terms talking about "secks" in normal chat, i would love to see a good number of people banned in this game. Apart of that msn conversations are not allowed to use against a customer or outspark staff member, Why did you think i didnt send those conversations you had with Ashlee Pecci a.k.a xakashax a.k.a cookieez. And why you didnt mention anything about the favoritism part of my post? Is that true? And i dont call that persist, I call that justice.
4)Ok,it wasnt really a good answer of yours, If you are ever in Elderine when its event time a.k.a Racooon City but instead of zombies is the lag. So yeah that time I saw you answering that kind of things in ELDERINE in the middle of AN event.
5)You dont talk about the respect to outspark customers in your answer, what happened with that? And trust me I know more than you really think i do.
6)Im hacking,Spamming,Botting,Boating,RickRolling,Athen eing,And SenseiSplintering right now all at the same time, sad part? I dont play fiesta anymore im just in forums normally to make fun of the threads, but since this was a good thread to talk serious there we go.Plus what do you call legal actions? Banning me just for saying the truth? Like you did last time? Right now im not breaking any part of the ToS, i would say you did before i dont know if you keep doing it but yeah.

Regards,
K to the Z KZibit.

PS: The part of hacking spamming and yarayarayara is just to make fun of what happen.
PS2: Correct me if I am wrong, or just permanent ban me in front of everyone, show them how do you punish people for doing really nothing than saying the truth.
PS3: Again im re-re-checking (invented word ftw) the ToS and at the moment i dont see any rule broken.

[Celtic_Princess]

haha, the but-kisser has posted.

yes, if i receive another warning, i will know that it is you who reported me.

so all who reading this thread, note that if i get a warning, i will post it here, and all of you will know its Miazma who reported, since this is the only thread with me doing arguments.

regards



If you get a warning, its not because someone reported you, its because you did or said something that you should not have. Given the number of warnings/infractions you have received and the ban you have experienced you should know quite well by now what is and is not tolerated...so you should be more than capable of avoiding those situations again.

This thread is now [closed] for being completely derailed.