do you like the way outspark is running things (kinda rant/poll)

[inferno10000]

(Plz vote, voters are kept private so no one will hunt u down and bother u. 800+ views and only 65 votes T_T)

There has been a big change with how outspark has been running things for the last past coupleof months and years and its bugging lots of ppl lately. post your opions on how they run things here. add anything you would like to see changed or just to express your feelings.

MY FEELINGS
(Player point of view)
-i hate how outspark runs, things but i love thier games
-i hate how they over use the spark cash shop
-the release dates are never clear for ANYTHING (not just fiesta BLACKSHOT huge fail)
-i used to love the events they have, now there isn't any events at all like SERVER EVENTS not no omg its silkys birthday lets put a cake in there >.> i mean a eld arena battle or fight a boss event or just a gm whos going to spawn monsters all over the city maps
-i do love how oustpark set up the profile thing (nice work guys)
-finally, really open up a new server, everyday its on HIGH. *** do u think is going to happen is you keep coming out with big patches its going to go down, HELL NO it'll say "FULL- sorry wait your turn to get in"

ADDED
-night never happens on fiesta because now everyone just gets in thier houses and vends all night

BUSINESS VIEW
-yes the shops actually do have lots of fun items and stuff (but does it have to be so expensive)
-it isn't pay to play so that a loss and i get the cash shop was supose to fix that (good work)
-we ask for so much but they can't fix everything

GM POINT OF VIEW
(if i was a gm or maybe silky or someone would put thier thoughts)
-OMG I CAN'T DO EVERYTHING
-also thanks silky for posting your always welcome here
-(LINK TO "how to be a GM)
http://www.outspark.com//forums/showthread.php?t=45029

EVENTS
i did create a event page a while ago
http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136951

LVLING
-lvls 1-20 COULDN'T be any easier to get i hear from ppl it takes a few hours or days depending on the player
-lvls 70-89 are weird 70-72 are the normal quest grind kq. but 73-76 are PURE GRINDING thats at least a good 2 days at least to get out of there. 77-89 are PURE repeats. i mean sure the first couple of lvls are easy but right when u get to 83 OMG 1mill per repeat but you need 100mill to lvl so thats basically 100 times you have to do the same quest. SOOOOO looking forward to 90-100 its going to be 200-300 repeats of the same quest.
-lvls 21-71.... i don't have any characters around that lvl so if any of you wana post your feelings about that go right ahead




My main problem is the cash shop. Yes we know it keeps the game running and free, but whats the point of running the game when you ignore your customers and throw their money away on trying to find ways of making more money? Without putting any towards improving and fixing what is already made, but still needs a bit of tweaking? And for goodness sake, PLEASE STOP SPAMMING YOUR DEAL OF THE DAY. -_-" Whenever I hear that noise when an announcement pops up, I used to look at the top of my screen to see that there is an event or something useful going on, but now I never look up unless its in Gold Hill KQ because I know that it will be:

"Check out the new *Whatever* in the Fiesta Store!"
Or
"*Whatever" has been added to Remi's Rare Finds! Play now for a chance to win!"

It sickens me to see a once great game company turn into a money grabbing contest...

-yeh thats another issue we don't need to be reminded every 20 mins whats in the fiesta store TRUST ME WE KNOW

GM (SUCK UPS)
-i don't like it
-yes silky is doing a great job. He is VERY VERY VERY active on the forums (even more active then me lol) In game though... yes he does give helpfull advice but i'm not a big fan of always trying to advertise more OS cash stuff. (no offence of course just being honest) also its great that hes active in the game and talks to everyone.
-Dakkon was the best in my opion but fact... HES GONE AND WE HAVE TO GET OVER IT
-NO CLUE WHO OTHER GMS ARE so can't say anything bad or good about them..




Also, OutSpark has allowed itself to expand too aggressively and not retain employees, nor to properly train their replacements. They have acquired rights to new games, while their resources and employees could not keep up. Logistically, this is a nightmare, as we have seen Project Powder and other OS games struggle. And while this is not wholly the fault of OS, they failed to properly gauge their shortcomings as a company and prepare properly before expanding.

Overall for Fiesta alone I recommend 1 new server, 5 new CSRs and 5 new GMs, dedicating 1 team of a CSR and a GM to be server specific, so they can get to know and become comfortable with the community.
EXACTLY PLZ OS NO MORE NEW GAMES
Like that angels and demons thing.......... WTH i swear that better not be a new costume or anything. also *** your going to have another new patch comeing out even though the last patch issues have yet to been fix. this will not work because 100% of the time the patch always messing something up for someone and heck theres still black ice from last years cap raise in the Gold hill kq.

[DF001]

There has been a big change with how outspark has been running things for the last past coupleof months and years and its bugging lots of ppl lately. post your opions on how they run things here. add anything you would like to see changed or just to express your feelings.

My feelings
-i hate how outspark runs things but i love thier games
-i hate how they over use the spark cash shop
-the release dates are never clear for ANYTHING
-i used to love the events they have, now there isn't any events at all like SERVER EVENTS not no omg its silkys birthday lets put a cake in there >.> i mean a eld arena battle or fight a boss event or just a gm whos going to spawn monsters all over the city maps
-i do love how oustpark set up the profile thing (nice work guys)
-finally, really open up a new server, everyday its on HIGH. *** do u think is going to happen is you keep coming out with big patches its going to go down, HELL NO it'll say "FULL- sorry wait your turn to get in"

1) Contradiction
2) If it wasn't the sparkcash store, the game wouldn't be free
3) True
4) Yes, event are boring now
5) The new layout sucks
6) They're working on it, and the full message doesn't appear anymore

<3

[yourmojo]

Well, a quick fix for the full servers would be to have a waitlist if the server is full. But you're right, eventually as the game gets more popular, more servers will be needed to meet the demand.

Release dates aren't clear because it's dealing with computers. There's no real way to determine a fixed release date because adding/modifying one line of code can completely screw everything up...It has to be tested/approved yada yada. If a serious bug is found they can't help that; it takes time to fix.

I agree with your first point. Though I think that with all MMOs that I play so I guess I expect too much.

[GM_Pilkysico]

1) :)
2) :(
3) :confused:
4) :eek:
5) :D
6) ;)

[DF001]

1) :)
2) :(
3) :confused:
4) :eek:
5) :D
6) ;)

Emo spammer.

[allyyCORE]

1) Contradiction
2) If it wasn't the sparkcash store, the game wouldn't be free
3) True
4) Yes, event are boring now
5) The new layout sucks
6) They're working on it, and the full message doesn't appear anymore

<3

Just wanted to point out, on Inferno's first post, that is not a contradiction.
Outspark and it's relationship with its consumers through the game is like a smoker and his relationship with Philip Morris through a pack of Marlboros.

Anyway, I agree with the rest of your points lol

[Celtic_Princess]

-i hate how outspark runs things but i love thier games


You're seeing it from a player point of view, they do have to run the company like a business. Not just a game it'd be nice to get all the things we want but there are a lot of other considerations that we often don't take into account when we suggest them. Like cost, resources needed, time and whether or not it can even be accomplished under their licensing agreement.


-i hate how they over use the spark cash shop


The cash shop is their revenue source. No revenue means no profit, no profit means less staffing, less features, and eventually no games.


-the release dates are never clear for ANYTHING


Release dates are often tentative. In the business world...things happen. Yes, its important to try to keep those dates because it improves customer satisfaction...but it doesn't happen every time. So why set a date when you aren't sure you can make it?


-i used to love the events they have, now there isn't any events at all like SERVER EVENTS not no omg its silkys birthday lets put a cake in there >.> i mean a eld arena battle or fight a boss event or just a gm whos going to spawn monsters all over the city maps


So suggest new events for them to do?


-i do love how oustpark set up the profile thing (nice work guys)


Me too.


-finally, really open up a new server, everyday its on HIGH. wth do u think is going to happen is you keep coming out with big patches its going to go down, HELL NO it'll say "FULL- sorry wait your turn to get in"


Again, this requires resources. Funding, time, staffing, planning, implementation. Its not just as simple as putting a new one in whenever they feel like it. If numbers reach a point where they feel its necessary to put a new on in, I'm sure they will. For the time being they have other priorities. Like fixing the fiesta.bin problem.

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

There has been a big change with how outspark has been running things for the last past coupleof months and years and its bugging lots of ppl lately. post your opions on how they run things here. add anything you would like to see changed or just to express your feelings.

My feelings
-i hate how outspark runs things but i love thier games
-i hate how they over use the spark cash shop
-the release dates are never clear for ANYTHING
-i used to love the events they have, now there isn't any events at all like SERVER EVENTS not no omg its silkys birthday lets put a cake in there >.> i mean a eld arena battle or fight a boss event or just a gm whos going to spawn monsters all over the city maps
-i do love how oustpark set up the profile thing (nice work guys)
-finally, really open up a new server, everyday its on HIGH. *** do u think is going to happen is you keep coming out with big patches its going to go down, HELL NO it'll say "FULL- sorry wait your turn to get in"

I am not being sarcastic at all. i love how outspark runs things. Bringing out new cashshop items is a great way to allow players to express their character's individuality or likeness, need more sc items. Release dates and new features are a need to know basis after all this is sensitive material. I agree that we need more events, however, I am concerned about how this may or may not create more lag and server traffic, etc. Therefore, having less events does less harm in a way. Servers tend to be low at night time >.> then again when is night?

Anyhow, I think Outspark has done a great job over the years and many of the things they've done right have been overlooked. Rather, I think the focus is on the things they do wrong, either way, here are my words of encouragement: Keep up the "good" work OS. (big S :D)

[inferno10000]

kk i added some more to widen the view and i gotto say very logical thinking

[iamsuperman_7777]

yeah i agree but it is a bussness and yeah money i guess just comes first anymore no matter what you sacrafice for it

[Rzpect]

From my point of view since the day i started playing..
everything was going smoothhhhhh like seriously this was the FIRST MMORPG game i've ever played and actually loved
If you guys didn't notice...Fiesta is going downhill since the day "you know who" become GM.

[Twenty-Nine_Rooks]

1)
Well, I do not appove of how OutSpark or OnsOn Soft has run things. OOS is responsible for the majority of the games bugs, and while they have made a great game in general, they have been lax in responding to the bugs that have plagued the game. OutSpark itself is only able to control the Cash Shop, which is why we see such dilligent updates there.

I was once an operations manager for a small chain of 5 movie theaters, so I know how to view things from a business perspective, and I can say that there are major problems with OutSpark's HR and employee training and retention policies. The departure of Steam, Vanquish, Dakkon, etc was a blow to the company, and while those employees may have had their problems, management is ultimately responsible for their actions, and a lack of proper training and oversight was probably to blame. Keep in mind, one great employee is worth thousands of customers, and Dakkon, Steam and Vanquish were great employees who brought fun (and resulting customers) to the game.

Also, OutSpark has allowed itself to expand too aggressively and not retain employees, nor to properly train their replacements. They have acquired rights to new games, while their resources and employees could not keep up. Logistically, this is a nightmare, as we have seen Project Powder and other OS games struggle. And while this is not wholly the fault of OS, they failed to properly gauge their shortcomings as a company and prepare properly before expanding.

Overall for Fiesta alone I recommend 1 new server, 5 new CSRs and 5 new GMs, dedicating 1 team of a CSR and a GM to be server specific, so they can get to know and become comfortable with the community.

2)
I don't mind updates to the CS or new items at all, but it is important for OS to reassure us that our money is being spent properly, that it is being used to better the community and the game itself. This has not been happening. The digital items in the cash shop, while they must be designed and programmed, are capable of being infinitely replicated at little or no cost to OS, so the business model that ensues is profitable, if OS can even sell a few of them.

Well, I could go on, but I will leave my rant there for now. lol

[Sockrawteez]

I'm afraid to say no, coz if I do I'm sure the OS department of homeland security will deport me to nexon or something x.x

[GM_Pilkysico]

1)
Overall for Fiesta alone I recommend 1 new server, 5 new CSRs and 5 new GMs, dedicating 1 team of a CSR and a GM to be server specific, so they can get to know and become comfortable with the community.


New Servers take months to prep. It's not as easy as flipping a switch.

I guess Nekopon, Pandaxtor, silvershield, Rayse, and Tokara don't count?

[A_geezy]

Outspark is a business, unfortunately their games cater to children (eventually daddy will take the credit card back...right?)

I was happy to play last year without Spark Cash, it didn't really make such a huge difference, but as the game has progressed the item mall has become a necessity. Now most people will breeze over that word "necessity" without realizing exactly how big this point is--after lvl 70 the game would be impossible if it weren't for premium items and their respective bonuses. Now true, people have capped without spending a penny on Cash Shop goods, but in every such case they have been carried along by a group of "cash shop whores" with +9 equips & crit suits (then they added charms & extenders... made it easier to spunge off the CS users). Case in point: try doing a KKP run with 15 people using unenhanced green drops and no crit suits/extenders/charms; it will fail.

My qualm is this: Item Malls are great, I used to love dressing up my char (in-game equips are uggly) and I would be happy spending $5-15 a month for new suits and such. The problem arises when premium items allow a player to augment his/her character's in-game stat attributes (remember those things that used to matter). This is the sole cause of these so-called "imbalances" between classes.
I don't believe I am alone when I say that Fiesta is a great game, but there are better. In fact, there are much better Pay-to-Play (P2P) games out there. So how does Fiesta compete against other games on the market? Well being free to play was good, but to compete in the fun stuff (PvP KQ, lvl 70+ content) players have to spend an excess of $20 per month.

...going back to my essay, I'll continue this later.

[DF001]

New Servers take months to prep. It's not as easy as flipping a switch.

I guess Nekopon, Pandaxtor, silvershield, Rayse, and Tokara don't count?

No. They're just mostly fools who spam about cookies and hugs all damn day.

[Myn19]

1)
Well, I do not appove of how OutSpark or OnsOn Soft has run things. OOS is responsible for the majority of the games bugs, and while they have made a great game in general, they have been lax in responding to the bugs that have plagued the game. OutSpark itself is only able to control the Cash Shop, which is why we see such dilligent updates there.

I was once an operations manager for a small chain of 5 movie theaters, so I know how to view things from a business perspective, and I can say that there are major problems with OutSpark's HR and employee training and retention policies. The departure of Steam, Vanquish, Dakkon, etc was a blow to the company, and while those employees may have had their problems, management is ultimately responsible for their actions, and a lack of proper training and oversight was probably to blame. Keep in mind, one great employee is worth thousands of customers, and Dakkon, Steam and Vanquish were great employees who brought fun (and resulting customers) to the game.

Also, OutSpark has allowed itself to expand too aggressively and not retain employees, nor to properly train their replacements. They have acquired rights to new games, while their resources and employees could not keep up. Logistically, this is a nightmare, as we have seen Project Powder and other OS games struggle. And while this is not wholly the fault of OS, they failed to properly gauge their shortcomings as a company and prepare properly before expanding.

Overall for Fiesta alone I recommend 1 new server, 5 new CSRs and 5 new GMs, dedicating 1 team of a CSR and a GM to be server specific, so they can get to know and become comfortable with the community.

2)
I don't mind updates to the CS or new items at all, but it is important for OS to reassure us that our money is being spent properly, that it is being used to better the community and the game itself. This has not been happening. The digital items in the cash shop, while they must be designed and programmed, are capable of being infinitely replicated at little or no cost to OS, so the business model that ensues is profitable, if OS can even sell a few of them.

Well, I could go on, but I will leave my rant there for now. lol

I would +rep you :D
Btw guys if you haven't noticed silky is much more around the forums lately,bad or good she's expressing her opinion and trying to get familiar with us it seems,or she had less work today XD,oh,wait,it was a HE >.>...right?o.0

[Twenty-Nine_Rooks]

New Servers take months to prep. It's not as easy as flipping a switch.

I guess Nekopon, Pandaxtor, silvershield, Rayse, and Tokara don't count?

LOL
Well, originally I made the "5 new GM" recommendation on another thread about 2 months ago. And yes the hiring of the new GMs was a step in the right direction, but I am also making the point that they need to be trained properly too. Planning for long-term, capable employees, and long-term, repeat customers is the key to responsible business.

And a new server of course is a difficult, and expensive, process. But the need for one has been clear for many months now, and I think that even with all the new content on the way (which I am very excited about lol) OS should have begun to prepare for one already.

[mehe25]

1) Contradiction


That isn't contradiction.

[A_geezy]

I would +rep you :D
Btw guys if you haven't noticed silky is much more around the forums lately,bad or good she's expressing her opinion and trying to get familiar with us it seems,or she had less work today XD,oh,wait,it was a HE >.>...right?o.0

oh yeah... it turns out that Silky is a dude...

dudes who play chick characters = eww... NAMBLA :D

okok i know im not making friends here

[GM_Pilkysico]

LOL
Well, originally I made the "5 new GM" recommendation on another thread about 2 months ago. And yes the hiring of the new GMs was a step in the right direction, but I am also making the point that they need to be trained properly too. Planning for long-term, capable employees, and long-term, repeat customers is the key to responsible business.

And a new server of course is a difficult, and expensive, process. But the need for one has been clear for many months now, and I think that even with all the new content on the way (which I am very excited about lol) OS should have begun to prepare for one already.

Who say it hasn't :)?

[Celtic_Princess]

From my point of view since the day i started playing..
everything was going smoothhhhhh like seriously this was the FIRST MMORPG game i've ever played and actually loved
If you guys didn't notice...Fiesta is going downhill since the day "you know who" become GM.


Thats a personal opinion, and a very rude and unfounded one at that. Ever since "you know who" became a GM you have seen faster updates, and as much attempt as anyone could make to keep you happy. Yes, we have seen staff go, but we have also seen staff come in. The staff has become more active in the forums lately as well. These people are trying.

You are placing the shortcomings of an entire company on one person. Thats not how it works.

To be quite honest, as a player I want new content, I want new things to play with...I want, I want, I want. We expect flawless performance when dealing with software yet just about any software has bugs. When we're given cap raises...whats the first thing we do? Complain about some new bug. Does anyone actually thank the staff members for getting the update? No. Its expect and implied that they'll continue licensing the game for your enjoyment whether you pay or not. And the worst part is, those players that do enjoy their time here, that do appreciate the staffs effort get flamed if they attempt to show that appreciation.

If I were a staff member I would have lost my enthusiasm for the project at this point...all the positives are pushed aside and all thats emphasized are the negatives. I wouldn't want to be part of that community. I wouldn't want to work for them. And yet, these people do day in and day out and they deal with our criticism the whole way through.

Btw twenty, they are training new staff members as we speak, and I'm not sure anyone realizes that this takes away from the current staffs ability to be around all the time. Training requires time and effort on the part of some staff member who could be doing something else.


/rant.

[Myn19]

oh yeah... it turns out that Silky is a dude...

dudes who play chick characters = eww... NAMBLA :D

okok i know im not making friends here

I knew a guy who made a fighter chick just to ogle her all day..o.0''...and for some reason I can't act girlish on my fem fighter:confused: and I'm planning on making an archer with fighters trademark hair in pink with the inoccent face with brown eyes and call him Gay-o just to play him all day and giggle every time i see him XD.......For FUN!:p(if only *daddy* would give me his credit card :( )I'd probably whisper my friends all day to freak them out with my gross knowledge ;)

[Saruin]

No. They're just mostly fools who spam about cookies and hugs all damn day.

Bumped for truth.
(Except Rayse, I whispered him and he actually made an attempt to help me with an issue in game about players.)

I also detest certain responses from GMs.
"Holier than thou" and "pompous" as well as "rude" come to mind.

[Oh, but you guys do it, too!]
We don't work for Outspark.

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

OS seems fine its the community thats going berserk o.o crying over every last little thing that goes wrong blamming OS staff instead of themselves o.O no of course not we didnt do antyhing o.o except pester and add more stress to the staff o.o.....I'm sure they know whats wrong and are planning on fixing it o.O why wouldnt they O.o

[Eternal_Doom]

OS seems fine its the community thats going berserk o.o crying over every last little thing that goes wrong blamming OS staff instead of themselves o.O no of course not we didnt do antyhing o.o except pester and add more stress to the staff o.o.....I'm sure they know whats wrong and are planning on fixing it o.O why wouldnt they O.o

I don't understand how it's the player's fault for the whole community's client to shut down...

One more thing, Class Balance something I look forward to in all MMOs I play, but Fiesta is an exception since according to some people, your not allowed to expect something that can improve the game.

Overall, I dislike the way OS run the game. The only GMs/CSRs that have ever contacted anyone in the forums or in game (With the exclusion of news and announcements) are:

Dakkon: - Left / Fired. I have no idea why, he was THE most amazing GM, and nobody can replace him :( He saw that there were things wrong with the game, but inconviniently left (Or was fired, since nobody knows)
Steam: (Not sure. Wasn't here when he was but I know he communicated with the community)
Silky: One of the very few who ever reads the forum but (No offence or anything,) always replies disheartingly "Reassuring", and always saying that new content is on its way, such as the cap raise but when do we get it? thats the important thing, and if it will bring more problems than improvements...
Rayse: I have seen him fairly active in game recently, I saw him a few days ago and yesterday, which was very fun since pretty much all of Elderine were playing Hide and Seek and he kept warping to different places so nobody else could find him >_>

My main problem is the cash shop. Yes we know it keeps the game running and free, but whats the point of running the game when you ignore your customers and throw their money away on trying to find ways of making more money? Without putting any towards improving and fixing what is already made, but still needs a bit of tweaking? And for goodness sake, PLEASE STOP SPAMMING YOUR DEAL OF THE DAY. -_-" Whenever I hear that noise when an announcement pops up, I used to look at the top of my screen to see that there is an event or something useful going on, but now I never look up unless its in Gold Hill KQ because I know that it will be:

"Check out the new *Whatever* in the Fiesta Store!"
Or
"*Whatever" has been added to Remi's Rare Finds! Play now for a chance to win!"

It sickens me to see a once great game company turn into a money grabbing contest...

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

I don't understand how it's the player's fault for the whole community's client to shut down...

One more thing, Class Balance something I look forward to in all MMOs I play, but Fiesta is an exception since according to some people, your not allowed to expect something that can improve the game.

Overall, I dislike the way OS run the game. The only GMs/CSRs that have ever contacted anyone in the forums or in game (With the exclusion of news and announcements) are:

Dakkon: - Left / Fired. I have no idea why, he was THE most amazing GM, and nobody can replace him :( He saw that there were things wrong with the game, but inconviniently left (Or was fired, since nobody knows)
Steam: (Not sure. Wasn't here when he was but I know he communicated with the community)
Silky: One of the very few who ever reads the forum but (No offence or anything,) always replies disheartingly "Reassuring", and always saying that new content is on its way, such as the cap raise but when do we get it? thats the important thing, and if it will bring more problems than improvements...
Rayse: I have seen him fairly active in game recently, I saw him a few days ago and yesterday, which was very fun since pretty much all of Elderine were playing Hide and Seek and he kept warping to different places so nobody else could find him >_>

My main problem is the cash shop. Yes we know it keeps the game running and free, but whats the point of running the game when you ignore your customers and throw their money away on trying to find ways of making more money? Without putting any towards improving and fixing what is already made, but still needs a bit of tweaking? And for goodness sake, PLEASE STOP SPAMMING YOUR DEAL OF THE DAY. -_-" Whenever I hear that noise when an announcement pops up, I used to look at the top of my screen to see that there is an event or something useful going on, but now I never look up unless its in Gold Hill KQ because I know that it will be:

"Check out the new *Whatever* in the Fiesta Store!"
Or
"*Whatever" has been added to Remi's Rare Finds! Play now for a chance to win!"

It sickens me to see a once great game company turn into a money grabbing contest...

Class Ballance haha that keeps comming up you should go make a letter to the dev team o.O complaining just doesnt do anything now does it o.o.....

dakkon haha....Ep1c FaIl

silky is doing so much for everyone Q.Q tsk tsk i dont think you need a GM 24 hours a day holding your hand like dakkon o.o or running around summoning mobs o.O

i do agree with u on the whole notice thing does get pestering at times but then again it's part of the game and i guess games changed alot in a year x)

[Eternal_Doom]

Class Ballance haha that keeps comming up you should go make a letter to the dev team o.O complaining just doesnt do anything now does it o.o.....

dakkon haha....Ep1c FaIl

silky is doing so much for everyone Q.Q tsk tsk i dont think you need a GM 24 hours a day holding your hand like dakkon o.o or running around summoning mobs o.O

i do agree with u on the whole notice thing does get pestering at times but then again it's part of the game and i guess games changed alot in a year x)

I remember a while ago somebody did send a letter to OnsOn saying how the game is failing in terms of balance and alot of other things. The thread was closed and deleted -_-

Dakkon haha...Ep1c FaIl? Tell that to everyone else who was here before he left...You'll get your backside kicked ;)

Yes silky is doing a hell of alot for everyone and I appreciate that. No I don't need a GM 24/7 but when there is an extreme problem, the players can do nothing but wait until the GMs do something. And btw Ive just noticed silky is on during a weekend o.o Aren't you off work at weekends?

Yes OS really did change around November last year. And the difference could fill the grand canyon o.o

[GM_Pilkysico]

Yes silky is doing a hell of alot for everyone and I appreciate that. No I don't need a GM 24/7 but when there is an extreme problem, the players can do nothing but wait until the GMs do something. And btw Ive just noticed silky is on during a weekend o.o Aren't you off work at weekends?


Yes I'm off. I have a 4 Day weekend actually but guess what, I'm still doing my job. This is a 24/7 Serviced game. Anyone who thinks it's a 9-5 job will not survive in this type of business. You can go ahead and count my overtime hours and sweat put into servicing this game (that goes for the entire company, not just me).

[Stacey]

Ah Silky, you have restored my faith in OS.

Thank you for caring about the community and the game...:D

[DF001]

Silky only replayed to one of the posts.

;)

[kamisama-san]

The items in the shops and stuff are expensive because they need the money so they can add more stuff onto the game like a server.

[Eternal_Doom]

Yes I'm off. I have a 4 Day weekend actually but guess what, I'm still doing my job. This is a 24/7 Serviced game. Anyone who thinks it's a 9-5 job will not survive in this type of business. You can go ahead and count my overtime hours and sweat put into servicing this game (that goes for the entire company, not just me).




Ah Silky, you have restored my faith in OS.

Thank you for caring about the community and the game...:D

Quoted so I don't have to type a long thank you message >_>

I LUVZ Fiesta, but I don't want it to start going downhill so far that it found out it's to fat to climb back up :( And I've seen that happen to another MMO that was F2P, they focused mainly on the Item Mall and a quest at level 70 was to buy some sort of item from it. (AKA 3p1c p|-|41|)

P.S: I know that was a weird way to end a post but, eh, Im strange...Sue me :)

[Miazma]

I think Silky NEVER sleeps. Example: The other night Teva server died, a thread was created on the forums and the 3rd person to post on that thread was Silky reassuring us that the problem was being looked into.

[cercia]

Dakkon haha...Ep1c FaIl? Tell that to everyone else who was here before he left...You'll get your backside kicked ;)

As much as I dislike Fayt, I do agree with him on the issue of Dakkon.

And yes, both of us were around during Dakkon's time. I remember the "Dakkon Suit Day" that Dakkon held, and my (currently) 60 archer met Fayt in BoD back when she was 51 and Fayt's Leon was at the upper end of 59.

My understanding is that Dakkon violated a Nondisclosure Agreement, and that's tantamount to treason for a company. His actions cost several GLs and GMs their status/jobs, probably cut down on the GMs'/GLs' ability to do things in game, and created an uproar over his termination that has lasted for a significant time after his departure.

He was a manipulative jerk, and I blame him entirely for the lengthy hiatus of little to no GM/Player interaction - even as recently as three or four months ago, there was a shouting match in Teva's Elderine over his firing that divided the town. As such, it is unrealistic to expect the GMs to be able to do what they once did. Especially when a recent event was decried as "lame" and "boring," though the older players had been looking forward to it for some time.


Silkypico is right - game companies aren't just a 9-5 job, they're a lifestyle commitment. Would you stay at a job from 10pm until 2am for some scheduled maintenance? Weekly? You don't get that from casual people. It is a lifestyle that receives little to no thanks. Heck, programming in general receives little to no thanks, and game companies work their employees harder than the average company.


This doesn't mean I think they're flawless. Everyone can get hit by an "Oo! Shiney!" and a lot of times, it feels like that's what OS is doing. But we have to remember that they only have so much leeway with the game, and must negotiate everything else.
Though, if they treat us like idiots, I will gladly take up the banner of griping back. And, when they approach us respectfully for input (as can be seen in the suggestion thread), I will offer my input in a respectful manner.

[palmfruits]

1) Contradiction

Not necessarily. You can't dislike the way OS says that there will be things on the web site when they aren't there in a timely fashion (example: a leaderboard exclusive to a certain event) or the addition of things for Cash Shop instead of some other things that need major fixing in the game; BUT you can still love the game for it being enjoyable. It may not necessarily be as enjoyable because of lack of resources, but maybe your in-game friends, graphics, PVP and whatnot make you enjoy the game.

Anyway I don't like how BnB is still in Beta. Yeah this is the Fiesta thread, but we're talking about all of OS, right? I know that BnB must not be the most popular game, since the threads in BnB section aren't active and people constantly say it's boring. My point is that if you're going to have this game, might as well just release everything. I mean, most of it you buy by using SC, in the end OS should win some, right? I'm sure people would buy the games.

I just don't understand having a game and just abandoning it. Might as well just not have the game here o.o but hopefully OS has something in mind to work it all out :)

[inferno10000]

OMFG i love u all <333 keep those feelings going and express yourself

p.s.

I was also around when dakkon was, and HELL he even showed up to my wedding..... ppl got dced so he had to bring them back LOL

also i agree with many of you that
1) outspark is special in its own way.

also could someone put up a link on requirements for being a GM. If i could get that i'll put up a new section on the thread about GM's and try to help OS get some more ppl on thier payrole that are willing to participate in the development of OS. (thats if they need more ppl)

Also

Teva just got a new GM like 2 or 3 weeks ago name something like Mortar or Motor or something close to that.......... WHEN WAS THIS.... i saw her with my own eyes even the 12k hp and everything so maybe if we had more info on who are current gms maybe we can get them MORE INVOLVED with the ppl of OS.

[lenore_lurks]

Motors has been around for awhile. I think they basically oversee things - they're totally *ninja*.

OS got a few new GM's recently. Have a search around the OS profile pages and friend them lol.

[Stacey]

Honestly, I wonder how all this negativity is affecting the staff...

Perhaps soon, they may just get fed up with the community not appreciating them and before Fiesta could've reached its full potential, they'll get up and leave...

Oh please, say it isn't so...

[avion210]

Honestly, I wonder how all this negativity is affecting the staff...

Perhaps soon, they may just get fed up with the community not appreciating them and before Fiesta could've reached its full potential, they'll get up and leave...

Oh please, say it isn't so...

In this economy, no sane person would leave a good paying job (Just an opinion compared to working at a fastfood place) for unemployment simply because a bunch of would be teenagers don't like them...

[Stacey]

In this economy, no sane person would leave a good paying job (Just an opinion compared to working at a fastfood place) for unemployment simply because a bunch of would be teenagers don't like them...

Ah, you are right:D. But with the way people seem to be bashing at the staff, I can't help but think for the worst...

[inferno10000]

i don't want to be negative about it or anything i'm just trying to get ppls opions as well maybe all of this will be a wake up call to OS and or maybe just inspire them to do better. Every company goes though a rough patch, question is will OS be big enough to overcome it.

p.s.

i didn't think that the No's would be winning by so much lol

[viorexx]

we are all getting really negative in this forum. those that have been here for over 6 month can say that the GM need more training, the CS is getting out of hand, class balancing is a joke, and the in game content is lacking. there has not been any good events in a long time.
let all just have fun playing this game. if you think you dont like it then just leave and come back after several months.
if nothing has changed then leave for good.
no one is keeping you here.

maybe the question should be what is keeping you here.
it cant be the CS. it might be your friends but most of them are leaving.
is it the entertainment. can it be that you want to see what the new content will be added.


there are just to many reason you might want to stay.
we are voicing our thought but try to keep in mind that we dont know what is going on in the business called outspark.
they are not in this business to loss money but to make a profit.

i want to thank the outpark and there staff for all the work that is put into this game.
there is just too much negative threads going around. let just hope that the new angle and demon event is going to be really interesting.
we also have to hope that the cap raise next month ( i hope) will balance thing out and bring tons of fun for the higher lvls.

[MelvinUnderBelly]

New Servers take months to prep. It's not as easy as flipping a switch.

I guess Nekopon, Pandaxtor, silvershield, Rayse, and Tokara don't count?

just you silky all your fault should be vary sad

[politoad]

there doing ok but needs some work >D

[FlashBoom]

i used to play a p2p game, and they were a business just like os, but they aimed to keep players happy. maybe because they make money reguardless cuz its p2p. and want to keep players happy so they stay and keep spending money.

and f2p games have to try and make players buy extra items to make money.


but i think if f2p games did both, like only concentrate 1/2 as much on CS items, and do things to keep players happy, they might do better. the happier players are= the longer they stay in game and more willing they are to support them. because if a player quits the game, they will make no more money from them.
this is what i think OS should be doing. this game could be so much better if they put more time into solid bug fixes and additions.

like i seen earlier, they should hire more ppl, y not hire team just for advertising/making and dealing w/ the cash shop items, and rest go towards game play?
maybe have a team to find/fixing glitches and bugs, and others running ingame events.
(tho i guess on business side, hiring more ppl would have they to pay more ppl, which would have them make less money)

i do agree OS do have great games, they are fun, but would much better if updated and fixed things. and listened to players more often.

the way im seeing OS is they are trying to get as much out of people as fast as they can before alot of ppl quit and they shut down....

well idk, thats my thoughts lol

[inferno10000]

after hearing what many ppl say i start to feel..... well sorry for silky cuz he must do alot of work and i mean ALOT enough to even work on his days off LOL. But yeah maybe OS should actually put down like a Apply for OS job or something on the web site (i don't think there is one) and get more ppl. I'm sure the Cash shop will cover it all. I remember last earth day last year they made like 30,000 sales or something at least. (they were trying to reach a goal of a certain amount) 30,000 sales ...... cheapest thing u can get at the store is like 50cents to a doller so in that one day they could have made close to a persons anual pay.

[mehe25]

Take into account that they don't have as much power, such as making updates whenever THEY want to.

[Jsonthegreat]

I'd like to see more skills like fishing, mining, smithing (to make armor) woodcutting, fletching bows, stuff like that. Kinda like runescape.

[kwadjo12]

I'd like to see more skills like fishing, mining, smithing (to make armor) woodcutting, fletching bows, stuff like that. Kinda like runescape.

LOL i hate runescape. I left runescape to play fiesta :p:cool:

[sirius666]

i do believe outspark and its staff work tremendously hard to keep players and customers happy ( you all or most of you must've heard that saying try as hard as you might but you wont suceed ).
meaning trying too hard at something to please sombody else could be a no win situation.

im not saying that os and its staff shouldn't try to please or makes us happy, but working your self to the bone 24/7 constantly trying so hard to please over 2million people something is bound to go wrong , not everyone agrees on the same thing so there is the problem.

i do feel that when something goes wrong it often gets over looked and that there is a simple solution to the problem, but this isn't always the case. sometimes the problem gets out of hand, os and its staff fail to realise that there is infact a problem and or fail to keep us posted on the problem.

i believe if os and its staff focused a little bit more on the technical side of the game to make it run smoother more people would be happy.

[tsukibanii]

I'm quite content on how outspark is running. Sure there a number of things that needs fixing but no one and nothing is really perfect.

In my opinion, Outspark is doing a great job. People whine that OS doesn't listen to their customers but I find it not the case. Sure, it may take them quite a while to address a certain problem but they still address it. People whine that they get ignored, but have you considered asking yourself "is the thing i'm complaining about a real huggee concern. Is it worth dropping all whatever GMs are doing just to address your concern?" (lol i know i'll get flamed but the thread starter asked for opinions righttt >.>)

I find it contradicting also that some say OS doesn't train their staff properly... and others saying OS needs to massive hire people...lack of staff~ In my opinion, training takes time and dedication. When you massive hire, wouldn't it affect training quality as well? Besides, I find it more logical to gradual hire, train and hone their skills as oppose to getting a whole bunch of staff......

Some also say that OS focuses on cash shops so mucch as oppose to fixing bugs, adding new contents, etc.... Well, OS is a business, we all know that and the lack of updates, fixes, etc., we have to remember that these things does not just happen in a flash. They take time. I know, I don't fully know how staffs run their games. What I'm trying to say is that there is alot of "work at the back/behind the scenes" going on that we, or atleast I dont know. These behind the scenes work, I assume, are the bug fixes and updates. We often miss to realize that...

Last point is that I also see some complaining that GMs are busy with interacting with players in game or in forums, instead of fixing bugs. Yet, if there's a lack of response from the staff, we hassle them, get mad for the lack of 'word' or updates from them.... ~

Huh :/

/end rant

[mehe25]

I'd like to see more skills like fishing, mining, smithing (to make armor) woodcutting, fletching bows, stuff like that. Kinda like runescape.

This is a simple game, add those and I doubt simple will come into play with this game anymore.

[babymaker688]

Bah no matter how hard outspark works, there will always be bugs.

[inferno10000]

In my opinion, Outspark is doing a great job. People whine that OS doesn't listen to their customers but I find it not the case. Sure, it may take them quite a while to address a certain problem but they still address it. People whine that they get ignored, but have you considered asking yourself "is the thing i'm complaining about a real huggee concern. Is it worth dropping all whatever GMs are doing just to address your concern?" (lol i know i'll get flamed but the thread starter asked for opinions righttt >.>)


Your right i did ask for opions and i thank you for posting how u feel.
that goes for everyone tyvm and keep it comeing. maybe if we get lucky some random GM (besides silky) might pop in and share thier views

[Celtic_Princess]

Your right i did ask for opions and i thank you for posting how u feel.
that goes for everyone tyvm and keep it comeing. maybe if we get lucky some random GM (besides silky) might pop in and share thier views


I'm sure more of the staff has seen the thread than just Silky. :) Even if they haven't had the chance to respond yet.

Personally, I'm hoping that once the new staff members have been trained and are settled in we will see the areas that you all pointed out be picked up again. Its not that they don't care or aren't trying, but they've got a lot on their plates right now ^^

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

I'm sure more of the staff has seen the thread than just Silky. :) Even if they haven't had the chance to respond yet.

Personally, I'm hoping that once the new staff members have been trained and are settled in we will see the areas that you all pointed out be picked up again. Its not that they don't care or aren't trying, but they've got a lot on their plates right now ^^

so do yew ._. *throws pie* LMFAO

[allyyCORE]

[QUOTE=Eternal_Doom;1860801]
Dakkon haha...Ep1c FaIl? Tell that to everyone else who was here before he left...You'll get your backside kicked ;)
/QUOTE]

Dont get me wrong Doom. the all-server-wide famous Dakkon was a great GM. But he's done and gone. He himself asked us to be respectful the rest of the staff because he was obviously in the field and knows how hard it is.

I have a lot in my mind about what's goin' on with the servers and Outspark... but regardless of my opinions, I appreciate their hard work. I would seriously rather play this game over Final Fantasy Online. Enough said on that subject.

And if you think the staff have a negative view on the community, we only have ourselves to blame. Maybe if we all eased off and gave 'em a break, they'd perform a lot better than they already are. And no, it's not one of those situations where you can say "oh, it's their job, they HAVE to do it", no no no...

[fenrirloki]

this is easy to say, and nobody can refuse to agree this is true, since 1st cap raise, they did nothing but indispensable things, never try to balance game, just make more lvls, more armor to enchance, greens to enchance, all this have been exposed earlier on fiestas current state, one by chewie and 1 by me, even CSR dont have WORD, JOKER NEVER RESPOND US EVEN IF HE PROMISED 2, so far no new boss rings, no earings, gm kq sucks on rewards, fighter mock skill still bugged, 5 NEW GMS TO DO NOTHING IN GAME, i still see goldspammers, kq leechers, AT LEAST GL NEI HAD THE COURTESY TO DO GMS JOB, OS i know its a company, but the way they are taking it, its 2 bad, lack of ethics, like they did this last thing with free remis spins, they had to get almost sued to wake up and accept that they are wrong, they changued movers speed even if people bought them already, they do what they want and dont care about us, just cash, they are already rich, u saw the post they got more than 11m in 1 year?
And silky hates dakkon and his memory, he/she always get mad when hear DAKKONS name, wich was wayyy better gm, but noooooo, he/she can call all of us loosers and what outspark did?? nothing, this is pointless, they will never listen, they dont care, dont waste ur efforts citizens, peace

[avion210]

this is easy to say, and nobody can refuse to agree this is true, since 1st cap raise, they did nothing but indispensable things, never try to balance game, just make more lvls, more armor to enchance, greens to enchance, all this have been exposed earlier on fiestas current state, one by chewie and 1 by me, even CSR dont have WORD, JOKER NEVER RESPOND US EVEN IF HE PROMISED 2, so far no new boss rings, no earings, gm kq sucks on rewards, fighter mock skill still bugged, 5 NEW GMS TO DO NOTHING IN GAME, i still see goldspammers, kq leechers, AT LEAST GL NEI HAD THE COURTESY TO DO GMS JOB, OS i know its a company, but the way they are taking it, its 2 bad, lack of ethics, like they did this last thing with free remis spins, they had to get almost sued to wake up and accept that they are wrong, they changued movers speed even if people bought them already, they do what they want and dont care about us, just cash, they are already rich, u saw the post they got more than 11m in 1 year?
And silky hates dakkon and his memory, he/she always get mad when hear DAKKONS name, wich was wayyy better gm, but noooooo, he/she can call all of us loosers and what outspark did?? nothing, this is pointless, they will never listen, they dont care, dont waste ur efforts citizens, peace

Very strong words...

[inferno10000]

its a buisness and we get that they make $$$ of us but dam we don't need be messed around with. and here i though they would actually change something.... i like the idea of a event but omg its mostly advertising to thier angel and demon suits >.> (which we already have in the shop)

[Rzpect]

no i do not. it's one of the reasons i stopped playing anything.

the reason i came back today was because my sister told me about that huge count down.

i actually laughed when i got to the page with the huge "BUY NOW!" button for the angels SC set..

how i remember outspark is, very unprofessional. perhaps they've changed a bit by now, i'm not sure.

but, i remember staff would have favourites and would allow these favourites to have unreleased items, hair, etc.. which is BS.

the SC was/is way too over priced, and the amount you can buy at one time were/are ridiculous.

sure, the website's all pretty now.. but from what i saw today, outspark are still the greedy money grabbing people i knew before.

i was considering playing fiesta again.. i'm not so sure.

edit: forgot to mention, most of the things in the cash shop aren't even worth the money you pay for them..

if they showed how much the items were in dollars instead of spark cash, i doubt they'd be making as much money as they do.

honestly, was browsing the site earlier and stumbled across silkypico's birthday event, only to find out you had to buy spark cash to give him/her anything.. which i also laughed at.

really, outspark.. you don't even surprise me anymore.

anyways, rant over.. for now.

lol but irl its true tho right, to attend a friend's bday u buy him gift.

[BrokenButterfly]

lol but irl its true tho right, to attend a friend's bday u buy him gift.

of course. but silkypico is not my friend, i don't even know them, so i'm certainly not spending money on them.

i think the event was yet again another opportunity to make money.

[vandaluske]

Okay it's a buisness we understand that... But do they have to make it so obvious that they don't care? Seriously do somthing once for the community that doesn't relate to Sc what so ever. must we look forward to spending $$ for the next event? FFS I have come to far and spent way too much to just quit.

[fearmentor]

ok its a free game that relies on micro payments to keep it running.. we understand this and support u by choice.. but... think for a moment if all the non-paying players werent here... there would hardly be a community and... thats a big factor in why people play the game even paying people wouldnt stay if towns were ghost towns within game.. if your going to advertise a free 2 play game then u have to expect to cater for all players needs to an extent.. no point creating threads like.. player suggestions be heard and not even listening.. atm the forums have a negative tone to them and have taken a downward spiral where its players vs os for the large part... so creating a situation which is so obviously going to upset more players than please them...

the more people that leave the game paying or non-paying will damage the game.. as stated before yes we are here by choice and i can't speak for all of us when I say this but, does Outspark want to see how far they can push a community before it "chooses" to not play the game which I feel has a lot of promise still...

I really do like the community I've found myself within when I log into Fiesta and I'm grateful to Outspark for that, but the way things seem to be heading that won't be enough..

[fenrirloki]

lets say this, if they could fix 1 bug pear each 20000 dollars they had earn, game will be perfect already, check this out guys =)
http://corp.outspark.com/news/20080110-01.php
what we have to understand here is that they get money but i dont see results yet, just more and more sc,

[wikikaka]

fenrirloki
ets say this, if they could fix 1 bug pear each 20000 dollars they had earn, game will be perfect already, check this out guys =)
http://corp.outspark.com/news/20080110-01.php
what we have to understand here is that they get money but i dont see results yet, just more and more sc,

I believe you have not done any computer programming to pass such negative remark. Checking bugs from 10k lines of programming code is a tideous job. It is not about money but about time and effort.

As to your second comment about them getting money. OS is a business they secure the loan and now it is their capital. They need this money to secure rights for the games, servers, office spaces and salary for staffs. They need to make money to pay back the loan and to ensure that there is profic too.

[lordalden]

I wanted to pop in and say real quick-like: This thread has potential for insight, but in it's current state, some of the topics of debate could swing out of control. Let's please avoid this, and discuss matters peacefully, so that the staff can get good use out of a thread whose intent(I assume) is meant to gather feedback. I would actually love it if this would happen, and consider adding some relevant points to my monthly turn in.(See above sticky.)

That said, coming from a long-time player of Outspark games, as well as a huge participating member of the forums: I will say I greatly enjoy how Outspark runs the ship. They do listen to player feedback(even if they don't outrightly cite inspiration or the like), contrary to some thoughts. I've seen this in action in the past. Their staff members get to know a community and bond with the community, and vice versa. They care, and that's something that says a lot.

I will also say though, of course things could always use tweaks and improvements. I'm one of those guys that loves to jump into a playground and test the swings(in mathematical terms), and whatnot, but I can see the value of all forms of feedback, and that's why I've made my thread stickied at the top.

I would love to see you guys tell me, and Outspark, how they can improve their games for you in a way that wouldn't be imbalancing. I know we all want Fighters/Archers/Mages/Clerics to be the best, but speaking in a purely objective manner, that's only going to set things back farther.

So when you ask yourself: "Do you like the way Outspark is running things?" I feel you also have to ask yourself "How could I improve the way they're running things without messing something else up in the process?". Of course I'm saying this purely as a player, because I'm concerned about the games too. I play the games and enjoy them just as much as you guys, but I, as a player, don't want one fix here to cause a problem there.

/endrant

P.S. You guys rock, let's see some good think tanking here!

[KateeHellen]

I wanted to pop in and say real quick-like: This thread has potential for insight, but in it's current state, some of the topics of debate could swing out of control. Let's please avoid this, and discuss matters peacefully, so that the staff can get good use out of a thread whose intent(I assume) is meant to gather feedback. I would actually love it if this would happen, and consider adding some relevant points to my monthly turn in.(See above sticky.)

That said, coming from a long-time player of Outspark games, as well as a huge participating member of the forums: I will say I greatly enjoy how Outspark runs the ship. They do listen to player feedback(even if they don't outrightly cite inspiration or the like), contrary to some thoughts. I've seen this in action in the past. Their staff members get to know a community and bond with the community, and vice versa. They care, and that's something that says a lot.

I will also say though, of course things could always use tweaks and improvements. I'm one of those guys that loves to jump into a playground and test the swings(in mathematical terms), and whatnot, but I can see the value of all forms of feedback, and that's why I've made my thread stickied at the top.

I would love to see you guys tell me, and Outspark, how they can improve their games for you in a way that wouldn't be imbalancing. I know we all want Fighters/Archers/Mages/Clerics to be the best, but speaking in a purely objective manner, that's only going to set things back farther.

So when you ask yourself: "Do you like the way Outspark is running things?" I feel you also have to ask yourself "How could I improve the way they're running things without messing something else up in the process?". Of course I'm saying this purely as a player, because I'm concerned about the games too. I play the games and enjoy them just as much as you guys, but I, as a player, don't want one fix here to cause a problem there.

/endrant

P.S. You guys rock, let's see some good think tanking here!

Alden whit all due respect but you sound like you speak about OS from summer 2007 time period NOT OS 2009 :(.
I can only envy your believing in them because my trust in OS staff was shattered in dust after i saw how they "fullfill" many promisses of change.
I really fail to understand this trust factor toward OS staff still showing up at this forum by certain group of players but perhaps staff authority factor <whit everything what is behind this> is play here also significant role. Anyway i really suggest you to reegsamin some feedback threads made in last three months and really see "how helpfull" staff were...

[cercia]

I believe you have not done any computer programming to pass such negative remark. Checking bugs from 10k lines of programming code is a tideous job. It is not about money but about time and effort.

10k lines of code? That's nothing.

10k pages of code? That's tedious. And probably a smidge closer to what OOS actually has to go through to track down the bugs.

[fenrirloki]

if any of you guys know something about programming, you know that each part is related do specific code, and its its not like 1 text document where all is storaged, and dont come and tell me that adding the link to "accept quest" is 2 hard, the dam quest of Pillar of light lvl 85+ is bugged since cap raise, almost half year ago, and how in the world they rebugged the quest letter for bran 1? it was working good 2 months ago.. however i still wonder why gms do all day? why ppl keep leeching kq? goldspammers etc, they will never answer this , never, they just respond what wont make look them bad, and for the rest run and hide like CSR JOKER did, he promised us answers, but each time we say hey pls... hes gone

[cercia]

if any of you guys know something about programming, you know that each part is related do specific code, and its its not like 1 text document where all is storaged, and dont come and tell me that adding the link to "accept quest" is 2 hard, the dam quest of Pillar of light lvl 85+ is bugged since cap raise, almost half year ago, and how in the world they rebugged the quest letter for bran 1? it was working good 2 months ago.. however i still wonder why gms do all day? why ppl keep leeching kq? goldspammers etc, they will never answer this , never, they just respond what wont make look them bad, and for the rest run and hide like CSR JOKER did, he promised us answers, but each time we say hey pls... hes gone

Firstly, none of us can see the exact code, all we can do is attempt to determine what the code is supposed to do. Not to mention, reverse engineering the code is a violation of the OS ToS.
Further still, OS doesn't actually handle the code for things like the 85 quest; OnsOnSoft does. So, just feed the message back to OS that the bug is there, and they'll pass it on to OOS, where it will be added to their list of bugs and they'll get to it when they deem it necessary/acceptable.

Rebugging a quest can be done easily. Its typically a flaw known as "bad versioning," wherein someone accidentally forgets to get the latest code and overwrites what is already fixed with old code. It happens to even the best of programmers when a large project such as Fiesta is involved.

People leeching a KQ has nothing to do with OS. That is a community issue, and there have been several threads that have brainstormed and critiqued suggestions so that something may be sent to OS as a requested solution. Some players even take an active hand in dragging monsters back to the leechers to kill them.

Keeping goldspammers removed is like keeping hackers from hacking. No matter what the defenses, the offenders have the advantage in circumnavigation. The GMs and OS as a whole do what they can.

As to CSR_Joker not responding, it is possible that he simply forgot, or that you have bad timing. The .bin issue has probably dominated their QA time in the past week, so I suspect most other issues were backburnered (but recorded) to allow Fiesta to become replayable for extended periods of time.

[vandaluske]

if any of you guys know something about programming, you know that each part is related do specific code, and its its not like 1 text document where all is storaged, and dont come and tell me that adding the link to "accept quest" is 2 hard, the dam quest of Pillar of light lvl 85+ is bugged since cap raise, almost half year ago, and how in the world they rebugged the quest letter for bran 1? it was working good 2 months ago.. however i still wonder why gms do all day? why ppl keep leeching kq? goldspammers etc, they will never answer this , never, they just respond what wont make look them bad, and for the rest run and hide like CSR JOKER did, he promised us answers, but each time we say hey pls... hes gone

Seriously some of these bugs have been here for ages... and the new ones? Please FFS dont even release a patch if its going to bring more bugs. i mean shiz Dont even give us anymore new content fix the Bugs first. We never get answers its gettin to the point were its soo pathetic. Why cant we the ''community' just work with Os and ask us how we want to play our game?
And actually respond and show action..

[inferno10000]

lets say this, if they could fix 1 bug pear each 20000 dollars they had earn, game will be perfect already, check this out guys =)
http://corp.outspark.com/news/20080110-01.php
what we have to understand here is that they get money but i dont see results yet, just more and more sc,

i would think with 11million (last year) they should be able to hire some more staff.

[FlashBoom]

for all you "well OS is a business"
well for businesses that sell things(because OS is basically selling us the game in a sense)
they know "the customer is always right" where as the players are the customers, regaurdless if they buy sc or not, because eventually everyone buys some sc. and like i seen earlier, "the non sc or light sc buyers help make up the community" meaning if they left, no one would play because the main reason ppl play and stay on MMOs are the community

i also agree that back when i started in jan08, the game was alot better. They didnt push cs items as much, they did more events, actually fixed things during maint. they have just been taking turns for the worse.

lets look @ last couple events:
helga event:to beat helga you have to spend ALOT of sc
silky birthday: have to send him sc card things
angels and demons: just to promote angel/demon set items

i have to shake my head @ them making helga respawn daily(post event) to make more money lol

like i was saying in previous post, you have to keep the consumers happy, before they leave and just shut down and run w/ wha money thy ave and prolly try again w/ different company/games. so in a business way of looking @ it i think maybe do things the players want, and maybe every 2-3weeks release a new sc item.

i also dont like how they never communicate anything w/ thier customers, except new cs item releases.......

and maybe what they dont think of is that there are ways to get back @ the business for selling falty products..people might try and drive new players away from the game(by pking em, ksing em, being mean, w/e), or just go on different sites and leave really bad reviews about the game, or maybe even boycott buying SC.

[zephyr_wind]

LOL i hate runescape. I left runescape to play fiesta :p:cool:

I took my friend from runescape to play fiesta. :cool:

[Hades_Sith_Lord]

u know what cercia? we are sick of that lame excuse "onsoft do stuff os dont" we have news for you, who report the bugs so they can be fixed? OS, so if it not fixed its because OS didnt do the report, when u know how it works talk if not, give ur opinion, u have no idea who have worked as GM before and know all the dirty tricks of this company

[cercia]

u know what cercia? we are sick of that lame excuse "onsoft do stuff os dont" we have news for you, who report the bugs so they can be fixed? OS, so if it not fixed its because OS didnt do the report, when u know how it works talk if not, give ur opinion, u have no idea who have worked as GM before and know all the dirty tricks of this company

And do you know that they don't routinely send a bug report to OOS? And, from there, how long it takes OOS's developers to track down the bug in the (mostly) Stateside version and then fix, test, and release it? I doubt it. Do I? No. Do I have a pretty good idea? I'd have to say I do, since I'm in the programming industry.

I will hush when people start realizing that OS is simply a manager while OOS is corporate.

From the various postings here, it seems that will be another few years yet.

[inferno10000]

ok guys play nice LOL. Also thank you everyone for ur post and ur votes currently there is 18 that they like it, 19 that think my thread is stupid, and a HUGE 80 that say they don't like it...... wow maybe if we get like 200 no might be a good wake up call for OS lol

[DF001]

ok guys play nice LOL. Also thank you everyone for ur post and ur votes currently there is 18 that they like it, 19 that think my thread is stupid, and a HUGE 80 that say they don't like it...... wow maybe if we get like 200 no might be a good wake up call for OS lol

Not really, the 10/28 patch thread got 500 votes against that patch and not even one response from the staff. :)

[Stacey]

ok guys play nice LOL. Also thank you everyone for ur post and ur votes currently there is 18 that they like it, 19 that think my thread is stupid, and a HUGE 80 that say they don't like it...... wow maybe if we get like 200 no might be a good wake up call for OS lol

Couldn't there have been a neutral option? I have mixed feelings about how the things are ran.

However, I don't think this thread is stupid at all. You're right. Perhaps this will be a good wake up call for OS. ;)



Not really, the 10/28 patch thread got 500 votes against that patch and not even one response from the staff. -DF001

Even if the staff doesn't respond, they still could've seen this thread. :D

[inferno10000]

well this is "do u like how outspark is running things".. its a thread name that sticks out lol. >.> and maybe i should have put in a neutral one, but i say if there isn't one just go with No LOL... (yah know where i stand)

[Celtic_Princess]

Not really, the 10/28 patch thread got 500 votes against that patch and not even one response from the staff.

Even if staff does not participate in a thread actively, it does not mean that they do not see it or that they do not take it into consideration. As a CL my job is to act as a go between for user concerns and staff as well as keep the forums tidy...so when I make my report I include player concerns (Much like LordAlden does) and links to threads where they can read more on the subject.

So, even if you dont see a post from a user with a blue name, it doesn't mean the thread or the ideas are being ignored.

@Inferno- those that couldn't choose yes or no probably went with the last option instead of choosing a side.

[cercia]

@Inferno- those that couldn't choose yes or no probably went with the last option instead of choosing a side.

Or, as in my case, simply haven't voted.

My answer would be "Some things I like, some things I see improvement on, and some things I think they could do better on."