About the Cash shop

[Gravvi]

Ok, something i have been wondering is how do we pay for it. Because like most people playing we can't use the cash shop. Is there a way you can provide and alternative way to purchase some of the items there? It would be much appreciated. I have heard that the cash shop will be selling teh stat reset points and empowerment reset points, I desperatly need one and am lvl 28. I have really fubar'd my stats and i would really like to reset them and starting over would take way to long to redo. I do not have a credit card or a paypal account, so i can't pay like most people can.

[lilskaterdud3]

Already asked Cretz that, he said it's secret ^^ Most likely paypal. :P

[Cyrogen]

I'd like to be able to buy cards in game stores to get some points for items (sort of like warcraft, the Wii, City of Heroes, etc), but this game might not be mainstream enough to make that option worthwhile for them.

I don't have a credit card or paypal at the moment.

[Roxias]

I'd like to be able to buy cards in game stores to get some points for items (sort of like warcraft, the Wii, City of Heroes, etc), but this game might not be mainstream enough to make that option worthwhile for them.

I don't have a credit card or paypal at the moment.
That is why it will be for us "adult" folks ^_^.

[Gravvi]

but if only adults can use it then it isn't fair to anyone underage because we can't pay for certain things. Yes i don't want everything available in an alternative way. Just like teh Stat reset points.

[Coalinghostout]

I knew these money-hungry GMs would have a Stat Reset Scroll or w/e.

They owe me and every other Cleric that has read on the character info page that "Cleric's Main Attribute is INT" Which it clearly IS NOT.

I have talked to GM_Dakkon about it, here let me copy-paste it for you. "Sir I have reported this misinformation to my supervisor and it is being looked into.

As for 'making' you put points into it.

I regret to inform you that we didn't 'make' you do anything, the information placed on that page is for players to get a general idea of what works for what classes. The choice remains with the player to decide on whether to follow it or not. While I will admit an error in what is listed as the primary stat, it was your choice to go with that stat."

"(ever think it may not have been written by a GM), or that maybe it was an honest mistake on the part of the writer. Will do nothing to aid your case in this matter."

"Finally on the subject of stat resets. No stat resets will be issued. I will say however that many players are desiring to re arrange their stats and we are looking into possible options for that very thing."


Man I am not happy. I hope to see a free stat reset in my inventory.

I have not been on since I sent the message because there is no sense in it (Added all points to INT 'till lvl 8 when I asked a high level cleric about what is best and I was told INT is not, SPR and END is. To confirm this I looked on the forums.)

[Gravvi]

ok get back on topic. This isn't about your screw ups. Alot of poeple made them. This topic is just to show Why or why not u want an alternative option to some of the cash shop items.

[Tasuke]

Lol..

You know, people are just going to buy the stat reset, and sell it to you for probably 500s.

Stop worrying about the credit cards.

[Nakama]

Seriously, if you want cash shop items and have no access to a paypal account or a credit card then save up your silvers and buy one with in-game money. If you can't then well, too bad? Fiesta has got to make money somehow right? Just be glad that Fiesta is a FREE MMORPG. Enough with the complaining/whining already kiddies.

[Ccookie]

You guys crack me up lol.

[Stenbumling]

No, if it would, they would have to make the game p2p.

[Gravvi]

ok things that people want like colors and new outfits and stuff would be fine in a cash shop poeple would buy them. But from what i can figure stat resets aren't scrolls so how can u sell them. You won't be able to. And yes fiesta needs to make money but some things that people from all ages need shouldn't need cash to buy. Stat reset, Like someone posted about what the recommended stat is int. Well everyone goes for teh recommended stat. SO there is a screwup. U could accidently place something in the wrong spot or find out that adding to a certain stat is useless. Plus people would like to change their build the higher lvl they get because we don't know what our base stats will end up like. I don't know what my base stats will be in 3 lvls. So if i wanted to even something i couldn't do so because my str could be 29 points ahead of whatever i am trying to get to balance it. And i don't think someone lvl 10-29 can get 500S anytime soon. I do thank you for your opinions please keep them coming.

[Jhanniss]

Why do so many people want to ruin this game further with their own needs, wants, and desires? Seriously. How do you people, demanding your alternative payment methods, expect the game to continue if it's already free to play? You think money grows on trees?

The game has been without a main source of funding for some time now. Do you expect it to continue without a source of income? You complain about the lack of GMs around, you complain about the lack of content, you complain about so many things and yet you demand your alternative source of payment other than real funds. How do you think and why do you think the game has so much lacking? Because it's on something called a BUDGET. If they had more money you'd see an obvious change in everything

Shame on you for trying to ruin this fine game with your tainted hands.

This game wouldn't last very long without real money. If you don't have a credit card then get a paypal account. That is usually an alternative method of payment for many F2P games out there.

Don't have a bank account either? Then stop *****ing and take what you've gotten so far because it means you're far to young to understand and appreciate this game for what it is. Let the adults enjoy it and stop crying about "its not fair" because you obviously haven't gotten far enough in life to understand the importance of the Cash Shop for the continued playability of Fiesta Online.

[Gravvi]

Read it again i said alternative to some of the things in the cash shop. And if it is free they can do what most mmo's do. Ask for donations. And people who can't pay for the stat and reset points will just leave and fiesta will die anyway. There are some things that should be in cash shops and some that shouldn't. Umm i have a bank account but no credit/debit card or paypal. And don't swear on the forums. I do appreciate the game but there are somethings that need to be taken into consideration. If everyone were given 1 free stat reset then i could understand the rest in a cash shop but they won't even let us get that. That is the one reason somethings should have an alternative way. I am not saying all have to have an alternative way just a couple of things.

If people liked fiesta like they say then let them donate to keep it running. There are enough people here that it could easily stay running with donations. Even 5$ from people would be enough to contribute to this game staying alive. And how do u pay a paypal with a freaking credit card/debit card. The way u are describing it is paypal isn't real money. So think next time before you speak. Because what you said kinda contradicts itself. Plus look at the world we live in. Rich people can get whatever they want and people like me who don't have alot of money can't get anything.

If you look at other posts people do think more gm's would be nice. If they need money they can ask for donations. If it was possible i would donate. But it isn't. And if only certain people can use the cash shop that doesn't make the game fair nor fun now would it. I honestly love the game. There are just some things that need some explaination. SOmething in the game such as the stat reset can become a necessity. SOmething that is a necessity shouldn't need to be purchased. Clothe colors is a differnt thing. You don't need new clothes colors or new mounts.

[Jhanniss]

Thanks for the attempted help but I'm already well aware of things and don't need it.

I stand by what I've said and will not recall it. If you wish to take personal offense to it then you are welcome to do such. However the truth is the truth and many people are not seeing the reason behind F2P.

By all means, make the game P2P and make the Cash Shop an alternative then, I wouldn't mind that either but I know that won't happen.

[Cr4zyCr4ck4]

Why do so many people want to ruin this game further with their own needs, wants, and desires? Seriously. How do you people, demanding your alternative payment methods, expect the game to continue if it's already free to play? You think money grows on trees?

The game has been without a main source of funding for some time now. Do you expect it to continue without a source of income? You complain about the lack of GMs around, you complain about the lack of content, you complain about so many things and yet you demand your alternative source of payment other than real funds. How do you think and why do you think the game has so much lacking? Because it's on something called a BUDGET. If they had more money you'd see an obvious change in everything

Shame on you for trying to ruin this fine game with your tainted hands.

This game wouldn't last very long without real money. If you don't have a credit card then get a paypal account. That is usually an alternative method of payment for many F2P games out there.

Don't have a bank account either? Then stop *****ing and take what you've gotten so far because it means you're far to young to understand and appreciate this game for what it is. Let the adults enjoy it and stop crying about "its not fair" because you obviously haven't gotten far enough in life to understand the importance of the Cash Shop for the continued playability of Fiesta Online.

Hey do you not realise what these people are talking about is another way to PUMP money into the game?! I don't see why you think they are ruining it... You have got to slow down and actually READ what they are saying. Instead you guys go off into this whole other world and try to make these kids feel bad. Sad really. If you think that makes you feel better then that's great... -.-

[Leedles]

I don't think he's trying to make the kids feel bad - he's pointing out that money doesn't grow on trees - Fiesta DOES need some form of cash inflow to keep going.

As for an alternative, I don't see anyone posting any ideas for Outspark. Or, I guess they're supposed to do it all? If you want to see something implimented, think the whole thing through before you just complain. You want an alternative, but you're not saying what kind of alternatives there could be.

I disagree with the idea of an alternative, personally. I don't think that the company will put something you absolutely NEED to play and enjoy the game in the cash shop - that'd be counter-productive and totally ruin the free to play. You may think you NEED it - but a stat reset is not needed to enjoy the game. You have options: you can continue on and build in the correct areas or you can store all your money and items in your box and restart your character.


On the note of the company putting the wrong stat up, it sucks that sometimes human errors happen. I'm torn on whether they should give a free stat reset to people effected - on one hand, they DID make a mistake, but on the other it IS your decision ultimately what you do with your character. It would not be fair to give a free stat reset only to some and not all though, so I doubt it'll happen.

[TastyTapioca]

Alternative form of payment doesn't sound bad to me. In a way it makes sense because it opens up more payment methods to more players. If it was just credit card it would shut out about half the population who play Fiesta. I think PayPal and Banking would be good alternative forms of payment methods. I don't know if there are others but I'd love to see what they have in store for it. I can't wait to purchase! :D

[Gravvi]

can we send cash to the company. I mean any form that does not require a bank or credit card. Paypal still requires a credit card/debit card and or a bank account. I just think that some things shouldn't need to be in the cash shop. Like what i have stated before. But then again.

And as for them messing up. Well yes it is our decision. We are going to follow what the game says we use. Its like making a pure healer that requires int to do stuff putting all str and can't do anything. And yes if some people got their stat reset they would be able to play more efficently and it would shut half the people up.(probably me too about the stat part) But when u get to a certain lvl, if you didn't put your stats in the correct area's you will be struggling like i have. And it takes forever to relvl a character. It wouldn't matter if you have your equips because you won't be able to use them. If you could pay Silver or whatever depending on you lvl for a stat reset it would make teh game more enjoyable. I do understand where everyone is coming from to an extent. Keep your opinions coming and no flaring other people. And lets stop the quoting. Just post your opinion why you think something. You are free to post why you dissagree with someone. But don't quote and flare someone it is extremely rude.

[Tasuke]

That would totally ruin the game play. If I could buy a bunch of restats in-game.

I could just restat into a pure END during boss fights and switch back to a pure STR fighter if I'm soloing.

No one wants to pay like $20 for a stat reset, I also would like to have it bought some other way besides using real money, but it's not going to happen.

Some stuff you are just going to have to pay for.

[Gravvi]

well i don't think that the reset would ruin the game i think it would make it more strategic. But yes agree another way would be nice for them. And it could happen if the gms take this poll into concideration.

[Leedles]

Hrm, I'm confused now. Are we talking alternate payment methods like paying for things with ingame cash (which I'm personally against) or are we talking alternate payment methods like having a snail mail address people can send money to rather then having to pay by credit card (which I have no problems with whatsoever)?

I do understand that it's a pain to rebuild a character, but it's not impossible. I got a cleric up to lvl 20 in two nights of playing.

I hope you didn't think I was flaming - if you did, it's not my intention.

[Gravvi]

both ways of alternative. Snail mail and/or ingame cash for certain things(not everything)

[Flashrave]

well, people gots to earn a return on their game somehow

and i think that they ought to sell novelty stuff, leik costumes, hats, masks and such, not actual gear and stuff.

[Gravvi]

agree. But one thing that i really don't want is for like people to pay cash for an armor that you can't get ingame. Other mmo's if you donate money you get god weapons,armor and i think that is wrong. What this poll is for is to allow anyone to purchase those items that are in the cash shop. Because so far only people with credit/debit cards can use it.

[Gekkido]

ok. About the alternative payment thing. Anyone under the age of 18 can allways give their parents money so they can get pre-paid cards. Works like a credit card, but it has money on it allready. Somewhat like a gift card. I suggest looking into this. That is what I did befor I was 18 and it worked just fine.

Tootles.

[manji2501]

hmm..Just do some searching around, im shure you will find alternate ways for payment.
As for fiesta store items, i think it wont be actual gear. Because the ingame armour allready present is wicked cool (its available in higher levels only)
You people just have to be more patient.
Or have you forgotten we are STILL in OPEN BETA Phase. We havent seen even half of the game yet.
The store will probably have novelty stuff such as alternative costumes that work as armour and have some extra stats, just like the rare armour and weapons we allready have as rare drops in the game have extra stats too.
New hair colours and hair dues.. i saw in another thread in these forums someone talking about a file for an NPC barber shop, but it was not activated yet.
But, if it is an NPC, most likelly the form of payment will be ingame money, wich is correct, of course, because new haircolours and hairstyles are things that other MMO's have available from character creation.
So the fiesta store will be for this game to be able to survive as a free to play, or in this case, a hybrid, free to play with cash shop.
The MMORPG's veterans will shurelly back me up on this, 100% free to ply games didnt work out well..... because, no income, no way to control the game, no quality check, and whatnot...
The store will only serve to further enhance the gaming experience, and it will not be like totally necessary to buy stuff from there to get the fun out of the game. Lots of stuff can be aquired from the game, its just a whole lot harder to. What fun would the game be if all the best and cool stuff was given to us on a silver platter right at the beggining of the game? No fun at all.

Best regards to all, and have fun.

[MissusDolly]

If they let you send real cash in I would enjoy donating to the game. I do not have a credit card or a paypal. I do have a bank account, but I am only 15 so I am not allowed to access it for anything but my FFA projects. But when I collect spare cash I do enjoy to spend it how I like and donating to games I enjoy is something I normally use the cash for. If they made the option of sending cash or check then I think they can easily get more money too.

I do understand the point of money. I am not some silly, immuture kid. I've had to deal with making my own money, spending in it right, and learning my limits of it. I understand that Fiesta needs money to run, as it is with all games. Money doesn't grow on trees. I do believe the cash shop will be a nice feature. As long as people that can purchase from it don't take advantage of those that can't.
I've seen plenty economies destroyed because of the sentence above stated.

Also I would give my parents money to buy me the items I want, but one problem is my parents think spending money on games like this is stupid. I know many parents can be this way to, so I ask for an alternative of sending cash in because most people can send that without parents knowing.
-Dolly

[Liala]

Heh.. what do you people want? To send Checks? Money Orders? Cash? =p

If you are too young to have a bank account ( which with a parent/adult on it you can get really young) then ask your parents to buy it in exchange for doing some chores or something, maybe even get a job and give them the money to use their cc. =p


Personally, I can't wait for the shop to open. =)

[Muzammel]

As you've been saying, this game would be for the "adults" like you, well I don't have a credit card, nor a paypal yet I will buy items from the cash shop quite simply. I have a grandmother who has a bank account, right? Well, she takes me to the bank and I pay $20.00 plus a $3.00 fee, to get a VISA Gift Card. It's basically a temporary credit card with a limit that you put on it. So yeah, if you can do that, you can transfer the money from the gift card onto your paypal that you make and wha-la. You have money in your paypal.

[Cloud_]

If you make a request to the GM's about this opinion, maybe they'll consider it.

Or maybe they already have...
just have to wait untill then.

[Gravvi]

OK i haven't posted here in a while, But the one reason a parent might not want to do this because this game hasn't been around long. She said that when they get money the game could close and just dissappear therefor ripping us off. I do understand that. Not only that we don't know who we are paying to it might be a 50year old perv. Its just something parents won't do. And yes sending cash would be cooler than handing over a CC number for someone to have. I do understand it is a program but the data is placed somewhere. THis is just what my mom said. I am trying to find a way to pay for what i want. But it is very difficult.

[manji2501]

....And yes sending cash would be cooler than handing over a CC number for someone to have....

As i stated before [and others before me], there are alternative ways. Im sorry for not posting any, i cannot remmember at the moment.
AS for sending real live money, be carefull, sending money through the mail or post (snailmail as some call it) is highly insecure and many online retailers actually advise against it.
The prepayed gamecards idea seems like it might work. im not shure.

[yangderox]

MAYB LIKE maplestory , where they sell prepaid cards?

[maxavier]

There should be an alternative ways. We are players, we might not have work yet.

[Gravvi]

Well sending like 20 dollars through mail is better than getting robbed 100$ through a credit card. But buying a prepayed gamecards still needs a CC,DC. so that really isn't an alternative

[maxavier]

Well, what kind of alternatives you want? Probably like buying the items with high silvers?

[killj0y]

i played conquer online for 2 years. they have 2 methods besides paypal. a direct deposit into their bank acct (just bring cash into any Bank of America, fill out a deposit slip, and send an email) or a western union acct to wire them the money.
in closed beta i have to say the cash shop wasn't the best. 2 outfits 1 that raised crit % 1 that did nothing. extra inventory slots for your bag and sale shop, pets, hp boosts, and mounts. i'd like to see more but i believe that if they make too much available to buy from npc's even at ridiculously high prices, people will not buy with cash. and as has already been covered: no incoming cash = no fiesta

[Enzio]

I rather p2p then have item mall that sells unfair items that ruin the fairness of the game.

[wangfu85]

those prepaid credit cards are not worth it. The company hands out surcharge fees left and right. Unless you are willing to put $20 on the card to only spend about $10 dollars worth of items, thats gonna be your choice.

Money Order system sounds good.

Buying In-game is stupid, there is no difference between them or fiesta gold sellers. If i wanted money or items i rather go to those sites, cuz its CHEAPER.

[Marimaru]

You can go to almost any office supply store and pay cash for a prepaid credit card. Some of them do have fees, some of them aren't too bad.

Other than that, I'm not sure I think there should be in game ways to pay for things that are part of the cash shop. The whole purpose of the cash shop is to supposed the game play. It sucks to be a kid with no credit card, but think of it this way; you get to play for free, and you get what you pay for. The adults that can pay for things in the cash shop will have a slightly different gaming experience. And when you are an adult with a credit card, you will likely be telling kids the same type of thing.

[Xanthros]

I vote no... and I also hope that they bind all special/premium mall items to the user who bought them to control the economy.. or it's going to be a disaster when it's all said and done.

The game is perfectly playable without any mall items, as you all have seen - that said, they do need a way to make real money to keep the bandwidth and data centers paid, their coders coding, and the game improving to provide a positive and fun experience for the populace. I fully understand that what I said is not in the majority thought-wise as a good majority are never pleased with what they're allowed to do for free, and always want 'more more more'... If you're going to flame me, don't waste your time.

X-

[Gravvi]

i do agree with you that they need money. But somethings they sell needs another way to purchase. I don't think there should be items that give + stats that u can only get through cash shop because then the rich can be the best.

[LDK_SPARDA]

I think we should also be able to pay by cash :)

[AdamWest]

i do agree with you that they need money. But somethings they sell needs another way to purchase. I don't think there should be items that give + stats that u can only get through cash shop because then the rich can be the best.

thats the point of a cash shop. why would i pay money for something that doesn't enhance my gameplay?

Here, buy this sweet axe. it is the same as any other axe at its level (in fact you can farm green axes with better stats for free) but you should pay us money anyways!

and the entire idea of being able to buy cash items with in game currency is asinine. It's called a CASH shop for a reason.

[Gravvi]

Then the game wouldn't be fun. The fact that the rich can get whatever they want will be make the game way unbalanced. I mean people don't like the colors so they will buy color schemes. I mean there is alot that is going to be able to buy. THey don't need +stat items for sale. THey shouldn't sell items that will unbalance the game.

[Kholai]

Alternative payment:
Players who want to can buy items from the cash shop.
Poor players whine about their lack of card/mean parents (who should be made aware of inherent fraud security in Paypal and most payment service providers)/et cetera.
Players sell their items to the poor players for ingame money, and buy new items to replace their old ones.

Fiesta gains twice as much cash as if the poor players could not purchase their much needed cash items.
Economy falters briefly, as cash shop items flood the market, but recovers once people stop being daft about rarely needed and readily available items such as stat resets.

Problem solved!

[manji2501]

Agree with xanthro, Kholai, killj0y, and marimaru's oppinion. Nuff said.
And let me rephrase and restate AGAIN what i said before, in case ANYONE didn't understand what i said earlyer, wich actually was written in PLAIN English.
Cash Shop items to be paid with REAL Money (Duh, cash shop??? ring a bell?)
New haircoulours and hairstyles to be bought at a NEW NPC will be paid with INGAME CURRENCY (copper, silver, gold, diamond, just like any other normal NPC allready present in the game), since those aditional customization options are regularlly available in the character making process in most mmorpg's.
[Just search for other hybrid free to play with cash shop games and find out how they work]
Does ANYONE still remember that we are still in OPEN BETA PHASE? AS IN NOT FULL RETAIL VERSION YET?
If anyone does not know what da heck a open beta phase IS, and what a beta tester's duties and priviliges are, go search and find out!
And stop being such a band of immature babyes, and cultural missfits that dont know any better than to complain about every single little dam thing even if their wrong or have no reason, no right, or there is simply nothing to complain about!! You dont like, you dont play! Try for yourselves to make an mmorpg and then come back and see if you still have the same oppinions.
There is a thread in the fiestafan forums about new hair colours. The link to it can be found in a thread with a poll about new hair colours here in these forums.
Best Regards to all.

[autumnangel]

OK i haven't posted here in a while, But the one reason a parent might not want to do this because this game hasn't been around long. She said that when they get money the game could close and just dissappear therefor ripping us off. I do understand that. Not only that we don't know who we are paying to it might be a 50year old perv. Its just something parents won't do. And yes sending cash would be cooler than handing over a CC number for someone to have. I do understand it is a program but the data is placed somewhere. THis is just what my mom said. I am trying to find a way to pay for what i want. But it is very difficult.


Ok I have read most of this whole thread and find it rather amusing but I JUST had to respond here... As a parent I would gladly use my own CC or paypal account to pay for my kids to have in game cash, IF they earned it... I think there are limits to how you can pay for a areason... mainly so Kids dont go blowing all of there money or stealing yes stealing cash from others in the family... And yes it has been done there have been numerous news stories about Maplestory for one and how kids stoile money to buy game cards...
Another I find really rediculous is your 2 reasons here for not using paypal or CC but sending Cash.. 1 reason was the company could jsut be ripping my off and go aways stealing my money and 2 what I really dont get at all and shows your immaturity is that you seems to think that this game/company is ran by some 50 yr old pervert but yet you are ok with giving him money as long as you an mail in cash... WOW That is the craziest thing I have read so far.... Plus you can track paypal and CC payments which protects both you and the company.. You send in Cash or money order there is not proof it ever gets there....
This comany doesnt "owe" us anything we are playing their FREE game... It is not that hard to restart your character and relevel again... Really... And beleive me thissss game is NOT going to go under becase some kids cant pay realy money for there stat resets. and to they guy who loves to quote what Dakkon says GET A LIFE!!!!!ITS JUST A GAME!!!!! If the only problem all of you have is that you can't reset your stats in some silly game then you really have it made....

[Game_Hermit]

Old people and their fear of technology amuse me. I frequently use my credit card online. I've used paypal plenty of times too. Half the stuff i own came from the internet. I've never once had any problems. All these ads on TV about protecting yourself from identity theft combined with their own ignorance of the internet make them extremely paranoid. The odds of you getting ripped off because of paying through the website of a legitimate business is about the same as getting struck by lightning assuming you have a firewall and regularly scan for viruses. Just try to convince your parents to educate themselves and i'm sure they'll let you borrow their card.

[Jhanniss]

Just my two cents really quick.

To the people complaining about wanting to use anything other than real money to pay for Cash Shop items, please understand you are playing this game for free and at the expense of Outspark.

What makes a game better? Money, pure and simple. It makes the world go round and run as it has.

Who is footing the bill to pay the Outspark Devs, GMs, and other employees on top of internet useage and misc other things that require payment on a weekly to monthly basis?

I disagree on people being able to get things from Cash Shop for anything BUT real money as it is needed to keep this game running. You can't just sit here playing a free game and expect it to improve or get better by allowing EVERYTHING to be free period.

Where most games are paying monthly fees, this one has chosen to be free to play and depends on the Cash Shop to keep it going. What happens when that doesn't happen? Bye bye Fiesta. This is a company and this is business. If you want the game to continue to be, its best to support it as they are needing it.

If the poor can't afford to buy Cash Shop items, then that's their thing. The Cash Shop items are a LUXURY, not a requirement.

I could cry all day about not having as much money as J-Lo, Bill Gates, or Puff Daddy. I'm not rich like them and I'm not famous/popular like them. Does that mean I should be allowed to gain free access to their parties they attend and things they buy because I'm to poor?

Go ahead and try and see where it gets you. :3

[theblueviper]

There's no reason why for events GMs can't reward people with some Cash Shop currency. It would also help lure people to buy more, both a good and bad thing.

[Kholai]

Speaking as the overwhelmingly cheap, stingy and overall tight-fisted person I am, if I could get cash shop currency from doing events, then.... I'd just do events. I avoid paying for anything I can get for free, and Outspark would be making a mistake if they thought others wouldn't be the same.

If Outspark chooses to give said currency, for example, as a Christmas gift, then that's their choice; but to make it a regular, receivable commodity from playing the game? Bad idea.

[Gravvi]

But the thing is he only holds events for the higher lvl people. The ones who can do almost anything. But yes if they did a tournament. One winner could win 1$ currency for cash shop. I like that idea. But i want to know what is going to be sold in the cash shop. Because i am sure there are some things i won't agree with.

[Asurai]

most likely if there is any costume/stats reset scroll they will most likely be tradeable to other player so normal ppl who dont want to pay real money get access to these item, of course the in-game price for these item will be high but u Dont have to use real life money

[daggrr69]

Lol that weird stupid girl with no sense of direction and getting kenpachi lost all the time
Anyway I would like to be able to pay with Money order because I don't and never will have a credit card and paypal and most don't either so money order would be reasonable I'd payed like this for other cash shops :D

[Winnk]

Alternate methods of payment for Fiesta Store purchases? You mean other than credit card, PayPal (or some other similar online fund-transfering service), or E-Wallet (again, or something similar)?

You actually think OutSpark is going to assume the expenses and risks associated with taking personal checks, money orders or other potentially non-insured non-certifiable drafts? You obviously don't understand how such financial tools and institutions operate, or you wouldn't even ask this question.

Heck, in many City Hall and other government offices (in the USA), you can't pay by personal check anymore. And the time lag of snail mail and waiting for a check to clear the bank would make it a rather unattractive option to many consumers. If funds are tied up waiting for dispersal, the company can't use those funds, and they really can't even count on their arrival. Not knowing what your cash flow actually is makes planning ahead almost impossible. And going after folks who rip them off costs more than it's worth.

I'd like to add a reality check here: If a minor passes them a bad check they get stuck with that loss, since minors are pretty much immune to anything. Going after their parents can only happen if they can investigate and find out WHO is responsible for that minor. Not a cheap proposition.

Bottom line is that OutSpark owns the game, they run it as they see fit and profitable, and no amount of adolescent whining will change that.

[daggrr69]

Alternate methods of payment for Fiesta Store purchases? You mean other than credit card, PayPal (or some other similar online fund-transfering service), or E-Wallet (again, or something similar)?

You actually think OutSpark is going to assume the expenses and risks associated with taking personal checks, money orders or other potentially non-insured non-certifiable drafts? You obviously don't understand how such financial tools and institutions operate, or you wouldn't even ask this question.

Heck, in many City Hall and other government offices (in the USA), you can't pay by personal check anymore. And the time lag of snail mail and waiting for a check to clear the bank would make it a rather unattractive option to many consumers. If funds are tied up waiting for dispersal, the company can't use those funds, and they really can't even count on their arrival. Not knowing what your cash flow actually is makes planning ahead almost impossible. And going after folks who rip them off costs more than it's worth.

:eek:***?!? and ***?!?!:confused:
No sense at all:confused:
*Edit* by no sense I meant did I not make myself clear

[Jhanniss]

:eek:***?!? and ***?!?!:confused:
No sense at all:confused:

Actually he made perfect sense. n.n

[axe_effec_2006]

:eek:***?!? and ***?!?!:confused:
No sense at all:confused:


Makes perfect sense to me!!!

[h0b0onsn0w]

if outspark would make an alternate payment method, it would be for their benefit because they can have more customers. money order may be slow but hey the outspark team aint the one waiting, it's the one sending the money order because there is no way anyone hand out the good or service b4 they recieves the pay. if something happens to the check or the cash it's the customer's problem. yeh the bounce check might screw with outspark but hey they dont have to take checks. money order is still good i see no bad side to money order except they are slow.

[daggrr69]

if outspark would make an alternate payment method, it would be for their benefit because they can have more customers. money order may be slow but hey the outspark team aint the one waiting, it's the one sending the money order because there is no way anyone hand out the good or service b4 they recieves the pay. if something happens to the check or the cash it's the customer's problem. yeh the bounce check might screw with outspark but hey they dont have to take checks. money order is still good i see no bad side to money order except they are slow.

:DI TOTALLY F[expletive]ing agree with you dude they can hell'a make sure if they took money orders I would be one of those customers like I said before I have boughten stuff from game stores with money orders:cool:

[Mac67]

It sais you can pay by cash. Check it out. Heck, I'm a newb, and that's one of the first things I know about this game.

Just click on the Fiesta store guide and on the bottom it sais pay by cash in between the two ( or next to) the credit card signs.

[Scadel]

western union pl0x.