Overpricing in Adeline Server

[hoanghiep]

This is in my own opinion. So if you have any comment, please keep it clean.
I believe that the reasons everything is so overpriced and everyone is using xens as a currency instead of krons is simply because it has become a trend.
There is no reasons why items should be overpriced, and there's no reasons xens should be used as currency. It's simply unfair for players who just joined the game and people who does not possess a lot of money.
Outspark already did an emergency maintancement and took out tons of krons not long after the incident happen. Sure, there are still people out there who have more krons then other, but asking yourself this. WHY does it matter to you?
Newcomer to the game HAD to sell xen at a higher price to make money and meet the ridiculous price that we are seeing everywhere. I'm sure that everyone just want to survive in this current economy, but we should stop using xen as a currency and use it as an enhancement jewel like it should be.
On the otherhand, how is overpricing helping anything? All I see is, items kept in being in that little selling window. There are currently very little trading going on between low lvls, cause they have no krons or huge amount of xens like the high lvls does. At the same time, the high lvls refuse to give a hand. If you just notice, the majority of high lvls always have the same seling window "Pm offer in xens"....like..***?
Just what I think is the problems in this game, everyone just refuse to work together and people are too greedy

[opensunflowers]

I don't understand why everyone wants xens anymore. Well, kinda, but not really. I hardly ever see ANYTHING in a shop selling for kron.

I guess people just don't want to be taken advantage of...why sell AP6 gears for the old price of 1 mil when people with 100 mil will just buy them all, regardless of need so they can resell them? D:

[BellaAnimorum]

Outspark already did an emergency maintancement and took out tons of krons not long after the incident happen. Sure, there are still people out there who have more krons then other

The fact of the mater is that in one fell swoop, HUNDREDS of millions of kron were still left in peoples' inevtories, many of which did NOT earn legitly.
Sure, Outspark erased billions of 'false' kron, but there was simply way more in the ecenomy and peoples' pockets after the so-called fix, than before that dreaded night.
The reason prices are still so high is because fools who don't know how to handle big money were left with nothing to buy, so they jack up prices in order to use what they never really should have.

I still say we should have had server reset to before the incident. (Generally speaking) You would complain about "waaah I would lose so many levels and and zomg all my krons!" but really now, look at the headaches we are going through. And although this is more of a coulda-woulda-shoulda moment, Outspark should have erased all our bank accounts to a NEGLIGIBLE amount, say as much as 5mill per person, instead of a rediculous 100mill (which in my opinion was steered towards the higher levelled players and adept merchants, rather than the entire community) This way prices would have been alot more resembling what they were back in March last year. Well, that is what I believe it could have been like.

The economy problem will always persist as long as this excessive false wealth remains.
Period. Case closed.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

The fact of the mater is that in one fell swoop, HUNDREDS of millions of kron were still left in peoples' inevtories, many of which did NOT earn legitly.
Sure, Outspark erased billions of 'false' kron, but there was simply way more in the ecenomy and peoples' pockets after the so-called fix, than before that dreaded night.
The reason prices are still so high is because fools who don't know how to handle big money were left with nothing to buy, so they jack up prices in order to use what they never really should have.

I still say we should have had server reset to before the incident. (Generally speaking) You would complain about "waaah I would lose so many levels and and zomg all my krons!" but really now, look at the headaches we are going through. And although this is more of a coulda-woulda-shoulda moment, Outspark should have erased all our bank accounts to a NEGLIGIBLE amount, say as much as 5mill per person, instead of a rediculous 100mill (which in my opinion was steered towards the higher levelled players and adept merchants, rather than the entire community) This way prices would have been alot more resembling what they were back in March last year. Well, that is what I believe it could have been like.

The economy problem will always persist as long as this excessive false wealth remains.
Period. Case closed.

Even if they does, the situation will remain the same now, that happen now to every game i play so far(Fiesta and other games not related to Outspark have the same problem now). We can't do anything about it now. There a lot of games that the rare items are untradable and some games the rare items are untradable unless you pass by a trade system to sell the rare stuff for money in-game. Seriously, even if Outspark does that, the economy problem will still remain due to the fact some peoples are too greedy and don't care about it. I see some start to resell for kron ap6 but still overpricey, that's not a good thing but some does the effort to resell gears for krons.

I agree that the price of all the items are way too much up than the normal, some will said grind your own gears and rofl, but that's not funny at all for those new players that see that happening. This make the game even more difficult to play as well unless if they decide to buy SC gears and level up this way, which happen a lot now.

Even if they does a rollback prior to the source, the problem will remain the same with the bad economy happen to every other games.

And i agree with one thing on your post, they should have wipe out all the krons in this server from all the accounts when they have the chance to do it when they does the kron remove earlier instead of removing a part of it.

I know what does a Rollback and can tell, that already damaged a game that i will not mention that closed now due to the fact the game was not working at all due to the rollback.

Probably that the reason Outspark didn't do a Rollback at all. To prevent any damage to the game and make everyone not able to play at the game at all for who knows.

Only solution to the problem now is a total kron wipe from all the accounts of this server, rollback will just make things worse.

[holli_hobbi]

I think a total removal of kron would be too much. We still need to be able to buy pots just to exp in the first place. I think down to 10 mil would work tho. That's still enough for people saving to start their own guilds and to buy pots and basic gears/skill books. But not so much that they can charge the outrageous prices.

[CyberPhoenixSlayer]

I think a total removal of kron would be too much. We still need to be able to buy pots just to exp in the first place. I think down to 10 mil would work tho. That's still enough for people saving to start their own guilds and to buy pots and basic gears/skill books. But not so much that they can charge the outrageous prices.

They already did that by letting 100 mil max at those that have more than 100mil last time and what give results, prices still overpricing. Full kron wipe is the only option now since some people take advantage of this even if Outspark take some action about this earlier, there nothing we can do about it now.

[linky606]

Noob here xD
whats a khon and whats a xen >_<

[opensunflowers2]

Kron is the currency, and Xen's are really rare red shiny stones that (might) give additional defense to armor and weapons.

Full kron wipe is a little extreme. I earned a lot of my kron--definitely over this pitiful "5mil, 10 mil" you guys are talking about putting as the default amount of kron.

They should put in kron dumps. The morgras game was good; maybe they could just raise the prices of the hammers or something. I say it works because it was easy, and it took a lot of those tickets just to get the prize--which was very desirable, judging by how many people had one.

I don't know, I'm not an expert on the economy and I'm not trying to claim I am; I just think that a total kron wipe is extreme. Maybe it's necessary to do in order to get prices back down again--but then what'll happen in a year? The same thing? Xens will slowly rise to prices in the millions, and then we'll just RESET the kron because "it's too expensive"? I don't know, I feel like a reset is not a permanent solution to people who have too much kron to begin with; legitimatly earned or not.

[poochyenarulez]

ok, they reset everyones kron to 10mill, problem solved? NO!
the npc gives u WAY to much kron
i spend about 6k-10k every rp, i make about 20-80k every rp, see a problem?
more kron is being put in the game than it is used.
wat we need?
a fun, easy to play/get to expensive minigame that gives u points that let u pay stuff like candy and things.
that, or a luck or chance game like the xen wheel thing, spin the wheel for 50k and get stuff, or lose stuff, there should also be a 3-12 hour cooldown too..

[fuad199rpg]

well i know something that would really help...

let us buy better stuff at npc stores... the only thing i buy there is pots, and actually never have bought any gear from npc cuz i got always +1 drops till i started buying ap 6 from other players

[AnimePimp66]

yea multi loaders and higher % death pends would b nice in npc along with even bigger pots.mogra game is good wish would keep that perma :x

[tazsbigtoy]

Yes we really need something to spend kron on besides just the basic stuff to remove it from the game. Better items in the shop would help. So would fun little games where you might win worthwhile things is a good idea too. That adds a diversion from grinding too. These new maps are giving us even more kron when we npc the high level gear.

[opensunflowers]

i spend about 6k-10k every rp, i make about 20-80k every rp, see a problem?
more kron is being put in the game than it is used.


Just curious...if we broke even every time we RP'd...how would we afford gears?

[redpepperoil]

as im learning more about the current us economic crisis i find the parallels to the price of xen pretty amusing. we are putting crazy ammounts of money into a bet (whether or not the xen will actually improve your gear) and money is flying every which way faster than anyone has seen it go (fake but assumed wealth).
im actually kinda interested in adapting to and thriving in the new economy. i dont see how it has really affected much of anything except peoples perceptions of ingame worth, and there are many people who are pretty on top of a new current reasonable price. i think people new to the game are still capable of getting ahead just as quickly being that they can farm aloe, wood and leather. who really needs a perfect set of ap6's before they can aoe anyway? just makes you lazier in how you play the game, all new people to the game should have a chance to really learn their classes skills before sorting out the finer details.
the most reasonable solution (at this point) seems to me more kron sinks ingame. ive seen many examples of what people would want in the store to spend money on, but i think that basic consumables like small pots (say at 1-5k per) are never at the top of the list. i think that would be so constantly bought and used than pendants (the leading suggestion from what i've read in the forums) it would shrink the economy at a comfortable rate. except for the fact that outspark could no longer sell it in the store (i mean, they could, but who would buy it?) quick sweeping consumables would be the best route to go in adding ingame items. so what about weak or tiny elixers? i would use the hell out those.
thats all i got in my maintenance boredom (why why? 3 of the 4 hours that i can play today.... :( )

anyway, thanks fer listnin.

[joshiasi]

Just let xens be sold on a NPC for a price like 1mil kron a piece... that should stop all those people selling xen for like 5-6mil... thus this also helps in bringing back krons as the currency and not xens... just my 2 cents...

[tazsbigtoy]

as im learning more about the current us economic crisis i find the parallels to the price of xen pretty amusing. we are putting crazy ammounts of money into a bet (whether or not the xen will actually improve your gear) and money is flying every which way faster than anyone has seen it go (fake but assumed wealth).
im actually kinda interested in adapting to and thriving in the new economy. i dont see how it has really affected much of anything except peoples perceptions of ingame worth, and there are many people who are pretty on top of a new current reasonable price. i think people new to the game are still capable of getting ahead just as quickly being that they can farm aloe, wood and leather. who really needs a perfect set of ap6's before they can aoe anyway? just makes you lazier in how you play the game, all new people to the game should have a chance to really learn their classes skills before sorting out the finer details.
the most reasonable solution (at this point) seems to me more kron sinks ingame. ive seen many examples of what people would want in the store to spend money on, but i think that basic consumables like small pots (say at 1-5k per) are never at the top of the list. i think that would be so constantly bought and used than pendants (the leading suggestion from what i've read in the forums) it would shrink the economy at a comfortable rate. except for the fact that outspark could no longer sell it in the store (i mean, they could, but who would buy it?) quick sweeping consumables would be the best route to go in adding ingame items. so what about weak or tiny elixers? i would use the hell out those.
thats all i got in my maintenance boredom (why why? 3 of the 4 hours that i can play today.... :( )

anyway, thanks fer listnin.

Well, our griping about pots eventually got us the tiny pots. It's been mentioned in several threads that a better pot in the npc store would be a winner, along with (as you suggested) some type of elixor, weak, tiny small, a better than 1% anti death pendant, a multi-location warp scroll. All of these would be excellent kron sinks I think. SC pots always have the advantage of being weightless, so I don't see better pots hurting sales that much.

[linky606]

Whooops i didnt realize i was on the wrong thread >_< Thought this was a different game lol

[duaane]

Yep even hear a few GMs say larger Pots will be avalible soon. Made the same suggestions on multi-warp scrolls. After the OutSpark drains all the extra kron out via a GM (player-type seller) selling xen-leather-wood, for like a week or two. Xen being the best kron drain, and more players with pets means more ppl wanting SparkCash jelly beans. So win/win for them, yet all I got from Hal CS was "the problem is solved, wait a while it will adjust back", that was in January. :mad:

Well I check in every now and again for the last 6-8 weeks see it's still the same (or worse) what it will take is people like me going on a break from the game and spending our 100+ dollars a month someplace else till Outspark sees the light... or another game comes out worth "living in" for a few years :cool:


Well, our griping about pots eventually got us the tiny pots. It's been mentioned in several threads that a better pot in the npc store would be a winner, along with (as you suggested) some type of elixor, weak, tiny small, a better than 1% anti death pendant, a multi-location warp scroll. All of these would be excellent kron sinks I think. SC pots always have the advantage of being weightless, so I don't see better pots hurting sales that much.

[tazsbigtoy]

It is a little better, some people are actually selling gear for kron now, everyone isn't insisting on xens. And the gm's have said in game and in posts that they are still studying the situation and looking at possible solutions.

[afro_ninjanz]

That is actually a really good point because if the shops were selling the armor at a set price everyone would sell below it or a at it meaning that the prices can only go so high.
plus in some games (Like Final Fantast IV) you go to buy your big as Diamond Armor and its like 19,000
there we go a decent price.

Plus the person who made the point about making more money when you go lvling than you lose, even when i started this game i instantly started making money

[techno-viking]

personally i'd like to see stat buffs being sold. like +5 men/+5 agi/+5 pow/+3 def/+5 int/+5 stam/+5 wis.

limit it to 2 buffs and have them active for say 1 hour and charge players say 500k per each buff.

this wouldn't take away peoples need to buy sc items, wouldn't imbalance the game enough to ruin it, they would cost enough so you cannot afford to buy these buffs 24/7/365 and finally give us a nice kron sink which will hopefully help lower prices,which will help out the newer players.

[poochyenarulez]

personally i'd like to see stat buffs being sold. like +5 men/+5 agi/+5 pow/+3 def/+5 int/+5 stam/+5 wis.

limit it to 2 buffs and have them active for say 1 hour and charge players say 500k per each buff.

this wouldn't take away peoples need to buy sc items, wouldn't imbalance the game enough to ruin it, they would cost enough so you cannot afford to buy these buffs 24/7/365 and finally give us a nice kron sink which will hopefully help lower prices,which will help out the newer players.

hmm
i like ur idea,
can only use 2 buffs at a time, last for like 1 hour, and maybe only be allow to by 6 buffs every 12 hours or so..

and if they do have this, they best not leave out the +5 int....

[ARNOTA]

This is in my own opinion. So if you have any comment, please keep it clean.
I believe that the reasons everything is so overpriced and everyone is using xens as a currency instead of krons is simply because it has become a trend.
There is no reasons why items should be overpriced, and there's no reasons xens should be used as currency. It's simply unfair for players who just joined the game and people who does not possess a lot of money.
Outspark already did an emergency maintancement and took out tons of krons not long after the incident happen. Sure, there are still people out there who have more krons then other, but asking yourself this. WHY does it matter to you?
Newcomer to the game HAD to sell xen at a higher price to make money and meet the ridiculous price that we are seeing everywhere. I'm sure that everyone just want to survive in this current economy, but we should stop using xen as a currency and use it as an enhancement jewel like it should be.
On the otherhand, how is overpricing helping anything? All I see is, items kept in being in that little selling window. There are currently very little trading going on between low lvls, cause they have no krons or huge amount of xens like the high lvls does. At the same time, the high lvls refuse to give a hand. If you just notice, the majority of high lvls always have the same seling window "Pm offer in xens"....like..***?
Just what I think is the problems in this game, everyone just refuse to work together and people are too greedy

well said! i rarely find someones post that i agree with 100% but i do with yours. i would also like to add something to it. as it might explain better why so many people are using xen! since the game has started everyone has needed xen to make gears to aoe. but now there are so many enhanced gears that xens are not used as much! this causes an increase in the number of xen that are in circulation! this is why there are so many xens now! This is one of the leading causes to why people are using xen as currency! its mostly the middle lvl players like lvls 66-112 because there is were the most gears that are enhanced are. the high lvl players need to enhance there gears and the low lvl players usually dont have to many xens.

[kevinata]

OP is right, there must be cooperation in order for our economy to stabilize.

But it all starts with the richer higher level people. There must be a sacrifice, perhaps sell a dropped ap6 for a tad bit lower.

Oh and... Tank gears must lower, it all starts with the very guys who get massive amounts of good drops. As more and more players create tankers, the demand for their gears get higher, and this sets the price for the rest of the economy since tank gears are heavily dependent on xen.

High Xen price = High Tank gear price = Tank sell for more xen, and more Kron = higher Xen prices = an ever increasing price for all rare items

Its up to the higher levels to slowly lower the price. Because the lower levels only think " uh oh, i earn about 20 k per repot, these gears cost 100x that, wat am i gonna do when i finally need those gears? " and decide to sell any rare item they got as high as they can.

[poochyenarulez]

its not about selling it at low, but buying it at a low price
the reason stuff is sold for so much, is cause people buy it for that much
if u sell something for high, u keep selling it high
can't sell it for a high price, u lower the price~

[ARNOTA]

its not about selling it at low, but buying it at a low price
the reason stuff is sold for so much, is cause people buy it for that much
if u sell something for high, u keep selling it high
can't sell it for a high price, u lower the price~

maybe they could make items that are enhanced to like +5 or more unable to be traded that ways when the new person buys them either not enhanced or they fail an enhance to get it to lower lvl the new person would then have to enhance them thus using xen lowering the number of xen in the economy! p.s. i know you will not like this and say its unfair or something but gms have said that we have to all make sacrifices to help the economy!

[BellaAnimorum]

Oh and... Tank gears must lower, it all starts with the very guys who get massive amounts of good drops. As more and more players create tankers, the demand for their gears get higher, and this sets the price for the rest of the economy since tank gears are heavily dependent on xen.

Be sure the thank .Quoc. for making "tanker" gears so incredibly expensive. He really did it, singlehandedly.

^.^

[iuqra]

some people sell stuff for high prices because they dont have enough kron to buy the rare things they need for quests. and some are just greedy.
do you guys remmber when the gms said they made the ken a bit less rare well if they made it rare again and the things that we need not so rare then there wouldnt be alot of high prices.
or if they put a limit on how much they sell them like a xen's limit up to aat least 1 or2 million.

[LewCfurPrime]

I was completely against the higher prices of things after the "incident"; a lot of people felt the same. 5 months later.....it's actually not too bad, now. I see a lot of items being traded and sold for quite a bit less than they were even 2 months ago. Xen prices are on the 3.5-4.5 million slide(which is MUCH better than 6-8 million), and as far as gears go, it seems they are the cheapest they've been for the whole time since the kron-"hack".
I constantly see better gears(+5/+6 ap6) going for 25-30 million, including squire/knight/warrior gears(which I think is just awesome), and the fact that people are taking kron again instead of only xen.
I believe that the recent change in pricing has come about because of all the people trying to get pets and pet quest items, and wings and wing quest items. A lot of people have spent their valued troves of kron and xen on wings/pets, and I believe that current pricing reflects people trying to rebuild their troves. Also, there seems to be an influx of xens recently, translating into lower prices for them. Lots of people that had tons of xen have spent/ traded them away, resulting in more people having them.
A few people willing to trade their xen for pets, and other people selling their gears for xens/krons to get wings/pets has made the economy a bit more even than it was 2 months ago. I can actually walk around looking at shops, and I don't really see a lot of +5/ap6 gears being sold for over 30-40 million(with the exception of lvl 100+ gears, which i believe SHOULD be sold for over that).
Also, the people now trading xens for gears have had to start taking less xens because people just aren't willing to pay the outrageous prices, and when they do, it's usually isolated incidences of extremely good gear being auctioned.

All in all, the economy is slowly rebalancing itself from a major catastrophe. I see no reason now for any further action by the staff....we, the players, seem to have a way of correcting our own problems, even if it has taken 5 months. Personally, I was afraid it would just go downhill; instead, prices are fairly reasonable(it's been mentioned that if you think it's too high, find another seller), xens are abundant, good gear is available, and even a new player has a good chance of making their first millions within a few weeks of levelling(I know, because I have started 4 new characters in 3 months, and the drops I have gotten levelling each of them have enabled me to make quite a bit more than I thought I could).

I'm just giving it more time...at the moment, I have been able to afford what I needed(as opposed to what I WANTED^^), and even though my gears aren't all ap6, I could find the gears for sale if I needed to. I like how i can buy +2/ap6 gears for around 10-12 million, xens for 4-5 million, and the more I play, the more I see^^. People have actually lowered prices on everything as a whole, with the exception of pet quest items(which SHOULD be some of the highest priced stuff in the game).

I believe that current prices are attainable, and that if you really, truly want something, just shop around. I know, everyone wants it RIGHT NAO; if you have a little patience, and look around B4 you buy, you can usually get whatever it is you're looking for for a reasonable price(except pet questies^^). Take some time, give it some MORE time, and it'll all work out!

[Rivan]

Maybe just an idea. But perhaps as they have a way to trade perm, or non-perm SC items, there would be a way to trade Xens for certain stat buffs, or to play a sort of mini-game? The economy is bad, but that's in high part to the fact that Xens are the main currency at this time. Perhaps putting Xens back into the game by different means than up-grading armor would be a good idea.

[Mikitan]

Please don't necro up old topics. In anycase, I will be closing thread..