MASKED words----> UNFAIR??

[agentcarranzo]

This is my point of view about mask words with (*).

I just want you to know that I am one of those people who DO NOT like hearing foul languages or cursed words.And I thank outspark that it is punishable now to put mask on words to hurt others.


But, for those who might have noticed, there are SOME correct and appropriate words that ARE NOT fouls but still sometimes,they got masked by fiesta chat.
For Example( a conversation)

Noob1: " What are you doing here in SandBeach?"
Noob2: " Nah,just farming some *****(clams) for quest for skill master ruby.


And I just wanna know if that counts as violation? Because when fiesta announced that it is punishable to use mask words,more people want to take SS(as if its a hollywood actress on the loose) and just report it.Even though its not what really meant to be typed.

[evieevie]

yeah there are lots of other words that are innocent that get masked. Kinda annoying but i wondered about this to lol!

[agentcarranzo]

i am a bit uncomfy coz my guildm8 is temporarily suspended for 72 hrs due to this mask words.thingy

[lenore_lurks]

I would have hoped that each report would be taken on an individual basis if it concerns this masking of words. If your guildmate did not use such words in a bad way then maybe they can send in a ticket regarding their situation? If it was like you say, in a quest description, then getting a temp suspension is a bit harsh.

[agentcarranzo]

and yea,i asked her now,using her other account,and CSR told her to log-in and click contact csr,BUT she cant even do that:(

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[Naomi89]

There are actually quite a few maltese (my language) words which get censored out also even though they are not rude words. In fact when I'm speaking maltese I always have a *** word because they are frequently used workds in maltese like 'her', 'on' 'about' and I don't want people thinking I'm swearing when I'm not hehe. If some one is seen with a masked word which is inoccent like the above mentioned will they be able to explain themselves before having their account suspended?

[agentcarranzo]

There are actually quite a few maltese (my language) words which get censored out also even though they are not rude words. In fact when I'm speaking maltese I always have a *** word because they are frequently used workds in maltese like 'her', 'on' 'about' and I don't want people thinking I'm swearing when I'm not hehe. If some one is seen with a masked word which is inoccent like the above mentioned will they be able to explain themselves before having their account suspended?

Yay,we have the same situation. I use Filipino words,and i mean a lot of words are getting masked too even if they are not foul words.

This is what i want to know alsoT.T

[knagol]

i knw it gets kinda wild with all the blocks i always learn :3

[shadowhawk18]

This is my problem with this whole "masking" thing. Not EVERYONE speaks a universal language and not EVERYONE lives in the same area/country. The word "Clam" maybe a dish in America, but in, lets say, Russia, its an insult. However, there are other words not filtered that need to be. Such as the word "8@st@rd" (Using Leet to mask. I hope you can understand the word, if not, just ask me). I know there is the 8@st@rd Sword (Lv 50 2H for Cleverfighters), but why should THAT word be ok to say as an insult but something else, such as "B!7ch" (Using leet speak to mask. If you dont know that word, ask around) be filtered? Also, not all words are rude or lude. Such as the word "Dam". Now, I COULD be talking about a dam you see at a river or something, or, I could be using this word in a rude way. Same way with something like "As*" (No need for Leet here. I THINK people would know that word...). I COULD be talking about a Donkey (Thats the proper name for a donkey), or I could be insulting you with a rude word. Thing is, a filter doesnt know the differences between a "rude" word and a "proper" name. Finally, not all countries have the same thing. Such as "Trace". Its an Alcoholic drink, I BELIEVE from Russia, Ill have to redo my research. Fiesta and the CSRs are just nickpicking with tiny words, yet in the game, we have the "Sign of Trace". Again, different meaning, but does that mean its any less harmful to someone that knows what that means or someone living in Russia? I can understand censoring the major cuss words, such as the F word or the S word, but no need to censor the tiny words like Clam, Dam or such.

[Blaaaahs]

I know there are words masked when they're not supposed to but... as for the complaints for masked words in another language - this is an English game where the company is based in North America.

Please note I am not saying that I am against people speaking their own language with someone in private if that's what they are comfortable with, but I don't think Outspark would go over all the other languages. If that word censored in another language could mean an insult in English, then I don't think it would be un-censored.

But if it doesn't/couldn't mean anything bad in English, then yeah, I agree about it not being masked.

But, like lenore_lurks said, I'm sure Outspark will only hand out temporary bans based on context (e.g. if people have been trying to insult others by masking words). If someone reports a member for trying to mask the word "class/es", I'm sure that report will just get thrown into the bin. Pretty lame if they do get banned for that. xD

[shadowhawk18]

I know there are words masked when they're not supposed to but... as for the complaints for masked words in another language - this is an English game where the company is based in North America.

Um, OUTSPARK maybe English, but Fiesta isnt TOTALLY English.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/fiesta-online-european-english-language-version-of-gamigo-s-mmo-enters-closed-beta

First line will tell it all. The game was first launched in German in July, making this game not 100% completely English. Also note, the game isnt globally distributed in English, there are also Japanese, Chinese, French, and other versions out there too.

[poolplayermaster]

there are indeed way too many words masked and i think we should have a post put up of all words that they mask so that we can be aware of what we can and cannot say.

For instance why should pissed be censored so many times i try to say im pissed off about something and instead i get im ****** off im not asterisk off but i can understand the censore to it because **** is somewhat rude. But as said clam seriously an item in the censored? and then there are accidents too. like i find myself often being the typo king i am trying to say "i can't fit it in my inventory im full" but accidently saying "i can't fi tit in my inventory im full" which of course comes out as "i can't fi *** in my inventory im full" so because i was a little too quick on my spacebar or had a misskey am i gonna get banned just cuz SS junkie sends it in?

[A_geezy]

What do you expect?

Outspark is basically running a daycare service, your parents don't like you to use bad words at school, why should their free baby-sitters allow such? :p

P.s. it is too a day care service... look at the "featured members" list on www.outspark.com (http://www.outspark.com)

[Blaaaahs]

Um, OUTSPARK maybe English, but Fiesta isnt TOTALLY English.

Erm, this is Outspark's version, so it's the English version? =/ Yes, there are other versions of a different language is out there, but that's their version. We are not talking about their censoring system. We are talking about censor system in THIS particular version.

[BreederWerewolf]

I can agree that some of the masking is a bit annoying and although i don't see a point to it. As others have stated the is a ..vague one there usually. My biggest problem isn't really the masking it self .. its getting cussed out or bad mouthed in another language. Like a few hours ago in BR there was 2 people that wanted to join our party (Party of 3 guildys) we declined for some personal reasons and we plainly stated it to be upfront and honest .. one of the two is a Annoying PKer and a common Ks'er we did say the person's name and i won't here. That aside for the next 30-45 min the two remained in the area and frequently said the beginning of my wife's name (Both RL and IG) mixed in with there language... and i know some ones going to say Screenie and report it but lets be honest .. i doubt OS has the time to pull up a translator and figure out what language it is and what was said ... This is what aggravates me the most ...

>.> .... sorry for rant

[Jsonthegreat]

I just want you to know that I am one of those people who DO NOT like hearing foul languages or cursed words.

Do asteriks (*) offend you aswell?

[cercia]

.. i doubt OS has the time to pull up a translator and figure out what language it is and what was said

Actually, they have to.

See, I've had several conversations in Japanese on the game, and I've found out that words in Japanese aren't censored, because its romanji, and as far as I know, the word filter isn't checking against a Japanese database. Extrapolating this to other languages, its very easy for someone speaking Spanish (or any other language that can be typed in the English language keyboard) to verbally harass someone - which is a violation of ToS.

[Serric]

This question has been asked before, but I will attempt to answer it again. Let me start with the basic fact that the ***’s are here to stay.

There was a debate in the past about whether or not to remove some words from the censor list, such as the infamous “clam”. The debate evolved (or de-evolved) into a discussion which raised the question, if we allow some words, where do we draw the line? The fear was, crack open the dike and expect a flood.

Some of the censored words seem inane. Clam, class, etc. and I’ll be the first to admit the censor module needs some fine tuning. However, in the scheme of things, this is a terribly minor inconvenience as opposed to gameplay issues. Other words in other languages may be blocked by the censor module regardless of content, but that is merely an effect of the limited module itself and is not intended to block non-English languages, although no language other than English is supported on these games or on these forums.

You will also notice that some NPC’s have quest language that, should a player attempt to use similar language, would be censored. This is a translation issue and one they have been looking at for some time, but again, as it doesn’t affect gameplay it is on the lower end of the priority list.

So, in short, get used to the ***’s. Normally I would not advise a workaround for the censor module but clams being a quest item, I can see the need to ask “Where are the clams?” So, try klams, in stead of clams.

Class, as in ‘which class are you’ will always be censored because the module does not recognize a word from its parts. i.e. it will always come out cl***. Therefore, klass would still be kl***. You can ask ‘which occ are you? (occupation) or something similar to get your message across.

Please note, the workarounds I have suggested are for these words only. Any attempt to work around genuinely censored words will be considered a violation and may result in action taken against your account.

I hope this helps a little…

[cercia]

"Class" is no longer censored, unless that regressed.

"Classess," however, is.

[palmfruits]

its getting cussed out or bad mouthed in another language.

Yeah, I've seen people cursing in French, even though it was all misspelled. However I just got too lazy to report it and that was a while back D:

[poolplayermaster]

i'll give some credit that the spanish curse words or at least some of them are censored.

I have actually sat alone in an area where noone would see me type for not being close enough and tryed all cuss words and spanish words i could think of and beleive me i know a good ammount of them and came up with even some spanish curse words that are indeed censored, but sadly other languages are not such as japanese.

im sure i could scream out ketsu ketsu ketsu ketsu serverwide with a roar and noone would even realise i was saying a$$ in japanese. Or even the well known chichi which any dbz fan should know is japanese for t1t.

But i think we are all exsepcted to be mature when we play this game obviously that is exspecting too much. But im glad that even a CL can udnerstand that some words are rediculous and unneccesarily censored. Small words even like butt you can't even say butt and you know how kids are "i bet my mage could kick your fighters ****" but of course butt isn't allowed what are we supposed to say kick your behind your hiney your rear end, oh i know your glutious maximus.

Really and seriously iw ould just once like to see this master list of all words being censored wether it be partially censored or fully. At least give us a chance to know what words we can and cannot say. i can see it now some kid age 13 of course "ah man this sucks i need a butt load of clams and can't find any" or "hey guys i heard mage class kicks butt" and of course half those 2 sentences will be **** and possibly get them banned for saying words that a 3 yo could say.

[shadowhawk18]

1)This question has been asked before, but I will attempt to answer it again. Let me start with the basic fact that the ***’s are here to stay.

2) There was a debate in the past about whether or not to remove some words from the censor list, such as the infamous “clam”. The debate evolved (or de-evolved) into a discussion which raised the question, if we allow some words, where do we draw the line? The fear was, crack open the dike and expect a flood.

3) Some of the censored words seem inane. Clam, class, etc. and I’ll be the first to admit the censor module needs some fine tuning. However, in the scheme of things, this is a terribly minor inconvenience as opposed to gameplay issues. Other words in other languages may be blocked by the censor module regardless of content, but that is merely an effect of the limited module itself and is not intended to block non-English languages, although no language other than English is supported on these games or on these forums.

4) You will also notice that some NPC’s have quest language that, should a player attempt to use similar language, would be censored. This is a translation issue and one they have been looking at for some time, but again, as it doesn’t affect gameplay it is on the lower end of the priority list.

5) So, in short, get used to the ***’s. Normally I would not advise a workaround for the censor module but clams being a quest item, I can see the need to ask “Where are the clams?” So, try klams, in stead of clams.
Class, as in ‘which class are you’ will always be censored because the module does not recognize a word from its parts. i.e. it will always come out cl***. Therefore, klass would still be kl***. You can ask ‘which occ are you? (occupation) or something similar to get your message across.

6) Please note, the workarounds I have suggested are for these words only. Any attempt to work around genuinely censored words will be considered a violation and may result in action taken against your account.

I hope this helps a little…

1) Yes, the ***'s NEED to stay, but such things like "Clam" or "Cl@$$e$" should not be blocked out. It becomes a hassle to mask words either by a foreign language or by use of leet (Such as the Cl@$$e$ shown above. Leet replaces letters, such as "A" or "S" with symbols or numbers that look similar, such as 4 or @ for A and 5 or $ for S).

2) My fear is, what IF those kind of words ARENT removed? I fully understand someone could say "Get your GLASS out of here" as a bypass, but, words have different meanings and forms in not only English but other languages as well. As Ive explained, the word "as*" has two simple meanings. First, the rude form most commonly used today and secondly, the proper name of a Donkey, less used today but still taught by many southern parents or grandparents.

3) These kind of languages NEED to be supported because, not EVERYONE speaks English or English well. Lets say someone speaking Spanish knows little English and often confuse words or use the Spanish word instead. SHOULD that persons language be blocked from the game? Secondly, SHOULD they be punished for mistyping a word (Such as, that person wants to say "Apple" but confuses the "P"'s with "S"'s, making the word "As$le")? And if not that, there is always someone that KNOWS the language well enough to cuss someone out in another language. Now, I WILL give a congratz to OS for censoring some common leet, but theres still more that can be said. I myself know most leet and can easily bypass the filter (Such as 84574|?c|, which translated equals 8 as B, 4 as A, 5 as S, 7 as T, 4 as A, |? as R and c| as D.) so, the filter still needs some work though, I HIGHLY doubt many have the skill or time to translate a large amount of Leet during a battle or to type large about of leet during battle.

4) Yes, it gets annoying that an NPC has unfiltered words, same with weapons, as I first said. Lets say I want to buy a "B@$t@rd Sword" from someone (Lvl 50 Cleverfighter Two Handed Sword). Since the first part of the name comes out to be "B******" in the game, it gets hard to communicate. So, in short, it COULD affect gameplay if weapons, armors or monsters have part of a censored word.

5) Yes, such bypasses such as klams could work but, OCC? Not EVERYONE knows that abbreviation. And Jobs also could be confused with your real life work (As not many people associate Job and Class as the same during gameplay). Even IF another bypass was thought up, it might not be as common or widely used, which again, would lead to confusion among people.

6) For your last part, I would like to point out that many people REALLY dont care if someone cusses in a guild or acad. Many people just dont care because cussing is so widely used now, that now many younger kids use such words, either from the bad habits of their parents or from the bad habits of their peers. I will be the first to admit willingly that I myself use cuss words, though I ALWAYS make sure that when in real life, I check for younger kids or in game, I make sure if its cool with the people Im partying with or my guild. And if its cool with whoever, its only 3 words most times, the S word, D word and A word, which only the S word is filtered.