Is Helga Free for all anymore?

[enjoi_it]

Well recently other guilds have been attempting to do helga but have been getting warred because one guild decides who's "Turn" it is. I thought helga was a free mob but when people war others to get the kill is it even worth it.

This morning aristocrats attempted to do a helga raid but were interupted by {Guild} because they want all the helga's to themselves. Tanking helga and a guild is rather hard so in the end the guild killed them off and then took helga for them self. They were forced to leave even though they in fact brought helga to the gate and did damage on it.

Why are people warring over one mob? I believe the drop atm is to high so {Guild} is taking advantage of it by doing as many as possible before it is lowered so they have as many as possible. This is wrong because other little guilds want to try it but are unable because one guild believes they are boss. Great to know one guild controls the mob eh?

All i am trying to say is this "helga" as a free monster is not entirely true when one guild controls it. How are others suppose to get a helga weapon? FORCED TO BUY ONE!!!!!


{Guild} is replaced with the actual guild to prevent blacklisting.. If you really want to know contact me lolz

[slayerbeing]

vary true and vary lame i thought people were above this and i thought helga was a server raid not a single guild controlled raid.....and nice spelling btw

[Chaola]

Take Screen-shots and fill a report.

[enjoi_it]

Take Screen-shots and fill a report.

In fact this actually working is slim. There is no rule that you cant war over bosses and if there is i am so turning in all 11 of these ss i got ^^ i think you are allowed to kill them but not allowed to "train" them so if they killed them in helga's tomb i think nothing can be done or os wont do anything

[Chaola]

Well, guild wars are usually being held in town.

For that guild to war you, and come hunt you down in HT, they must have known you were there.

So why warring you at that precise moment ?

It can easily fit as harassment or downgrading the playtime of a fellow Isyan.

[luckywalker07]

Well recently other guilds have been attempting to do helga but have been getting warred because one guild decides who's "Turn" it is. I thought helga was a free mob but when people war others to get the kill is it even worth it.

This morning aristocrats attempted to do a helga raid but were interupted by {Guild} because they want all the helga's to themselves. Tanking helga and a guild is rather hard so in the end the guild killed them off and then took helga for them self. They were forced to leave even though they in fact brought helga to the gate and did damage on it.

First thing I'd like to say is that 5 people doesn't constitute a Helga raid. The individuals you mentioned actually made the raid substantially more difficult by not controlling the add-ons and not pulling helga to the gate. This cost {GUILD} to have all its DD's killed off. Essentially, {GUILD} was trained.


Why are people warring over one mob? I believe the drop atm is to high so {Guild} is taking advantage of it by doing as many as possible before it is lowered so they have as many as possible. This is wrong because other little guilds want to try it but are unable because one guild believes they are boss. Great to know one guild controls the mob eh?

{GUILD} has stepped aside multiple times to let any other guild attempt Helga raids. However, {GUILD} did all the work during this event in question, and trying to attack Helga right at the end for a Helga weapon is cheap. When you can kill it you earned it. Trying to munch off another guild seems a little low.


All i am trying to say is this "helga" as a free monster is not entirely true when one guild controls it. How are others suppose to get a helga weapon? FORCED TO BUY ONE!!!!!


{Guild} is replaced with the actual guild to prevent blacklisting.. If you really want to know contact me lolz

[silksilk]

Luke im disappointed, sorry but helga is free for all, and what you guys did was uncalled for, but its alright no flaming here we will simply come to every helga raid and see if this continues every time.

Out of all the members of {Guild} i did not expect you as an older member to be so selfish.

[luckywalker07]

Silk I was one of those DD's that died.

Think of it this way: your lvl 75 and your killing Giant Harpy to get a drop to improve your character. Then all of a sudden another party runs in and tried to steal the work and time you put into it. You'd be mad.

If your guild would like to have a Helga raid, go for it. Rye will willingly set out. What happened yesterday seems a little cheap in my opinion. Although our information comes from varying perspectives and is therefore bias. Since we have differing information, I really don't want to argue over it anymore.

[Ciocolajs]

Woooooooooooooooot Moaaar drama Q.Q.

[_Blankie_]

Ahhh, more drama. I love this, it makes the game more interesting. No competition, no improvement. Think of it this way, if your the one doing the work in bed all the time, it gets a little boring. Sometimes you just want the other person to do their share as well. If you want the pleasure, you gotta take the pain. Oh yeah, we were talking about helga?

[luckywalker07]

Ahhh, more drama. I love this, it makes the game more interesting. No competition, no improvement. Think of it this way, if your the one doing the work in bed all the time, it gets a little boring. Sometimes you just want the other person to do their share as well. If you want the pleasure, you gotta take the pain. Oh yeah, we were talking about helga?

frisky as always lol

:D

[ultrAslangorki]

agreed rip...
if your guild can kill it,do it,we will let you try
but if your guild cant kill it,just watch it and dont ruin
kthxbai

[hypergummi]

Well recently other guilds have been attempting to do helga but have been getting warred because one guild decides who's "Turn" it is. I thought helga was a free mob but when people war others to get the kill is it even worth it.

This morning aristocrats attempted to do a helga raid but were interupted by {Guild} because they want all the helga's to themselves. Tanking helga and a guild is rather hard so in the end the guild killed them off and then took helga for them self. They were forced to leave even though they in fact brought helga to the gate and did damage on it.

Why are people warring over one mob? I believe the drop atm is to high so {Guild} is taking advantage of it by doing as many as possible before it is lowered so they have as many as possible. This is wrong because other little guilds want to try it but are unable because one guild believes they are boss. Great to know one guild controls the mob eh?

All i am trying to say is this "helga" as a free monster is not entirely true when one guild controls it. How are others suppose to get a helga weapon? FORCED TO BUY ONE!!!!!


{Guild} is replaced with the actual guild to prevent blacklisting.. If you really want to know contact me lolz

http://outspark.com/forums/showpost.php?p=333166&postcount=1

thats the link to the guild warring rules. If you feel that one or more of the rules (not the guidelines) has been broken and you have the screenshots to show it, report it and let outspark decide if the rules were broken, and let them take action


this kinda reminds me of GOC farming and a incident that happened a LONG time ago......I was helping a friend complete the goc quest when a guild comes in and tries to steal the kill, and when we didn't back off, his guild got warred and he was killed right there.... a few people got jailed for that one

[Ciocolajs]

Ahhh, more drama. I love this, it makes the game more interesting. No competition, no improvement. Think of it this way, if your the one doing the work in bed all the time, it gets a little boring. Sometimes you just want the other person to do their share as well. If you want the pleasure, you gotta take the pain. Oh yeah, we were talking about helga?

or just pleasure her alot? And tease her so she just want it?

[itriedtoquit]

As you mentioned, Helga of course is a free mob and everyone has the right to raid it--no one single guild or person owns the rights to Helga. It is just like any other mob/boss in the game. It is on a first come, first serve basis and who gets to it first has the right to kill it.

Ryekarayn does not decide who gets to raid Helga and who does not. Just like any other dungeon boss (eg. GGK, GOC) we simply raid it whenever we can. Just last week, another guild attempted a solo-guild raid on Helga. The important point to be made here is that they did not "ask Rye for permission." They contacted us and asked us to just stay away so they can raid Helga uninterrupted. And we were more than happy to comply.

In response to your accusations made, I can tell you that during the raid in question, there were representatives from several guilds. Their names will not be listed here to be in line with blacklisting rules but with their permission, I will connect anyone who wishes to ask them personally for their account of the event. But facts are these: When Rye began their raid, Aristo had 3-4 members in shrooms in Helga's Tomb. Ryekarayn had well over 20 members, nearly 30 in total, to participate in the raid. We scrolled and charmed, cleared the map of mobs, and pulled helga to gate. At this point, the Aristo members had decided to join the raid. Rye has a certain way we kill Helga; we have a plan that we follow. Aristo members, though understandably, were not aware of our plans but ended up pulling Helga and placed Helga in a strategically less-than optimal location. This added hardships to the raid, forcing us to deal with additional mobs that we normally avoid and resulted in numerous deaths and increased consumption of SC items. No one wants to spend SC that need not be used.

As stated previously, there were non-Rye and non-Aristo members present at this raid and some even aided us. If you wish to ask them for a 3rd party view, PM me and I will do my best to connect you to them.

Ryekarayan, just like any other guild, has the right to raid Helga and any other mob in this game. And as previously stated, we simply kill it whenever we can. But to say that no one else has killed it or attempted it, is inaccurate. There have been several server raids and solo-guild attempts, both successful and not successful, carried on by other guilds.

It sounds to me that Rye is being asked not to raid Helga at all. But should Rye not enjoy the same rights as everyone else? It seems to me that the core of the matter here is that Rye is raiding Helga, not that Helga is being raided. You imply that Rye thinks of itself as above everyone else but in asking us not to raid a mob that everyone has a right to, Rye is being handicapped, unable exercise rights that everyone else on the server is free to enjoy.

[silksilk]

Its seems like we were in helge and the war did seem like it was because we were in helga which is free for all, and
the war did seem like GTFO please type of deal.

http://aristocratsguild.com/forums/gallery/6_26_03_09_2_03_23.jpeg

[ultrAslangorki]

blacklisting o.o

[Raindrops527]

Do note. look at the Screen shot. The war was declared after we clear all the mob pulled helga, killed helga.
The notice of helga is dead and war declaration at the same time
is for all to see.


You really did make the raid totally difficult for all of us. Helga is meant to be pulled to the gate to be kill away from kallaps/hell guardian.

We did all the work, tried to pull helga but helga isn't moving as your went straight for helga before it is being pulled.
It put us in situation where we die unneccessarily. Drink cash pot unnesseccarily.

Did you tell others that u guys just went straight for helga after we clear all the kallaps and hell guardian? No
Hold aggro on helga in the middle of the map while we try to pull to the end of the gate? No
Did u tell others the war is declare after helga is dead? No.

IF it is a GTFO deal, we do it before u could cost all of us so many scrolls and cash pot.

[wannabeguyo]

One's true self shines in these situations. Any one will do almost anything over the internet because they feel as though they can't be touched from behind that screen. A lot of people are selfish, liars, thieves, idiots, and just plain bad people. Don't let it affect you, just shun them. Helga is a mob that anyone can fight at anytime. There is no set cycle for who goes next, how ever if this guild was claiming that the spot was theirs then it is reportable under "spot claiming"

[Jen1073]

this is a complicated situation. I do think that all guilds in this situation are at fault. The main warring guild that is able to kill helga all the time and the other guild that came to give it a try. BOTH of you were at fault and you know it.

Now clearly the stories are mixed up here...who knows what actually happened 'cause ive seen at least 5 different versions.
IF another guild came in the middle of raid and attempting to participate without discussing with the guild already raiding wasn't appriopirate. BUT the fact that the main guild raiding took the war to town then spent an hr spawn killing and mouthing off trash talk in shout wasn't cool either.
If the 2nd guild was there before the main guild (the dominant) guild was there...who aer you to say what consititutes a raid. If they have a party there to try and you weren't there first...you don't WAR them to prevent their raid.

But no one knows for sure what happens. I do know there was a war over it.

How about we be nicer to eachother. Yea there is a guild on this server that dominates all the rest. Of course they do...they have 90 8x players or so, complaining about it doesn't help. If their presense bothers you, or their dominance....make it a challenge and do something about it.


As for that guild, (and im not gonna name it you know who you are) i love a lot of you, but MAN the talk you guys were doing last night in shout realy made me lose respect for some of you. It was unecessary. I get why you warred...but the arogance that you shouted in uruga (well some) was so obnoxious i had to block a lot of you. Ya maybe if thats what happend (and only you guys that were there know what actually happened) you had a right to war. BUT (and maybe you don't care) if you don't want people making threads and b****ing about it then maybe just keep your fingers concentrating on killing them instead of mouthing off so much in shout while you spawn kill people.

[istorage]

Its seems like we were in helge and the war did seem like it was because we were in helga which is free for all, and
the war did seem like GTFO please type of deal.

<image that doesn't fit the screen here>

What's the secret behind fully empowering invincible? I'm confused.


really really really really really really really really long post

Aren't you the one that said you had a short attention span. tl;dr D:<

[Croatian]

To answer your question..

No, Helga is not free for all anymore. Its more or less the Rye's Helga and if you ever want to kill it, you have to personally message stormy and ask for permission so he can hold back the helga thirsty members. (No, i am not lying CK had to do this so i guess everyone else has to as well)

Oh and if you manage to be the first one to helga, please do not complain about a war by them when your finished completing your raid.


Honestly i think one way outspark can solve this issue is to make it like this one game I play..

Make it so Helga is basically like a instance that you have 1 hour to complete and you can only do this instance once every week? or in the game i play its once every 2 days. That way its everyone's Helga and no one will war over it at all =D and everyone can be all happy hehe.

This would be more like a Guild instance and not one you have to be in a party for. That way you can get more than 5 people in lol.

[Gielen]

Btw 5 mins after the declaration to get ready right??? Means also we warred in uruga with them? Nothing Wrong with this Right? :confused:

If all this (guild) members goes to another guild to help the raid will the other guild reputation also being penalized?

Building a strong guild is it an offence in Fiesta? If it is so i need to npc all my gears and recreate lvl 1 all the way in roumen killing slime. Woot! SLIME FTW!

I think in FFXI some ppl camp over night for the EPIC MONSTER drop. Just that alarm clock helps!

I am a noob pls advise.


My grandma spank my *** from buying too many cookies / Cash pots for helga.

Stormy PAY UP!:mad:

[Raindrops527]

This is wrong because other little guilds want to try it but are unable because one guild believes they are boss. Great to know one guild controls the mob eh?

All i am trying to say is this "helga" as a free monster is not entirely true when one guild controls it. How are others suppose to get a helga weapon? FORCED TO BUY ONE!!!!!


Glad you bring it out in public.
No we do not think we are boss nor claim helga is for us only.
We raid helga when we can. Just like everyone kill a boss when they can.
When u are killing a boss, U clear all the mobs around to get to the boss.
Do u appreciate it when people come in for the last kill? or pull all the respawn mobs around u and train u with it?
I am sure u don't. Most or all of us dun.

We raid helga when we can. Anyone is free to raid it. But disrupting our raid and just coming in for helga after we do all the job is another story.

And no. we do not dictate whose turn it is to raid helga. We just raid it whenever we can. But was requested not to raid it so others can raid it.

We are being requested not to raid helga turn into we are dictating who has the right to raid helga.

Sigh

[Enlightened09]

Make it so Helga is basically like a instance that you have 1 hour to complete and you can only do this instance once every week? or in the game i play its once every 2 days. That way its everyone's Helga and no one will war over it at all =D and everyone can be all happy hehe.

This would be more like a Guild instance and not one you have to be in a party for. That way you can get more than 5 people in lol.


The only problem with this is the Helga weapons drop. If Helga becomes an Instance dungeon, then there will be a ridiculous surplus of Helgait weapons and yeah, idk how that'd work out.

But making Helga an Instance dungeon would solve many many problems.


~doesn't comment on the rest of the thread~

[Raindrops527]

To answer your question..

No, Helga is not free for all anymore. Its more or less the Rye's Helga and if you ever want to kill it, you have to personally message stormy and ask for permission so he can hold back the helga thirsty members. (No, i am not lying CK had to do this so i guess everyone else has to as well)

Oh and if you manage to be the first one to helga, please do not complain about a war by them when your finished completing your raid.


Ah, so a favour requested by Contract healer for us not to raid helga become asking me permission to allow CK to raid huh?

Our effort at buffing and reviving CK members during the raid wasn't mention as well?

Nm was also the only guild that manage to kill helga twice. During NM first raid, we left the map and try not to disrupt their raid. We were buffing them when there are members returning to helga map.
We were also later requested to help.
We also got both helga drop, and also share the drop with NM

We help when we are requested to. Walk away when are are asked nicely. And also deal with all kind of intentional and unintentional disruption.

There was no thanks. But there were Omitted Facts. Twisted truth.

Why do I even try

[WarpstonePsycho]

I think there are a few issues at hand here
1. a guild warred over a map/mob/spawn spot etc... tisk tisk anyway you look at it thats the wrong action, as listed in the TOS and becouse masters of both guilds involved are nto children. Their adults who should by all means be able to drop things and work them out.
2. It became a lot of drama in uruga through people yelling at each other in shout. both parties trashing the other.
3. we have 1 guild that due to an abundance of highly powerful players that have clumped together from the falling apart of a larger comunity, acting entitled to the fate of Helgas spawn and thus the drops that come from it. Only through annoucing ones self prior to the date, will that guild give another guild or team of people the opportunity to kill it. Anyone who showes up unannouced with a team / party / guild is an outcast due to their not being part of the elite force.

The real issue here is the guild that has been controlling the fate of helga every day is there waiting for it knwoing exactly when it will spawn. Also due to the spawn time of helga this leavs a vast majority of the comunity asleep when it happens. whiles the spawn time can change due to killing time prep time etc. So when other parties show up to attempt a raid, their going to have to deal with a guild that rivals them unless previously anoucing their intentions to the other guild in hopes that will amount to something. Begging someone essentally for their chance to have some part of the action.

right there is where i see the main problem. its the entitlement and persistance at owning a specific element of the game to the exculsion of the vast majority of the fiesta comunitty. I know both guilds and like many of the members in both guilds and seriously i would expect more from you in terms of comunicating with each other.

[Croatian]

Ah, so a favour requested by Contract healer for us not to raid helga become asking me permission to allow CK to raid huh?
Correct =D


Our effort at buffing and reviving CK members during the raid wasn't mention as well?

Omitted Facts. Twisted truth. oh well

I was not going into detail with the raid. I have nothing against you guys really owning helga every chance you get, I am just explaining to other people that if they want a clean raid they must ask you for a "favour" as you say.

To be honest i dont remember them ressing us, but i was there for only half of it unless you count luke who is a CK member o.O.

I did not Twist anything, i just failed to mention it lol, because i don't really recall it. But Gratz to you and your clerics =D

[istorage]

I think there are a few issues at hand here
1. a guild warred over a map/mob/spawn spot etc... tisk tisk anyway you look at it thats the wrong action, as listed in the TOS and becouse masters of both guilds involved are nto children. Their adults who should by all means be able to drop things and work them out.
2. It became a lot of drama in uruga through people yelling at each other in shout. both parties trashing the other.
3. we have 1 guild that due to an abundance of highly powerful players that have clumped together from the falling apart of a larger comunity, acting entitled to the fate of Helgas spawn and thus the drops that come from it. Only through annoucing ones self prior to the date, will that guild give another guild or team of people the opportunity to kill it. Anyone who showes up unannouced with a team / party / guild is an outcast due to their not being part of the elite force.

The real issue here is the guild that has been controlling the fate of helga every day is there waiting for it knwoing exactly when it will spawn. Also due to the spawn time of helga this leavs a vast majority of the comunity asleep when it happens. whiles the spawn time can change due to killing time prep time etc. So when other parties show up to attempt a raid, their going to have to deal with a guild that rivals them unless previously anoucing their intentions to the other guild in hopes that will amount to something. Begging someone essentally for their chance to have some part of the action.

right there is where i see the main problem. its the entitlement and persistance at owning a specific element of the game to the exculsion of the vast majority of the fiesta comunitty. I know both guilds and like many of the members in both guilds and seriously i would expect more from you in terms of comunicating with each other.

I thought Helga's death resulted in a server wide message hence knowing the time of death doesn't matter? And last week it died between 8AM CST and 1PM CST. That's really not a ludicrous time to be awake for the Fiesta community.


I was not going into detail with the raid. I have nothing against you guys really owning helga every chance you get, I am just explaining to other people that if they want a clean raid they must ask you for a "favour" as you say.

To be honest i dont remember them ressing us, but i was there for only half of it unless you count luke who is a CK member o.O.

I did not Twist anything, i just failed to mention it lol, because i don't really recall it. But Gratz to you and your clerics =D

I WAS THERE T5 BUFFING AND REVIVING. I tanked the red kallaps that kept trying to stab things in the back. I even got asked to drop tag so that I could be in CK for the screenshot, but I am full of lazy and told Far I would warp out before the screen at the end. I understand I am pretty epic fail but I still exist. Q___________Q

I don't really think 5 people is enough to run a raid, but maybe I am wrong. Also if you are saying that you are informing others that they must ask Stormy for a clean raid...then isn't that kinda implying guilds should have the ability to have a clean raid? Thinking cap is off since I'm not at school. idk lol D:<

[slayerbeing]

ok well how about this everyone helga=sever raid.....DONT WAR IN HELGA DAMNIT EASY EASY EASY

[Enlightened09]

~sigh~ When CK raided, Jen nearly had to beg Stormy not to raid. He told her that he didn't think his guildies would listen to him and not come and raid. Some non-CK members did show up when we went to kill Helga and they were all asked to leave and refused. The things that they did there were not asked for and were at the will of themselves.

-Jen asked permission of Stormy for CK to raid one day.
-Jen nearly had to beg for us to be allowed to raid.
-Rye members (as well as other guilds too) came, unasked, and tried to "help."
-CKs was attempting a solo guild raid and thus asked the non-CKs members to leave.
-Many did not leave and helped at their own will.
-End of story.

[Jen1073]

Guys leave CK out of it.

we had our raid yes....yes there was a discussion with stormy before hand.
Yes there were Rye in the tomb when we tried our raid, and not all clerics. Some went a head an 'helped' kill mobs even tho we asked to do it on our own. Some healed....some reved..uh i guess....i didn't see that part.

For good or bad that is what happened...some helped in a helpful way..some helped in a way that we just said..well i gues there isn't a lot we can do about it...so we asked them to join CK just for the raid if they weren't gonna leave, which they did.

Those are the facts. now leave CK out of this. I already have ONE guild master yelling at me on msn 'cause im a back stabbing 'b****' cause i didn't defend his guild enough.

Emotions are just too high in this right now. Guys seriously! work it out! The people involved in this are adults not 12 yr olds. Have some respect for the people you've been playing this game with for over a year.

[slayerbeing]

ok so people are saying askign rye for permission to helga raid......if there are ppl there doing it wow maybe we shouldnt have to ask one guild for premission to do a raid jeeze. i mean i wasnt there i dont kno what went on all i kno is that rye warred aristo bc they were there...and i heard some one say they warred in uruga.....bc they were in the tomb come on ppl weere not stupid here

[itriedtoquit]

To answer your question..

No, Helga is not free for all anymore. Its more or less the Rye's Helga and if you ever want to kill it, you have to personally message stormy and ask for permission so he can hold back the helga thirsty members. (No, i am not lying CK had to do this so i guess everyone else has to as well)

We had a lengthy discussion in our guild chat just a few weeks ago discussing this very point. The point of the discussion was to make sure that all members understood clearly that Helga does not "belong" to Rye. We all understand that Helga is there for anyone to take and our guild master MADE SURE we understood that no one asks us for permission. There is a big difference between asking for our permission, and asking us to not interfere if a guild wishes to raid uninterrupted. We cannot "give permission" to something which we do not own.

CK contacted us and told us they had planned on raiding Helga, and asked us to stay away, since it is likely that we would raid otherwise. They were asking for us not to come in there, much like if you came and tried to KS a boss I was working on, I would ask you to stay away. That does not constitute me asking for your permission to kill a GH, it's simply asking for some space. There is a difference, a subtle one perhaps, but fundamentally very important.



3. we have 1 guild that due to an abundance of highly powerful players that have clumped together from the falling apart of a larger comunity, acting entitled to the fate of Helgas spawn and thus the drops that come from it. Only through annoucing ones self prior to the date, will that guild give another guild or team of people the opportunity to kill it. Anyone who showes up unannouced with a team / party / guild is an outcast due to their not being part of the elite force.

The real issue here is the guild that has been controlling the fate of helga every day is there waiting for it knwoing exactly when it will spawn. Also due to the spawn time of helga this leavs a vast majority of the comunity asleep when it happens. whiles the spawn time can change due to killing time prep time etc. So when other parties show up to attempt a raid, their going to have to deal with a guild that rivals them unless previously anoucing their intentions to the other guild in hopes that will amount to something. Begging someone essentally for their chance to have some part of the action.

right there is where i see the main problem. its the entitlement and persistance at owning a specific element of the game to the exculsion of the vast majority of the fiesta comunitty. I know both guilds and like many of the members in both guilds and seriously i would expect more from you in terms of comunicating with each other.

I think the first part of my post answers your concerns to a point. We are able to raid Helga as a guild, so we do it often, that is no secret. Not all guilds are able to solo it at this point in time, but this does not mean that I feel "entitled" to it.

At the end of your post, you call for more open communication which I completely agree with. But in just the paragraph before, you berate Rye on the basis that believe people must "announce Rye for permissions" prior to a planned guild raid. I will ignore your use of the word "beg," but know that it's distasteful. But back to my point. Your two paragraphs are hypocritical, aren't they? Whether it be Rye or Ck or anyone else... if two guilds communicate prior to any given raid and discuss exclusivity or even cooperation, that is a form of communication, is it not? And I believe you call for communication.

And if the "real issue" is over the spawn time of Helga, then we have no problem at all. It is public knowledge that Helga has a 24hr spawn time. When Helga is killed, a message is announced to the server.


this is a complicated situation. I do think that all guilds in this situation are at fault. The main warring guild that is able to kill helga all the time and the other guild that came to give it a try. BOTH of you were at fault and you know it.
It is a sticky situation and one that I hope will die down. But by your admission, you are going off many 2nd and 3rd hand accounts of the events so please don't simplify the situation and try to take the moral high ground. What's important is not pointing fingers and designating fault, but to resolve the issue at hand as quickly as possible so that Bijou and our forums aren't plastered with drama constantly in the upcoming weeks.


Now clearly the stories are mixed up here...who knows what actually happened 'cause ive seen at least 5 different versions.
IF another guild came in the middle of raid and attempting to participate without discussing with the guild already raiding wasn't appriopirate. BUT the fact that the main guild raiding took the war to town then spent an hr spawn killing and mouthing off trash talk in shout wasn't cool either.
If the 2nd guild was there before the main guild (the dominant) guild was there...who aer you to say what consititutes a raid. If they have a party there to try and you weren't there first...you don't WAR them to prevent their raid.

But no one knows for sure what happens. I do know there was a war over it.
There was a war, yes. The rest of your post appears to be based on incomplete or misinformation.

There was no war to prevent another guild from raiding.

There was no spawn killing. We made sure not to engage in spawn killing.

I do admit I was not watching chat, so I cannot comment about the supposed trash talking.

--

Contract_Healer (I apologize for the inaccurate spelling of your name but I'm not sure what number goes where), you know better than most that when you told us to stay out of Helga's Tomb when your guild wanted to raid, we did just that. In fact, I even helped out your raid by providing equipment; you can ask one of your guild's clerics present at that raid. It appears that one of your guildmates feels you guys had to "beg" us for permission to raid Helga. This is definitely not the case, and I hope that you will clear this with him.

[drycl3an0nly]

i think... helga should gtfo of isya and all the weapons should disappear =)


buuuu helga.


yayyyyy .... everything else.

[KaizokuEpic]

To answer your question..

No, Helga is not free for all anymore. Its more or less the Rye's Helga and if you ever want to kill it, you have to personally message stormy and ask for permission

lmfaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolololololololol

roflroflroflroflroflroflrofl...

There was no spawn killing. We made sure not to engage in spawn killing.

ur serious? so...i didnt get spawn killed for an hour lol? just becuase YOU werent the one doing the spawn killing doesnt mean it didnt happen.

[fearmentor]

FYI requesting us to not attempt a raid constitutes as spot claiming. Training people during a raid is also against rules.. So because we can we do? Im afraid the way certain people have responded to this has left me to believe envy plays a big part in the way people respond and this thread highlights it... When a player solo farms a boss.. its due the a few factors.. for example time effort and planning? on a larger scale it is the same. We could easily just raid it soon as it spawns and not take in requests for spot claiming which is basically what is being made....

I wasnt there for the subsequent war or the raid in question and yes I've heard form several different sources what has happened.

If indeed members of Rye guild were involving themselves in trash talk we will deal with that internally we have never tolerated such behaviour. Also I do feel people are jumping on the bandwagon a few people who have posted in this thread aren't exactly innocent of said behaviour and I could easily start giving example and such as are being given. Its a case of pot calling the kettle black.. I'd urge a CL to close this thread now due to the nature and direction of which it has taken. When I first read this thread I had expected some drama but it has turned into a petty squabble which isn't likely to solve anything except create bad blood between members of the community.

[Ciocolajs]

Fiesta = Rl life?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/1228743156258.jpg
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THats me.. xD.. hahahahah
EDIT:(Sorry. But i cant just help it. I thought this was a game. To have "FUN" but woot. What does my brown eyes see XD? Drama Over A FRICKING BOSS ._. . this guild did that and that guild this. Please. DOnt take this Into the Forums. Cause only the "Guilds" emself know what happened. Dont make people belive into other things. Since one of the guilds are lying ofc ;x.


and... babe <3!!!!! fear <33! rye <33!

[drycl3an0nly]

Fiesta = Rl life?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/1228743156258.jpg
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THats me.. xD.. hahahahah

this made me giggle. a lot. :3

[itriedtoquit]

Fiesta = Rl life?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/1228743156258.jpg
/\
THats me.. xD.. hahahahah
EDIT:(Sorry. But i cant just help it. I thought this was a game. To have "FUN" but woot. What does my brown eyes see XD? Drama Over A FRICKING BOSS ._. . this guild did that and that guild this. Please. DOnt take this Into the Forums. Cause only the "Guilds" emself know what happened. Dont make people belive into other things. Since one of the guilds are lying ofc ;x.


and... babe <3!!!!! fear <33! rye <33!

... lol where do you get these ridiculous pictures? XD
*spank spank*

[Ciocolajs]

this made me giggle. a lot. :3

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/1229454256416.png

[Raindrops527]

3. we have 1 guild that due to an abundance of highly powerful players that have clumped together from the falling apart of a larger comunity, acting entitled to the fate of Helgas spawn and thus the drops that come from it. Only through annoucing ones self prior to the date, will that guild give another guild or team of people the opportunity to kill it. Anyone who showes up unannouced with a team / party / guild is an outcast due to their not being part of the elite force.


There are outside guild who have joined our raid. raid together with us. There are also many who disrupt our raid. Some intentionally, others unintentional. Why are they being viewed an outcast to the raid? Did they come with the intention to raid together or with other designs? When u deal with players purposely training. Pulling helga in another direction. How do u see them?

[Sharlyne]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/1229454256416.png

xxx D:< lol

[Ciocolajs]

... lol where do you get these ridiculous pictures? XD
*spank spank*

buy they are cute T-T
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/lawl.jpg

[Ciocolajs]

xxx D:< lol

heya mami xxx
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/4.jpg

[itriedtoquit]

buy they are cute T-T
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/lawl.jpg

... thanks eldy -_- i'm gonna have nightmares. for this... AI IS MINE!! D:<<<<

[fearmentor]

eldy heres one i thought was hilarious....


http://thephoenix.com/COMMUNITY/blogs/dontquoteme/drama.jpg

[Sharlyne]

heya mami xxx http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/4.jpghi papi lol http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee56/DeathDragon45/Emoticons/thiiyo.gif

[Ciocolajs]

... thanks eldy -_- i'm gonna have nightmares. for this... AI IS MINE!! D:<<<<

then ill... BE WITH MYSELF!
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/Bild000-1.jpg

[Jen1073]

Again..leave CK out of it. Imabae i appriciate the help you gave to my guildie in our raid. Not all your guildies were as gracious, there were a few that insisted on being their even tho i went to the trouble of discussing the situation before hand with stormy.

I personally never said i asked permission. I have guildies that feel frustrated that a discussion is even necessary and have opinions on what my discussion with stormy really was.


I don't think anyone can appriciate how difficult this situation is for me. I have known 2 of the leaders of rye for a very long time. Before this game in fact, we joined Fiesta together, in fact stormy joined at my urging.

I won't say i asked permission from stormy to raid, i will say that i asked him to stay away while we tried, and i will say that stormy made it clear that isn't fond of asking his guild not to raid since its something they love to do. I asked him as a friend to do this for me, and he did. In fact he made a guild message asking his guildies to give what help they could without interfering.
My guild knows it was a long discussion that i was uncomfortable having. We all wish we could be the best in the server, the best character, the best guild etc etc. We all feel a little bitter when we must accept that there are others out there that are more powerful or 'better' than us.

My guildies have some bitterness that a discussion was necessary at all, but its something i understand had to happen since Rye has the ability and the notion to raid Helga every night.

I will give credit that the majority of Rye was very gracious in staying away. As a i said above tho, there WERE some that came to 'help' some of this help was welcomed some was not. We just accepted that that was the way it was going to be.

There are many different emotions mixed up in this situation. I will admit that i wish my guild could just go beat helga when ever we want, regardless of time and ya i feel a little bitter sometimes that we can't, and that i have to plan for a week just to get enough guildies there and to organize with rye about when their raid is gonna be. BUT thats just the way it is.



lastly...imababe...i was in uruga last night. I saw botch being spawn killed. Just the combination of that and the arogant shouts is what left a bad taste in my mouth about this whole situation.

[Ciocolajs]

eldy heres one i thought was hilarious....


http://thephoenix.com/COMMUNITY/blogs/dontquoteme/drama.jpg

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/xxxporn.jpg
ROFL xD
the Angel of dramah!

[istorage]

... Thanks eldy -_- i'm gonna have nightmares. For this... Ai is mine!! D:<<<<

Now you have to cheat on me on the forums too? First I don't exist and now this. Worst wife ever. Q_Q

EDIT: Oh wait I just realized that was you broadcasting your intent to cheat on me. Even better. I want a divorce.

[Ciocolajs]

Now you have to cheat on me on the forums too? First I don't exist and now this. Worst wife ever. Q_Q

why dont you come join us?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/geyit.jpg <3

[WarpstonePsycho]

Its not a contradiction at all. our two guilds go back to before fiesta, so its granted that our relationship as guilds has always been good. I hope it still is

My point was this. guild 1 and 2 got into an argument last night that COULD have been avoided if the guilds had discussed things earlier. Thats true but completely unlikely, The fact is we had the opportunity to request a day and time to do it. thats not an option for many other people who do not have a direct line or ear of someone who would be receptive enough to listen let alone hold back the guild much as we had in our favour.

Whats happened is due to the abundance of power there is a sence of entitlement that has placed one guild in controll of an aspect of the game. This regular farming of helga (as many of the guild members have called it) in essense is claiming a spot. Now how each interaction that any particular guild will have to go through to either a. get a chance at killing helga or b. getting sent away. is irrelivant. the fact that there is the need for that interation.

Not everyone likes everyone and lots of egos at play in this game. Having to request someone not do something, cuz you want a chance, can be humiliating to someone Or very difficult if the person their speaking to is someone they have had little, bad, or no contact with. The regular planned non stop farming of a rare mob by a singular guild for the planned distrobution of its drops, detracts the quality of game play for everyone outside of said guild.

[fearmentor]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/xxxporn.jpg
ROFL xD
the Angel of dramah!

LMFAO angels and demons event? hahahahahahaha

also Jen your guildies have made it clear what they think and at least from all this we know where everyone stands. It's a shame really

[fearmentor]

http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/8207/0/Envy.ashx

this threads turned into a joke.. might as well make it so...

[Ciocolajs]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/haha.jpg
Im a internet herooo

[Sharlyne]

http://www.ratemyeverything.net/image/8207/0/Envy.ashx

this threads turned into a joke.. might as well make it so...

ewwwwwwwwwww doble posting D:<http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa298/sunnypb/Onion%20Head1s%20MSN%20Emoticons/f96d7368.gif

[WarpstonePsycho]

I was done till i saw this

Its not CKs dude . its all of Bijou. as someone who wishes the best for your guild i wish you would be able to use the power and skill you have to make Bijou a better place for all guilds through sharing and inclusion of people.

posting silly pictures doesnt ditract from the fact that there is an issue there and its not going to go away. unless you choose to show restraint and the desire to see your peers on the server have the fun you do

[itriedtoquit]

Its not a contradiction at all. our two guilds go back to before fiesta, so its granted that our relationship as guilds has always been good. I hope it still is

My point was this. guild 1 and 2 got into an argument last night that COULD have been avoided if the guilds had discussed things earlier. Thats true but completely unlikely, The fact is we had the opportunity to request a day and time to do it. thats not an option for many other people who do not have a direct line or ear of someone who would be receptive enough to listen let alone hold back the guild much as we had in our favour.

Whats happened is due to the abundance of power there is a sence of entitlement that has placed one guild in controll of an aspect of the game. This regular farming of helga (as many of the guild members have called it) in essense is claiming a spot. Now how each interaction that any particular guild will have to go through to either a. get a chance at killing helga or b. getting sent away. is irrelivant. the fact that there is the need for that interation.

Not everyone likes everyone and lots of egos at play in this game. Having to request someone not do something, cuz you want a chance, can be humiliating to someone Or very difficult if the person their speaking to is someone they have had little, bad, or no contact with. The regular planned non stop farming of a rare mob by a singular guild for the planned distrobution of its drops, detracts the quality of game play for everyone outside of said guild.

I'm not sure that you understood my previous post... I'll keep it short and recap my points :p

There is no need to 'request' to raid Helga. Think about this... say Helga spawns right now and you and your guild wants to go raid, so you go to raid. We also want to raid, so we go to raid. Part of the reason of the raid is to get the Helga drops, right?

Now two guilds, even if they cooperate during the raid, are essentially in competition for the drops. Helga raids, as everyone knows, takes a large amount of SC and in game currency. It's inevitable that one guild gets the drops, and the other will feel bitter. There's not a lot of good that can come out of this. So before the raid starts, one guild asks the other, "hey do you mind if we do this alone?"

That is not asking for permission. Like I said before, if I'm looking for a GH kill and you are in TR farming GH for drops.. I would ask you to leave one for me. That is not me asking you for permission; you do not own GH's or TR.

[istorage]

why dont you come join us?
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/geyit.jpg <3

If you make Babe sit in the corner for being bad. Now she's cheating on me with the posting function in order to make another tl;dr post. IT'S COMING GET OUT OF THE WAY. D:<

EDIT: Crap I was too late. Cover your eyes and save yourselves from the horror.

[Ciocolajs]

I was done till i saw this

Its not CKs dude . its all of Bijou. as someone who wishes the best for your guild i wish you would be able to use the power and skill you have to make Bijou a better place for all guilds through sharing and inclusion of people.

posting silly pictures doesnt ditract from the fact that there is an issue there and its not going to go away. unless you choose to show restraint and the desire to see your peers on the server have the fun you do

its not silly pictures D:! its funnyyhyh. And
EDIT "Ignore" xD the drama plox? xD. Its a game. Play it. Enjoy it. Dont Be Whining like some bunch of kids " NUUUU thats maaaaayy tooooy buaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaa
(sorry. Drinking doesnt make me Normal D:!*

[Jen1073]

you know whats really lame?

I now have 2 major guilds pissed at me 'cause i didn't out and out take someone's side.

[Ciocolajs]

you know whats really lame?

I now have 2 major guilds pissed at me 'cause i didn't out and out take someone's side.

Let them cry?
There are situations WHen you say something. And not choose anyones side. cause if you do. IT will only continue.

[itriedtoquit]

you know whats really lame?

I now have 2 major guilds pissed at me 'cause i didn't out and out take someone's side.

I hope you don't mean me :p I'm not urging anyone to take any sides at all, actually.. I want people to remain as neutral as possible to try to understand mine (and our reasoning) with an objective eye.

[Ciocolajs]

I hope you don't mean me :p I'm not urging anyone to take any sides at all, actually.. I want people to remain as neutral as possible to try to understand mine (and our reasoning) with an objective eye.

use my brown smexy eyeD:!

[fearmentor]

Im sorry but we've tried on numerous occassions which I don't feel the need to discuss here, to be considerate to others over us.. all that has gotten us the feeling of mistrust and betrayal and afterwards situations like this one now.. where in all honesty yourself and others from CK have twisted nothing into something. We don't have to be the nicer person all the time... all too often it's put us in a position where we end up being the "bad guy" I'm sorry but with all bosses, it's if u can u will... we dont have to leave the boss for others if its spawned we go kill it simple. Its come to the point where I will be fraps recording all raids from now on. If you find your pixels on youtube for whatever reason you can thank me for your 5mins of fame. regards and yes i am done with this thread its gotten to the point where all that comes to mind is "sour grapes"

[fearmentor]

mwhahah double post

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h241/Hell_Kaiser/Album%202/Double-poster-hater.gif?t=1238106149

[dethsgirl]

Asking people to leave is spot claiming, even if they're just there to watch. Since it's being preached that Helga should be for all I don't believe it's fair say that if you're one of the ones who's been asking people to leave while you're raiding. This counts for everyone. If you want to raid on your own then state it. But if people wish to observe they have every right. No one player owns Helga's Tomb. No one guild owns Helga's Tomb.

If you're going to interfere with a raid, with the intention of making it fail, then you had better expect people to be unhappy with you, same as if someone came in and messed up your GOC, GH, DGM kill, et cetera.

Just my opinion, but if you want to be holding a Hellgait weapon, maybe put more effort into building your character and helping your friends/guildies build theirs so that your raid will be easier and more successful. The old adage goes, you don't need to blow out someone else's light to make your own shine. Just shine. Just play the game and try not to initiate drama. If you want to rant at me for my two cents being put in do it on MSN or PM.

Jen: Don't feel forced to choose a side. What will happen is you will feel you must choose but that no one is on -your- side. We should all be getting along at this point, most of us are mature adults. There shouldn't be -sides- per se, though everyone has their point of view. But as Babe said, neutrality. I think it's needed.

[luckywalker07]

Whats happened is due to the abundance of power there is a sence of entitlement that has placed one guild in controll of an aspect of the game. This regular farming of helga (as many of the guild members have called it) in essense is claiming a spot. Now how each interaction that any particular guild will have to go through to either a. get a chance at killing helga or b. getting sent away. is irrelivant. the fact that there is the need for that interation.

Not everyone likes everyone and lots of egos at play in this game. Having to request someone not do something, cuz you want a chance, can be humiliating to someone Or very difficult if the person their speaking to is someone they have had little, bad, or no contact with. The regular planned non stop farming of a rare mob by a singular guild for the planned distrobution of its drops, detracts the quality of game play for everyone outside of said guild.

My response are to the statements bolded, respectively.

1. No it is not spot claiming in any way. By a great feat of logic, I suppose you can deduce that, however, such an assumption is vague and can't be said. As this has been repeated multiple times in this thread: RYE DOESN'T OWN HELGA. We never said we did. I think ImABabe and Stormy's posts made that logic quite clear.

2. That's like saying no one can farm GHS, GH, GOC, etc etc. It's exactly the same, those monster drop rare items and so no one should farm those anymore?

[Jen1073]

sigh...fearmentor...its not that they are twisting. Its just not everyone has the same perspective about things as everyone else.

Its funny, i have to say i was kinda irritated that i had to discuss with Rye first before we raid. BUT then my real husband looked over my shoulder at my talk with stormy, he (a vetern gamer) said i should thank my lucky stars that rye was willing to even listen to me, stormy could have told me to go suck and egg and get my guildies up at 3am like some of his do just to raid.

They have the ability to raid, so they do. Right or wrong, its not up to rye to keep relations happy in Bijou. YES of course it would be nice if they realized that their over powered guild has enormous infulence on whether some of us higher lvls are able to do certain things in this game.

but i supose it isn't their rssponsibilty to make sure we have a good time while playing a gme.

[dethsgirl]

Again, in case it isn't perfectly clear. Killing a mob on a map, ANY mob on ANY map, isn't spot claiming. Telling other people to leave IS.

[Ciocolajs]

this turned .. gey? xD
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t275/Ciocolajs/1231685523423.jpg
last pic . Im out. Peace <3

[Enlightened09]

My response are to the statements bolded, respectively.

1. No it is not spot claiming in any way. By a great feat of logic, I suppose you can deduce that, however, such an assumption is vague and can't be said. As this has been repeated multiple times in this thread: RYE DOESN'T OWN HELGA. We never said we did. I think ImABabe and Stormy's posts made that logic quite clear.

2. That's like saying no one can farm GHS, GH, GOC, etc etc. It's exactly the same, those monster drop rare items and so no one should farm those anymore?


Although you never stated you did, it's as though Rye does own Helga. Rye gets to kill him nearly every day because of their ridiculously over powered guild. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I think it's great. I think its a wonderful thing that a group of people can work together towards a common goal. It's just unfair to everyone else, not saying that I am jealous or anything, well, no, of course I am. I would LOVE to have a helgait weapon, who wouldn't? However, I realize that the chances of this are slim to none. This is simply due to the fact that Rye gets to kill Helga every night AS IF they own it. I'm NOT saying they do. I have utmost respect for Rye and it's members, however, it would be nice if they wouldn't kill it every single night. Other people want to kill it too.

It isn't the same as GH or GOC or DGM, etc. Those bosses respawn every 10 minutes and theres multiples ones of those in each dungeon. There are plenty to go around. There is ONE Helga. This ONE Helga respawns every 24 hours. Allow me to reiterate...
ONCE
EVERY
TWENTY-
FOUR
HOURS.
That is what makes Helga different and why I believe this discussion is so heated.

I'm not saying that Rye should stop killing Helga. Everyone knows they are capable and that because they can kill him, they will. Yes, I think everyone knows this. The only point I'm trying to make is that it would be nice if PERHAPS on occasion, they would leave it for someone else.
OR
As state previously in this thread, Outspark initiate some sort of method to only allow guilds to kill Helga a specific number of times a week and Helga be like an Instance dungeon.

[luckywalker07]

I have seen a lot of mention about Rye being over powered, and would like to address that.

Rye consists of 100 member, who are devoted to fiesta, their guild, and their friends. They are dedicated to leveling, grinding, and work incredibly hard on their characters.

Rye guildies have earned their individual successes and they have united in Ryekarayn, where they have bonded.

This combination of successes resulted in Rye being "over powered".

[silksilk]

Let me start of by saying one thing, if you go through this thread none of the aristocrats have said anything but me, and i am simply upset because supposedly Aristocrats were there to "Ruin" the helga raid, hmmm lets see, im not going to respond to that one because its just ridiculous, as far as everyone else complaining, For instance Jen, i am upset at you because it was none of your concern, I am not saying you should take our side, you simply had no right to say anything on the situation since you were not there, you judged the situation from 3rd person he say she say convo.




I am extremely sorry for a long post. if you look at the whole thread and im saying this again so you can clearly see whats being typed from aristocrats, if we have said anything here that is wrong please enlighten me.

[dethsgirl]

Sure, they spawn that often now, however, remember it wasn't that long ago that they spawned every x number of hours. And people camped it, in order to farm it. And, people who needed the bosses to complete quests, well they were for the most part SOL because those campers Would. Not. Leave. This situation is different, yes, but Helga is still a mob. And we don't camp it. If you wanna go for it, go for it, but if you can't kill it, we will. As of yet Helga isn't needed for a quest. As of Helga's coming into the game, if you wanted to be a part of it, you can. But communication needs to be there. Its easier for the guilds who want to take part or to have a guild raid to just let Rye know, isn't it? Is it fair for us to have to ask the entire server if they want to raid before we go in? If we hear nothing, we'll go in. Simple.

[Jen1073]

Let me start of by saying one thing, if you go through this thread none of the aristocrats have said anything but me, and i am simply upset because supposedly Aristocrats were there to "Ruin" the helga raid, hmmm lets see, im not going to respond to that one because its just ridiculous, as far as everyone else complaining, For instance Jen, i am upset at you because it was none of your concern, I am not saying you should take our side, you simply had no right to say anything on the situation since you were not there, you judged the situation from 3rd person he say she say convo.




I am extremely sorry for a long post. if you look at the whole thread and im saying this again so you can clearly see whats being typed from aristocrats, if we have said anything here that is wrong please enlighten me.


you're right it wasn't my business silk what you were doing at the raid, thats why i TRIED to post saying i didn't know what happened nor was i saying what did.

You are right i should have left the details of the raid out of it. The true reason i was posting, was cause i was upset at the behaviour I saw last night from the guild that warred your guild (left the name out so i don't get edited) I watched your members be spawn killed and the guild that was doing it brag about their 'power', and taunt in shout arogantly. That is what i should have kept my post to. If you re read you will see that the majority of my inital posts address that situation.
I apologize for any percieved judgement that i may have made regarding your presense in helga's tomb.

[itriedtoquit]

They have the ability to raid, so they do. Right or wrong, its not up to rye to keep relations happy in Bijou. YES of course it would be nice if they realized that their over powered guild has enormous infulence on whether some of us higher lvls are able to do certain things in this game.

but i supose it isn't their rssponsibilty to make sure we have a good time while playing a gme.

You're right, it's not anyone's "responsibility" to make sure anyone else has a good time in a game. But if Rye really didn't care for anyone else at all... why did Stormy agree to stay out of Helga's Tomb so that you and your guild can raid? By your very own admission, he could've easily not agreed and Rye could've woken up and raided. If it weren't consideration for you and your guild... then what was it? It certainly was not out of malice that he agreed. Don't you agree?


This is simply due to the fact that Rye gets to kill Helga every night AS IF they own it. I'm NOT saying they do. I have utmost respect for Rye and it's members, however, it would be nice if they wouldn't kill it every single night. Other people want to kill it too.

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I'm not saying that Rye should stop killing Helga. Everyone knows they are capable and that because they can kill him, they will. Yes, I think everyone knows this. The only point I'm trying to make is that it would be nice if PERHAPS on occasion, they would leave it for someone else.

I guess you didn't read all the posts. Rye has "done" exactly what you asked. If you read Stormy's post, he's stated that NM has defeated helga twice. Everyone, by now, knows that CK has attempted a raid. There were several other guilds who made attempts but not always successful.

So if all you ask is that "on occasion, we leave it for someone else," well... it's been done.


OR
As state previously in this thread, Outspark initiate some sort of method to only allow guilds to kill Helga a specific number of times a week and Helga be like an Instance dungeon.

I want to discuss a point that hasn't been brought up yet but I think is relevant. I didn't wanna get into it because of my tag and the current situation, I am going to sound snobby. But I think it's relevant now.

Some people are upset because they want a Helgait but see no way of getting one in the foreseebale future. This is understandable, of course. When I, or anyone else, sees something rare or a fantastic piece of equipment, we naturally desire it.

But fact of the matter is, it is not meant to be for everyone. Fiesta has several tiers of grades of equipment (and even variations within the tiers) based on rarity. The equipment "meant for all" is the white equipment. Then we have the greens which are better, and at one point, was rare. There are the blues now, which are more rare than the greens and are better. There are purples that a lucky few own, and now, we have the Orange class. Within the greens and blues, we have stats of different levels that differentiate the usefulness, impact, and price of them.

Helgaits aren't meant to be whites, just like the purples and blues aren't.

[Jen1073]

You're right, it's not anyone's "responsibility" to make sure anyone else has a good time in a game. But if Rye really didn't care for anyone else at all... why did Stormy agree to stay out of Helga's Tomb so that you and your guild can raid? By your very own admission, he could've easily not agreed and Rye could've woken up and raided. If it weren't consideration for you and your guild... then what was it? It certainly was not out of malice that he agreed. Don't you agree?



um yes i do....i wasn't implying that he didn't care.
We are one guild, and i have ties to stormy that practically no one else does in the game. It was enormously kind of him to bother doing a favor for me, to ask 90 people not to raid when its their favorite thing to do.

I was refering to the rest of bijou, and it was more of a general statement that whether rye does care or doesn't care, it isn't their responsibility TO care

[_Blankie_]

This thread was not suppose to be created in the first place. It's quite funny how I see this kind of post so often, and there's always smart people out there that give great advice, "Report To CRS/GM/Outspark." And yet, the topic keep coming up in the forum. Lets try this again, If you have a problem with anything, you should always contact a CRS/GM or Outspark, that's where all your $$$ for SC items goes into. Look at all these people that posts like they know whats going on, lol. If your information is from "he say, she say", than just keep your mouth shut. Jen, its funny how you post about the gm's from two guild hates you because you didn't take their side, oh please woman, stop acting like your so important. Just speak the truth is enough.

[Enlightened09]

So if all you ask is that "on occasion, we leave it for someone else," well... it's been done.

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Helgaits aren't meant to be whites, just like the purples and blues aren't.


1. It hasn't been done in the respect that I mean. Rye kills Helga around 3am, my time. How many people that play fiesta are awake at 3 am or there abouts (time changes may occur due to preparation time and such). Yes, you all call each other and wake each other up and kill Helga in the wee hours of the morning. That's great! But when you guys kill it as soon as it spawns, that's not giving anyone else a chance. People shouldn't have to ask Rye to leave Helga alone so that they can kill it because they know that Rye will kill it as soon as it spawns.

2. If Helgaits aren't meant to be whites, then why is Rye farming Helga so that every memeber has the weapon of their choice. This deteriorates the speciality of the orange weapons. It feels to me, that if a weapon has an orange name, then it MUST be a Rye weapon, with a few exceptions. Now that almost everyone in the guild has the weapon they choose, a certain vendor is selling excess weapons, in the form of maces and bows, for high prices, thus exploiting the market. This makes the orange weapons, in my opinion, not special at all, except for the fact that they have high damage, high critical, and low attack rate.

[Jen1073]

facts are i got called a 'back stabbing b***' over this blankie. But you're right about one thing im not important. Im about as important as you are in all this.

[istorage]

1. It hasn't been done in the respect that I mean. Rye kills Helga around 3am, my time. How many people that play fiesta are awake at 3 am or there abouts (time changes may occur due to preparation time and such). Yes, you all call each other and wake each other up and kill Helga in the wee hours of the morning. That's great! But when you guys kill it as soon as it spawns, that's not giving anyone else a chance. People shouldn't have to ask Rye to leave Helga alone so that they can kill it because they know that Rye will kill it as soon as it spawns.

Then why don't you wake up at 3AM too? Last time I checked I have 8:30AM classes and I need to be out the door by 8:00. Why don't you skip sleep? I've done it plenty of times. If you aren't willing to put in the effort then...?

It's the same IRL isn't it? Who will hire you if you aren't willing to put in the time and effort to make yourself useful.

[WarpstonePsycho]

Blankie where do you get off being so rude?

thus far the argumets layed out have been civil

[Raindrops527]

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but i supose it isn't their rssponsibilty to make sure we have a good time while playing a gme.

Since Rye first successfully raided helga. We have helped. We have shared. And i have inconvenience my members many times and yet still lead them to all the unfair accusation, twisted facts, blatant lies out there (I am not refering to CK here.)

U are right. It isn't our responsiblities, but we have tried it. We just did not announce or go around publicizing it.
We have numerous time extent our hand to various guilds.
But our efforts were subsequently twisted, misjudged, misinformed.

I wonder if they will ever mention here. The helga weapon we gave. The extent we went to accomodate. The effort we try to communicate.

Nope.

To hell to Rye. They are dumb.

[itriedtoquit]

1. It hasn't been done in the respect that I mean. Rye kills Helga around 3am, my time. How many people that play fiesta are awake at 3 am or there abouts (time changes may occur due to preparation time and such). Yes, you all call each other and wake each other up and kill Helga in the wee hours of the morning. That's great! But when you guys kill it as soon as it spawns, that's not giving anyone else a chance. People shouldn't have to ask Rye to leave Helga alone so that they can kill it because they know that Rye will kill it as soon as it spawns.

2. If Helgaits aren't meant to be whites, then why is Rye farming Helga so that every memeber has the weapon of their choice. This deteriorates the speciality of the orange weapons. It feels to me, that if a weapon has an orange name, then it MUST be a Rye weapon, with a few exceptions. Now that almost everyone in the guild has the weapon they choose, a certain vendor is selling excess weapons, in the form of maces and bows, for high prices, thus exploiting the market. This makes the orange weapons, in my opinion, not special at all, except for the fact that they have high damage, high critical, and low attack rate.

1. For the past week, Helga was between 9am - 1pm PST. Those are very, very reasonable hours for the US players, agreed? Furthermore, it might be 3am for you but it's not 3am across the globe. Just like the raid's success does not hinge on whether I'm present or not, it won't hinge on your participation either. Fact: this might be the US iteration of the game, but we have players from all over.

2. Should every player own a godly piece of green? Should every player own an entire godly blue set? Should ever player own a Teva Crossbow? No. Would they like to? Yes. Will they? No. It's the whole reason we have differing drop rates and OS's business of selling Hunter's Warrant works.
And it's not "exploiting" the market. A part of Fiesta's economy functions on the basis that the scarcer objects cost more. A truely Godly blue can sell for over 1gem. Shining Rings of Uruga used to sell for 20g when they were scarce. Now that they are more common and anyone who really wants one has one, prices have fallen by 50%. Helgaits are still rare, even if you accused Rye of having farmed so many that everyone has one and we're selling the excess. It's simple economics that it should be sold for lot of money. Why? Because everyone wants one, but supplies are severely limited.

I remember a certain fighter vending his Purple Xbow for over 60g at one point. That's a pretty penny for one time, if you ask me. Was he, too, exploiting the market?

[luckywalker07]

To hell to Rye. They are dumb.


True that

D:<

[dethsgirl]

Or you know...there's people who are willing to skip sleep, and IRL things to be at the raids, purely because it's a guild effort and time to be with their friends working on something together. It's not all about the weapons. I think people's obsession with the bloody weapons are what's ruining it. =(

[Sharlyne]

True that

D:<

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