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DragonMan949
10-19-2007, 08:36 AM
Which is the strongest class on SOS?
Fighters
Mages
Rogues
Archers
Acolytes
Or Predictors?

Edit: I'm going full mage until last class...

Coldmist
10-19-2007, 03:18 PM
Really depends on what u mean by "strongest" i've heard rogues are good at pvp and fighters good witht he monsters and mages good till they reach the high lvls and nonsence like that.. The truth is all the classes have their strong points when plpayed right

DragonMan949
10-19-2007, 03:24 PM
I see. Lol, this topic is kinda like whos better? Boys or Girls except it is for classes. All have strong and weak points, but its ur opinion on who u think is better if one of each class fought each other, ur vote is saying which class is gonna win that match.

Coldmist
10-19-2007, 03:26 PM
oh, well from what i heard rogues so ya.... rogues even if i picked fighter already

DragonMan949
10-19-2007, 03:34 PM
I see. I say mages because of the AOE at a low lvl and because of their ranged attacks.

Stragy
10-19-2007, 03:41 PM
U know there is a Sos side of forums -.-

Coldmist
10-19-2007, 03:42 PM
This is the Sos side.... is it not?..

ryanco64
10-19-2007, 04:08 PM
I liek magicians. Haha!

Hiraku
10-19-2007, 07:40 PM
You do realize that mages don't have a single AOE attack skill until level 56? Unless that's a low level in your opinion...

PhyronX
10-19-2007, 07:42 PM
Heh, DragonMan949 you like to make polls, don't you?:D

Anyway, I picked Predictor.

I will not offer a long explanation, because I'll then make a huge post...or not, since I don't even know what Predictor skills there are.

I just like Predictors. And they are kind of a tier 2 class.

sukaru1
10-19-2007, 10:41 PM
all classes are even in this game pvp wise tho rouges own at lower lvls in pvp so it may seem like there the best but at level 96 after you change to 3rd job and get your new skills youll notice that they all are good at pvp

ultimaximum
10-20-2007, 07:36 AM
I have to say Rouges are the best in class. For one thing, they have a high dodge rate. They concentrate on agi which would increase both their dodge rate and their attack rate(i think). They also can sleep and stun enemies which would be great for pvp. They have high attack speed so that when they can drain the opponents HP faster than the opponent can drain their HP. They can hide from enemies using invisible. Using invisible would be an advantage for a rouge in a sneak attack. Even though they have low defense, the probability of an enemy on hitting a rouge is low. Also, when rouges are hit by magic from mages and acolytes, rouges can catch up to them and that would leave mages and acos running.

Rinyiko
10-20-2007, 07:47 AM
I think it all comes down to which class you play the best. I also think that the classes here made in a balance. So no one class is "stronger" then the other. It all comes down to the player's skills.

Saiya-Sama
10-20-2007, 08:44 AM
>.<
I'm so confused...
I'm sooo new..
I don't even know what your talking about...>.<
:( :confused:
Someone..help me...>.<

hackrukia
10-20-2007, 11:31 AM
What's a good Job class to pick around lv 25-30?

Coldmist
10-20-2007, 01:45 PM
I think it all comes down to which class you play the best. I also think that the classes here made in a balance. So no one class is "stronger" then the other. It all comes down to the player's skills.

Ya i said the same thing its all how u play the game

jmoua9
10-20-2007, 01:47 PM
Im a rogue and i wouldn't say rogue's are the best.
Sure we have tons of agi which means great dodging, but when getting hit, boy do we take a lot of dmg.

IMO fighters has it best (as of now anyway), they can take (due to superior defence), and deal a ton of dmg.

But then again, everyone has their own playstyle and own opinions ;P

HeavenBlade
10-20-2007, 01:50 PM
I was wondering wat stats do rogues need???

DragonMan949
10-20-2007, 06:32 PM
I was wondering wat stats do rogues need???

I think AGI or POW, im not exactly sure. I suggest all hand to hand combat classes to boost POW all magic ranged classes to boost INT or Magic

choosinghealth
10-20-2007, 07:26 PM
I guess it depends on play now doesn't it.
Those who like to tank and take their time to attack and survive...yes survive to attack again are good.

Those who can strike first and avoid getting a beating are good as well.

Well rounded characters are great and will build at a steady pace.

Then we have magic class. I love to be a healer. It makes me happy to heal and kick buttons...or is that click buttons at the same time.

Acidic
10-20-2007, 09:22 PM
Basically:

Mages are best leveler's 1-30.
Fighters are Best 30-45
Rogues are about even the whole way.
Archers are best 45-66.
Knights are best 66+.
Acolytes are bet 125+.

Goes for PvP and PvE.

Ettibby
10-21-2007, 06:19 AM
You meen rogues are realy only good till around 30's... i have a lvl 26 and it sucks

Wacko
10-21-2007, 09:45 AM
fighter is the strongest class in STR but, but the most strongest is actually i gess predictor, but i wanna be a rogue thoguh

Acidic
10-21-2007, 09:30 PM
You meen rogues are realy only good till around 30's... i have a lvl 26 and it sucks

Then you dont play it right. They are pretty strong.

Hiraku
10-22-2007, 06:00 PM
I think mages are good PvP and mobs. xD....and I don't think they have an easier time training. I think mages are supposed to have more mp than they are given.....(I mean, a warrior has more hp than mp, why doesn't the mage have more mp than hp?)

StriderHiryu
10-24-2007, 01:55 AM
All the classes have their pros and cons, yes as stated from the other people, it all depends on the persons skill, also for equips.

jeremiade
10-24-2007, 07:41 AM
lol someone PM me the final result to this forum if they feel like doin me a favor :P i would help but i cant play yet so im not the one to ask(but right now i WOULD pick a mage)


((and nice sig Hiraku))

dragon_xrs
10-24-2007, 01:11 PM
what do you mean with strong?
strong attack?
or the ones that kill faster and easier?

Derick816
10-26-2007, 05:48 AM
I've party with all sorts of Classes and I think Fighters are the more dominant class. There are quite a few of them in numbers and they really can hit high numbers. :p Acolytes, I think are quite low in numbers, we sit in the sidelines and aid those who fight, though I have to say being an Acolyte is an entertaining job itself. (If that made any sence..) Acolyte <333 :rolleyes:

hizoka09
10-26-2007, 06:26 AM
this is all based on my opinion and based in events that i see held in plaza (pvp events)
hmmm magician have magic shield(total dmg-20 less to mp) and magic ice( slow movement) to support his magic attack (magic fire / magic thunder) but dont do well against rouges coz of hiding
hmmm rouge have invisible(hide or cloak like ragnarok rouge), blind sight (stun and poison target), doping(evasion rate up) and a skill to make a target sleep but dont do well against archer coz of a skill that lets them see invisible units
hmmm fighter have shield crash( stun attack), thrusting(major dmg dealing skill), (sharp weapon(self buff attack),overburning(+140 hp)but dont do well against magician coz of magic ice and archer coz of gnome binding
hmmm archers have falcon eye(+crit dmg) combo with wind blow and something with strangling atk like magician's magic ice(i think its gnome binding >.<) but dont do well against magician coz of its magic clear
hmm predictors and acos have self buffs and illusion quake(slow & stun sometime <effect skil>l) / energy blast(something <main atk pred>) to make them hard to be defeated and together with their self heal that makes them much more defensive players
all in all its balanced and all based on the skill of the player + the items he/she holds ^^
comments if you want after all im still newbie and finding the best char in the game ^^ hope this helps

Jeremy23000
10-26-2007, 06:28 AM
I haven't played SoS before but most MMO's follow the same trend, which is usually:

Fighters: Tanks - are best at taking damage and keeping mobs away from most of the party
Rogues: Secondary Fighter - Not the best for taking damage or tanking but a good supporting fighter to deal some damage (With a high enough dodge rate though I'd assume they could tank as well)
Mage: Main damage dealer - AoE's and high damage make it very useful (As long as it doesn't get hit)
Archer: Secondary damage dealer - Not as high of a damage output as a mage but works well in itself
Acolyte: Healer/Support - Necessary in any party, keeps everyone else alive and makes them more efficient at their jobs (through buffs and allowing the other players to worry less about their own health)

Usually the trend anyways. I'm assuming SoS follow the same. So really there isn't a 'Dominant' class but rather everyone plays their own role. A party with one of each is better than one of all the same :P

Hiraku
10-26-2007, 06:15 PM
Mages and Acolytes would always lose unless they can kill REAL fast because we all know that they can't carry 1/10 the pots a warrior can carry..or something that prevents use of pots..

DragonMan949
10-26-2007, 09:00 PM
Mages and Acolytes would always lose unless they can kill REAL fast because we all know that they can't carry 1/10 the pots a warrior can carry..or something that prevents use of pots..

Mages and acolyes have low POW (but they add POW to their stats to equip weps) but equipping a backpack can help alot, I`m lvl 32 and i have a regular 300-400 mp pots and 100 hp pots, and i run fast XD
So does that mean a warrior can carry 3000 potions??? I think not...
And they can kill things fast, they hit hard, and having AOE at around lvl 50 (not exactly sure) they own

Gauro
10-28-2007, 11:22 AM
Archers will be like a mage but shoot faster, multi arrows and stuff and will have easy to level so yes
archer will win
but predictator will too be strong so
archer and predictor FTW!!!

gravitycross
10-28-2007, 03:42 PM
maybe.... but but archers are little girls atking from long range

fogged8252
10-28-2007, 04:14 PM
lol there is not dominant class, only dominant players :) ...

elephunk
10-28-2007, 08:55 PM
every class in this game is pretty much strong, choose the one u think u can play the best and u'll feel the power :)

Gauro
10-29-2007, 12:04 AM
maybe.... but but archers are little girls atking from long range

YEAH but girls are pretty fast so SoS made faster arrows attacks multipier skills and all that :D

DragonMan949
10-29-2007, 12:09 AM
but which class does the highest damage?

Jeremy23000
10-29-2007, 04:56 AM
I'd assume Mages or Archers would have the highest damage output... Typically the less defense you have the higher damage you have. So since mages and Archers have much lower defense their damage is probably much higher to balance them out.

NymphTada
10-30-2007, 01:16 AM
i love archers, but i`m not one...go~ BAMF ;3

Aeacus_admissio
10-30-2007, 01:28 PM
im new on sos (it sos O_o i guess its an easy habit to pick up) im going for mage coz in EVRY onlne rpg i have palyed i always ged pojoned by mages but thats due to there abity to hone on opn wekness and use spells to explot that so im going for mages ... for thsoe resons ... evan though i havent even downloed the clint yst hey did any of you used ot go on fighuter . com? ha i got banned from the entre sight for calling the ower a ******** it was still lol though hey how elce has been banned from sites as a side not from the main disscusson... if you wnt ot of corse..

JolteD
10-30-2007, 01:57 PM
zounds this guy cant write....
i agree that all classes r different but i like playin a tank, i also incorperate agi into it too so, yeah

violence
10-31-2007, 06:59 PM
im just wondering why there is a sos post in the fiesta forums

Steparu
11-01-2007, 06:35 AM
archers are the strongest atm in CB~!

Trashknight
11-01-2007, 10:08 AM
You need high restorative items, decent armor among a few things to beat a decent archer unless they get grouped. (Dang, those archers are annoying.)^-^'

--------------
Monda- Predictor lv 51
Tosda- Magician lv 21
Leuda- Fighter lv 21

TheCaptain
11-04-2007, 10:24 AM
acctualy rouges suck balls 16-31 i felt soooo underpowered compaired to warriors at that lvl but once u get new equips at 32 it makes up for it and IMO rouges are better than fighters at that lvl but i guess we'll see for the rest of the lvls

woodensoul
11-04-2007, 10:55 PM
this game is very similar to Ragnarok Online.

Rodaa
11-05-2007, 12:16 AM
they use the same engine and graphic style, other than that there pretty diffrent


FIGHTERS FTW!

astilegnave
11-05-2007, 02:55 AM
Mages just own, they outdamage "almost" everyone... But it is just at lower levels, in higher levels they'll suck for sure...

astilegnave
11-05-2007, 10:07 PM
I picked mages, cause they just own... ^^


im new on sos (it sos O_o i guess its an easy habit to pick up) im going for mage coz in EVRY onlne rpg i have palyed i always ged pojoned by mages but thats due to there abity to hone on opn wekness and use spells to explot that so im going for mages ... for thsoe resons ... evan though i havent even downloed the clint yst hey did any of you used ot go on fighuter . com? ha i got banned from the entre sight for calling the ower a ******** it was still lol though hey how elce has been banned from sites as a side not from the main disscusson... if you wnt ot of corse..

Can't... read... ancient... language...

Reikeim
11-06-2007, 12:22 PM
Does any classes require having or comsuming items?
P.S.(havent played yet still downloading)

shiftfallout
11-06-2007, 01:05 PM
Heh, DragonMan949 you like to make polls, don't you?:D

Anyway, I picked Predictor.

I will not offer a long explanation, because I'll then make a huge post...or not, since I don't even know what Predictor skills there are.

I just like Predictors. And they are kind of a tier 2 class.

Heres the down side though, to become a predictor you need to level up as a Acolyte, which is not easy. Then as a Cleric, then all the way up to Predictor.
Now the hard part is, because its a bit of a hybrid class, you need to focus on more stats than your average specialist class. So in a sense, where other classes might be able to focus on pumping one or two stats, a predictor will need to pump 3-4, making them somewhat watered down.
They can make up for this with buffs, but as of yet I do not know how strong those buffs are.

Strength wise however, i do not think it is the strongest class, but it might be one of the most survivable.

Rodaa
11-06-2007, 01:14 PM
its acolye - > predictor
not acolyte -> Cleric -> Predictor

Trashknight
11-06-2007, 01:21 PM
Does any classes require having or comsuming items?
P.S.(havent played yet still downloading)

Fighters and Rogues have consumable items for some of their skills from my knowledge.


Class branch:

Acolyte>Clerigy>Bishop/Priest>Unknown

Acolyte>Predictor>Cleric>Sellord/Paladin.

Rodaa
11-06-2007, 01:23 PM
for the clergy route i dont think theres anything after bishop

shiftfallout
11-06-2007, 01:26 PM
its acolye - > predictor
not acolyte -> Cleric -> Predictor

my bad i got them put down in the wrong order.

Trashknight
11-06-2007, 01:27 PM
for the clergy route i dont think theres anything after bishop

The Clerigy-branch has one more upgrade then the Predictor, just like Felon have over Archer. ^_^'

Rodaa
11-06-2007, 01:29 PM
ah, hmm ill have to check the job tree when i go on tomorrow

Trashknight
11-06-2007, 01:36 PM
Why do I always put an "i" in "Clergy"...? >_<

Slots in the Predictor Branch:

- 3 (Earlier upgrade)

Slots in the Clergy Branch:

- 4 (Later upgrade)

Lysdexian
11-09-2007, 10:26 PM
My vote for best character is none of them.

Decision
11-09-2007, 10:31 PM
I think maybe fighter or rogue. I'm just taking a guess though. I may be wrong.

Somerled
11-09-2007, 10:33 PM
Acolyte. I mean, come on, folks, they can heal themselves, buff themselves beyond belief, and use some combat magics!!

Decision
11-09-2007, 10:39 PM
It could be a problem when acolytes run out of mana/sp to cast spells haha.

Somerled
11-09-2007, 10:46 PM
Then the Aco backs off quickly, downs a few potions, and keeps taking names. Just like a fighter does with health potions. It's easy.

Best3of5
11-10-2007, 10:22 PM
Really depends on what u mean by "strongest" i've heard rogues are good at pvp and fighters good witht he monsters and mages good till they reach the high lvls and nonsence like that.. The truth is all the classes have their strong points when plpayed right


This guy hit the spot, he couldnt be more right about this topic, agreed.:D

AleiiSaphire
11-11-2007, 02:38 PM
ACOLYTES.

and

MAGICIANS.

I love to heal and use spells. :]

rustymiller
11-14-2007, 04:09 AM
Its all about the skill, and knowlege. There is no "strongest" class in games that allow you to build your character stats. Its all about your skills, and knowlege, what you know about the game, and how you put your knowlege to work. Thats what its about. Games like this are not, THAT much different than Text Based games, the only real difference is, its graphical, and you get a better experience with graphics than you do with Text. I hated playing Text based games back in the day.... it was too easy, and got boring fast. Now its much more appealing. Remember the key to the best class is "Skill" and "Knowlege". Enjoy the game.

PKJai
11-16-2007, 09:09 AM
The Clerigy-branch has one more upgrade then the Predictor, just like Felon have over Archer. ^_^'


No they dont have one more upgrade than the predictor.

Acolyte -> Clergy ->Priest -> Bishop
Acolyte -> Predictor -> Cleric -> Sellord

Nightphire
11-17-2007, 12:32 AM
Its all about the skill, and knowlege. There is no "strongest" class in games that allow you to build your character stats. Its all about your skills, and knowlege, what you know about the game, and how you put your knowlege to work. Thats what its about. Games like this are not, THAT much different than Text Based games, the only real difference is, its graphical, and you get a better experience with graphics than you do with Text. I hated playing Text based games back in the day.... it was too easy, and got boring fast. Now its much more appealing. Remember the key to the best class is "Skill" and "Knowlege". Enjoy the game.

After reading this i say ..... Mage =)

but.. he does have a point

ZAPDOS21
11-17-2007, 12:33 AM
I Think Magician Is The Best Job.. But All Jobs Are Great

Rodaa
11-17-2007, 03:40 AM
not all words start with a capital letter ya know?

Nightphire
11-17-2007, 05:52 AM
Maybe he typed it in all caps and then it got changed when he posted to just show up as 1 captial letter per word?

Rodaa
11-17-2007, 06:28 AM
yes but why did he type them all in capitals? thats just as bad

avokatti
11-17-2007, 05:38 PM
this is all based on my opinion and based in events that i see held in plaza (pvp events)
hmmm magician have magic shield(total dmg-20 less to mp) and magic ice( slow movement) to support his magic attack (magic fire / magic thunder) but dont do well against rouges coz of hiding
hmmm rouge have invisible(hide or cloak like ragnarok rouge), blind sight (stun and poison target), doping(evasion rate up) and a skill to make a target sleep but dont do well against archer coz of a skill that lets them see invisible units
hmmm fighter have shield crash( stun attack), thrusting(major dmg dealing skill), (sharp weapon(self buff attack),overburning(+140 hp)but dont do well against magician coz of magic ice and archer coz of gnome binding
hmmm archers have falcon eye(+crit dmg) combo with wind blow and something with strangling atk like magician's magic ice(i think its gnome binding >.<) but dont do well against magician coz of its magic clear
hmm predictors and acos have self buffs and illusion quake(slow & stun sometime <effect skil>l) / energy blast(something <main atk pred>) to make them hard to be defeated and together with their self heal that makes them much more defensive players
all in all its balanced and all based on the skill of the player + the items he/she holds ^^
comments if you want after all im still newbie and finding the best char in the game ^^ hope this helps

Now this is a good reply. It actually TELLS us something! Rather than all that rhetoric "oh, all classes are equal, it all depends on the player"... I hate rhetoric, hence, I hate politicians.

Well, if things were to work out well, the classes would be balanced. I remember in Ye Old days of Diablo II, the moderators kept nerfing and buffing every class in an attempt to achieve greater balance (the world wide 50% physical resist really cut down the strength of Barbarians). I hope the Outspark Team would do something similar to achieve better balance - the idea that some classes start off better than others, other classes work better in different level ranges sounds like one heck of a balance issue. Bump up the beginning stats of those weak in the beginning, reduce the growth rate of those that are too strong in the end... something like that.

But to add my opinion, I'd say rogues. Mainly because I'm a rogue based player. Run in, kill kill kill, panic and then run out. Voila: they're dead, you're nearly dead and good lord you're dumb enough to run into another mob. Playing like this has real excitement value :) ... Which isn't answering the question, I realise. I find running in and nearly dying more fun to play, not actually a stronger (or smarter) tactic.

ryuchi
11-22-2007, 06:18 PM
I'll sum up all of my opinion into one sentence...

All classes are great!. X3

If you want my to elaborate on this please ask an I gladly explain myself lol

SPDgonzales
11-26-2007, 01:49 AM
:)-strength does not come with the class but strength comes with the player-:)

Kusanagi_K
11-26-2007, 05:34 AM
SPD that's not necessarily true, there are certain other factors that you should factor in like equipment.

Rodaa
11-26-2007, 09:09 AM
sooo

Strength comes from money!

Kusanagi_K
11-26-2007, 09:11 AM
that is one way to put it aswell because with out money you can't buy anything, ne?

Rodaa
11-26-2007, 09:13 AM
i can see all the goodness in the world running out the window...

ryuchi
11-26-2007, 09:24 AM
sooo

Strength comes from money!

Like they say......money is power lol

BellaAnimorum
11-29-2007, 04:26 PM
Actually true power is in connections and fear.

thrakx
11-29-2007, 05:08 PM
can i interject a moment? i just wanted to say that my vote for Dominant class goes for Rogue, followed by aco.

Claiomh.Solais
11-29-2007, 06:08 PM
Actually true power is in connections and fear.

Connections are mostly established by money (or s*x or other mediums that can basically be gotten trough money) and fear is also easily inflicted by having a nice bunch of dark suited bodyguards/personal army with nice weaponry (once again, sustained by cash.)

Still it’s not money alone what does things, but actually having the mind and the skills to both get money and to invest/use it in the most practical/profiting ways.

BellaAnimorum
11-29-2007, 06:11 PM
Yeah, you can't be a dumbs**t with money, you gots to have 1337ness too.

Kybrother
11-29-2007, 06:51 PM
Everybody that says all classes are equal....is that really true? I have never played a game in my life where all classes were equal in PvP and PvE. There will always be a better class. Unless the producers of SoS are perfect, there will never be balance.

BellaAnimorum
11-29-2007, 07:04 PM
Hmm so it seems that archers and higher level healers are the strongest...
I guess we won't know until OBT and some mass-murder events.

Claiomh.Solais
11-29-2007, 07:11 PM
Everybody that says all classes are equal....is that really true? I have never played a game in my life where all classes were equal in PvP and PvE. There will always be a better class. Unless the producers of SoS are perfect, there will never be balance.

From that point of view, for most if not all MMORPGs it all comes down to who has the best equip and the highest level. (Of course, some classes are indeed not aimed at killing things, so don't count them)

izabellizima
11-29-2007, 07:21 PM
"Strongest"....vague. Strong as in "survives it all" or strong as in "powerful opponent"?
Comes down to the man/woman behind the keyboard I would guess.
Would be nice if they all equaled eachother at their stronegst...rock paper scissors style. Is this possible?

BellaAnimorum
11-29-2007, 07:23 PM
Possible, but totally improbable.

Kybrother
11-29-2007, 07:45 PM
From that point of view, for most if not all MMORPGs it all comes down to who has the best equip and the highest level. (Of course, some classes are indeed not aimed at killing things, so don't count them)

So lets say they are the same level and all their equips are average. (and they are not the same class of course >_>) One class WILL have the upper advantage in some form or fashion. And of course, there will be times where one class is dominant in certain levels then later on, losses its luster. So no, all class are equally strong is false, not even 2 classes are equally strong at any given time.

Claiomh.Solais
11-30-2007, 06:10 AM
So lets say they are the same level and all their equips are average. (and they are not the same class of course >_>) One class WILL have the upper advantage in some form or fashion. And of course, there will be times where one class is dominant in certain levels then later on, losses its luster. So no, all class are equally strong is false, not even 2 classes are equally strong at any given time.

Yes, but once you're there it all comes down to so much variables that saying that certain X class HAS the absolute advantage against certain other is also false.

Even more, a certain class at a certain lvl could have the complete advantage over another till the person who’s being wiped finds out a certain way to use a skill.

So in the end, if you want a class to wipe the floor in pvp, go play RO to a private server and raise a sinX with soul breaker and str/int hybrid build with decent enough vit and 35 dex, or raise an azura champ and spam blue pots/befriend a proffe. That’s it.

BellaAnimorum
11-30-2007, 11:43 AM
^ In other words, play until you find out ya'll!

Kybrother
11-30-2007, 02:26 PM
Yes, but once you're there it all comes down to so much variables that saying that certain X class HAS the absolute advantage against certain other is also false.

Even more, a certain class at a certain lvl could have the complete advantage over another till the person who’s being wiped finds out a certain way to use a skill.

So in the end, if you want a class to wipe the floor in pvp, go play RO to a private server and raise a sinX with soul breaker and str/int hybrid build with decent enough vit and 35 dex, or raise an azura champ and spam blue pots/befriend a proffe. That’s it.

Wait, so you agree that no classes are equal, but your saying that there is no class with an advantage? I know you said absolute advantage but an advantage is an advantage, understand that now. One class will always be at top, whether its for one level or 30 levels.

All I'm saying is classes can't be equal. Theres just no way to do it.

talonmas
11-30-2007, 06:57 PM
This is how I look upon it:

What class will be the most needed class? (end game against bosses usually, or in pvp wars)

You need 4 things.

healer
tank
damage dealer
buffer/debuffer

If you cant specialize in one of those, you wont be needed. You will do great in solo PvE when learning many things, but it's only when specialized that you will be needed.

What class do respective thing? Beats me, havent played the game yet :p

Claiomh.Solais
11-30-2007, 07:41 PM
Wait, so you agree that no classes are equal, but your saying that there is no class with an advantage? I know you said absolute advantage but an advantage is an advantage, understand that now. One class will always be at top, whether its for one level or 30 levels.

All I'm saying is classes can't be equal. Theres just no way to do it.

Sorry to spoil this to you, but there’s no such thing like black and white, only a damn lot of variations of the color gray.

What I mean is basically how pointless it is. Sure, classes aren't equal, but that not necessarily means you can go ahead and without a doubt say: “ok, X class always kills X class”. Also remember that you have the possibility of creating different builds, so maybe even one point in a single different stat could make the difference of who beats who.

Of course, you can go ahead and have fun testing which class beats another, on what lvls, with what stats distribution and with what equips. I won't stop you.

Kybrother
11-30-2007, 07:54 PM
Sorry to spoil this to you, but there’s no such thing like black and white, only a damn lot of variations of the color gray.

What I mean is basically how pointless it is. Sure, classes aren't equal, but that not necessarily means you can go ahead and without doubt say: “ok, X class always kill X class”.

Of course, you can go ahead and have fun testing which class beats another, on what lvls and with what equips. I won't stop you.

Well it kinda seems like your agreeing with me but your not agreeing with me at the same time. You said classes arnt equal and I understand that you can't say a class is better than another without a doubt but doing that is called assumptions. Discussing these assumptions and testing them, you will finally be able to tell which one is better. When you say classes aren't equal, you know that means that your basically implying that a class is better than another one.

Almost all of the time, a class will be the best at a certain catogorey. (Example) Warriors are good in PvE but aren't that good in PvP while Rouges are good in PvP but are only decent in PvE. (Remember, thats only an example. That is not game related)

Claiomh.Solais
11-30-2007, 08:24 PM
Well it kinda seems like your agreeing with me but your not agreeing with me at the same time. You said classes arnt equal and I understand that you can't say a class is better than another without a doubt but doing that is called assumptions. Discussing these assumptions and testing them, you will finally be able to tell which one is better. When you say classes aren't equal, you know that means that your basically implying that a class is better than another one.

Almost all of the time, a class will be the best at a certain catogorey. (Example) Warriors are good in PvE but aren't that good in PvP while Rouges are good in PvP but are only decent in PvE. (Remember, thats only an example. That is not game related)

If it was just so simple -.-u... have you actually read anything of what I posted?

Kybrother
11-30-2007, 10:09 PM
If it was just so simple -.-u... have you actually read anything of what I posted?

Did I miss a point or something? I read everything but it seems like you saying im missing something.

Claiomh.Solais
12-01-2007, 08:55 AM
Did I miss a point or something? I read everything but it seems like you saying im missing something.

Ok I'll go slow.


Your problem with understanding me is called a fallacy. Just because classes aren’t equal it doesn’t mean the contrary to be necessarily true, that is, that one class must absolutely be better than the others. Yup, I said that I do agree that classes aren't necessarily equal, so of course, a warrior will always be better at killing things than an acolyte, after all, their purpose is to kill things and tank, whereas the acolyte is there to heal and buff and if there’s chance, maybe help as a secondary caster. So Warriors are better than acolytes? False. A team consisting of an acolyte and a warrior will be stronger than two warriors together.

You can indeed generalize with simple things like that, obviously a warrior will be better at killing things than an acolyte or better at tanking than a magician, but overall that’s an already obvious fact that stems from the function each class serves inside the game. But if I asked you who is better at killing things, a rogue that hits 10 times on 5 seconds for 50 damage each hit or a warrior that hits twice every 5 seconds for 250 damage each hit? And so fort.

And, since there’re so many factors that could change which class performs better on which area (killing mob, killing players, supporting/healing, tanking, etc.), like their level, stats distribution, equipment, acquired skills, pet, skill of the user, etc, it’s would be an almost impossible task to completely categorize which class is better than the other. Get my point now?. It’s not that it can’t be done, but still is overall impractical and very prone to change with new updates.

Kybrother
12-01-2007, 10:28 AM
Ok I'll go slow.


Your problem with understanding me is called a fallacy. Just because classes aren’t equal it doesn’t mean the contrary to be necessarily true, that is, that one class must absolutely be better than the others. Yup, I said that I do agree that classes aren't necessarily equal, so of course, a warrior will always be better at killing things than an acolyte, after all, their purpose is to kill things and tank, whereas the acolyte is there to heal and buff and if there’s chance, maybe help as a secondary caster. So Warriors are better than acolytes? False. A team consisting of an acolyte and a warrior will be stronger than two warriors together.

You can indeed generalize with simple things like that, obviously a warrior will be better at killing things than an acolyte or better at tanking than a magician, but overall that’s an already obvious fact that stems from the function each class serves inside the game. But if I asked you who is better at killing things, a rogue that hits 10 times on 5 seconds for 50 damage each hit or a warrior that hits twice every 5 seconds for 250 damage each hit? And so fort.

And, since there’re so many factors that could change which class performs better on which area (killing mob, killing players, supporting/healing, tanking, etc.), like their level, stats distribution, equipment, acquired skills, pet, skill of the user, etc, it’s would be an almost impossible task to completely categorize which class is better than the other. Get my point now?. It’s not that it can’t be done, but still is overall impractical and very prone to change with new updates.

Copy and paste from my last post.

Almost all of the time, a class will be the best at a certain catogorey. (Example) Warriors are good in PvE but aren't that good in PvP while Rouges are good in PvP but are only decent in PvE. (Remember, thats only an example. That is not game related)

I know I didn't make it clear from the start but like I said above, a class will be better at certain things. So the next time someone ask which is the best class, people can be like,
*examples*
Warriors are the best PvE
Acolytes are the best in Party quest
Mages are the best PvP
Rouges are the best when funded
Archers are the cheapest class to handle
*again, examples*
You know, stuff like that. Sorry I didn't make that clear. Hopefully, we are on the same train track now. =)

Also, to your last sentence, it should be caculated with everything the same such as equips and all that good stuff. Skill of the user is impossible to test but to get around that is to keep fighting over and over and fight other people to get an idea.

Claiomh.Solais
12-01-2007, 10:45 AM
I know I didn't make it clear from the start but like I said above, a class will be better at certain things. So the next time someone ask which is the best class, people can be like,
*examples*
Warriors are the best PvE
Acolytes are the best in Party quest
Mages are the best PvP
Rouges are the best when funded
Archers are the cheapest class to handle
*again, examples*
You know, stuff like that. Sorry I didn't make that clear. Hopefully, we are on the same train track now. =)

Also, to your last sentence, it should be caculated with everything the same such as equips and all that good stuff. Skill of the user is impossible to test but to get around that is to keep fighting over and over and fight other people to get an idea.

There have already been posts like what you're saying on this tread, so I thought you weren’t considering them. And btw, on those posts people have said that things tend to change a lot with levels. For example, magicians were the best at killing monsters at the early lvls, but then they started falling behind and things like that. Also, apparently the archers had the upper hand at pvp, but considering all the new things that will be implemented with OB, that may not be so.

And well, that's all.

DragonMan949
12-07-2007, 06:55 PM
I think this topic needs to be revived to replace other newer ones, and to prevent from more coming