PvP Better? Or Worse?

[deoxys114]

After logging on today. I was so happy that I was finally Elementalist. I had only one thing in mind. PvP. I couldn't wait to see the new skills and see how awesome PvP was now. But now, PvP sucks in my opinion. All it is is spam. There is no skill now. Here is what I see. These are labeled under the base class.

Priest
Group Heal: This is so annoying. So many times did I perfectly combo someone to death, until right at the last second, they are healed.

Archer
Poison Arrow: Now I have to look out for that too? I can't tell if it's an Ice, Fire, Wind, and whatever arrow now because of the spam.

Rogue
Bomb: Omg this is so annoying. I am trying to get out of a spam fest with my precious little HP left to BAM run right into a bomb and die. Can't even see them. I hate it.

Monk
Kick Combo: Both of these are so horrible. Once executed, you can't stop em. That's crap. Now they seem to do more damage than Mages. It's horrible.

Yes I is mad. If PvP was going to turn into a no skill spam fest, then frankly I wish they didn't release 2nd Class. It's just no fun anymore. And PvP was what I signed on for.

Discuss.

[seph82]

Hi Deox, it's me InfernalArrow and yes i agree with you.
Now the PvP suck, the people spam and no one use a tactic or skill in the correct mode like before.
I dont interest if i lose or die, but this is ridiculous, be owned by spam it's annoying and yes like u said some skill and job now rulez to much after this patch.

1)Bishop:Have AoE skills for heal all the party, it was hard kill one before think now..
2)Trapper: stun-poison-marionette-trap-invisible trap= g'bye
3)Assassin: Spam always Sonic and hit all in a flash
4)Shaolin: Infinity combo and fire kick = owned
5)Sniper: fire-ice-poison-double atk and w8 when they learn arrow rain
6)Mage: teleport, earthquake
7)Bersek: Spam always that skill for block ur atk for a while, than ice-fire sword

I think was too fast put this second class, after all we havent new and difficul area for exp or visit.
But now we cant do anything, and now we can call PvP to SvS (spam vs Spam) amen.

[trigonicus]

hahaha welcome to my world
every class is now spam class
except for summoners... who have to use the same old moves
:P
fairy powaaaa!!!!

just have to get use to the new fighting style
too many skills to keep track off
x.x

[Exmilio]

The funny part about this is that even before the 2ed classes came out people were still complaining about spam!

Yes the new skills may seem great to some and ponitless to others but this is what we all expected!

Ya it will take some time for players to get use to the skills in a way that makes them times there skills and not just "spam".

I for one think its great! Remember no one gets ponits for just sitting there! You still need to attack and yes take a few hits and there. Theres always gona be someone who "spams". And i mean really "spam" not just waht everyone call someone because there a sore loser. Report them and let outspark take over.

Yours Truly,
Exmilio

[Prolific1]

Hi Deox, it's me InfernalArrow and yes i agree with you.
Now the PvP suck, the people spam and no one use a tactic or skill in the correct mode like before.
I dont interest if i lose or die, but this is ridiculous, be owned by spam it's annoying and yes like u said some skill and job now rulez to much after this patch.

1)Bishop:Have AoE skills for heal all the party, it was hard kill one before think now..
2)Trapper: stun-poison-marionette-trap-invisible trap= g'bye
3)Assassin: Spam always Sonic and hit all in a flash
4)Shaolin: Infinity combo and fire kick = owned
5)Sniper: fire-ice-poison-double atk and w8 when they learn arrow rain
6)Mage: teleport, earthquake
7)Bersek: Spam always that skill for block ur atk for a while, than ice-fire sword

I think was too fast put this second class, after all we havent new and difficul area for exp or visit.
But now we cant do anything, and now we can call PvP to SvS (spam vs Spam) amen.

Sweet Beastmaster are off your list
Well i should kno since we never spam =)

[ral13]

I've only pvped once since 2nd class came out, but ppl dying more often seems like a plus to me. More deaths=More Kills=More WSP=Fast Paced PvP
This high dmg puts more focus on pvp skill/healers.

Edit: And if ppl are spamming now, it is probobly because they're just not used to their new 2nd class skills. Eventually everyone learns that random spam is useless, but skillful spam is pwnage.(Every attack seems to be called spam for some reason.)

[lordalden]

After logging on today. I was so happy that I was finally Elementalist. I had only one thing in mind. PvP. I couldn't wait to see the new skills and see how awesome PvP was now. But now, PvP sucks in my opinion. All it is is spam. There is no skill now. Here is what I see. These are labeled under the base class.

Priest
Group Heal: This is so annoying. So many times did I perfectly combo someone to death, until right at the last second, they are healed.

Archer
Poison Arrow: Now I have to look out for that too? I can't tell if it's an Ice, Fire, Wind, and whatever arrow now because of the spam.

Rogue
Bomb: Omg this is so annoying. I am trying to get out of a spam fest with my precious little HP left to BAM run right into a bomb and die. Can't even see them. I hate it.

Monk
Kick Combo: Both of these are so horrible. Once executed, you can't stop em. That's crap. Now they seem to do more damage than Mages. It's horrible.

Yes I is mad. If PvP was going to turn into a no skill spam fest, then frankly I wish they didn't release 2nd Class. It's just no fun anymore. And PvP was what I signed on for.

Discuss.

Everything I'm replying to comes as a player having PvPed nearly the past 6 hours straight.

Priest: Not significantly a bigger threat minus the map-wide healing, but even that's not as great an issue given the significant cooldown on it, so I personally can't say I've seen how things changed.

Archer: I agree, it is hard to differentiate from, but Archers can still be controlled within a box area, so it's only a minor nuisance. The bear for beast masters makes them seem to take incredibly more hits, which to me, seems very annoying.

Rogue: Personally, I think they're pretty evened out. See below. =P

Monk: The only thing about the Shaolin 3-hit combo that aggrivates me is that they seem to be able to get an extra little bit of distance on their dash with it, which can snag you if you'd have otherwise been out of range for any of their other skills, so I inherently don't disagree in the least here.


Hi Deox, it's me InfernalArrow and yes i agree with you.
Now the PvP suck, the people spam and no one use a tactic or skill in the correct mode like before.
I dont interest if i lose or die, but this is ridiculous, be owned by spam it's annoying and yes like u said some skill and job now rulez to much after this patch.

1)Bishop:Have AoE skills for heal all the party, it was hard kill one before think now..
2)Trapper: stun-poison-marionette-trap-invisible trap= g'bye
3)Assassin: Spam always Sonic and hit all in a flash
4)Shaolin: Infinity combo and fire kick = owned
5)Sniper: fire-ice-poison-double atk and w8 when they learn arrow rain
6)Mage: teleport, earthquake
7)Bersek: Spam always that skill for block ur atk for a while, than ice-fire sword

I think was too fast put this second class, after all we havent new and difficul area for exp or visit.
But now we cant do anything, and now we can call PvP to SvS (spam vs Spam) amen.

Again, saying this as a player.

1.) Group Heal has a significant cooldown. The detriment it causes you is no less greater than before, it's just one more heal. That, and it runs them out of MP quickly.

2.) Trappers seem like "harasser" classes to me. They rarely kill you outrightly, but seek to annoy you while killing you, but posing no exaggerated threat outrightly.

3.) A well played Assassin is good, and a fairly troublesome opponent, but the same can be said of all classes too, so I disagree, but only on the idea that the Assassin being played is skillful, otherwise, it's not too bad to me.

4.) You can dash away from the Fire Kick after the combo by going away from them, granted they'll try to follow 9/10 times, but it doesn't mean it instant hits, so there's nothing wrong with it to me in that respect.

5.) Arrow Rain has a pretty significant cooldown, the rest plays out the same as previous Archer fights from my observations.

6.) The earth pillar manuever(can't think of the name), isn't the biggest issue with Elementalist, it's actually the AoE, in that it has a pretty decent vertical range. A great example is the boxes at the bottom of the midfield, an Elementalist can get in that, and hit everyone with the AoE, same for corners and being on the ledge, can't touch em, but they can definately hit you.

7.) The range on that attack is ludicrous. Makes me really want to get my Warrior to 30, but some day I'll get there.

[BloodLimit]

Personally, this game wasn't anything related to skill from the start. Learning how to play is different from having an unique ability.. The new classes has been recently released, so everyone now got to study and learn how to play the game again.

[seph82]

For Lordalden:
U say for most of this skills there's a pro and a counter, ok i agree with you but, try dodge and run away when 3 people spam skill on you.
The huge problems about this new class is that, the delay for each skills is very very unbalanced so all are free spam them when they want.
So the only solution i have now is put another Arena for second class, and another arena for first class.
But sure the PvP now arent cool or funny like before =\

[lordalden]

For Lordalden:
U say for most of this skills there's a pro and a counter, ok i agree with you but, try dodge and run away when 3 people spam skill on you.
The huge problems about this new class is that, the delay for each skills is very very unbalanced so all are free spam them when they want.
So the only solution i have now is put another Arena for second class, and another arena for first class.
But sure the PvP now arent cool or funny like before =\

Actually, I'm with you on different arena's. It would help matters out a great deal. As for the 3 people chasing me, yesterday, I happened to have my biggest glory moment. 5 people after me in an STD Match and I took them all down, only because Fairies+Fairy Attack is so low cost on MP.

[ameyzing]

Spam only happens when some1 stands in the same place using the same skill thus anything else is perfectly not spam. You cant say that trappers spam when they place landmines and uses the puppet combo on you neither can you say that the ice fire poison and double shot arrows of a sniper is a spam since they are using different attacks. Those are called combos. If some1 was spamming then it would be easy to kill them as they just do the same thing over and over again without any thought of what their doing.

[TriGoon]

Even with complaints, it sounds to me like the pvp is alot better. Much more variety.

Just confirming, is the map after amakusa out now? If it is, you can expect to probably see me around a bit. ;)

[lordalden]

To give an update on my thoughts, today I did find a VERY broken little manuever. The Trapper puppet combo, they can make you block, which, ordinarily, isn't a big deal. Well, then they can make you block in front of their friends, and make you take hits(this doesn't break the puppet), which can, and often will, result in death. This is very concerning, as there are no abilities any other class can use that by themselves, can gurantee your demise.

[ameyzing]

To give an update on my thoughts, today I did find a VERY broken little manuever. The Trapper puppet combo, they can make you block, which, ordinarily, isn't a big deal. Well, then they can make you block in front of their friends, and make you take hits(this doesn't break the puppet), which can, and often will, result in death. This is very concerning, as there are no abilities any other class can use that by themselves, can gurantee your demise.

My favorite tactic ;P

[davisf18]

This is why I stick to Novice PvP :]

[justindz]

It's better because more people are doing it and the matches happen more frequently with less downtime. The introduction of new strategies is nice as well, but some classes are even more under-represented than they were before.

[imjesse]

Being a summoner is a lot tougher then I originally thought, although when someone gets meteor I imagine it will dominate PvP, also there should be a pvp for 1st job, and one for 2nd job, would make things easier.

[GM_rider]

Wow.. so many complaints about 2nd class! Did we release them too soon? I actually like the higher competitive level if brings to PvP. As for the spam, seems like you all have different definitions of what spam is. The only time I get spammed is when it's like 5vMe, which is already unlikely that I will survive, so therefore just live with it or try playing with less slayers in the room.

[ral13]

I don't think the second classes were released too soon at all, it will just take time to get used to the new balance.

[Necronomicron]

oh come on ppl u complained about 2nd classes not being released and
now u complain they are out? ***
i think its better that pvp became "different"
its not as boring it was before seeing only
same skills over and over again, now that there are a lot more of them
i think its much better

[deoxys114]

Wow.. so many complaints about 2nd class! Did we release them too soon? I actually like the higher competitive level if brings to PvP. As for the spam, seems like you all have different definitions of what spam is. The only time I get spammed is when it's like 5vMe, which is already unlikely that I will survive, so therefore just live with it or try playing with less slayers in the room.

Lol Rider. Remember me from PvP? When it was a full Archer team of 5 vs me? That was fun. I lived. XD

[blake3470]

Sweet Beastmaster are off your list
Well i should kno since we never spam =)

Actually I've seen spammer beast masters before....They just summon a dog or whatever and stand there summoning more and sending em off (all in the same spot).

Lepa

Edit: It's really fun on my noob priest (level 14) though. Because spamming is all that these people can do now, I pwned like 4 people (archers rogues other priests etc) at once... I also killed a sniper 1v1 because he was just a noob spammer too. -.- I was kinda on a heal strike because most of my team was yelling at me if I didn't heal them, so it was me vs an army most of the time....

Edit again: Beast masters are just souped up archers, and I've seen plenty of spamming archers, so yes, beast masters spam too...