~~~GMs KSing~~~

[counterfly15]

To all those true fighters, the ones who like to face their opponent eye to eye, close quarters, get up in their face and do damage, this is for you.

Hate how when your trying to grind, or just trying to basic level, your running around trying to find an empty monster, a monster that hasnt been attacked yet by another player or is already attacking a player, and you find one. You run up to it and start giving it kisses with the edge of your weapon. Then one player finishes his/her monster(s), looks at you, runs up to you, stops, then waits for a second, turns around, turns back around, looks at you again, and THEN STARTS ATTACKING YOUR MONSTER. Then after that, he's/she's always going after any monster you pick just because they're selfish and know that leveling takes time.

Particularily the mages and archers do it, but I am tending to see less from the rangers and now more from other meleers. *** IS UP??? Have all the players lost their sense of focus and just dont give a hoot anymore about anyone else? I am sick and tired of trying to level up, WITH ANY CHARACTER, and always, ALWAYS, be KSed by some idiot also out for 'training'. Even when they're weak, and KNOW they're weak, they'll still go for it. They'll wait until YOU attack the creature first hand, then they come in for the remains.

Shall we just call them vultures? Because they're acting like them, never going after the enemy when they have full strength at hand. Or shall we just continue getting upset and calling them noobs and sometimes go into a heated arguement because they can't kill on their own. Oh, and for the ones that can even kill on their own but yet they still choose to attack yours even if you attacked first, they're just selfish, they want the xp just as badly as you do but the difference is that you care about relationships and dont want a bad rep for your character, so you dont KS, and you leave those who attacked whatever creature first alone, and yet, they do not.

Why have I placed the word 'GM' in my title? Simple. I would first like to know, if possible, can you GMs even make it so first one who attacked the monster has priority? And a lil more advanced technique... Whoever's in your party or guild can attack the same monster as you are, but anything but that, or whatever, first to draw blood gets the kill. Is it possible to do such a thing? It would help GREATLY. I've seen some people quit and play a pathetic game just because this game doesnt block out KSings and the other game does because it has the feature I just mentioned above.

And secondly and lastly, if you would trully like to feel what us players have to go through to level up, disguise yourself GMs. Make a character and try to level to level twenty. And dont make any character, make either a warrior or a cleric. See how many times you get KSed. And then see how many times people will actually follow you around and attack every, single, monster you attack first. THEN, you'll know how we feel when we're JUST trying to level so that we can become a stronger player in the future. Do this if you do not believe that KSing sucks hella bad (would say other words but those are forbidden, bleh).

Thanks for reading my thread. I am really looking forward to replies, particularily the GM answering my question. Thanks again.

[anarchy_]

Your title sounded like the GM's were KS'ing, haha

[ienamwen]

I know how you feel, people always leech off my cleric, I feel like screaming "I'm not your tank!" at them every time.

[Atmor]

I agree fully with you, something needs to be done about kill stealing. At the very least when you are doing a quest if you helped kill the monster you should get the kill, and I mean not just one hit of 10 damage or whatever, but at least a quarter of the hp unless you are in a team then it is the team doing at least a quarter of the hp or something. I was starting a new cleric in the forest of tides and I had to kill a mushroom fighter you know? I was lvl 3 and had scrolls from my other character so I wasn't worried. I was only doing like 4 damage per hit, so it was taking awhile. This nooby archer, probably around lvl 3 is watching, I knew in the back of my mind what he was going to do, and just as I was about to land the final blow, he fires one arrow and takes my kill. It pissed me off so much because I had to use all my stones (no ment scroll) just to beat it, and comes along and pops one arrow into it takes my kill...so yeah something needs to be done.

[moneybags17]

I'm a cleric, and I admit that I've done that a couple of times, but it's not intentional. It's usually just that one monster/mob that I attack and I attack on sight, not wait like a vulture or follow you around. Actually, I usually end up forming a good party with those people since we are hunting the same monsters. I haven't had the KS problem myself, though, since I party with those that KS me for the same reason. I've only seen one party refuse the offer (this was in Marlone Clan Hideout). They said to quit KSing, so we branched away from eachother. A KS or 2 by accident is okay, but if you don't want someone to follow you around, be sure to tell them and make sure they understand. (it took wikipedia to teach this lv 22 cleric what ks stands for)

[counterfly15]

Yep, thats why I made the title this way Anarchy, it was eye-catching, but it's more like GMs, KSing, because it partains to both GMs and KSings, not together.

Now, for the rest. Thx for replying and giving a brief description about what has happened to you. Yes, VERY annoying. I am a cleric myself and have points into END so I tend to do a little bit less damage than other clerics but I have my extra defense, extra life, and a little bit better blockage ratings, so I can kill loads of mobs no problem. And when mobs surround me, I say to myself, "Yay!" Cuz it grabs my attention, its a ton of creatures attacking at the same time, not just one, two, or three. Because when your grinding and killing the same creatures over and over, you almost zone out and are laid back at the computer just moving your hands ever-so slightly. But then people come around to steal your glory.

Bleh, yes very much so, I would wish for a system to be set that would block KSes. First one to draw blood gets the creature, and if the person hasnt attacked the creature in like 7 seconds, another player may obtain the right. Pretty simple like that.

Well, I must train and still deal with the KSers as there is no system built, hopefully yet. Feel free to continue posting and keep this subject at hand because we ALL deal with this sooner or later.

[Mutantz]

there is a system in the game WOW, for when u have the first SUCCESSFUL strike upon the monster, it will be tagged as "yours". afterwhich, all loot (but not really exp) goes to the player who had the first hit, or party, whatsoever. Any other player hitting / helping or trying to KS will gain 0 items, and 0 experience, which technically wastes all their effort trying to KS.

There is a drawback in this arrangement in Fiesta though... KQs are made out of 3 parties (15 participants, assuming all are smart enough to join a major party to form 3). The significant difference is if you implement the no-KS system in this game the same way as WOW, there would be a lot of experience lost for players in KQ... since only the first party that touches the mob tags it. unless there is a way in KQ to come up with a HUGE PARTY (raid / battalion or something) that shares everyone's exp in the KQ event only (or it can be implemented out of KQ by players).

[counterfly15]

Yes, I see where your coming from. Something like, everyone who joins a kingdom quest, are automatically partied up, the distribution however, is whatever the GMs set, I really dont want to say which should be chosen, but maybe everyone who's in, is one big giant party. But of course, those who like freestyling it, like me, wouldnt like that everyone would be grouped up all together. But you really couldnt yell at them for KSing since your all getting xp and maybe items.

There are A LOT of things that games can do to prevent KSing, and we've been giving a few, and good to. My favorite is when your not KQing and your just grinding. First to draw blood, gets the kill, whether it be like WoW that everyone can still attack the monster but get no xp and no items, or what I posted one above yours that if they do not attack the monster for like 7 seconds, its open to all. I like both cuz they still prevent KSing which makes players feel more at ease when trying to level up.

[-Juggalo-]

blaaa....i hate KS'ers....i usually spam about 30 or so friend invites, as they stand there and click no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no im off for the next kill XD

[Tylur]

What the GM's need to do is somewhat like what Flyff did. After you attack a monster, if somebody comes up and attack it, they won't do damage, and a message pops up on their screen saying "Monster is already being attacked!"

However, sometimes when in a dungeon full of aggros, you're tanking a LOT of monsters whether you want to or not, and somebody comes up and attacks those. That's always been a problem on most games, and there isn't really a solution.

[Game_Hermit]

Free games are played mostly by underage kids. They act like selfish 12 year olds because they probably are. There's a lot less of them in games where you need a credit card. They're still there, but there's a lot less of them.

One way a lot of games solve it is to make it so the first person to hit the monster gets all the exp and items. That way when someone tries to KS it actually helps you. WoW is one game that does it that way and you never have to worry about KSing there.

[maximum]

evrybody is talking about all the bag KS-ers but hee is one thing you guys maybe not had think on: In the Mara KQ.for the mara and marlone,evrybody trying too kill. that is KS ing to right? But if only one player attacking at the time shouldnt we compleate KQ quests. so there is really a good thing with KS ing.but what does KS mean?

[Cuddles101]

Some of the most pathetic KSers I've seen are the newbie characters that find their way in Moonlight Tomb and try to KS spiders and bats. I actually saw this low-level female cleric KSing a bat a cleric and warrior were attacking, and newbie was so engrossed in her immoral activities that she did not notice the Piggy Bat behind her.

What they don't realize is that they're losing more exp than they gain and, I'm not entirely sure if it really is that you lose exp based on your level but you should lose exp based on the level of the monster that killed you. That ought to dissuade newbies / noobies from KSing in high level areas since they are at a higher risk of losing more exp than they gain. They should just be thankful you don't lose levels like in some MMORPGs...I imagine that whack from the Piggy Bat would have been enough to knock her into the negatives.

But KSing is an issue in this game. You can't do anything about the bots KSing...they don't know any better but the jerks that sit at their PCs and are too lazy to go out and kill their own darn mobs are annoying. In 2 Moons there is a system much like Flyff's where monsters get 'tagged' by the first hit and I wouldn't mind if they implemented that here. I like to help sometimes and even though I'm helping I don't need the other person's exp or drops. In my mind, I was only helping so I don't mind ending up with nothing, I'm just glad to know that another mage or archer is able to complete their quest.

To the person that lost that kill after all the trouble you went through, my heart goes out to you because the same thing happened to me. It's not fair that the person that makes the killing blow get's the kill (even though that does make sense) but look at the cleric who's doing 4 dmg per hit and using her scrolls and SP to complete her quest, going through all that trouble and for nothing.

Something needs to be changed...oh and that would slow down bots as well. If they got no exp or drops for KSing then botters would just be wasting time, ne?

[redgodess13]

all this is y i dont think ksing applies to kqs

[Crossface92]

its's usually the lower level noobs that go to cp and ks when I'm trying to kill a Harkan or whatever monster. I tell them to stop but they just ignore me and keep ksing me, until some monster attacks them and they run like the b*tches.

[Kuydo]

its's usually the lower level noobs that go to cp and ks when I'm trying to kill a Harkan or whatever monster. I tell them to stop but they just ignore me and keep ksing me, until some monster attacks them and they run like the b*tches.

You may want to avoid bumping threads this old xD. However if a person repeatedly kill steals you then take screen shots of the incident and sent them with the details of what occurred to a GM. Also you may want to avoid cursing here. This is a forum for young ages as well. :3

[Luna_Moore]

I feel your pain but let's refrain from insulting vultures by associating them with these ... things.

;)

Blehck.