Official Thread ;D Helga Raid Schedules.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Originally Posted by IroguroMeek
Helga Raid Schedule
First Week
Monday, March 30, 2009: BusouIIRenkin(Killed Helga at 7:34pm Outspark Time)
Tuesday, March 31, 2009: Moonlights(Killed Helga at 8:45 pm Outspark Time)
Wednesday, April 1, 2009: Holy_Vangaurds(Killed Helga at 12:18 pm Outspark Time)
Thursday, April 2, 2009: Milky(Killed Helga at 6:50pm Outspark Time)*Server Raid*
Friday, April 3, 2009: Mighty_Army(Killed Helga at 7:47 Outspark Time)
Saturday, April 4, 2009: Loveless(Killed Helga at 8:07pm Outspark Time)
Sunday, April 5, 2009: Inner_Circle(Killed Helga at 6:47 pm Outspark Time)*Server Raid*


Second Week:
Monday, April 6, 2009: BusouIIRenkin(Killed Helga at 7:15 pm Outspark Time)
Tuesday, April 7, 2009: Collision(Killed Helga at 7:47 pmOutspark Time)
Wednesday, April 8, 2009: Milky(Forgot the Hour o.o)
Thursday, April 9, 2009: Holy_VanGuards(Killed Helga at 3:28 pm Outspark Time)
Friday, April 10, 2009: Mighty_Army
Saturday April 11, 2009: Loveless
Sunday, April 12, 2009: Inner Circle



We will start this schedule tomorrow, and see how well it goes. I want to remind everyone that, this schedule guarantees your guild that no one from any of the guilds on the list will interrupt your raid. It does not guarantee, that it will stop all other players on the server from ruining your raid. I hope that, people who are not in these guilds do not attempt to ruin raids, and instead ask these guilds to join the raid instead. You have a much higher chance of getting a weapon if you ask nicely to help these guilds, rather than trying to kill-steal it. We will test this schedule, and see how it works for this week. If it works out well, we will continue with it, and if it does not we can reformulate ideas. For those people, who have a personal grudge or vendetta against a guild, please let that go and do not interfere with their guild raid. I strongly urge, that on free days, the guilds on this list do not attempt or attend Helga raids, we want to give everyone else who is not on that list a shot as well.

Rules: PLEASE READ!!!
-Each guild master is responsible for telling the next guild master the death time of Helga.
-Each guild master who agrees to this schedule, must make sure that all their guildmates agree and not disrupt other guild's raids.
-If a guild member who's guild is on that list, ruins another guilds raid, that guild member's guild will receive a warning. If it happens again, that guild will lose its rights to a slot on the schedule. note Guilds must provide screenshots or a video of the offender(s) in order to prevent false accusations.
-If the offending guild ruins another guild on the lists raid, resulting in that guild being unable to kill Helga because of it. The offending guild will lose its spot during the week, and the spot will be given to the victim guild so they may try again.
-If a guild cannot make their raid schedule, they are welcomed to trade their day with any of the other guilds upon agreement between guild masters.
-If a guild is unsuccessful on killing Helga on their appointed day and they give up, They may:
a) Let Helga on that day become a free server raid.
b) Let Helga live, and report to the next guild master that they were unable to kill it.
-If a guild wishes to be removed from the list, they must notify us on this thread as soon as possible.
-None of the guilds on the list, may claim Helga as theirs on a free day.
Additional Rules

1) Guilds who are attempting a Helga raid on a Freeday should do the raid with ONLY their guild. No invites from outside guilds or friends. If they can kill Helga without outside help, then they deserve a spot on the list.


2)Guilds signing up for a freeday should have the necessary manpower and must provide evidence before they are allowed to take up a freeday.

I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 4.kdef+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 3.5k def+, 1.8k mg def+, 6k hp +

and atleast 3-5 other lvl 8x.

From my experience, this is the very basic you need to be able to pull Helga and kill it. These stats assume that the characters have access to 70% charms and cashpots.


3) Guilds already on the list, should not be allowed to invite other guilds on the list to their raids.


4) Even though it is hard to control, Guilds should make sure their guild members do not enter Tomb of Helga during the raid of other guilds. And in the special case of Wednesdays, after maintence, guilds that are not suppose to raid that day should keep their members out of TOH til after Helga is killed. In case the guild raiding, gives up, a roar will be used to tell the server of a "Server Raid" to uphold fairness that one guild does not overtake Helga that day.

5) In the case the server is "resetted" because of a maintenance, and Helga had been already killed that day, the guild that goes after that day, decides if they would wish to do the raid that day, or wait till their next day(their appointed day) or, if they wish, they could do, a server raid. But the guild who already killed it again, cannot claim it again. It's not the day that belongs to the guild, its the "Helga", obviously we implement the schedule in regards to the 24 hour spawn time.
These Rules are subject to change and any changes will be made in red.

Post if you have any questions or concerns.

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Neon, edit what i pointed out on Meek's thread. He made some big boo-boos =).

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Neon, edit what i pointed out on Meek's thread. He made some big boo-boos =).

Haha xD ok ok Q.Q

[IroguroMeek]

I edited my original post in the other thread lol =o

[Selkice]

if anyone needs a cleric during those raids:
Emily_Swuare from Moonlights ;D
3.5K def 2.2K mdef 7.2K hp
Im hoping to help out in one or two raids :D
just whisper and if Im there Ill help

[fixmyaccountt_t]

if anyone needs a cleric during those raids:
Emily_Swuare from Moonlights ;D
3.5K def 2.2K mdef 7.2K hp
Im hoping to help out in one or two raids :D
just whisper and if Im there Ill help

Well =O What we're doing ish, the people who arent on that list they can join other raids so o.o yea XD



Btw~ Rika invite me to your raaiid 8D xD I can kill o-o xD And if I get lucky maybe I'll get an axe for meh and a vacuum for iBlow...LMFAO!


Vacuum and blow pl0x~ :3

[AmazonPhoenix]

With regards to the free day... to be fair its probably going to require someone from one of the bigger guilds to actually organise it... mainly yell/roar that it's happening around when Helga spawns AND some sort of figurehead to organise the motley rabble hahaha xD. Otherwise I think we can all say we'll feel a bit sick if these days come and go without Helga dying :p. I'm more than willing to put myself forward to try gather everyone who wants a go in FoS on the Thursday (if it remains a "free" day) as HVG will know the spawn from our Wednesday death, but I'm sure that would be unpopular and possibly seen as me trying to sneak in a few more weapons lol ;).

Therefore, I wonder, can you get a few people not in the stereotypically bigger guilds to confirm that they would like to take on such a role? *Pokes Emily* first volunteer? ^_^. Anyone know of anyone else who would be good for this?

[IroguroMeek]

With regards to the free day... to be fair its probably going to require someone from one of the bigger guilds to actually organise it... mainly yell/roar that it's happening around when Helga spawns AND some sort of figurehead to organise the motley rabble hahaha xD. Otherwise I think we can all say we'll feel a bit sick if these days come and go without Helga dying :p. I'm more than willing to put myself forward to try gather everyone who wants a go in FoS on the Thursday (if it remains a "free" day) as HVG will know the spawn from our Wednesday death, but I'm sure that would be unpopular and possibly seen as me trying to sneak in a few more weapons lol ;).

Therefore, I wonder, can you get a few people not in the stereotypically bigger guilds to confirm that they would like to take on such a role? *Pokes Emily* first volunteer? ^_^. Anyone know of anyone else who would be good for this?

Idm that the bigger guilds be there, I just want them to know that its a free day. Meaning free for all, or if any other guild not on the list wants to give it a go with their own guild raid, we should allow them to. If no other guild wants to use that freeday as an attempt for them, then we can surely make it into a server raid. But Dragonfly has already claimed Thursday, I edited it in the other thread but neon didnt update it in his lol. I'm waiting on IC to confirm if they want Tuesday or Sunday, then we can figure out when the freeday is.

[AmazonPhoenix]

Mmmmhmmm OK I see what you mean. In that case I forsee lag-tastic "free" days in HT. Ah the fun xD.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Idm that the bigger guilds be there, I just want them to know that its a free day. Meaning free for all, or if any other guild not on the list wants to give it a go with their own guild raid, we should allow them to. If no other guild wants to use that freeday as an attempt for them, then we can surely make it into a server raid. But Dragonfly has already claimed Thursday, I edited it in the other thread but neon didnt update it in his lol. I'm waiting on IC to confirm if they want Tuesday or Sunday, then we can figure out when the freeday is.

Updated =P and yea =O We could

1) The free day be a server wide raid
2) Free day for another guild~ or group of people
3) At least from the guilds we have on the list, DragonFly has not yet proved to kill helga, so in the case they cannot kill it, they would give their spot to the next guild in waiting? or if by some crazy chance they cannot never kill it, should we award that spot to another guild not on the list? Like Collision for example~ They gave out their guild to be in the list, I guess we could have some guilds in waiting if for example if [x] guild can never kill helga? o-o Just looking at situations. xD

[IroguroMeek]

Updated =P and yea =O We could

1) The free day be a server wide raid
2) Free day for another guild~ or group of people
3) At least from the guilds we have on the list, DragonFly has not yet proved to kill helga, so in the case they cannot kill it, they would give their spot to the next guild in waiting? or if by some crazy chance they cannot never kill it, should we award that spot to another guild not on the list? Like Collision for example~ They gave out their guild to be in the list, I guess we could have some guilds in waiting if for example if [x] guild can never kill helga? o-o Just looking at situations. xD

I think we should allow for any guild who wants to use that day as an attempt day, to go ahead and try. If no guilds sign up for that freeday, then we can use it as a server raid. I think, if a guild is unable to kill it, they themselves will be responsible for letting us know they no longer want that slot to raid. idk, might be one of those things where, they just get tired of killing helga, costs too much, or just bored of it. We'll have to see.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I think we should allow for any guild who wants to use that day as an attempt day, to go ahead and try. If no guilds sign up for that freeday, then we can use it as a server raid. I think, if a guild is unable to kill it, they themselves will be responsible for letting us know they no longer want that slot to raid. idk, might be one of those things where, they just get tired of killing helga, costs too much, or just bored of it. We'll have to see.

Hmm k o.o true xD

[Selkice]

ah~ I was just talking with the other admins from [Moonlight]/[Moonlights] and so far we would like to add Moonlight/Moonlights as a single guild to a slot in the list for helga raids :O

[IroguroMeek]

ah~ I was just talking with the other admins from [Moonlight]/[Moonlights] and so far we would like to add Moonlight/Moonlights as a single guild to a slot in the list for helga raids :O

Seeing that you guys are the first guild to want to try the raid on a freeday, we can set you guys up for Tuesday. let me know if thats okay. Btw neon, IC confirmed they wanted Sunday. I hope this all works out well.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Seeing that you guys are the first guild to want to try the raid on a freeday, we can set you guys up for Tuesday. let me know if thats okay. Btw neon, IC confirmed they wanted Sunday. I hope this all works out well.

Actually o.o Collision told me first XD even tho jerry didnt post >.> so @_@ i dunno @_@

[Selkice]

Ahm... as long as we have a set day for ourselves and its not too close to today... I need time to notify both of the guilds for this... if IC said something first then they can get the next open slot. I just need to know when the Moonlights slot is so I can tell everyone that we wont be busting in on someone else raid X_X, thanks ^^

[IroguroMeek]

Ahm... as long as we have a set day for ourselves and its not too close to today... I need time to notify both of the guilds for this... if IC said something first then they can get the next open slot. I just need to know when the Moonlights slot is so I can tell everyone that we wont be busting in on someone else raid X_X, thanks ^^

I just talked to the Collision Leader, and he said they are no longer interested in the slot. So Moonlight may have Tuesday. Just make sure to read the rules and if you guys can not raid on Tuesday, please notify us so we can open the slot again.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Well. The next guild who appoints themselves will have the next week free spot, OR this weeks spot if Moonlights decides to not do the raid, either that, or we could do a server raid.

[thedark17]

O.o seems like alot of work

*wants tuu help out x)*

[Selkice]

for now just put us in for Tuesday if thats all right...
Im going to try and make sure that everyone knows about it,
if we cant then Ill make sure I notify one of you lol,
and then request a date with more time to schedule it properly.
my biggest concern is organizing Moonlight(s) for success.
thanks for the slot we'll do our best :D

[Andromeda]

Well according to Jerry we won't be doing a Helga raid until next week so one of the days next week Collision will be doing a raid but you will have to ask Jerry which day he plans on doing the raid

[joecracker]

you can remove DF for now, due to some of our members having net problems. i will tell you when we are ready to go back on list :)

[fixmyaccountt_t]

you can remove DF for now, due to some of our members having net problems. i will tell you when we are ready to go back on list :)

Okie ^^ np ;D So..as of now, we have one free space, we could do...

1)Server Raid
2)First guild who declares themselves as eligible for that day


o.o lets see what happens~

[right2bearcustoms]

raid times??? mhahahaa dont make me laugh i go in there and Helga bows down and

offers me his weapons he know who the true king of that tomb is, i am the one

who put all those bodies in there after all, HellGaurdians are after the enraged souls of all

the noobs i slayed

[joecracker]

remember people, if you want to kill it and can go for it, its not hard, :) but you gotta have good net connections :) or its set to fail :)

but this list can grow :) so dont think 7 spots is all there is

[fixmyaccountt_t]

raid times??? mhahahaa dont make me laugh i go in there and Helga bows down and

offers me his weapons he know who the true king of that tomb is, i am the one

who put all those bodies in there after all, HellGaurdians are after the enraged souls of all

the noobs i slayed

LOL cooler~ xD

[Iffrit]

Hmmm o.o
Milky may be interested to be in list, if there is any free slot xD.

[jliciousness]

w8...how bout for ppl whos not in the main guild listed??? when will they get a chance if they want 2 participate???

[Darklink61]

Eh?lol....you all noobs forgot to Sign up Collision =.=
Weekend ftw :p or well next week Holidays so idc xD

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Hmmm o.o
Milky may be interested to be in list, if there is any free slot xD.
ok =O I'll put you guys in on the list :3
w8...how bout for ppl whos not in the main guild listed??? when will they get a chance if they want 2 participate???

Well those people have to go to any of the guild masters of the guilds listed and ask if they could be invited.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

And i'm thinking about, the guild masters can invite at least 5 people to the raids. But we'll need evidence of who attended so we can record it. Wactha guys think? o-o

[Selkice]

I figure as long as the drops goto the guild the raid is assigned to then
I dont see a problem inviting outsiders into the raid.
Especially if the point of the raid is to arm the 'guild' with helga drops.
trusting those invited may become an issue though :o keep that in mind...

btw as far as I know Moonlight(s) if up for the raid we are discussing our tactics
just waiting for the time of death today so we can give everyone the time of raid
either a post on here or a whisp to any of the Moonlight(s) admins/GMs would be:
rediculously appreciated :3

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I figure as long as the drops goto the guild the raid is assigned to then
I dont see a problem inviting outsiders into the raid.
Especially if the point of the raid is to arm the 'guild' with helga drops.

btw as far as I know Moonlight(s) if up for the raid we are discussing our tactics
just waiting for the time of death today so we can give everyone the time of raid
either a post on here or a whisp to any of the Moonlight(s) admins/GMs would be:
rediculously appreciated :3


Well the original plan is to everyone getting a wep xD outsiders and guildies. But the guild master is assigned wif the job of distributing the weps, so he/she will decide to who the weps and blues will go out to. And yeah, I think the hour will be posted here ^^ dont have to worry bout that =P

[Selkice]

alright then well yeah... Guild Leaders decided who gets what im good with that
and please post the hour according to outspark time:
I know that alot of people live in different time zones but they can use it as reference
personally Im 2 hours "ahead" of outspark, knowing that helps alot for me :P

[krazyboi]

Cookies might come to join the action XD pretty sure we can kill him a long as every1 is on at once.
most of us are occupied tuesday though x.x

[joecracker]

DF will be doing a raid since we have not yet killed it yet the week after this sceudule. just giving you guys the heads up so you dont go wondering what happened, i will find out what day we will do it :), thats only fair you let other who havent done it get to pick the day they have their group on

[fixmyaccountt_t]

DF will be doing a raid since we have not yet killed it yet the week after this sceudule. just giving you guys the heads up so you dont go wondering what happened, i will find out what day we will do it :), thats only fair you let other who havent done it get to pick the day they have their group on

As of now you are listed for next week ^^ since you were on this weeks list but said you could not kill it.

[joecracker]

yea, was going to say put us back on for this week but its already been filled :)

let you know what day works for us sometime this week

[fixmyaccountt_t]

yea, was going to say put us back on for this week but its already been filled :)

let you know what day works for us sometime this week

Okie ^^


BIIR has just succesfully killed helga at 7:34pm outspark time
Drops:
Helgait mace
Helgait axe
Blue Shield Fighter
Blue Mace

But since 2 from loveless did it o.o with them what does that mean? LOL

[King_Obito]

Okie ^^


BIIR has just succesfully killed helga at 7:34pm outspark time
Drops:
Helgait mace
Helgait axe
Blue Shield Fighter
Blue Mace

But since 2 from loveless did it o.o with them what does that mean? LOL

We invited the loveless guild to join us.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

We invited the loveless guild to join us.

Gimme a hug! Q.Q XD well, I was talking to clov, and Milky cant assist on thursday but would like for loveless to switch their dates with them, i need to get an ok to approve that o.o *looks for oyo*

[IroguroMeek]

All went well with our raid today. There were a few people there watching, but as far as that it was not disrupted in anyway. Thanks to all the guilds for keeping their word. I hope that this schedule works out well.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

All went well with our raid today. There were a few people there watching, but as far as that it was not disrupted in anyway. Thanks to all the guilds for keeping their word. I hope that this schedule works out well.

Yesh =P As far as I saw everything went well ^^ I hope it really continues this way ;D.

[mkdimmortal]

So how are other guilds supposed to get in on this if there are already 7 set? call the 8th day? lol

[WindCaster]

[Freaks] Guild wants in. Rly tho,,, thhis is serius.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

So how are other guilds supposed to get in on this if there are already 7 set? call the 8th day? lol

Nooo . Only 5 are set, 5 that have proved to kill him, the other 2 spaces are free spaces for every week. As of now we have 1 space for next week since Dragonfly declares themselves eligible to take that free spot, and we have these guilds currently on the bubble, in the ORDER they declared themselves eligible

Collision
Cookies
Freaks


Correct me if I missed some D:

[Iffrit]

Ahh oki, bro Neon, Milky will stick to the first plan (at Thursday). I ll contact you later about "our plan" xD. For now I gtg college hehe byes.

[IroguroMeek]

Nooo . Only 5 are set, 5 that have proved to kill him, the other 2 spaces are free spaces for every week. As of now we have 1 space for next week since Dragonfly declares themselves eligible to take that free spot, and we have these guilds currently on the bubble, in the ORDER they declared themselves eligible

Collision
Cookies
Freaks


Correct me if I missed some D:

Umm I think, DF is after Collision. Unless I missed the request by Cookies somewhere lmao. And Freaks @_@ never heard of you guys before haha

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Ahh oki, bro Neon, Milky will stick to the first plan (at Thursday). I ll contact you later about "our plan" xD. For now I gtg college hehe byes.

Okie bro xD
Umm I think, DF is after Collision. Unless I missed the request by Cookies somewhere lmao. And Freaks @_@ never heard of you guys before haha

Well o.o DF declared themselves first, and since they were in a spot , they automatically get one of the free spot for next week, as for the other spot, collision was the next one to declare, then Cookies xD *check thread meek* LOL xD then...Freaks? o-o'
So if Collision confirms they can do it for next week, then they get the last free spot.
We gotta see how things go this week to make plans for the next(We Don't know if a guild will fail in killing helga and such o:

And I dun know if I missed this xD but do we have confirmation from Moonlights for the raid tomorrow?

[joecracker]

see this is where people are going have problems because you guys want it 7 days only when there seems to be more then 7 guidls who can and want in :)

we will kill helga next week, :) and you guys should allow the guild who havent killed the chance to kill as well, then after that go on a whatever number of guilds have and can kill that many day cycle

[IroguroMeek]

Okie bro xD


Well o.o DF declared themselves first, and since they were in a spot , they automatically get one of the free spot for next week, as for the other spot, collision was the next one to declare, then Cookies xD *check thread meek* LOL xD then...Freaks? o-o'
So if Collision confirms they can do it for next week, then they get the last free spot.
We gotta see how things go this week to make plans for the next(We Don't know if a guild will fail in killing helga and such o:

And I dun know if I missed this xD but do we have confirmation from Moonlights for the raid tomorrow?

hahaha ohh i guess i missed it, and yeah Moonlight will be doing it tommrow

[fixmyaccountt_t]

see this is where people are going have problems because you guys want it 7 days only when there seems to be more then 7 guidls who can and want in :)

we will kill helga next week, :) and you guys should allow the guild who havent killed the chance to kill as well, then after that go on a whatever number of guilds have and can kill that many day cycle

Hmmm true, but like I said before, there are guilds that have not proved they can kill helga, thats why the free spots are implemented, with that, we will know what guilds can kill helga, and eventually we will have more than just 7 guilds in the list, like meek said, the list will keep growing.

hahaha ohh i guess i missed it, and yeah Moonlight will be doing it tommrow

Ok xD and I got inside sources o.o that well emm =O since Moonlights hasnt proved they could kill helga, and if something were to happen, Dragonfly is the next guild in list, so Dragonfly, be ready for tomorrow in any case something happens. But ^^ I hope they do kill it =D ;~; I dont like to fail xD

[Selkice]

Moonlight(s) is on for tomorrow methinks... everyone is pumped about it.
we hope we can succeed like everyone else has so far ^^"
grats on BIIR victory today im glad to see you guys doing so well :D

[joecracker]

yes, but to limit guilds to 1 day a week to try isnt the right thing to do, guilds who want to give it a go should be able to when they have the people on, not limit them to everyone elses thing, thats just my views

[fixmyaccountt_t]

yes, but to limit guilds to 1 day a week to try isnt the right thing to do, guilds who want to give it a go should be able to when they have the people on, not limit them to everyone elses thing, thats just my views

Well its the only way to do things fairly + we are accomdating them in the days they will have their members on. And obviously when the list grows, it will be different, but we will still acommodate them to a day they are sure that their members will be on ^^ Remember xD this is not something that for example, if my guild has 14 ppl on we'll plan it on the spot, it takes a little bit more planning(BIIR and Loveless are accostumed to killing helga so their time to plan is not that much)but for other guilds they got to plan with a little bit of caution.

[krazykris_2000]

see this is where people are going have problems because you guys want it 7 days only when there seems to be more then 7 guidls who can and want in :)

we will kill helga next week, :) and you guys should allow the guild who havent killed the chance to kill as well, then after that go on a whatever number of guilds have and can kill that many day cycle

I agree with Joe. I am not trying to argue/bicker/ruin anyones fun/disrespect/ or w/e else, but in the beginning this was not calling permanent spots. It was said earlier in the thread that if more than 6 guilds wanted in that it would not be a day by day basis, but rather just taking turns: 1-10 days or however many guilds were wanting in. I think that there will be issues if permanent days are set. I think that what you are trying to do is great, but this part is going to offend some people and therefor cause drama. If the 5 guilds who have already "proved" themselves take 5 days out of the week, that only leaves 2 days for other guilds. If those other 2 guilds succeed then what happens? What about the guilds that haven't had a chance to prove yet?

Like I said I am not trying to argue, I am simply asking questions here and pointing out possible unfairness.

Thanks <3

[SweetLavender]

I agree with Joe. I am not trying to argue/bicker/ruin anyones fun/disrespect/ or w/e else, but in the beginning this was not calling permanent spots. It was said earlier in the thread that if more than 6 guilds wanted in that it would not be a day by day basis, but rather just taking turns: 1-10 days or however many guilds were wanting in. I think that there will be issues if permanent days are set. I think that what you are trying to do is great, but this part is going to offend some people and therefor cause drama. If the 5 guilds who have already "proved" themselves take 5 days out of the week, that only leaves 2 days for other guilds. If those other 2 guilds succeed then what happens? What about the guilds that haven't had a chance to prove yet?

Like I said I am not trying to argue, I am simply asking questions here and pointing out possible unfairness.

Thanks <3


that's what I was saying in guild chat. So if 2 other guilds prove themselves, what to do then?

[pokemon4955]

So I think we should not have a 7days cycle since there will be more than 7guilds who are wanting to do a helga raid.So how about collect all the guild that wants to do helga raid and then make a full cycle out of it.
Example:
15guilds want helga raid
It will cycle itself everyday
Mon,tues,wed,thurs,fri,sat,sunday--->up to 15days and then recycle again.

[IroguroMeek]

I agree with Joe. I am not trying to argue/bicker/ruin anyones fun/disrespect/ or w/e else, but in the beginning this was not calling permanent spots. It was said earlier in the thread that if more than 6 guilds wanted in that it would not be a day by day basis, but rather just taking turns: 1-10 days or however many guilds were wanting in. I think that there will be issues if permanent days are set. I think that what you are trying to do is great, but this part is going to offend some people and therefor cause drama. If the 5 guilds who have already "proved" themselves take 5 days out of the week, that only leaves 2 days for other guilds. If those other 2 guilds succeed then what happens? What about the guilds that haven't had a chance to prove yet?

Like I said I am not trying to argue, I am simply asking questions here and pointing out possible unfairness.

Thanks <3

I agree with this and it was part of the plan. As for now, the only guilds that have been able to kill it are up on the list. This is basically a trail week to see how things go first. We are allowing other guilds to try and if they can beat helga, they will be cycled into the list, and it will grow. The only issue i see with that is that, some of the guilds might think that waiting 2 weeks before they get their chance again will cause them to resort to breaking the rules. I personally would rather wait 2 weeks, to garuntee my guild a drop, than to try fight for the Kill. If by Friday night, and everything goes as plans, we will definitely have to bump more guilds in the cycle. I just hope everyone is okay with this.

[Selkice]

So I think we should not have a 7days cycle since there will be more than 7guilds who are wanting to do a helga raid.So how about collect all the guild that wants to do helga raid and then make a full cycle out of it.
Example:
15guilds want helga raid
It will cycle itself everyday
Mon,tues,wed,thurs,fri,sat,sunday--->up to 15days and then recycle again.

that was my thought... a 7day cycle is what everyone seemed to be talking about, and I was wondering how that was going to work out. like the quote above this lol the amount of guilds that prove they can do it would cycle over no matter what day it was... just know that for the guilds that dont have the manpower on that day can request assistance without losing their spot in the cycle like BIIR and LL did today. Of course divying out drops may become a chore, but its nothing we cant work around if everyone is honest and reasonable like we have been thus far :3

by the way I want to personally congratulate the denizens of teva for the cooperation on this matter so far :P were doing an awesome job of keeping it together and not losing our heads :D
im very proud of us

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I agree with Joe. I am not trying to argue/bicker/ruin anyones fun/disrespect/ or w/e else, but in the beginning this was not calling permanent spots. It was said earlier in the thread that if more than 6 guilds wanted in that it would not be a day by day basis, but rather just taking turns: 1-10 days or however many guilds were wanting in. I think that there will be issues if permanent days are set. I think that what you are trying to do is great, but this part is going to offend some people and therefor cause drama. If the 5 guilds who have already "proved" themselves take 5 days out of the week, that only leaves 2 days for other guilds. If those other 2 guilds succeed then what happens? What about the guilds that haven't had a chance to prove yet?

Like I said I am not trying to argue, I am simply asking questions here and pointing out possible unfairness.

Thanks <3

that's what I was saying in guild chat. So if 2 other guilds prove themselves, what to do then?



Please read what I said x_x I said that, as guilds prove themselves to kill helga, they will be added to the list and EVENTUALLY, the list will grow exponentially, those 2 spots we have implemented, those are "tests spots" if said guilds prove they can kill helga, they will move to the permanent list, and I qoute Meek from an earlier post, the list will keep growing and growing.

[joecracker]

idk about making people wait 2 weeks, thats not fair either way

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I agree with this and it was part of the plan. As for now, the only guilds that have been able to kill it are up on the list. This is basically a trail week to see how things go first. We are allowing other guilds to try and if they can beat helga, they will be cycled into the list, and it will grow. The only issue i see with that is that, some of the guilds might think that waiting 2 weeks before they get their chance again will cause them to resort to breaking the rules. I personally would rather wait 2 weeks, to garuntee my guild a drop, than to try fight for the Kill. If by Friday night, and everything goes as plans, we will definitely have to bump more guilds in the cycle. I just hope everyone is okay with this.


Exactly, if for example in the next 2 weeks, the 2 guilds that have been put in the free spot, prove they can kill helga, they would be moved to the list and we would have 9 guilds, we'll follow the same pattern 9 days then we start the cycle all over again, and like I said, it will keep growing as guilds keep proving they can beat helga.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

idk about making people wait 2 weeks, thats not fair either way

YES it is fair, because THAT way EVERYONE gets a shot at it, like meek said, he would rather prefer waiting 2 weeks and knowing he will have a sure drop, instead of doing it all unorganized, thats when the drama starts. Think of it this way, if we do it the" Fighting for kill thing, your guild got less chances of getting a helgait wep. If we do it this way, EVERYONE will get a helgait wep. Nothing is perfect in life ya know o-o but this is the closest thing to perfect we've got so everyguild has a shot at getting hellgait weps.

[joecracker]

should be every 1 cycle at the end then whoever want to try can try, they shouldnt have to wait 2 cycles

1 cycle then whever want to sign up to try can, so like say there is 6 guilds in the cycel and 4 guild want to try those 6 guilds get those 6 days then the other 4 guilds hvave the next 4 days after that to kill it, thats the fair way

[fixmyaccountt_t]

should be every 1 cycle at the end then whoever want to try can try, they shouldnt have to wait 2 cycles

1 cycle then whever want to sign up to try can, so like say there is 6 guilds in the cycel and 4 guild want to try those 6 guilds get those 6 days then the other 4 guilds hvave the next 4 days after that to kill it, thats the fair way

Em o-o thats what we're doing? Who said they have to wait 2 cycles? @_@



Atm there are 5 guilds in the cycle, and 2 spaces for the other 2 guilds. If those 2 guild prove themselves that they can kill helga they will join the cycle.

That would be 7 guilds in the cycle and then 2 spots for guilds that have not proved. If they prove they can they will join the cycle.

That would be 9 guilds then 2 spots for guilds that have not proved themselves that they can kill him. If they prove they can they will join the cycle.

And so so o.o I hope you get what im talking about.


In other words those 2 spots to "prove themselves" will always be there @__@

[krazykris_2000]

Please read what I said x_x I said that, as guilds prove themselves to kill helga, they will be added to the list and EVENTUALLY, the list will grow exponentially, those 2 spots we have implemented, those are "tests spots" if said guilds prove they can kill helga, they will move to the permanent list, and I qoute Meek from an earlier post, the list will keep growing and growing.

I did READ what you said, Neon. Maybe you should re-read what I said >.<. My post was about the same 5 guilds doing it every week with only 2 other days open for X amount of guilds wanting to at least "try". I understand the "test spots" and the "proving" themselves and that the list will "eventually" grow, but I still agree with what Joe is saying. I do not think that it is fair to make others wait 2-3 weeks to get their chance to "try" to kill Helga.

[mkdimmortal]

I don't see why maybe TWO guilds can kill it at once or maybe even 3 , sure ppl might not get what they wanted but at least more ppl are given a fair chance in the end.

[joecracker]

see, 5 guild now the cycle is 5 days, now if 4 guilds want to kill helga they should be givine the chance after each cycle,

5 days up, then 4 days for the 4 guilds who want, they kill then its a 9 day cycle, ayt end of 9 days 3 more want to try, they kill then 12 day cycle, thats how it should work, that would make it fair

EDIT
i dont agree with have 2 slots free, it should be how every many guild or groups who want to after each cycle.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I did READ what you said, Neon. Maybe you should re-read what I said >.<. My post was about the same 5 guilds doing it every week with only 2 other days open for X amount of guilds wanting to at least "try". I understand the "test spots" and the "proving" themselves and that the list will "eventually" grow, but I still agree with what Joe is saying. I do not think that it is fair to make others wait 2-3 weeks to get their chance to "try" to kill Helga.

Hmmm ok ok I get what you're saying but remember, it would not be fair for the guilds that have proved themselves to be put on a lower scale that the one's that have not proved themselves. There aren't a lot of guilds that can go and kill helga. One thing we could do to improve this schedule, is to put more test spots, instead of 2 we could put 3 or 4, that way more guilds can prove themselves without waiting much. Remember ^^ we're just starting this xD we have to see how it goes for the first week before tweaking it.

[Selkice]

Em o-o thats what we're doing? Who said they have to wait 2 cycles? @_@



Atm there are 5 guilds in the cycle, and 2 spaces for the other 2 guilds. If those 2 guild prove themselves that they can kill helga they will join the cycle.

That would be 7 guilds in the cycle and then 2 spots for guilds that have not proved. If they prove they can they will join the cycle.

That would be 9 guilds then 2 spots for guilds that have not proved themselves that they can kill him. If they prove they can they will join the cycle.

And so so o.o I hope you get what im talking about.


In other words those 2 spots to "prove themselves" will always be there @__@

I think they are talking about the 2 "proving" spots if I read correctly... Im pretty sure what the general message is:

why are there only 2 proving spots? if there are more than 2 guilds waiting shouldnt they all get a day for it? its not like helga is going anywhere anyway

of course guilds that need to prove themselves should wait for the end of a cycle if one has already begun, but that doesnt mean they should wait MULTIPLE cycles to get the chance. Dont get too angry im just trying to figure out what were getting at here :x

[fixmyaccountt_t]

see, 5 guild now the cycle is 5 days, now if 4 guilds want to kill helga they should be givine the chance after each cycle,

5 days up, then 4 days for the 4 guilds who want, they kill then its a 9 day cycle, ayt end of 9 days 3 more want to try, they kill then 12 day cycle, thats how it should work, that would make it fair

I think you're right, but since we are starting, we aren't putting too much test spots, lets see how this week goes and Meek and I will decide if we want to put more test spots, but as for now, I'm all for it.

[Selkice]

I think you're right, but since we are starting, we aren't putting too much test spots, lets see how this week goes and Meek and I will decide if we want to put more test spots, but as for now, I'm all for it.

sounds good no need to rush after all :x

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I think they are talking about the 2 "proving" spots if I read correctly... Im pretty sure what the general message is:

why are there only 2 proving spots? if there are more than 2 guilds waiting shouldnt they all get a day for it? its not like helga is going anywhere anyway

of course guilds that need to prove themselves should wait for the end of a cycle if one has already begun, but that doesnt mean they should wait MULTIPLE cycles to get the chance. Dont get too angry im just trying to figure out what were getting at here :x

o.o I'm not angry xD But yeah I totally understand what joe, winter and you are saying, we only put 2 testing spots since we are only starting, we can't start big from the get go, we gotta start little by little, most probably if this week everything goes well, by next week we might implement 3 to 4 test spots.

[joecracker]

there should be no limit on test spots

hence no one signs up to try after the cycle then it repeats, if 6 guilds sign up then there is 6 days in between, thats the only fair way of doing it, but i doubt that will become the case

so this test spots shouldnt even be in this

see the point?

[joecracker]

also DF will be attempting to kill helga after this cycle, in the chance we dont get the kill, we will be trying after the next cycle :)

[IroguroMeek]

that was my thought... a 7day cycle is what everyone seemed to be talking about, and I was wondering how that was going to work out. like the quote above this lol the amount of guilds that prove they can do it would cycle over no matter what day it was... just know that for the guilds that dont have the manpower on that day can request assistance without losing their spot in the cycle like BIIR and LL did today. Of course divying out drops may become a chore, but its nothing we cant work around if everyone is honest and reasonable like we have been thus far :3

by the way I want to personally congratulate the denizens of teva for the cooperation on this matter so far :P were doing an awesome job of keeping it together and not losing our heads :D
im very proud of us

should be every 1 cycle at the end then whoever want to try can try, they shouldnt have to wait 2 cycles

1 cycle then whever want to sign up to try can, so like say there is 6 guilds in the cycel and 4 guild want to try those 6 guilds get those 6 days then the other 4 guilds hvave the next 4 days after that to kill it, thats the fair way

Ehh, I know it's kind of confusing, but this is what we are trying to do, remember all this is subject to change and we kindly accept suggestions to further this schedule.

Monday, March 30, 2009: BusouIIRenkin (Killed Helga at 7:34pm Outspark Time)
Tuesday, March 31, 2009: Moonlights
Wednesday, April 1, 2009: Holy_Vangaurds
Thursday, April 2, 2009: Milky
Friday, April 3, 2009: Mighty_Army
Saturday, April 4, 2009: LoveLess
Sunday, April 5, 2009: Inner_Circle

This is the schedule for this week, Moonlights and Milky were the two free days. Assuming that Moonlights and Milky successfully kill Helga and wish to keep a spot they will be added to the list. Remember, some guilds may even drop out of the week, which means a freeday for the next guild. So assuming that everyone keeps their spot. Next weeks schedule would look like this (note: it wont actually be like this, its just a fake schedule).

Monday- BIIR
Tuesday-Moonlights
Wednesday-HVG
Thursday-Milky
Friday-MA
Saturday-LL
Sunday-IC
Monday-Coll
Tuesday-Cookies
Wednesday-DF
Thursday-Freaks

Then cycle repeats, and we add on more guilds. Remember, guilds get to pick the dates they want, and not all guilds would like to go the same day every week. For instance, BR is pretty much okay with going any day of the week, so that means Monday could be available for either Coll, Cookies, DF, or Freaks, so they technically dont have to wait for 2 weeks or so.

Of course it will become more difficult to manage as the list grows. My only fear is that, some guilds may grow weiry of having to wait 2 weeks for their raid to happen, and they will break the rules of this schedule. Yes, I know it seems really unfair and long that they have to wait that long.

Remember this was made in order to prevent drama between the stronger guilds. As much as I believe in fairness and that every guild deserves a spot on the list, it would seem like a waste if we put a guild, for example, that is composed of 6x-7x non cs users on the list for their own day. We all know well, that you need 8x and sc to beat helga, and its sort of like, letting someone try a raid when you know they are going to fail already. Yes, I know its contradicting, but get what I'm saying? I'd rather much give the spot to a stronger guild who I know will not put that day to waste. Now I'm confusing myself haha...but yeah I hope this clears up things a bit.

[joecracker]

that looks good to me, we will take wed of next week thats fine :)

april 8th :) should work for us

[IroguroMeek]

that looks good to me, we will take wed of next week thats fine :)

idm, but HVG is composed of alot of EU players and so they prefer wednesdays. I guess we can try to compromise between you guys. We'll have to see if everything turns out well this week first.

I'm sort of skeptical about allowing guilds on the list that do not have a good amount of 8x cs users in their guild. Yeah, I know its unfair. But I'm worried, it might come to a point where, those lower guilds are used to gain an extra spot on the list. For example, BR has Monday, then RB(fake guild) which is composed of 6x-7x gets a day on friday and invites BR to their raid. So it is almost as if BR gets two raids and is using the lower level guild to obtain a second spot in the week. Get what I'm saying? I hope no one resorts to that.

And just so I dont sound like a hypocrit, we allowed LL to join us today because they needed help with strategy and they wanted to see how we do the raid so they can try it on their day.

[joecracker]

we will take wed after this first cycle meaning we get the 8th of april

and we have plenty of CS users

[IroguroMeek]

we will take wed after this first cycle meaning we get the 8th of april

and we have plenty of CS users

hahaha I know you guys can do it, I didn't mean it in anyway that you guys won't be able to. I was just making an example of one of my concerns as the list grows xD sorry if it sounded wrong

[joecracker]

i will see what time we will be killing it on the 8th since its after manitance

[fixmyaccountt_t]

i will see what time we will be killing it on the 8th since its after manitance

Well o.o we'll be making next week's schedule by saturday, we'll see how the guilds in the free spots did and like meek said in the fake schedule, thats more or less the plan we have :D

[joecracker]

umm see after this weeks cycle which is 7 days we will be going for helga, so thats next week :) plain and simple :)

now if it isnt wed then uits going be before the next cycle regradless

we are not waiting 2 cycles and neither should any other guild have to

but as it sits now we will be going after on wed, as meeks expample showed

[fixmyaccountt_t]

umm see after this weeks cycle which is 7 days we will be going for helga, so thats next week :) plain and simple :)

now if it isnt wed then uits going be before the next cycle regradless

we are not waiting 2 cycles and neither should any other guild have to

but as it sits now we will be going after on wed, as meeks expample showed

Well, I ask you o.o wed is the only day you can do the raid? And we have to check with HVG if thats the only day they can attend, or if they will attend at all o.o.

[joecracker]

the day isnt set in stone, but we will be going for helga next week is what i am saying. but as it sits we will be trying wed

but like i said, i will see what we want to do day wise

[artboi]

Just to let you guys know we are pretty much available on the weekends so fridays, saturdays and sundays are the days that we are the strongest, in the weekdays we can do it too but i like alot of my guildies to participate in the raids XP

so this friday is for MA ^^

as BR has alrdy seen, my guild will respect these rules ^^

just an idea for those that seem to be doubting this system.

Just think about it, your guild is trying to do this as a team for their guild's porpouse, they put time and money into this, if a guild gets their raid ruined. That guild will surely try to ruin your raid as retribution.
So lets all be fair and let this system help us all get something 100% sure.

[krazykris_2000]

None of us said we were going to ruin another guilds day ;3

[Selkice]

None of us said we were going to ruin another guilds day ;3

;3 no worries from Moonlight(s) we dont plan on meddling,
and if MA says that too well... Ill hold you to it :X
no one wants to have a big chunk of their SC wasted on a botched raid

[ssj4dany]

Originally Posted by IroguroMeek
Helga Raid Schedule

Monday, March 30, 2009: BusouIIRenkin (Killed Helga at 7:34pm Outspark Time)
Tuesday, March 31, 2009: Moonlights
Wednesday, April 1, 2009: Holy_Vangaurds
Thursday, April 2, 2009: Milky
Friday, April 3, 2009: Mighty_Army
Saturday, April 4, 2009: LoveLess
Sunday, April 5, 2009: Inner_Circle

As of Next Week:
Monday, April 6, 2009:
Tuesday, April 7, 2009:
Wednesday, April 8, 2009:
Thursday, April 9, 2009:
Friday, April 10, 2009:
Saturday April 11, 2009:
Sunday, April 12, 2009:



We will start this schedule tomorrow, and see how well it goes. I want to remind everyone that, this schedule guarantees your guild that no one from any of the guilds on the list will interrupt your raid. It does not guarantee, that it will stop all other players on the server from ruining your raid. I hope that, people who are not in these guilds do not attempt to ruin raids, and instead ask these guilds to join the raid instead. You have a much higher chance of getting a weapon if you ask nicely to help these guilds, rather than trying to kill-steal it. We will test this schedule, and see how it works for this week. If it works out well, we will continue with it, and if it does not we can reformulate ideas. For those people, who have a personal grudge or vendetta against a guild, please let that go and do not interfere with their guild raid. I strongly urge, that on free days, the guilds on this list do not attempt or attend Helga raids, we want to give everyone else who is not on that list a shot as well.

Rules:
-Each guild master is responsible for telling the next guild master the death time of Helga.
-Each guild master who agrees to this schedule, must make sure that all their guildmates agree and not disrupt other guild's raids.
-If a guild member who's guild is on that list, ruins another guilds raid, that guild member's guild will receive a warning. If it happens again, that guild will lose its rights to a slot on the schedule. note Guilds must provide screenshots or a video of the offender(s) in order to prevent false accusations.
Possible rule: If the offending guild ruins another guild on the lists raid, resulting in that guild being unable to kill Helga because of it. The offending guild will lose its spot during the week, and the spot will be given to the victim guild so they may try again. (we will have to vote with the guild masters to see if we want to pass this rule)
-If a guild cannot make their raid schedule, they are welcomed to trade their day with any of the other guilds upon agreement between guild masters.
-If a guild is unsuccessful on killing Helga on their appointed day and they give up, They may:
a) Let Helga on that day become a free server raid.
b) Let Helga live, and report to the next guild master that they were unable to kill it.
-If a guild wishes to be removed from the list, they must notify us on this thread as soon as possible.
-None of the guilds on the list, may claim Helga as theirs on a free day.

These Rules are subject to change and any changes will be made in red.

Post if you have any questions or concerns.


Posted By Neon:

Also~ Guild master will have to report to us(Meek and Me) the people that they will choose to invite for the raids(People that are NOT from the guilds listed) That way everyone can have a fair chance at 1 time per week.

perfect day for meeeehh XDD good list xD

[fixmyaccountt_t]

perfect day for meeeehh XDD good list xD


Hahaha feo xDDD


And Moonlights o-o you ready? =P

Raid is in exactly 5 hours and 10 minutes.

[doddzy83]

soo 3hours and 57mins to go?

[King_Obito]

Not to sound like the negative ninny, but what if a guild cannot kill Helga..? I mean we can't have people spending hours upon hours. Ruins the spawn time for some of us lol.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

soo 3hours and 57mins to go?


Atm its....*sees clock* 2 hours and 14 min xD


Btw Moonlights o.o will it be a guild raid only OR will you bring help from other guilds? If so what guild is it? o-o

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Not to sound like the negative ninny, but what if a guild cannot kill Helga..? I mean we can't have people spending hours upon hours. Ruins the spawn time for some of us lol.


Yea lol I told Dragonfly they had to be ready in case Moonlights can't kill it. If they can't kill it(We hope they do) And Dragon fly ain't ready...lets do a old fashioned guild raid? xD that was the idea I had in case something went bad o.o.

[King_Obito]

Yea lol I told Dragonfly they had to be ready in case Moonlights can't kill it. If they can't kill it(We hope they do) And Dragon fly ain't ready...lets do a old fashioned guild raid? xD that was the idea I had in case something went bad o.o.

I guess that would make sense. Let's just hope Moonlights can kill it then, it's already late my time over here XD.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I guess that would make sense. Let's just hope Moonlights can kill it then, it's already late my time over here XD.


O.O what hour is it? xD Here its 8:26 pm o.o

[King_Obito]

O.O what hour is it? xD Here its 8:26 pm o.o

Same...>w>;; LOL.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Same...>w>;; LOL.


LMAO xD its not lateeee Q.Q I think o.o


But something that will help is when helga gets em o.o resetted? xD that way we can do it a little bit earlier

[King_Obito]

o-o; Well Helga shouldn't even spawn until 10+pm

[fixmyaccountt_t]

o-o; Well Helga shouldn't even spawn until 10+pm


Yeah D: thats why when it gets resetted or >.> whatever its called xD and then HVG kills it, then the next day we should kill it like 3 hours earlier o.o

[King_Obito]

Yeah D: thats why when it gets resetted or >.> whatever its called xD and then HVG kills it, then the next day we should kill it like 3 hours earlier o.o

Lol oh yeah ;3! I forgot about that silly maint resetting time!

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Lol oh yeah ;3! I forgot about that silly maint resetting time!

Yeah Q.Q it really helps, thats why I think if we're gonna have HVG in the list, they should always be after the maint and o.o Wait if my mind doesn't betray me LOL today ish maint? o-o So in 2 hours Moonlights kills helga then in 12 hours HVG is supposed to have killed helga already? Correct me if im wrong LOL

[joecracker]

thats not fair to have them every wed, doesnt make fair at all for the other guilds, im sure they could figure other days to do it

if they want to farm like everyone else they shouldnt get a set day each week and as the cycle is going to be more then 7 after this first test week im sure they could figure out other better days

as it still stand we will be going after it next wed :)

[fixmyaccountt_t]

thats not fair to have them every wed, doesnt make fair at all for the other guilds, im sure they could figure other days to do it

if they want to farm like everyone else they shouldnt get a set day each week and as the cycle is going to be more then 7 after this first test week im sure they could figure out other better days

as it still stand we will be going after it next wed :)


We have not scheduled any dates so far, I have to talk to meek about that. And regarding about getting a set day, their case is a little bit tougher, most of their players are from Europe, and cant do raids at other hours, and if they do it in other days, that would completely break the time and schedule, in other words, every guild would have to do it at their hour. Which is like midnight for most of us. Thats why we concede them the spot after maint, that way they can do it at the hour they would like(Right after maint) And all the other guilds could do it at a reasonable hour. I dont know if you understand me o.o

[joecracker]

like i said before we arnt set in stone for wed but next week we will be going after helga, plain and simple, because come monday thats the day any guild who want to try to kill helga have the right to try that was not on this weeks test thing

im just letting you guys know we will be going after helga next week :) date doesnt matter at this point

so besides DF who else is going for there first try next week?


EDIT

so a lot of guilds arnt based in the usa time zones, so to make them have a certain day everytime isnt truly fair

remember from the time the guild before them kills they have 24 hours to kill it, so your statment isnt 100%

say that guild a kills at 8pm well when the helga spawn the next 8p they have 24 hours to kill it, thats the only fair way, if not 24 hours they should be given 12 hours, i know you want them to kill right away but they should be able to kill anytime within there 24 hours, problem solved

maybe instead of dates it goes by a list

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
etc etc

guild 1 kills, guild 2 has 24 hours after spawn to kill of it goes to next guild, not by dates but by a list

you guys have a good idea to do this, but there is so much you need to think about


that way no one needs a certain day because they dont have to kill it at a certain time :)

[fixmyaccountt_t]

like i said before we arnt set in stone for wed but next week we will be going after helga, plain and simple, because come monday thats the day any guild who want to try to kill helga have the right to try that was not on this weeks test thing

im just letting you guys know we will be going after helga next week :) date doesnt matter at this point

so besides DF who else is going for there first try next week?


EDIT

so a lot of guilds arnt based in the usa time zones, so to make them have a certain day everytime isnt truly fair

remember from the time the guild before them kills they have 24 hours to kill it, so your statment isnt 100%

say that guild a kills at 8pm well when the helga spawn the next 8p they have 24 hours to kill it, thats the only fair way, if not 24 hours they should be given 12 hours, i know you want them to kill right away but they should be able to kill anytime within there 24 hours, problem solved

maybe instead of dates it goes by a list

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
etc etc

guild 1 kills, guild 2 has 24 hours after spawn to kill of it goes to next guild, not by dates but by a list

you guys have a good idea to do this, but there is so much you need to think about


Yeah of course your guild is going after helga ^^ You are already in the next weeks list. And what I was talking about is for example:

If at monday [X] Guild kills helga at 8pm then the next day the other guild has to kill it at the same hour, the difference in wednesday is that when the patches come out, helga gets resetted, and for example:

Guild killed helga at 9pm of tuesday, the maint is on 12am wednesday(in other words in 3 hours after the raid) Then maint finishes 3 hours after(3 am) Helga gets resetted(In other words after the maint you dont have to wait those 24 hours, helga will be there. Then the next day, helga will spawn at lets say 3am, but then the guild who kills it that day, can kill it later in the day.

[joecracker]

guilds should have 24 hours to kill it, that makes it only fair, i understand that might be less helga farming in the long run but if you want this to be fair thats the way it should be

after the cycle of the list then guilds are free to try it. then the cycle repeats

i wont aggree to kill it at a certain time, thats stupid on many reasons, because not everyone in the same guild lives in the same part of the world so the 24 hours for them to kill is only fair :)

[WindCaster]

Nooo . Only 5 are set, 5 that have proved to kill him, the other 2 spaces are free spaces for every week. As of now we have 1 space for next week since Dragonfly declares themselves eligible to take that free spot, and we have these guilds currently on the bubble, in the ORDER they declared themselves eligible

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Correct me if I missed some D:

I was kidding. Sorry for the inconvenience. D:

There are only 3 active people in my guild. x.x Dag-nabbit! At least we have history though! ;D (that's what counts... right? ._.)

[fixmyaccountt_t]

guilds should have 24 hours to kill it, that makes it only fair, i understand that might be less helga farming in the long run but if you want this to be fair thats the way it should be

after the cycle of the list then guilds are free to try it. then the cycle repeats

i wont aggree to kill it at a certain time, thats stupid on many reasons, because not everyone in the same guild lives in the same part of the world so the 24 hours for them to kill is only fair :)

It would be so awesome if we didnt have to wait for 24 hours for respawn xD. Like if it was only 12 hours, it would be great =o

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I was kidding. Sorry for the inconvenience. D:

There are only 3 active people in my guild. x.x Dag-nabbit! At least we have history though! ;D (that's what counts... right? ._.)


Haha xD its ok =P and yea xD thats what counts

[joecracker]

12 might work but no less, but the guild if knowing people wont be on can choose to pass for that cycle

but 12 hours might not work, 24 would work regardless

you still getting to farm helga, so what if its not as fast as you wanted, dont have to be greedy (not saying you are) but its the only way to give everyone a fair shot at farming helga

[fixmyaccountt_t]

12 might work but no less, but the guild if knowing people wont be on can choose to pass for that cycle

but 12 hours might not work, 24 would work regardless

you still getting to farm helga, so what if its not as fast as you wanted, dont have to be greedy (not saying you are) but its the only way to give everyone a fair shot at farming helga

True lol


Btw o.o Moonlights~ Helga spawns in o.o 37 min o.o

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Helga raid ish starting...


Moonlights + I think 4-5 from Milky.

And btw I need confirmation from HVG o.o

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Raid has started...but with some inappropiate comments from someone from Milky and HVG. I need to talk to both guild masters about the situation when its possible.


Edit: First attempt was a fail, we'll give them one more chance, if not, we'll have a free for all Server Raid so get ready!

[joecracker]

they should have the day to kill it

so they didnt kill it the firs ttime or second time if that comes down to it, seesh, they should have the day to kill it since thats what you said in the begging if i remember right

either way, you guys dont control helga, so give them time if they need it dam

[leobaloy]

still haven't killed it? x.o

[IroguroMeek]

still haven't killed it? x.o

I think they are killing it atm. Last I heard it was half way dead.

[leobaloy]

I think they are killing it atm. Last I heard it was half way dead.

well that's good ;o

[artboi]

Kallap rush >_<
they are trying once again.

Edit:
Helga killed at 10:47pm Central time US&Canada

[joecracker]

they killed it

[leobaloy]

Kallap rush >_<
they are trying once again.

Edit:
Helga killed at 10:47pm Central time US&Canada

they just killed it then? o.o

grats to moonlights ;o

you know what the drops are? o;

[Selkice]

Helga was killed at approximately 9:45 PM outspark time...
after a failed first attempt and a random army of kallaps,
we finally got around to bringing it down... however:
we were severely KS'd towards the end and the drops were lost in the confusion.

Thank you for our chance to take down helga ^^
although we relied heavily on Milky for support we are very proud of ourselves
I am "never" organizing another raid again X_X

[IroguroMeek]

Helga was killed at approximately 9:45 PM outspark time...
after a failed first attempt and a random army of kallaps,
we finally got around to bringing it down... however:
we were severely KS'd towards the end and the drops were lost in the confusion.

Thank you for our chance to take down helga ^^
although we relied heavily on Milky for support we are very proud of ourselves
I am "never" organizing another raid again X_X

O.O by who?

[mage250]

Q__________Q drops were helgait's hammer and cleric shield i heard...

not telling from whom :P

[joecracker]

wow, so the drops where ksed? i was there watching, and saw what guild where fighting at then end

thats a shame

[IroguroMeek]

Well, someone has the drops, haha now they just have to confess

[arabella-hana]

Well it is disappointing that someone had to come in and ks the drops. Wish they would come forward it isn't right.

[joecracker]

well i think whoever ksed was ranged, i saw a lot shooting helga at the end :(

so sad for you guys, good job killing suvcks that they ks'ed you, i glad i was there to rez you guys a few times

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I got 1 from Loveless who ksed, 1 from HVG who Ksed, and now I dont know if someone from Milky Ksed, As far as I know, Some from Milky WERE invited, but it seems more came, and IF someone from Milky got a drop, and they were not invited, then Milky,Loveless,and HVG Loses their spots until someone comes out straightforward and confesses.


+ I need to talk to Clover and Aery About 2 certain someone's who >.> were not cooperating at the fullest.

[boomdude111]

hmmm i say find out who all was at the raid, and mage, if you know just tell us now ;o cause that's kind of messed up, they did all that work, and ended up with just wasted time? i would be furious

[IroguroMeek]

I got 1 from Loveless who ksed, 1 from HVG who Ksed, and now I dont know if someone from Milky Ksed, As far as I know, Some from Milky WERE invited, but it seems more came, and IF someone from Milky got a drop, and they were not invited, then Milky,Loveless,and HVG Loses their spots until someone comes out straightforward and confesses.


+ I need to talk to Clover and Aery About 2 certain someone's who >.> were not cooperating at the fullest.

I figured out who has the drops xD

[joecracker]

who got them?

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I figured out who has the drops xD

o.o Pm me the names xD

[Andromeda]

hmmm i say find out who all was at the raid, and mage, if you know just tell us now ;o cause that's kind of messed up, they did all that work, and ended up with just wasted time? i would be furious

Furious? Id be at boiling point if that happened in our guild raid. I hope my guild reconsiders if they want to take part in this raid or not to avoid issues like this from happening.

[Selkice]

I know now that one of Moonlights clerics who were vital in the success of Helga's raid got the hammer, however if the shield was looted by a random KSer... I will never forgive them...
(the shield was the ONLY thing I wanted from the raid, THE ONLY THING. I would have gladly handed ANYTHING else over for it)

[fixmyaccountt_t]

hmmm i say find out who all was at the raid, and mage, if you know just tell us now ;o cause that's kind of messed up, they did all that work, and ended up with just wasted time? i would be furious

Exactly...if no one from Moonlights got drops(Which is basically the POINT of it all, the people invited already had a turn this week, so they werent eligible to get weps UNLESS the guild master from Moonlights wished to give them weps. So lets see who got them... Its not fair that all their hard work goes to the drain by ksing.

[mage250]

weee i declare it's free for all again! XD jk :P

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I know now that one of Moonlights clerics who were vital in the success of Helga's raid got the hammer, however if the shield was looted by a random KSer... I will never forgive them...


Ok lemme get this straight, the drops were: Helga Hammer, Helga Wand? (Or is it staff)? Blue Axe and Blue Cleric Shield Correct?

Hammer is in control of Moonlight...now who has the rest of the stuff?

[Nipah]

who was the loveless that ksed?

[LAST_GATE]

<----best kiting fighter EVER!!! =)

[joecracker]

so you guys got all the drops? if you guys picked up the hammer so was the other drops right?

[IroguroMeek]

Emily, check your PMs.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

who was the loveless that ksed?

A little archer LOL I think you know who it is xD A very colorful archer~

[Nipah]

x.x IM me neon

[fixmyaccountt_t]

But I thought a wand dropped....at least thats what I saw o.o and a blue axe also

[mage250]

LOL loveless didnt get the other item... <3 loveless ^^;

[mage250]

and about the wand... my source say it's blue... not helga o.o

and no.. i wont tell who my source is.. it goes against my will D:

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Stay tuned o.o will find out who got the stuffs ;D

[King_Obito]

*eats popcorn and waits* :>

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Ok, I won't say names but as far as the wep distribution thats OK atm.

Both Milky and Moonlights got drops and as to the guild master from Moonlights words, its fine.

As far as to the ksing involved, and the trash talking involved by two guilds, I'll take care of that =P.

I'll give out a warning to those guilds who ksed and used inappropiate language >.> those being Loveless,Holy_VanGuards, and Milky, but like I said in earlier posts, I need to contact both Milky's and HVG's master.

[Fre_ak]

it was jerichoholic20 pt who got the last kills..so basically they got all the drops...from wat i heard

Jericho (Moonlights) = Helga Hammer
Trampy (Milky) = blue pots (lol)
Mehiel (Inner_Circle)= Blue cleric shield
Sairyu (Moonlights) = Unknown
Puja (Mighty_Army) = Unknown (sorry forgot full name)

i would like to say that Moonlight ask for Milky support and we would share the drops but since its got all confused, i think we will forget that for now

i also want to add that i find very low that ppl from other guilds no-invited try to make us fail the raid. ex : fighters mocked or kicked helga to make him turn around and aoe our DD and clerics. thats all i have to say ._.

[IroguroMeek]

I think we have this all sorted out now guys, and everything seems to be fine now. I'm heading to bed, got a big test tomorrow. Neon will answer any questions. Night everyone!

[fixmyaccountt_t]

it was jerichoholic20 pt who got the last kills..so basically they got all the drops...from wat i heard

Jericho (Moonlights) = Helga Hammer
Trampy (Milky) = blue pots (lol)
Mehiel (Inner_Circle)= Blue cleric shield
Sairyu (Moonlights) = Unknown
Puja (Mighty_Army) = Unknown (sorry forgot full name)

i would like to say that Moonlight ask for Milky support and we would share the drops but since its got all confused, i think we will forget that for now

i also want to add that i find very low that ppl from other guilds no-invited try to make us fail the raid. ex : fighters mocked or kicked helga to make him turn around and aoe our DD and clerics. thats all i have to say ._.

Can you pm me the guild of these ppl who ksed? So I can take the proper measures =P

And if Mehiel Got the Shield, I dont think she was invited...As far as I know only people from Moonlights and Milky were invited.

But thats not the info I've gotten o.o In other words xD thats not the person who got the shield.

[joecracker]

ineon next time dont be in a place to have those mobs on u where u die and people get trained, not saying you ment to do that, but was very displeased on what i saw happen with those 2 mage mobs

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I think we have this all sorted out now guys, and everything seems to be fine now. I'm heading to bed, got a big test tomorrow. Neon will answer any questions. Night everyone!


Night Meek O: xD Gl on your test ^^

[fixmyaccountt_t]

ineon next time dont be in a place to have those mobs on u where u die and people get trained, not saying you ment to do that, but was very displeased on what i saw happen with those 2 mage mobs


I didnt pull them =/ >.> I just walked a little bit too far because of the helga aoe D:

[joecracker]

well next time you gotta pay attention lol, but yea, its all good, just learn from your mistakes ;)

[fixmyaccountt_t]

well next time you gotta pay attention lol, but yea, its all good, just learn from your mistakes ;)


Hehe true =P

But yea...HVG has not confirmed their raid status yet, + I would love to speak to their master before they do the raid, as far as I knew they were gonna kill it right after the end of maint.

[Fre_ak]

and next time plz..ppl whos not invited in the raid stay outside of HT.....in our first attempt, all MA was at the gate inside of HT like praying us to fail...i found that pretty much disrespectful.

[Selkice]

...Im going to go pass out now... somehow...
this raid has left me drained and disappointed...
it's almost the exact opposite of my imaginings,
and maybe... its all for the best... night all.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

and next time plz..ppl whos not invited in the raid stay outside of HT.....in our first attempt, all MA was at the gate inside of HT like praying us to fail...i found that pretty much disrespectful.

I was in a party with MA and no o.o they weren't praying for you guys to fail xD I just told them, since it was Moonlights first time, and if they failed, we would do a server raid, they were just being ready in any case, but as far as I know, no one ksed from M.A dunno how puja got the wep...o.o But yeah, in any case I never saw her ksing, not her or any one from M.A they were just there =P.

Now I do saw people from HVG and Loveless ksing, and one fom IC(Needs to confirm if she was invited) Because as far as I know Moonlight only invited people from Milky. So anyone else who hit helga or was involved, they ksed, and they're guilds have a warning. I hope that this doesn't happen again, and please people, will eventually find out who got the wep, save us the trouble and just say you got it ;)

[Lan44]

Gratz to Moonlights (And Milky) for the raid, sorry you had some ksers D: Hopefully there won't be any more of that :l
for the nay sayers-the set up has helped to cut back drama and mass wars, and as long as people are patient and polite this will work out fine ^^
Thank you Meek and Neon for organizing this

[fixmyaccountt_t]

...Im going to go pass out now... somehow...
this raid has left me drained and disappointed...
it's almost the exact opposite of my imaginings,
and maybe... its all for the best... night all.



D: Go rest >w< and no it shouldnt be a disappointed, you killed helga =D but yea...there are some things we have to address, but with time we'll do it ^^ But again good job ;D

[joecracker]

for one the server wide raid should have only happened if the moonlights gave up, they should have had all the time they needed, not just 1 shot at it, because it was there day they could have tried 20 times for all sakes intended

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Gratz to Moomlights (And Milky) for the raid, sorry you had some ksers D: Hopefully there won't be any more of that :l
for the nay sayers-the set up has helped to cut back drama and mass wars, and as long as people are patient and polite this will work out fine ^^
Thank you Meek and Neon for organizing this

Exactly ^^ it can work out :3 and thanks! ;D

[fixmyaccountt_t]

for one the server wide raid should have only happened if the moonlights gave up, they should have had all the time they needed, not just 1 shot at it, because it was there day they could have tried 20 times for all sakes intended

True, the server raid would have happened if they would had tried countless times and if they were unsuccesful killing helga.

But they did it ^^ I congratulate them ;D

[Stargazer01]

I should screen shot when i saw a black hair Fighter*wearing lv8x Armor* pull 2 Kallap mage and cleric to our group...but i am busy on heal >.>

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I should screen shot when i saw a black hair Fighter*wearing lv8x Armor* pull 2 Kallap mage and cleric to our group...but i am busy on heal >.>


I didnt do it on purpose Q__Q I was just getting away of the helga aoe D:

[joecracker]

lol ............... :)

[Stargazer01]

I didnt do it on purpose Q__Q I was just getting away of the helga aoe D:

not u~ i remmber is long black hair

[lady420]

Mehiel from IC was Invited Last Min We ended up loosing clerics before raid started. The sheild is hers. Thank You everyone that Helped Moonlights kill Helga.

[mredlodge]

it was jerichoholic20 pt who got the last kills..so basically they got all the drops...from wat i heard

Jericho (Moonlights) = Helga Hammer
Trampy (Milky) = blue pots (lol)
Mehiel (Inner_Circle)= Blue cleric shield
Sairyu (Moonlights) = Unknown
Puja (Mighty_Army) = Unknown (sorry forgot full name)

i would like to say that Moonlight ask for Milky support and we would share the drops but since its got all confused, i think we will forget that for now

i also want to add that i find very low that ppl from other guilds no-invited try to make us fail the raid. ex : fighters mocked or kicked helga to make him turn around and aoe our DD and clerics. thats all i have to say ._.

actually it goes more like this:

Jericho = blue axe
trampy(me) = freakin' blue sp potion ...rofl
Mehil= blue cleric shield
Puja= Hellgait Hammer
Sairyu= Hellgait 1-hand


Nobody KS'd any drops, all these ppl were in my party.
Mehiel was invited.
Puja traded the Helga Hammer to Jericho for the blue axe
Sairyu was trying to trade Helga 1 hand for a helga wand or staff.(but it was Jericho shouting in Uruga for him)

Now, i'm not so sure but I was under the impression that the fighter/archer helga drops would go to Milky for providing tanks. I would not have bothered to show up if this was not the case.
As far as the ks'ing that was going on, I couldn't tell you..I had my eye on my hp the entire time. However, I was killed when some kallups ended up behind the gate.


trampy

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[fixmyaccountt_t]

not u~ i remmber is long black hair

Btw I love your siggy xD

[joecracker]

so 2 hell weps dropped?

[mredlodge]

so 2 hell weps dropped?

yep........

[fixmyaccountt_t]

actually it goes more like this:

Jericho = blue axe
trampy(me) = freakin' blue sp potion ...rofl
Mehil= blue cleric shield
Puja= Hellgait Hammer
Sairyu= Hellgait 1-hand


Nobody KS'd any drops, all these ppl were in my party.
Mehiel was invited.
Puja traded the Helga Hammer to Jericho for the blue axe
Sairyu was trying to trade Helga 1 hand for a helga wand or staff.(but it was Jericho shouting in Uruga for him)

Now, i'm not so sure but I was under the impression that the fighter/archer helga drops would go to Milky for providing tanks. I would not have bothered to show up if this was not the case.
As far as the ks'ing that was going on, I couldn't tell you..I had my eye on my hp the entire time. However, I was killed when some kallups ended up behind the gate.


trampy

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Meh @_@ thats not the info we received but w.e....I would LOVE to hear from the people WHEN they get the dropped that way any misunderstanding is gone =/ I was told it was a helga shield, not a 1h but its ok~ Lets forget about this day~ Because im not gonna be in a war of: He said this He said that. Lets continue on.

[lady420]

actually it goes more like this:

Jericho = blue axe
trampy(me) = freakin' blue sp potion ...rofl
Mehil= blue cleric shield
Puja= Hellgait Hammer
Sairyu= Hellgait 1-hand


Nobody KS'd any drops, all these ppl were in my party.
Mehiel was invited.
Puja traded the Helga Hammer to Jericho for the blue axe
Sairyu was trying to trade Helga 1 hand for a helga wand or staff.(but it was Jericho shouting in Uruga for him)

Now, i'm not so sure but I was under the impression that the fighter/archer helga drops would go to Milky for providing tanks. I would not have bothered to show up if this was not the case.
As far as the ks'ing that was going on, I couldn't tell you..I had my eye on my hp the entire time. However, I was killed when some kallups ended up behind the gate.


trampy

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This was the Deal I will talk to them both and get the weapons to Clov to distribute at will I was unaware that a 1H or Axe Dropped. This is the First We heard of it ty Trampy I just hope we wont have any problems doing this >.> sigh

[Shadow_Paws]

((lol posted this on another alt of alt of alt ^^ Hihi ^^ This is Stealthy, ImNoir, and now you meet Shadow_Paws lol))

Gratz on the kill Moonlights ^^ For what its worth, it took us over 5 hours on our first successful BIIR + Em-cleric + Spencer raid so you have right to feel very proud of yourselves (lol I went through full decks of t4 scrolls... I die alot)!

On our Monday raid, we had a bit of an audience that was a bit unnerving (accidental kallap draws now and then) but at the same time has to be expected. People are going to want to watch each raid to learn and refine the kill technique. There will be the possible KS'er as well, but as tonight showed, Neon/Meek will help to get the prizes back to rightful hands should something bad have occurred (God I'm so confused.... I think If I read/understood everything that there wasnt really any real kill stealing and the items all ended up in a party that was part of the raid.. I think.. doesn't matter lol).

The plan seems to be working and is meeting its goal (avoid drama). Good job Meek/Neon!! I think it is so cool that Teva is able to pull this off ^^ It might give inspiration to Ap/Ep servers on how better to handle their Helga farming. Teva FTW ^^

[fixmyaccountt_t]

((lol posted this on another alt of alt of alt ^^ Hihi ^^ This is Stealthy, ImNoir, and now you meet Shadow_Paws lol))

Gratz on the kill Moonlights ^^ For what its worth, it took us over 5 hours on our first successful BIIR + Em-cleric + Spencer raid so you have right to feel very proud of yourselves (lol I went through full decks of t4 scrolls... I die alot)!

On our Monday raid, we had a bit of an audience that was a bit unnerving (accidental kallap draws now and then) but at the same time has to be expected. People are going to want to watch each raid to learn and refine the kill technique. There will be the possible KS'er as well, but as tonight showed, Neon/Meek will help to get the prizes back to rightful hands should something bad have occurred (God I'm so confused.... I think If I read/understood everything that there wasnt really any real kill stealing and the items all ended up in a party that was part of the raid.. I think.. doesn't matter lol).

The plan seems to be working and is meeting its goal (avoid drama). Good job Meek/Neon!! I think it is so cool that Teva is able to pull this off ^^ It might give inspiration to Ap/Ep servers on how better to handle their Helga farming. Teva FTW ^^


Thanks!! ;D and yea =P So far we're having less drama than if it were an all out war to kill helga xD. As far as ksing yeah there was ksing, but Moonlight confirms the items are in the correct hands.


I would like for guild masters to tell me if they have an agreement with the guilds they are inviting(such as the agreement EnchantedLady said) And the people they are inviting(the guild) beforehand, that way we can really avoid misunderstandings ^^

[LAST_GATE]

<----bored ftw

[mredlodge]

Meh @_@ thats not the info we received but w.e....I would LOVE to hear from the people WHEN they get the dropped that way any misunderstanding is gone =/ I was told it was a helga shield, not a 1h but its ok~ Lets forget about this day~ Because im not gonna be in a war of: He said this He said that. Lets continue on.


well, you would have needed to read party chat and the subsequent whispers i had with jericho to know. not everyone is going to tell you what is going on, my friend.

as far as i'm concerned, i think of it like this:

If you are lucky enough to have a Helgait weapon fall into your inventory, it is up to you to decide what to do with it. I don't blame Sairyu one bit for wanting to trade for a Helga wand or staff. I think this requiring everyone to tell you what they get is ridiculous. I know everyone wants a Helga weapon. In fact, that's why I made a fighter. I have a capped mage and no matter how strong i try to make it...it's still a 1-hit KO from Helga aoe. I also have a capped archer...rofl.

Also, while speaking in whisper to Jericho, one other thing bothered me. He says "well, I called Helga hammer, so I should get it". What are we people, 8 years old? Most clerics are gonna want a hammer over a mace, fighter gonna want an axe over whatever...etc. I don't argue the fact that Jericho should not get the hammer. He is a very good and strong cleric and he is a member of the guild who's raid it was. My only problem is the 'calling' thing. I am not going to use this method in any party I am in. Does this mean I am out of luck because I wasn't first to 'call' it?

Which brings me back to my first point. I think there should be no 'calling' necessary, if you invite other people from another guild and they happen to get helga weapons....you should just be happy for them. If someone gets a weapon outside of thier class, they should have the right to keep it and trade later for something they want. No reason to get all controlling on the situation.

Joecracker...i like your posts...rofl

Gratz Moonlight


trampy

[fixmyaccountt_t]

well, you would have needed to read party chat and the subsequent whispers i had with jericho to know. not everyone is going to tell you what is going on, my friend.

as far as i'm concerned, i think of it like this:

If you are lucky enough to have a Helgait weapon fall into your inventory, it is up to you to decide what to do with it. I don't blame Sairyu one bit for wanting to trade for a Helga wand or staff. I think this requiring everyone to tell you what they get is ridiculous. I know everyone wants a Helga weapon. In fact, that's why I made a fighter. I have a capped mage and no matter how strong i try to make it...it's still a 1-hit KO from Helga aoe. I also have a capped archer...rofl.

Also, while speaking in whisper to Jericho, one other thing bothered me. He says "well, I called Helga hammer, so I should get it". What are we people, 8 years old? Most clerics are gonna want a hammer over a mace, fighter gonna want an axe over whatever...etc. I don't argue the fact that Jericho should not get the hammer. He is a very good and strong cleric and he is a member of the guild who's raid it was. My only problem is the 'calling' thing. I am not going to use this method in any party I am in. Does this mean I am out of luck because I wasn't first to 'call' it?

Which brings me back to my first point. I think there should be no 'calling' necessary, if you invite other people from another guild and they happen to get helga weapons....you should just be happy for them. If someone gets a weapon outside of thier class, they should have the right to keep it and trade later for something they want. No reason to get all controlling on the situation.

Joecracker...i like your posts...rofl

Gratz Moonlight


trampy


True, thats why I said before, the guild master obviously is the one who decides to were the weps are going. And eventually everyone will get a wep.

[mredlodge]

True, thats why I said before, the guild master obviously is the one who decides to were the weps are going. And eventually everyone will get a wep.

you are missing my point.

I don't think of my guild master as anyone particularily more important than anyone else. We all play, and most of us pay to play this game. What I am saying is, if a person is fortunate enough to have a Hellgait weapon get into thier inventory, it is up to them to do with whatever they want. Soon there will be many Hellgait weapons and it won't seem like such a big deal. But for now, if a person gets a weapon....good for them. Let that person decide what to do with it.

You think with 2 capped players and an 86 fighter I am going to be happy to hand over a Helga weapon to my guild master just because you are telling me to? rofl.

With your attempts to have a stranglehold on these raids, you have created a reason to be secretive. I like the schedule idea but you really have to back off on the threats, chief.

[leobaloy]

you are missing my point.

I don't think of my guild master as anyone particularily more important than anyone else. We all play, and most of us pay to play this game. What I am saying is, if a person is fortunate enough to have a Hellgait weapon get into thier inventory, it is up to them to do with whatever they want. Soon there will be many Hellgait weapons and it won't seem like such a big deal. But for now, if a person gets a weapon....good for them. Let that person decide what to do with it.

You think with 2 capped players and an 86 fighter I am going to be happy to hand over a Helga weapon to my guild master just because you are telling me to? rofl.

With your attempts to have a stranglehold on these raids, you have created a reason to be secretive. I like the schedule idea but you really have to back off on the threats, chief.

You are missing the entire point of this thread and the ideas behind it then. The idea is to share the Hellgait weapons, and having two capped characters doesn't make you special and immune to having to comply with the rules.

[joecracker]

no your missing the idea of that persons post, not all guilds will be like give this person the weapons and he/she will hand them out

each guild and group will handle the drops any way they want to, plain and simple

:)

no one was ksed today as they found out thou people tried, they just didnt make everything public until it was needed and even then

[fixmyaccountt_t]

you are missing my point.

I don't think of my guild master as anyone particularily more important than anyone else. We all play, and most of us pay to play this game. What I am saying is, if a person is fortunate enough to have a Hellgait weapon get into thier inventory, it is up to them to do with whatever they want. Soon there will be many Hellgait weapons and it won't seem like such a big deal. But for now, if a person gets a weapon....good for them. Let that person decide what to do with it.

You think with 2 capped players and an 86 fighter I am going to be happy to hand over a Helga weapon to my guild master just because you are telling me to? rofl.

With your attempts to have a stranglehold on these raids, you have created a reason to be secretive. I like the schedule idea but you really have to back off on the threats, chief.

Am I supposed to care about the fact you have 2 characters? Nope. AND its the guild master's decision if he says: Whoever gets the wep stays with it. Some say: We'll distribute it properly, that way everyone can get one. Believe me, I know how clover is, and his idea to distribute the weps, with that selfish attitute, you might get kicked out of the guild in no time. As far as I know, the guild masters are the ones in charge, some might say: stay with the wep because you got it, some might say: You were not in line to get the wep yet. And most of them think like the second option :3 Ask every guild master who have gotten guild weps, that IS the point of guild raids, if you didnt notice, because, if it would be a: if you get it you got it, then, we would have continued doing server raids? and obviously the ///drama. This is the point of guild raids, now, guilds can do whatever they want, thats their decision. But just to let ya know, someone got kicked from a guild because the plan was to distribute the weapons properly, and eventually EVERYONE will get one, I wouldnt want that to happen to you, chief. And would you tell me what are those "threats" if you call threat enforcing the rules, I merely do it so there can be LESS drama. If for example your guild master says that: if a archer wep drop it will go to [x] person, same with the other weps, and by any chance you get the archer wep, and you were not gonna be given the wep just yet, then thats not being loyal, thus a lot of things can happen, you should learn from other ppls errors ;o.


And please lets STOP the flame, if you dont understand the point of the thread, then dont talk until you know.

[joecracker]

this causes drama either way, just a lil less then free for all

listen, how guilds want to do the raids is up to them in the end


EDIT

how we do our raid will be handled in guild, if something happens it happens, we will handle it ourselves. i think thats what that person was also getting to, that he and whatever guild they are in doesnt need to be told what to do

if im in a guild raid and we invite other to join and have agreed to do certain things and they happen to not follow throu we will handle it how we see fit dont hope on here and complain.

in the end, this is a place to help people get to the raid, if things happen differently then thats how it happens

this thread and idea of doing it this ways to try to keep drama to a low, right idea thou somewhat wrong way of saying and going about things

i dont know if that mad too much sense as it past midnight :)

[mredlodge]

You are missing the entire point of this thread and the ideas behind it then. The idea is to share the Hellgait weapons, and having two capped characters doesn't make you special and immune to having to comply with the rules.


Creating a schedule is one thing..it's a great idea. And that's where this thread should stop trying to dictate what happens.

Being Helgait weapon ****'s is not the answer. These rules as you call them have already led to secrecy and deciept. Who is doing more wrong here, me becuase I voiced my oponion, or the person who keeps it hush hush when they get a Helgait drop?

[Selkice]

turns out I didnt end up going to sleep after all :X
problems with outspark kept me from logging in im redownloading it now...
maybe I will be able to log in after maintenance...
Anyway:

the official Raiders were:
Emily_Swuare, EnchantedLady, Jerichoholic20, Magz00, Daniel_Fury, Trampy, Shaylibell,
Asakura_Ryoko_, Pujalicious, Sairyu, Esbee, Mehiel, T3H355, TelosZero, and Freak.
(there were also a myriad of supporters during the raid, for which we thank you all)


Mehiel was formally invited to the raid despite her guild affiliation:
One of the clerics we planned on using in the raid left us due to an unfortunate misunderstanding involving party placement.
Pujalicious was NOT formally invited to the raid, and was only present because Jerichoholic20 insisted on her presence for the marriage buff, this was (unfortunately) tolerated.

This morning (around 10am outspark time) the master from Milky and the interim master of Moonlights partied and discussed Milky's involvement in the Moonlights raid. During this exchange it was agreed that any orange fighter or archer drops that were found were to be given to Milky; while orange cleric or mage drops would be similarly awarded to Moonlights.

as the situation stands:
we are happy that Mehiel recieved the blue shield and insist she keeps it.
we have distributed the hammer to jerichoholic for his key role in the raid.
Pujalicious and Sairyu will be asked to relinquish the orange fighter equips, so that they may be given to Milky to be distributed as they see fit.

the logic:
even if members were not present and or not aware of any standing agreement between guild masters they joined those guilds with the understanding that the guild master was the leader, not just the person who bought the guild. Those who did not recieve the equips they were hoping for should follow the agreement knowing that in the future there will be raids and that their drop may come next, even if it takes 2 or 3 more raids for them to get them. Invited members of the raid should realize that helga equips are not going to be distributed to them, but if perhaps something useful dropped from the raid that was not a part of the agreement between the guilds they have a legitimate claim to it. As for any uninvited individuals: they joined a raid during another guilds reservations, and wether or not they were useful they should expect to recieve nothing but experience during the raid, when their guild raids helga they can deal with the agreements set up at that time.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

turns out I didnt end up going to sleep after all :X
problems with outspark kept me from logging in im redownloading it now...
maybe I will be able to log in after maintenance...
Anyway:

the official Raiders were:
Emily_Swuare, EnchantedLady, Jerichoholic20, Magz00, Daniel_Fury, Trampy, Shaylibell,
Asakura_Ryoko_, Pujalicious, Sairyu, Esbee, Mehiel, T3H355, TelosZero, and Freak.
(there were also a myriad of supporters during the raid, for which we thank you all)


Mehiel was formally invited to the raid despite her guild affiliation:
One of the clerics we planned on using in the raid left us due to an unfortunate misunderstanding involving party placement.
Pujalicious was NOT formally invited to the raid, and was only present because Jerichoholic20 insisted on her presence for the marriage buff, this was (unfortunately) tolerated.

This morning (around 10am outspark time) the master from Milky and the interim master of Moonlights partied and discussed Milky's involvement in the Moonlights raid. During this exchange it was agreed that any orange fighter or archer drops that were found were to be given to Milky; while orange cleric or mage drops would be similarly awarded to Moonlights.

as the situation stands:
we are happy that Mehiel recieved the blue shield and insist she keeps it.
we have distributed the hammer to jerichoholic for his key role in the raid.
Pujalicious and Sairyu will be asked to relinquish the orange fighter equips, so that they may be given to Milky to be distributed as they see fit.

the logic:
even if members were not present and or not aware of any standing agreement between guild masters they joined those guilds with the understanding that the guild master was the leader, not just the person who bought the guild. Those who did not recieve the equips they were hoping for should follow the agreement knowing that in the future there will be raids and that their drop may come next, even if it takes 2 or 3 more raids for them to get them. Invited members of the raid should realize that helga equips are not going to be distributed to them, but if perhaps something useful dropped from the raid that was not a part of the agreement between the guilds they have a legitimate claim to it. As for any uninvited individuals: they joined a raid during another guilds reservations, and wether or not they were useful they should expect to recieve nothing but experience during the raid, when their guild raids helga they can deal with the agreements set up at that time.

Amen xD and yeah o.othats what im looking for every guild, BIIR told me they invited only Loveless(only 2 members) and now Moonlights say they only invited Milky and 1 from IC. Thats what I would love to know, so it could be easier knowing who is ksing, who is not invited.

Creating a schedule is one thing..it's a great idea. And that's where this thread should stop trying to dictate what happens.

Being Helgait weapon ****'s is not the answer. These rules as you call them have already led to secrecy and deciept. Who is doing more wrong here, me becuase I voiced my oponion, or the person who keeps it hush hush when they get a Helgait drop?
o.o You should read what emily said, thats my point. Maybe its not my business, but if me and meek know these details we could avoid drama, and misunderstandings.

[mredlodge]

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9329/04012009034353.th.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04012009034353.jpg)

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/108/04012009034238.th.jpg (http://img22.imageshack.us/my.php?image=04012009034238.jpg)

These screenshots were taken about 20 to 30 minutes after maintenance. I guess it was a 2-hand even though he is shouting it's a 1-hand :).

[joecracker]

i do not think thats from today as now they have stats

[fixmyaccountt_t]

i do not think thats from today as now they have stats

They have stats? O.O

And HVG...what happened? o-o

[Andromeda]

Has anyone checked to see if Helga has been killed yet? I don't want to go and waste charms and scrolls to check...

[Iffrit]

Sorry guys I just got back from college.
I read all the posts here.
Well sorry for being too late D: But me and Moonlights agreed that we will share the drops from helgait. And I hear Sairyu got the 2h, I will talk Moonlights master about this. And I know who will I give this 2h to, since this person has requested from along ago and he had big role on that helga raid.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Sorry guys I just got back from college.
I read all the posts here.
Well sorry for being too late D: But me and Moonlights agreed that we will share the drops from helgait. And I hear Sairyu got the 2h, I will talk Moonlights master about this. And I know who will I give this 2h to, since this person has requested from along ago and he had big role on that helga raid.

Clov by any chance do you have msn? o-o I need to send you some screens xD and o.o to talk about our plan =P And I still have not heard from HVG, they have the whole day to do it but if I dont see any confirmation or movement as the day goes on, I'll give the spot to another guild.

[AmazonPhoenix]

*Confused* Why would you do that? O.O Servers have only been back up 4-5hours, and no we haven't killed Helga yet, but then again it is 1.30pm for us and most of HVG are at work. Sorry about that :/.

Yay for being a teacher and it being Easter Holidays now. xD.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

*Confused* Why would you do that? O.O Servers have only been back up 4-5hours, and no we haven't killed Helga yet, but then again it is 1.30pm for us and most of HVG are at work. Sorry about that :/.

Yay for being a teacher and it being Easter Holidays now. xD.


Nooo xD I just said it because @.@ I didn't see any sign of HVG xD but okie =o and I need to pm you some screens, I'll upload them in a bit xD.

[Iffrit]

TBH this Helga Raid Schedule not going pretty well.
Some of peoples just dont care about the rules taht Meek and Neon made. Things like "ks-ing" or take the drops and being greedy etc. This not going pretty well.
Well, guys I just hope for you all to be respectful, to other's people's raid. Do not try to ks and get the drop away just for your own selfishness. I m not going to tell name, but I know some peoples do.
I really love the idea that Meek and Neon made, but if u guys not really co-operative with it, then this is pointless.
And also the agreement I made with Moonlights about the last raid, is not going pretty well, or maybe its a fail agreement, coz some peoples being selfish.
We even tanked Helga for Moonlights, and I organized this all Milky party just to help them (Daniel_Fury, Asakura, Freak, etc), but we got nothing.
I wont complain if there was no agreement about that, but tbh I kinda dissapointed at this.

[King_Obito]

Wow I've been trying to read over all of this. I think that the schedule was going great... but that is considering we only had 2 guilds of trial. I think the only problem with this raid is that too many people were invited to help. You can't expect loyalty from a guild you randomly ask to come. ( I think that was the problems with the drops? ) Someone correct me if I'm wrong though. I think we should give it more times before we call this whole planning of raids a fail :p.

[Iffrit]

Wow I've been trying to read over all of this. I think that the schedule was going great... but that is considering we only had 2 guilds of trial. I think the only problem with this raid is that too many people were invited to help. You can't expect loyalty from a guild you randomly ask to come. ( I think that was the problems with the drops? ) Someone correct me if I'm wrong though. I think we should give it more times before we call this whole planning of raids a fail :p.

Nah, I am not saying that this whole planning of raids a fail. And Its not about so many peoples were invited to help.
Here, we are the one who helped Moonlights. Well in simple way, they agreed that they will share they drops with us (Milky), but o well at the end we got nothing. And I hear from Neon that some peoples (who not invited to Moonlight's raid) were trying to ks Helga and run with the drops.
O well, I just hope next time bad things like this wont happen to other guild's raid (HvG,Milky,Loveless,Inner_Circle). I wish you guys luck, cause I prolly wont be there to watch, busy w/ college lmfao :(.
And good job for Meek and thanks for bro Neon for all your support. Sry if I seem to blame on u guys, but I m not :/ I just kinda tired of being tricked...or w/e I should call it :x
Well I ll going to go sleep, catch up to you guys later.

[artboi]

Nah, I am not saying that this whole planning of raids a fail. And Its not about so many peoples were invited to help.
Here, we are the one who helped Moonlights. Well in simple way, they agreed that they will share they drops with us (Milky), but o well at the end we got nothing. And I hear from Neon that some peoples (who not invited to Moonlight's raid) were trying to ks Helga and run with the drops.
O well, I just hope next time bad things like this wont happen to other guild's raid (HvG,Milky,Loveless,Inner_Circle). I wish you guys luck, cause I prolly wont be there to watch, busy w/ college lmfao :(.
And good job for Meek and thanks for bro Neon for all your support. Sry if I seem to blame on u guys, but I m not :/ I just kinda tired of being tricked...or w/e I should call it :x
Well I ll going to go sleep, catch up to you guys later.

funny how you dont expect my guild to not get our raid ruined :P

[KiSsGod]

funny how you dont expect my guild to not get our raid ruined :P

lmao o.o ouch.... XD......

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Nah, I am not saying that this whole planning of raids a fail. And Its not about so many peoples were invited to help.
Here, we are the one who helped Moonlights. Well in simple way, they agreed that they will share they drops with us (Milky), but o well at the end we got nothing. And I hear from Neon that some peoples (who not invited to Moonlight's raid) were trying to ks Helga and run with the drops.
O well, I just hope next time bad things like this wont happen to other guild's raid (HvG,Milky,Loveless,Inner_Circle). I wish you guys luck, cause I prolly wont be there to watch, busy w/ college lmfao :(.
And good job for Meek and thanks for bro Neon for all your support. Sry if I seem to blame on u guys, but I m not :/ I just kinda tired of being tricked...or w/e I should call it :x
Well I ll going to go sleep, catch up to you guys later.

Did you talk to emily bro? What did she say?
Wow I've been trying to read over all of this. I think that the schedule was going great... but that is considering we only had 2 guilds of trial. I think the only problem with this raid is that too many people were invited to help. You can't expect loyalty from a guild you randomly ask to come. ( I think that was the problems with the drops? ) Someone correct me if I'm wrong though. I think we should give it more times before we call this whole planning of raids a fail :p.

Yeah, thats my concern, imagine if we had, 4 spots to test o-o. And yeah...I thought moonlights invited 2 many people, which was the problem, and now some of their guildies are not responding to the agreement, for this reason I think Moonlights should be excluded from the guild raids =/ simply because if 1 member agreed on something and is NOT cooperating, then the guild should take the proper measures. I don't have any problem in including Moonlights in future raid schedules, but I want them to fix this first. This is only a way to eliminate drama.

And like rika said, if your gonna call someone, call people you can trust, dont call random people you dont know if they are gonna be loyal. But in this case, the one who called =/ the one who asked for help, is the one that's being a bit selfish(I'm not talking about the guild, I talk about the member)

[FuSiOnStealth]

(long, boring, but my thoughts on this thread. skip if bored easily lol)

I started reading from where I left off last night and I'm not sure I know the purpose of this thread anymore. When it was a Meek thing, the purpose had nothing to do with drops and fair distribution of drops. It was schedule oriented and was attempting to fair share the helga raids among the (seriously) interested parties (guilds used in this context). Its utility was to prevent drama. For example, drama caused by two raiding parties showing up the same day and battling over the pull and kill. Drama over KS'ers coming in at the last moment and stealing the drops from whomever was doing the raid. The original thread grew out of my first example; both BIIR and MA showed up to raid helga at the same time. Instead of us war them they war us war them ... meek made an attempt to put some structure around it.

I don't think this effort should have anything to do with making sure that drops get to the right ppl. Each raiding party can deal with that among themselves. If a raid is ruined by KS'ing (someone steals the kill and the drops), then its up to the raiding party to determine if it wants help on settling the issue. Yesterdays raid had pages of accusations and gossip about what happened way before the person running the raid asked for any help. As it turned out.. there was no KS'ing and its was simply debate over the agreement for distribution of drops. Thats a issue that is between the raiding party and not us... If the person in charge of the raiding party want to share the issue and discuss remediation, then its worth talking about her.

I don't think this group should be managing a given raiding parties time either. If 'SomeGuild' has 'SomeDay' to work their raid, then the raid can occur anytime past spawn time on that date. If the guild fails and gives up, then sure.. someone can jump in and give it a go. However we should not be sitting around like vultures waiting for failure so we can jump in and rescue the raid... We should not be harassing the guild master to get started or worrying over their interim successes/failures.

I don't think this groups should care who the ppl are in the raiding party either. If Moonlights decided that they wanted to staff their raid entirely with say Collision ppl, then thats their choice. This group does not need to know the make up of the team (assuming this group is not attempting to mitigate issues arising from KS'ing).

In short, this thread should really be nothing more than documentation of planned raid dates and outcomes of said raids (i.e., a schedule). Adhering to the schedule mitigates most of the potential for drama and thats really all we can do. Remember for this to succeed it require cooperation and for 2 (maybe 3) raids we basically have had that cooperation.

Sorry for so wordy and confusing just wanted to say my piece

^^ Stealthy

[IroguroMeek]

@_@ just got back from school.

Well, tbh in my opinion, I think the schedule is going quite well. It's only been 2 days so give it a bit more time before we reform or trash this idea.

We stated clearly before the schedule and repeated many times, that this schedule was made so there would not be any conflict or drama between the stronger guilds over Helga.
If you invited a guild/people to your raid, then you should expect that the drops will not go to your guild/members all the time.

If both guilds at the raid agreed that they will split the drops, then they should split the drops. Yes I know, everyone wants a Helgait weapon, but as Emily said, when you join a guild you pretty much agreed to following what the leader says/does and the rules they uphold. You can't always put your own needs before the people who call you a friend/ally.

I think the real issue here is just the honesty of certain people. Drops should be told to the guild or atleast shouted and told who has it. It seems really idiotic and selfish that a member of a guild refuses to tell their own guild master the drop they obtained. This just causes more speculation amongst each other and the other guilds.

Remember guys, we can't stop kill-stealing 100%. We are doing our best to minimize kill-stealing between major guilds. There is no way in hell, that we can prevent people from kill-stealing or staying outside of Helga Tomb. It all comes down to their own personal judgement, and if they wish to abide by our rules for the betterment of their guild.

And I agree that a guild should atleast be given as much time as they need to kill Helga. It takes alot of attempts to get it right and they should be given the chance to take as much time as needed, aslong as it does not go into the next day. I also wanted to add that, although I have nothing against people watching, it often intimidates the raiding guild. They get suspicious of possible kill-stealing attempts or other things. I personally would say that any guilds that were not invited to the raid, should not be there. If for some reason, they raiding guild gives up and the night turns into a Server Raid. More than likely, one of us will use roar and tell the server there is a Helga Raid. It's just my personal opinion.

Anyways, I want to thank all the guilds who have cooperated up til this point and hope to see more successful raids as the week goes on. We will probably start formulating a new raid schedule for next week if all goes well. Congrats again Moonlight and I hope you guys sort out the drop issues. Goodluck with tonights raid HVG!

[HeroicAce]

(long, boring, but my thoughts on this thread. skip if bored easily lol)

I started reading from where I left off last night and I'm not sure I know the purpose of this thread anymore. When it was a Meek thing, the purpose had nothing to do with drops and fair distribution of drops. It was schedule oriented and was attempting to fair share the helga raids among the (seriously) interested parties (guilds used in this context). Its utility was to prevent drama. For example, drama caused by two raiding parties showing up the same day and battling over the pull and kill. Drama over KS'ers coming in at the last moment and stealing the drops from whomever was doing the raid. The original thread grew out of my first example; both BIIR and MA showed up to raid helga at the same time. Instead of us war them they war us war them ... meek made an attempt to put some structure around it.

I don't think this effort should have anything to do with making sure that drops get to the right ppl. Each raiding party can deal with that among themselves. If a raid is ruined by KS'ing (someone steals the kill and the drops), then its up to the raiding party to determine if it wants help on settling the issue. Yesterdays raid had pages of accusations and gossip about what happened way before the person running the raid asked for any help. As it turned out.. there was no KS'ing and its was simply debate over the agreement for distribution of drops. Thats a issue that is between the raiding party and not us... If the person in charge of the raiding party want to share the issue and discuss remediation, then its worth talking about her.

I don't think this group should be managing a given raiding parties time either. If 'SomeGuild' has 'SomeDay' to work their raid, then the raid can occur anytime past spawn time on that date. If the guild fails and gives up, then sure.. someone can jump in and give it a go. However we should not be sitting around like vultures waiting for failure so we can jump in and rescue the raid... We should not be harassing the guild master to get started or worrying over their interim successes/failures.

I don't think this groups should care who the ppl are in the raiding party either. If Moonlights decided that they wanted to staff their raid entirely with say Collision ppl, then thats their choice. This group does not need to know the make up of the team (assuming this group is not attempting to mitigate issues arising from KS'ing).

In short, this thread should really be nothing more than documentation of planned raid dates and outcomes of said raids (i.e., a schedule). Adhering to the schedule mitigates most of the potential for drama and thats really all we can do. Remember for this to succeed it require cooperation and for 2 (maybe 3) raids we basically have had that cooperation.

Sorry for so wordy and confusing just wanted to say my piece

^^ Stealthy

Beautifully worded, and i couldnt have even thought of something this well said. The schedule itself is a nice idea, but i agree with stealthy that its getting close to going too far. I know you just want to keep things from getting out of hand but think of it this way. "The tighter your hold on something, the easier it becomes for it to slip through your fingers."

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Emm o.o~ Supposedly HVG killed helga but O.o I never got confirmation of when they were gonna do it, and at what hour they killed it(I need the hour so the NEXT guild knows at what hour helga spawns... I would have gone to see how the raid went =/ but no one said nothing....

And yea btw, aery, did you get the screenshots? =/

[Yuyko]

Ohhhhh...
*wishes for HT map to be removed* lol like that's gonna happen. :/

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Helga was killed exactly 35 minutes before this post was made

Umm o.o ok =o did everything go well? No one interfered?

[AmazonPhoenix]

Yeah been blowing off steam and the remainder of charm time in FBZ3.

Helga was killed 8.28pm my time which is 12.18midday OS time.

Dropped a Wand and Shield.

More to say about certain things *(yeah nice choo choo from someone causing us to fail when Helga was at 1/10th hp), but going to go watch the Apprentice now~.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Yeah been blowing off steam and the remainder of charm time in FBZ3.

Helga was killed 8.28pm my time which is 12.18midday OS time.

Dropped a Wand and Shield.

More to say about certain things *(yeah nice choo choo from someone causing us to fail when Helga was at 1/10th hp), but going to go watch the Apprentice now~.


o.o Who caused you to fail? O.O pm me~ >.< I would have gone if I would have known xD but yea...if you could tell me guild name or the person or both o.o so I can take the proper measures, dunno if its someone from the list xD

[BlackDragonEX]

Well This Is What Droped All From Helga!! <3
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/greggles29/screenshot214.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/greggles29/screenshot215.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/greggles29/screenshot216.jpg
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk298/greggles29/screenshot217.jpg

[Iffrit]

funny how you dont expect my guild to not get our raid ruined :P

OMG LMFAO SORRY D:
I forgot about you ._. Dont take it too seriously, I made that post at nite, and I was sleepy. :D

[FuSiOnStealth]

Gratz to HVG ^^ First shield!! Lucky ducks ^^

[AmazonPhoenix]

It's first shield O.o! I didn't know... I thought it was first wand but I was fairly sure a shield had already dropped :o.

Yay for an Int statted shield though xD

[fixmyaccountt_t]

After some deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, after three raids, there are some rules that are not being followed, which I purposely made pass, to see how it would go, but we'll be making some changes.

To be honest, the only guild who killed helga without the help of other guilds, was Holy_VanGuards, and I congratulate them for that. As for that was one of the rules I made since the beginning. Also, one observation I made, on the Moonlights raid, there were more members from Milky than from Moonlights, thus when Milky gets their chance to raid, they will have more opportunities to have helgait weps.


Since the beginning, I said, that IF a guild were to recruit some help, it had to be from a GUILD not affiliated to the list. So that way the people NOT in the list would have a chance to get helgait weps. Because honestly, it does not seem fair for a guild to have two or three chances to get weps. For example: Guild A invites Guild B to their raid, then Guild B has their raid, but then Guild C invites Guild B to their raid, its completely unfair for the other guilds.

The point of this schedule was for the guild who COULD kill helga. And so far only two guilds have proven they can kill it alone, that being BIIR and HVG, and that has been my point ALL along.

Also, people who are NOT invited, please, dont go inside the Tomb, that increases the chances of training(Even if it was by a simple mistake) Simply, if its not your turn to raid, and you were not invited, then stay outside the tomb. And, if you are gonna watch inside, please stay in a place were you don't interrupt, or bring mobs inadvertently. And also, its ilogical for and I qoute the words of someone " Ask for help countless times " If the raid is not of your guild, and you were not invited, merely watch. Do not train, do not hit the mobs, just watch. I got screens of people at todays raid, from OTHER guilds, bluntly saying they were gonna pull helga. The only way other guilds can get involved(aka server raid) is IF the GUILD who was doing the raid, simply says: We cannot kill helga, we give up. Otherwise, NO ONE can get involved, let alone get charmed ready to see the other guild fail. And what surprises me is, that these people, were people that was at yesterday's raid. AND they are people, who their turn is YET to come, so that is COMPLETELY unfair to the other guilds.

To be quite honest, people from Milky, IC, Loveless have all comitted some kind of "inappropiate conduct" whether it be ksing, or training etc etc.


So far BIIR and HVG and MA have respected other guilds raid times, even though there was a little incident with someone from MA getting a wep, but oh well.

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Gratz to HVG ^^ First shield!! Lucky ducks ^^

It's first shield O.o! I didn't know... I thought it was first wand but I was fairly sure a shield had already dropped :o.

Yay for an Int statted shield though xD

Lol its the second shield ;D! The first shield was gotten on our first ever time killing Helga by someone in MA. If i remember, Slashj has it.

[artboi]

Lol its the second shield ;D! The first shield was gotten on our first ever time killing Helga by someone in MA. If i remember, Slashj has it.

^^ i have the shield
unstoppable cleric just around the corner lol :cool:

[IroguroMeek]

bleh bleh bleh hahahaha..

Well this whole thing started out great, but it seems like we ran into a wall xD

There has been some concerns about inviting guilds to each other raids, that are already on the list. For example, How we allowed Loveless to raid with us on Monday (eventhough loveless has a raid day already on saturday). I stated before already, that we allowed Loveless to raid with us because they wanted to see how we did things and it would help them on their raid. We split our drops with them because they did use charms and it would be unfair for us to keep all drops when they helped us.

People and guilds have become concerned about guilds getting more raid time than other guilds. For example, since LL raided with us on monday, they will also raid on Saturday. Assuming they kill it on Saturday, that would mean they got 3 drops, while the other guilds who only have 1 day, are getting 2 drops only. So in a way, it is as if they get to raid 2 times and it becomes unfair to the other guilds.

I was fine with allowing people inviting other people to their raid, so long as they agreed on it. But I can see the argument in that it is unfair in a way and the loop holes that can be taken advantage of.

Also, I have been thinking about this for some time now. And because I am trying to be as fair as possible to all the stronger guilds AND at the same time any other guild, we have been allowing for everyone to sign up with their own guild. This is in no way directed at any guilds, but I personally believe guilds who do not have the capabilities to handle Helga on their own should not have a spot til they can prove to us they have the neccessary manpower to do it without outside help.

I've given this example before, but I believe a guild with 6x-7x should not be given a spot to raid. Yes, they deserve a chance to try. But however, the honest truth is that they will more than likely not succeed. A guild who has a spot on the list, should be able to handle Helga with their guild and their guild only. I have no issues with allowing people to come help you, but it should not be where you have to rely on the other guild in order to beat helga. And as far as I know, the only guilds that have been able to defeat Helga without outside help are HVG, MA, and us. This does not mean that any of the other guilds wont be able to do it on their own. I have full faith in the other guilds, IC, LL, and Milky who have yet to raid. But, as some people have pointed out, they should be able to do it with their own guild in order to get a spot.

I know that it is unfair that guilds get a permanent spot, but some guilds have already begun to question the unfairness of the freeday, and inviting of other guilds already on the list. Bleh, this is really really hard hahaha

I also wanted to add that, I know it is difficult. But perhaps we should keep our members from the guilds already on the list, from going to Tomb of Helga during other guilds raids. It intimidates the guilds doing the raids, and KS is suspected.

Neon and I cannot dictate what should be done. We as a community should vote on this, and so I would like you guys opinion, on what should be done or changed. I hope that everyone read what I said, and you can respond to my post about what you think should be done.

1) Guilds who are attempting a Helga raid on a Freeday should do the raid with ONLY their guild. No invites from outside guilds or friends. If they can kill Helga without outside help, then they deserve a spot on the list.

Yes or No

Guilds signing up for a freeday should have the necessary manpower and must provide evidence before they are allowed to take up a freeday.

I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 4.3k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 4k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 6k hp +

and atleast 3-5 other lvl 8x.

From my experience, this is the very basic you need to be able to pull Helga and kill it. These stats assume that the characters have access to 70% charms and cashpots.

Yes or No

3) Guilds already on the list, should not be allowed to invite other guilds on the list to their raids.

Yes or No

4) Eventhough it is hard to control, Guilds should make sure their guild members do not enter Tomb of Helga during the raid of other guilds. And in the special case of Wednesdays, after maintence, guilds that are not suppose to raid that day should keep their members out of TOH til after Helga is killed. In case the guild raiding, gives up, a roar will be used to tell the server of a "Server Raid" to uphold fairness that one guild does not overtake Helga that day.

Yes or No



These Rules should be read over, and please choose whether you guys think we should start doing this or not. I understand very well that this is going to be completely unfair to the lower guilds. But remember, this schedule was made so that there would not be drama with the stronger guilds. Guilds that can kill Helga with out any outside help, can be given a spot on the list every week. But for those guilds, trying on the freeday, they should prove to us that they atleast have the minimum man power needed, and then be able to kill Helga without help. This is an extremely hard situation and decision to make.

[artboi]

I think guilds that alrdy have a day for raid shouldnt be invited to the raid by another guild.
I agree with the fact that guilds should not get a day for raid if their guild do not have the basics to kill helga. This is one thing that Moonlight was missing, and milky now gets another day for helga most likely, which I dont really care but it seems that other guilds might see it unfair.

As for the next week ^^ put Mighty_Army for friday again.

[fixmyaccountt_t]

I think guilds that alrdy have a day for raid shouldnt be invited to the raid by another guild.
I agree with the fact that guilds should not get a day for raid if their guild do not have the basics to kill helga. This is one thing that Moonlight was missing, and milky now gets another day for helga most likely, which I dont really care but it seems that other guilds might see it unfair.

As for the next week ^^ put Mighty_Army for friday again.

I totally agree on this, guilds that are on the list shouldnt be invited to another raid, and like I said on my previous post, I honestly saw more members from Milky than Moonlights,and it WAS Moonlights raid.


And another thing I would like everyone to know, Since a "little" incident involving me accidentally stepping a little bit back to avoid a helga aoe, and mistakenly pulled 2 kallaps, -.- I'm really hating for people saying I did it on "purpose".


And another thing, maybe this will open some eyes around here, I quite honestly(And I think I speak for both me and Meek) do not expect nothing in return by doing this =/yeah, obviously I would love to have an axe(who wouldnt) but my main objective here is to help you all =/ and only 3 days have passed and this has really been a PAIN in the behind. I know people don't think the same way, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But come on, I think there are better ways that insulting and accusing. Heh, I've even been called selfish in these days, go figure. I don't think a person who's doing this to plainly help other people, has to be called a SELFISH person. I may not do everything perfect but alas no one is perfect O.o.I'll go to sleep now, I hope everything goes well tomorrow. Night.

[artboi]

I totally agree on this, guilds that are on the list shouldnt be invited to another raid, and like I said on my previous post, I honestly saw more members from Milky than Moonlights,and it WAS Moonlights raid.


And another thing I would like everyone to know, Since a "little" incident involving me accidentally stepping a little bit back to avoid a helga aoe, and mistakenly pulled 2 kallaps, -.- I'm really hating for people saying I did it on "purpose".


And another thing, maybe this will open some eyes around here, I quite honestly(And I think I speak for both me and Meek) do not expect nothing in return by doing this =/yeah, obviously I would love to have an axe(who wouldnt) but my main objective here is to help you all =/ and only 3 days have passed and this has really been a PAIN in the behind. I know people don't think the same way, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But come on, I think there are better ways that insulting and accusing. Heh, I've even been called selfish in these days, go figure. I don't think a person who's doing this to plainly help other people, has to be called a SELFISH person. I may not do everything perfect but alas no one is perfect O.o.I'll go to sleep now, I hope everything goes well tomorrow. Night.

^^ so Mighty_Army for next friday

[krazykris_2000]

I keep seeing guilds say put us down "again" for such and such day next week... not that I have a

problem with this, but there are still guilds that would like to have the chance to 'prove'

themselves and have not received it yet. Collision is one of those guilds, and we would kindly like

to know on which day we will be allowed to do such. I feel that Collision is definitely capable of

completing a Helga raid without the aid of other guilds, and I think that guild leaders of some the

other top guilds can vouch for that.

And as always, my post is not bicker/argue/w-e else, just merely asking my questions again.

Thanks ;3

[Selkice]

Ah~ sorry about the length of time that it took to post again...
Moonlights has been ripped open and torn apart since last night:
weve lost 4 members (1 of which is no longer welcome) and
there is a rather large rift and an unsettling atmosphere concerning the raid.
Moonlights will not be filling any slots as a guild for helga raids

im... very disappointed with everything that has happened...
and also very hurt that one of our members trampled everyone's trust in us
I want to apologize to Milky for not bieng able to fulfill our agreement.
and I may or may not decide to resign from Moonlights myself shortly...

I cant believe that one raid has done so much damage, its terrible

[Darklink61]

*totally agrees with my Wife <3*

And as far as I know, the only guilds that have been able to defeat Helga without outside help are HVG, MA, and us. This does not mean that any of the other guilds wont be able to do it on their own. I have full faith in the other guilds, IC, LL, and Milky who have yet to raid. But, as some people have pointed out, they should be able to do it with their own guild in order to get a spot.


.....
Put the Hell Collision on the List o_o lmao!!!!

We have enough capped people in our Guild
Just to name 2 Tanks/Clrcs Maethor/Real_Master and Jerry_Tran/TwilightKingdom

[King_Obito]

I assume we still get monday -.-;..

[IroguroMeek]

I keep seeing guilds say put us down "again" for such and such day next week... not that I have a

problem with this, but there are still guilds that would like to have the chance to 'prove'

themselves and have not received it yet. Collision is one of those guilds, and we would kindly like

to know on which day we will be allowed to do such. I feel that Collision is definitely capable of

completing a Helga raid without the aid of other guilds, and I think that guild leaders of some the

other top guilds can vouch for that.

And as always, my post is not bicker/argue/w-e else, just merely asking my questions again.

Thanks ;3


*totally agrees with my Wife <3*



.....
Put the Hell Collision on the List o_o lmao!!!!

We have enough capped people in our Guild
Just to name 2 Tanks/Clrcs Maethor/Real_Master and Jerry_Tran/TwilightKingdom

Don't worry haha, I am well aware that Collision has the manpower for this. You guys will get a spot I'm sure. I didn't list Collision because my post was in regards to this week only. Sorry if it was misunderstood.

Ah~ sorry about the length of time that it took to post again...
Moonlights has been ripped open and torn apart since last night:
weve lost 4 members (1 of which is no longer welcome) and
there is a rather large rift and an unsettling atmosphere concerning the raid.
Moonlights will not be filling any slots as a guild for helga raids

im... very disappointed with everything that has happened...
and also very hurt that one of our members trampled everyone's trust in us
I want to apologize to Milky for not bieng able to fulfill our agreement.
and I may or may not decide to resign from Moonlights myself shortly...

I cant believe that one raid has done so much damage, its terrible

I'm extremely sorry to hear that Emily. I guess things like this show you the real side of those you call friend. I hope that things get better for you guys.

[Lan44]

1) Guilds who are attempting a Helga raid on a Freeday should do the raid with ONLY their guild. No invites from outside guilds or friends. If they can kill Helga without outside help, then they deserve a spot on the list.

Yes or No

Guilds signing up for a freeday should have the necessary manpower and must provide evidence before they are allowed to take up a freeday.

I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 4.3k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 4k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 6k hp +

and atleast 3-5 other lvl 8x.

From my experience, this is the very basic you need to be able to pull Helga and kill it. These stats assume that the characters have access to 70% charms and cashpots.

Yes or No

3) Guilds already on the list, should not be allowed to invite other guilds on the list to their raids.

Yes or No

4) Eventhough it is hard to control, Guilds should make sure their guild members do not enter Tomb of Helga during the raid of other guilds. And in the special case of Wednesdays, after maintence, guilds that are not suppose to raid that day should keep their members out of TOH til after Helga is killed. In case the guild raiding, gives up, a roar will be used to tell the server of a "Server Raid" to uphold fairness that one guild does not overtake Helga that day.

Yes or No

I'd say Yes for all.. though #3 is kinda hard I'd say yes just to make it easy 'only guild ____' should be there plus avoid trouble like Moonlight sadly had BUT we (BIIR) have had what 2 raids with loveless people with out quibbles as far as I could tell,.... its a problem with trust and respect..... Soo i guess my answer is neither for #3, yes for the others though.

As a side note I'm gonna put this bluntly but please don't think its a flame, Neon:you're trying way to hard to control this back off a little, the aid with scheduling is good but all the accusations yesterday and demands to know who did what or got what aren't necessary. Its up to whoever is head of the days raid to determine who gets who, and who does what, and if its not followed, it sucks but you're not a CL/GM/etc. No one can blacklist people and say "oh that ***** ______ took it, don't let them go to raids!" or what ever. People will get frustrated and stop using the schedule if they feel like you're breathing down their backs about getting every little detail. Getting the time stamp and which guild's doing/done the raid is all this thread should be for.

[IroguroMeek]

I totally agree on this, guilds that are on the list shouldnt be invited to another raid, and like I said on my previous post, I honestly saw more members from Milky than Moonlights,and it WAS Moonlights raid.


And another thing I would like everyone to know, Since a "little" incident involving me accidentally stepping a little bit back to avoid a helga aoe, and mistakenly pulled 2 kallaps, -.- I'm really hating for people saying I did it on "purpose".


And another thing, maybe this will open some eyes around here, I quite honestly(And I think I speak for both me and Meek) do not expect nothing in return by doing this =/yeah, obviously I would love to have an axe(who wouldnt) but my main objective here is to help you all =/ and only 3 days have passed and this has really been a PAIN in the behind. I know people don't think the same way, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But come on, I think there are better ways that insulting and accusing. Heh, I've even been called selfish in these days, go figure. I don't think a person who's doing this to plainly help other people, has to be called a SELFISH person. I may not do everything perfect but alas no one is perfect O.o.I'll go to sleep now, I hope everything goes well tomorrow. Night.

Oops, sorry didn't see this post. lol, and yeah let's cut neon some slack. He honestly does alot more than I do, I simply just spit out the ideas and he's the one that acutally puts them into action haha. He even takes his own time to show up at the raids to make sure they are going well. Anyways, I'd definitely like some feedback from everyone and you neon,on the few things i listed as possible additions to the rules.

[meriel]

Oops, sorry didn't see this post. lol, and yeah let's cut neon some slack. He honestly does alot more than I do, I simply just spit out the ideas and he's the one that acutally puts them into action haha. He even takes his own time to show up at the raids to make sure they are going well. Anyways, I'd definitely like some feedback from everyone and you neon,on the few things i listed as possible additions to the rules.

Yes! And this "more" is somethimes to more. PPL, dont think, that you are CSR or a GM, or any from the Outspark staff. If someone do KS, we will report it, and the CSR or the GM will decide what is to do.

This list is good, and I agree with that. But is only an agreement, what ppl do on our server, to give chance to others. You have not the right to decide. If a guild ask for a day, you should insert a day for them, to do the unbelievable thing, to kill Helga. Thats all.

If Milky feel him ripped off, Milky will never go with Moonlight again, and after that, what happened (I was there), I would wondering if any guild would go with Moonlight together.

(Sorry for my english, is not my strong side. But I hope, you could understand, what I mean...)

[FuSiOnStealth]

1) Guilds who are attempting a Helga raid on a Freeday should do the raid with ONLY their guild. No invites from outside guilds or friends. If they can kill Helga without outside help, then they deserve a spot on the list.



Yes. No guilds already in the 'list' should attempt to use the freeday either ^^


Guilds signing up for a freeday should have the necessary manpower and must provide evidence before they are allowed to take up a freeday.

I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 4.3k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 4k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 6k hp +

and atleast 3-5 other lvl 8x.

From my experience, this is the very basic you need to be able to pull Helga and kill it. These stats assume that the characters have access to 70% charms and cashpots.


Yes. If there is outside manhire it should not come from any guild already on the list.


3) Guilds already on the list, should not be allowed to invite other guilds on the list to their raids.


Yes.


4) Eventhough it is hard to control, Guilds should make sure their guild members do not enter Tomb of Helga during the raid of other guilds. And in the special case of Wednesdays, after maintence, guilds that are not suppose to raid that day should keep their members out of TOH til after Helga is killed. In case the guild raiding, gives up, a roar will be used to tell the server of a "Server Raid" to uphold fairness that one guild does not overtake Helga that day.


Yes. As for Wednesday, I think that its ok for ppl to be in the tomb but should follow rule the generic #4 once the Wendensday raiding party enters (or announces they are ready).

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It will be near to impossible to realy enforce #4 and it might be over stepping the bounds. Since the immediate problem of having other ppl in during a raid is tied to aggroing kallap mobs, maybe some simple etiquette is all that is needed. For example, you accidentally pull kalaps, either kill them or run away from the raiding party and die. Stay close to the gate/walls to avoid accidentally pulling mobs. Expect to die (:D lol best advice... I think most of the accidental pulls are ppl trying to avoid AOE) as price for viewing the raid.

Its easier to educate ppl on how to handle the situation than require them not to check in on the raid. There are a lot of curious folks (those wishing nothing more than to learn or be part of the experience) and its a bit heavy handed to try and require that they do not enter TOH during raid time.

[mkdimmortal]

so what i read from the "rules" only a guild and that guild alone can raid helga? in that case why was moonlight killing helga with milky/HVG inside and MA standing outside like a military back-up? D:

[AmazonPhoenix]

1) Guilds who are attempting a Helga raid on a Freeday should do the raid with ONLY their guild. No invites from outside guilds or friends. If they can kill Helga without outside help, then they deserve a spot on the list.

Yes or No

Guilds signing up for a freeday should have the necessary manpower and must provide evidence before they are allowed to take up a freeday.

I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 4.3k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 4k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 6k hp +

and atleast 3-5 other lvl 8x.

From my experience, this is the very basic you need to be able to pull Helga and kill it. These stats assume that the characters have access to 70% charms and cashpots.

Yes or No

3) Guilds already on the list, should not be allowed to invite other guilds on the list to their raids.

Yes or No

4) Eventhough it is hard to control, Guilds should make sure their guild members do not enter Tomb of Helga during the raid of other guilds. And in the special case of Wednesdays, after maintence, guilds that are not suppose to raid that day should keep their members out of TOH til after Helga is killed. In case the guild raiding, gives up, a roar will be used to tell the server of a "Server Raid" to uphold fairness that one guild does not overtake Helga that day.

Yes or No


Speaking for HVG here...

1. Yes definitely, 100% agree. If you can't kill Helga as a guild, then don't ask for a spot :/... that was what this was made for. They also shouldn't be "absorbing" friends from other guilds for that day either.

2. Yes definitely. If you don't have (especially) the tanks and clerics who are willing to use CS for a successful Helga takedown you won't succeed. It can comfortably be done with 10 8x people, and with good organisation, 7. If you don't have the people, don't expect to be able to take him down :/

3. YES. Absolutely no need for it, even if you are very good friends with other people - then that guild is getting a chance to have 3-4 Helgaits a week, and suddenly the whole idea of a schedule is thrown out the window. Once again, this is supposed to be a guild thing. Also, it could be used as a front by a guild (hypothetically here) who may not have enough people online on that day to take down Helga.

4. Yes, but very hard to control. I suggest that if people want to watch, they stay in the alcove behind the gate, that way you are nowhere near Kallaps and there will be NO drama. You'll probably die from Helga AoE, but at least you didn't spoil the entire raid. There should be no "grinding" HT while a raid is going on, that is simply ridiculous. With regards to Wednesday - hard to control, guess we just need to be vigilant.

I also really think there should be a perma free-day if possible... if there is, it may stop guilds with only a few 8x asking for a "spot"... but right now you are testing the water I understand, still straightening things out.

With regards to HVG - we really would like Wednesday, however any day where he spawns between 10am-1pm OS time would be OK, as that is 6/7pm-9/10pm for us. Much later and people are not online due to work the following day etc.

Thankyou, on behalf of HVG,

~Aerythia

[mkdimmortal]

No one cared to comment on the MT situation? D:

[Iffrit]

I only want to tell that Milky will do the raid in around 10-11 hours from now.
So please do not kill Helga even if he already respawned, because Milky will still do the raid, I just need to stick to the first schedule/plan because peoples are kinda busy with their real life things.
Thanks a lot and wish us best luck :D

[mredlodge]

so what i read from the "rules" only a guild and that guild alone can raid helga? in that case why was moonlight killing helga with milky/HVG inside and MA standing outside like a military back-up? D:

it's much easier for you to read the thread than it is for someone to recap it for you :). It's still a learning process and you will find out what happened and what won't happen again in the future if you read it yourself.

1) Guilds who are attempting a Helga raid on a Freeday should do the raid with ONLY their guild. No invites from outside guilds or friends. If they can kill Helga without outside help, then they deserve a spot on the list.[/QOUTE]

Agree.


[QUOTE] Guilds signing up for a freeday should have the necessary manpower and must provide evidence before they are allowed to take up a freeday.

I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 4.3k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 4k def+, 1.7k mg def+, 6k hp +

and atleast 3-5 other lvl 8x.

From my experience, this is the very basic you need to be able to pull Helga and kill it. These stats assume that the characters have access to 70% charms and cashpots.

agree.

3) Guilds already on the list, should not be allowed to invite other guilds on the list to their raids.

agree

4) Eventhough it is hard to control, Guilds should make sure their guild members do not enter Tomb of Helga during the raid of other guilds. And in the special case of Wednesdays, after maintence, guilds that are not suppose to raid that day should keep their members out of TOH til after Helga is killed. In case the guild raiding, gives up, a roar will be used to tell the server of a "Server Raid" to uphold fairness that one guild does not overtake Helga that day.


absolutely. I don't think anyone outside the raiding party should go in the Tomb. It's ridiculous if someone goes in there and Guild masters should agree to ban any member who goes in during someone else's raid or lose thier place on schedule. Curiosity kills more than just cats.

[artboi]

I only want to tell that Milky will do the raid in around 10-11 hours from now.
So please do not kill Helga even if he already respawned, because Milky will still do the raid, I just need to stick to the first schedule/plan because peoples are kinda busy with their real life things.
Thanks a lot and wish us best luck :D

good luck ^^

[Iffrit]

good luck ^^

Thanks lol ^.^ and im so nervous LMFAO D:

[artboi]

so what i read from the "rules" only a guild and that guild alone can raid helga? in that case why was moonlight killing helga with milky/HVG inside and MA standing outside like a military back-up? D:

My guild was there because we thought Moonlights wouldnt be able to beat Helga so we expected it to be a server raid, but they called for like 6 members from milky which in turn basicly became Milky's helga raid.

[IroguroMeek]

Yes! And this "more" is somethimes to more. PPL, dont think, that you are CSR or a GM, or any from the Outspark staff. If someone do KS, we will report it, and the CSR or the GM will decide what is to do.

This list is good, and I agree with that. But is only an agreement, what ppl do on our server, to give chance to others. You have not the right to decide. If a guild ask for a day, you should insert a day for them, to do the unbelievable thing, to kill Helga. Thats all.

If Milky feel him ripped off, Milky will never go with Moonlight again, and after that, what happened (I was there), I would wondering if any guild would go with Moonlight together.

(Sorry for my english, is not my strong side. But I hope, you could understand, what I mean...)

I don't think Neon was trying to act like he had authorative power at all. I believe the reason why he was trying to so hard, as was I, to find out who had the drops was to avoid false accusations to the other guilds. Since Moonlights at the time, had no clue who had the drops, they were suspicious that another guild besides milky KS'd and got the drops because no one came forth and said they had the drops. The last thing we want is for other guilds to accuse other guilds of kill-stealing and getting the drops and therefore it becomes necessary that we find out immediately who has the drops so there won't be any fighting and bickering between guilds. Of course this brings in the big issue of, guilds that already have a spot shouldn't be there at the Tomb, especially inside of it, to avoid false accusations.

[Iffrit]

After some deliberation, I have come to the conclusion, after three raids, there are some rules that are not being followed, which I purposely made pass, to see how it would go, but we'll be making some changes.

To be honest, the only guild who killed helga without the help of other guilds, was Holy_VanGuards, and I congratulate them for that. As for that was one of the rules I made since the beginning. Also, one observation I made, on the Moonlights raid, there were more members from Milky than from Moonlights, thus when Milky gets their chance to raid, they will have more opportunities to have helgait weps.


Since the beginning, I said, that IF a guild were to recruit some help, it had to be from a GUILD not affiliated to the list. So that way the people NOT in the list would have a chance to get helgait weps. Because honestly, it does not seem fair for a guild to have two or three chances to get weps. For example: Guild A invites Guild B to their raid, then Guild B has their raid, but then Guild C invites Guild B to their raid, its completely unfair for the other guilds.

The point of this schedule was for the guild who COULD kill helga. And so far only two guilds have proven they can kill it alone, that being BIIR and HVG, and that has been my point ALL along.

Also, people who are NOT invited, please, dont go inside the Tomb, that increases the chances of training(Even if it was by a simple mistake) Simply, if its not your turn to raid, and you were not invited, then stay outside the tomb. And, if you are gonna watch inside, please stay in a place were you don't interrupt, or bring mobs inadvertently. And also, its ilogical for and I qoute the words of someone " Ask for help countless times " If the raid is not of your guild, and you were not invited, merely watch. Do not train, do not hit the mobs, just watch. I got screens of people at todays raid, from OTHER guilds, bluntly saying they were gonna pull helga. The only way other guilds can get involved(aka server raid) is IF the GUILD who was doing the raid, simply says: We cannot kill helga, we give up. Otherwise, NO ONE can get involved, let alone get charmed ready to see the other guild fail. And what surprises me is, that these people, were people that was at yesterday's raid. AND they are people, who their turn is YET to come, so that is COMPLETELY unfair to the other guilds.

To be quite honest, people from Milky, IC, Loveless have all comitted some kind of "inappropiate conduct" whether it be ksing, or training etc etc.


So far BIIR and HVG and MA have respected other guilds raid times, even though there was a little incident with someone from MA getting a wep, but oh well.



O well at the first, our plan was to invite Moonlights to our raid and Moonlights invite us to their raid. And we get 1 drops from each raid, so at the end both Milky and Moonlights will get 2 helgait weps.
But well as you can see, thats not going pretty well, since some peoples being "greedy". O well lets just forget about it.

Btw Milky will do the raid soon in around 9 hours or so. Bro Neon, pls online in game, I need to talk to you about something, I havent talked with you since 2 days ago or so I guess.

[Iffrit]

Milky will do the raid in around 6 hours or less from now or 4 hours or so after Helga respawn.
Please do not do any random raid, because Milky will do the raid, but it just kinda late because thats the time when a lot of Milky members will online.
I kindly ask to all of you for your support and co-operative, and also wish us best luck :D
-going sleep-

[krazykris_2000]

Okay, well anyways.

So far I counted these guilds as the ones who want a spot on the list.

BusouIIRenkin
Holy_Vangaurds
Mighty_Army
LoveLess
DragonFly
InnerCircle
Collision

That already takes up a full weeks worth. I wanted to set a side a day or two out of the week for random groups/parties to jump in, but doesn't seem like itll fit.

Don't worry haha, I am well aware that Collision has the manpower for this. You guys will get a spot I'm sure. I didn't list Collision because my post was in regards to this week only. Sorry if it was misunderstood.


My confusion lies here where you had originally said we had a spot in the first week.... Anywho, guess we wait until next week.

[Celtic_Princess]

I totally agree on this, guilds that are on the list shouldnt be invited to another raid, and like I said on my previous post, I honestly saw more members from Milky than Moonlights,and it WAS Moonlights raid.

I believe you and I had a discussion about this yesterday in guild chat. It was my understanding that, as a Milky member, we were invited to that raid. You may have 'seen' more Milky than Moonlights but did you actually watch what they were doing?

For example, I arrived late, didn't have the necessary SC items to truly participate and so only stood back and revved people when the AOE took its toll. So even though you may have seen more Milky members, it doesn't mean that we were all on Helga, instead many of us were just there to help mob control. You cannot judge a situation unless you have all the details.

In addition, if a guild is allowed to come because they 'want to learn how another guild does it and hey you're charmed you may as well help' it is essentially the same as inviting a guild. In that situation its either yes or no, making exceptions only allows for future discrepancies that can cause problems. Moonlight and Milky had an agreement worked out beforehand. And like I said, a number of our members did the same thing I did and helped by killing stray kallaps or revving those who had fallen to helga's AOE.

And another thing I would like everyone to know, Since a "little" incident involving me accidentally stepping a little bit back to avoid a helga aoe, and mistakenly pulled 2 kallaps, -.- I'm really hating for people saying I did it on "purpose".

Here's another 'iffy' situation. You say that anyone who attempts to disrupt these raid will no longer be allowed to participate and that ss's must be provided as proof. Here are my issues, which again, I believe I brought to your attention in yesterday:

1) Publicly naming these people or the guild they are in on this thread is blacklisting. My suggestion is that you foward those ss's on to the users guild master and have them take the appropriate action.

2) Just using an example, in your situation I could easily have taken a ss and it would have looked like you were training, despite the fact that that wasn't the situation. With these users, it could also have just been bad luck. How are you planning to differentiate?

And another thing, maybe this will open some eyes around here, I quite honestly(And I think I speak for both me and Meek) do not expect nothing in return by doing this =/yeah, obviously I would love to have an axe(who wouldnt) but my main objective here is to help you all =/ and only 3 days have passed and this has really been a PAIN in the behind. I know people don't think the same way, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But come on, I think there are better ways that insulting and accusing. Heh, I've even been called selfish in these days, go figure. I don't think a person who's doing this to plainly help other people, has to be called a SELFISH person. I may not do everything perfect but alas no one is perfect O.o.I'll go to sleep now, I hope everything goes well tomorrow. Night.

We discussed this yesterday too, I believe all that I felt needed to be said on the subject I said yesterday.

I think the overall effort and thought that you all are putting into this is fantastic, and its great to see that Teva is not having the same problem that some of the other servers are. However, as this is just the beginning of such an agreement fine tuning will have to take place. These will appear as conflicts and how the community deals with them will affect what needs to be changed. If the community is expected to honor the rules, they'll need to have a say in making them. Perhaps you could put together a roundtable of sorts with the Guild Masters of the 'regular' guilds and come up with a set of rules and guidelines that everyone is comfortable with. :)

[fixmyaccountt_t]

Ok Ok im here im here Q.Q I was out all day D: Clov whisper me on game so we can talk, I suppose the raid is in 2 hours from now.

[IroguroMeek]

My confusion lies here where you had originally said we had a spot in the first week.... Anywho, guess we wait until next week.

Your guild master informed me on the date that the schedule was made that Collision would not be doing the raid and would not like a spot. Instead, they will notify us when they wanted a spot on the freeday. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, 2 guilds notified us before your guild master did and took the 2 free days for this week.

And it seems as if most people agree with the 4 new rules that we want to try and implement and if there is no further objection to it, we might pass them soon.

[mage250]

OMG clovey ur sooooo green D: @______________@

gl with ur raid ^^;

@ Coll raid... well Jer better come here and explain this to us D:

[guillauman13]

Milky raid isn't as easy as we thought ^_^;
Well, I hope they'll kill Helga :3 I'm not on to see it, but I know they can.