About Multi-Shot

[A_geezy]

The current notion is that fighters are overpowered, I truly believe this is because other classes are just gimped. One prime example is the topic of this thread: Multi-Shot.

My personal observations lead me to believe that this skill should be Archers' 4th run-while-cast (RWC) skill (power shot and the two DoTs should also be RWC).

Archers, what do you think? Wouldn't the PvP playing field be altogether leveled if your moves were RWC?


**a second topic: how about Dex & Spr charms from the Cash Shop to further shift the balance of power back to neutral territory?**

[darthnish]

wow i would love for all our skills to be RWC, and as for DEX/SPR charms i'd KILLL for some

[berselius]

To use power shot while running seems a little cheap to me. Multishot while running makes far more sense, although honestly, after level 75 there is almost no reason to use it anymore. I have permanently removed it from my hotkeys. If Nature's Swiftness gave us a small DEX boost that would be cool too.

[mehe25]

I hate multi-shot =.=

[A_geezy]

I hate multi-shot =.=

Well spoken... touches.

[xavier_swift]

Well, if you're patient enough to wait, Multi-Shot gets an upgrade around lvl100 and something. I think DOT capabilities are added onto it.

[Dragonfly77]

I think you mean Mist, which is obtainable at level 51. It's a poison dot aoe rwc.

Gosh that sounded so geeky O.o

[TheCompanions]

Multishot while running would be useless since at 75+ we only use NM>PS>NM>PS
The idea of a new charm that increases DEX/SPR would not bring balance since Fighter would buy it too lol

The only thing we need is double or tripple of stones and more power in our skills
-Im 85 and can hold 109 SP stones.. I use an aoe every 3 seconds and it needs everytime 200+ SP, what is really anoying >.<
-More power is needed since fighters, can wear shilds, but even w/o they have an incredible high defense (only mage can beat that with M.Dmg) but we Archers cant win :(

Well thats my point~

PEACE

[Orchids_Mantis]

The current notion is that fighters are overpowered, I truly believe this is because other classes are just gimped. One prime example is the topic of this thread: Multi-Shot.

My personal observations lead me to believe that this skill should be Archers' 4th run-while-cast (RWC) skill (power shot and the two DoTs should also be RWC).

Archers, what do you think? Wouldn't the PvP playing field be altogether leveled if your moves were RWC?


**a second topic: how about Dex & Spr charms from the Cash Shop to further shift the balance of power back to neutral territory?**


How would this shift the balance of power to neutral territory, exactly?
Fighters are a bit overpoweredd, they are supposed to have higher defense, but their attack with axes outdamages all other classes (while they lack the defense to tank as many mobs as shield-bearers, it makes them almost unquestinably the best PvP class) while still having higher defense than archers or mages (not to mention their stun skills).

Many people still say mages are overpowered, but they only have 2 skills to use running, both of which have 15 second cool downs and no stopping power whatsoever. True, they have nova and inferno at later levels, but they are melee range spells both of which have almost 1 second cast time (not including the 2 seconds it takes to click on the skill and put it in the right place -provided you mouse doens't jump to the top of the screen like mine is prone to do) and they are easy to avoid (simply step around thie big red circle). If the mage casts them directly around themselves, then yes, you have to step into them to attack (unless you are an archer or another mage), but let's face it, it doesn't take much to kill the mage if he/she stands still.

Archers, in PvP, are able to cast 2 DoT spells on a target while runnign away, so unlike mages, who to use their DoT spells must stand still, archers can keep out of an enemy's attack range and still deal reasonable damage. This same skill set allows them to solo kite a much greater number of enemies (at a lower level, since mages don't even get nova until 60) than a mage, as they are not taking damage from the mobs, simply dealing damage to them; making leveling much faster and less expensive (mages have to use their limited supply of hp stones as well as potions because they have lower def than archers yet still take more hits than them).

*Before anyone says I have no clue what I am talking about with archers, I have played one before. At level 15 (or whenever he got the second running DoT spell) he was able to kite Mara Sailors alone without using hp or sp stones, for 1/10 of a level per enemy; these Mara sailors never touched my archer, they all died before reaching him. These running DoT skills are quickly making archers overpowered at PvE grinding.


Clerics have reasonable balance so far -they could use a low power AoE skill, since they lack a luring skill and so have a tendency to attract a lot of mobs at once when going after 1 specific enemy for a quest- they have high defenses and have finally gained the ability to increase their healing power on heal spells (though my cleric seems to have a serious aim issue).




Personally, I don't see how giving archers a 3rd attack they can use while running would do anythig more than push archers closer to fighters on the overpowered side. It is my belief that only 1 of these 2 DoT skills should be able to be used running, as I am tired of having archers leading vast trains of poisoned enemies run by and steal my mobs using their running AoE spells so they can kite the whole map solo and level faster than the mage that I keep hearing so many say is overpowered (despite having his rear end handed to him time and again by mobs of 2 enemies).

[berselius]

Yes, but don't forget that any archer who kites a fighter in pvp is being "cheap," whereas a fighter who stuns an archer and rolls their face across their keyboard is being "strategic." :rolleyes:

[dadictator52]

I don't reeally care about the charms, i don't use no sparkcash anwyays. I don't think we need to upgrade our skills anymore, but maybe just catch up on a lot of those skills that we've been missing out on.

[mehe25]

I wish i could run and cast with multi-shot DX!!!!!!!


It would have been sooo much easier with those 51 levels of agony T.T

[A_geezy]

@ The companions:

Honestly, what percentage of the community plays until level 75+? That's literally hundreds of hours of playing time to get to the point where the skill would no longer be effective. I'll cite the fighter's stun skills- Devastate makes the other stun* obsolete at level 43; Same way it wouldn't matter if multi-shot was obsolete at level 75, it's still win lvls 20-74.

I didn't address the stone thing for two reasons: 1.) I'm focused on PvP mainly, and 2.) with RWC Multi-Shot & Power Shot Archers would be very nearly overpowered in PvE, the check against this is with a low stone count would keep archers from capping in two weeks.

@orchid mantis:

When played right all classes are overpowered in PvE (even clerics), the true test of balance comes when you pit classes against eachother so we're focusing on PvP here. Plus, and this is a huge point: PvP content has the ability to hook clients and keep them playing a game. PvE is fun but gets old quick and doesn't generally get the adrenaline pumping to where someone is willing to bust out hte credit card to "pwn that ****in n00b ><."

And finally, Fighters aren't overpowered (read my first post)- the other classes have been gimped, but not irreversibly. Pushing archers closer to being overpowered like fighters is the same as making the PvP more ballanced.

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Anyways, thanks for the input. more comments, thoughts, ideas?

[themichael]

I love the charm thing.
It seems like archers use the most SP compared to the other classes, and the EVA charm seems a bit to much Seeing as though I couldnt get it (I've gone 7x lvls with No SC) And that most archers would stack them and be untouchable until lvl 85.

But Powershot on the run would be Extremely cheap XD
I mean...thats the strongest skill in the game, and If our Big guns were RWC(I see you've made up another Abbreviation) then Even fighters within 1k of our HP would fall miserebly. As much as I would love to be Overpowered I prefer balance over it.

Multi as a RWC would be cool until lvl 75...then it becomes pointless.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[songisme123]

I wish i could run and cast with multi-shot DX!!!!!!!


It would have been sooo much easier with those 51 levels of agony T.T

XD i agree
im only lvl 38 and waiting till 51 to get natures mist is EVIL! with multishot having no delay thingy lower lvled archers like me would be able to mob and lvl up was quicker :D

but of course natures most is one of the best skills in game so multishot being too good would be pretty rigged

[fireyair]

I'll buy Geezy's idea, so long as PH33RSHO7 is instant cast (RWC) as well.

Yeah, I'm never letting that go. Never.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

You talk big about this PH33RSHO7 But it sounds pretty lame...
Unless its Pwnsome with Uber extra effects.

Back On topic:
Mist is cool alone but I hear kiting gets even easier when You get Peicing Shot at 75.
Then you have 2 AoE DoT RWC attacks.

XD that sounds so... Nerd-ish :D

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

PH33R5HO7 is the ultimate skill. It has a base damage of 13371337-133713337, and causes the opponent to enter trauma. in trauma mode, you cannot move, attack, and your eyes grow exponentially. Any attack the caster of PH33R5HO7 uses while the opponent is in trauma mode, causes Monkeys of 3V1L to appear on the opponent's screen, rendering him incapable of movement.

Yeah, it is 3P1C.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

PH33R5HO7 is the ultimate skill. It has a base damage of 13371337-133713337, and causes the opponent to enter trauma. in trauma mode, you cannot move, attack, and your eyes grow exponentially. Any attack the caster of PH33R5HO7 uses while the opponent is in trauma mode, causes Monkeys of 3V1L to appear on the opponent's screen, rendering him incapable of movement.

Yeah, it is 3P1C.



Peace:cool:

Fnny stuff :p

So its more like a... Deva-Tangle-Utmo-Bil-Inding Shot?
That is "3p1c"

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

~Nyahahahaha.

Join the cult, join it.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

~Nyahahahaha.

Join the cult, join it.



Peace:cool:

~joins cult~

So whats this thing about?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[mayhem7x]

Yes, but don't forget that any archer who kites a fighter in pvp is being "cheap," whereas a fighter who stuns an archer and rolls their face across their keyboard is being "strategic." :rolleyes:

Ugh, I hate that double standard. I was in abyss once, and a fighter reported me for "abusing a glitch." The glitch turned out to be running while attacking and that he couldn't get close enough to attack me. >.<

But back to the subject. I haven't hit lvl 51 yet, but I like multishot, even though its not a rwc skill. Instead of making it a rwc, perhaps an empowerment to decrease cast time?

[fireyair]

~joins cult~

So whats this thing about?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

Worshipping and PH33Ring PH33R5HO7. Trust me, it will pay off.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

Worshipping and PH33Ring PH33R5HO7. Trust me, it will pay off.



Peace:cool:

In gold I hope.
Mike just bought the +9 Bloo xBow and is now Dead Broke.
I mean...since you no longer use your Gold why not pass it on?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

Wait, I just realised you quoted me in your siggy, XD.

As for gold, are you referring to my money?



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

>.< I realized that the hilariarity(made up word) out-weighed the Humility so Mike put it there.

And yes. Your Monies.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

No way, my monies is my monies.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

No way, my monies is my monies.



Peace:cool:

But its all dusty with cob webs on it...

Dont You wanna make your monies happy?

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

My monies are perfectly content, and the cobwebs aren't that bad.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

You should get a face-roller to take care of that.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

*Gets Walti*

Now what?



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

*Gets Walti*

Now what?



Peace:cool:

Chop the Cob webs down with the axe.

I mean...You dont wanna get that stuff on the sexy dex xBow.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

*Tells Walti he's too n00by to cut cobwebs*

That should do it.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

Then whos gonna cutt'em? :(

EDIT: We've manages 2 kill 2 threads tonight >.<

Multi-shot would be a cool SWC skill but that would give Archers 3 AoE RWC skills which would make them even more overpowered in PvE.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

Then whos gonna cutt'em? :(

EDIT: We've manages 2 kill 2 threads tonight >.<

Multi-shot would be a cool SWC skill but that would give Archers 3 AoE RWC skills which would make them even more overpowered in PvP.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

It's okay Mike, archers can withstand a little overpowering at the moment.

As for Power shot instant cast, that's somewhat extreme, even for archers



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

It's okay Mike, archers can withstand a little overpowering at the moment.

As for Power shot instant cast, that's somewhat extreme, even for archers



Peace:cool:

Yep...
That would deffinately bring an uproar of complaints; though I would beat every uncookied fighter I came across by kiting.
Funnny how a cast time on 1-2 skills can completely upset the games balance.

I do wish The skill would cast as soon as the cast time is done. Theres alwats 1 sec lag before the skill is cast.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[fireyair]

I'm guessing you're using a Xbow?

The bows don't give that much trouble usually, but it's mostly lag, so anything can happen.



Peace:cool:

[themichael]

Yes I am a Crossbow user Though that seems highly irrelevant after watching countless fighters, flail their Huge axes around just as easily as they would a 1oz. stick.

[BLUESTAR☼INC.]

[babymaker688]

I wish i could run and cast with multi-shot DX!!!!!!!


It would have been sooo much easier with those 51 levels of agony T.T



31 levels you mean.......
You get it at lvl 20




I'm scared if they made devastate a "Run While Casting" skill...

They should make Invincible RWC too..

[virtueman]

i wish multi shot was RWC but

my solution to the balance is to ban axes in pvp or give all the other classes a supped up third weapon like the archers could get a higher tension XBOW that fires even slower

[EDIT]bucklers for mages and archers (if you don'tt know what bucklers are there sheilds attached to the arm that don't require use of the hand)

[babymaker688]

I hate that rock in the middle of the ogre part of SEG.

I was kiting over 10 weakened ogres and a few harkans and ogres when I got that "this area is not accessible?" on my screen.
>.<
dem 10k exp.

at least I killed like 20 weakened ogres with only 7 hp stones.

[fireyair]

XD.

PWN'd by the game designer.



Peace:cool: