Abyss Confusion

[YoshimaruOrona]

This topic concerns a room occupancy problem that may have occurred with some players.

Before I get to the problem and the example, let's get the two most obvious facts out of the way right now.

~Spot claiming is against the Terms of Service.
~Abyss is a PvP map, therefore, other players can be killed at any time and without justified reason.

Also, I'm graciously requesting that flaming be kept to a minimum and that blacklisting be kept out of this discussion.

I'll give an example of where my concern lies.



Myself (a lv72 archer) and a lv68 mage were duoing in the heart room of the 70 abyss. My mage partner had to relog, and I ran out of HP stones. While he relogged (his relog was a 2-3 min process, idk why), I had left the room, and gone to town to restone. No more than 5 minutes later, I returned to the room to find my mage partner standing still, watching a cleric and archer killing monsters from the room we were using.

You can probably guess where the story goes from here.

They asked us to leave, since nobody was in the room when they came in there.

I tried to plead that he was relogging, and I was restoning. I also mentioned that she (the cleric) should've seen me leaving the room a few minutes ago (I had seen her in the hallway on my way out). She claims not to have seen me, and since I couldn't prove otherwise, I just let that fact go.


What happened after that is more or less irrelevant to the discussion.

The concern is fairly simple. If you find a room that's empty, and a party appears not long afterwards and tries to explain that they couldn't physically be in the room at the time, does that make it "up for grabs" (as the cleric who took our room said it)?

Ironically enough, a similar instance happened approximately 30 minutes after the aforementioned conflict in the last quote.



Myself (still a lv72 archer) and a lv58 cleric went to 60 abyss for a grind session for him. We ended up starting to use the upper right room, and a few minutes after we started, a trio of players showed up. A cleric, a mage, and a fighter. The mage asked us if they could have the spot back, and explained that they all needed to leave temporarily to restone.

Since I was with a cleric, that meant I was dealing all the damage. I couldn't possibly use that upper room to its fullest potential on my own.

That, plus the incident in the quote happened less than a half hour ago. The incident ended with my partner and myself leaving the room. The cleric had a 7x archer friend who bled sparkcash and had t3 or t4 scrolls on, including a concentration scroll. After being chased out of a room and "hunted down", I wasn't exactly in a mood to fight over yet another room.

That being said, the two of us left the room, and moved to the bottom right room. It was much less chaotic, and seemingly more respectful than the previous incident. The mage also told us of a nice kiting area, and said "Thank you" before we left.

The cleric in the previous instance hadn't even said "please" when she asked us to leave.



So, here's where the confusion lies.

Since nobody can tell if someone is lying or not, then is it stupid to give up a room to someone who claims to have been using it only a few minutes ago?

And from the other side of the confusion....

Is it wrong to try and get your room back if someone or another party occupies it while you and your party members are absent (even if it's a brief time frame of, for example, 2 minutes)?

All thoughts are welcome, no matter how small. Just try to avoid flaming, please.

[lenore_lurks]

I've had a very similar thing happen to me.

I went to a room that was un-occupied, and took over. A couple of minutes later 2 people came in saying they went to restone and it was basically their room. I had a shouting match with them for 10 minutes about how, since they left, it was indeed vacant, and I could stay there. They forced me out because I didn't want to deal with death that day, but really THEY left, I came in, it was vacant when I arrived, and I should not have felt that I was in the wrong and had to leave simply because they had to restone.

You leave, for whatever reason, the room is vacant. You cannot spot claim, which means you cannot come back saying that you have a right to be there more than the 'new' person simply because.

If someone is really going to press the point that it is 'their room' (even if they don't say it in those terms, and even if they're lying) then they will pvp and someone will either give in or die. That's what it's about. It is a pvp zone, and if someone wants to fight you for a room, so be it. It is frustrating, but that's what it is.

Some people deal with these situations in a calm, pleasent manner and can be very helpful. Othertimes... it's war. lol.

[darthnish]

lol i have a faster solution, you;re in a room i like , you die

[nasgax]

lol i have a faster solution, you;re in a room i like , you die

oooo, i love that rule, can we apply it please? :D

[irix33]

lol i have a faster solution, you;re in a room i like , you die

Well if I die, you will too, cos I have friends who can kill you. XD

Well just an example, to show that there is no end to it.

IMHO, once a room is vacant, it is up for grabs. If not, there will be no end to claims. "I was here 1 minute ago...I was here yesterday...I was here a year ago...." So when is a reasonable time frame?

Therefore the simplest 'rule' would be if it is vacant, anyone can occupy it.

You should have waited for your friend to relog before going to restone. That's what I usually do, leave someone in the room and take turns to restone.

Of course you can always pk someone for the room but that as i said will cause unnecessary drama like guild wars etc. Better to settle in a civil way.

[maxx_perfect]

This seems to be happening a lot recently, particularly in high level areas.
I almost always find myself walking away from the spot simply to avoid drama.

Abyss however is slightly different, and normally ends up with the most powerful player/party keeping the spot. If you have the manpower to take back a room then do it, otherwise there's not a lot you can do.
Linguistic techniques and manners don't always get you far in the abyss.

Sorry if that made no sense, i'm very tired.

[Miazma]

I have always beleived if I enter a room and it is empty it is mine. If the previous party had wanted to keep the room then they should not have all left at the same time. I dont care if I pass you on the way out and you say *This is my room I am just going to restone*, the room is empty.

If we had to leave a room we always called in guild for someone to please come babysit the room for us :D

[andrey1990]

Lol I have a faster solution,If your in the room that I like, you die

This dude is 100.000.000% right. XD

[Miazma]

lol i have a faster solution, you;re in a room i like , you die


This dude is 100.000.000% right. XD

That dude would want to pray he is stronger than the party I am with. No point being 100.000.000% right when you are dead.

[Tamlinari]

There is no "territory" in the game.
There is no legitimate "place holding" in the game.
There is no claim to spots or spawns or rooms in the game.
It is only a matter of courtesy that most people will abide by what is considered to be right and wrong.
It's a judgment call on the part of the players involved.

The only way it is a reportable offense is if one player continues to harass another over the dispute for a prolonged period of time.

That is and has always been my understanding of the policy.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[spiritua_reborn]

The fact that someone else is in the room you want doesn't justify waltzing up and killing them. They were there first and killing them is just being a poor sport and a noob. Just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD. If you're walking through the grocery store and someone takes the box of cereal that you want, do you go and kill them too?

[kouturoq]

lol i have a faster solution, you;re in a room i like , you die

lol.. I lived by that rule when Abyss was still pretty new. >.>
Duo killing parties at a time was fun <3
They eventually learned to leave us alone and stay away from the room we were grinding in or w/e. >.>

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I've heard things from people like, "We just went to restone for 5mins, gtfo out of our room!" yet we [my party] had been in that room for the past 3 hours, going 1 by 1 to restone when we needed to... Abyss is just far too annoying now to even bother going in it. Drama, wars, waste of money and time, etc etc. *Edit* Well, that and 8x Abyss sucks. Period. XD

[andrey1990]

that dude would want to pray he is stronger than the party i am with. No point being 100.000% right when you are dead.

100.000.000%*

[yourmojo]

If I started training and someone came outa nowhere claiming they were training there I would probably take their word for it. If you manage to get up to the high 60s or more then you do earn a sort of respect among other players. Statistically speaking, the higher level players tend to be the more mature players...Less likely to be pulling your leg to get a free spot.

If however it was some random level 30-40 I probably would ask to either share the area or ask them to find a new spot.

Call me prejudice, but you all know it's true.

[southyp]

This kind of thing happens all the time. In 5x abyss, I was duoing on my cleric with a mage friend and about 15 minutes after we were underway, a bunch of 5xes came in, claimed it was their room because they were there "way earlier" and were supposedly training there all day and then started trying to kill us. Go figure.

If a room is open, in my book, it's technically fair game. Though if the party comes back shortly after I start and nicely says that they were just going to restone, and if there are other good spots in abyss to grind, I'll go quietly. But if they treat me rudely or if abyss is completely packed, then I'll be less likely to leave. And if they try to pk me, well, no mercy. There are also those rooms where some parties who claim the whole thing can't even take pulling the whole thing (like in the library room in 60 abyss), in which case, I think it's ridiculous for them to claim the whole thing while they can't even use it all. So I guess it's a situational thing. Most people treat me nicely because I'm known for being fair, so if I take a spot that they were grinding at, they might even leave willingly. It's rarely a problem on my fighter but more of an issue on my cleric, who I do not play as much and people are not very familiar with me.

As for higher levels having more respect... well, I'd say that peoples' opinion of you tends to form and solidify. There are some, like my fighter, who have a pretty clean abyss pking record since I never pk in abyss for fun or for a spot. And then there are others that are higher level and have become known as pkers and are treated with disgust by some. So I think it's the fact that there are less higher level players so everybody knows each other a little better and knows who the respectable players are. But I definitely notice a difference in respect when I play on my fighter versus cleric because their levels are so different.

[heavylove]

If I started training and someone came outa nowhere claiming they were training there I would probably take their word for it. If you manage to get up to the high 60s or more then you do earn a sort of respect among other players. Statistically speaking, the higher level players tend to be the more mature players...Less likely to be pulling your leg to get a free spot.

If however it was some random level 30-40 I probably would ask to either share the area or ask them to find a new spot.

Call me prejudice, but you all know it's true.

Not only will I call you prejudice, but I will call you wrong :D There are plenty of high level people who will lie to get what they want. Especially nowadays with how easy it is to level in fiesta (1-3x in 2-3 days, doing only quests, no extra grinding necessary...academy dungeon warps...etc), there are plenty of high level noobs. In fact, I find that once people reach these levels, they almost feel as though they are justified in spot claiming, ksing and other actions like this.

But on topic, spot claiming is not against the rules in the abyss. There is a reason why you can kill people in there, and it is so that you can CLAIM your right to grind there.

If you need to restone, and your party has left the room, it is no longer yours to grind in. If you go afk and another party comes in and takes the room while you are afk, you have lost the room. Heck, you could be in the room, not afk, and lose the room. The only way to gain and keep control of a room in the abyss is by pvp, so be prepared for it.

[darthnish]

That dude would want to pray he is stronger than the party I am with. No point being 100.000.000% right when you are dead.

i'm most certainly am, if i;m not i charm <3

[YoshimaruOrona]

lol i have a faster solution, you;re in a room i like , you die

"faster"?

Unless everyone's a pushover, I strongly doubt it's faster. In the first instance I mentioned, myself and the mage ended up needing to kill the two that took our room. However, they recruited another archer (mentioned in the second quote), and another cleric after they died, and basically, the archer just critted us senseless.

Killing the people who are in the room you like could be a faster solution, or it could just cause your grinding session in abyss to end. Some people don't give up easily after being PK'ed. (In fact, it's a cause for many guild wars.)


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The claim that higher level players deserve more respect isn't entirely true, but isn't entirely false.

My first example took place in 70 abyss, correct? That was an encounter that I'm sure could've been settled in some alternative manner rather than having a fight to see who "owns" the room.

The second example took place in 60 abyss. Yet, it was dealt with much more professionally than in the instance in the 70 abyss (maybe it was simply because I decided to leave).

It just shows an inconsistency I found once. I'm sure there's other examples of high leveled players lying just to make the game more convenient for them, but I'm tired and in no mood to recall such events right now.


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But on topic, spot claiming is not against the rules in the abyss. There is a reason why you can kill people in there, and it is so that you can CLAIM your right to grind there.


So if one person is frequently killed by, for example, a party of five... does that mean the person being hunted down and killed over and over again has no right to be in the abyss? Even if he/she is of the appropriate level range?

If you can defend yourself, fine.
If you can kill others, fine.

But the PvP aspect of abyss cannot only exist just for the sake of taking and losing rooms. I would say it's more of a convenience for the good PvPers than it is to be an intentional design. I think abyss was created more as a godsend for people who love to PK, PKK, and duel. It gives them something new-ish to do, and there's a level range to prevent huge level gaps.

Then again, I can't entirely prove it. I don't work for OutSpark or OnsOnSoft.

[Miazma]

i'm most certainly am, if i;m not i charm <3

OH I am sorry, my apologies, of course you are the only one able to charm :D

[boo18white]

Fighting over a big room in 6x abyss is just really kinda dumb. The big rooms are big enough and have enough mobs to accomidate 2 full parties; but people like to be selfish brats and have the whole room to their party rather than be civilized enough to share the room.

7x abyss is a horse of a different color. Every single room in 7x abyss kinda sucks(some more than others) cuz there just isnt enough mobs there. The way I see it no matter where you are if you and your party leave you forefit the spot and then it becomes fair game for any player(s) to grind in.

And last I read spot claiming in any map is a bannable offence.

[samuraimandc]

Spot or mob claiming is against ToS no matter what map your on even if its abyss. ( only way to claim a mob is to actualy do dmg to it :D )

[Madcharo]

My basic thoughts:

-Abyss is PvP for a reason
-If a room is empty, take it
-If you can't defend yourself enough to keep a room, you don't deserve it
-Survival of the fittest applies here
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Read on for extended thoughts. ;D

Ok. Don't mind me if I begin to ramble on about things. I've been know to type out everything that comes to mind on these topics. >.<"

I'll start off by noting that the abyss is a PvP area for a reason. The monsters have higher exp and drop rates than normal monsters and there's a much higher population density in most of them. (Level 5x and 6x abyss mostly) This, however, comes at a price. These great places to train have limited space for the amount of people who want to be there which innevitably leads to conflict.

As humans, it is in our nature to compete for what we feel we need. In this case, the thing we need is exp to level up our characters. (Yes, I realize this sounds dumb but we are suppressing our natural instincts in reality so they have to come out somewhere)

Now, I'd like to mention a few things that may shock some of you :O

Spot claiming: I believe that the devs pretty much intended there to be EXTENSIVE spot claiming in here, otherwise they wouldn't have made it so small and such a great spot to train.

Wars that arise from conflict in abyss: I'm pretty sure it's against the rules to war someone because they did something to you in abyss. Warring for revenge is against the rules. (Not sure if that's that's in the ToS but I know it's against the rules)


Statistically speaking, the higher level players tend to be the more mature players
I dunno. I've met my share of immature level 80+ characters. Now, I'm not pointing any fingers but his name starts the same as McDonalds and ends with a word sounding like "Sly". But then again, that could be anyone. :rolleyes:


Spot or mob claiming is against ToS no matter what map your on even if its abyss. ( only way to claim a mob is to actualy do dmg to it :D )

I don't remember which one but I think I recall a GM saying that certain rules were suspended in the Abyss, spot claiming being one of them.

[gibson82650]

OMFG i cant belive how mean and rude you ppl are AND PPL wonder why players leave fiesta its drama starters like darthnish that cuase sooo many problems dont be a total **** god wth is your problem man theres plenty more rooms just share yad ont have to bring your crappy trailer trash life into the games problems ><

[Teck_O]

If the room is occupied when you return from restoning or reloging to bad. I am not saying take your so called room by force, thats selfish and other things I will not get into. What I am saying is if your bigger then the ones currently in the room, feel free to do your best to get the room back. First start by tring to convince them the room was yours, if they dont listen to your proposal thats their own fault. In that case make them leave by showing them no kinds of mercey. Fair warned, usually by takeing rooms the end result is a Guild War. I've been playing Fiesta for quite a wile and have come accrose this same issue many times. Its only avoidable if you let it go and find a diffrent room. Before engaging in any physical confrence, its better to show your fellow players you mean well and show respect. Let them have the room and in favor you may gain friends and more curtiosey for others rather then your own self greed to level. I wish I knew this when I first started, it would have saved me a great deal of Guild Wars that werent nessasary. Not to mention the friends that I lost when we had to Guild War, it wasted their time helping me take a stand for something useless (like trying to get my room back). Take my words as a lesson and warning rather then nonsince.

[lenore_lurks]

OMFG i cant belive how mean and rude you ppl are AND PPL wonder why players leave fiesta its drama starters like darthnish that cuase sooo many problems dont be a total **** god wth is your problem man theres plenty more rooms just share yad ont have to bring your crappy trailer trash life into the games problems ><

LOL

Omg. He was just speaking his opinion, which plenty of people agree with. If he's more blunt than others, so be it. Please don't flame him like this, it's really inapproriate. He isn't a starter of anything. lol.

Can you add something a bit more constructive next time? Thanks.

[stormyxone]

I dunno. I've met my share of immature level 80+ characters. Now, I'm not pointing any fingers but his name starts the same as McDonalds and ends with a word sounding like "Sly". But then again, that could be anyone. :rolleyes:



You just made me choke on my water. :p

I've had many people tell me that they're not jerks for pking in abyss, that they just come there to pvp. Actually, they come to abyss to cause drama; if they ONLY wanted to pvp, they'd be in fbz.

As far as claiming what appears to be an empty room in abyss...I have to agree that if you leave, you're relying on luck. Hopefully, when your party gets back, it's still empty. If not, move on. If you're on the other end of it, and have a party come back to claim what was an empty room when you got there, they should do the same. Most of the abysses have plenty of room for everyone.

That being said, it's pvp enabled. If someone wants your room bad enough to fight you for it, that's fair too. It just isn't nice.

[cercia]

Fighting over a big room in 6x abyss is just really kinda dumb. The big rooms are big enough and have enough mobs to accomidate 2 full parties; but people like to be selfish brats and have the whole room to their party rather than be civilized enough to share the room.

Umm...I beg to differ on this one.

At level 67, my cleric and her mage wife could duo the largest room. We'd take half of it at once, kill the mobs, pick up all drops, then take the other half without resting. There were a few instances where we'd actually have to wait for the mobs to respawn, because the numbers she killed were so high.

We did have someone come in and try to take some of the mobs, attempting to power level a cleric friend. There was a 5x or 6x fighter, a 6x cleric, and the 4x cleric who was being leveled. We asked them politely to leave, as we didn't want to accidentally kill them as we ran past them. The fighter said no, and proceeded to be a jerk. We killed the whole party, and resumed mobbing the room.

Now, this has a happier ending than it sounds like, because the two clerics were apologetic for the fighter being a jerk, and we partied with them to help, so most of the bad feelings were averted.

Did we spot claim? Kinda sorta. But, at the same time, here's where the no spot claim rule came from:

Early on, when grinding spots were limited, guild wars would break out over stupid areas. Back then, GWs could be waged outside of town, interrupting one's grinding. So, you have a guild warring over "their Trumpy spot," day in and day out. To fix this, OS says, "No spot claiming." I don't recall the abyss being around then.

[borednl]

Fighting for rooms in abyss has a problem..

It isn't actually "survival of the fittest." It's more like "Survival of whoever can spend the most SparkCash." It doesn't make a person's character good to press a cheat button, so why does it make the character good if they press a button obtained using cash?

Since Spark Cash trumps any gears, no matter how godly, civility is in order in abyss, otherwise everyone just spends money for cheats and it detracts from the game. Civility doesn't detract from the game.

Spot claiming is dumb though. If you've been in the room long enough to use up all your stones, then you've been there for a while. Maybe the other party deserves some abyss time too?

[A_geezy]

1.) It's not stupid to give up your room to someone who claims to have been there a few minutes before, just incredibly naive. You may think you're being nice and all, but really-- (I'm just guessing here) you're probably not here to accommodate others as best you can (that's the GMs' job).

2.) Depends on where your sense of camaraderie lies- are you trying to accommodate others by sacrificing you're own playing privileges? Or are you trying to spend your real life free time playing your avatar where and how you want?

[Nephron]

numbers don't have more than one decimal point.

Actually, I believe they can. As I understand it, in some countries, decimal points are used instead of commas, and vice versa. For instance:

1,500,000.25 = 1.500.000,25


That aside, if I were you, I wouldn't tell others to mind their spelling and grammar. Your own posts are generously sprinkled with errors.

[borednl]

The fittest will survive; find someone to send you gifts and proceed from there.

I'm all with you bored- CS goodies that augment stats are incredibly ridiculous, but you play with what you got.


I would never ask a friend for spark cash. I don't think asking everyone for free stuff is right, nor should I have to.

[sakone]

what i do is i try to work it out (like we would just not confront each other and just ignore any mobs on them or wat ever)

if we can't get any deal down...i useally just challenge them to a pvp match and whoever wins gets the room or spot

and if tehy keep on comeing back to "challenge" us we just keep killing them or die trying

yes this takes alot of pots and hp stones alot of times =P

[kouturoq]

WRITE BIGGER HO ><

<3 Laz
Get bent.

1. Don't call me a ho. I am no prostitute. Kthx.
2. I can write in whatever sized font I want - there are no rules against it. Not my fault if your eyes suck && you need glasses.
3. Totally irrelevant to the topic. Kindly get your head out of your bottom and/or get off your high horse.

You are rather rude, not only to me for my choice of font size, but to others due to their slightly~moderately poor grammar/spelling -- guess what, not everyone's mother tongue is English. Ever thought of that genius? Get over yourself.
Good day~
</3 Kou.

I agree with Bored on the cash shop point. That really is what PvP is all about now - who is willing and able to spend the most money on the cash shop in order to win.
You don't need skill when you can purchase that pretty cheat button.

[YoshimaruOrona]

1.) It's not stupid to give up your room to someone who claims to have been there a few minutes before, just incredibly naive. You may think you're being nice and all, but really-- (I'm just guessing here) you're probably not here to accommodate others as best you can (that's the GMs' job).

2.) Depends on where your sense of camaraderie lies- are you trying to accommodate others by sacrificing you're own playing privileges? Or are you trying to spend your real life free time playing your avatar where and how you want?

No, I don't try to accommodate for everybody (I don't think anybody on this game does that). I like to see people getting along, but I'd like to play the game myself, rather than just be a spot baby-sitter for everyone else.

I brought this topic up because I myself am a little confused on what's "right" versus what's "wrong" (yeah, I know, 'ethics on the internet? gtfo').

Anyway, I want to play the game, but I don't like having to shorthand others and having to treat people like dirt in order to do it. Will I do it? Yes, if I have to, but I'd rather not.

That's why I asked "Is it stupid to give up the room?" 3 people approach me, and (in a polite manner) claim to have needed to leave to restone. Well, it's not as if one person came up to me and said "This is my room, gtfo." That's deserves an obvious "Er, no, you lost the room, kbai" response. On top of which, I was outnumbered. If they decided to go for the PK, it would've probably been an easy kill.

I also asked if it was wrong to try and get a room back, mostly because the idea of losing a room due to a need to restone bugs the hell out of me. I know it's "how the game goes" but still, I'm personally irritated that a 2-minute trip that's badly timed can cause me (or anyone else, for that matter) to lose a grinding area in which I had been using.


@borednl: Sharing is caring, eh? Could work, if only everybody lived by that concept...

[neerk]

Simple no one owns a room whether its occupied or not if someone feels they wish to take over that room because they can it's their choice to try and do so, then becomes a pvp match, most people are curtious and find a room and if is occupied leave and find another but if they choice not to its their choice to fight whether you like it or not.

[gibson82650]

LOL

Omg. He was just speaking his opinion, which plenty of people agree with. If he's more blunt than others, so be it. Please don't flame him like this, it's really inapproriate. He isn't a starter of anything. lol.

Can you add something a bit more constructive next time? Thanks.

im not mean but thers a person in spicificness im talkgin about which shall remain nameless cuase its black listing and im not going thorugh that just cant stind him =/ its just rude to do that to a person >< THERES NO REASON FOR IT

[darthnish]

OMFG i cant belive how mean and rude you ppl are AND PPL wonder why players leave fiesta its drama starters like darthnish that cuase sooo many problems dont be a total **** god wth is your problem man theres plenty more rooms just share yad ont have to bring your crappy trailer trash life into the games problems ><

dude yes i kill people in the abyss, its like awesome stress relief for me, i love it when they fight back :D makes the whole thing more fun. I was being blunt and to the point, if you are in a room i want you will die.

[Tamlinari]

dude yes i kill people in the abyss, its like awesome stress relief for me, i love it when they fight back :D makes the whole thing more fun. I was being blunt and to the point, if you are in a room i want you will die.

And I will be compelled to return multiple times to purge every buff and scroll you have as well as drain all of your SP and cast Mind Drain on you when you try to chase me.

I will never attack anyone who doesn't attack me first but I can definitely make the gaming experience of those who do kill me a lot less enjoyable.

[gibson82650]

dude yes i kill people in the abyss, its like awesome stress relief for me, i love it when they fight back :D makes the whole thing more fun. I was being blunt and to the point, if you are in a room i want you will die.

wasnt talking abotu YOU either but find a diffrent stres relife cause your stres relief is other ppls stress adn its a game we dont need this so dont do that go metitate or soemthing take a break if ya get angry >.> dont have to make other ppl suffer rite?

[fireyair]

dude yes i kill people in the abyss, its like awesome stress relief for me, i love it when they fight back :D makes the whole thing more fun. I was being blunt and to the point, if you are in a room i want you will die.

Luls

I love it when Ewo gets tough. Everybody ruuun!



Peace:cool:

[darthnish]

And I will be compelled to return multiple times to purge every buff and scroll you have as well as drain all of your SP and cast Mind Drain on you when you try to chase me.

I will never attack anyone who doesn't attack me first but I can definitely make the gaming experience of those who do kill me a lot less enjoyable.

not really i absolutely love that, and i dont use scrolls, chamrs a ftw <3


wasnt talking abotu YOU either but find a diffrent stres relife cause your stres relief is other ppls stress adn its a game we dont need this so dont do that go metitate or soemthing take a break if ya get angry >.> dont have to make other ppl suffer rite?

you have no clue how much fun it is :P

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not really i absolutely love that, and i dont use scrolls, chamrs a ftw <3



you have no clue how much fun it is :P

yea i do lol i kill pkers and its fun and also its helpign ppl its a win win