Hellgaits have stats?

[Aeriex]

So Apoline raided shortly after maintence let up today, and we found out something pretty sweet ~
Hellgaits now have stats.


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/Fiesta/Staff.jpg http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/Fiesta/Shield.jpg


So what happens to those of us whose Hellgaits have no stats? Are we SOL?


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/Fiesta/macenostats.jpg

If stats are not added to the current Hellgaits you're going to have a lot of angry people OS. Several people have +9ed their drops or enhanced them to some extent, so what happens to us? All of our time and money, in game and out, will have been to waste then-- to an extent, a Hellgait is still a Hellgait yes, but what is an equip with max END or SPR or anything else compared to one without stats? There is none. So what's the plan OS~?

[joecracker]

Sweet.........

[kij024]

It means Mr.Noble is better than Mr.Bean.

[Bonthra]

April Fool's? O.o

[kij024]

She photshopped those!

[GM_Pilkysico]

We're aware of the "change" and looking into it now.

Thanks for the heads up.

[andrey1990]

They arent photoshoped..

[kij024]

The "change" should have happened before they released Helga. :(

[kij024]

They arent photoshoped..

They were photopainted. x]

[boo18white]

helgaits dont need stats they are godly enough as it is.

[borednl]

Outspark and OnsOnSoft need to learn how to implement changes in items and the economy..

Helgaits never should've been released to begin with..

[andrey1990]

They were photopainted. x]

I think they arent >.> I saved one pic in my PC and looked at max zoom, didnt saw anything edited

[spookyiness]

they aren't (photoshopped) , cause i got one (statted helgait) too

[Madcharo]

Just be happy you have a Hellgait at all? o-o"

Also, no it isn't edited in any way. I saw one with my own eyes on Epith. (Bobbi's in the post above mine. Lol.)

[GM_Pilkysico]

Outspark and OnsOnSoft need to learn how to implement changes in items and the economy..

Helgaits never should've been released to begin with..

Funny you should say, level 90+ items were wiped a few times. User complaints that they were wiped.

Helga was not intended to be so easily defeated during this level cap.

[Bonthra]

They're not Photoshopped. I was half-joking, half-excited when I said that. ^^;

[Chaola]

Maybe without the charms and cookies stacking (+70% in damage and def) it wouldn't be so easy...

[GM_Pilkysico]

Maybe without the charms and cookies stacking (+70% in damage and def) it wouldn't be so easy...

From what I've seen, it's the uber l33tness of the HP Magic Potions.

[spookyiness]

maybe it's just cause we're all so much more awesome than you thought we'd be :>

[kij024]

I think they arent >.> I saved one pic in my PC and looked at max zoom, didnt saw anything edited
Yes, they were. Ask her. She used Paint to crop those screenshots. :P

April Fool's Day~! Muahaah! <3


Funny you should say, level 90+ items were wiped a few times. User complaints that they were wiped.

Helga was not intended to be so easily defeated during this level cap.
Isn't that a good thing?

[GM_Pilkysico]

No lol. Now I have to "correct" the problem again.

[numot]

stats...woohooo....marginal and insignificant bonus when held against the sheer DMG capabilities they have already.



P.S. yesh im quitted but i decided to morph into troll

[spookyiness]

No lol. Now I have to "correct" the problem again.

just as long as that correction doesn't mean it disappears from my inventory :-(

[numot]

Correct some AIM on Some weapons... *cough* BK(all) *cough*

[Chaola]

From what I've seen, it's the uber l33tness of the HP Magic Potions.

Before the 20% charms went out, each successful raids were the whole server ones...

After, a group of 20 people can own Helga...

Wow, those pots are awesome.

[mentics]

>.> the highest stat on helga weapon is 60.

@.@ hela weapon is lvl91. thats an uber stat for a lvl 91 wepon.

[Chaola]

>.> the highest stat on helga weapon is 60.

@.@ hela weapon is lvl91. thats an uber stat for a lvl 91 wepon.

Helga is a 120 boss.

OS made Helgaits level 91 for players to be able to use them sooner ._.

[DF001]

What a stupid day

[DincaTinel]

and how about the cleric wepons bug the helga inversed critical rate wil be repaired even in this helga mace pic u can see the critical is buged inversed with the hamer


So Apoline raided shortly after maintence let up today, and we found out something pretty sweet ~
Hellgaits now have stats.


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/Staff.jpg http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/Shield.jpg


So what happens to those of us whose Hellgaits have no stats? Are we SOL?


http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/macenostats.jpg

If stats are not added to the current Hellgaits you're going to have a lot of angry people OS. Several people have +9ed their drops or enhanced them to some extent, so what happens to us? All of our time and money, in game and out, will have been to waste then-- to an extent, a Hellgait is still a Hellgait yes, but what is an equip with max END or SPR or anything else compared to one without stats? There is none. So what's the plan OS~?

[Madcharo]

*cough* Make Helga harder *cough*

-Disable certain items in Helga's Tomb. (Magic Pots for example)

-Increase his defense (By a lot) so that he doesn't die so fast. At the moment, he dies in like 10 minutes. Is that the epic battle with the world boss you were hoping for? I'd say 1 hour+ would be more fitting.

-Increase his Dmg. This may seem unthinkable but if Helga can't beat level 89's, there's no way he'll be able to stand up to level 120's. (Helga's level) If he really is a world boss, I expect him to be hard even when you're PAST his level.

-Make more Kallaps/Guardians but maybe decrease their dmg slightly. Less mobs dealing less dmg is harder than more mobs dealing more.

-Overall, decrease the drop rate of Hellgait gears. These are the most epic gears in the game. We don't want everyone and their mother to have a collection going.

-Increase the spawn time for Helga. It used to be 1 week. Now it's 1 day? That's just plain insane. (In the idiodic kind of way)

Anyway, I stand by my hypothesis that the game is perfectly balanced when you subtract the Cash Shop from the equation. Without Spark Cash, we wouldn't even be able to take a hit from Helga yet.

I say OutSpark needs to make a server where Spark Cash can not be used. A "Forced F2P Server" for lack of a better term, where those of us who enjoy the game as a challenging adventure can go to get away from those egomaniacs who eat, sleep, dream and bleed Spark Cash.

[SweaterMittens]

*cough* Make Helga harder *cough*

-Disable certain items in Helga's Tomb. (Magic Pots for example)

-Increase his defense (By a lot) so that he doesn't die so fast. At the moment, he dies in like 10 minutes. Is that the epic battle with the world boss you were hoping for? I'd say 1 hour+ would be more fitting.

-Increase his Dmg. This may seem unthinkable but if Helga can't beat level 89's, there's no way he'll be able to stand up to level 120's. (Helga's level) If he really is a world boss, I expect him to be hard even when you're PAST his level.

-Make more Kallaps/Guardians but maybe decrease their dmg slightly. Less mobs dealing less dmg is harder than more mobs dealing more.

-Overall, decrease the drop rate of Hellgait gears. These are the most epic gears in the game. We don't want everyone and their mother to have a collection going.

-Increase the spawn time for Helga. It used to be 1 week. Now it's 1 day? That's just plain insane. (In the idiodic kind of way)

Anyway, I stand by my hypothesis that the game is perfectly balanced when you subtract the Cash Shop from the equation. :|

The only reason Helga spawns every 24 hours now is because OS saw how much money they were making from one week raids.


Funny you should say, level 90+ items were wiped a few times. User complaints that they were wiped.

Helga was not intended to be so easily defeated during this level cap.

If helga wasn't intended to be so easily defeated why did the re-spawn change?
I think being able to stack charms, and use mighty potions with the addition of 200ksc pots, it seems like it was intended to be so easily defeated. And knowing that people will waste tons of money on weekly raids, the OS staff took advantage of that and made the re-spawn time change, which means more monies for them. ;3

[sbr666]

Just let Helga use SC items too (extender-70% cookie-CS pots)...Kthnxbai

(Just confirm if the statted weps are bugged or notˇˇ)

[Madcharo]

The only reason Helga spawns every 24 hours now is because OS saw how much money they were making from one week raids.

Yeah. I understand this. You can't blame them for taking the opportunity when it's handed to them on a silver platter. I just think they acted on impulse here and didn't think it through as much as they should have.


Just let Helga use SC items too (extender-70% cookie-CS pots)...Kthnxbai

(Just confirm if the statted weps are bugged or notˇˇ)

Lol. Helga with SC.

"GUYS! HE'S ALMOST DEAD!!!"
"WOOOOOO!!!"
*SC pot*
"NUUUUUUUU!! Dx"

[joecracker]

i wish they would just up the lvl limit of the weapons

talk about game balance ;)

[WinterClown]

*cough* Make Helga harder *cough*

-Disable certain items in Helga's Tomb. (Magic Pots for example)

-Increase his defense (By a lot) so that he doesn't die so fast. At the moment, he dies in like 10 minutes. Is that the epic battle with the world boss you were hoping for? I'd say 1 hour+ would be more fitting.

-Increase his Dmg. This may seem unthinkable but if Helga can't beat level 89's, there's no way he'll be able to stand up to level 120's. (Helga's level) If he really is a world boss, I expect him to be hard even when you're PAST his level.

-Make more Kallaps/Guardians but maybe decrease their dmg slightly. Less mobs dealing less dmg is harder than more mobs dealing more.
-Overall, decrease the drop rate of Hellgait gears. These are the most epic gears in the game. We don't want everyone and their mother to have a collection going.

-Increase the spawn time for Helga. It used to be 1 week. Now it's 1 day? That's just plain insane. (In the idiodic kind of way)

Anyway, I stand by my hypothesis that the game is perfectly balanced when you subtract the Cash Shop from the equation. Without Spark Cash, we wouldn't even be able to take a hit from Helga yet.

I say OutSpark needs to make a server where Spark Cash can not be used. A "Forced F2P Server" for lack of a better term, where those of us who enjoy the game as a challenging adventure can go to get away from those egomaniacs who eat, sleep, dream and bleed Spark Cash.

Really? D:

[joecracker]

these weapons make the game so un balanced its a joke

aim dmg is no where near what should be allowed


do i have a hell weapon nope

but again these will make the game so unbalanced its not even funny

[SweaterMittens]

these weapons make the game so un balanced its a joke

aim dmg is no where near what should be allowed


do i have a hell weapon nope

but again these will make the game so unbalanced its not even funny

tehehe they should just remove DEX from the game :P

[joecracker]

or make the helga 2 week spawn time ;) but then again they would lose real money which is in the end the goal of all this (they need to make money i understand that etc etc)

but hey, i just think this is going make this game even more unbalanced

[borednl]

The Fiesta business spiral.. err I mean cycle:

1. Introduce another event or drop, which requires heavy usage of Spark Cash but which also gives heavy spark cash users an insane advantage over everyone else
2. Make a little money from the splurge
3. Hundreds of people become disgruntled and quit when they realize how imbalanced it has made the game and how worthless their items are rapidly becoming
4. Dependable revenues from moderate sparkcash spenders reduces greatly
5. Repeat steps 1-5 indefinitely till nobody is left playing and/or Outspark can't afford it's monthly server bill.


Fiesta will not survive if they don't make the game attractive to it's middle-class players.

The focus should be on balance, interesting game features, good events, and on keeping their finger on the wants and needs of the community, not on what short-term ways they can periodically boost spark cash sales. The reason why is that a fun game attracts players who will then willingly spend money on the game to support it. If outspark panders to only the egomaniacal players, then everyone else quits.. and then the egomaniacal players quit too because there's nobody left to show off to.

Edit: You know why I complain? It's because I don't want to see Outspark to fail.

[spookyiness]

The Fiesta business spiral.. err I mean cycle:

1. Introduce another event or drop, which requires heavy usage of Spark Cash but which also gives heavy spark cash users an insane advantage over everyone else
2. Make a little money from the splurge
3. Hundreds of people become disgruntled and quit when they realize how imbalanced it has made the game and how worthless their items are rapidly becoming
4. Dependable revenues from moderate sparkcash spenders reduces greatly
5. Repeat steps 1-5 indefinitely till nobody is left playing.

and yet, everyone whines the servers are overpopulated and getting moreso and they need new servers...

i'm confident for every crybaby that leaves the game for all the wrong reasons, we get 5 new players to take their place.

and yes, i know a lot of people have genuine reasons for leaving, but because someone has a better potato than they do is a crybaby reason, i'm sorry to say

it's a business, servers don't pay for themselves, there isn't a single person who plays this game that wouldn't cash in on every opporunity in the game if it meant they got a higher paycheque at the end of the day, so quit whining that people who spend a fortune on sc get the 'better' stuff (which they don't), or are unbeatable in pvp or whatever - they keep it free for the rest of us.

all my sc goes to making me look pretty - i never enhance my skills and stats with charms and such (cept that batch i was gifted and that was only so i could solo dragons tomb as an experiement), yet i got a helgait cause i was in the right place at the right time - i've never touched him with my hammer though, unless you count him smacking it with his sword as he kills me.

[borednl]

tehehe they should just remove DEX from the game :P

Maybe they should just remove the "playing" part and skip to whoever spends the most on the game.

Player 1: "I spent $500"

Player 2: "Oh, I only spent $300.. I guess you win.."

Player 1: "Yes, I am so great!"

Player 2: "This is retarded, shouldn't games be about skill?"

Player 3: "oh my gosh why are you whining! don't whine! Why are you whining! like omg!"

Player 2: "..."

[Madcharo]

Really? D:

Oops. What I meant to say there was more mobs dealing less dmg is harder than less mobs dealing more. >.<

'Tis what I get for staying up all night. Lol.

[borednl]

and yet, everyone whines the servers are overpopulated and getting moreso and they need new servers...

i'm confident for every crybaby that leaves the game for all the wrong reasons, we get 5 new players to take their place.

and yes, i know a lot of people have genuine reasons for leaving, but because someone has a better potato than they do is a crybaby reason, i'm sorry to say

it's a business, servers don't pay for themselves, there isn't a single person who plays this game that wouldn't cash in on every opporunity in the game if it meant they got a higher paycheque at the end of the day, so quit whining that people who spend a fortune on sc get the 'better' stuff (which they don't), or are unbeatable in pvp or whatever - they keep it free for the rest of us.

all my sc goes to making me look pretty - i never enhance my skills and stats with charms and such (cept that batch i was gifted and that was only so i could solo dragons tomb as an experiement), yet i got a helgait cause i was in the right place at the right time - i've never touched him with my hammer though, unless you count him smacking it with his sword as he kills me.

And you would be "Player 3"

[Chaola]

Maybe they should just remove the "playing" part and skip to whoever spends the most on the game.

Player 1: "I spent $500"

Player 2: "Oh, I only spent $300.. I guess you win.."

Player 1: "Yes, I am so great!"

Player 2: "This is retarded, shouldn't games be about skill?"

Player 3: "oh my gosh why are you whining! don't whine! Why are you whining! like omg!"

Player 2: "..."

ROFL so true :D

[Chewy]

The only thing I really have a problem with is as stated, the aim on these, it pretty much negates dex even being needed, and its with most of the 85+ weaps so I'm not just ranting about hellgait weapons, maybe something could be changed with dex to make it more effective at higher levels *honestly has no idea how though atm*. The damage...well sure it's staggeringly high in comparison to the others (especially axe) but remember they are from a mob that has like 30ish levels on us, so originally yeah this was a fair exchange. Now that 2 new hellgaits are being brought to existence each day...maybe the spawn time should be set back to a few days. Just my opinion instead of just saying "THIS SUCK!" or something lmao

Anyway lets get back on topic instead of ranting, wow +57 int lmao, I wonder what the stat cap is for these o:

[nasgax]

April Fool's? O.o

HAHA. xD Nice joke OS... *waits for another maint on apr2 to take off this update*


helgaits dont need stats they are godly enough as it is.

agree, and here I thought the dmg+aim was good enough for a originally lv120 boss wpn being lv91 instead ... imagine a 91 hg bow with 60 dex... *cries* or fighter 1h + shield both with 60 end.... 120 end.... from 2 lv91 gears....


From what I've seen, it's the uber l33tness of the HP Magic Potions.

Then create a 'cool down' for them? >.>


"GUYS! HE'S ALMOST DEAD!!!"
"WOOOOOO!!!"
*SC pot*
"NUUUUUUUU!! Dx"


LOOOOOOOOOOOL LMAOOOO


[...]
Anyway lets get back on topic instead of ranting, wow +57 int lmao, I wonder what the stat cap is for these o:

<-- because the wpns are suppose to be lv120, the stats are 60 max. which is hella strong for a lv91 weapon..... *dreams of owning a 60 end hellgait shield*

[kouturoq]

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g271/elynsysnos/hellgaitstaff9.png
See that +9? Yea RL money was used for that [no way].

Silky. Stats nao pl0x.
OR simply remove the stats from these new Hellgaits, since people like crying so much 'cause they can't get one yet. "liek zamgaaad 2 ovapowah'd dun nid mo statz"

*edit*


"GUYS! HE'S ALMOST DEAD!!!"
"WOOOOOO!!!"
*SC pot*
"NUUUUUUUU!! Dx"
...lmfao

*editedit*
Wow... didn't realise it was April today. -___-;
Joy.

[ajayyyy]

April Fool's? O.o



LMAO HAHAHA xD

[smemmo]

O.O Wooooooooosh wow. xD

[CHGkillertime]

MMMMMMMM helgate shield and 1h with 60 spr and 60 end each mmmmmmmmmmmm make me want to cry hehehe hope the eather add stats to the helgates out or take them a way form the new one couse if the just add to the people will wine booohooo +9ed a shield and you gave it +1 int like i would have never +9 that O_O so i dont know what eles to do but make them stats less or refund the people that +9 white helgates.

[alcatraz2k0]

I think that most likely Helgait weapons with stats are a glitch or at least I am hoping they are. It has already been mentioned that Helgait weapons are uber just from their base stats alone, so adding additional stats like END, SPR and DEX would cause a serious imbalance in the game.

I had already outlined in a previous post the way to survive Helgait attacks without having a Helgait shield. However, if they have really decided to add stats to the Helgaits, then that throws my theory out the window and players without a Helgait shield coming up against a player with a statted Helgait weapon are ****ed.

Having said this, I know OS are always coming up with ways to make more money, but they are not stupid because to allow statted Helgaits would have several disastrous consequences.

Firstly, Apoline I believe has the most Helgaits of all the servers (almost 80 according to my last count) and the other servers are not too far behind, so there are going to be a lot of angry people who already dedicated time, effort and money to get those Helgaits.

Secondly, it is simple human nature to seek something that is apparently better than what you already have, which is why in the context of the game people are constantly looking to get better statted gears and weapons. This means, therefore, that some people would be tempted to try and get statted Helgaits, which would obviously be better than the ones they currently have. This would lead to people spending more money to get a statted Helgait to replace the one they currently have and not just any statted Helgait but a good statted one. As such, the additional time, effort and money that would have to be spent to obtain a good statted Helgait would inevitably lead to frustration and resentment.

Thirdly, what will become of the non-statted Helgaits or the statted rejects? They would be pawned off at ridiculously low prices for an elite orange weapon and we would see a repeat of the "Gordon Fiasco", which resulted in blues being devalued up to 400% of their initial value.

Fourthly, if they allow Helgaits to be devalued to the extent that every player, his mother and the dog has one, then they would no longer be seen as "elite" and as such, it would no longer be a source of pride and accomplishment to have one. A Helgait is basically the final frontier until level 120, which we would not be seeing for a few more months, so without anything to feel a sense of accomplishment from, then some players might start getting an attention deficit towards the game. It is already difficult as it is to maintain your interest in the game, as currently the game content is as refreshing as Wednesday Adams's wardrobe.

Finally, the players with statted Helgaits would be pixeled "demi-gods" for the entire 105 cap raise and would be so until level 120 when there would be a new boss that would give a better weapon. However, by then I think the tremendous gap between the players with statted Helgaits and those without would have already caused irreparable damage to the balance of the game.

Like I said, OS are not stupid, so I am guessing that the statted Helgaits we have seen since today's maintenance are a glitch. I think instead that they may have intended to add stats to the 85 BKs and 95 BKRs in an attempt to counter the power of the Helgaits. After all, I think BKs have stats in some of the other versions of Fiesta. This is my opinion but let's wait and see what happens.:cool:

[kij024]

The only reason Helga spawns every 24 hours now is because OS saw how much money they were making from one week raids.



If helga wasn't intended to be so easily defeated why did the re-spawn change?
I think being able to stack charms, and use mighty potions with the addition of 200ksc pots, it seems like it was intended to be so easily defeated. And knowing that people will waste tons of money on weekly raids, the OS staff took advantage of that and made the re-spawn time change, which means more monies for them. ;3

Agreed.


Maybe they should just remove the "playing" part and skip to whoever spends the most on the game.

Player 1: "I spent $500"

Player 2: "Oh, I only spent $300.. I guess you win.."

Player 1: "Yes, I am so great!"

Player 2: "This is retarded, shouldn't games be about skill?"

Player 3: "oh my gosh why are you whining! don't whine! Why are you whining! like omg!"

Player 2: "..."

Agreed.

Helga is not easy. There is a purpose why they sell charms, and outspark has been successful on making us buy them. :)

Also, hellgait weapons are not overpowered.
Reasons:
1) Next cap is up to 105
2) Which brings to that there will be [insert color here] armors that will be higher than those levels, like today, some 85 blue armors give more stats than the 80 ones,
3) There will be new skills like what Clerics have that decreases the target's DMG, which I think is reasonable to increase the DMG for the axe because it is almost impossible to kill a good cleric without stunning it,
4) [insert color here] armors will also have effects, like today's blues, that can neutralize these weapons (and shields),
5) They are like Bellow Knights today, the only difference is they have stats, and BKs don't,
6) Which concludes that Helgait weapons are intended to be used up to level 105 (which also makes other weapons useless) and neutralizes everything when everyone has over 15k+ HP, 3500+ Def, and etc. These weapons are powerful, but not overpowered.


I have a lot of visuals going in my head, but I think I explained my side enough. :)
There is a reason behind everything. :cool:

[GM_Pilkysico]

I can make Helga with just 1 modification.

And it will be done.

[devin_nicolai]

From what I've seen, it's the uber l33tness of the HP Magic Potions.

Yeah but the only reason they live one hit is charms. Sooo Oonce

[master_maxin]

Welcomeeee to fiessssstaaaa =D. Though by what Silky said maybe it isn't meant, but... thats just like all the ppl who had to grind all their 8xs or whatever then the abundance of green drops come into play and they've missed all of those o.O;. It wouldn't be our fault everyone went out and enhanced them when they can't even use them yet. I was expecting at least some change, more of a nerf than a buff >_> ; cause folks without hellgaits are going to be preetttttttty screwed compared to those with them :3

Oops. I didnt even notice there were 6 pages. Im too lazy to go read everything. So sorry if my statement is null and void now <3

[xAvP2MasTeRx]

Outspark and OnsOnSoft need to learn how to implement changes in items and the economy..

Helgaits never should've been released to begin with..

At least not until the level 120+ cap :mad:

[borednl]

At least not until the level 120+ cap :mad:

I'm thinking they didn't have enough game content to last till then.

What is scary is that they are probably just going to leave the hellgaits alone like the did with the blues fiasco last year, creating horrible imbalances. Lvl9x players are going to be 2-hit.

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

lolx stats arent implemented till the next cap raise at least thats how it is on BK and Korean fiesta o.O

[Stingerdan]

*cough* Make Helga harder *cough*

-Disable certain items in Helga's Tomb. (Magic Pots for example)

-Increase his defense (By a lot) so that he doesn't die so fast. At the moment, he dies in like 10 minutes. Is that the epic battle with the world boss you were hoping for? I'd say 1 hour+ would be more fitting.

-Increase his Dmg. This may seem unthinkable but if Helga can't beat level 89's, there's no way he'll be able to stand up to level 120's. (Helga's level) If he really is a world boss, I expect him to be hard even when you're PAST his level.

-Make more Kallaps/Guardians but maybe decrease their dmg slightly. Less mobs dealing less dmg is harder than more mobs dealing more.

-Overall, decrease the drop rate of Hellgait gears. These are the most epic gears in the game. We don't want everyone and their mother to have a collection going.

-Increase the spawn time for Helga. It used to be 1 week. Now it's 1 day? That's just plain insane. (In the idiodic kind of way)

Anyway, I stand by my hypothesis that the game is perfectly balanced when you subtract the Cash Shop from the equation. Without Spark Cash, we wouldn't even be able to take a hit from Helga yet.

I say OutSpark needs to make a server where Spark Cash can not be used. A "Forced F2P Server" for lack of a better term, where those of us who enjoy the game as a challenging adventure can go to get away from those egomaniacs who eat, sleep, dream and bleed Spark Cash.


This post is win.

[alcatraz2k0]

...Also, hellgait weapons are not overpowered.
Reasons:
1) Next cap is up to 105
2) Which brings to that there will be [insert color here] armors that will be higher than those levels, like today, some 85 blue armors give more stats than the 80 ones,
3) There will be new skills like what Clerics have that decreases the target's DMG, which I think is reasonable to increase the DMG for the axe because it is almost impossible to kill a good cleric without stunning it,
4) [insert color here] armors will also have effects, like today's blues, that can neutralize these weapons (and shields),
5) They are like Bellow Knights today, the only difference is they have stats, and BKs don't,
6) Which concludes that Helgait weapons are intended to be used up to level 105 (which also makes other weapons useless) and neutralizes everything when everyone has over 15k+ HP, 3500+ Def, and etc. These weapons are powerful, but not overpowered.


I have a lot of visuals going in my head, but I think I explained my side enough. :)
There is a reason behind everything. :cool:

I only partly agree with you there Nobes as I had made a similar argument in a previous thread: http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168061&page=5

If the Helgait weapons remain unstatted, then it would be easier to sustain attacks from them. However, if the Helgait weapons are statted, then unless you have have a Helgait shield you are pretty much ****ed. ;)

Could you imagine being attacked by a Helgait wand or staff with 60 INT or trying to take down a cleric with a 60 END Helgait shield? Not to mention a weapon with 60 DEX, archers might as well quit now because evasion, which is an archer's best friend, would not only be destroyed by the insane aim on Helgait weapons, but also uber DEX stats on Helgaits would be the final nail in an archer's coffin.

OS could have brought some much needed balance to Fiesta by adding stats to the BKs and BKRs instead, thus allowing them to counter Helgaits to an extent. Further, the release of nifty skills like Mesmerise (mage), Mighty Chop (cleric), Dash (fighter) and Bind (archer) would help to level the playing field a lot.

My suggestion would be to remove the stats from the Helgaits and add stats to the BKs and BKRs instead. :cool:

[master_maxin]

I dont understand still how the stats make them all that much cheaper >_>; granted the hp bonus from end would be fairly significant, but the armor bonus wouldn't really be o.O. And "you can only kill a cleric if you stun them", you only have an 18sec CD on stun or whatever it is, and its not like a clerics ever going to kill youuuu (fighters at least :3 ). But ah well.

And @ the "have a no CS server", though that'd be sort of nice, its sorta impossible to do because outspark is a business, and spark cash is their means of income. <3

[kouturoq]

Also, hellgait weapons are not overpowered.
Reasons:
1) Next cap is up to 105
2) Which brings to that there will be armors that will be higher than those levels, like today, some 85 blue armors give more stats than the 80 ones,
[i]3) There will be new skills like what Clerics have that decreases the target's DMG, which I think is reasonable to increase the DMG for the axe because it is almost impossible to kill a good cleric without stunning it,1
4) armors will also have effects, like today's blues, that can neutralize these weapons (and shields),
5) They are like Bellow Knights today, the only difference is they have stats, and BKs don't,2
6) Which concludes that Helgait weapons are intended to be used up to level 1053 (which also makes other weapons useless) and neutralizes everything when everyone has over 15k+ HP, 3500+ Def, and etc4. These weapons are powerful, but not overpowered.

1: Click (http://www.fiestaonline.net/guide/listSkill.asp?classType=2) so where is the cleric skill that lowers damage of an enemy? I see only skills that either cancel SP skill usage for X amount of time, dispell debuffs, and dispel buffs of an enemy.
Demoralizing Hit
Decrease moral of all enemies around the caster lowering their combat damage.

Neglect
Annuls all attack damages.

These are the only two skills I see on those lists that have anything to do with modifying the damage dealt by your enemy. Shocking, they are fighter skills. Not cleric, archer, or mage skills.

2: BK weapons aren't [i]too ridiculously out of league with their counterparts.
Example: Level 80 Giant Staff has a base damage of 340~461
Level 85 Bellow Knight Staff has a base of 420~571
Hellgaits on the other hand...
Level 90 Titanic Staff has a base of 398~540 (wiki) (http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/Weapons_%28Mage%29)
Level 91 Hellgait Staff has a base of 2536~3442
Better yet, since you are a fighter compare the level 90 and 91 axes.
Level 90 Titanic Axe 685~949 (wiki) (http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/Weapons_%28Fighter%29)
Level 91 Hellgait Axe 4368~6048
Note: Checked Korean site and they had different damages for some things @.@ Wiki could be wrong, but it's easier just to base it off of that.

3: Hellgaits are the lvl120 boss weapons, I thought...made 91 so that we could use them upon cap raise --- good way to make money via abuse of cash shop items in order to defeat this level120 boss.

4: >____> You must be thinking of fighters and clerics.

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I do, however, agree with Morgen's suggestion -- give those that cannot get their hands on a Hellgait a chance. Put stats on the BK and BKLs.

I would like to point out something though. Morgen, archers [even mages --; level7x I relied on my evasion in PvP, now I'm food] were screwed the moment Bellow Knight weapons were introduced. Bellow Knight Lord and Hellgaits only further screw archers.

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*edit*
Komakoma senseiiii~ I believe maxxed cd on Devastate is like, 14seconds or something...spammable stun ftl.

[borednl]

Stats on hellgait weapons don't matter.. END doesn't matter when the opponant dies in less than 2 seconds.. DEX doesn't matter for aim when 60 aim + 2,000 aim is insignificant. It's not like the hellgait weapon would've missed without 60 extra aim. Same thing with INT or STR stats on items.. Even +9'ing a hellgait weapon doesn't matter, since the extra damage is so insignificant compared to the base damage of the weapon.

Imagine if PVP KQ hammers were dropping. Would it matter if they were statted or not? Of course not.

[mifdsam]

61 int? O_o

[vocellipizza]

how bout we just close the forums or quit reading them if you dont wanna hear ppl cry like little babies :) and its funny the only ppl that cry and moan here are the people without a helga wep ....so with that being said quit crying and man up and get yourself one :P

[spookyiness]

I can make Helga with just 1 modification.

And it will be done.

sneakpico

but what will that change be, lols

i just don't want my new statted hammer to just disappear as i already decided who i'm donating the white/orange one to

[Aeriex]

Funny you should say, level 90+ items were wiped a few times. User complaints that they were wiped.

Helga was not intended to be so easily defeated during this level cap.

lmfao.
Owned.
Go Fiesta players xD



Before the 20% charms went out, each successful raids were the whole server ones...

After, a group of 20 people can own Helga...

Wow, those pots are awesome.

Actually I beg to differ.
Our guild on Apoline successfully raided with 19 people before charm stack was available, yes it was pre map change, regardless, it happened, and that was AFTER they patched Helga to be harder.

[andrey1990]

*cough* Make Helga harder *cough*

-Disable certain items in Helga's Tomb. (Magic Pots for example)

-Increase his defense (By a lot) so that he doesn't die so fast. At the moment, he dies in like 10 minutes. Is that the epic battle with the world boss you were hoping for? I'd say 1 hour+ would be more fitting.

-Increase his Dmg. This may seem unthinkable but if Helga can't beat level 89's, there's no way he'll be able to stand up to level 120's. (Helga's level) If he really is a world boss, I expect him to be hard even when you're PAST his level.

-Make more Kallaps/Guardians but maybe decrease their dmg slightly. Less mobs dealing less dmg is harder than more mobs dealing more.

-Overall, decrease the drop rate of Hellgait gears. These are the most epic gears in the game. We don't want everyone and their mother to have a collection going.

-Increase the spawn time for Helga. It used to be 1 week. Now it's 1 day? That's just plain insane. (In the idiodic kind of way)

Anyway, I stand by my hypothesis that the game is perfectly balanced when you subtract the Cash Shop from the equation. Without Spark Cash, we wouldn't even be able to take a hit from Helga yet.

I say OutSpark needs to make a server where Spark Cash can not be used. A "Forced F2P Server" for lack of a better term, where those of us who enjoy the game as a challenging adventure can go to get away from those egomaniacs who eat, sleep, dream and bleed Spark Cash.

Hahaha... I agree with this guy.

[spookyiness]

lmfao.
Owned.
Go Fiesta players xD




Actually I beg to differ.
Our guild on Apoline successfully raided with 19 people before charm stack was available, yes it was pre map change, regardless, it happened, and that was AFTER they patched Helga to be harder.

i agree with the begging to differ.
i think the fastest we at epith ever did it was 7 minutes from spawn to kill.
it just takes a lot of teamwork, a single party can be tanking him, but usually have at least 2, each with 3 tanks in it, and as long as there is 1 or 2 other parties keeping the kallaps off the clerics, we win

other days it takes hours and hours and hours, simply cause everyone wants to be in poking helga with their swords and axes and not caring when the clerics get mobbed, then wondering why they keep dying :>

when all the drama and silly fights stopped and people actually got down and worked together, not just for their own party, but for the kill, we can do it with 4 or 5 parties, and often do :>

i find when there's 90 parties, that's when we have more problems, cause people draw in more kallaps and guardians, and it's them that makes it harder, including some people that like to mob all the tanks at the last second so they can very literally just steal the drops

[numot]

*cough* Make Helga harder *cough*

-Disable certain items in Helga's Tomb. (Magic Pots for example)

-Increase his defense (By a lot) so that he doesn't die so fast. At the moment, he dies in like 10 minutes. Is that the epic battle with the world boss you were hoping for? I'd say 1 hour+ would be more fitting.

-Increase his Dmg. This may seem unthinkable but if Helga can't beat level 89's, there's no way he'll be able to stand up to level 120's. (Helga's level) If he really is a world boss, I expect him to be hard even when you're PAST his level.

-Make more Kallaps/Guardians but maybe decrease their dmg slightly. Less mobs dealing less dmg is harder than more mobs dealing more.

-Overall, decrease the drop rate of Hellgait gears. These are the most epic gears in the game. We don't want everyone and their mother to have a collection going.

-Increase the spawn time for Helga. It used to be 1 week. Now it's 1 day? That's just plain insane. (In the idiodic kind of way)

Anyway, I stand by my hypothesis that the game is perfectly balanced when you subtract the Cash Shop from the equation. Without Spark Cash, we wouldn't even be able to take a hit from Helga yet.

I say OutSpark needs to make a server where Spark Cash can not be used. A "Forced F2P Server" for lack of a better term, where those of us who enjoy the game as a challenging adventure can go to get away from those egomaniacs who eat, sleep, dream and bleed Spark Cash.


FLAWED
U REALIZE THEY ARE RELEASING (AND NOT FIXING) WEAPONS WHOSE AIM COMPLETELY MAKES DEX USELESS?????? BALANCE? pft...

[Aeriex]

I personally would like to know what the planned fix is for this predicament.

[SweaterMittens]

Agreed.



Agreed.

Helga is not easy. There is a purpose why they sell charms, and outspark has been successful on making us buy them. :)

Also, hellgait weapons are not overpowered.
Reasons:
1) Next cap is up to 105
2) Which brings to that there will be [insert color here] armors that will be higher than those levels, like today, some 85 blue armors give more stats than the 80 ones,
3) There will be new skills like what Clerics have that decreases the target's DMG, which I think is reasonable to increase the DMG for the axe because it is almost impossible to kill a good cleric without stunning it,
4) [insert color here] armors will also have effects, like today's blues, that can neutralize these weapons (and shields),
5) They are like Bellow Knights today, the only difference is they have stats, and BKs don't,
6) Which concludes that Helgait weapons are intended to be used up to level 105 (which also makes other weapons useless) and neutralizes everything when everyone has over 15k+ HP, 3500+ Def, and etc. These weapons are powerful, but not overpowered.


I have a lot of visuals going in my head, but I think I explained my side enough. :)
There is a reason behind everything. :cool:


Lulz

ten chara.

[master_maxin]

how bout we just close the forums or quit reading them if you dont wanna hear ppl cry like little babies :) and its funny the only ppl that cry and moan here are the people without a helga wep ....so with that being said quit crying and man up and get yourself one :P

Actually, if you'll notice, the thread creation was whining from people who already have hellgaits, because they're worried their stuff they already found and invested money in will be.. not quite as cheap as if it has stats. And I know several people that already have hellgaits that agree it may be cheap, but who cares 'cause they're uber <3.

[kij024]

1: Click (http://www.fiestaonline.net/guide/listSkill.asp?classType=2) so where is the cleric skill that lowers damage of an enemy? I see only skills that either cancel SP skill usage for X amount of time, dispell debuffs, and dispel buffs of an enemy.
Demoralizing Hit
Decrease moral of all enemies around the caster lowering their combat damage.

Neglect
Annuls all attack damages.

These are the only two skills I see on those lists that have anything to do with modifying the damage dealt by your enemy. Shocking, they are fighter skills. Not cleric, archer, or mage skills.

2: BK weapons aren't too ridiculously out of league with their counterparts.
Example: Level 80 Giant Staff has a base damage of 340~461
Level 85 Bellow Knight Staff has a base of 420~571
Hellgaits on the other hand...
Level 90 Titanic Staff has a base of 398~540 (wiki) (http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/Weapons_%28Mage%29)
Level 91 Hellgait Staff has a base of 2536~3442
Better yet, since you are a fighter compare the level 90 and 91 axes.
Level 90 Titanic Axe 685~949 (wiki) (http://www.fiestafan.com/wiki/Weapons_%28Fighter%29)
Level 91 Hellgait Axe 4368~6048
Note: Checked Korean site and they had different damages for some things @.@ Wiki could be wrong, but it's easier just to base it off of that.

3: Hellgaits are the lvl120 boss weapons, I thought...made 91 so that we could use them upon cap raise --- good way to make money via abuse of cash shop items in order to defeat this level120 boss.

4: >____> You must be thinking of fighters and clerics.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I do, however, agree with Morgen's suggestion -- give those that cannot get their hands on a Hellgait a chance. Put stats on the BK and BKLs.

I would like to point out something though. Morgen, archers [even mages --; level7x I relied on my evasion in PvP, now I'm food] were screwed the moment Bellow Knight weapons were introduced. Bellow Knight Lord and Hellgaits only further screw archers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*edit*
Komakoma senseiiii~ I believe maxxed cd on Devastate is like, 14seconds or something...spammable stun ftl.

*About the skill, a GM demonstrated it to us, along with few other people. I think it was an AoE. Hmm... Ask Aeyr.

*That is why I said they were intended to be used up to 105, the cap raise is up to 100+, so don't compare them with L90 weapons.
If you have something against the weapons, talk to OnSoft/Outspark. I'm just gave some possible reasons why they made it like this.

*And ofc, I was talking about Clerics and Fighters. A mage should not have more def than a cleric or a fighter.

We don't know what will happen. We just have to wait until the cap raise. :cool:
Even I don't agree with the Hellgaits stats but I think something will just pop out like the blue sets to save the day! :P

[Aeriex]

Actually, if you'll notice, the thread creation was whining from people who already have hellgaits, because they're worried their stuff they already found and invested money in will be.. not quite as cheap as if it has stats. And I know several people that already have hellgaits that agree it may be cheap, but who cares 'cause they're uber <3.

Nurpp.
I want to know what happens to my Hellgait. I figured something would happen between then and when we could use them.
Hence why mine is still +1 ;P

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

hm just wait to get a helgate wep with +91 str/end/dex/spr/int ;p

[thalegend7695]

Just let Helga use SC items too (extender-70% cookie-CS pots)...Kthnxbai

(Just confirm if the statted weps are bugged or notˇˇ)

ROFLMAO. THt made my day xD *adds qote to siggy*

[BreederWerewolf]

Anyway, I stand by my hypothesis that the game is perfectly balanced when you subtract the Cash Shop from the equation. Without Spark Cash, we wouldn't even be able to take a hit from Helga yet.

I say OutSpark needs to make a server where Spark Cash can not be used. A "Forced F2P Server" for lack of a better term, where those of us who enjoy the game as a challenging adventure can go to get away from those egomaniacs who eat, sleep, dream and bleed Spark Cash.
I'd love that .. sept i like teva and crit suits >.o ...

I can make Helga with just 1 modification.

And it will be done.
that just seems ... scary for some reason

[w0nderhealer]

hmmm overflow the market with hellgait weapons maybe ?
I know people who has it already will whine about it.Those people are the ones that once they have the power they will want to keep it for them selves to be at the top.
Put the spawn time to 6 hours and less people will whine about helga raids and the overpowering of those weapons.
People that whine about helgaits are people that don't have the special weapon...
And talking about dex and aim.I think the GM's are like level 12x and we all saw how impossible it is to hit them.Their evasion must be around 2k if it isn't more.
I saw people with more then 1k evasion already and yet others whine about the aim of bk weapons....
A fighter with a bk axe has around 700 aim btw.

[darthnish]

ah er i jsut saw a hellgait hammer with 70 END

[lenore_lurks]

Kumar... wot? 70 end? O.O

[mkdimmortal]

so who wants to give me a hellgait xbow? D:

[darthnish]

yea jess go check out aeyr bear's hellgait therad

[Zaiks]

Outspark and OnsOnSoft need to learn how to implement changes in items and the economy..

Helgaits never should've been released to begin with..

That's for sure. =/

[Rzpect]

JEez!!
i try to get away from hellga..but all these stuff is keep pulling me back in >.>

[numot]

hmmm overflow the market with hellgait weapons maybe ?
I know people who has it already will whine about it.Those people are the ones that once they have the power they will want to keep it for them selves to be at the top.
Put the spawn time to 6 hours and less people will whine about helga raids and the overpowering of those weapons.
People that whine about helgaits are people that don't have the special weapon...
And talking about dex and aim.I think the GM's are like level 12x and we all saw how impossible it is to hit them.Their evasion must be around 2k if it isn't more.
I saw people with more then 1k evasion already and yet others whine about the aim of bk weapons....
A fighter with a bk axe has around 700 aim btw.


1. MERE SPECULATION. lvl120= 31lvls above lvl 89. so do u expect lvl 58's to be able to strike hits on me? i got 732-760 EVA.

2. Only people who appraoch that number are full Dex archers, and they can only break 1K Eva with a t4 Scroll. so essentially that doesnt count.

3. fighter with BK axe has around 700 aim?!?!??! pft....maybe the most fail fighters. average AIM is around 800 with BK axe. seeing as i cant dodge them ever.

lvl70 BLUE Axe=272 AIM
lvl80 axe= 282 AIM
lvl 85 BK Axe= 500AIM

that look coherent to you? i hope not

[t3nchi]

pssstt ever heard of a 4 statted hellgait >_> ... 1 dropped yesterday xD dont know what OS has planned, or what changed according to silky.. but..these hellgaits are awesome xD now i just gotta wait to try and get a statted hellgait ~.~''''''

[Aeriex]

pssstt ever heard of a 4 statted hellgait >_> ... 1 dropped yesterday xD dont know what OS has planned, or what changed according to silky.. but..these hellgaits are awesome xD now i just gotta wait to try and get a statted hellgait ~.~''''''

More importantly, what's going to happen to the statless ones =__=

[t3nchi]

More importantly, what's going to happen to the statless ones =__=

nothing...ever heard of the great gold rush ? well thats helga! "OMG we can beat helga now" * everyone shows up attendance is up atleast 30+ ppl a week! OS swims in money.* "ZOMG we can beat helga with 15+/- (or ppl stop coming)" *OS money income goes down* *OS creates helga pack/bigger map= more money the more ppl right?**OS dnt get the amount of money they want ...notices attendance is going down* *"someone at OS ..." lets give them stats" ..O_o' "that might work...lets make them UBER 70+ stats too" ...O_O" think how many ppl will come back" $$$$$$$$$$$$$ woooot! (GOLD RUSH IS BACK!! or so they hope!)

haha im sure i missed a few things here and there >_> but not too far from those lines xD lol OR maybe they are trying to give us the greens for capp and forgot to exclude helga in the code, which im sure its not too hard to fix that...but if we keep getting statted hellgaits then i think my 1st guess was right >_>'''

[alcatraz2k0]

pssstt ever heard of a 4 statted hellgait >_> ... 1 dropped yesterday xD dont know what OS has planned, or what changed according to silky.. but..these hellgaits are awesome xD now i just gotta wait to try and get a statted hellgait ~.~''''''

A good statted Helgait you mean. I am sure you are not going to moon walk and do the split if you get an axe with 70 INT. xD


More importantly, what's going to happen to the statless ones =__=

My thoughts exactly.


nothing...ever heard of the great gold rush ? well thats helga! "OMG we can beat helga now" * everyone shows up attendance is up atleast 30+ ppl a week! OS swims in money.* "ZOMG we can beat helga with 15+/- (or ppl stop coming)" *OS money income goes down* *OS creates helga pack/bigger map= more money the more ppl right?**OS dnt get the amount of money they want ...notices attendance is going down* *"someone at OS ..." lets give them stats" ..O_o' "that might work...lets make them UBER 70+ stats too" ...O_O" think how many ppl will come back" $$$$$$$$$$$$$ woooot! (GOLD RUSH IS BACK!! or so they hope!)

haha im sure i missed a few things here and there >_> but not too far from those lines xD lol OR maybe they are trying to give us the greens for capp and forgot to exclude helga in the code, which im sure its not too hard to fix that...but if we keep getting statted hellgaits then i think my 1st guess was right >_>'''

I think your scenarios pretty much hit the nail on the head. Either it is a glitch in an attempt to give 9x greens and statted BKRs at cap raise or just another ploy to make money. Stay tuned folks you don't want to miss the next nail-biting episode of the Wonderful World of Fiesta. :cool:

[savaro]

lolz would you when its+70str honestly if my axe does ( i already forgot the redicelous ammount of damage) but like uhmm 6500damage does 70str then really matters=/

[alcatraz2k0]

lolz would you when its+70str honestly if my axe does ( i already forgot the redicelous ammount of damage) but like uhmm 6500damage does 70str then really matters=/

I agree with you to an extent. Having 70 STR, DEX or INT might not make a significant diffence from the perspective that Helgaits already have insane damage and aim. However, having 70 END will give you such a boost to your HP in particular and DEF that if this is complimented with the proper gears you will be virtually invincible. Similarly, having 70 SPR will make mages impotent.

Having said that, a fighter with 60 plus END and SPR on an axe is overpowering a class that is already somewhat overpowered.

[Aeriex]

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/Hmm.jpg

Nice to know we're SOL.

Stats should have been release when the weapons themselves were released then. All the money we spent and countless raids at all hours in the morning are almost negate now. Thank you so much OS, love you for this sooo much :D <33333


SS stolen from this thread btw:
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168061

[nasgax]

player A: mdksaodmsoak this is a phail hg drop, 70 [self-censored] int stats!! I think I will just npc this one!!!
player B: I'll pay you 2x npc price for it
player A: alright
player B: woooooooot, helga axe with 70 int >=)

lol point is, bad stat or not, ill take any hg wpn if you dun like it @@

[Madcharo]

http://i367.photobucket.com/albums/oo114/Aeyr_/Hmm.jpg

Nice to know we're SOL.

Stats should have been release when the weapons themselves were released then. All the money we spent and countless raids at all hours in the morning are almost negate now. Thank you so much OS, love you for this sooo much :D <33333


SS stolen from this thread btw:
http://outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168061

OR!! stats on Hellgait could be bugged so they're appearing with stats now. They may change them, or they may not. Either way, that picture you stole was posted before the patch (When stats started appearing) so it's kinda irrelivent to anything to be honest.

Edit: I really think it's a bug since the items can have stats up to +60 which is the max for level 120 gear. Level 120 is the Korean Hellgait level which leads me to believe that Hellgait gear was never intended to have stats but with the last patch something made them start getting stats.

EditEdit: Just be happy you have a Hellgait at all. The stats are pretty much useless since anything that touches you won't for much longer anyway.

[lenore_lurks]

Yeah, seriously, having a Hellgait weap would be fantastic. If you don't want yours anymore, I am more than happy to take it off your hands! haha.

Just be happy with what you've got. They're all epic weapons.

[Madcharo]

Having said that, a fighter with 60 plus END and SPR on an axe is overpowering a class that is already somewhat overpowered.

+60Dex/Int 1h ftw! >:o?


If you don't want yours anymore, I am more than happy to take it off your hands!

Quoted for truth.

[darthnish]

lol fail judging my issues in the past i;m quite certain they'll leave the weps as it is

[Aeriex]

Either way, that picture you stole was posted before the patch (When stats started appearing) so it's kinda irrelivent to anything to be honest.


-Looks at post date-
haha, so it is.
I'm so observant on two hours of sleep :3

Still love you then OS >.o <3

[boo18white]

I think they should just remove the stated helgaits and then somehow replace the stated ones players already own with the regular statless ones so people dont complain about loosing their helgait completely.

[Nephron]

Similarly, having 70 SPR will make mages impotent.

I don't think "impotent" is the right word (on more than one level ;)). An extra 70 SPR would make mages more powerful, not less.

Just thought I'd point that out. Hellgait weapons really don't concern me, since I will most likely never use one or fight someone who has one. :)

THIS HAS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT FROM YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD GRAMMAR FREAK. THINK POSITIVE THOUGHTS, AND HAVE A NICE DAY.

[dentakun]

Ugh.... statted hellgaits... as if it wasn't already bone-breaking enough to find a suitable hellgait...

I can't decide if it'd be better for them to be plentiful, or scarce. I mean, they're just too godly for everyone to have and it'd be a major economy killer the more they grow in numbers... but if only a few have them then they'll be practically untouchable... lol hellgaits </3

[kij024]

~ Everything is gonna be alright. :cool:

[squilibrina]

Outspark and OnsOnSoft need to learn how to implement changes in items and the economy..

Helgaits never should've been released to begin with..

i agree.. Hellgaits weapon have a damage and aim unbalanced..
BUT
I'm happy that they increased spawn time cause every player has the right to get an hellgait.. and for ppl like me that dont have enough def and i work during apoline raid.. its a good thing to have many of them so i can buy it.... and the more hellgaits we have at merchants the less they r gonna cost XD

im not sure about stats.. i dont mind to have a cheaper no stat hellgait.. i dont think they gonna desappear as blues bug never desappeared..
Outspark made a huge amount of money with all the "new" +9 weapon after cap raise..

The real problem is that with double charm always less ppl go there we have a couple of guild.. that act as they have bought Helga's Tomb... and they keep charming and go every day.. killing and killing and killing to make fake money while outspark make real money...

But im afraid to say.. Outspark is doing well.. they r earning money .. they r actually there for this...
WE R ABUSING...

cause even if we can get 70% charm.. we could go more of us and cope with 20 or 50% charms...
more clerics around would make the hp magic potions need much lower...
do we really need 50% extra critic with all the stuff u can get from shop? Who actually like the look of weapon skins?
but we keep overbuying to kill each other in pvp and some of us... to kill helga..

and the point is.. that most of us r even having fun..

I dont have an hellgait.. i hope i could buy it soon... but hellgaits r unbalancing a game.. that WE HAVE HUGELY UNNBALANCED

[squilibrina]

From what I've seen, it's the uber l33tness of the HP Magic Potions.



helga hits me the double of my hp.. so .. u still didnt create an invicible pot that can keep me alive.............

[alcatraz2k0]

I don't think "impotent" is the right word (on more than one level ;)). An extra 70 SPR would make mages more powerful, not less.

I think there is a slight misunderstanding on your part. I am not saying 70 SPR on a mage weapon, I am saying 70 SPR on let's say an axe or a 1h and shield would give fighters a much needed boost in magic defense to take out a mage. As such, 70 SPR on the weapons of other classes would be a big blow to the magic damage advantage of mages. It is from this standpoint that they would be rendered virtually impotent or at the very least their magic damage advantage would be greatly reduced.

Further, as for SPR on a mage weapon, that would only help against another mage. SPR on the weapon will not give a mage more critical rate, just more SP and magic defense, which are useless when facing other classes.

[UzumakiW]

I agree with the people who think it's a bug kind of thing. I'm sure those were added in by some sort of mistake and will, hopefully, be fixed.

Either way it goes, just be happy if you have any sort of Hellgait. It's not like those things are dropping left and right for people everyday. Only a few or so drop every day, a lot of the time, I'm assuming, to the same people. Having one of those under the current circumstances will make you rulers of PvP areas, so I don't see any need to complain about it at.

[numot]

@Alkatraz...insignifant 70SPR bonus in light of hellgait wand/staff dmg. however, vs a non hellgait user, then yes, the significance rises.

@squilibrina....not every player has a right to a hellgait. only players who play a key role in killing it as well as the players who are capable of killing it. if you want everyone to "deserve" a hellgait, then purchase an improbability drive from the Cash shop and morph reality into what barney the dinosaur envisioned as a utopia....so naive -.- we didnt unbalance the game, the creators provided an environment that would nurture the SC *bleeps*

[arg0nn]

i think one thing .....
this game would have to be freee!!
it's on the game's spots
it's in the outspark's site
it's in the other sites' banners..
now it's impossible to be strong enough without spending tons of bucks and abusing of my credit card...
so i'm nomore strong as i was when the game was balanced..
and now helgait's weaps have stats..
thanks a lot outspark....

[Asato]

but we keep overbuying to kill each other in pvp and some of us... to kill helga..

and the point is.. that most of us r even having fun..

I dont have an hellgait.. i hope i could buy it soon... but hellgaits r unbalancing a game.. that WE HAVE HUGELY UNNBALANCED

Having fun? probably why most people leave the game, at least lots of them and come on another fiesta.
Helgait weapon are unbalanched, the bk were strong but ok, but helgait, yay, full dex archer = useless.
Someone with a helgait axe+9 = kill a whole guild
Charming like crazy at 80% = even more overpowered.

Sad to say but well, having fun is only for those who like pvp, on another version of fiesta, people for OS (not only teva) come here cuz they have enough of the charmed generation and people farming helga.

I dun intend to flame, no, I jsut see tha tnot everyone have fun seeing people charming at 80%

[squilibrina]

I think there is a slight misunderstanding on your part. I am not saying 70 SPR on a mage weapon, I am saying 70 SPR on let's say an axe or a 1h and shield would give fighters a much needed boost in magic defense to take out a mage. As such, 70 SPR on the weapons of other classes would be a big blow to the magic damage advantage of mages. It is from this standpoint that they would be rendered virtually impotent or at the very least their magic damage advantage would be greatly reduced.

Further, as for SPR on a mage weapon, that would only help against another mage. SPR on the weapon will not give a mage more critical rate, just more SP and magic defense, which are useless when facing other classes.

i dont think +70 end will save me from an hellgait axe..
the damage is too much!!
so basically.. if u take a fighter.. and take off extender.. take off charms.. i bet 70+spr wont be enough to survive a double fear and spawn skill from hellgait mages..
+70 spr make a difference.. when u r pumped up...

[squilibrina]

@Alkatraz...insignifant 70SPR bonus in light of hellgait wand/staff dmg. however, vs a non hellgait user, then yes, the significance rises.

@squilibrina....not every player has a right to a hellgait. only players who play a key role in killing it as well as the players who are capable of killing it. if you want everyone to "deserve" a hellgait, then purchase an improbability drive from the Cash shop and morph reality into what barney the dinosaur envisioned as a utopia....so naive -.- we didnt unbalance the game, the creators provided an environment that would nurture the SC *bleeps*

i keep thinking that every player has the right to have an hellgait.. cause it's such an unbalanced weapon that a non hellgait user is more than hopeless to survive a pvp
and im afraid u can talk about players who r capable of killing it when u go solo.. and survive it
its a team work.. but... SAME OLD STORY..... fighters always do more...
and what exactely do u mean a key role on killing it? do u mean tanking???????
cause if u do mean tanking.. . i would love to rimind u that u can tank helga for many sc reasons.. good gears reason too.. but cause ur class is actually the tanking class of this game........ and for this reason u have tanking skills...

[kouturoq]

@Alkatraz...insignifant 70SPR bonus in light of hellgait wand/staff dmg. however, vs a non hellgait user, then yes, the significance rises.

I'm always up for testing my damage against fighters... One day I 20% charmed on a friend and recorded the average hits.
Just 500 magic defense saves a fighter from 3k magic damage. Even with my strongest hit [no crits] I barely did 900~1k damage, whereas their auto attack can do just as much to my 900 or so def.

That 70 SPR added on top of the 9x gears... Ugh. T.T Why even bother trying to kill them. I don't even want to think about trying to PvP a cleric or fighter with a Hellgait 1h/shield|mace/hammer/shield that all have +70 SPR. x___X The shield alone has what, 900 magic def?!

[numot]

Tanking , Healing and pulling mobs away from main team. Most people attends raids only to try to KS or miraculous grab a hellgait...not the case.

its not an unbalanced weapon. the issue is the lvl requirement should be 120+
lvl 91 with lvl 120+ weapon? nonsense, however, that doesn't mean everyone should have one. that would only make the problem worse. Lifes unfair and sometimes you'll find yourself on the short end of the stick.

[squilibrina]

Tanking , Healing and pulling mobs away from main team. Most people attends raids only to try to KS or miraculous grab a hellgait...not the case.

its not an unbalanced weapon. the issue is the lvl requirement should be 120+
lvl 91 with lvl 120+ weapon? nonsense, however, that doesn't mean everyone should have one. that would only make the problem worse. Lifes unfair and sometimes you'll find yourself on the short end of the stick.

u just wrote by yourself that hellgait is an unbalanced weapon.. just because at lvl 91 we can equip at lvl 120 weapon!... 29 lvl difference is a great balance!!!!!!!!!!!
For it will be fair if all players can have the chance to have one.. so at least we will be pretty much balanced on weapon damage!

[numot]

i never contested that they cause a disruption of game balance. they as a unit are fine seeing as how they are meant for 120+ use, but our current end game will only reach lvl 105.

do you think in world where people are itching to shoot each other, that every nation should have a nuke?

everyone in fiesta loves killing someone else. Hellgaits are the nukes, so if everyone gets one, then everything goes straight to hell.

[devin_nicolai]

Most people attends raids only to try to KS or miraculous grab a hellgait...


I can see why ( I know your on epith :x ) Players from epith HAVE to do that because legendary farms helga everyday early in the morning. Were like the only server that doesn't share him

[squilibrina]

so lets be fair and lets all go straight to hell ..

as this game it was before hellgaits......
a blue has a bit more damage than GH or green.. but u can still can pvp .. cant u?

[squilibrina]

I can see why ( I know your on epith :x ) Players from epith HAVE to do that because legendary farms helga everyday early in the morning. Were like the only server that doesn't share him

u r wrong.. apoline does the same.. everyday same time..
impossible to attend for most of EU players...

[devin_nicolai]

so lets be fair and lets all go straight to hell ..

as this game it was before hellgaits......
a blue has a bit more damage than GH or green.. but u can still can pvp .. cant u?

Its called the edit button, Use it. Annnd No thanks ill pass

EDIT:Since hellgaits get stats when do BKs get stats :rolleyes:

[dentakun]

u r wrong.. apoline does the same.. everyday same time..
impossible to attend for most of EU players...

lol each time i try at last minute helga gets "accidently" turned away from the wall and kills off all the weaker (uncharmed) players.

[alcatraz2k0]

@Alkatraz...insignifant 70SPR bonus in light of hellgait wand/staff dmg. however, vs a non hellgait user, then yes, the significance rises.

Again numot, you are completely disregarding a player's "damage tolerance" and what that entails when making a statement regarding the Helgaits. You cannot look at the 70 SPR in isolation because I would agree that 70 SPR alone will not save you against a Helgait wand or staff. However, 70 SPR taken in conjunction with your free stat build, weapon stats, armour stats, jewelry stats and so on contributes to your "damage tolerance". The greater the stats on the aformentioned items, the greater would be your damage tolerance and having godly stats on the said items should put you in a good position to withstand Helgait attacks.


@squilibrina....not every player has a right to a hellgait. only players who play a key role in killing it as well as the players who are capable of killing it. if you want everyone to "deserve" a hellgait, then purchase an improbability drive from the Cash shop and morph reality into what barney the dinosaur envisioned as a utopia....so naive -.- we didnt unbalance the game, the creators provided an environment that would nurture the SC *bleeps*


I agree that it is not players that unbalance the game, it is OS and OOS. Look at it this way, if steroids were not available, then athletes wouldn't be able to use them. The players did not put all the items in the Cash Shop and the players do not control game content.


Having fun? probably why most people leave the game, at least lots of them and come on another fiesta.
Helgait weapon are unbalanched, the bk were strong but ok, but helgait, yay, full dex archer = useless.
Someone with a helgait axe+9 = kill a whole guild
Charming like crazy at 80% = even more overpowered.

Sad to say but well, having fun is only for those who like pvp, on another version of fiesta, people for OS (not only teva) come here cuz they have enough of the charmed generation and people farming helga.

I dun intend to flame, no, I jsut see tha tnot everyone have fun seeing people charming at 80%

Just like numot and some others, substantiate your claims with facts and reasoned arguments. Explain to me if you can how a Helgait axe plus 9 is going to kill a guild of 9xs or 8xs?


i dont think +70 end will save me from an hellgait axe..
the damage is too much!!
so basically.. if u take a fighter.. and take off extender.. take off charms.. i bet 70+spr wont be enough to survive a double fear and spawn skill from hellgait mages..
+70 spr make a difference.. when u r pumped up...

You said you don't think and again you look at the damage on the weapons and forget everything else. First, 70 END in isolation of course will not save you not even from a BK, you have to consider a player's gears and equips in their entirety. Second, read my previous post on damage tolerance. Finally, if you are willing to think about the situation properly you will realize that the panicking and whining is all for naught. It might be justifiable to be a little concerned about statted Helgaits but I think the non-statted ones are tolerable.


I'm always up for testing my damage against fighters... One day I 20% charmed on a friend and recorded the average hits.
Just 500 magic defense saves a fighter from 3k magic damage. Even with my strongest hit [no crits] I barely did 900~1k damage, whereas their auto attack can do just as much to my 900 or so def.

That 70 SPR added on top of the 9x gears... Ugh. T.T Why even bother trying to kill them. I don't even want to think about trying to PvP a cleric or fighter with a Hellgait 1h/shield|mace/hammer/shield that all have +70 SPR. x___X The shield alone has what, 900 magic def?!

I agree with you Nove because like I said previously, such high SPR stats on Helgaits would render mages virtually impotent by greatly reducing their magic damage advantage. :cool:

[kouturoq]

u r wrong.. apoline does the same.. everyday same time..
impossible to attend for most of EU players...

Ahuh, and I suppose 3, 4, 5AM raids aren't hard for someone in the US to go to, 'specially when they have things like work or school, y'know, RL responsibilities.

I go when I can, which is usually on my days off. Or I nap during the evening to make up for the loss of sleep so I can stay up and go, even if I have work at 6AM lol x.x
<3 outside healing guild.
<3 jacking 1-2 stacks of T4 pots every run.

[Aeriex]

u r wrong.. apoline does the same.. everyday same time..
impossible to attend for most of EU players...

Lmfao ~

We raid at 3-6 AM my time, central.
That is a six hour difference from England which is the furthest country in the EU West i believe. So we raid at 9AM-12PM their time. OH DARN! You might have to set an alarm clock D: God knows I do. Alex, one of our ever lovely fighters in Rena, lives in Italy, he gets up, you can too :3


Ahuh, and I suppose 3, 4, 5AM raids aren't hard for someone in the US to go to, 'specially when they have things like work or school, y'know, RL responsibilities.

I go when I can, which is usually on my days off. Or I nap during the evening to make up for the loss of sleep so I can stay up and go, even if I have work at 6AM lol x.x
<3 outside healing guild.
<3 jacking 1-2 stacks of T4 pots every run.

Yuhh. Today's raid kept me up til 5 AM, I have school at 6 AM =3=
I feel your pain >.<

[dentakun]

Hellgaits are like the atomic bombs of Fiesta.

One side having them throws the power off balance, then once everyone has them that balance is restored but all previous strategies are negated. Then it's just a matter of who fires first.

Outspark what HAVE you created??

[Flaming_Slayer]

The only thing I really have a problem with is as stated, the aim on these, it pretty much negates dex even being needed, and its with most of the 85+ weaps so I'm not just ranting about hellgait weapons, maybe something could be changed with dex to make it more effective at higher levels *honestly has no idea how though atm*. The damage...well sure it's staggeringly high in comparison to the others (especially axe) but remember they are from a mob that has like 30ish levels on us, so originally yeah this was a fair exchange. Now that 2 new hellgaits are being brought to existence each day...maybe the spawn time should be set back to a few days. Just my opinion instead of just saying "THIS SUCK!" or something lmao

Anyway lets get back on topic instead of ranting, wow +57 int lmao, I wonder what the stat cap is for these o:


Oooh Chewy hush D= lmao jk xDD. But on a serious note, there are alot of things i completely agree with here *to lazy to quote them all, but lets say i did* ;)

[alcatraz2k0]

u r wrong.. apoline does the same.. everyday same time..
impossible to attend for most of EU players...

My friend and Apoline legend Waltimore said it best when he said:


...If you're going to wake up AS SOON as Maintenance is over, then so be it. You deserve Helga...

...I hope in all of this you're seeing a point. The one who wants Helga the most will get it...

They're killing helga because 1) they want it more than you, and 2) they're better at it.

If you can't cope with that, I suggest you bring your level of commitment to a higher level...

Anyway, that's just my humble opinion.

Resignedly,
Waltimore

We have players from all parts of the World who attend the raids from California to the Caribbean to Turin to Melbourne to Beijing to...you get the picture. If you can make it, then so be it. If you can't, then you can't. :cool:


Hellgaits are like the atomic bombs of Fiesta.

One side having them throws the power off balance, then once everyone has them that balance is restored but all previous strategies are negated. Then it's just a matter of who fires first.

Outspark what HAVE you created??

Overreact much?

[squilibrina]

Lmfao ~

We raid at 3-6 AM my time, central.
That is a six hour difference from England which is the furthest country in the EU West i believe. So we raid at 9AM-12PM their time. OH DARN! You might have to set an alarm clock D: God knows I do. Alex, one of our ever lovely fighters in Rena, lives in Italy, he gets up, you can too :3



Yuhh. Today's raid kept me up til 5 AM, I have school at 6 AM =3=
I feel your pain >.<

in Italy except on sunday.. most of players dont sleep.. they actually go to work or school...

[squilibrina]

[FONT="Trebuchet MS"]You said you don't think and again you look at the damage on the weapons and forget everything else. First, 70 END in isolation of course will not save you not even from a BK, you have to consider a player's gears and equips in their entirety.

as this post was done for stats on hellgaits.. i dont consider all the players gear.. thats it

[squilibrina]

Ahuh, and I suppose 3, 4, 5AM raids aren't hard for someone in the US to go to, 'specially when they have things like work or school, y'know, RL responsibilities.

I go when I can, which is usually on my days off. Or I nap during the evening to make up for the loss of sleep so I can stay up and go, even if I have work at 6AM lol x.x
<3 outside healing guild.
<3 jacking 1-2 stacks of T4 pots every run.

as i have previously said.. most of EU players at raids time r at work or at school... its not about wake up or stay in bed
go to work or school is a bit more important...

[squilibrina]

. It might be justifiable to be a little concerned about statted Helgaits but I think the non-statted ones are tolerable.

Tolerable????????????????? ....so for example..
Titanic Axe lvl 90 damage is 685-949
Hellgait Axe lvl 91 damage is 4368-6048...

this is tolerable???
we r doing such a big fuss.. on maybe 70 more end str and so on??????????

[squilibrina]

lol each time i try at last minute helga gets "accidently" turned away from the wall and kills off all the weaker (uncharmed) players.


thats a wierd coincidence isnt'it???

[squilibrina]

[QUOTE=alcatraz2k0;2142031]Again numot, you are completely disregarding a player's "damage tolerance" and what that entails when making a statement regarding the Helgaits. You cannot look at the 70 SPR in isolation because I would agree that 70 SPR alone will not save you against a Helgait wand or staff. However, 70 SPR taken in conjunction with your free stat build, weapon stats, armour stats, jewelry stats and so on contributes to your "damage tolerance". The greater the stats on the aformentioned items, the greater would be your damage tolerance and having godly stats on the said items should put you in a good position to withstand Helgait attacks.



im sorry but we all know now.. that free stat points or even godly gears on don't really make the big difference on players damage tolerance...
its all about sc items as charms.. extenders.. full +9 gears that make the real difference
u can have the best goldy gears on server.. but it still will be bloody hard survive a 70% charmed player
And it's our fault.. as i said before OS and OOS r there first of all to make money.. not to get us free fun
we r abusing..

[numot]

6K DMG on the axe (which won't miss). that should be substantial enough. But honestly, a fifth grader can see the discrepancy with little need for extensive explication.

but if you wish, consider:

25SPR/REST STR FIGHTER with Hellgait Axe +10 along with STR/END GEARS and a 5% Crit bonus from Lic. Mind you the bonus DMG from +10 Enhancements is Obscene. double the bonus from +9 i believe.


LOL any class with such a setup could murder anyone.

[arg0nn]

[QUOTE=Aeriex;2143561]Lmfao ~

We raid at 3-6 AM my time, central.
That is a six hour difference from England which is the furthest country in the EU West i believe. So we raid at 9AM-12PM their time.

dunno in your country...but we work or are at school at that time...

and one more thing about stats...if i can deal 6k damage instead 600...do u think i care about stats???imao
it's like if u'd find a 2k def armor...who needs stats in that case?
that's the point..is helgait a 120 weap?ok then...use it at 120!!
or is it the last "error" of the staff,like when blue weapons overspawned,or like when they unlocked the ultracharming??
cmooon ppl wake up..they are killing fiesta but you are overhelping them to do it...

[Aeriex]

6K DMG on the axe (which won't miss). that should be substantial enough. But honestly, a fifth grader can see the discrepancy with little need for extensive explication.

but if you wish, consider:

25SPR/REST STR FIGHTER with Hellgait Axe +10 along with STR/END GEARS and a 5% Crit bonus from Lic. Mind you the bonus DMG from +10 Enhancements is Obscene. double the bonus from +9 i believe.


LOL any class with such a setup could murder anyone.

Yes but enhancements on Hellgaits are also bugged. They only get what a level 70 weapon of the same type would get at +9.
I'm not sure about other drops but a +9 hellgait shield adds +130 def to it, doubled for +10, which looks ugly btw, only adds +260

[numot]

true regarding enhancements, but that will likely be fixed, however in the case of the axe, at +9, the damage bonus is around +681. so double that at +10 and you'll get +1362 DMG.....which is quite significant if u ask me.

[Aeriex]

If you don't have a hellgait shield you're not living though an axe anyway.
And that's the point. He's a level 120 epic boss. His rewards are meant to be amazing and the people that own them are supposed to be elite. And if you can shave off that much damage, you are ;P

[person6749]

If you don't have a hellgait shield you're not living though an axe anyway.
And that's the point. He's a level 120 epic boss. His rewards are meant to be amazing and the people that own them are supposed to be elite. And if you can shave off that much damage, you are ;P

To me there's nothing really "elite" about it, getting one is more a matter of luck and how much SC you spend. What ever happened to character builds and PVP tactics? Now it's just a matter of hellgait, or no hellgait. Yeah I'm looking forward to being PK'd in abyss by these new "elitists."

[Selkice]

To me there's nothing really "elite" about it, getting one is more a matter of luck and how much SC you spend. What ever happened to character builds and PVP tactics? Now it's just a matter of hellgait, or no hellgait. Yeah I'm looking forward to being PK'd in abyss by these new "elitists."

Ive heard rumors of the hellgait weapons bieng severely downgraded by the next patch... But I hear alot of really wierd things... anyone else hear anything about this?

[numot]

ThEy areNt gonnA get downgraded. OS likes their pockets too much...ahem...i mean moneY>>>>Balanced gameplay. and ROFL on the comment about only "elite" players getting them. There is no skill involved in fiesta at this point. it isnt about crafty or intelligent you are, its about luck, SC and ....oh w8 MOAR SC -.- so many clueless noobs classified as "elite".[-----]

and even with the shield, ur not living through the axe.

[Aeriex]

I don't want then to downgrade Hellgaits. They're a level 120 weapon, they're supposed to be pro. Using them next cap will be amazing. Well see after cap. I'll let the guildies whack at me with an axe if Hubby lets me borrow his shield ;]

[person6749]

I don't want then to downgrade Hellgaits. They're a level 120 weapon, they're supposed to be pro. Using them next cap will be amazing. Well see after cap. I'll let the guildies whack at me with an axe if Hubby lets me borrow his shield ;]

That's the problem is they're a lvl120 boss weapon that lvl91s can use... if they had their proper level requirement of 120, then it wouldn't be an issue. And being ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced isn't what I would call "pro."

Whatever, not much use me arguing about it, it's not going to change. It's just another set up for Outspark to milk more cash from the players. Make something they can't resist, that'll make them practically invincible no matter how much they suck, that they'll do whatever it takes and spend every nickel and dime they own to get their hands on one.

[Aeriex]

Its an Epic boss drop that takes Several people to kill and tons of SC at this cap. Boo hoo People use SC to get them, SC is part of the game, Its inevitable, get over it. If you want to play a game without the CS then find a P2P game; OS is a business and it is in GOOD besiness practice to advertise their product, the game, to the consumer, anyone who plays. So if adding things to the CS that makes raiding or the game in general easier, then they are practicing good business. Give the people what they want, then they'll buy it. Consumers 101.

Oh darn they are seemingly overpowered as of right now. They're are not as rare as they used to be and only a few people had them, then there would be a problem, but there are 80 on Apoline a lone now, its not hard to farm Helga, its done daily. Everyone will get one eventually, just make friends with those who raid or join a guild that seems to raid frequently.

[djddmd69]

well if u want the truth OS is business sense true so if they gonna nerf hellgaits which they should since no way in hell should a weapon 6lvls higher be 3x damage and 2.5x aim of the 6lvls b4 that but back to the point you think they would say " o ya stop spending ur money on the nightly raids since we nerfing the items any way" lol come on they "been looking into balancing issue since the 59 cap and fighter still can skill spam blue cleric sets broken yet nothing heck even 10hours of not be able to log on heck last time atleast they gave us the items they wasted our time with back. Dont get me wrong on my Rant i love fiesta and most the people on it but its the content thats lacking not the CS items, so maybe they might Listen fix the game before you add to it im sick of 'fail patches' that break more then they fix I appologize about the rant just frusterated so enjoy the game and the friends you have take care

-sure_shot Archer

[person6749]

They're are not as rare as they used to be and only a few people had them, then there would be a problem, but there are 80 on Apoline a lone now, its not hard to farm Helga, its done daily. Everyone will get one eventually, just make friends with those who raid or join a guild that seems to raid frequently.

Then that contradicts your whole portrayal of them being an "epic boss drop" "for the elite", if everyone gets them. Even then, that overrides so many factors of the game, it's like everyone having an invincible hammer at once... plus all the other level 90/100/110/120 weapons will be completely worthless. Have fun using the same weapon for 39 levels.

Also regarding Outspark and their business practice, they've done a lot of dirty things in the past to trick people out of money, such as claiming something to be entirely exclusive to rare finds so the hardcore SC users will spam play rare finds until they get one or even several. Then 2 days later release it in the regular store for everyone else to buy. I can't bring myself to respect their methods. I've played plenty other MMOs with premium items and currencies, and none of them have distorted the balance of the game in order to milk money off of hooked players with bottomless pockets. I have no problem with premium content just being a fun, and helpful addition to the game, I've spent plenty SC myself don't get me wrong, I just don't appreciate these kind of slaps in the face to long supportive customers.

P.S. sorry about the rant didn't mean to get off topic

[Aeriex]

Even then, that overrides so many factors of the game, it's like everyone having an invincible hammer at once... plus all the other level 90/100/110/120 weapons will be completely worthless. Have fun using the same weapon for 39 levels.



Its a Hellgait, i'm sure I will @.@
Keeps me from having to enhance for four weapon / shield sets :]

[DF001]

I don't want then to downgrade Hellgaits. They're a level 120 weapon, they're supposed to be pro. Using them next cap will be amazing. Well see after cap. I'll let the guildies whack at me with an axe if Hubby lets me borrow his shield ;]

Eh, Aeyr, that's the point, they're level 120 weapons on other versions, but they are level 91 on this version, Outspark themselves said that they reduced the required level so players could enhance use them earlier.

[maestromindtake]

Then that contradicts your whole portrayal of them being an "epic boss drop" "for the elite", if everyone gets them. Even then, that overrides so many factors of the game, it's like everyone having an invincible hammer at once... plus all the other level 90/100/110/120 weapons will be completely worthless. Have fun using the same weapon for 39 levels

hmmm you make a good point here...... In fact this needs some background music, where's my violin?

and yes having the same weapon for 39 lvls I will have fun :D


Also regarding Outspark and their business practice, they've done a lot of dirty things in the past to trick people out of money, such as claiming something to be entirely exclusive to rare finds so the hardcore SC users will spam play rare finds until they get one or even several. Then 2 days later release it in the regular store for everyone else to buy. I can't bring myself to respect their methods. I've played plenty other MMOs with premium items and currencies, and none of them have distorted the balance of the game in order to milk money off of hooked players with bottomless pockets. I have no problem with premium content just being a fun, and helpful addition to the game, I've spent plenty SC myself don't get me wrong, I just don't appreciate these kind of slaps in the face to long supportive customers.

As to this bit I have a few things to point out...

"I have no problem with premium content just being a fun, and helpful addition to the game, I've spent plenty SC myself don't get me wrong, I just don't appreciate these kind of slaps in the face to long supportive customers."

you completely contradict yourself there you complain about "dirty" business tactics but you show yourself as someone who has fallen prey to such tactics, if you don't like the "slap in the face" you're getting then go back to one of the other games you play, and btw if you do go...

Just remember OS loves you and thanks you for your money

[numot]

Aeyr is one of those girls who doesn't seem to consider the facets and/or significance of the greater good and is perfectly content frolicking with her hubby kill stuff in pvp with a broken pvp system. little regard to balance as she slays mobs with a fighters efficiency, and lols/<3 :3 as her hubbster OHKO's none helga users/users alike as fiesta evolves into a horrid ballet of the weak and unfortunate accentuated by the utter mad stupidity of guild wars precipitated by no defense glass cannon nellys.....seems fiesta is the correct home for such individuals....*turns on xbox*

[Aeriex]

Aeyr is one of those girls who doesn't seem to consider the facets and/or significance of the greater good and is perfectly content frolicking with her hubby kill stuff in pvp with a broken pvp system. little regard to balance as she slays mobs with a fighters efficiency, and lols/<3 :3 as her hubbster OHKO's none helga users/users alike as fiesta evolves into a horrid ballet of the weak and unfortunate accentuated by the utter mad stupidity of guild wars precipitated by no defense glass cannon nellys.....seems fiesta is the correct home for such individuals....*turns on xbox*

Bit dramatic much? @.@

This is a game. We are talking about over-powered pixels. If I don't seem to care much, that's why >.o

And btw I go into PVP once a week, maybe. I am a cleric I have a fundamental hate for PvP. I'm usually there for guild events and when I'm forced in by Noble so he can beat on me without it looking like spousal abuse >.<

[chaos-reaper]

Aeyr is one of those girls who doesn't seem to consider the facets and/or significance of the greater good and is perfectly content frolicking with her hubby kill stuff in pvp with a broken pvp system. little regard to balance as she slays mobs with a fighters efficiency, and lols/<3 :3 as her hubbster OHKO's none helga users/users alike as fiesta evolves into a horrid ballet of the weak and unfortunate accentuated by the utter mad stupidity of guild wars precipitated by no defense glass cannon nellys.....seems fiesta is the correct home for such individuals....*turns on xbox*
lol!!! Its a game....x.x dont get worked up over pixels. Leave Aeyr alone!!!

[numot]

its a game. Games should be balanced. i don't see why you don't get that -.- Its the same principle that allows anti-hack software/policies to exisit in online games.

[person6749]

you completely contradict yourself there you complain about "dirty" business tactics but you show yourself as someone who has fallen prey to such tactics, if you don't like the "slap in the face" you're getting then go back to one of the other games you play, and btw if you do go...

Just remember OS loves you and thanks you for your money

I'm not saying all Sparkcash purchases are falling prey to dirty tactics, it's just that Outspark, in my opinion, has taken some inappropriate measures to milk money from the hardcore SC spenders. I think it would be great if there were more happy players spending moderately, then the center of their profit being just the fewer SC addicts spending uncontrollably.

Here's my take on this whole Hellgait thing which I think can bring a lot of this to light...

Level cap is currently 89 ~ Helga is a 120 boss that's supposed to drop level 120 weapons.

They include Helga anyway even tho the level cap is only 89... they even lower the level requirement of his weapon drops to 91. Not far form 89, this gets people anxious. But why not 90 even better right? No, just think how many people will +9 lvl90 weapons just for that 1 level.

After the first successful raid, it becomes routine in sake of farming these lvl91 godly Hellgaits. Outspark sees how much money they're making from the raids, and increase the spawn frequency and even release a "Helga Raid Pack."

They give several hints about a level cap raise, then everyone will be able to use their Hellgaits right? The tension gets higher and the race for the Hellgaits picks up. But the cap raise doesn't come... and still doesn't come... how convenient.

And now... statted Hellgaits. Not only will these hardcore players have to enhance a new set of weapons... they won't just be satisfied from getting a Hellgait, they'll raid and raid until they get THE BEST Hellgait. Money in the pocket.

Is anyone else seeing where I'm coming from on this? >_> Hellgaits being used at level 91 is going to seriously throw the game off balance just for the sake of Outspark being able to milk money off these people.

[t3nchi]

They include Helga anyway even tho the level cap is only 89... they even lower the level requirement of his weapon drops to 91. Not far form 89, this gets people anxious. But why not 90 even better right? No, just think how many people will +9 lvl90 weapons just for that 1 level.



uhm .. if people do that they're STUPID! and honestly i doubt that will happen .. just how many lv80 weps u see being +9'ed nowadays ??? hmm about 1 in every 150 that drops? because the BK is lv85 and people wait 5 levels! my lv 70 axe went along way till i could use my BK!..so why the hell would they +9 something to change it in 1 lvl! -.- lol if you have a 2h hellgait there's absolutely NO reason to +9 a lvl 90 2h just to wait 1 lvl and then have to +9 ur hellgait! xD think about it alot of ppl used thier lv 70 weps to 85..thats 15 lvls ... BKs are 85 ..so who would not just wait those 6 lvls?? X__x

[vandaluske]

Level cap is currently 89 ~ Helga is a 120 boss that's supposed to drop level 120 weapons.

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Exactly dude.. They don't understand wth there doing. Imagine a Lvl 56 running around with a damn bk it's the same frikn Senerio
Yes there suppose to be godly becuz there from one of the hardest monsters but it's stupid to let a lvl 91 use a weapon 29 lvls early we don't want them weaker just put the lvl rqmt back to it's "original lvl" os you bunch of greedy scrubs....

[zerozone01]

2. Only people who appraoch that number are full Dex archers, and they can only break 1K Eva with a t4 Scroll. so essentially that doesnt count.


1260 with t4.. over 1300 with marage buff i guess


on with the hellgait weapons.... I will never enter pvp again after cap raise

[TITLE]

1260 with t4.. over 1300 with marage buff i guess


on with the hellgait weapons.... I will never enter pvp again after cap raise


>_> I wa- I need that.. I gotta have that.. I need that eva.. Lol.. guess where that line came from? :rolleyes:

Yes the terror of a Helgait's aim -_-

[tracyzap]

so after 16 pages, do we have an aswer yet as to if they're just removing them, or keeping them?

[Jessav]

i think one thing .....
this game would have to be freee!!
it's on the game's spots
it's in the outspark's site
it's in the other sites' banners..
now it's impossible to be strong enough without spending tons of bucks and abusing of my credit card...
so i'm nomore strong as i was when the game was balanced..
and now helgait's weaps have stats..
thanks a lot outspark....

Mmm... I only spent money on a Beauty Shop Coupon and I was doing quite fine.

Yes I'm only level 52 so I still have a lot to level, but I play the game for fun and for me. Of course there are people with every single SC item that have 10000% crit more than me, but whatever... play the game for fun and for you, don't play thinking on what other people have or do.

Fiesta is free, there is no charge for playing it.

[Aeriex]

so after 16 pages, do we have an aswer yet as to if they're just removing them, or keeping them?

Nope. None at all.

[numot]

Mmm... I only spent money on a Beauty Shop Coupon and I was doing quite fine.

Yes I'm only level 52 so I still have a lot to level, but I play the game for fun and for me. Of course there are people with every single SC item that have 10000% crit more than me, but whatever... play the game for fun and for you, don't play thinking on what other people have or do.

Fiesta is free, there is no charge for playing it.

have fun sucking at the end-game -.-

[t3nchi]

Ok for all those complaining/worried about being able to weild hellgait early. Im sure in doing this OS will have to change the 9x gears/weps stats or it WOULD be an OBVIOUS imbalance! I mean OS miss a few stuff here and there but i doubt this would be one of them (or atleast hope not). But really in lowering the level req. im pretty sure the gears will have higher stats to compensate. If not, then im not even gona go in pvp when capp raises, ...plus ill be too busy trying to capp.. xD

[TITLE]

Also keep in mind the new coming base stats of the lv90+ gears. No clue has been given out of their outcome. They might just simply have a 20-40 jump of def/mdef/eva instead of 8-12 or so. I wouldn't recommend looking at other sites to confirm things, but it doesn't hurt to believe.

I wouldn't care if they nerf Helgaits now or later, after 120, I'm going back to PvP when the balance of dmg arrives, hopefully.

[Aeriex]

^ I agree.


Maint tonight.
Is anything going to be done about the drops?

[kouturoq]

I'm starting to wonder why we even ask questions when an answer is rarely ever given.

- Hellgait +9 damage bonus
- The new HG stats
- Anything going to be done with armour to help against HG dmg
etc etc

We keep talking, we keep asking. No answers.

[TITLE]

^ I agree.


Maint tonight.
Is anything going to be done about the drops?


I highly doubt it. Most likely they'll leave the drops as is until the cap raise. Seeing the snail pace of Angels and Demons, it won't be for a while.

[alcatraz2k0]

I'm starting to wonder why we even ask questions when an answer is rarely ever given.

- Hellgait +9 damage bonus
- The new HG stats
- Anything going to be done with armour to help against HG dmg
etc etc

We keep talking, we keep asking. No answers.

For the most part, OS has been silent on the issues regarding Helgaits save and except for the brief statements by Silkypico and Rayse that they are 'looking into' the situation. OS, therefore, knows of all the issues and concerns regarding Helgaits, so it is just a matter of waiting and seeing if anything is done. In the meantime, Perfect World anyone? Or a little WoW maybe?

[DincaTinel]

For the most part, OS has been silent on the issues regarding Helgaits save and except for the brief statements by Silkypico and Rayse that they are 'looking into' the situation. OS, therefore, knows of all the issues and concerns regarding Helgaits, so it is just a matter of waiting and seeing if anything is done. In the meantime, Perfect World anyone? Or a little WoW maybe?

Well in all the other fiesta versions helgaits dosent have stats and by sayd they are aware and loking into it it means they didnt expected i tink is a bug and the helgait stats wil be removed :o(just the stats)

[kouturoq]

Hurrah to the generic, "We're looking into it" response.
That totally answers our questions. Gotta love the excellent communication.

WoW is tempting me.


Well in all the other fiesta versions helgaits dosent have stats and by sayd they are aware and loking into it it means they didnt expected i tink is a bug and the helgait stats wil be removed :o(just the stats)

You know that the other versions don't have stats how?
I'd like to see where ya got that info from ;o
'Cause on the other versions, weaps like BK/BKLs have stats, but our version doesn't. So~ it could be the same, that HG have stats on the other versions but not on ours.

[Plushii]

Sorry if I'm slightly necroing this thread XD but we haven't got answers yet @.@

Will Hellgaits with stats be removed?
Or will only the stats dissapear?

[spectershadow]

honestly, i hope hellgait wepons keep coming, they went from insanely overpriced to 50gold =3

at this rate illbe able to afford one when im 91 XD

[kouturoq]

^^^ Yea HG are getting really cheap now xD On Apo I believe our HG bows are selling for 18~25g. rofl.

[andrey1990]

If I'll ever see a helga fighter wepon for 10gold, I'm gonna buy it o.o

[kouturoq]

LMFAO ^^^ Now that's a little hopeful, considering fighter gear is the most expensive. xD I don't think anyone will want to sell them just yet, 'specially that low.

[MattS2Rachel]

sorry if i'm slightly necroing this thread xd but we haven't got answers yet @.@

will hellgaits with stats be removed?
Or will only the stats dissapear?

tell us the answer

[Plushii]

tell us the answer

XD Ask GM's