Are We Stuck-Up Snobs?

[xavier_swift]

I've been getting this vibe from the other classes for quite some time now. Does anyone else feel like other classes think we hold ourselves on a higher pedestal than them?

[Diatomic]

never! don't think so.

[Mirluna]

I don't think you guys hold yourselves up higher than us. :3 Other fighters on the other hand, thats a different story. ._.

[xNimue]

Yes.
We do.
At least I do.
But I'm mean!!!!
Not really.





To be honest, I think they sometimes look down on clerics. We're a pretty helpless class, for reasons discussed in numberous cleric-build threads on this sub forum. >.> At least thats the vibe I get from being 8x. -.-

[Blackremnant]

I'm a fighter, so I don't know if my opinion matters much, but I think clerics do snob-like things very often. the other day when i was in uruga, my friend and i were going to go kill GH. I went up to a cleric who I had just seen buffing someone, and I asked for a buff (I didn't say anything rude like "BuFf Pl0X" cuz i feel that is just mean. I said "May i please have a buff for boss killing?"). He just stood there for a long time, so i assumed he was afk. after i left, I saw somebody walk up to him and he mysteriously was not afk. after I saw that, I walked back up to him and asked for a buff again. AFK AGAIN.
I got another cleric to buff me, and as I was walking down the uru stairs, he whispered me "Did you ever get buffed? ^^ ?"
I didn't know if this was a simple question or an insult, but it really brought down my views of clerics.
I know clerics get asked for buffs every few seconds/minutes, and I realize that you get tired of wasting stones and SP on people you don't know, but if someone comes and politely asks for a buff which they would actually make good use of, why would you refuse them?

[Myn19]

Requesting permission to be stupid..nevermind,it's easier to say sorry than can i :p


YES!YES!!!You are!!YES! :mad:(refering to the title)
I saw a person so desperate for a buff he said:"Please honour me with a buff"
:eek: T_T,that's just sad

You might get these vibes if you always refuse parties ask for full typed pleases or the likes,other than that you have no reason to feel guilty for belonging to a class.:)

[xavier_swift]

Requesting permission to be stupid..nevermind,it's easier to say sorry than can i :p


YES!YES!!!You are!!YES! :mad:(refering to the title)
I saw a person so desperate for a buff he said:"Please honour me with a buff"
:eek: T_T,that's just sad

You might get these vibes if you always refuse parties ask for full typed pleases or the likes,other than that you have no reason to feel guilty for belonging to a class.:)

Well....I'm a soloer by nature, so I tend to reject party invites alot.

[Myn19]

I'm a fighter, so I don't know if my opinion matters much, but I think clerics do snob-like things very often. the other day when i was in uruga, my friend and i were going to go kill GH. I went up to a cleric who I had just seen buffing someone, and I asked for a buff (I didn't say anything rude like "BuFf Pl0X" cuz i feel that is just mean. I said "May i please have a buff for boss killing?"). He just stood there for a long time, so i assumed he was afk. after i left, I saw somebody walk up to him and he mysteriously was not afk. after I saw that, I walked back up to him and asked for a buff again. AFK AGAIN.
I got another cleric to buff me, and as I was walking down the uru stairs, he whispered me "Did you ever get buffed? ^^ ?"
I didn't know if this was a simple question or an insult, but it really brought down my views of clerics.
I know clerics get asked for buffs every few seconds/minutes, and I realize that you get tired of wasting stones and SP on people you don't know, but if someone comes and politely asks for a buff which they would actually make good use of, why would you refuse them?

You know,he may have asked u that because people don't often ask that nice unless they're desperate,new or just special lol, well,desperate can be interpreted as in you used to be mean in asking and you never got buffed so you gave up and try *nicely*,try putting some form of smile or icon so it doesn't look forced,he may have been just mean though XD.

Btw,I consider wasting sp a huge bs,no one uses sp pots nowadays,they can just ask almost anyone for sp pots anytime and they would most likely get for free.I have alot of cleric friends which i asked to exchange sp for hp because i'm a fighter for now,they all said they either didn't have which is rly strange for a cleric or refused the sp pots saying they don't need.

[devilia]

My main is a cleric and I agree with black some clerics do snob-like things as if they are high and might and your merely a peasant. For instance, I once kindly ask another cleric to buff me while on my alt and instead of buffing me she mocked me by buffing herself several times. I know what your thinking, no I was not in a guild war because at that time my alt was not in a guild. I felt so hurt then, and promised myself if she ever need rev in kq or anything like that I would never rev her.

At the end of the day I think being snobbish rubs off one person to the next, because this class is not the only snobbish one -_- *cough, cough ar- cough -chers* ....

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

@devilia

Well buddy cleric's get treated like they are nothing in this game, maybe this cleric was having one of those days where she didn't want to buff and stuff. Just because your main is a cleric doesn't mean your alt are entitled to a buff, I'm not saying that's what you meant but it does come off like that...

If one cleric won't buff there are others who will, one cleric's actions doesn't define the whole class.

[Myn19]

Well....I'm a soloer by nature, so I tend to reject party invites alot.

Right,I bet the other clerics that refuse parties are all soloers LOL,in reality only about 5%-10% of the solo clerics solo because they're loners.
I've seen clerics solo and be proud of it because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down

Message for those kind of clerics:

You don't make up for poor natural damage with +9ed weps,because your skills aren't at all offensive,you have 2 atack skills,one which is broken and one which deals the same damage as normal atack....=_='',also,even with all points in strength the damage doesn't compare to the other classes..need I mention the fact that you're the class with no offensive aoe?
Exp-wise you're better off with a party

You probably heard of those,sorry you get confused as being one of them by some.:(

[xavier_swift]

Right,I bet the other clerics that refuse parties are all soloers LOL,in reality only about 5%-10% of the solo clerics solo because they're loners.
I've seen clerics solo and be proud of it because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down

Message for those kind of clerics:

You don't make up for poor natural damage with +9ed weps,because your skills aren't at all offensive,you have 2 atack skills,one which is broken and one which deals the same damage as normal atack....=_='',also,even with all points in strength the damage doesn't compare to the other classes..need I mention the fact that you're the class with no offensive aoe?
Exp-wise you're better off with a party

You probably heard of those,sorry you get confused as being one of them by some.:(

Ummm...I'm not a total loner irl, and I'm a 25SPR Rst STR cleric as well. Also, not all STR clerics care about out damaging the other classes. We do it to be able to solo effieciently when a party is unavailable. Besides, theirs a solo cleric branch in the 3rd job change, so we have something to work towards

[xNimue]

Right,I bet the other clerics that refuse parties are all soloers LOL,in reality only about 5%-10% of the solo clerics solo because they're loners.
I've seen clerics solo and be proud of it because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down

Message for those kind of clerics:

You don't make up for poor natural damage with +9ed weps,because your skills aren't at all offensive,you have 2 atack skills,one which is broken and one which deals the same damage as normal atack....=_='',also,even with all points in strength the damage doesn't compare to the other classes..need I mention the fact that you're the class with no offensive aoe?
Exp-wise you're better off with a party

You probably heard of those,sorry you get confused as being one of them by some.:(


Myn, as I said in my reply, I've come across xavier_swift in another post and this same issue was raised, -.-.



Ummm...I'm not a total loner irl, and I'm a 25SPR Rst STR cleric as well. Also, not all STR clerics care about out damaging the other classes. We do it to be able to solo effieciently when a party is unavailable. Besides, theirs a solo cleric branch in the 3rd job change, so we have something to work towards

As I stated in previous threads xavier_swift, it is unlikely that clerics will be able to effectively solo. That class branch out, despite the job description and considering the skills that clerics get given, is most likely meant to be a cleric tanking class. Not a solo. We grab aggro with our skills, that's it. Feel free to waste your time bashing and your skill points on a stat point that leaves you being squishy like mages~ I'll stick to being full end with 7k+ hp >.>

[xavier_swift]

Myn, as I said in my reply, I've come across xavier_swift in another post and this same issue was raised, -.-.




As I stated in previous threads xavier_swift, it is unlikely that clerics will be able to effectively solo. That class branch out, despite the job description and considering the skills that clerics get given, is most likely meant to be a cleric tanking class. Not a solo. We grab aggro with our skills, that's it. Feel free to waste your time bashing and your skill points on a stat point that leaves you being squishy like mages~ I'll stick to being full end with 7k+ hp >.>

Well, that is your choice, I respect that. However, the way you talk about it is quite derogatory IMO. I do just fine soloing, I doubt that will drastically change when I get to higher lvls. I'm not that squishy, and I survive longer than most of my party mates.

[zues8844]

I'm with nimue here. You absolutely cannot solo efficiently. Takes you an hour and a half to kill something that takes a squishy mage 30 minutes.

Second, you're not snobs. That's what we fighters are. Go make another title for clerics >.>

[faeona]

That cleric soloing will be over with in the 7x or better be by then because you get to 8x you'll fail because bashing and bleeding/tripping through Nixs, Cores, Moles and Kidmons will suck the desire of capping right out of you. Period. :D


It's not snob behavior, it's just down right rudness. Frequently, clerics are inconsiderate enough in Elderine to stand next to Shustian and pretend to be afk or just ignore those who plead for a buff. They do this for whatever kicks they get out of antagonizing other classes. Shame on them. To make up for such rudeness, I go on a T4 buffing spree everyday that I play and I get a whole lot more out of kindness than anyone who plays their cleric with such disdain.


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[Celtic_Princess]

I think individual players in each class support the stereotypes, but I don't think the cleric class as a whole is stuck up.

I often buff people, and if I don't its probably because I'm swamped with mobs and the person happened to decide to stand right on top of me and spam 'buff plx'. To me, thats rude. I don't interrupt you while you're mobbing, please wait till I'm done. In my opinion its just as stuck up for another class to demand a buff of me at the possible expense of my own life and exp as it is for me to refuse to give it.

As for soloing, there are times where I just don't feel like being around people. Maybe I've had a bad day, maybe I'm a little tempermental and may I just want some time to cool off. In those cases I will solo, and I will reject PT invites until I'm relaxed.

I will also reject pt invites if I'm lagging terribly. I don't want someone elses life in my hands when I'm getting major lag spikes every 30 seconds. I consider that responsible...not stuck up.

So again, I believe that in many cases it is either a case of miscommunication or its that one player out of every 30 that happens to be the 'stuck up' cleric that supports the stereotype. :)

[xavier_swift]

I'm with nimue here. You absolutely cannot solo efficiently. Takes you an hour and a half to kill something that takes a squishy mage 30 minutes.

Second, you're not snobs. That's what we fighters are. Go make another title for clerics >.>

So what if it takes longer to solo? Doesn't make it impossible to do so. That's what I dislike about most comments about soloing clerics. They act like we are fail players, and don't know what we are doing. I don't care how long it takes, the reward afterwards more than makes up for it.

It's not like I don't party. For dungeon quests or places where the amount of monsters is just overwhelming, I will most likely grab someone to help me out.

[mehe25]

Many of the other classes are extremely picky about healing, I don't know how many times I was actualy HOW to heal. And they didn't even have a cleric char!

But then again, it depends on the person.

Then again(Second time XD), there are noticable trends that the other classes follow which annoy the crap out of us.


As I stated in previous threads xavier_swift, it is unlikely that clerics will be able to effectively solo. That class branch out, despite the job description and considering the skills that clerics get given, is most likely meant to be a cleric tanking class. Not a solo. We grab aggro with our skills, that's it. Feel free to waste your time bashing and your skill points on a stat point that leaves you being squishy like mages~ I'll stick to being full end with 7k+ hp >.>

Its what he prefers, he never said anything about soloing super efficiently, just soloing faster.

[dwn1byz]

Myn, as I said in my reply, I've come across xavier_swift in another post and this same issue was raised, -.-.




As I stated in previous threads xavier_swift, it is unlikely that clerics will be able to effectively solo. That class branch out, despite the job description and considering the skills that clerics get given, is most likely meant to be a cleric tanking class. Not a solo. We grab aggro with our skills, that's it. Feel free to waste your time bashing and your skill points on a stat point that leaves you being squishy like mages~ I'll stick to being full end with 7k+ hp >.>first of all lets just get things straight! i am a cleric (kronuss) that loves to solo... partially because its fun...and partially because most people treat us like slaves in a party.k.. lets say you got a party of 4-5 with only one cleric. first thing you notice is that everyone stops worrying about their health cause theres a cleric in there party... then they all want to tank and pull the agro... while some are squishy and take a crazy beating...its nothing compared to the beating the cleric's keyboard is taking from trying to heal and keep alive everyone at one time...second thing you notice is that when they feel they are in real danger cause they just agroed a big pack...they run straight for the cleric. now the cleric is fighting for his life and yours. then you get blamed cause some idiot didn't know his place and died.after which they take all the drops or whisper to freinds to come take drops so they dont have to split with the cleric that just kept their butts alive.i feel that fiesta is losing alot of people due to the fact of rudeness...and the lack of respect.for the record i have not quit but am injoying a break from all the chaos and drama...sorry to all the people that think im rude or just playing them... but there are to many people on fiesta that create alt accounts just for scamming then want to get mad at the people that got scammed cause they dont trust anyone. and pertaining to the buff situation... "i think" buffs should only be availible for those in the clerics party. that would save the drama and let people remember how to play the game without a buff... no more playless days for the clerics having to stand in town buffing for hours... and give back the needed respect that the cleric deserves.:cool:also it would take the chance away for the cleric's who think it is funny to make someone beg for a buff by dancing or spelling out the whole word please. and remember clerics we have low damage but we have the ability to heal and buff. so for the clerics buffing people going into pvp kq...all your doing is sealing the fate of your fellow cleric by increasing the health of a damage dealer... now they got high health and high damage... and the low damage healer stands no chance. which means less people wanting to play clerics and more people needing the service of the cleric's buff...this is a irreversible cycle that would not be happening if the cleric could only buff his party members with the exception that the buff would go away as soon as the party statis ended....these are just my thoughts... but it might make for a more injoyable fiesta. ALSO FOR GODS SAKE FEISTA....MAKE THE GUILD WARS ONLY AVAILIBLE IN OX FEILD OR FBZ
SO THE REST OF US STOP LAGGING TO DEATH IN TOWN. thnx for listening...and sorry if i offended anyone's point of veiw.

[globule]

Right,I bet the other clerics that refuse parties are all soloers LOL,in reality only about 5%-10% of the solo clerics solo because they're loners.
I've seen clerics solo and be proud of it because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down

Message for those kind of clerics:

You don't make up for poor natural damage with +9ed weps,because your skills aren't at all offensive,you have 2 atack skills,one which is broken and one which deals the same damage as normal atack....=_='',also,even with all points in strength the damage doesn't compare to the other classes..need I mention the fact that you're the class with no offensive aoe?
Exp-wise you're better off with a party

You probably heard of those,sorry you get confused as being one of them by some.:(

For what its worth, I usually solo on my cleric as
a) I am in no hurry, taking 3 days to do a quest a piece at a time is not a problem for me
b) Strangely, I like to have drops from time to time
c) Even more strangely, I enjoy getting green weps and armors too, from time to time

The few times I accepted a random invite usually ended up with
-> keep the others healed [which I am pretty good and enjoy doing]
-> Not see any drops [well... when lucky I had the broken bones left]
-> clearly not see any greens
-> of course allocation is always on free
-> once their quest is done, *pouf* party is dismissed they teleport and I am left to finish mine alone

After a few instances of that, I find it easier on me to do them alone anyway, more positives than negatives doing it that way.
Only time I party is with guildies/family where we do have an understanding already and share the drops.

So no, soloers are not only 'because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down'.

[Myn19]

Myn, as I said in my reply, I've come across xavier_swift in another post and this same issue was raised, -.-.




As I stated in previous threads xavier_swift, it is unlikely that clerics will be able to effectively solo. That class branch out, despite the job description and considering the skills that clerics get given, is most likely meant to be a cleric tanking class. Not a solo. We grab aggro with our skills, that's it. Feel free to waste your time bashing and your skill points on a stat point that leaves you being squishy like mages~ I'll stick to being full end with 7k+ hp >.>

Don't talk with me about how many times issues have been raised,I've seen 2 threads as long(same things and more) as the rant thread for clerics of now and alot of smaller threads over time T_T,some things never change =P


Quote:
Originally Posted by Myn19
Right,I bet the other clerics that refuse parties are all soloers LOL,in reality only about 5%-10% of the solo clerics solo because they're loners.
I've seen clerics solo and be proud of it because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down

Message for those kind of clerics:

You don't make up for poor natural damage with +9ed weps,because your skills aren't at all offensive,you have 2 atack skills,one which is broken and one which deals the same damage as normal atack....=_='',also,even with all points in strength the damage doesn't compare to the other classes..need I mention the fact that you're the class with no offensive aoe?
Exp-wise you're better off with a party

You probably heard of those,sorry you get confused as being one of them by some.

Ummm...I'm not a total loner irl, and I'm a 25SPR Rst STR cleric as well. Also, not all STR clerics care about out damaging the other classes. We do it to be able to solo effieciently when a party is unavailable. Besides, theirs a solo cleric branch in the 3rd job change, so we have something to work towards

Who mentioned rl?I understand all classes can fufill more roles than the original ones,clerics can also tank,mages can also lure,archers can tank(dots r quite useful at keeping aggro),fighters can also be dds.:cool:
But all these make more sense than a cleric becoming a dd XD,for the reasons I already mentioned,this isn't directed at you xavier.

I believe clerics are the best soloers moneywise ,but most people get bored...
The servers are almost always on at least medium,I'm sure you can find someone to party lol,but that's just the way you're planning on gaming,it's not my business or nice of me to impose a way of playing I consider better.

I also have and had clerics and I like partying most of the time.Just do what you like most:D I'm not trying to change the way you play,was just trying to help you understand why you got those vibes XD,finding a way to stop them is your job =P


I think individual players in each class support the stereotypes, but I don't think the cleric class as a whole is stuck up.

I often buff people, and if I don't its probably because I'm swamped with mobs and the person happened to decide to stand right on top of me and spam 'buff plx'. To me, thats rude. I don't interrupt you while you're mobbing, please wait till I'm done. In my opinion its just as stuck up for another class to demand a buff of me at the possible expense of my own life and exp as it is for me to refuse to give it.

As for soloing, there are times where I just don't feel like being around people. Maybe I've had a bad day, maybe I'm a little tempermental and may I just want some time to cool off. In those cases I will solo, and I will reject PT invites until I'm relaxed.

I will also reject pt invites if I'm lagging terribly. I don't want someone elses life in my hands when I'm getting major lag spikes every 30 seconds. I consider that responsible...not stuck up.

So again, I believe that in many cases it is either a case of miscommunication or its that one player out of every 30 that happens to be the 'stuck up' cleric that supports the stereotype.

:Db,It never crossed my mind that the person may be having a bad day,I never engage in an activity I love when I'm mad or sad,I feel like it's tainting the experience o.O,so the idea is quite foreign to me :o

About the lag,I usualy just say in pty chat I'm lagging terribly so I just leave and vend or something...
Fiesta has many new players so miscomunication is quite common,alot of clerics in robo seemed just...lost o_o''

It's nice how sometimes persons with authority makes a remark that is enlightening and final.I really didn't know what else to say after this,inspiration hit me on the way of reading the posts and really i've only commented on what you've said.

[Myn19]

For what its worth, I usually solo on my cleric as
a) I am in no hurry, taking 3 days to do a quest a piece at a time is not a problem for me
b) Strangely, I like to have drops from time to time
c) Even more strangely, I enjoy getting green weps and armors too, from time to time

The few times I accepted a random invite usually ended up with
-> keep the others healed [which I am pretty good and enjoy doing]
-> Not see any drops [well... when lucky I had the broken bones left]
-> clearly not see any greens
-> of course allocation is always on free
-> once their quest is done, *pouf* party is dismissed they teleport and I am left to finish mine alone

After a few instances of that, I find it easier on me to do them alone anyway, more positives than negatives doing it that way.
Only time I party is with guildies/family where we do have an understanding already and share the drops.

So no, soloers are not only 'because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down'.

You quoted me,have you read anything other than the writing in magenta,should I edit it and make it all coloured?=_='''
Sorry,but I mentioned that there are people like you,5-10% remember?
Don't make me seem like a bullheaded person,if you want to argue percentages sure,but don't take into account only a part of what I said.

*EDIT:Lol,I made the same mistake,I forgot to comment on the other things you said because the last line occupied my full view and I got really annoyed.

Sounds like you got very bad parties,I have a cleric too and it happened to me too but I'm lucky enough to have friends that I party now,but did you get only those type of parties?

I've met clerics on my fighter who sugest that we do our quests together,whoevers is closer gets done first,it usualy goes like I get one quest done then she does or I get 2 then hers gets done and etc,they specificaly asked that we BOTH do our quests,I was amazed because I thought it was common sense,I usualy don't party random people so I didn't know of the people that *pouf* as you put it so eloquently XD.....but a few days later I played my cleric and met one of them T^T

About allocation,it's pretty tricky P= because the person can say she/he has quest items so it can't be set to sequencial.

I got mad once that a party member picked all the drops so I put pickup emoticon on 2 in quickslot,worked like a charm:p.At that time i didn't know about party aloccation.

Now I'm that annoying person who has quest items to pick and spams pickup XD,but if they ask I offer to trade them the drops they need or want =P.
It's also really nice to have this rule in a party:

If a green drops it goes to the partymember if it is his/her class,whoever picked it has to trade it to the person,if it isn't anyones class whoever picked it gets to keep it.

But I doubt it'd work with random people,you should just ask your friends if you're planning on grinding long together.

If the party doesn't set to sequencial and he/she won't let some drops for you after you've asked you should just leave,it's dissapointing I know but you'll get more and more annoyed by that party anyway.

[xNimue]

first of all lets just get things straight! i am a cleric (kronuss) that loves to solo... partially because its fun...and partially because most people treat us like slaves in a party.k.. lets say you got a party of 4-5 with only one cleric. first thing you notice is that everyone stops worrying about their health cause theres a cleric in there party... then they all want to tank and pull the agro... while some are squishy and take a crazy beating...its nothing compared to the beating the cleric's keyboard is taking from trying to heal and keep alive everyone at one time...second thing you notice is that when they feel they are in real danger cause they just agroed a big pack...they run straight for the cleric. now the cleric is fighting for his life and yours. then you get blamed cause some idiot didn't know his place and died.after which they take all the drops or whisper to freinds to come take drops so they dont have to split with the cleric that just kept their butts alive.i feel that fiesta is losing alot of people due to the fact of rudeness...and the lack of respect.for the record i have not quit but am injoying a break from all the chaos and drama...sorry to all the people that think im rude or just playing them... but there are to many people on fiesta that create alt accounts just for scamming then want to get mad at the people that got scammed cause they dont trust anyone. and pertaining to the buff situation... "i think" buffs should only be availible for those in the clerics party. that would save the drama and let people remember how to play the game without a buff... no more playless days for the clerics having to stand in town buffing for hours... and give back the needed respect that the cleric deserves.:cool:also it would take the chance away for the cleric's who think it is funny to make someone beg for a buff by dancing or spelling out the whole word please. and remember clerics we have low damage but we have the ability to heal and buff. so for the clerics buffing people going into pvp kq...all your doing is sealing the fate of your fellow cleric by increasing the health of a damage dealer... now they got high health and high damage... and the low damage healer stands no chance. which means less people wanting to play clerics and more people needing the service of the cleric's buff...this is a irreversible cycle that would not be happening if the cleric could only buff his party members with the exception that the buff would go away as soon as the party statis ended....these are just my thoughts... but it might make for a more injoyable fiesta. ALSO FOR GODS SAKE FEISTA....MAKE THE GUILD WARS ONLY AVAILIBLE IN OX FEILD OR FBZ
SO THE REST OF US STOP LAGGING TO DEATH IN TOWN. thnx for listening...and sorry if i offended anyone's point of veiw.

Okay... first of all... are you trying to argue with me or make my eyes bleed by your lack of formatting?

As I said to xavier_swift. It's your choice to solo. I'm not telling you not to. I said that I believe that it's far quicker if you party. Better experience gained over time and you get to be social with other people. Am I not entitled to my opinion?

And for your fail parties who obviously don't know how to play their classes... you'll have to learn to put up with it. There are people like that in ever class now because there are too many quests around to make levelling easy. Just learn to be an uber cleric who can deal with it.

As far as buffs are concerned, I buff people when I'm not busy. If I'm setting up a vendor or am in guild chat or I'm talking to someone about something important in whisper, I'm not going to drop everything and put my full focus on the dozens of newbies that run at me the minute they see my shield and mace, which leads me to my next point. The minute you buff one person in town, you'll get MOBBED by other people. God knows I love buffing people and being nice, but when I buff one person out of kindness, I start getting spammed for random party invites and 'buff plz's in whisper. I know you want buffs, but it gets stressful when you have things you want to do and you have to jump off your mover in the middle of a lag-infested town just to buff the random mage on his hobby horse who is following you and spamming 'buff plz'.

Secondly, the lag in towns is not necessarily caused by guild wars. More often than not it's due to the amount of vendors that are set up. *That* is the main reason for the lag.



For what its worth, I usually solo on my cleric as
a) I am in no hurry, taking 3 days to do a quest a piece at a time is not a problem for me
b) Strangely, I like to have drops from time to time
c) Even more strangely, I enjoy getting green weps and armors too, from time to time

The few times I accepted a random invite usually ended up with
-> keep the others healed [which I am pretty good and enjoy doing]
-> Not see any drops [well... when lucky I had the broken bones left]
-> clearly not see any greens
-> of course allocation is always on free
-> once their quest is done, *pouf* party is dismissed they teleport and I am left to finish mine alone

After a few instances of that, I find it easier on me to do them alone anyway, more positives than negatives doing it that way.
Only time I party is with guildies/family where we do have an understanding already and share the drops.

So no, soloers are not only 'because they consider they are a one-man army and the other classes are just dragging them down'.

Okay, first, let me address what you've said that I've highlighted in red.

Here's some advice from me to you on being a party cleric: whenever you join a party always check if the allocation is on free or sequencial. If not, then ask nicely that they put it on sequencial. If they don't, drop the party and find another one. The resolution is as simple as that. Most parties will gladly put it on sequencial. Not *everyone* on this game is a total [jerk].

What I've highlighted in purple: I'm sorry you've experienced that, but that happens to pretty much everyone at some point, regardless of their class. It's just that because of our build and our lack of damage, we're left more jibbed than everyone else. However, please don't think that just because you've experienced a couple of bad parties that everyone on Fiesta is such a [jerk] that you have to solo all the time. Once you find some good people to party with, you'll see that is actually pretty enjoyable being a party cleric.

[xavier_swift]

I prefer duoing over full partying.

[dwn1byz]

Okay... first of all... are you trying to argue with me or make my eyes bleed by your lack of formatting?

As I said to xavier_swift. It's your choice to solo. I'm not telling you not to. I said that I believe that it's far quicker if you party. Better experience gained over time and you get to be social with other people. Am I not entitled to my opinion?

And for your fail parties who obviously don't know how to play their classes... you'll have to learn to put up with it. There are people like that in ever class now because there are too many quests around to make levelling easy. Just learn to be an uber cleric who can deal with it.

As far as buffs are concerned, I buff people when I'm not busy. If I'm setting up a vendor or am in guild chat or I'm talking to someone about something important in whisper, I'm not going to drop everything and put my full focus on the dozens of newbies that run at me the minute they see my shield and mace, which leads me to my next point. The minute you buff one person in town, you'll get MOBBED by other people. God knows I love buffing people and being nice, but when I buff one person out of kindness, I start getting spammed for random party invites and 'buff plz's in whisper. I know you want buffs, but it gets stressful when you have things you want to do and you have to jump off your mover in the middle of a lag-infested town just to buff the random mage on his hobby horse who is following you and spamming 'buff plz'.

Secondly, the lag in towns is not necessarily caused by guild wars. More often than not it's due to the amount of vendors that are set up. *That* is the main reason for the lag.




Okay, first, let me address what you've said that I've highlighted in red.

Here's some advice from me to you on being a party cleric: whenever you join a party always check if the allocation is on free or sequencial. If not, then ask nicely that they put it on sequencial. If they don't, drop the party and find another one. The resolution is as simple as that. Most parties will gladly put it on sequencial. Not *everyone* on this game is a total jack***.

What I've highlighted in purple: I'm sorry you've experienced that, but that happens to pretty much everyone at some point, regardless of their class. It's just that because of our build and our lack of damage, we're left more jibbed than everyone else. However, please don't think that just because you've experienced a couple of bad parties that everyone on Fiesta is such a **** that you have to solo all the time. Once you find some good people to party with, you'll see that is actually pretty enjoyable being a party cleric.sorry if i offended you as where it was not personally ment for one in general...but for all to relize!

is that better...my lack of writing skills comes natural i apologize for that to.

but i stand by my thought's... as where u should your's...for it gives everyone something to oppose their opinions on. kindness....respect....and alot of tolerance makes for a good fiesta. and i believe we all agree that is what we all want!

....again sorry if i offended you or you thought i ment you personally:o

[xNimue]

I prefer duoing over full partying.

Agreed. I like parties but duoing is so much easier. ^^


sorry if i offended you as where it was not personally ment for one in general...but for all to relize!

is that better...my lack of writing skills comes natural i apologize for that to.

but i stand by my thought's... as where u should your's...for it gives everyone something to oppose their opinions on. kindness....respect....and alot of tolerance makes for a good fiesta. and i believe we all agree that is what we all want!

....again sorry if i offended you or you thought i ment you personally:o

Don't worry about the formatting, I just had some serious problems reading your post. ^^;; And I agree, I think Fiesta needs a bit of all those things you just listed. Unfortunately, like in realy life, not everyone is polite and courteous. All we can really do is lead by example.

[mehe25]

Sorry,but I mentioned that there are people like you,5-10% remember?
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5-10%? I'm wondering where you got these numbers from, give me the link.

[Myn19]

5-10%? I'm wondering where you got these numbers from, give me the link.

o.0'',where do you think?It's personal experience and opinion LOL,that's why I said I'm open for arguing XD
If you have arguments as to why you think they're inccorect do say =P

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

Sigh~

Where would we be without clerics?


*thinks alittle*......


x.x;

Damn it, can someone rev me? oh wait no clerics :P

[defcom]

Well personally I haven't come across a really snobby/rude cleric in a really long time. I guess it depends on who and where your interactions take plac. Most people I ask for a buff from are out on the training grounds passing by. Heck, sometimes I don't even ask and I get a randomly kind cleric that would give me a buff as i'm running, riding, or battling a mob.

I don't know why others have been coming across such problems and conflicts on a regular basis. I can only speculate with others who posted and add a few of my own points as to why a cleric may act rude intentionally/accidently at a given time.

Here are some thoughts that have been mentioned and added:
A) Cleric is for real afk
B) Cleric just doesn't wanna pt after a request
C) Bad day in RL, which affects mood/tone in game.
D) Location of requesting for buff (Ie. in a town, training area, or on a clear path)
E) Adv/Disadv of knowing a cleric and recieving special attention.
F) Discrimination agaisnt joining with or buffing a certain class
G) [goes along with (F)..] Gender discrimination
H) Just wants to mess around for kicks or Power flaunting
I) Circumstance of interaction [interaction that depends on situation atm]

[savaro]

Nope its the clerics that people look down at, i dun mean everyone but alot are maybe not realizing it are looking down on clerics.

Personally i have my moods sometimes i am just buffing everyone i see on my way (most of the times).

Always if someone asks for a buff i give one. Also if they say buff plox buff!!! omg buff bufff buff buff (really this happens likes 2/3 times a day for me) i just gave up hope and buff them really fast so they keep their mounth shut.

I dont like people say sir, .. . Am not a sir:x but believe me it feels great is someone just says hi, could i have a buff please?^^ .

Most of you dun realize that there are clerics out there that really get a smile of kindness on there face when you ask it like this instead of. buff plzzzzz, buff plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, *gives a buff 2 stop the spam* ty

[Myn19]

Nope its the clerics that people look down at, i dun mean everyone but alot are maybe not realizing it are looking down on clerics.

Personally i have my moods sometimes i am just buffing everyone i see on my way (most of the times).

Always if someone asks for a buff i give one. Also if they say buff plox buff!!! omg buff bufff buff buff (really this happens likes 2/3 times a day for me) i just gave up hope and buff them really fast so they keep their mounth shut.

I dont like people say sir, .. . Am not a sir:x but believe me it feels great is someone just says hi, could i have a buff please?^^ .

Most of you dun realize that there are clerics out there that really get a smile of kindness on there face when you ask it like this instead of. buff plzzzzz, buff plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, *gives a buff 2 stop the spam* ty

Due to a recent patch we now have a block list,we can unblock people by deleting them from the list too T^T.
We can now block spammers without worrying they're usualy nice people or are going to sell some godly stuff and we aren't able to see.

You sound nice ^ ^,but I'd rather block the spammer and save myself the annoyance(the block list can be accesed by clicking the blue button with a B to the left side of the chatbox,you can block someone by right clicking his words in the chat and then clicking block)
You can always unblock him later anyway.

[Bonthra]

I'm a fighter, so I don't know if my opinion matters much, but I think clerics do snob-like things very often. the other day when i was in uruga, my friend and i were going to go kill GH. I went up to a cleric who I had just seen buffing someone, and I asked for a buff (I didn't say anything rude like "BuFf Pl0X" cuz i feel that is just mean. I said "May i please have a buff for boss killing?"). He just stood there for a long time, so i assumed he was afk. after i left, I saw somebody walk up to him and he mysteriously was not afk. after I saw that, I walked back up to him and asked for a buff again. AFK AGAIN.
I got another cleric to buff me, and as I was walking down the uru stairs, he whispered me "Did you ever get buffed? ^^ ?"
I didn't know if this was a simple question or an insult, but it really brought down my views of clerics.


I've inadvertently done that before. I blame Ventrilo. I'll be afk on my cleric, someone in Vent will ask me to buff them, then right back to afk. If I get a whisper, I'll whisper back if the person needs a buff and if they do, I'll go wherever.


you have 2 atack skills,one which is broken

The attack's not necessarily broken. Just because it does status effects in the other versions doesn't mean OnsOnSoft wants us to have an effect.


I prefer duoing over full partying.

Duo ftw!

[wannabeguyo]

Nah, now fighters...fighters are another story.

[Nephron]

Due to my grammar-freak buffing policy and my incredibly charming personality, I'm sure that a great many players probably consider me a snob.


I won't claim otherwise, nor will I pretend to care. ;)


*goes back to buffing polite people who can remember how to spell*

[zues8844]

Doesn't make you a snob. Besides, you're teaching those 8 year old noobs how to spell "please" correctly.

[mehe25]

Doesn't make you a snob. Besides, you're teaching those 8 year old noobs how to spell "please" correctly.

Education is the key -u-

[satoric]

And now you know, and knowing is half the battle...

I must agree, we must remember sometimes that the people we play with may not be of the same maturity level as we are. That being said, I have met some very mature 10-18 year olds, and some very immature 20-40 year olds. Its all perspective.

[twiztedcriminal]

Sometimes i'm talking in whisper or to my guild and i dont see the buff requests. Sometimes i don't buff fighters with +9 stuff, it depends on my mood, because a fighter with awesome gear doesn't really need a buff. And the meanest people i've seen are fighters. They think they are so great. I went a little off topic there.

[ahtai]

That cleric soloing will be over with in the 7x or better be by then because you get to 8x you'll fail because bashing and bleeding/tripping through Nixs, Cores, Moles and Kidmons will suck the desire of capping right out of you. Period. :D
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You kidmon party is consist of 4 other clerics.

When you get to end of 8x and do trees, desire to party take right out of you. Your party member run everywhere you chase after them to heal them and you don't get the kill count because you did not arrive in time of death.

I end up cap while soloing.


I'm a fighter, so I don't know if my opinion matters much, but I think clerics do snob-like things very often. the other day when i was in uruga, my friend and i were going to go kill GH. I went up to a cleric who I had just seen buffing someone, and I asked for a buff (I didn't say anything rude like "BuFf Pl0X" cuz i feel that is just mean. I said "May i please have a buff for boss killing?"). He just stood there for a long time, so i assumed he was afk. after i left, I saw somebody walk up to him and he mysteriously was not afk. after I saw that, I walked back up to him and asked for a buff again. AFK AGAIN.
I got another cleric to buff me, and as I was walking down the uru stairs, he whispered me "Did you ever get buffed? ^^ ?"
I didn't know if this was a simple question or an insult, but it really brought down my views of clerics.
I know clerics get asked for buffs every few seconds/minutes, and I realize that you get tired of wasting stones and SP on people you don't know, but if someone comes and politely asks for a buff which they would actually make good use of, why would you refuse them?

LOL that happen to me a couple of times and here is the other side of story you may want to know.

I am on guild chat chatting with my guildmate. My friend walk pass and I buff him/her immediately. (I usually do that to friend and guildmate without them asking) Than I may be also opening inventory moving things around, it is always true if location is in front of storage.

Now screen cover up, cannot see you standing in front of me, guild chat on cannot see normal or wisper. One time I saw someone wisper me asking for buff and I was "ops sorry did you get a buff?" That person is already in FOS.

[boo18white]

I dont think clerics are snobs at all. I think they just get soo tired of people spamming them with a variety of "buff pls" that they just get soo tired of it. If players were nicer about asking for buffs(lol will never happen) then I'm sure clerics will be nicer bout buffing when asked.

If you ask me the most stuck up class is fighter, most of em think they cant be killed and can kill anything... but thats for a enitrely different thread.

[fxarch]

I get asked to 'buffplx' All the time, I'm not even 47 yet! so I always make a point of saying "Sorry, I can't buff yet."

But, It's seriously irritating when I have people TELLING me how to play my char. I'm not Stupid, I Don't let anyone die, Unless they pull such a huge mob that I can't handle it. (And that's not my fault ;~; I really do try >< ) But I hate it when they blame ME For them dying. . . You know, there's only so much a cleric can do, unfortunately My heal doesn't alter your brain D: Besides, it's not like I sit and leech, I put the main party member on Follow and Heal EVERYONE in the party T.T

Also, When I play my other characters ANY TIME I ask for a buff. . . come to think of it, even on my cleric, when I ask for a buff I ALWAYS ask nicely, and in a friendly Manner.
"<NameHere> Would you mind buffing me? ^^" "Hey, <NameHere> Could you please buff me? ^^" and so on and so forth. I also ALWAYS Say "Thank you very much ^^" If they do buff me.

But still. . . I hate it when other classes Try to play one another, Charmed archers insisting they should tank, Charmed mages doing the same, Then you have The mages and archers who use Str charms and whine fighters not holding aggro.

We all have our faults, Clerics happen to make good clanks, because we have high base def. We're meant to be able to take damage, we're not like mages and archers who are meant to kill from a distance without getting hurt.

[YoshimaruOrona]

I'm gonna guess that this topic was brought up because some clerics buff, and others don't?

Anyway, clerics (not all, but most) get annoyed with buff requests because, as mentioned, we get spammed every minute or so when we're in a town. Elderine especially >>

A friend of mine said that this is the only game she's played where the majority of players have the guts to walk up to the healer class and ask for a buff. I dunno if that's true or not, but I haven't seen anything on other MMO's that refute her claim.

If not buffing some people makes me a snob, then so be it. I already know I'm not.



And choosing to solo .. that's a tricky concept. Some people do like it because they feel like they can do whatever they want, others do it because they don't want to be responsible for other players' safety, and some do it for the drops. Just because we reject a party invite doesn't automatically make us an @#$ until you know the exact reason for it.

[thaolee]

Okay my main is a Cleric too. I do agree we do get snobby sometimes but come on all you hear is buff please buff pl0x please buff rebuff please and so on trust it gets annoying. I'm not mean because i spend half my time in roumen and eldrine buffing. I'd like to say a cleric has his/her good and bad days and we're SPECIAL :D

[kraisen]

Perhaps all of the other classes are just demanding jerks

[darkclaw331]

In my opinion as a 49 cleric, I think that in some ways I do get this vibe while on the other hand I feel like I am mistreated and have to have this sort of mean, stuck-up tone. When someone comes up and says buff plz I truly don't mind giving a buff but when someone says, "I need a buff NOW!" then I do just refuse to give them a buff. If you take this game to a different concept (such as real life) then imagine someone saying help me NOW, I'm not just going to say ok. I would probably say no and tell them to go find someone who will put up with their awful attitude. Then lets say someone comes up and says, "Hi, can you please help me?" Then I am more likely to help them. Normally in that situation either I have something going on and I just can't or I help them.

[heavylove]

Ok, so here's my opinion on the matter, and it's coming from the server of Teva, don't know what it's like on other servers, I don't play on them.

On Teva, a long time ago, clerics held a strike. They would not buff or join parties to help people. The reason why? Because people didn't treat them with enough respect, didn't ask correctly for buffs (T.T who made up that rule anyway-who really cares how they ask as long as they dont spam or call you rude names), didn't thank them for healing in parties o.o.

This is the most snobbish behavior I can even think of. When i play my fighter do people thank me for mocking and keeping them alive? Do they thank me for stunning the mobs? When i play my mage do they thank me for killing fast? No, and I don't expect them to. Just like I don't expect people to thank me for buffing and healing my party...it's my job, they are my skills, therefore I use them.

That being said, it is not your job to buff random people, and I find it very kind of the very few clerics who run around on our server randomly buffing people on their mains. I do it a few times a week on my cleric, I will log in and buff for a few hours but she certaintly is not my main but I like to think if she ever became my most active character that I would continue to do the same thing. It makes me happy to help other people out.

If you don't enjoy helping people, maybe you should have picked a different class, like not one meant for support.

[fxarch]

If you don't enjoy helping people, maybe you should have picked a different class, like not one meant for support.

My cleric is a SUPPORT cleric, doesn't mean people should tell me how to play him, Or what to do when.

I do my job, you do yours, in a party situation. Outside of it, what do I owe the rest of you? You all treat me like dirt, why should I waste my stones on you?

[heavylove]

My cleric is a SUPPORT cleric, doesn't mean people should tell me how to play him, Or what to do when.

I do my job, you do yours, in a party situation. Outside of it, what do I owe the rest of you? You all treat me like dirt, why should I waste my stones on you?

Ok, ok, please calm down. Since you quoted me, I'm going to assume that you are directing this comment towards me.

I did not tell you how to play your character, nor did I tell you what to do and when or where to do it. Lol. If other people do this, tell them to bug off, it's none of their concern. If they don't like how you do your job, they don't have to party you, it's a simple as that. If you don't like how they treat you, you can quit party and/or block them.

Oh, and I bolded the one part because this is thread asking whether or not clerics are snobs. That's a pretty snobby statement is it not? Does everyone really treat you like dirt? If so, that may not be because of your class. Just a thought, I don't know you personally.

My basic point in my original post was that clerics are the only class that I have seen hold a strike over not being treated properly and I find it to be silly and snobbish that they did this.

[dwn1byz]

My cleric is a SUPPORT cleric, doesn't mean people should tell me how to play him, Or what to do when.

I do my job, you do yours, in a party situation. Outside of it, what do I owe the rest of you? You all treat me like dirt, why should I waste my stones on you?that was said like a real trooper! i dont seem to be teva's cup of tea neither...so i know how that feels! but the only way to change the world is one mind at a time.
we as clerics eat alot of dirt from everyone anyways....support...thats a joke!!! keep me alive... buff plox...we as a party want to see you facerollthekeyboard some more! lol jk...but for real its not funny! actually whats not funny is giving a lvl 46 person a t1 buff when you can clearly
buff for t3-t4 :eek:...remember im a cleric but i also play a fighter so i do see what alot of the complaining is about. sometimes i sit at shutian and beg for a buff... just to watch the other clerics run off or goto hide mode. :mad: BUTTTT ...now there is one person thats always buffing 3/4 of the time im online(i wont mention the name) but let me tell you...he/she is always willing to buff and blow stones on all, almost every day. even the lowlifes ussually get a buff without argument. U KNOW WHO YOU ARE...and if your reading this

THANK YOU! ;)

you have been the one that has kept me from giving up. not on a personal lvl but to see one person make so much of a differance on this game makes me wonder what it would be like if there was more like you.:D

[xavier_swift]

Ok, so here's my opinion on the matter, and it's coming from the server of Teva, don't know what it's like on other servers, I don't play on them.

On Teva, a long time ago, clerics held a strike. They would not buff or join parties to help people. The reason why? Because people didn't treat them with enough respect, didn't ask correctly for buffs (T.T who made up that rule anyway-who really cares how they ask as long as they dont spam or call you rude names), didn't thank them for healing in parties o.o.

This is the most snobbish behavior I can even think of. When i play my fighter do people thank me for mocking and keeping them alive? Do they thank me for stunning the mobs? When i play my mage do they thank me for killing fast? No, and I don't expect them to. Just like I don't expect people to thank me for buffing and healing my party...it's my job, they are my skills, therefore I use them.

That being said, it is not your job to buff random people, and I find it very kind of the very few clerics who run around on our server randomly buffing people on their mains. I do it a few times a week on my cleric, I will log in and buff for a few hours but she certaintly is not my main but I like to think if she ever became my most active character that I would continue to do the same thing. It makes me happy to help other people out.

If you don't enjoy helping people, maybe you should have picked a different class, like not one meant for support.

So, we HAVE to help people out to be able enjoy our class? Is that what you are implying? So, an Archer who AOEs an entire room is not having fun by themselves? A Mage who AOEs alone is not enjoying themselves? A Fighter who takes down numerous enemies by himself is not having fun?

Where is it written that a Cleric's sole purpose is help others more than themselves? Archers and Mages are just as much a support class as we are. How come they don't get the same sort of guff we get? Just because we were given a healing spell, we have to party? Pots and stones work just as well. Don't belittle us for not doing our "supporting" role when other classes don't do the same.

That strike had nothing to do with being snobby. It was setting the record straight that a Cleric's life does not revolve around people besides them.

[mehe25]

o.0'',where do you think?It's personal experience and opinion LOL,that's why I said I'm open for arguing XD
If you have arguments as to why you think they're inccorect do say =P

Cause of personal experience and opinion LOL

[twiztedcriminal]

yesterday a DD fighter pulled a huge mob and blamed me when she died. there was me and 3 other people and its hard to heal with this new glitch, so i couldnt heal her fasst enough because im not used to using the f keys. it made me mad when she blamed me, but she shouldnt have taken on such a huge mob. so what i did was, i logged off and let everyone in my party die. i dont think thats stuck-up or snobbish at all. i always help people and buff even the rude people if i'm in a good mood, but dont disrespect me. i am not a frikken robot, i choose to help people but i DONT have to. And fighters are the ones that are stuck-up and snobby.

[mehe25]

yesterday a DD fighter pulled a huge mob and blamed me when she died. there was me and 3 other people and its hard to heal with this new glitch, so i couldnt heal her fasst enough because im not used to using the f keys. it made me mad when she blamed me, but she shouldnt have taken on such a huge mob. so what i did was, i logged off and let everyone in my party die. i dont think thats stuck-up or snobbish at all. i always help people and buff even the rude people if i'm in a good mood, but dont disrespect me. i am not a frikken robot, i choose to help people but i DONT have to. And fighters are the ones that are stuck-up and snobby.

Seems many fighters get to high on themselves and think they can pull HUGE mobs...

[ahtai]

My basic point in my original post was that clerics are the only class that I have seen hold a strike over not being treated properly and I find it to be silly and snobbish that they did this.


Cleric is also the only class who cannot stand aroung and chat with friend or do whatever like looking at shops without being interupted. Worst is when you are enhancing. It it buff Plox plus give me money plox together.

When I was level 5x (like 1 year ago) people did not act so rude, I can actually shop around and look for a good gear. What's wrong with new players that cannot walk out of town without a buff?

I can and am continue to walk around on my alt without one or ever ask for buff. Why can't they? Even if the cleric in my party forget to buff me, it is no big deal either. The buff just an additonal insurance.

[twiztedcriminal]

try taking your armor off when in town and less people will ask u for a buff. it works when i do it.

[YoshimaruOrona]

try taking your armor off when in town and less people will ask u for a buff. it works when i do it.

Seems a little sad that we have to do that just to get some peace and quiet.

[boo18white]

try taking your armor off when in town and less people will ask u for a buff. it works when i do it.

that doesnt work all the time. my cleric got asked for a buff one time during gold hill kq...was only lv 30 at the time.

[ahtai]

try taking your armor off when in town and less people will ask u for a buff. it works when i do it.

It will not work. I tried that a long time ago. I even go all the way to ruman to enhance and holding a level 15 weapon.

[fxarch]

I don't get it so often, but when I do, I don't plan on buffing without being given at least a T1 sp pot.

I mean think about it, I have a 6x fighter, it costs me over 50s to fully re-stone. If my cleric needs more sp stones, and I spend half of them, on buffing people every time I come back into town, then I'll be spending some 20s a day on just buffing other people? That adds up y'know.

[veriante]

You know,he may have asked u that because people don't often ask that nice unless they're desperate,new or just special lol, well,desperate can be interpreted as in you used to be mean in asking and you never got buffed so you gave up and try *nicely*,try putting some form of smile or icon so it doesn't look forced,he may have been just mean though XD.

Btw,I consider wasting sp a huge bs,no one uses sp pots nowadays,they can just ask almost anyone for sp pots anytime and they would most likely get for free.I have alot of cleric friends which i asked to exchange sp for hp because i'm a fighter for now,they all said they either didn't have which is rly strange for a cleric or refused the sp pots saying they don't need.

omg ... was that me? XD because I play a cleric 7x and i tend to just buff... never asked for sp pots... nor know what to do with them >< clerics are blessed with the amounts of sp stones we can buy and and other than that... i tend to be a soloer too...

whilst this might just sound like complaining for the sake of it... the partial reason for declining a lot of parties for me, is the complication it can cause. I'm a clanker and am more than happy to play support cleric or even a healbot if necessary. But more often than not, there are other players that don't take care of me... for example, if they are attacking mobs and i'm healing... if i attract aggro, they do nothing to help. Which can either lead to them dying or me dying... which eventually leads to them dying...

There are also lots of ocurances where i get partied with rude players that blame the cleric *me* for dying... yes... we are clerics and it is our job and honour to heal/buff/cure/rev... but it does not mean we can be everywhere, do everything at once. Even with a cleric ppl have to eat stones/pots!

*ranting* sorry >< but i do think that yeah, as clerics we might have bit of an attitude, but then each class all has their own attitudes... but most of them stem from dynamics in the game... and not everyone that plays a cleric is going to be a caring/sweet person that will heal/buff/cure everyone that moves .............

[heavylove]

So, we HAVE to help people out to be able enjoy our class? Is that what you are implying? So, an Archer who AOEs an entire room is not having fun by themselves? A Mage who AOEs alone is not enjoying themselves? A Fighter who takes down numerous enemies by himself is not having fun?

Where is it written that a Cleric's sole purpose is help others more than themselves? Archers and Mages are just as much a support class as we are. How come they don't get the same sort of guff we get? Just because we were given a healing spell, we have to party? Pots and stones work just as well. Don't belittle us for not doing our "supporting" role when other classes don't do the same.

That strike had nothing to do with being snobby. It was setting the record straight that a Cleric's life does not revolve around people besides them.

Somehow I knew that coming into a cleric forum and saying they were a support class was going to make someone mad. :D But truth be told, they are.


Fighters are the "tanker" class i.e. mock, devastate and demoralizing hit, not to mention naturally higher defense than any other class, Archer's are the "DoT" class (damage over time) ie poison and disease attacks, Mages are the "DPS" (damage per second) ie spammable magic missle, magic blast and magic burst , and clerics the "support" class ie heal, revive, cure.


Archers and mages are not support, if they were they would have skills designed to help out party members in need. Yes, mages have dispel, but it is lame and is really only useful in a party for removing slow/decreased aim/evasion attacks. It is always a tier behind whatever poisons and dieases you are being attacked with, it is not helpful in that sense at all. You could consider fighters to be more of a support class than mages or archers because they have mock.


And no, you don't have to party, noone says you do. You design your own character and play it how you like, but should you choose to join a party, yes, you have to heal them. It is your job in a party, much like fighters have to mock and archers and mages have to attack. Otherwise you are in a fail party.


And remember, buffing people does not require you to use sp pots or stones. There's this neat little thing called a mushroom house which you can rest in, and it's free. I also believe that noone ever said you are required to buff random people, I know I didn't. Like someone said earlier, take off your armor in town, that usually works.


Oh, and btw, the comment that pots and stones work just as well as a clerics heal is not true. Ask any mage without extenders just how well their stones heal; they will tell you it's almost as if they didn't use one at all. Not that they have any hp stones to speak of anyway, but that's a different topic.


And the main thing that came out of that strike is now people are informed that is it a requirement to write out your request for a buff in a full, polite sentence. Seriously?


C'mon you are playing a mmorpg and you want people to write out "(Name here), would you be so kind as to please give me a buff? I don't know, I find this to be a little demanding.


Why is buff pls/plz buff so offensive? I get pl0x, ok, I'll give you that one, I don't even understand how that means please lol, but we are playing an online game here. Even the type of game you are playing is shortened. Noone calls it a massively mutli-player online role-playing game, they call it an mmorpg, or mmo for short.


Anyway, like I said, my opinion. Yours does not have to coincide with mine, that's the beauty of being human I suppose. You, the OP, asked if clerics were snobs, and I gotta say that yes, I think alot of them are.

[angerchild]

Clerics aren't really snobby...just highly stressed and fully disrespected individuals that play this game.

On any given day you can get cursed out for a buff, a heal, or a cure from any unknown player in Fiesta and then get told, "You're just support...deal with it!" Or, the one I hate the most: "IT'S YOUR JOB!!!" SMH.

So nice to be basically written off all the time...until you need us.

Some of the same people popping in thread after thread are some of the worst offenders.

You think were snobby? I think that's just a perception from people use to abusing us.

If you think it's our job to be treated badly? Make a cleric, actually stick it out more than 20-30 lvls...and see why the class acts the way it does.

[mehe25]

Given our position being the most differen't from the rest of the classes...no not at all.

[Now_In_Lush_Color]

I definitely believe we're looked DOWN on. With stones and pots, +9s, charms on the market, it's a lot easier to solo than find a cleric. We're just there for buffs.

[Nephron]

C'mon you are playing a mmorpg and you want people to write out "(Name here), would you be so kind as to please give me a buff? I don't know, I find this to be a little demanding.


Why is buff pls/plz buff so offensive? I get pl0x, ok, I'll give you that one, I don't even understand how that means please lol, but we are playing an online game here. Even the type of game you are playing is shortened. Noone calls it a massively mutli-player online role-playing game, they call it an mmorpg, or mmo for short.

Some people (like myself) happen to like the English language, and attempt to use it properly on the forum and in the game. I find "pls" and "plz" to be linguistically irritating, especially when I'm spammed with variations of them every time I pass through Elderine.

"MMORPG" is more of an acronym, while "plz" is just a random bundle of letters. "MMORPG" actually stands for several complete words; "plz" does not.

Beyond that, it's also a matter of politeness and respect. As I've said before, if I'm not worth the half-second it would take you to type all six letters of "please," then frankly, I'm not likely to feel that you're worth the half-second (and 100-something SP) it would take me to buff you.

I don't expect people to grovel at my feet so that I'll buff them. Believe it or not, I'm actually happy to buff -- just ask me nicely. I don't think that's demanding at all.

[xavier_swift]

Somehow I knew that coming into a cleric forum and saying they were a support class was going to make someone mad. :D But truth be told, they are.


Fighters are the "tanker" class i.e. mock, devastate and demoralizing hit, not to mention naturally higher defense than any other class, Archer's are the "DoT" class (damage over time) ie poison and disease attacks, Mages are the "DPS" (damage per second) ie spammable magic missle, magic blast and magic burst , and clerics the "support" class ie heal, revive, cure.


Archers and mages are not support, if they were they would have skills designed to help out party members in need. Yes, mages have dispel, but it is lame and is really only useful in a party for removing slow/decreased aim/evasion attacks. It is always a tier behind whatever poisons and dieases you are being attacked with, it is not helpful in that sense at all. You could consider fighters to be more of a support class than mages or archers because they have mock.


And no, you don't have to party, noone says you do. You design your own character and play it how you like, but should you choose to join a party, yes, you have to heal them. It is your job in a party, much like fighters have to mock and archers and mages have to attack. Otherwise you are in a fail party.


And remember, buffing people does not require you to use sp pots or stones. There's this neat little thing called a mushroom house which you can rest in, and it's free. I also believe that noone ever said you are required to buff random people, I know I didn't. Like someone said earlier, take off your armor in town, that usually works.


Oh, and btw, the comment that pots and stones work just as well as a clerics heal is not true. Ask any mage without extenders just how well their stones heal; they will tell you it's almost as if they didn't use one at all. Not that they have any hp stones to speak of anyway, but that's a different topic.


And the main thing that came out of that strike is now people are informed that is it a requirement to write out your request for a buff in a full, polite sentence. Seriously?


C'mon you are playing a mmorpg and you want people to write out "(Name here), would you be so kind as to please give me a buff? I don't know, I find this to be a little demanding.


Why is buff pls/plz buff so offensive? I get pl0x, ok, I'll give you that one, I don't even understand how that means please lol, but we are playing an online game here. Even the type of game you are playing is shortened. Noone calls it a massively mutli-player online role-playing game, they call it an mmorpg, or mmo for short.


Anyway, like I said, my opinion. Yours does not have to coincide with mine, that's the beauty of being human I suppose. You, the OP, asked if clerics were snobs, and I gotta say that yes, I think alot of them are.

Support doesn't always mean healing. Just play any other MMO out there, and they will say the same thing about Archers and Mages being support classes. o you ever see them on the front lines of battles? No, because they are not durable enough. If they were, their def would be way better than it is right now.

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

Heres a good point.

Why would a snobish person pick the class that helps people? o.O

[maxx_perfect]

I think that you clerics do tend to be a bit snob like.
However, I feel it is a kind of deserved snob like attitude. Knowing that you're vital to survival of other classes, espesh in KQs can give you this type of attitude. Also since you're the buffing class you demand respect from those who want your services.
But again I can live with the majority of clerics being snobs, as well as the majority of fighters being rude and bigamists.
I'm not sure that makes sense... I'm tired

[heavylove]

Heres a good point.

Why would a snobish person pick the class that helps people? o.O

Why would people pick a class that helps people out and then pretend to be afk when they ask for help? Or will only help them if they ask in the right way.......

[angerchild]

Why would people pick a class that helps people out and then pretend to be afk when they ask for help? Or will only help them if they ask in the right way.......

So now the cleric class is a 24 hr. on-call "ask and you shall receive" class?

Funny how some people expect from one class a heck of a lot more than they more than likely give to their own.

If one cleric doesn't help you MOVE ON...THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHERS THAT WILL. It save a lot of hurt feeling, aggravation, and threads like this.

Yeah, it's be nice to always get a buff when you asked for it...but the world isn't perfect and not everyone asking is always nice. With that said, plenty of times the fate of what happens is in your hands. "OMG WOULD YOU HURRY UP I GOTTA GO TO A KQ STUPID CLERIC!!!" will never work...no matter how much you feel you're in the right.

Threads like this won't help the class ever. It's just an endless flamewar against the class. Somebody who didn't get a buff ends up with a chip on his shoulder and spends 2 or 3 pages complaining.

With heal glitches, blue set glitches, & kq glitches, clerics have it bad enough...they don't need any more nastiness to deal with.

[ahtai]

I definitely believe we're looked DOWN on. With stones and pots, +9s, charms on the market, it's a lot easier to solo than find a cleric. We're just there for buffs.

Total agree and if you need your own quest, you better do on your own because your partner is done and leave you high and dry to finish your own. Oh and most of the time they left without bother to tell you. If you have 1 dd and 4 cleric team something is not right. Where are the other players, while in Uruga you count is 10:1 ratio.

If you are 8x holding unicorn, good you are the all mighty buff station. :( Like I say have any class ever consider partner with cleric?

So I alway like to say, if you want a buff, go parther with a cleric. That is how the game is originally designed.

My latest favourate, "could you give me 100s, I am a new player." LOL I don't even have 50s on my cleric. Afther that follow is "could you give me a buff than." Well at least that is something I can afford. :D Though the 2 player follow asking for buff cannot wait around for me to zhoom to recover the sp. :p Empty sp cleric cannot buff. :rolleyes:


Heres a good point.

Why would a snobish person pick the class that helps people? o.O

No cleric is not snobish because they pick a class that help people to begin with, they are by nature kind and patient person. You need patient to level a cleric or the person can never level. Those who are snobish thinks cleric are snobish. What you reap is what you sow, people are your own reflective mirror.

I still yet need to meet one snobish cleric on my alt. I was on one of my squshies and I look at the cleric doing heal and rejuvine, all I think is "Oh I max out her heal and mob is leaking to attach her, need to pull less mob next round." Another one cleric I meet is "Oh boy, he is good, better than me. LOL"

[starsilk]

My main is a cleric and I solo, but not for long! My Real Life hubby wants to play with my cleric now and not my mage! That's OK by me I like my mage better and I will get to play with her more because she won't have to wait for him to play so she stays the same level as him!

My hubby gets mad at me when he sees me standing in town buffing! He says "why do you buff EVERYBODY? No one buffs me when I ask for One!" I say because they asked me!

I don't care if they spell please right, but I would like them to say please how ever they say it and a thank you is nice even if it's ty. I don't like when they ask for a buff and then can't hold still! I have even shouted to "STOP MOVING". It's very hard to click on someone that is bouncing all over! ~.^ I do give buffs to someone I see fighting when I am running by that doesn't have one. I don't expect them to thank me because they are a bit busy! I will heal someone too without them asking if I think they need it.

Alot of people have said good things here and I notice that when I ask for a buff from someone that is giving them to all people in town, I don't always get them. I don't think they are rude maybe they just didn't see me right in front of them I know sometimes I don't.

Don't judge a book...we are not all a like just like the fighters aren't or the archers and mages. Think before you assume....

[Tamlinari]

Do people who play as Clerics tend to regard themselves as being better than the other classes?
As a rule I think it is true up to a point.
I have a 7x Cleric character and it is pretty easy to develop that kind of attitude seeing as Clerics lower than level 60 tend to appear invincible.

However after level 60 playing as a Cleric becomes pretty monotonous.
By the time they get to level 70 and the Cleric doesn't seem to do any more damage then they did at level 60 the person playing the Cleric seems to develop an understanding that Clerics really are the weakest class in the game.

I gave up on my Cleric and put her to the side and now I play as a Mage which has become my main character.
But don't get me wrong, Clerics are great and the game definitely needs them but to be quite honest, I wouldn't want to play the whole game as a Cleric.

It's just my opinion.

[Barimen]

I'm a snob cleric, I think. If you're not a friend, guildmate, or party member, odds are good that I'm not going to buff you. I certainly won't heal you. I'll probably cure someone who's housed off to the side to wait out a DoT, but that's mostly because I find those particularly annoying when I'm playing a non-Cleric.

When I'm playing my Fighter or Archer, I don't ask for heals, cures or buffs (unless I'm partied with a cleric, then I feel justified). Wouldn't you think it crazy if someone overpulled and said 'mock' to a passing Fighter?

If you want the benefit that a certain class can give you, then have one of them in your party.

I can't count the number of times I've seen someone run by saying 'heal' while dragging a mob behind them. No, sorry, dying is the game's way of telling you you did something wrong. Unless you're a friend, guildmate, or party member, I don't feel in any way obligated to save you from your mistake. Use stones AND pots. Try scrolls. Try stronger scrolls. Hunt somewhere safer for your class/build/equips. There are very, very few ways for a character to die through no fault of their own. But if you've got the time to ask for a heal, you should spend that time solving the problem of why you need someone else to heal you. If you interrupt my hunting to ask me for a heal/buff to boost your xp gain, that's automatically one strike against you as far as me deciding whether to comply.

Then there are those who'll beg for buffs -while I'm actively healing in a party-. At this point, you're being rude not only to me but to my party as well. Even friends and guildmates aren't excused for this faux pas.

Buffs. Oi. If it were up to me, Endure and Immune would be party-only buffs.

In town, I usually unequip my hammer and shield to reduce the mob of beggars. I'll sometimes go on buffing sprees, but if I'm not in a buffing mood (which is most of the time), I ignore buff requests. It's not about the SPs, it's about having my play time nickle and dimed away. One or two buffs is no big deal, but when you get dozens, even a hundred or more requests in the course of a day, that adds up to a large chunk of play time leeched off by strangers. No, thank you. I have goals to accomplish as well, and frankly, they're more important to me than your goals.

I have nothing against clerics who give out buffs. If that's how you want to spend your time, that's your decision. Kudos for your altruism.

But in my opinion, it's people who expect strangers to provide a benefit for them for nothing more than a 'buff plz' who are the selfish ones.

[Masenko]

Sometimes I think people who play clerics think they are better than everyone else because they can buff. But I guess you have a right to be rude or whatever since people are really mean to clerics sometimes.

[eadar]

Not a day goes by where I don't get whispers saying "Hey when my buff wears off in 4 minutes, come buff me!".

To which I reply with "I'm not playing the game just to buff people."

Sure, guildmates, or friends? I don't mind helping. But some random person who wants me to wait around for 5-10 minutes, or cross 2 maps to come buff them, nor will stand still long enough to target them? Come on.

As much as people complain Clerics are rude or stuck up - You get burnt out on buff beggars after a while.

[asherbruzz]

Im not even Lvl. 47 yet, i get asked for buffs constantly where it gets to the point i dont think i want to get to Lvl. 47 if thats what it is going to be like.


Personally i think most clerics are humble and giving, providing that theyre constantly wasting their sp on strangers. Fighters are the ones i tend to find obnoxious, they generally rely on clerics for their lives, (i dont know how they solo). But if you dont heal them or buff or restore they have a fit.

[fernbramble1]

To be honest, it has been a rare thing for me to see a Snobbish Cleric.
As you might consider Snobish Clerics to be the ones that do not heal or buff u on your demand, but that is wrong. It is not the law of Fiesta for a cleric to constanly heal or buff someone. (i should know, always being spammed for that stuff)

I know that when i buff, i tend to only buff or heal people that have the respect for them, like come on 'buff plz''buff plox''buff', i do not buff you people who talk to clerics like that.
We should not have to buff you on your demand, and to be honest i do not think clerics think they are higher/or better that any other class, if anything we feel lower, cause i feel like most the time that i am bein treated as dirt.
If anything, it is the people who think it is a clerics duty to do all these things for them that are the Snobs.

I rest my case :P

[veronica-valentine]

you know, I don't think that any clerics would be snobbish, I mean they are a support class....one time, in the abyss, a mage kept getting pk'd by a fighter a few lvl higher than her, so I pt'd her, then buffed her, then quit the party, short story is she took the fighter down and he left. No matter where I go I buff people, I don't care about my sp, I have an sc mini house for that.

[savaro]

you know what i think people?

the world is hard and has people in it who can be really assholes sometimes and has people in it who are sometimes just like angels. Both of this groupes of people play fiesta and have fighters clerics archers mages. You cant call a whole class snobbish, well you can but.. its unreasonable...

You can argue about this 20pages

player 1:

Well but but but i had once that a cleric was rude and didn't buff me cause my grammer was wrong cry:(

player 2:

Yes yes but am a cleric and i heal very well and sometimes it just happens cause of other things like other chat box etc.

Please we can go over this for ages, listen to this:

People are snobbish a fiesta class aint.

some clerics behave snobbish and want some respect
other just simpel give buffs and dont

[A_geezy]

I've been getting this vibe from the other classes for quite some time now. Does anyone else feel like other classes think we hold ourselves on a higher pedestal than them?

Stuck up snobs? pffft LOL a cleric who thinks that is thinking too highly of herself :p

Clerics are heal slaves, we don't think anything else of you :P

haha rofl... gawd I love this

[kangawoo]

Clerics aren't stuck up snobs, and i think you should ask yourself how me and all my cleric friends feel when you put this post on the forums, also, that one bad time you had, think about the ratio of clerics that will buff if they can to the ones that won't!

It must be like a hundred to one!

[Katanam]

Some clerics can be stuck up, but I've only seen a few like that on my server.
I usually stop to buff people except when I'm in a rush.
And I think people may get that 'snob' perception because of all the people who think it's neccassry for someone to type out a full requst when they want a buff. I don't want to type out 'You're welcome' everytime I buff someone XD

[Arzeus]

you know what i think people?

the world is hard and has people in it who can be really assholes sometimes and has people in it who are sometimes just like angels. Both of this groupes of people play fiesta and have fighters clerics archers mages. You cant call a whole class snobbish, well you can but.. its unreasonable...

You can argue about this 20pages

player 1:

Well but but but i had once that a cleric was rude and didn't buff me cause my grammer was wrong cry:(

player 2:

Yes yes but am a cleric and i heal very well and sometimes it just happens cause of other things like other chat box etc.

Please we can go over this for ages, listen to this:

People are snobbish a fiesta class aint.

some clerics behave snobbish and want some respect
other just simpel give buffs and dont


I totally agree with this. You can keep arguing forever, and you'll get nowhere. Some clerics are snobbish, some others are not.

Try to deal with the ones who are stupid and be thankful if you find a good one.

[thaolee]

Stuck up snobs? pffft LOL a cleric who thinks that is thinking too highly of herself :p

Clerics are heal slaves, we don't think anything else of you :P

haha rofl... gawd I love this

healing slaves? gosh nooooo! :mad::mad::mad:

[babymaker688]

Check is IGN and don't buff him.

I think Ima retire my main (cleric) at lvl 43 because I've started recieving buff requests at lvl 30!!!!!

beat that

and SOME NOOB asked my mage for a boof! I was "sure.. have a few hundred MagicMissiles at 2x abyss"

[skinnbonesam]

stuck up .... maybe a little yeah ....

I just don't always feel obligated to buff every living person who asks for it .. sometimes I don't feel very sociable .... I've kinda drawn myself dawn to only buffing friends/guildies/party members unless I'm feeling charitable ...

the few people who spam my whisper box with buff plz about 20 times , followed by you're a noob paladin because you wouldn't buff me when I'm in another chat window or afk have kind of ruined my attitude for buffing and yes I realize I can block those kinds of people .. but it still doesn't make me feel any better about it

.. there are still days when I'll go to eld and buff every moving character in sight ... but they have become fewer and farther between

I've said my piece and will say no more lol

[darthvid]

in my opinion most high lvl people (40+) mainly :mad:fighters:mad: dislike us because we dont like just healing and reviving and they say something like "u a stupid cleric who dont heal" when we fight in KQ's

[undefined]

Clerics aren't stuck up snobs. The lower levels, maybe, but most of the lower level people are annoyingly dumb anyway. I'd think people assume we're all snobs because the majority of us expect a please and thank you for buffs/heals/whatever; as ridiculous as it sounds. Clerics don't get anywhere near as much respect as we deserve, because we are the backbone of Fiesta and yet people spam us, blame us for everything, start flame wars with us for no reason, etc etc.

Honestly, there may be a few higher level cleric snobs, but you can't really blame them. The majority of us are treated like crap from level 30, some sooner.

[paladin25]

people in Epith r getting nicer
i have 1 more lvl till i can buff
so i say that when people ask for buffs
most of the time tthey say "ok good luck :D"
makes feel better then a long time ago
when they would get mad and say "your a cleric u can buff"
then out of no where i get like 3 guild wars

[paladin25]

clerics are great soloers
i doubt there is any monster that
would take a hour to kill
im lvl 46 and i can handle a mobs or orcs in lvl60 pvp
and kill them in 5 - 10min tops

[Madcharo]

You can't really look at a class as a whole and judge the people who play thee class based upon the class they play. From what I've seen, people of all types can play any class they wish. I've seen Archers with gigantic egos and Fighters with low self esteem... (xD) It all has to do with the player, not the class. To me, these kinds of threads are just classist... (Prejudice against certain classes, for those who didn't figure that out. O.o)

[starsilk]

I play all of the classes and like them all for different reasons! Also I am a Gemini so that means I get bored easy so when one gets to me because there aren't enough quests to level her I just go on to the next one until I am tired of grinding on that one.

But I think you could tell which one is my favorite because of the levels they are. ~.^

[Lythari]

Yes we are. We are very stuck up snobs. Every last one of us. Not one single nice person in the entire class. Go us.

[Bonthra]

clerics are great soloers
i doubt there is any monster that
would take a hour to kill
im lvl 46 and i can handle a mobs or orcs in lvl60 pvp
and kill them in 5 - 10min tops

._. Five to ten minutes? That's... horrifying. Especially for an Abyss mob. Abyss mobs are typically easier to kill than regular mobs. >.<

[ahtai]

clerics are great soloers
i doubt there is any monster that
would take a hour to kill
im lvl 46 and i can handle a mobs or orcs in lvl60 pvp
and kill them in 5 - 10min tops

Yes Torture King. Probably 30 minitue to finally see him. Another 30 minute to solo him.

[oldclown]

Anyway regarding the idea of clerics being stuck up snobs, I personally believe that is more along the lines of who is actually playing the class not the class itself. For instance there are a ton of people on Epith that have huge egos. Not going to mention any names because I dont want to be assaulted by them and their thousands of probable lackies.