clerics tanking?

[SamusNerd]

I hear this question alot but i wanna know the question!WERE THE HECK DO BABIES COME FROM!?!?!??!Nah jk.Okay so, many ppl say that clerics can tank better than fighters at early stages.Is this true?If so what about later stages,(lvls 20+)?

How much is the dmg difference?

[Archaonn]

Fighters are better tanks than Clerics always (Unless that Fighter is an idiot who's full STR and the Cleric is full END) I've also heard that Clerics can't tank past Mara and Marlone. The damage isn't that significant.

[SamusNerd]

Intresting x]

[SamusNerd]

after lvl 20 full END clerics get the most dmg out of common cleric builds?

[Archaonn]

after lvl 20 full END clerics get the most dmg?

No a full END Fighter vs a Full END Cleric the fighter will do more damage.

[SamusNerd]

Sorry i ment out of all the clerics build****

[AdamWest]

fighter naturally has more hp and def (even a full str or full spr fighter has more hp and def than a full end cleric) so they last longer as long as a cleric is healing

fighter naturally does more damage (even a full end fighter will out dps a full str cleric) so they hold agro easier

fighters have taunt and mock for agro control, so they are much more reliable tankers.

only time a cleric is more useful for tanking is a 2 man party with a damage dealer.

[Archaonn]

Sorry i ment out of all the clerics build****

I'm not sure but I'd probably say STR and SPR

[babykitt10]

Try this, A tanking guide for clerics (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18001)

[Gravvi]

OK i dont' know what ur talking about but on Most occasions i have had to tank with my cleric and in kq a cleric has had to tank.

[gizelaX]

Tanking as a cleric is not really an option simply because you can't hold agro. Without it every mob will eventualy go for the damage dealers. I have an end/spr 1:1 cleric buid and I am able to take quite a lot of hits, but it's more to tanking than just being a punch bag. You have to be able to keep the attention of the mob and we simply don't have the capabilities.

In a pair up party with a damage dealer it's easier (and faster) to just let the damage dealer tank and spam heal on them, because as long as you stay on yellow coloured monsters you should do ok. And yes, I have been in KQs where a cleric was forced to tank due to a lack of high lvl fighters, but even when we managed to win it was not pretty.

So basicaly: a tanking cleric is a last resort.

[Diatomic]

cleric tank can happen in lower lvler KQs, but its another story once you go into the Robo KQ, its next to impossible for cleric to tank...winning and loosing is always dependent on the amount of good fighter tanks participating. So I think that cleric tanking are very limited at higher levels, although not entirely impossible.

[shaun.kings]

hej look clerics are not ment for soloing because they are not suppost to deal alot of damage.they are suppost to party and heal and crapp like that.you know what i mean?
and fighters are suppost to deal the most damage than any other class ex.claric,archer,mage.
can you reply this message and tell me if i am wrong or not???

[Diatomic]

I do not agree with you on the fact that fighters deal the most damage because I am sure most ppl would agree, power wise, mages holds the title for being the damage dealer. So yeah, you are wrong on that part.

Additionally, clerics are built to support, but they do fine soloing...
Let me give you an example...in uruga, there is this spider queen, I see a lvl 49 fighter getting butchered and kill by it within a few hits. and at the same time, a lvl 44 cleric comes along and solo that spider, thought took forever, at the end survived...I don't think any class are meant for anything. This prove that cleric can solo much more efficient than fighters, now who is not meant for soloing? Can mages and archer say the same thing?

Therefore, clerics are meant for both soloing and partying...best of both world.

[Andromeda]

I do not agree with you on the fact that fighters deal the most damage because I am sure most ppl would agree, power wise, mages holds the title for being the damage dealer. So yeah, you are wrong on that part.

Additionally, clerics are built to support, but they do fine soloing...
Let me give you an example...in uruga, there is this spider queen, I see a lvl 49 fighter getting butchered and kill by it within a few hits. and at the same time, a lvl 44 cleric comes along and solo that spider, thought took forever, at the end survived...I don't think any class are meant for anything. This prove that cleric can solo much more efficient than fighters, now who is not meant for soloing? Can mages and archer say the same thing?

Therefore, clerics are meant for both soloing and partying...best of both world.

Hmm you can only find Queen Spiders in Ancient Elven Woods and I find it suprising that a Lv 44 cleric managed to solo it considering Queen Spider is a Lv 63 Elite Monster

[Doncer]

For the record. Clerics CAN gank aggro off of both fighters and mages if they truly try using the heal aggro. However it takes a TON of mana to gank said aggro off, especially if the fighter is taunting constantly or the mage is a crit build one.

One time I was in CP with a group of my lower lvl guildmates PLVLing them when this lvl 30 fighter joined. Even though I was higher hp and higher def and we were only 5vs1ing monsters not AoEing he kept taunting and I kept using my max heal spell spam and ganking it off then yelling at him to stop taunting over and over.

But that was a case of deliberate ganking off a lower lvl fighter with no business tanking. Meanwhile in AEW trumpies my groups tend to AoE a lot and I tend to be the solo healer. End result I'm spamming constant heals on the tank. After a brief duration half or all of the mocked trumpys switch over to attacking me.

Elsewhere I've came across times where we had a bunch of mages, archers, and even clerics but no tanks to be found and thus became the defacto tank. Its amazing how long a cleric can hold aggro by doing nothing other than spamming heal 08 and rejuvenate against even the most determined mage or archer.

Here's the thing though.. it takes a ton of spammage of the heal spells to build up enough 'base' aggression in monsters that it ignores true aggression from fighter taunts or mage damage. That translates to a huge waste of sp just to hold aggro on a single monster (or swarm of them).

In other words a well built cleric both in stats and empowerments COULD tank.. but a tanker does it better, easier, and most importantly of all cheaper since it doesn't take the fighter 1k mana just to maintain aggro throughout a single attack. >_<

[Diatomic]

Hmm you can only find Queen Spiders in Ancient Elven Woods and I find it suprising that a Lv 44 cleric managed to solo it considering Queen Spider is a Lv 63 Elite Monster

Its just a typo, but u do go to eleven wood from uruga. if you want more specifications, there are trampy where the queen spider spawn. Do you want the exact direction to that place also?

[Kholai]

Yes, clerics can tank. Babykitt was kind enough to post my guide for it. A cleric can, in an emergency, or even as a long-term duoing technique, tank well enough to keep aggro off a damage dealer.

Can a cleric tank better than a fighter?

If the fighter has a brain, probably not. Kick taunt is cheap, and grabs aggro much faster and more cheaply than Heal, and a fighter loses aggro much slower if they know how to taunt.

If the fighter is incompetent (I'm amazed to see level 30-50 fighters who still don't taunt when they're the only fighter), then they'll actually lose aggro more than a dedicated cleric, and frequently lose aggro to that cleric.

The only enemy that a cleric could serve as a superior tank to a competent fighter against is a magical enemy. Clerics magic defence is far superior to a fighters, so despite their lower hitpoint total they have more survivability, especially when combined with constant self-heals.

Cleric tanking is almost always more expensive than just healing a fighter, however, and the limitations and downsides of the technique should always be considered. It is almost always better to have the cleric take aggro from as many enemies as possible than it is to let the squishy tank however.

As to soloing a Queen Spider - I actually wouldn't be surprised in all honesty. Especially if the cleric in question was full endurance. The spider doesn't attack super quickly, and so long as it doesn't one hit kill a cleric, then the cleric should be able to out-heal it, or at very least supplement Heal with stones. It was possible for me at 36 to solo Blue Trumpies, with one or two extra degrees of Heal, and the upgraded defence tier of a level 44 Cleric, they would have a pretty good chance of walking away.

Remember, for a cleric damage is irrelevant, hitting without bash and healing when necessary uses a fraction of the SP and kills a monster just as assuredly. It's cleric immortality that lets them win combats.

[SamusNerd]

so basicly clerics can be a dmg dealer?

[Kholai]

Sure! Clerics can be damage dealers. They're just terrible ones, full endurance especially. Even the most damaging cleric (2:1 Str:Spr cut off at 25) would probably be worse at damage than a badly made mage, and since clerics are melee, the lack of block % from endurance would be a bad move for them. If you're interested in damage, 'tis better to go 25 spirit for the criticals, or even strength. For the.... +1 damage.

[Luna_Moore]

It's the fighter's build vs. the cleric's... an all END cleric beats an all STR fighter as a tanker any day... but if the fighter is built to tank, he will make a better tanker. Clerics make pretty damn good tankers too though. Got to watch one do so for a Mara KQ and it was a victory. She was level 25. The only thing is, I like the fighter's sneering kick - less heart attacks.

EDIT; The only reason I say a fighter built for tanking is better than a cleric built for tanking is because of the sneering kick. Otherwise, I'd say they're a tie. lol.

[Doncer]

Luna? Like I said in my other post.. you feel that way now because you're still low level on your cleric. It changes more and more in the favor of the fighter the higher you get. Full str fighters will end up having way more hp and def than full end clerics by lvl 40 while also having way way way way way more attack ability.

At higher levels the only time all that end is good for a cleric is when the AoE monsters change targets off the tank after spam healing, during Guild War fights, and those few occassions when you have no fighters to depend on.

[-Leona-]

Correct me if i'm wrong THIS topic was called CLERICS TANKING right, NOW what the heck was that poll made for cuz looking at the topic title i would understand something like WHICH OF THE 2 IS BETTER FOR TANKING, GOD every sane person knows u cannot tank with a mage, so the pole is really really useless.

ROFL and i'm corious to know who answered mages ROFL and how many seconds they lasted tanking :cuz we're definetely talking seconds not minutes lol.

[Doncer]

Leona I think you're going to make us all blush by noticing that thing which none of the rest of us did. I always assumed, and think everyone else posting on this did as well, that the options were cleric or fighter not the mage option you so obviously now pointed out.

My only excuse is that I never bother to look at polls since they're almost always stupid and pointless.

[Iytjusa]

OK THE POLL IS F*CKING STUPID!?
AND FIGHTER FULL END WILL NOT OVER THROW A FULL END CLERIC!

my lvl 26full end cleric over powerd a lvl 34 full END fighter!

then again clerics can HEAL themselves in battle^^
fighters just have more Agro control wich is usless cuz it never works cuz the fighters are dumb a§§e's cuz they never use TAUNT!!!@_@! so i end up tanking anyways-__-:mad: and who the hell answerd MAGE for the poll!!!!!

ROFLMAORH=(ROLLING ON FLOOR LAUGHING MY F*CKING *** OFF REALLY HARD!)

[Kholai]

Hm. I party with a mage all the time, and she tanks King Coll, all vivis, even Uruga enemies quite successfully. Lasts longer than some clerics I could name.

As for the superiority of full strength fighters.... Nah. I'd still rather have a cleric than a full strength fighter with me in Uruga. The extra defence, superiority against magic enemies, and the ability to block damage, plus they can heal themselves. I agree that it's not really worth being full endurance for a cleric though.

[Liala]

Last night I tanked a King Coll and an Ogre at the same time.
It was truly, the shining moment of my Mage Tanking Career.

anyways...

Clerics can tank. Clerics can hold agro (spam heal).

Who's the better tank, Fighter or Cleric?
Fighter, especially if its a END fighter,who knows how to use their skills, fighters are meant to tank, thats why they have all that HP. :p

However, give me a competent Cleric tank over an incompetent fighter, or full STR Fighter, any day.

[Game_Hermit]

Clerics can't tank, period. I also have an archer and it can easily pull agro from clerics with just auto-attack. Clerics can, in theory, take enough damage for tanking, but they can't keep agro at all. If my archer grabs agro from clerics all the time with just auto-attack, what do you think would happen if there was a mage in the party? Even if i was with a well scrolled pure STR cleric who somehow managed to keep agro, what happens when my archer inevitably chains several crits together? If i ever find a cleric i can't instantly steal agro from, i'll admit that clerics can tank. Until then, i have to insist that it isn't possible.

[Kholai]

Alas! If only there were some form of.... I don't know, guide to cleric tanking somewhere on these forums, perhaps in someone's signature, that detailed how to hold aggro of monsters even in a party of four damage dealers!

Well, I guess we'll never know if cleric tanking using heal aggro alone without the cleric even needing to touch the monster is possible shall we?

[Luna_Moore]

Doncer: Yeah, that was a stupid post for me to put up. Now that I think of it, fighters are built to tank - the end. This is what I get for posting when tired. >__<


Leona: LOL. You're not the only one who noticed and was all... er, wth?!

[leja2]

don't mind mine spelling because i can't spell at all.
Clerics can tank thats a fackt. I'm a cleric and today only with two archers, mage and another cleric we defeted in KQ fake mara and marlone, real mara. I was tanking and I'm only 23 lvl. The only good things about fighters is stunt.

[Doncer]

Err... leja2... Please refer to my comments in the many threads where people have said "clerics tank better than fighters and that fighters are only good for stun". Actually since I doubt you will let me summarise.

You are low level. It changes and eventually you'll want the fighters to always tank even if they put 0 free stats into endurance and you're a full end cleric higher level than them. The only time clerics will be tanking is when there is no fighters available and/or you accidently gank the aggro off the tank from spamming heals.

[Summit]

Err... leja2... Please refer to my comments in the many threads where people have said "clerics tank better than fighters and that fighters are only good for stun". Actually since I doubt you will let me summarise.

You are low level. It changes and eventually you'll want the fighters to always tank even if they put 0 free stats into endurance and you're a full end cleric higher level than them. The only time clerics will be tanking is when there is no fighters available and/or you accidently gank the aggro off the tank from spamming heals.

Yep what Reviva said even though she'd try to run out and out tank me at times ahem :P a fighter is a little more uselfull for tanking like our two tauns + stun we're not just good for stun, also our fatal slash has a low cd so we can spam it and hold aggro a little better ^^ but hey clerics can tank also but when the cleric loses aggro your option to gain it back is spam heal attack skill heal attack skill or spam heal the person who aggro'd the mob most likely a mage.

[Game_Hermit]

don't mind mine spelling because i can't spell at all.
Clerics can tank thats a fackt. I'm a cleric and today only with two archers, mage and another cleric we defeted in KQ fake mara and marlone, real mara. I was tanking and I'm only 23 lvl. The only good things about fighters is stunt.
If you're not lying that can only mean you have a +9 green hammer, you're lv25 and you have an all STR build, while the mage and archers have horrible gear, full END and are lv17. As i said, my archer can easily pull agro from a nonkicking fighter or a cleric with nothing but auto-attack. Mages have even more damage. You're either lying or there's something you're not telling us.

[Kholai]

If you're not lying that can only mean you have a +9 green hammer, you're lv25 and you have an all STR build, while the mage and archers have horrible gear, full END and are lv17. As i said, my archer can easily pull agro from a nonkicking fighter or a cleric with nothing but auto-attack. Mages have even more damage. You're either lying or there's something you're not telling us.

Apparently subtlety is not your strong point. Solitude can do that to a man I suppose. Look at the links below my signature picture. What are they about? Are they about Cleric Tanking? WOW!
Yes. Clerics can hold aggro.
Yes. They're perfectly capable of holding it over a bunch of archers and mages. Yes. I do it all the time.
No. You can't take aggro off an experienced Clanker unless you happen to be one level before their next Heal upgrade, and have a few levels over them.

[Driftlock]

Clerics can't tank, period. I also have an archer and it can easily pull agro from clerics with just auto-attack. Clerics can, in theory, take enough damage for tanking, but they can't keep agro at all. If my archer grabs agro from clerics all the time with just auto-attack, what do you think would happen if there was a mage in the party? Even if i was with a well scrolled pure STR cleric who somehow managed to keep agro, what happens when my archer inevitably chains several crits together? If i ever find a cleric i can't instantly steal agro from, i'll admit that clerics can tank. Until then, i have to insist that it isn't possible.

If that's what you think cleric tanking is...you haven't met a cleric who can tank. The way a cleric who is tanking holds aggro isn't through auto-attack, it's through using high rank heals on themselves and causing effective aggro through them. If you allow a cleric to get the mob/boss aggroed to him and let him heal him/herself a few times they'll have a pretty good jump on aggro.

I haven't done higher level tanking, but I've seen some of it, and already in the Golden Hill? (I think, the ice one.) KQ I already have begun to see the difference people are mentioning. While a cleric can do it, the natural health pool of the Fighter, and their abilities to hold or gain aggro trump a cleric and make it an overall safer situation, granted that the Fighter is competent.

Still, I enjoy tanking, it's fun to do, but if I see a fighter that seems like he knows what he's doing and can match my HP, I won't even volunteer to tank.

[maximum]

cleric own fighter. atleast in this story: im a cleric and i beat almost th whole king slimes kq.i died at king slime(last boss) but i fough all the other monsters alone,oh wait i wasnt alone, an lvl 20 fighter was with me and he died at prince slime. i was lvl 17. this is true

[Torvald_GreenHook]

clerics can tank as well as any other.. today i was tank for a robo party...fighters do more damage but clerics can heal themselves so it might take a bit longer but it can be done...

all classes can tank with the right party... its all about playing our part. if we do we all come home for dinner in one piece :-)

[farard]

cleric own fighter. atleast in this story: im a cleric and i beat almost th whole king slimes kq.i died at king slime(last boss) but i fough all the other monsters alone,oh wait i wasnt alone, an lvl 20 fighter was with me and he died at prince slime. i was lvl 17. this is true

just how did a lvl 20 fighter get into slime quest, would be nice to know

[pepsi-pie]

Clerics do very well tanking even though a lot of people say otherwise, the only difference is it takes them a little longer but since they can heal they can fight just about anywhere that doesn't kill you in one or two shots. :p

[Kaleidoscope]

Clerics can take the damage and stay alive just as easily as fighters can, however in higher levels that just isn't the point.

The point is in higher levels everything arrgos, and you're usually partied with a mage or an archer or something that does more damage then you do. The monsters will go for whatever makes them angriest and if a mage is there popping off high-powered spell after spell it's GOING to go for the mage.

Or another monster in the area is going to arrgo and go after the squishes. And while a cleric can indeed hold arrgo on one or two monsters, they can't arrgo many in the area all at once, and their cleric tanking-skills are just not as reliable as a good mock or taunt.

Anyone who has been in Robo KQ would understand this. :3

[Game_Hermit]

Apparently subtlety is not your strong point. Solitude can do that to a man I suppose. Look at the links below my signature picture. What are they about? Are they about Cleric Tanking? WOW!
Yes. Clerics can hold aggro.
Yes. They're perfectly capable of holding it over a bunch of archers and mages. Yes. I do it all the time.
No. You can't take aggro off an experienced Clanker unless you happen to be one level before their next Heal upgrade, and have a few levels over them.
Liar. My main character is a cleric and i have an alt cleric on another server. Earlier today i was partied with a mage and an archer. I didn't have agro past the first hit or two the entire time. Believe me, when mages and archers are doing 99% of the tanking i have to spam heal. Where is this miraculous heal agro you keep talking about? Nothing i do can get me agro. Not using my pathetic little special attack and not spam healing. I've also never once had a cleric be able to keep agro off me when i'm playing my archer or mage. When i see the video or see it in person i'll believe it. Until then you're either lying or delusional. I'm not even going to waste the time reading your little guide to pretending you can tank.


If that's what you think cleric tanking is...you haven't met a cleric who can tank. The way a cleric who is tanking holds aggro isn't through auto-attack, it's through using high rank heals on themselves and causing effective aggro through them.
I never said the cleric was using auto-attack. What i said was my archer can pull agro from a cleric even if my archer is only using auto-attack. Using heals doesn't do anything significant, see above.


The only reason I say a fighter built for tanking is better than a cleric built for tanking is because of the sneering kick. Otherwise, I'd say they're a tie. lol.
Fighter has more base END, which means they have more HP and a higher block rate. You might want to actually look at the stats next time before you make baseless claims.

[Doncer]

For the record? I at lvl 49 just today ganked aggro off a 53 archer, a 49 mage, a 49 tank all in the same party and kept it off on many occassions. It's called AoE parties. If you'd ever been in one as a cleric and had properly skill empowerred and casted your heals you'd know what people are talking about.

[Driftlock]

I never said the cleric was using auto-attack. What i said was my archer can pull agro from a cleric even if my archer is only using auto-attack. Using heals doesn't do anything significant, see above.

Aight, I misread that first bit when I posted. Either way...if you're pulling with just auto-attack, the cleric is definitely doing something wrong. Heals won't always do anything significant...you have to actually take damage to make the healing effective.

If I sit there and spam a max rank heal on myself next to an archer or mage I highly doubt I'll pull aggro, it's when I'm getting blasted for 200 a hit, healing that every time, and throwing in other stuff like a HoT and bash when I feel like it that causes me to hold aggro. That's what I meant by effective healing...it isn't effective if you heal already when at full health.

[farard]

regardless of the clerics build(there is no right or wrong build just a personel choice) a cleric should only tank as a last resort ie no fighter, fighter too stupid ( not all just 99.9995%of them) or to gain time while party stops wetting themselves and get their act together. a good cleric stays back heals, res and be prepared to clean up the mess other classes make.

[Doncer]

Off-topic a bit here but.. OMG I love the pongcat in Driftlock's sig! It's even cuter than the sniper kitty and tech support kitty images I used to use in avatars or sigs. ^_^

BTW and back on topic a bit speaking of cleric tanking times.. other day me and a 48 fighter were PLVLing some lower lvl people in CP. The lower lvls (and the tank actually) kept ignoring me and standing close enough to spawns and not moving until they got aggrod. The tank was smart / good enough to be willing to spam their area taunts and attacks and stuns every time a new monster got on a party member. But was stupid enough to never do like I say and "fall back a bit we need to get out of the spawns".

Eventually through my healing spam ganking aggros off tank since the tank never used hp stones or pots and the other aggros still on tank we had 5 on me and 4 on the tank and I was somehow through some miracle keeping us both alive. Finally after ignoring me for so long the tank said "too many" when a 6th aggrod onto me and bugged out without a by your leave thus leaving our 2 dead, myself, and the other still living lower lvl without a care and with his 4 still chasing after him. The other lower lvl seeing the tank bug out also bugged out but at this point I now had 6 on me and knew if I tried running it would be suicide since I wouldn't be able to spam heals fast while moving through prior experience plus I refuse to leave party members dead.

Since I no longer had to also heal the tank I was able to get off a heal/restore/heal/rejuve/invin combo off and immediately cast revive on the lvl 23 cleric that was dead and told them to revive the other dead party member. I then returned to heal spamming myself. They did and now with both of them living and slowly knocking away at the swarm on me we soon had the 6 back down to 3 while on party chat window I see that our fighter's health is now gone... then the fighter's train all came back at once and slammed onto me and I now had 7 all at once on me when I had just started to slow down my heal spam. I died followed soon after by both of the others still with me.

I was annoyed at this point but wouldn't have said anything to the tank beyond a "ugh why wouldn't you move back when I asked you to?" but before I'd said a single word the tank blasted me on party channel saying "why didn't you leave idiot now you dead and so are us stupid". ... I managed to survive a situation the tank decided was too bad to stick around for and almost had all the monsters dead when the idiot's train smashed me and he had the sheer gaul to say that to me. -_-

Some people just are not cut out for these games. -_-

[Kholai]

Liar. My main character is a cleric and i have an alt cleric on another server. Earlier today i was partied with a mage and an archer. I didn't have agro past the first hit or two the entire time. Believe me, when mages and archers are doing 99% of the tanking i have to spam heal. Where is this miraculous heal agro you keep talking about? Nothing i do can get me agro. Not using my pathetic little special attack and not spam healing. I've also never once had a cleric be able to keep agro off me when i'm playing my archer or mage. When i see the video or see it in person i'll believe it. Until then you're either lying or delusional. I'm not even going to waste the time reading your little guide to pretending you can tank.

Well, this needs to be said then.
Man you suck as a cleric. I have at times pulled aggro off the mage, the tank (leading cause of cleric death), archers.... Tell you what, why don't you swing past the Apoline server sometime around 7-8 p.m GMT, and give me a whisper. I'll let you tag along as an observer on one of the Famous grinding parties and go clank me some King Colls. I may even go hold the aggro of multiple monsters at once whilst the Famous Maiya, and maybe a few other damage dealers use AOEs next to them, just to show you it can be done, and, if you're lucky enough to see such an event, though it is rather rare to see outside of Uruga, see me actually manage to pull an enemy off a mage that is spamming their attack spells against the mob.

As a side note to all would-be clankers, it's actually easier for a cleric to take and hold aggro in areas over their level than it is in low level areas. This is because heal aggro is constant, whilst damage aggro is reduced by damage drop and misses. This actually makes fighterless groups in Uruga far more stable than they would be letting a squishy take the hits.



The Fighter has more base END, which means they have more HP and a higher block rate. You might want to actually look at the stats next time before you make baseless claims.

Base endurance does not have any visible impact on Block rate. Higher HP is certainly true, allowing fighters to tank more safely against certain enemies, and to tank enemies that the cleric can't. For the most part, however, it's the cheapness and efficiency of taunts that makes it much better for a fighter to tank than a cleric. Unless the fighter is 0 Endurance and uses a zweihander.

Whilst Fighters are indeed more efficient tanks, one unusual benefit of a cleric holding aggro is that whilst they are spamming heal, the aggro generated applies to every monster attacking them, rather than a single target as caused by kick.


Doncer - Ouch. Sympathies there. What sort of tank runs before the cleric does? Or manages to get to that high a level despite their incompetence?

[chaosenigma]

Clerics dont really need to tank, though more HP and defence does help both the Tanker and the Cleric or even any other class duo's.

With higher HP you dont usually need to cast heal on yourself and can still keep the tanker alive while shrugging off most blows with a stone or two until the Tanker can get the monster off your back.

With a mage or another damage dealer you will constantly be healing yourself so like The Famous Kholai said, you will hold aggro even without a fighters taunt and with the mage dealing loads of damage. And so more defence and hp still helps so you can get in a bash or two without constantly spamming heal.

So yeah, clerics can tank.. but never as good or better then a pure end Fighter when it comes to damage taken and stones used.

[Game_Hermit]

I was trying to help a mage with some quests yesterday. It started with me trying to tank. I'd run up and attack the monster and get a couple of hits in, take some damage, heal, then she casts one spell and it runs over to her. She actually pulled agro off me when i had the mob half dead and had already healed a few times. I gave up after the first few mobs and decided it would be easier if only one of us took damage. She tanked the rest of the time. Even mages tank better than clerics. As squishy as they are, at least they can get agro. The only time i've ever managed to keep agro was in gold hill at lv30 in a party with a bunch of people barely over 20 and even then i had to have a head start on the mob.

[Semaj]

yup, mages make great tanks. specially if they have AOE skills. death to all. most of our guilds mages are *tanker* mages. unless they are with a much higher level fighter.

[Andromeda]

Of course clerics can tank but people would rather have a fighter tanking than a cleric since fighters naturally have Higher HP and Def and with Mock and Devastate and Snearing Kick I could keep agro off clerics at all times :D

As you enter the higher levels. You will never see a cleric tanking since the mobs just get too strong and you are almost required to have a fighter in your party at all times.

Ill put this quite simply clerics are ok for tanking in lower levels but I would defaintely not rely on them Uruga onwards. By the time you get to Uruga anyway most fighters are around Lv 50 which means Devastate which can basically put all the tanking clerics to shame after that point.

[Kholai]

Ill put this quite simply clerics are ok for tanking in lower levels but I would defaintely not rely on them Uruga onwards. By the time you get to Uruga anyway most fighters are around Lv 50 which means Devastate which can basically put all the tanking clerics to shame after that point.

Huh. And here I thought it was actually easier to clank in Uruga for a cleric than it is in Goblin Camp. Especially when AOEing where they can hold the aggro of entire groups all at once, and more cheaply than a fighter using multiple AOE moves. I agree, fighters are great for any party, so long as they're competent, but clerics get better, not worse, at holding aggro as they gain levels.

In fact, it's harder to clank yellow monsters than it is red, especially with a mage in the party.


Game_Hermit.... Well, maybe you should have read the guide? I dunno, I successfully took aggro off mages from around level 26 onwards. Now I can take aggro from a lure with as little as a single cast of Rejuvenate.