Rushing?!?! For an empty chest?!?!?

[Enoch]

I've been playing sense CB2, and only recently, and only here in Bijou have i seen people "rushing" through the Mara KQ. This kills fun of the quest, makes it all but impossible to complete side quests, massively reduces the amount of XP we receive and puts everyone at risk of being killed.
I just don't get the reasoning behind this maneuver. And if the things I listed above weren't bad enough, at the end, it's rare to get an item in your chest. It really makes the Mara KQ nearly pointless. Am I mistaken, or was there a patch that was meant to fix this empty chest problem? The empty chest problem seems to be a trend in Gold hill too, is this going to be fixed soon or will I be entering Robo to discover the same problem there? I hope a GM will take the time to shed some light on the chest issue here, and for the sake of everyone that enters Mara's KQ, please stop "rushing", I'm done with mine, but there are allot of other people who have quests to finish and XP to gain. Don't be selfish and impatient, please give them a chance to do so.....after all, your chest is most likely going to be empty anyway.
Ok, I'm done griping, I guess it's now time for you to start the string of pointless insults...enjoy.

[Archaonn]

Meh it sucks, especially when you die you'll get killed again by monsters this has happened to me when I was a lvl 17 in a Mara KQ I died and i had to get back to the party but a lot of monsters started to come up to me, it wasn't pretty. Sometimes you'll get prizes in chests it's all about luck. Sometimes i buy the rewards, got this +40 hp earring for 800c a steal!

[crystalorbie]

Just tell everyone to only kill what you need for quests, or whatever attacks people.

I tell everyone "don't rush, and only kill what gets in the way" and everyone does just that.

Though I might just have been lucky so far, and got nice people to play with...

[Devina]

It's worst in Bijou, but does happen in other servers (at least I was in a rush kq in Apoline once). Why? Because Bijou is a fairly new server, fewer people are in it, even fewer people have reached the level for Mara kq (although it's increasing). So if people joined an earlier kq, rushed through, they can join a later one as well.
I don't mind rushing, I have enough END to live through it, but I wish I can avoid it in general. By now, I've given up @@ I just hope when my mage gets to the level to enter Mara kq, she'll survive the rush...

[Brunya]

I detest rushing in the Mara KQ, plain and simple.

One series of KQ that I've been in, we didn't rush and stayed as a team, and lo and behold, we all got into another KQ! And won both, 2x the exp, which was VERY handy.

Now take a team that rushes, it's impossible to finish since some people get left behind and killed (mages), some people need to get out of it, only SOME experience is gained but in all totals, it's just not as much as a team that works well together and steadily kills their way to the end.

I don't even understand why people NEED to rush. Not like you're going to get anything good out of your box at the end by finishing earlier. And I'd rather finish the quest than rush through it and die, just to get into another one, yet it's not GUARENTEED that you'll get in it!

[yanokito]

ive recently joined bijou server too....
everything was new to me... in mara kq, youll be ask if rush or no rush??@_@
but the thing is why people rush is that , after you joined mara kq [a], if you finish it faster, you have the chance to join mara kq[h] or the other mara kq....
the faster you finish, the better.. coz that means 2x kq for you...
so far, im lvl26, and i got no more mara kq..
and the nice thing bout mara kq was, i was getting better items than GH kq...

the best thing i got was:
+4 lvl20 green thunder wand(or something) - +6 initial crit..
+4 lvl20 green moon roumen staff
+3 lvl20 mage shirt +4 lvl20 mage shirt
earrings, elrues and lixs.....
and good exp too....^^

but in GH kq... i sucked on getting anything...only those earrings...-_-
hopefully i can get something rare again...^^

[Bubba111]

GH is pretty much a waste of time, bad rewards 80% of the time, thats IF you can even finish it. Most people end up dying off too quick because they dont listen properly. Anyways thats not what this thread is about..

I prefer rushing, simply because Im normally doing something else when the KQs start and I just want to get back to that. But if someone says they need a quest done, I have no problem what-soever helping, I dont mind sparing a bit of my time to help another. Thats the whole reason I became a cleric :D, heal ftw! Why, more people dont do this is beyond me.. Why play if your only out for yourself, its no fun -_-.

[AdamWest]

i've finished all my quests and i'm at a level now where the mara kq isn't really that great of an exp gain for 40 minutes worth of playing. really i just join mara to goof around and relax, that can mean rushing or trying to tank both bosses at once (this can be A LOT of fun, but can degrade into a giant **** storm easily) or killing all the fakes before the real ones (time management is key here)

some people dont go into a KQ trying to eek out every last piece of experience and try to finish every last side quest.

[Enoch]

HEY, Thanks to everyone for commenting!
I wish i knew how you got all those great mage items! I did Mara 20+ times, and gave it my all each time, and only got one pair of earrings, and 5 pots total! My poor mage just gets neglected by KQs. I know it's beta so I won't complain too much.
And I also agree, helping eachother is the way to go.
See yall in Isya!

[tjkraft]

i do mara kq alot. and never get anything from chest... havent yet anyways. maybe its cuz everyone is retarded and all they do is rush ...

[BloodOmega]

There's a reason why I like the Slime King KQ, it forces you to kill everything before it opens the gate to move on, and yes, I have been in a few Mara Kq's in Apoline and one here in Bijou and in all of them we all rushed while I needed to do the side quest! They never listened to me though T_T.

[ArcanusShadow]

i personally liked the rushing, if u do it correctly only u should only take a few hit and one potion or stone can easily take care of it. the key is to follow the lead rushing which SHOULD be someone who can tank. the onyl reason i do KQ is for the finish bonus, the amount of xp I earn from killing monster just isn't enough, i can get just the same or more by soloing or partying up at high lvls.
as for finishing the side quest. u have from lvl 17-lvl 25 thats like 20 mara at least and regardless of rushing u have to kill a few monster everytime. i personally finsihed all both of my mara within 10 KQ as a archer i finsihed before lvl 20, as a fighter i still need to finsih the 2nd part but rushing doesn't affect killing bosses.
now for the empty chest, it sucks but now the question is does the chance of getting empty chest increase BECAUSE we didn't kill the monster? or is it merely because mara kq is build like that. because if it is because we don't kill monsters then rushing might not be worthwhile anymore. but other than that i don't see anything wrong as long as u use your brain and keep up rushing is simple.

[HugoJustice]

On my cleric, great rush ahead, on my mage, please don't xD

[shorty101289]

Ive been playing since CB and untill recently had never experienced this rushing method. On teva, we never once rushed....always avoided as much agroo as possible, but killed what we needed to without letting any1 die. The quest got done, and believe it or not, the experience does add up. The first time i experienced rushing was on the apoline server(quit soon after) and then more recently on the bijou server. And so everyone is informed...anything u hear about gettin better items the quicker u finish, is complete bull****. I have found a better corolation to whether u lose a heart, and how active u are. In the only kq where we worked as a team, no one died, and killed multiple fakes...i received a plus 3 raging steel axe...and aleast 4 others recieved + armor or weapons. SO PLEASE, PLEASE...... stop the rushing.

[XpierulesX]

I once got L. roumen sword +4 from mara in teva, and chain armor +6 in mara..

[Enoch]

Yea, just once I want to kill EVERYTHING in Mara KQ. AND I MEAN EVERYTHING, all fakes, every archer, marine, soldier and boogy, just to see what the reward ends up being.
Haven't, in the past, +9 weapons been recieved from KQ?
I bet the reward would be substantial, and if even one +9 anything was given, you can bet that no one would ever rush again.

[Jynxie]

I agree rushing is pointless. I would do more KQ if I knew where the real gamers were to team up w/them. Too many jerks when I join Mara KQ.


Jynxd
LvL 20 Mage

[Aurun]

That's probably the biggest problem.. It'd be nice if you could form parties before you join the kq and ensure everyone got in the same one..

[jdrose143]

Woops... I accidently hit "I LOVE IT." I really hate rushers for any quest, becuase I love killing all the monsters, but alot of people leave me to deal with them alone and then I die with no one to res me. If you rush through KQs you dont get good exp anymore. And that is almost as important to me as the prizes at the end.

ArrowSnipe

[LatinoHeat]

lol i belive they already fixed it so u get something lmao y poll it now it was fixed after last patch

[tjkraft]

latino you moron, this thread was made before the last patch.. ya dummy

[Enoch]

lol i belive they already fixed it so u get something lmao y poll it now it was fixed after last patch

WHY THE HELL WOULD I POST THIS IF IT WEREN'T STILL A PROBLEM?!
Good to see your still the same as you ever were Frank.....arrogant as ever.
Read the post man...it says in Bijou...where it was still a problem at the time I posted this.
Nevermind, just one more thing, I hate you, and your attitude, you are one of the worst people I've ever encountered on any of the 3 servers. If you were any more full of yourself, you would explode.

[Duskfire]

Just wanted to note for you guys, if you ever see my character rush forward through the KQ, its 100% only because my fiance didn't get in the same KQ... and I cant stand being in anything that doesn't have her in it ;P lol

So others might be doing the same, just not for the same reason o.o

[KaizokuEpic]

lol try having your inventory empt before u open it.
I guess its luck but its been working for me.

i got:+4 chain mail amor last time i did it.XD

[ZeroLT1]

Actually I just did the Mara KQ today, no one rushed and everything was great. When I opened my chest I got a +4 Chain Armor as well.

[Infinite_Flow]

Wooo empty chests pwn~ atlesat you get decent exp from the KQ? >.>

[todd0168]

Too many times have I done KQ here and got nada, zip, zilch. I hate it. I don't mind the rushing too much as long as they aren't running through the mobs and not killing anything. I know that almost everyone I've done, we have hurried along, but stopped and killed anything that aggroed us. We just didn't go out of our way to grab and kill everything. But as of posting this, I am still having an issue of not getting anything in my chests at the end. Doesn't matter how much or little I help; how much or little we kill; I just get screwed at the end and I'm sick to death of it.

[Infinite_Flow]

my fastest mara KQ was done in less then 19minutes xD

[Lolatme]

I have done this many times ... and best thing i have gotten was probably sun steel crossbo+6.
But yet i have done all side quests, though i think i got lucky....



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[katubus]

I'm not going to comment on the history with you two lol, but wanted to throw this out there...

There are some instances where rushing is needed, ie a group that is almost ALL clerics, most of the time when this happens, if you don't rush, you'll run out of time. I"m sure there are other scenarios, but this is the only one that really makes sense to me. That said, it makes me angry to no end when ppl join the quest, decide as soon as you warp that they are going to rush through, sacrificing the lower level players (who aren't always noobs btw) and not filling up all the parties. If this is what you plan to do, why bloody well bother? ......must be that some ppl just get off on ruining things for everyone else.

I have found the rushing to be marginally better since this thread came up, but it is by no means fixed. It's improving.....

Oh and one last thing...Clerics, if you go into KQ, .....heal your party.....let the tank be the aggressor......

kq's go much better when you go into them with a team attitude..which I believe..is the POINT.

[Crystall]

I use my mage in apoline to go in Mara Kq, it happens there. First KQ my comp didn't load fast enough and i was left alone on the starting platform to die

I urge people not to rush but people only see the bad in it when there are 6 ppl left and everyone dies.

[Enoch]

I'm not going to comment on the history with you two lol, but wanted to throw this out there...

There are some instances where rushing is needed, ie a group that is almost ALL clerics, most of the time when this happens, if you don't rush, you'll run out of time. I"m sure there are other scenarios, but this is the only one that really makes sense to me. That said, it makes me angry to no end when ppl join the quest, decide as soon as you warp that they are going to rush through, sacrificing the lower level players (who aren't always noobs btw) and not filling up all the parties. If this is what you plan to do, why bloody well bother? ......must be that some ppl just get off on ruining things for everyone else.

I have found the rushing to be marginally better since this thread came up, but it is by no means fixed. It's improving.....

Oh and one last thing...Clerics, if you go into KQ, .....heal your party.....let the tank be the aggressor......

kq's go much better when you go into them with a team attitude..which I believe..is the POINT.

Nice post, i can see where in some cases it could be a good idea to rush, thats something i hadn't considered. assuming you tell the people around you. lol.

[frohner1]

i didnt read any replies, so this may have been covered already. i usually play with at least 2 friends and we arent gimps. so i guess that had an influence on what the other 2 in our party did, which makes 1/3 of the maras not rushing through... and when just 2 more people would notice, that makes half the group take it slowly

the other 7(/8) were forced to do as we did and not rush. i guess a solution to your problem(?) would be to get your group to take it slow. the rest will follow. hopefully that will help out any problems in maras.

the next problem we face is all the gold selling websites spawning +9's and bots running around everywhere

[kailance]

iv never gone throue a rush but iv seen it wher i got nothing in my chest or somthing useles.ive done gh 6 times and i got nothing but 1 potien or earings that hapended twice and then the other 2 i got nothing :mad: but i digres the exp was stile good.and the other two i got a 3+ lvl15 sword and the other one i killed almost everthing cuse i was the strongest warier and no one died once cuse i told them exactly what to do when we fight a enemy:eek: and at the end i got +6 lvl15 sword but iv never got 1 armer:confused:.i think is duse mater on the amount of lives everyone has at the end becuse everyone else said that they got hi + weps.also i am a beast at stratigy:eek:.im geek and proud of it.

[Lloriath]

when i was able to do mara kq i was usually the tank its mostly up to the tank and his party if he wants to rush because u cant win without them i hated rushing i took my time killing all the monsters that were attacking the people in the kq while some people rushed ahead if they rushed i told them i wouldnt protect them so they usually died idk if people want to rush or if they want to slow down there wasnt a mara kq that we didnt have enuf time to complete it with for me

[Ryokosha]

I agree. Rushing is dangerous and lowers the fun as well. :-/
Killing all the mobs isn't that difficult. If all do it together it even goes pretty fast. ^^'

[wolfdance]

lol i belive they already fixed it so u get something lmao y poll it now it was fixed after last patch

nope still get lots of empty chests

[jamasteX]

personally i hate people who just run and let monster be, because...
A.There are mages and archers left behind we might die
B.Low Exp since little amount of monsters are killed with rushing
C.The clerics have to go back and ress the characters that die
D.Makes Kq very irritating....
but there are points in rushing...
A.They want to get the chest as fast as they could...
B.They're done with quests just wants the chest....
C.Maybe they're not confident that they'll finish in time...
D.Makes Kq awarding...
though i have some points and some senseless ones, its my observation and so in general you shouldn't do it since there maybe some players with quests (thats why its called kingdom QUEST) stop rushing.... unless you really need to ^^

[Yoshimitzu_Zaraki]

rushing is good in mara KQ only in the part after u kill the fake mara n marlone

I always do this with my cleric Sakura__Haruno

after we killed the fake mara n marlone I start to run taking all the monsters with me, when i reach the boat I use my invincible skill, then aggro every monster in the boat with the monsters following me, then I go to the other side of the boat n then I die n I use 1 life n run back to the now empty side of the boat, saving every1 alot of time.

my case is rushing is good if u know what u r doing

[katubus]

Nice post, i can see where in some cases it could be a good idea to rush, thats something i hadn't considered. assuming you tell the people around you. lol.

lol, thank ya sir. And yes, ;) where kq's are supposed to be Team events...communication always helps! I always try to let ppl know..

I think it's best to assume there will always be someone joining the quest who is newer, or even a first timer for the quest. It's only fair to offer the same guidance you wanted when you were back in their shoes.

We're suposed to sacrifice monsters..not each other! :p

[Alektos]

Hrm...personally, I like to take my time in the Mara KQ. I'll kill things that are in my way or attacking others. And keep track of my party, issuing directives (Such as the one I did today in Teva to a fighter who charged Charismatic Mara right after we downed Marlone) 'Don't do that again....the clerics need a break. And the mages...and the archers...I'm sure the Tank wants one. -.-'

[wishmaker91]

Rushing is the worst thing ever in my opinion. But I wont say you why, the reasons can be seen above.... ^^

Just shout "dont rush, kill all the mobs that attack" or something and it should work.

BTW, is the "empty chest" thingy really a bug? I thought it wasnt....

[Ryokosha]

A GM already posted that it is a bug but they can't figure out why it happens (at least they asked to post more information when it happens, but there doesn't seem to be any pattern to it anyways...).

[doritobits]

yes ppl, please don't rush. (unless you got a good reason to aka you're running out of time)

Cause in most of the unfortunate mara kqs i've been in, the rushers chiong in front and

a) they die there because the clerics are behind with the rest and thus, always require ress-ing which takes up a lot of the cleric's time and sp.

b) people get left behind and THEY die too (especially if the poor cleric has to run up and down healing both sides - in which case, there's a high chance he/she'd die too.)

And at the end of the day, we usually
1) get little exp cause of all the mobs we missed
2) can't complete kq because a lot of people died
3) get a lot of disgruntled people and as a result, scattered teamwork which does not leave a very good feeling when you're done with kq
4) have a cleric user who suddenly sprouted a lot of white hair
5) have mage/archer users who also sprout white hair because their life is constantly in fits

Guys, life is short. Please don't rush. There aint' no great bijou sale going on and even in the case of that, our friendly neighbourhood aunties will beat us to it anytime. :D

[katubus]

yes ppl, please don't rush. (unless you got a good reason to aka you're running out of time)

Cause in most of the unfortunate mara kqs i've been in, the rushers chiong in front and

a) they die there because the clerics are behind with the rest and thus, always require ress-ing which takes up a lot of the cleric's time and sp.

b) people get left behind and THEY die too (especially if the poor cleric has to run up and down healing both sides - in which case, there's a high chance he/she'd die too.)

And at the end of the day, we usually
1) get little exp cause of all the mobs we missed
2) can't complete kq because a lot of people died
3) get a lot of disgruntled people and as a result, scattered teamwork which does not leave a very good feeling when you're done with kq
4) have a cleric user who suddenly sprouted a lot of white hair
5) have mage/archer users who also sprout white hair because their life is constantly in fits

Guys, life is short. Please don't rush. There aint' no great bijou sale going on and even in the case of that, our friendly neighbourhood aunties will beat us to it anytime. :D

lmao! I love the way you put that :)

[Animarchy]

In guild wars we called people who did that "chest addicts" and they were publicly ridiculed.

[pureshok]

I rush because atm I can get the same amount of exp a gh gives if i simply grind at MT as a end mage getting 100 exp per kill. Considering the gh gives 3.6kk exp and takes more then 36 mins. When I do have to kill something for a quest I usualy just leave the group and solo things my self. Idk I havent reached a lv (lv 31 now) where yellow mobs kill me quicker then I can pot/kill them.

[pacman33]

Lol revive of like a year or more old thread ftw!!!

[Bonthra]

Lol revive of like a year or more old thread ftw!!!

Revive = necro?

necro ftl

[pacman33]

Revive = necro?

necro ftl

lol necro?? and ftl? srry i'm bad with accronyms :o

[Bonthra]

Necro is bumping a thread that is more than a month old and typically not relevant to today's Fiesta. FTL is the opposite of FTW. For the loss and for the win, respectively.

[pacman33]

Necro is bumping a thread that is more than a month old and typically not relevant to today's Fiesta. FTL is the opposite of FTW. For the loss and for the win, respectively.

lol ok ftw i knew and necro i didn't know but how com it's called Necro? AND what does it mean when people on the forums say 10Char or Bump

[Bonthra]

I've moved our discussion to private messages so the CLs can close the necro-thread. ^^

[pacman33]

lol Bump ^^

[RanmaruX]

...and only recently, and only here in Bijou have i seen people "rushing" through the Mara KQ.

Only recently? o.0 I've always rushed Mara KQ lol, and it's the best way to do it.

It's much faster without killing the mobs, then you can make it to several KQ's in one go.

When you can solo the KQ, there's no point waiting for the noobs, they usually just mess things up anyway. >.<

I have a full +9 fighter just for that purpose. :p

[Bonthra]

Zzzz, Ran... He "only recently" saw this... a year and a half ago! XD I'd hope by now, he's noticing people racing through Gordon KQ.

[shihouinkyouhei]

no one ever does gordon kq and when they do, its out of sheer boredom...

[pacman33]

how come no1 does GM kq? doesn't it have blues in present box or something?

[RanmaruX]

Zzzz, Ran... He "only recently" saw this... a year and a half ago! XD I'd hope by now, he's noticing people racing through Gordon KQ.

Lmao, didn't look at the date, sorry my bad. :p

Zzz at necro. ._.