Archer Build Suggestions...

[demixraziel]

Ok I've been reading the forums (MissusDolly's Thread on archers - grecohawaii's comments on crit builds and a few other threads)

And I Was thinking Either 25spr/50Dex/RestStr or Pure SPR...

Here's What i Want To Do...

PvE and Ocasional PvP/PK (Is There PK In This Game?)

Well I began Thinking About The Crit Build... Sounds Awesome... But No PvP? Ok Next Build Then....

25spr/50dex/RestStr...

Ok NowTaking this on account...

STR = +1.2dmg
END = +.1%block(1~50)/.05%block(51+), +.5def, +5hp.
DEX = +.2%evade(1~50)/.1%evade(51+), +.3%aim(1~33)/.2%aim(34~67)/.1%aim(68+)
SPR = +.2%crit(1~25)/.1%crit(26+), +.5Mdef, +5sp

I Was Thinking Maybe Of Doing 50End instead of Dex?
50 dex = 10% evasion / 13.3 Aim
50 end = 25 Def / 250 hp

Whats The Normal Evasion Rate of an Archer?
How Many Attrib Pts Per lvl?
Will END Work In The Build I Suggested? I'm Asking This Since I Haven't Seen Anyone Mentioning It...

Ok So Thinking About These Calculations Makes Me Consider That End is Better Than Dex... Will Reduce DMG From Warriors(Fighters w/e) and from Full STR Archers... Giving Me A Better Chance To Fight Back... I Think That 25def and 250hp is way better than 10% extra evasion and 13.3 Aim... From What Ive Been Reading Archers Don't Even Need More Aim Than What They Already Have.

Can Someone Please Give Me Their Opinion? I Played Fiesta With A Fighter
When It Was On Closed Beta... LONG TIME AGO... Never Tried Archer In Here B4...

Any Input Will Be GREATLY Appreciated (ONLY IF POSITIVE... I Don't Want Flames)

REMINDER: I HAVEN'T PLAYED IN A LONG TIME AND NEVER PLAYED MUCH SO TALK TO ME LIKE I'M A NEW PLAYER... Don't use acronyms or anything of the sorts... ill just go ???

[fireyair]

Dude, Ewo has a thread made for precisely this purpose. Here's (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145187) the link.

In the future, take care to skim thru the first page of a folder before you create a new thread in it.

Edit: Why do you capitalize every single word, it gets quite irritating when trying to read.



Peace:cool:

[demixraziel]

Dude, Ewo has a thread made for precisely this purpose. Here's (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145187) the link.

In the future, take care to skim thru the first page of a folder before you create a new thread in it.

Edit: Why do you capitalize every single word, it gets quite irritating when trying to read.



Peace:cool:

i already read that post... didn't i say i went tru the forums? and like i said in my first post... i didnt find what i wanted to know about.... seems u didnt care to read the full post

if u dont like my style of writing it doesn't mean i should change it or that i should take into consideration that you don't like it

why make another thread? first of all i want this post to be visible to more ppl in case they want to know about this too... second, i want more ppl involved in this topic... and besides... does it kill u? no? good... don't complain -.-

this is what i meant about constructive posts -.-"

[onkrack]

Err, yeah. Anyway, I advise going pure str.

However, it seems like you are a bit of stats person so lets discuss what they actually do.

STR = +1.2dmg
This is pure dmg. It goes straight through your enemies defence. Eg you deal 1000 dmg to an enemy. If you have 100 free stat str you do 1120 instead. Sounds a bit weak? Some enemies have seriously good defence especially bosses and other players. If you do 100 dmg to them with 100 free stat str you will do 220. Much better.

DEX = +.2%evade(1~50)/.1%evade(51+), +.3%aim(1~33)/.2%aim(34~67)/.1%aim(68+)
Seriously, no one has conclusively proven what dex does in this game. If you want to play around with it go right ahead.

SPR = +.2%crit(1~25)/.1%crit(26+), +.5Mdef, +5sp
Spirit is mainly for crit. What's good about it is that it is percentile rather than additive. So 25 spirit at L20 works the same as 25 spirit at L89, taking crit into account only, but thats what most people care about. Spirit also adds MDef. Like str this works outside the dmg calculation. Eg you take 100 mdmg. If you had 25 free stat spirit you will take 87.5 dmg. Mini Dragon pounces on you for 3000 mdmg, with free stat 25 spirit you take 2987.5 dmg instead. Woohoo.

END = +.1%block(1~50)/.05%block(51+), +.5def, +5hp.
Unfortunately, archers cant make use of the block. Similar to how spirit works, the extra def End gives works outside the dmg calcualtion. No silly examples this time.

So lets take a look at you builds:

Pure SPR
Well, this has been debated to be a very good build for PVP. It also gives you a lot of MDef against mages and since they tend to have lower defs you could be a good mage slayer. But from what I heard, archers are a little on the weak side in high level PVP.

25spr/50dex/RestStr...
You get the best of crit and the best of Eva. Str will help out on those tougher mobs. This looks like a good all round build.


Whats The Normal Evasion Rate of an Archer?
They're dodge rates are quite impressive. Don't know any figures but they have the best natural dodge rates of the classes.


How Many Attrib Pts Per lvl?
1 (stingy huh?)


Will END Work In The Build I Suggested? I'm Asking This Since I Haven't Seen Anyone Mentioning It...
End is a stat you must continue in investing in. If you just put 50 in it then the higher you level the less harder it will work. I've seen pure End mages, I don't see why you cant have a pure end archer. I dont advise this unless you can get some +9 gear to balance you character, unless you are hardcore.


Ok So Thinking About These Calculations Makes Me Consider That End is Better Than Dex... Will Reduce DMG From Warriors(Fighters w/e) and from Full STR Archers... Giving Me A Better Chance To Fight Back... I Think That 25def and 250hp is way better than 10% extra evasion and 13.3 Aim...
End is better then Dex? I cant answer that because I dont know how Dex works. End, however, is a good consistent stat to invest in. It will reduce the dmg but think of it like this. A fighter that has 5 stats in str will do 6 dmg to you. You will need 12 points in end to counter the dmg. Is it worth it? The smidgen of extra life that End gives you is not worth it either as that will be chopped off in one hit, or less.


From What Ive Been Reading Archers Don't Even Need More Aim Than What They Already Have.
Depends what you are shooting, and what you ar using to shoot. Some monsters later in the game have really high evasions. This can be countered by getting a special type of weapon (Bellow Knight and Blues). So yeah, some people say Dex for aim is rather useless. But in PVP...

Well, I dont think I answered any of you questions but prehaps its given you something to think about. If you are in doubt go pure str.

[fireyair]

i already read that post... didn't i say i went tru the forums? and like i said in my first post... i didnt find what i wanted to know about.... seems u didnt care to read the full post

if u dont like my style of writing it doesn't mean i should change it or that i should take into consideration that you don't like it

why make another thread? first of all i want this post to be visible to more ppl in case they want to know about this too... second, i want more ppl involved in this topic... and besides... does it kill u? no? good... don't complain -.-

this is what i meant about constructive posts -.-"

We created the build advice thread for the sheer purpose of preventing such threads from popping up. Having too many threads discussing minor, personal issues ends up being a nuisance when a more serious problem pops up. Spam also prevents players from finding relevant threads when necessary, since there are too many threads.

I understand you want to be visible, but a large portion of the archer community is striving to enliminate spam on these topics. For this pupose there are guides, they reflect every aspect of the game one needs to know. You can visit my directory if you are researching a specific topic and would like to find out more about it.

It is your full-fledged right to post here, so long as it does not break forum rules. I am merely appealing to you with the hopes that you understand my request. There are several archers, including myself who will happily reply to any post made on the build advisor thread. Although you want more recognition, I ask that you consider this request in the future. Since this thread has already been posted, I suppose there's no other choice but to leave it. However, most issues can be resolved by looking thru the guides, or posting on any of the help threads, which were created for this very purpose.

Additionally, I would like to caution you on a certain matter. Here at the OS forums we hold a certain standard of behavior. If you dislike a post made by another, it is totally unnecessary to go on the offensive, and begin to flame him. This sort of behavior is unacceptable, if you fail to comply with these basic demands, you will be reported and subsequently punished. I especially will denounce any such attempt to flame a fellow player. It is prudent that all discussion be carried out in a respectable, calmed fashion. The failure to comply with these rules shows that you cannot debate a matter in a mature, understanding way, and will eventually lead to penalization.


Peace:cool:

[demixraziel]

Pure SPR
Well, this has been debated to be a very good build for PVP. It also gives you a lot of MDef against mages and since they tend to have lower defs you could be a good mage slayer. But from what I heard, archers are a little on the weak side in high level PVP.



Ok So How Does STR Add MDef? o0

and well ur post did clear up on the doubt as in why no one has mentioned using END instead of Dex... And No I Wont be +9 stuff since i aint planning on using CS...

EDIT: NEVERMIND! XD thot it said STR not SPR... x_x... in anycase full spr would be a mage killer... but well i woulndt like to just be able to kill mages... i know warriors wont be a possibility... but i know that the largest part of the population is formed by warriors... i think ill be going 20spr/50dex/rest str... if by some miracle im not convinced to try a full spr build... i come from SHAIYA... played with a full LUC archer... 95% chance for crit XD but when i saw someone post that at lvl 70 they had 30% crit... comparing to other games that seemed low to me... if compared to shaiya wich i cant do, its WAY low... but o well... game is almost finished downloading... ill see what i can do in the mean time...

btw the 1 pt per lvl was like a low kick for me XD

Tnx A Lot For the post onkrack =]


and fireyair ... in no way i flamed anyone... and as i previously stated if u read my post i said that im trying to avoid flames... since the post u made didn't in any way seem to refer to my post i assumed you didnt read it... and all i did is ask if did it kill u cuz i typed like that? if u took it like a flame... i duno what reason u had to take it like that... not everyone expresses themselves the same way... so diff words tend to cause diff impressions on ppl like in this case... the impression of you not readin and the impression of me "flaming"

AND again... i havent found a thread in here talking about what i asked... if u would have made a post like onkrack's post this wouldnt have happened/.... maturity has nothing to do when u come to understand what ppl are asking for help at first... and besides... what is a discussion forum if a thread to disscuss MY topic cant be discussed specially since i said that i read a guide and read a crit topic wich was my top priority on finding... also... i havet done anything wrong so threats arent needed here...

i asked for help... not a lecture...