Helga Raids : Borrowed Idea

[Synthetic_Sheep]

A couple days ago I was browsing through other server's forums and came across Teva's Helga Raid Schedule (http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180081).
I had thought it might be a great idea to try here in Apoline since it sounds to be working and Helga respawns every day. I figured their rules sounded pretty good (and we could build on and change ideas); we get a list of guilds willing to follow through with applicable "rules" of the Guild Raid Schedule, if a guild wants to try and raid Helga alone.

It would not promise any guild total privacy to a Helga raid, but it makes it a lot more possible. Whenever you kill any monster or boss in game you are not promised complete privacy to that room or the kills. But seeing as Helga Tomb is not like a KQ, during the scheduled Guild Raid days, the guilds agreeing with and in favor of this idea could treat Helga like any other boss on any other open map: (you wouldn't stalk a pty in a level restricted dungeon and KS their boss kills).

A couple ideas in mind were creating a time limit from when the helga raiders first attempt to kill Helga before it becomes a server-wide attempt again before the day is over and the slaying of Helga is needlessly failed that day.
Unscheduled days should be and could be handled as just that - free days where everyone who wants to go shows up as usual.

I figure most of the guild leaders of the major guilds who attend these raids often are active on the forums and could forward their opinions, concerns and ideas on this.
This would provide and benefit each guild an opportunity to experience a raid with their guild mates alone, whether they win or fail in the end. Speaking for myself, I value the teamwork and effort that is used within your guild, such as in wars, it offers a sort of bonding experience. :o

Each guild that is interested in trying to Guild Raid Helga's Tomb could confirm they meet minimum requirements to a possible successful guild raid, so that we are not wasting everyone's time. Also, perhaps a limit on how often any single guild attempts to raid HT would prevent any one guild from attempting to make most of the kills belong to them alone. Guild Raid's could be used as an occassional thing as opposed to a daily thing, to avoid maybe some frustration and stress to keep up with constant Guild Raids. We could require a certain amount of open/server raids per week, even if it means allowing only 1 or 2 Guild Raid's a week, to spread out the requested Guild Raids.

I would love my guild to make this attempt and have tried to make it possible, but now I see and understand the idea should have been expanded to apply to all of Apoline, providing every guild the same chance.

I thought it was worth offering the idea, whether or not our server is capable of structuring something like this. :)

[UzumakiW]

I like this idea, and I'm sure plenty of other people will like this idea, but I'm guessing you might need good luck trying to get some other people to go through with this =/.

[Aeriex]

Its been brought up before for his server.
There needs to be some manner of trust for it to succeed, and I have a hard time trusting a few on this server, to say the least.

But I speak for myself, not my guild.

[ForgottenMiss27]

mmm. naaah.

[Synthetic_Sheep]

I have the same feeling as you Aeyr, like probably a lot of others. Maybe most especially when it comes to something like a Helga Guild Raid that someone could spoil just because they don't like your guild, or don't care, or are pure greedy for the drops which is beyond childish but not impossible..
Still, I really have faith in the guilds of Apoline, and the leaders within each guild, that each could gain a collective willingness to sincerely attempt. Everything rings on communication and understanding within guilds, between guilds, and most focusedly on here.
A collective decision of a guild will not ever reflect every single member's decision, opinion or actions in response. So an understanding of, if the trust was broken by one or two members of so-and-so guild, it wasn't the fault of that guild and we deal with it and move on.
If a raid so happens to be ruined though, it can be acted upon as a failure to slay Helga and open to the server.
It's a little depressing for these underlying senses of mistrust to exist though.
I don't know what would be best in these circumstances, perhaps the Guild Raids spread far apart because obviously everyone enjoys summoning Helga and looting the moment he is respawned.

[ForgottenMiss27]

If you want helga, take it. its not a matter if your guild can just take helga. You have to take him from our tight grasp. There is only 1 helga, and if you want it so bad, you have to fight for it. all who are trying for the drops follow that rule, so get on board.

[Transcendence]

Even though I don't play anymore, I'm still keeping up to date on the going's-on in Fiesta. As you're going through killing Helga, more drama has been caused.

My point would be that Helga is not only hard, but it is also it is because it is so competitive that it keeps people coming back. Being better than someone is the driving factor that makes people buy sparkcash, and level. It's the reason you play MMO's. The skill that you attain leveling up. The tips that make you a great tank, or exceptional axe fighter are the same things that allow you to get drops.

Splitting the raid nights between Valkjestic and Rena would be stupid because they're already inadvertently doing it to themselves. Both guilds have gone weeks without getting drops because of the other. Do they stop? NO! They keep on going.

If you take away the challenges that keep people doing Helga, 1) it would seize the fun out of it, and 2) there would stop being drama. What's your precious Fiesta without any drama? WoW? Lol, please.

Helga isn't the greased up wheel you want it to be. It's a gunked up, messy wheel that has been forgotten under a pile of sludge that an interstate has been built over. Come on people, you're taking away the very foundation of the end-game content you love so dear.

And regardless, the only logical way to do Helga would be to make it an instance where ANY guild can go do it, and have it have a chance to drop a hellgait weapon with the same respawn time. But that's logical, right? When has Outspark ever been logical? Pfft, never.

Resignedly,
Waltimore

[donkey69]

i agree with splinter.....yaki ftw...

[Aeriex]

I already brought up the instance idea Walt, got flamed to Hell for it >.o
Your Def and junk is wrong as well, btw ;D

But I agree. (Even though no one said anything about Valk or Rena >.o) There is no fundamental trust in Apo. People invade guilds, spy, stalk photobuckets, spam war, conduct "experiments" on other people's vent servers, etc. etc. All over a game. People take it too seriously, myself included sometimes; I feel like a broken record because this very point has been brought up countless times by countless people, but people are too thick skulled to get that point and they only listen when they feel like it-- usually never.

There is too much competition and too much drama for something like this to work. I don't know about Teva, because I don't have many friends that play there, but the same thing that happens in Apo happens in Bijou and Epith. Hell, look at the Thread started about the RyeRyes (Its actually something like Ryekaran or something but I don't know how to spell it you silly people and your funny guild names. <3) Guild over in bijou just because someone got irritated They ended up getting trained, he died but the incident happened and resulted in a shout drama war and eventually a war war. Same thing in Epith. Good friends of mine were driven off that server because of Helga drama.

What we have going now is irritating sometimes, but it works. Its a simple fact of if you want the drops you better damn well be there and be prepared.

[ChromeKitten]

Negativity, selfishness and hate keeps the world spinning and spinning and spinning and...

Go Dadah and Yaki! <3333333

[DF001]

It'd be fun if we all got along xD

[Synthetic_Sheep]

lol ya it would. nvm I honestly had no idea everyone were such enemies in Apo, guess it was a bad idea x.x
I wish I could've heard from anyone other than the same guild and my own though.

[defcom]

[Warning this is a pretty long post, but I hope everyone will take the time to read it and think over some things. I'd love to hear everyone's opinion on the matter]

Hey Synthetic_Sheep / xDark. I was browsing the forums as well and then your post came up. I'd just like to say that I've also seen the other server post regarding the organization of Helga Raids between guilds.

I don't think its a bad idea, but the idea poses some serious issues. (Don't get me wrong, I would love to find a way to organize things so everyone has a fun time but...)

Some Issues to Consider:

1) If we do try to organize guilds in a Sign-Up fashion, there would be some problems organizing the raids cuz of its increasing popularity---the Sign-Up list is gonna end up being longer and longer, plus the designated time for each individual guild may be hard to organized based on time and spacing.

2) If we start making requirements to who is eligible to sign up for it, thats almost an infringement upon an individuals freedoms. We'd be going beyond the scope of being players and actually trying to govern or set up implicit (not explicit) regulations [xD see Anime .hack//SIGN for a good reference of this point..lol <3 that old show lol]

3) Since the general power of guilds is unevenly distributed w/i the Fiesta community, there is already a monopoly/oligarchy over the Helga Raids. Starting a form of organization that limits the power of the elites may cause conflict both amongst themselves and the less powerful.

4) [Is related to #3] This distribution of items are heavily concentrated to few guilds and streams down to even fewer players. By starting a sign-up list now, the same few powerful guilds would benefit most from the plan, as they are already well establish farmers. This implicates a huge threat to the future of the community if Hellgate weapons are not distributed evenly. ( For example, BK weapons were the fad b4 Hellgate was released, so the distribution of BK items have evened the playing fields. For Hellgate weapons, they have not been able to thoroughly circulate the Fiesta economy.)

The issues stated above are just some of the things that came off the top of my head. I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from making a plan to organize the raids, I'm just setting the agenda for forum goers to voice their concerns/opinions. If anyone has a thought out plan to Really and Effectively organize these raids, please share your thoughts. Until then peace.......<3 Ria

[ajayyyy]

I'll solo this helga creature you people speak of ! D<


No just kidding. It's just a drop, you people do realize when cap raises they'll come out with new bosses for you guys to kill each other over. Please, realize it's just a game.


Plus, I already have something in mind 8D. When cap raises to 105, the new boss monster will be Helgas long lost cousin Olga. Instead of Hellgates, there will be Olgates with epic l33t stats like +232592592 int / +23526293629 end on a level 110 staff!

Can't people just see OS makes these things so you could spam money on sc =.="

[Synthetic_Sheep]

lol ajayyy
Ya it is just drops, but the point I was thinking wasn't to make the drops distribute more, it was just to give guilds a chance to Solo Guild Raid it.

I'd be interested to see which guilds could and would defeat Helga alone before the cap raise like Rena, props to them still, especially for have being the first.

I just wanted to see if Apoline would go for it, the raids are fun as they are, and it's no big deal if Apo folks want to do it or not. But Teva seemed to make it into events and it worked lol.

And defcom makes a lot of sense, although I thought of ways to try and work through those probs, in a short response, the idea wasn't to govern who goes to HT or not. As I hear the comments you guys make it clear I should just go back to eating my cereal and playing Tetris till cap raises ;D

[UzumakiW]

It'd be fun if we all got along xD

Imagine that. If that ever happened, the world would be at its end (the real world too, not just the Fiesta world)


I'll solo this helga creature you people speak of ! D<

Already been done before by Knivy =p

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129048

And anyway, through this year I've been playing Fiesta, I've realized that my cynicism from the real world has dragged into the Fiesta world and for very good reasons. I honestly don't trust many people in this game, I don't rely on many people in this game, and I don't take many people in this game seriously. I came into this game, and for a while, tried to be a nice person, as opposed to how I was on some other message boards/forums, because I knew I was capable of being nice and understanding, but throughout this time I've been playing, all of that has been changing. I try to be nice to most people, but as I've said, I find it hard to trust people in this game because some people go around, acting like they're bigger and better than you because they stand behind some pixelated character, or there are people who try to cause drama or make other peoples' gaming annoying.

Either way, I can't really see how a server would come together to make some kind of agreement like this or at least somewhat compromise on some kind of system, but that would be way too much for some people. Would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

Meh, oh well, can't say it bothers me too much, considering I'm still here =p.

[Synthetic_Sheep]

Imagine that. If that ever happened, the world would be at its end (the real world too, not just the Fiesta world)



Already been done before by Knivy =p

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129048

And anyway, through this year I've been playing Fiesta, I've realized that my cynicism from the real world has dragged into the Fiesta world and for very good reasons. I honestly don't trust many people in this game, I don't rely on many people in this game, and I don't take many people in this game seriously. I came into this game, and for a while, tried to be a nice person, as opposed to how I was on some other message boards/forums, because I knew I was capable of being nice and understanding, but throughout this time I've been playing, all of that has been changing. I try to be nice to most people, but as I've said, I find it hard to trust people in this game because some people go around, acting like they're bigger and better than you because they stand behind some pixelated character, or there are people who try to cause drama or make other peoples' gaming annoying.

Either way, I can't really see how a server would come together to make some kind of agreement like this or at least somewhat compromise on some kind of system, but that would be way too much for some people. Would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

Meh, oh well, can't say it bothers me too much, considering I'm still here =p.

mhm I've seen people who cause war because they assume someone is trying to prove they are better than them or their guild, or they're trying to cause war drama to put them in a bad light to the server. The strive to constantly be #1 and make everyone else lesser really kills the joy of the game for a lot of people because the majority come here to make friends and have fun, not get owned by and hate one super powerful person. The ultimate goal is not just to be better, although guilds kinda force us in that direction. It's basically a bad case of bullying and denying it, acting like people are "taking the game too seriously" even though they know the outcome of their actions. I also have heard people say they are warring simply to "annoy" other players. I laughed when I read what you said cuz it's completely true. What's worse is these folks are not newbs to the game, they're all caps.
Anyway idk if I got off topic or not, but I digress.

After everything I experienced in-game today, I have to agree, sadly there's prolly no way. Still, being a part of the raid is fun, but it's boring cuz it's the same result every time. If someone could solo helga I'd like to see it. If any other guilds could 'solo' helga, I'd still like to see it.

[ajayyyy]

Already been done before by Knivy =p

http://www.outspark.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129048




DAMN! D< Knivy I keel j00, but no, really LOL. Hellgates will be like the blues, in everyones shop and worth less then 10g in about 3 months. So all of you wanting hellgates.. wait it out. LMAO.

[UzumakiW]

mhm I've seen people who cause war because they assume someone is trying to prove they are better than them or their guild, or they're trying to cause war drama to put them in a bad light to the server. The strive to constantly be #1 and make everyone else lesser really kills the joy of the game for a lot of people because the majority come here to make friends and have fun, not get owned by and hate one super powerful person. The ultimate goal is not just to be better, although guilds kinda force us in that direction. It's basically a bad case of bullying and denying it, acting like people are "taking the game too seriously" even though they know the outcome of their actions. I also have heard people say they are warring simply to "annoy" other players. I laughed when I read what you said cuz it's completely true. What's worse is these folks are not newbs to the game, they're all caps.
Anyway idk if I got off topic or not, but I digress.

After everything I experienced in-game today, I have to agree, sadly there's prolly no way. Still, being a part of the raid is fun, but it's boring cuz it's the same result every time. If someone could solo helga I'd like to see it. If any other guilds could 'solo' helga, I'd still like to see it.

Yup, and people always ask how someone like me, who enjoys to PvP, is in a non-warring guild. Causes too much drama junk that I'd rather stay out of.

[DF001]

I'll solo this helga creature you people speak of ! D<


No just kidding. It's just a drop, you people do realize when cap raises they'll come out with new bosses for you guys to kill each other over. Please, realize it's just a game.


Plus, I already have something in mind 8D. When cap raises to 105, the new boss monster will be Helgas long lost cousin Olga. Instead of Hellgates, there will be Olgates with epic l33t stats like +232592592 int / +23526293629 end on a level 110 staff!

Can't people just see OS makes these things so you could spam money on sc =.="

Wth, no way, you must be kidding me, I wasted so many money on pixelzzz D=

[plutos_kiss]

DAMN! D< Knivy I keel j00, but no, really LOL. Hellgates will be like the blues, in everyones shop and worth less then 10g in about 3 months. So all of you wanting hellgates.. wait it out. LMAO.

You'd think that would happen to +9 gear too, but the price just seems to go up and up and up. One day I see a +9 bow for 1g, the next day I see the same bow up to 3g.

On topic, I've seen a system like this before on Flyff. Actually, it was indeed called Guild Raid. Guilds would have to pay a fee of something around 10,000,000 penya (their form of in-game money) in order to participate. It would take place on Saturday and each guild would take turns being warped into an instance dungeon of sorts where they had to try to take down waves of monsters and see how far they could get. The guild that got the farthest would get a prize of some sort. What I'm saying is, charge guilds a hefty fee, like 10g or something, and open a Helga instance that only they could participate in. This could also potentially lower the price of Helgates due to guilds wanting to make money faster by selling them, but that's just an added bonus.

[ajayyyy]

Gear prices are what players make of it. :) Everyone's just greedy.

[UzumakiW]

^Pretty much hits the nail on the head.

[autarchaurzel]

didn't just hit the nail on the head, drove it right through to the other side
its all just a load of fantasy, we dont have the organisation, the trust, the energy (we're lazy :P) or even just the faith that this would work, nice idea though

[defcom]

:( I'm sorta sad in a way cuz our server Apoline is being said in such a negative light. But everyone's comments has valid points in it. I mean I trust fellow members in the Apoline community as players, but there is always that lingering thought of "Everyone is looking out for themselves and no one else". Where's the neighborhood volunteer committee eh? ~.^

[Synthetic_Sheep]

lol used to be that everyone did have a certain mistrust, but it was to a healthy degree and in the end everyone could still be seen as part of a community and still work together on something.
Now it sounds like utter paranoia and greed.

edit: I think that came off maybe a bit cold toward Apoline.
I love Apoline, loyal to the server till idk when. Nothing is perfect.

[ajayyyy]

:( I'm sorta sad in a way cuz our server Apoline is being said in such a negative light. But everyone's comments has valid points in it. I mean I trust fellow members in the Apoline community as players, but there is always that lingering thought of "Everyone is looking out for themselves and no one else". Where's the neighborhood volunteer committee eh? ~.^

It's not in Apoloine. >.o

[Hipposaur]

The last raid I went to, (yesterday, was it..?) the only two guild names above peoples heads I saw were Rena and Valkj. Although the two guilds aren't exactly the best of friends, I like the idea of people from two different guilds working together towards a common goal. It really is the only place major cooperation happens in the higher levels, because we all know Gordon master gives out, like 0.1% and hardly no one does it. Back to my point, I'm not really enthusiastic about this idea just because it will ruin the idea of working together as one big apolinean family. (Wow, that sounded cheesy.)

[autarchaurzel]

are they working together? i thought they were trying to beat each other to the drops 0.o

[Hipposaur]

Honestly, I don't even know. I'm usually quite out of it/completely lost, but I guess what I was trying to say is...uhh, I don't even know anymore! D: Oh yeah, well everyone was trying to kill helga, that's what I mean..o:

[Hakai_Miko]

I come from Teva, just sneaking tonight around another servers sections and came up with this one x3!~

I could tell the Helga Sharing Loop started in Teva cause we have around 10 Main guilds, that could beat down helga with 2 parties, or even less (1 party) ; It comes to settle in the idea of this 10 Main guilds; are the stronger and also the guilds with better reputation, since Guild Masters agree on the respwn cycle and want to keep the 'day/slot' they must not break any rules stated in the initial agreement or there will be applied the punishment of being taken away from the List.

It seemed like from this 10 guilds only 6~7 had the team work required to kill Helga in Two hours (which is the time each guild gets after Helga Respawns)

The idea had a positive impact to Teva players in general cause we all realize, as MORE Hellgait Weapons are got for the Server, their market price will go down and it may help to fight the recently inflation our server is experiencing; since guilds can hunt down Helga in the effective time of 120 mins and get 2 weapons added to tevas general gotten List of Hellgaits it benefits whole server.

Only tips I would give to consider are:

~First test what guilds are the main and can organize a correct team work.

~Second; it has to be clear that Thursday guilds may have the inconvienience of server maint. so, to give them a fair amount of time to kill helga; all guilds schedules since Monday Must be rushed to get their helga rspawn in a effective time of 2h :3

*winks*
I hope you guys have fun chasing helga down.
it's fun and this plan raises drama average down to a 50%

Best Regards.
~ngel

[kij024]

Ehhhhhhwwwwww.

[ajayyyy]

are they working together? I thought they were trying to beat each other to the drops 0.o

rofl


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[UzumakiW]

The last raid I went to, (yesterday, was it..?) the only two guild names above peoples heads I saw were Rena and Valkj. Although the two guilds aren't exactly the best of friends, I like the idea of people from two different guilds working together towards a common goal. It really is the only place major cooperation happens in the higher levels, because we all know Gordon master gives out, like 0.1% and hardly no one does it. Back to my point, I'm not really enthusiastic about this idea just because it will ruin the idea of working together as one big apolinean family. (Wow, that sounded cheesy.)

Rena and Valkjestic working together to kill Helga is not that same as 'working together as one big Apolinean family.' Apoline is a lot bigger than just Rena and Valk.

Just thought I'd point that out. ;)

[pabloking]

I come from Teva, just sneaking tonight around another servers sections and came up with this one x3!~

I could tell the Helga Sharing Loop started in Teva cause we have around 10 Main guilds, that could beat down helga with 2 parties, or even less (1 party) ; It comes to settle in the idea of this 10 Main guilds; are the stronger and also the guilds with better reputation, since Guild Masters agree on the respwn cycle and want to keep the 'day/slot' they must not break any rules stated in the initial agreement or there will be applied the punishment of being taken away from the List.

It seemed like from this 10 guilds only 6~7 had the team work required to kill Helga in Two hours (which is the time each guild gets after Helga Respawns)

The idea had a positive impact to Teva players in general cause we all realize, as MORE Hellgait Weapons are got for the Server, their market price will go down and it may help to fight the recently inflation our server is experiencing; since guilds can hunt down Helga in the effective time of 120 mins and get 2 weapons added to tevas general gotten List of Hellgaits it benefits whole server.

Only tips I would give to consider are:

~First test what guilds are the main and can organize a correct team work.

~Second; it has to be clear that Thursday guilds may have the inconvienience of server maint. so, to give them a fair amount of time to kill helga; all guilds schedules since Monday Must be rushed to get their helga rspawn in a effective time of 2h :3

*winks*
I hope you guys have fun chasing helga down.
it's fun and this plan raises drama average down to a 50%

Best Regards.
~ngel

It sounds so great.... Sadly, it will not happen. Helga farmers in our server are just too greedy. They can have 10+ hellgaits and its still not enough for them. They do not want to share, they want to 'monopolize' the hellgaits and get richer than they already are, selling them. Apoline is no longer a family, its just a bunch of greedy people wanting to be better than the rest.

[autarchaurzel]

Rena and Valkjestic working together to kill Helga is not that same as 'working together as one big Apolinean family.' Apoline is a lot bigger than just Rena and Valk.

Just thought I'd point that out. ;)

though those 2 guilds would have us believe different >.>

[ajayyyy]

I'm friendly :(

[kij024]

I'm friendlier. :)

[SweaterMittens]

Rena and Valkjestic working together to kill Helga is not that same as 'working together as one big Apolinean family.' Apoline is a lot bigger than just Rena and Valk.

Just thought I'd point that out. ;)

Exactly ;3 so why don't other guilds come to HT and kill helga with Valk and Rena? ;3

[UzumakiW]

Exactly ;3 so why don't other guilds come to HT and kill helga with Valk and Rena? ;3

I've said that before, but then people got all pishy and said junk like 'No sharing! D<. First come, first serve! D<'

;)

[renzo23]

I'm friendly :(

Lies~


I'm friendlier. :)

Creepy~


I've said that before, but then people got all pishy and said junk like 'No sharing! D<. First come, first serve! D<'

;)

So true! :eek:

[Coyote_Outlaw]

I already brought up the instance idea Walt, got flamed to Hell for it >.o
Your Def and junk is wrong as well, btw ;D

But I agree. (Even though no one said anything about Valk or Rena >.o) There is no fundamental trust in Apo. People invade guilds, spy, stalk photobuckets, spam war, conduct "experiments" on other people's vent servers, etc. etc. All over a game. People take it too seriously, myself included sometimes; I feel like a broken record because this very point has been brought up countless times by countless people, but people are too thick skulled to get that point and they only listen when they feel like it-- usually never.

There is too much competition and too much drama for something like this to work. I don't know about Teva, because I don't have many friends that play there, but the same thing that happens in Apo happens in Bijou and Epith. Hell, look at the Thread started about the RyeRyes (Its actually something like Ryekaran or something but I don't know how to spell it you silly people and your funny guild names. <3) Guild over in bijou just because someone got irritated They ended up getting trained, he died but the incident happened and resulted in a shout drama war and eventually a war war. Same thing in Epith. Good friends of mine were driven off that server because of Helga drama.

What we have going now is irritating sometimes, but it works. Its a simple fact of if you want the drops you better damn well be there and be prepared.

You Tell Em Aeyr :{) - crazi

[SweaterMittens]

I've said that before, but then people got all pishy and said junk like 'No sharing! D<. First come, first serve! D<'

;)

It is first come first serve. If they want helga as bad as those two guilds do, then they should try to make it.

[UzumakiW]

Exactly ;3 so why don't other guilds come to HT and kill helga with Valk and Rena? ;3


It is first come first serve. If they want helga as bad as those two guilds do, then they should try to make it.

I'm a bit confused with these two statements, but I'll just leave it at that.

[renzo23]

I, too am confused about those two statements. They basically contradict each other in the idea that Helga can't be shared.

[ChromeKitten]

-dances across the thread-

[Hipposaur]

The earlier replys to my post just prove what I said earlier~I'm always completely out of it..D:
Edit: I just realized how off topic that was, so sorrys. ;-;

[saru_watari]

LoL i smell WoW ****** in this thread. Gtfo Walti, no one cares about your long block of text.

And, technically, Helga is just like any other monster in the game, so that means who ever hits it first can call the other for kill stealing.

/*never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down*

[Hipposaur]

Be nice evan, waltis just trying to help..I think x3

[saru_watari]

"But Fes?" D: "I SAID GOOD DAY!!?" D:<

/offtopicness. o.o

[Synthetic_Sheep]

I come from Teva, just sneaking tonight around another servers sections and came up with this one x3!~

I could tell the Helga Sharing Loop started in Teva cause we have around 10 Main guilds, that could beat down helga with 2 parties, or even less (1 party) ; It comes to settle in the idea of this 10 Main guilds; are the stronger and also the guilds with better reputation, since Guild Masters agree on the respwn cycle and want to keep the 'day/slot' they must not break any rules stated in the initial agreement or there will be applied the punishment of being taken away from the List.

It seemed like from this 10 guilds only 6~7 had the team work required to kill Helga in Two hours (which is the time each guild gets after Helga Respawns)

The idea had a positive impact to Teva players in general cause we all realize, as MORE Hellgait Weapons are got for the Server, their market price will go down and it may help to fight the recently inflation our server is experiencing; since guilds can hunt down Helga in the effective time of 120 mins and get 2 weapons added to tevas general gotten List of Hellgaits it benefits whole server.

Only tips I would give to consider are:

~First test what guilds are the main and can organize a correct team work.

~Second; it has to be clear that Thursday guilds may have the inconvienience of server maint. so, to give them a fair amount of time to kill helga; all guilds schedules since Monday Must be rushed to get their helga rspawn in a effective time of 2h :3

*winks*
I hope you guys have fun chasing helga down.
it's fun and this plan raises drama average down to a 50%

Best Regards.
~ngel

You got TEN main guilds? Holy cra p, I think we used to back when my cleric was L4x. We have like what 2? 3? 4? No wait WAIZ too many there.
The ten main guilds obviously make it more possible for Teva.
They will at least have a chance at epic wars in cap raise (what a thing to look forward to, I'm actually jealous), that dont involve 1-hitting a completely Hellgait-less guild. Then I can see the nubs who think they can show off how cool they are by soloing a hellgait-less guild with a hellgait. It's like 5-6 people fighting someone who is stalked with 100sc pots, or a solo/duo guild who is recieving aoe heals from 4+ divine paladins outside their guild *cough cough* lol (lol which some of you have experienced maybe, I know I have and it's quite funny, especially when people actually think they're strong for it).


It sounds so great.... Sadly, it will not happen. Helga farmers in our server are just too greedy. They can have 10+ hellgaits and its still not enough for them. They do not want to share, they want to 'monopolize' the hellgaits and get richer than they already are, selling them. Apoline is no longer a family, its just a bunch of greedy people wanting to be better than the rest.
sharing is caring.

;D

I don't think all are greedy and will never want to share. I won't mention names or anything, but if you've spoken to them or heard them talk about Helga and the drops you know the farmers who would love anyone to join or pick up a hellgait even if it isn't them.

though those 2 guilds would have us believe different >.>

Again it isn't just those two guilds keeping it from the server, but noone gives any real attempt to let the whole server know... What happened to the shouts in uruga, br, fos, members of the main farming guilds spreading the word. I asked a member of one of the main farming guilds when the next was, and after being ignored for about 15 min he finally replied with a false time. XD
As I called it before, it's been privatized (lol is that a word?) and turned into a competition.

Exactly ;3 so why don't other guilds come to HT and kill helga with Valk and Rena? ;3
Noone tells them as I stated above.
But I gotta say members of VM have been quite kind in helping me find out when the raids are so I can tell my own guild, who actually like attending more for the purpose of seeing Helga and being a part of something cool, than hoarding everything.

-dances across the thread-

<3

[Aeriex]

are they working together? i thought they were trying to beat each other to the drops 0.o

MM. We farm him competitively I suppose. Not quiet friendly but not quite hating each other so much we can't stand to see one another there. Granted its different for everyone. I don't waste perfectly good hate on a game, as I told a few on vent last night. Because it is a game. Pixels don't care how much you hate then so why waste? @.@ i mean come on, hate School, hate you parents or annoying little siblings, but a game is pointless. So I really don't care who is at Helga when he/she/it re spawns. I go because its fun and I go because I want to get better at playing, and Helga is a pretty good test sometimes. I don't waste charms, I only have an extender because a lovely guildy gifted me one e_e So its not a matter of having to waste so much SC in order to get a hellgait. I have one. I've charmed up for three raids, ever. I didn't even charm when Rena held our first raid back in January.
There HAVE been other guilds, and there ARE other guild there on a daily basis. Its not we're monopolizing him, we just have the means to get the drops. Its as simple as that. Be there and be ready and you have a chance to get a drop.

[Synthetic_Sheep]

LoL i smell WoW ****** in this thread. Gtfo Walti, no one cares about your long block of text.

And, technically, Helga is just like any other monster in the game, so that means who ever hits it first can call the other for kill stealing.

/*never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down*

lol omg you rock :D
Especially cuz it's true.

[saru_watari]

lol omg you rock :D
Especially cuz it's true.

lol I know i rock, no need to say it 8D

And besides, it's true because i said so, every word i say is a manifest of my personal doctrine :3.

[Hipposaur]

MM. We farm him competitively I suppose. Not quiet friendly but not quite hating each other so much we can't stand to see one another there. Granted its different for everyone. I don't waste perfectly good hate on a game, as I told a few on vent last night. Because it is a game. Pixels don't care how much you hate then so why waste? @.@ i mean come on, hate School, hate you parents or annoying little siblings, but a game is pointless. So I really don't care who is at Helga when he/she/it re spawns. I go because its fun and I go because I want to get better at playing, and Helga is a pretty good test sometimes. I don't waste charms, I only have an extender because a lovely guildy gifted me one e_e So its not a matter of having to waste so much SC in order to get a hellgait. I have one. I've charmed up for three raids, ever. I didn't even charm when Rena held our first raid back in January.
There HAVE been other guilds, and there ARE other guild there on a daily basis. Its not we're monopolizing him, we just have the means to get the drops. Its as simple as that. Be there and be ready and you have a chance to get a drop.
Sounds like the two guilds are frienemies..(:
I guess I should have been more clear on what I said earlier, the raid I mentioned was just one raid, a late night one as well. It wasn't really a generalization of the raids altogether, so yes, I am aware that many many guilds participate.
(I'm tired, so sorry if this makes no sense, it's no excuse, but hey, it's an explanation.

[Hipposaur]

lol I know i rock, no need to say it 8D

And besides, it's true because i said so, every word i say is a manifest of my personal doctrine :3.
The definition of saru in the stelladictionary is one word-win.

[saru_watari]

Sounds like the two guilds are frienemies..(:
I guess I should have been more clear on what I said earlier, the raid I mentioned was just one raid, a late night one as well. It wasn't really a generalization of the raids altogether, so yes, I am aware that many many guilds participate.
(I'm tired, so sorry if this makes no sense, it's no excuse, but hey, it's an explanation.

D: You dun like my hair? ='[

*Stares at OS page top comment* T_______T

[Synthetic_Sheep]

lol I know i rock, no need to say it 8D

And besides, it's true because i said so, every word i say is a manifest of my personal doctrine :3.

you mean the divine doctrine. ;)


Sounds like the two guilds are frienemies..(:
I guess I should have been more clear on what I said earlier, the raid I mentioned was just one raid, a late night one as well. It wasn't really a generalization of the raids altogether, so yes, I am aware that many many guilds participate.
(I'm tired, so sorry if this makes no sense, it's no excuse, but hey, it's an explanation.
LOL nice word choice ^^ I'm sure none of what I say makes sense either, I'm very sleepy too and also huuungry D;

[UzumakiW]

I always love when people say Helga is like any other monster.

Whether I believe the statement is true or not is a different story

I'm just going to love when they raise the cap and when I finally get to the cap (someday I will) I will camp outside of Helga's Tomb for my opportunity to solo Helga and tell everyone else to back off or I'll report them for KSing 8D.

[Synthetic_Sheep]

I always love when people say Helga is like any other monster.

Whether I believe the statement is true or not is a different story

I'm just going to love when they raise the cap and when I finally get to the cap (someday I will) I will camp outside of Helga's Tomb for my opportunity to solo Helga and tell everyone else to back off or I'll report them for KSing 8D.

Helga is the only free, non-KQ boss that farmers say you can't claim with the first aggro.:rolleyes:

Offtopic:
I wish players would decide at trees if first aggro or first hit is what made it yours XD

[defcom]

Going back to Hakai_Miko's post....I have to say that Teva has done a good job so far in organizing the Helga Raids. I mean doing something like that and not having apocalypse ensue is a tough feat to accomplish.

Now I'm not exactly sure how well it is going, I only have one perspective on it and its only from what Miko said earlier. I haven't done a lot of looking on Teva's threads nor have I gone into Teva to play.

So if anyone from Teva can chip into these questions or if Hakai_Miko is keeping up with our thread here, can you answer these questions that I've ordered down here:

1) By circulating the hellgate weapons wouldn't the weapons be horded by the few? (I mean, wouldn't the person who picks up these weapons try to keep one of each for their main/alts. If so, this means that its gonna take awhile for items to circulate. If not, the sales of these hellgate are still limited to the few rich and powerful, until finally all the rich and powerful have what they want, and decide to sell to the lower ends of society)

2) The raid sign-ups may be started by the 10 guilds but what will happen as the list lengthens? Wouldn't this be difficult to organize such raids as the majority of guilds in your server begin to reach their upper lvls?

3) Since these few powerful guilds have already a head start or are established farmers of hellgate, wouldn't the power be heavy sided towards the upper guilds. That means you're giving the powerful even more power. Isn't this a threat to weaker guilds who if warred is gonna be nuked off the map. Just what will happen to us all if these few guilds who have hellgates decide to war? We're all doomed 0.0;