RE: "official" Helga's Tomb Thread

[pepsi-pie]

A schedule for a raid? You've got to be kidding me. That's like putting a schedule for who get's to take over TR for an hour. I say it's a free game, and people should be able to grind/raid where they want, with who they want WHEN they want. A raid on every other game is just like a Kingdom Quest. Every party for themselves. I been around for a while, I don't think it says anything in the ToS about who get's Helga. That's like assigning who gets the drops. People are going to go in there anyway, either way. It's not against any "official" rules so technically it's not bannable and to be totally honest really very unfair to those outside of the "assigned" guild or "assigned" people to go in there.

"Please remember that selecting assistance from this thread is entirely up to the guild raiding that day, if you are not asked to assist in a raid and somehow interfere with their ability to kill helga you will be removed from the list."

:confused:Who are you to choose who gets to go and who doesn't. I can agree it's nice to have one group of people go at the time, but that's just not how it's going to work out. I'm sorry, but if this was meant to have 1 small assigned group to go in there at a time, then they would have made it like Dragon's Tomb where only 1 party can go in at a time. Just thought I'd lay this out cause it's really bothering me. Anyone agree??

Thank you, Pep.:cool:

[Fre_ak]

why not just reply on the thread? O_O and read it all

[pepsi-pie]

I did read it all I used a quote from the actual thread because that's the part I have the most problem with, I made a separate thread to make it easier for me to be able to check it and reply as needed.

[Selkice]

Personal opinions aside im simply following along with the peaceful solution. I think that the people most angry with the way helga is bieng distributed out are the ones driven by greed. And I am not the first to say that there are many people capable of killing helga that are simply ignored or cast aside, but I feel like one of the few people taking proactive steps in doing something about it. You can whine and complain all you want about how unfair this seems, it doesnt phaze anyone attempting to run the thin line between peace and absolute chaos. If Meek and Neon hadnt started the schedule how do you think helga raids would go? Have you stopped to think just for a minute what would happen if everyone were to simply go around and do what they please? There is NOTHING in higher demand than helga or its drops, and the few people that realize that are doing their UTMOST to keep everyone from tearing eachother's heads off trying to claim it. So what if it seems like they are overstepping some common boundaries? Alot of people would agree its better than a mass of GW's and spammed profanity in the towns.

[pepsi-pie]

I've never even done a Helga raid until just tonight, however people who are "cast aside" should just join in anyway, why not, right? No one's name should be written on the map, cause casting away others as well. Either way people lose out. Either way is unfair, but that's how life is. I'm only saying this because someone kept spamming my whisper about how I'm not "allowed" to be in there? So, this was the first I heard about it and I wanted to do Helga for a long time and tonight was my first chance so I went ahead.

[Selkice]

Well then I guess all I can say is that I hope you enjoy random hatred..
after the moonlights/milky raid I hadnt even done anything wrong and yet couldnt go 10 seconds without some sort of hateful whisper.
Im trying to make this as civil and seamless as possible, but there will always be people like you throwing wrenches in the system.

[pepsi-pie]

Well excuse me but you're just as whinny as I am. You're not gonna make the game any better there are always going to "unscheduled" people showing up at Helga. I think it's useless to try to organize it the way you do cause you can't keep in contact with everyone on the server all the time.

[green-day]

Well, i haven't read " Helga Raid Schedule thingy " but , if that Organized Schedule allow Any group " Guild" capable of raiding Helga's Tomb to join and assign in or what ever they do , So you can peacefully Raid w/o punch of nubs KSing Your party ,And at the same time Prevent useless drama . Why NOT !!

OffTopic: write in purple color next plox :P !!!

[pepsi-pie]

Why not; cause the guild doesn't own the map~ Not everyone will get a turn if that's how it works, such as my guild, I'm the only 8x in it. So will I ever get a fair turn? And will I get to choose who I go with? No. I'd much rather choose who I go with and who I party with rather than having you people who think you own and run the game, try to choose for me..

[green-day]

I don't want to sound lame or any thing but ,Helga is like a major Boss in this game Hence only major Guilds and guilds with high level's on it would properly succeed a raid on it.

[pepsi-pie]

Well I could get parties for it easily with people outside of my guild like anything else. Therefore I shouldn't have to be in a major guild, I am master of my own guild and I like it. Just because I'm the only one who is capable doesn't mean I can't have a chance to do it with some friends too...

[green-day]

O.o you just lost the cause of this thread and the reason you started it for :/ i would say " pretty much selfish of you "

[Nipah]

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[Celtic_Princess]

Just to bring in a few points:


If a guild has started killing Helga and you 'jump in' claiming 'every party for themself' you are essentially KSing. Which isn't allowed on any map in Isya.

The list is a voluntary effort by those guilds who have signed it to allow each other to go after Helga without creating conflicts. Please understand that this does not mean that:


-Guilds not on the list cannot participate, they just cannot KS if someone else is already on Helga
-Individuals not in a guild cannot participate. Just ask someone in the guild thats raiding, they'll most likely let you join them.
-Those who are not in an 'official guild' cannot participate. Get a group together and sign up....you'll be given a chance just like everyone else


This list does mean that:


-No single guild dominates the Helga spawns, so everyone has a much better chance of getting a wep.
-The server handles the sharing of a single, in demand mob in a mature and peaceful manner.
-There is organization where there was once chaos.


However, given the tone of this thread, it seems as thought its going to turn to flaming soon. Should this occur it will be shut down. Please phrase your opinions and your responses to others in a civil manner.

Thank you,

Celtic

[artboi]

the law has spoken! xD
Yeah imo the schedule is a great way to keep peace and order.
So far we have done great with it, and have avoided drama for 2 weeks.
The persons doing that schedule in no way feel like they own the map, they are just taking the responsability no one wanted to take, and i respect them for that.
If you have better ideas for the schedule for it to be fair (which i think it alrdy is) by all means let them know.

[King_Obito]

the law has spoken! xD
Yeah imo the schedule is a great way to keep peace and order.
So far we have done great with it, and have avoided drama for 2 weeks.
The persons doing that schedule in no way feel like they own the map, they are just taking the responsability no one wanted to take, and i respect them for that.
If you have better ideas for the schedule for it to be fair (which i think it alrdy is) by all means let them know.

I agree
kthnxbai.

[Hakai_Miko]

the law has spoken! xD
Yeah imo the schedule is a great way to keep peace and order.
So far we have done great with it, and have avoided drama for 2 weeks.
The persons doing that schedule in no way feel like they own the map, they are just taking the responsability no one wanted to take, and i respect them for that.
If you have better ideas for the schedule for it to be fair (which i think it alrdy is) by all means let them know.

I agree.
we as guild cannot feel that we own the map
cause' if you read carefuly the rules
we are condicioned to succes Raid in a limit of 2~3 hours max which is not easy since amount of Kallaps/HellGuardians was raised
but, Hey! it's been an agreement upon all GuildMasters to give other guilds a decent spawn time.
we do feel rushed while performing raid and in the bounderies of a 'server raid'
yeah, we're not kings of tomb. I'm sure we would like to have more time
but ethic comes when everybody tries to be reflexive.

[delfy]

pepsi ur just a big dump.... , the schedual was a big solution to the helga problem and now ur ruining it... closed this thread its just about nothing

[jannij777]

....bad news...i think more mobs in helga tomb now ,
....not all guilds will be able to kill helga

good news.... its more interesting now

Ioann77 warrior lvl89 <--str build 1 capped fighter in teva
Ioann7 mage lvl89 <--int build
Ioann scout lvl85 <--end build
Outsider paladin lvl 81 <---end build

[WinterClown]

Just to bring in a few points:


If a guild has started killing Helga and you 'jump in' claiming 'every party for themself' you are essentially KSing. Which isn't allowed on any map in Isya.

The list is a voluntary effort by those guilds who have signed it to allow each other to go after Helga without creating conflicts. Please understand that this does not mean that:


-Guilds not on the list cannot participate, they just cannot KS if someone else is already on Helga
I thought the main purpose with Helga's tomb was to kill helga. It's hard to participate if you can't do anything.
-Individuals not in a guild cannot participate. Just ask someone in the guild thats raiding, they'll most likely let you join them.
I've asked four times, three different guilds, and all of those times i was let down.
-Those who are not in an 'official guild' cannot participate. Get a group together and sign up....you'll be given a chance just like everyone else


This list does mean that:


-No single guild dominates the Helga spawns, so everyone has a much better chance of getting a wep.
-The server handles the sharing of a single, in demand mob in a mature and peaceful manner.
Sorry, but my opinion is that this is not peaceful. You even had to close down the original thread.
-There is organization where there was once chaos.
I don't know if u get to discuss things with GM's and so on, but if so, could u ask them to clarify all this stuff officially. That would be awesome :)


However, given the tone of this thread, it seems as thought its going to turn to flaming soon. Should this occur it will be shut down. Please phrase your opinions and your responses to others in a civil manner.

Thank you,
Thank you too
Celtic
Winter :D!


the law has spoken! xD <--This is what i was talking about, celtic...
Yeah imo the schedule is a great way to keep peace and order.
So far we have done great with it, and have avoided drama for 2 weeks.
The persons doing that schedule in no way feel like they own the map, they are just taking the responsability no one wanted to take, and i respect them for that.
If you have better ideas for the schedule for it to be fair (which i think it alrdy is) by all means let them know.
lolwut, my message was too short >.>'

[pokemon4955]

Can you possible thinks every bad scenarios that will happen to the Helga Tomb without the "schedule"?Ask yourself that question before think twice making bad decision like this.Meek and neon had put their hard work together and all I have seen so far is complain.Get over it.Go hog Helga Tomb if you like and come back tell us the results of what might the other guilds feels about that.o: Idontknow maybe they war you,or put your guild down to hit list or something bad. :C

[dryuuyuuyy]

A schedule for a raid? You've got to be kidding me. That's like putting a schedule for who get's to take over TR for an hour. I say it's a free game, and people should be able to grind/raid where they want, with who they want WHEN they want. A raid on every other game is just like a Kingdom Quest. Every party for themselves. I been around for a while, I don't think it says anything in the ToS about who get's Helga. That's like assigning who gets the drops. People are going to go in there anyway, either way. It's not against any "official" rules so technically it's not bannable and to be totally honest really very unfair to those outside of the "assigned" guild or "assigned" people to go in there.

"Please remember that selecting assistance from this thread is entirely up to the guild raiding that day, if you are not asked to assist in a raid and somehow interfere with their ability to kill helga you will be removed from the list."

:confused:Who are you to choose who gets to go and who doesn't. I can agree it's nice to have one group of people go at the time, but that's just not how it's going to work out. I'm sorry, but if this was meant to have 1 small assigned group to go in there at a time, then they would have made it like Dragon's Tomb where only 1 party can go in at a time. Just thought I'd lay this out cause it's really bothering me. Anyone agree??

Thank you, Pep.:cool:


Thank God someone besides me feels this way. Maps belong to no one, which is why i said in their threads, whats the point of the thread since maps are open to all. I also dont see why one of my reasons for being banned 7 days was admitting to ksing helga, which i did not, and how is helga ksable anyway?

If attacking another parties monster or guilds monster after they already have it is ksing, what where all the raids b4 this? ksing competitions for who get the last hit and drop from helga?

[Myrielle]

Thank God someone besides me feels this way. Maps belong to no one, which is why i said in their threads, whats the point of the thread since maps are open to all. I also dont see why one of my reasons for being banned 7 days was admitting to ksing helga, which i did not, and how is helga ksable anyway?

lol. u are not the only one.
seriously thats far from it x)

[Asmodejjj]

Thank God someone besides me feels this way. Maps belong to no one, which is why i said in their threads, whats the point of the thread since maps are open to all. I also dont see why one of my reasons for being banned 7 days was admitting to ksing helga, and how is helga ksable anyway?

If attacking another parties monster or guilds monster after they already have it is ksing, what where all the raids b4 this? ksing competitions for who get the last hit and drop from helga?

Maybe because KS'ing is against the TOS? Dirkadirkadirk?


The calendar was made to prevent that from happening from now on.


As far as I can see, those who support this thread are just greedy and can't be satisfied >.>

[Celtic_Princess]

Winter,

I would be more than happy to discuss why that thread was shut down with you via PM.

As for 'how is Helga KSable'. I believe KSing is defined here as attacking or taking last hit on a mob that someone else has already been working on. Therefore if a guild or party is already in there and killing Helga, you probably shouldn't be.

However, I can attempt to get a staff member to give their opinion on the schedule idea when they have time.

If this thread turns into flaming on either side in the meantime it will be shut down so keep it civil folks.

[King_Obito]

Maybe because KS'ing is against the TOS? Dirkadirkadirk?


The calendar was made to prevent that from happening from now on.


As far as I can see, those who support this thread are just greedy and can't be satisfied >.>

Honestly you just made my day <3. :)

[dryuuyuuyy]

Maybe because KS'ing is against the TOS? Dirkadirkadirk?


The calendar was made to prevent that from happening from now on.


As far as I can see, those who support this thread are just greedy and can't be satisfied >.>

Im sorry, no offense intended, but obviously you did not interpret my message as it was suppose to be. first i said i did not admit to anything, secondly if everyone like i said was having a ks party and fighting for helga's drop, isnt everyone subject to ban. read carefully next time b4 you attempt to argue a case ;o

[dryuuyuuyy]

Honestly you just made my day <3. :)

im sooo glad ur day was made by an inacurrate argument :D

[dryuuyuuyy]

Winter,


As for 'how is Helga KSable'. I believe KSing is defined here as attacking or taking last hit on a mob that someone else has already been working on. Therefore if a guild or party is already in there and killing Helga, you probably shouldn't be.



ok i see how it is, but what if you are there from the start.

[dryuuyuuyy]

I also dont see why one of my reasons for being banned 7 days was admitting to ksing helga, which i did not, and how is helga ksable anyway?


one more thing Asmodejjj , very nice edit of my words. see the difference from what you bolded and what i actually wrote. ha ha nice try

[King_Obito]

learn2post.
Don't double.. triple.. quadruple.. post in a row?

[dryuuyuuyy]

ummmmm ok o.o?

[Celtic_Princess]

one more thing Asmodejjj , very nice edit of my words. see the difference from what you bolded and what i actually wrote. ha ha nice try

1. You edited your post. It displays at the bottom of the post

2. Do not turn this into a flame thread. If you would like to continue this discussion please do so via PM.


ok i see how it is, but what if you are there from the start.

If another party has already gotten Helga and started killing her, it doesn't matter if you were sitting there watching them do it...you shouldn't be joining in without the pt's permission.

The point of the agreement of a schedule is to keep people from KSing or training while a guild is trying to kill Helga. It is also there to try and prevent confusion over who had helga to begin with, who gets what drops, etc. You do not have to agree to it, nor do you have to participate in the schedule.

Also, if you want to multi-quote click the 'quote +' at the bottom of each post, and then select 'quote' on the last post you'd like to respond to. Each quote will appear in your response and you'll avoid double, triple, or quadruple posting :)

[mredlodge]

All the groups on the list have enough high level, spark cash using players to be able to kill helga in one of the estimated spawn time slots. Not all of thier players can make each raid, they are just a large enough pool of players in the group that they can get it done whenever thier turn comes up with whoever they have online at the time. It just so happens the members of these groups are contained in one single guild each.

If I were not a member of one of these groups already, I would have searched in-game and on forums as soon as this schedule was created for enough people to team up and be able to kill Helga at one of these estimated times. Instead of opening up a flame thread or spamming other threads with complaints, I would have gotten 2 or 3 raids in myself by now.

My group would have been recognized just like every guild on the schedule and been given a spot with the promise of no interruption from the other groups on the list/schedule.

[artboi]

All the groups on the list have enough high level, spark cash using players to be able to kill helga in one of the estimated spawn time slots. Not all of thier players can make each raid, they are just a large enough pool of players in the group that they can get it done whenever thier turn comes up with whoever they have online at the time. It just so happens the members of these groups are contained in one single guild each.

If I were not a member of one of these groups already, I would have searched in-game and on forums as soon as this schedule was created for enough people to team up and be able to kill Helga at one of these estimated times. Instead of opening up a flame thread or spamming other threads with complaints, I would have gotten 2 or 3 raids in myself by now.

My group would have been recognized just like every guild on the schedule and been given a spot with the promise of no interruption from the other groups on the list/schedule.

you so smart man xD

[Asmodejjj]

Im sorry, no offense intended, but obviously you did not interpret my message as it was suppose to be. first i said i did not admit to anything, secondly if everyone like i said was having a ks party and fighting for helga's drop, isnt everyone subject to ban. read carefully next time b4 you attempt to argue a case ;o

ok i see how it is, but what if you are there from the start.

one more thing Asmodejjj , very nice edit of my words. see the difference from what you bolded and what i actually wrote. ha ha nice try

I kinda see why no one likes you :/

And why people chain war your guild ;)

[dryuuyuuyy]

1. You edited your post. It displays at the bottom of the post


yes i edited my post, not to add words to that sentence, but to add the small paragraph at the end.

I kinda see why no one likes you :/

And why people chain war your guild ;)

Thats very funny, you don't know me or my guild, your not even on my server. And plenty of people like me, im not the one in another server's section of the forum jockin someone's posts ;o. If you're so well liked why cant you fit in on your own servers tavern " ;) "

and the funniest thing about your comment is, my OS profile has more friends than yours, someone needs to get some laser eye surgery. TheRealSasukeUchiha is my Profile ;o

[King_Obito]

Thats very funny, you don't know me or my guild, your not even on my server. And plenty of people like me, im not the one in another server's section of the forum jockin someone's posts ;o. If you're so well liked why cant you fit in on your own servers tavern " ;) "

Yeah well apparently you aren't making a good first impression. Also I didn't realize many people from our server even like you. :confused: Last but not least, I like Asmo and many people from all servers like him. Not just this one. Grow up.

[pepsi-pie]

Okay, but its not ks if the other party got there first, and got the first hit, yes? You also failed to explain how people who are not part of a major guild if they will ever get a turn, I have people who would be happy to join me from other guilds. You can stop trying to attack me, I'm not saying it's a horrible idea, I just don't agree with it. Or you shouldn't even call it a raid if that's how it's going to work out. A raid is basically a kq where lots of people and parties from different guilds and everything work together to kill a boss or monsters in a certain area. Anyway whatever I'm going to stop posting, sick of reading your flames. Wasn't anything to get all upset about, it was just something to think about and maybe you can make some improvements to try to include people who don't want to leave their guild to join some random "big" guild just to go to a raid. Thanks all for your time reading what I had to say and considering my thoughts, even though I'm sure no one considered them anyway.~

[dryuuyuuyy]

Yeah well apparently you aren't making a good first impression. Also I didn't realize many people from our server even like you. :confused: Last but not least, I like Asmo and many people from all servers like him. Not just this one. Grow up.

who has more friends though? lmao tell me ;o yea and ur the one who needs to grow up *cough* 2faced lying backstabber *cough*

And i can assure you, my adult future will be way more fruitful than urs *cough* failed school so u gotta take online classes *cough*

but whatever i feel what pepsie is trying to say in this thread

[King_Obito]

who has more friends though? lmao tell me ;o yea and ur the one who needs to grow up *cough* 2faced lying backstabber *cough*

And i can assure you, my adult future will be way more fruitful than urs *cough* failed school so u gotta take online classes *cough*

I think it's pretty self apparent. Also I don't really call myself that, when you make insults get them right the first time instead of editing your posts. Also I didn't fail school o.0 I chose to take online classes and I'm passing there just as well. Don't talk like you actually know me. kthnxBAI.

[dryuuyuuyy]

I think it's pretty self apparent.

lmao it is just read profiles.... oh wait did u fail language arts too o.o? anyway im done ;) -leaves thread-


when you make insults get them right the first time instead of editing your posts.

-comes back- says the person who just editted their post -leaves again for good - ;o

[Blaxcalibur]

A schedule for a raid? You've got to be kidding me. That's like putting a schedule for who get's to take over TR for an hour. I say it's a free game, and people should be able to grind/raid where they want, with who they want WHEN they want. A raid on every other game is just like a Kingdom Quest. Every party for themselves. I been around for a while, I don't think it says anything in the ToS about who get's Helga. That's like assigning who gets the drops. People are going to go in there anyway, either way. It's not against any "official" rules so technically it's not bannable and to be totally honest really very unfair to those outside of the "assigned" guild or "assigned" people to go in there.

"Please remember that selecting assistance from this thread is entirely up to the guild raiding that day, if you are not asked to assist in a raid and somehow interfere with their ability to kill helga you will be removed from the list."

:confused:Who are you to choose who gets to go and who doesn't. I can agree it's nice to have one group of people go at the time, but that's just not how it's going to work out. I'm sorry, but if this was meant to have 1 small assigned group to go in there at a time, then they would have made it like Dragon's Tomb where only 1 party can go in at a time. Just thought I'd lay this out cause it's really bothering me. Anyone agree??

Thank you, Pep.:cool:


So basically, u want to be able to go in and kill helga whenever u want just because its not a " 1 party map" like DT. That means if u were in one of the selected guilds thats able to kill helga w/o any other guilds help, you wouldnt mind a random pt comin in and gettin the last hit on helga after youve spent both in-game and irl money to be able to face. That doesnt sound realistic.

When did a kingdom quest become every pt for themself? no teamwork = failed kingdom quest. A few ppl can bring down a kq, n 1 person can completely wreck a helga raid.

Im not in one of the guilds nor do i care how many times helga is killed now. If your guild isnt capable of killing helga why are you worried about the ones who can? Just encourage ur guild to become like the 1337 ones who can handle helga. Helga has been around for a while now, n i doubt hes goin anywhere. U have time for ur own guild raids in the future.

[pepsi-pie]

Bye All Thanks anyway.~

[artboi]

Bye All Thanks anyway.~


good bye ^^

[Celtic_Princess]

[Closed] for flaming