Helga Raid Schedule ~ Part 2

[wiikkyd]

You would have gotten many +reps from me for the sheer amount of effort you've put into this...........congratulations :)

no one needs your reps.... XD


*claps* it makes me happy to see a server actually scheduling this Helga thing out instead of fighting over it. if this schedule works, i can only consider Teva the least dysfunctional server i know.

[jannij777]

ok they let us kill helga without disturbances from both HVG and SS, the only disturbance we had was from Blue_Sky (blackwar) that pulled mobs on us when helga was almost dead the first time we pulled him.
helga was killed at 5:45 pm OS time

we got only a helga shield
and a blue fighter shield



i think somebody took 1 of your helgaid weap

[jannij777]

i think i will bring BlackAngels back ....already talking whith some lvl8x hardcore sc user i will pm you if we are ready


but this time BlackAngels will come back and will be 1 of the strongest guild in teve (again)


Ioann77 warrior lvl89
Outsider paladin lvl82
Ioann mage lvl89
Ioann7 archer lvl 85

[thedark17]

Soo, are you guys open to suggestions on how things can work better, or is there a seperate thread for that?

[HeroicAce]

Soo, are you guys open to suggestions on how things can work better, or is there a seperate thread for that?

they are open, and this thread would probably work fine. or you could just pm meek that way whatever you suggest cant attract flames :)

[Celtic_Princess]

The other thread was closed because it went from comments and suggestions to personal attacks and flaming.

I encourage users to give their opinions/suggestions here or by PMing the OPs. However, if this thread resorts to flaming as well it will be closed.

[Kyo_Sama]

I encourage users to give their opinions/suggestions here or by PMing the OPs. However, if this thread resorts to flaming as well it will be closed.

You really believe that PM'ing the OPs is going to help considering it was one of the OP's who was actively participating in flaming ?


Quite frankly if the OP's are Involved in flaming what does that show you about their willingness to listen and adapt ?

You either have really high hopes or are the most Optimistic person on the face of this earth.

[thedark17]

they are open, and this thread would probably work fine. or you could just pm meek that way whatever you suggest cant attract flames :)

Well, ill prepare what i'll suggest and see if I should post it in public or pm it to meek or neon

(or whoever else decides stuff :D)

[Celtic_Princess]

You really believe that PM'ing the OPs is going to help considering it was one of the OP's who was actively participating in flaming ?

Quite frankly if the OP's are Involved in flaming what does that show you about their willingness to listen and adapt ?

You either have really high hopes or are the most Optimistic person on the face of this earth.

Kyo,

Quite frankly, I am no longer optimistic that Teva can work out a solution together. You all have shown in 3 threads now that you can't. However, I can always hope that someone steps forward and comes up with a peaceful solution.

I have seen 3 threads now go from people trying to work together to people slinging personal insults and attacks on others. This doesn't just occur on the OPs side, and its not justified on either. You are not solving the problem by doing so, you are not getting your point across, you are just insulting each other. I hope that you all realize at some point that all that is being accomplished by flaming is that you are tearing this server apart and that the resulting realization will make you all step back and see that its not worth it.

So yes, I encourage people to give their opinions, their ideas, etc to try to work together to come up with a better idea. I may not be optimistic about it but I certainly hope that it can be done.

[hostess619]

ok they let us kill helga without disturbances from both HVG and SS, the only disturbance we had was from <Removed> that pulled mobs on us when helga was almost dead the first time we pulled him.
helga was killed at 5:45 pm OS time

we got only a helga shield
and a blue fighter shield

i really love how you threw HVG's name in there and we never trained you caused you to fail. what you should be bringing up is the fact you said server raid over 4 times then train everyone over and over......


<removed>

[Celtic_Princess]

Hostess, please note that it says without disturbances from HVG. However, I seem to have missed the rest of that post and will now be going back to edit it for blacklisting. Thank you.

[bithun86]

Kyo,

Quite frankly, I am no longer optimistic that Teva can work out a solution together. You all have shown in 3 threads now that you can't. However, I can always hope that someone steps forward and comes up with a peaceful solution.

I have seen 3 threads now go from people trying to work together to people slinging personal insults and attacks on others. This doesn't just occur on the OPs side, and its not justified on either. You are not solving the problem by doing so, you are not getting your point across, you are just insulting each other. I hope that you all realize at some point that all that is being accomplished by flaming is that you are tearing this server apart and that the resulting realization will make you all step back and see that its not worth it.

So yes, I encourage people to give their opinions, their ideas, etc to try to work together to come up with a better idea. I may not be optimistic about it but I certainly hope that it can be done.

Well whenever I came up with some suggestion or opinions few players supporting the schedule, themselves where adamant that what they have done is good, how much effort they have put in and how much accolades they deserve for the same etc. etc. all the while they defended the schedule being the best without even understanding the suggestion...anyways there is still a suggestion thread open..i made it for the sake of pouring in some fun into the issue(coz it was meant for funny suggestions, but has turned into a serious one now >.<)...hope it doesn't end up being flamed and closed too :/
here's something i quoted earlier O_O..i'd like to say that again :/
helga indeed is the toughest monster to kill, I see that now, not because it is strong, but because it also carries the potential of affecting the relationship among players in the game, to enliven the worst sins of mankind in the players namely greed, anger, gluttony,pride & envy and further more the capability to divide the whole server.

[Celtic_Princess]

Well whenever I came up with some suggestion or opinions few players supporting the schedule, themselves where adamant that what they have done is good, how much effort they have put in and how much accolades they deserve for the same etc. etc. all the while they defended the schedule being the best without even understanding the suggestion...anyways there is still a suggestion thread open..i made it for the sake of pouring in some fun into the issue(coz it was meant for funny suggestions, but has turned into a serious one now >.<)...hope it doesn't end up being flamed and closed too :/
here's something i quoted earlier O_O..i'd like to say that again :/

I'm aware of your suggestion thread, and I've been keeping eye on it. I too, hope that it doesn't result in flames like the other three.

At the same time you have to understand that its a normal reaction for a human to defend what they've put a lot of their time and effort into. Does it mean that flaming on their part is ok? No. However, if someone (not you in this case, as I don't recall seeing flaming on your part) comes into the thread and instead of giving a suggestion immediately starts flaming and calling the OP names...well yeah, I'd expect the OP to be upset.

Unfortunately, I think the bulk of the suggestions that were made in that thread were buried under the flames and so nothing was accomplished. I do hope that your thread manages to overcome that and that something can be accomplished for the good of the server :)

[mredlodge]

I'm open to a few new options now after seeing this schedule is going to be contested to the bitter end by a few (mainly one) individuals.

1. Let's open up a week of raids each month open to entire server. We cram the 300-400 of us capable of killing Helga at the gate and wait for the others to pull him to us.

2. We divide our larger guilds into 3,4, or 5 Helga capable killing groups and demand several spots all based on times we are able to all be online. If it requires nobody killing Helga the day before, then so be it. We all can have a chance to kill helga every 60 days or so.

[Kyo_Sama]

I'm open to a few new options now after seeing this schedule is going to be contested to the bitter end by a few (mainly one) individuals.

1. Let's open up a week of raids each month open to entire server. We cram the 300-400 of us capable of killing Helga at the gate and wait for the others to pull him to us.


i hope that wasnt directed at me :rolleyes:

Anyway you all can hate me or not, but Stealthy has come up with a similar idea to one i was thinking of.

The difference being that the guilds may keep there raid days. Seeing as currently these 5 guilds each have 3 days or more of rading i'd like to see something more along the lines of X guild hosting a raid.

Premise: each of these guilds will be required should the consent to the schedule to open up 1 raid day to the public. Let it be know it is still their raid they are just allowing anyone to come and have fun with them. The handling of Drops will be upto the Guild Hosting the event If they want they may ask for any helga drops, let them go to whomever picks them up, or give them to a player they deem worthy, one who helped them.

The schedule would require some tweaking and talking to each guild to see when they would be willing to host.

Ex MA host week 1, HVG week 2, B][R week 3, I_C week 4... etc rotation as needed so that there is atleast one Pick Up Group "PUG" for the week for the server to attend.

Now, then as for the schedule i personally still dont approve of player designating and claiming an area as there own. However in the spirit of change and unity ill refrain from future comments of negative thought about this.

This is an idea, its upto you guilds whether or not to accept, reject it, or refine it.

[pokemon4955]

I've noticed lately,where in the world are Meek and Neon in these situation lol ): THey havent been on the forums lately to organize raids and talk things through o.o''

[Celtic_Princess]

I think thats a great idea. That way those who aren't in a guild or want to raid with friends can come and have the aid of a larger guild who already knows how to do it.

Good suggestion :)

[Nipah]

I've noticed lately,where in the world are Meek and Neon in these situation lol ): THey havent been on the forums lately to organize raids and talk things through o.o''

Meek is busy and neon is mia D;

[WinterClown]

Yay my thread got closed! -.-'
...cant come to think of anything else to say x.x lol

[Celtic_Princess]

Yay my thread got closed! -.-'
...cant come to think of anything else to say x.x lol

Sorry Winter, please PM me if you have any questions as to why the thread was closed.

[Kyo_Sama]

Yay my thread got closed! -.-'
...cant come to think of anything else to say x.x lol

Again I apologize for the role i played in that.

[bithun86]

Yay my thread got closed! -.-'
...cant come to think of anything else to say x.x lol
winter my thread is still open i'll pass over the credits for the same to u in that(i would have transferred the thread to u if i could have T_T)...sooo sorry it got closed T_T

[HeroicAce]

i hope that wasnt directed at me :rolleyes:

Anyway you all can hate me or not, but Stealthy has come up with a similar idea to one i was thinking of.

The difference being that the guilds may keep there raid days. Seeing as currently these 5 guilds each have 3 days or more of rading i'd like to see something more along the lines of X guild hosting a raid.

Premise: each of these guilds will be required should the consent to the schedule to open up 1 raid day to the public. Let it be know it is still their raid they are just allowing anyone to come and have fun with them. The handling of Drops will be upto the Guild Hosting the event If they want they may ask for any helga drops, let them go to whomever picks them up, or give them to a player they deem worthy, one who helped them.

The schedule would require some tweaking and talking to each guild to see when they would be willing to host.

Ex MA host week 1, HVG week 2, B][R week 3, I_C week 4... etc rotation as needed so that there is atleast one Pick Up Group "PUG" for the week for the server to attend.

Now, then as for the schedule i personally still dont approve of player designating and claiming an area as there own. However in the spirit of change and unity ill refrain from future comments of negative thought about this.

This is an idea, its upto you guilds whether or not to accept, reject it, or refine it.

im not sure i completely follow, so let me lay it out how im reading it and tell me if i got this right please.

We keep the schedule almost how it is, with the guilds scheduled each week with at least one rotating off to give a free day for new groups to try. then we also add a new rotation where one of the scheduled guilds opens their raid up to the public each week, and this would also rotate out each week. if that is what you are talking about i like the basic idea really well. i only have a few concerns i think should be addressed before we actually try it.

1. when you say open to the public do you mean public of friends and family of the guild along with good high lvl players interested in killing helga? or do you mean anyone including the 3-4x players that do nothing but pull monsters and cause problems even when they arent meaning to just because they arent strong enough? if its the later then it basically becomes a server raid and the guild might feel that it wouldnt even be worth it to show up.

2. everyone wants drops, the main reason the schedule was made is so that guilds could farm him and get drops without having to fight 6 other guilds to do so. if you have a public raid on a guild day and tell everyone that the weps go to the guild that is raiding then lots of people will get mad and upset and most probably wouldnt hand the weps over anyways. and on the opposite side if a guild who worked hard to get their slot has to give people the weps they spent time and sc trying to farm or if people say they will turn them in and then run off with them then they too will get upset and mad.

I like the general concept of the idea if i was indeed reading it right, but those are things i think would hinder the idea if we were to try it. however if we can come up with solutions to these possible problems then this might be the best idea for the schedule yet. there needs to be a way to allow more freedom of joining like your suggesting but to still limit the chaos of the old server raids.

oh i just thought of something. several people here have stated they never saw any problems with the server raids we had in the past, and to a degree that was true although we had one bad one. but when the people that are really for the schedule talk about the chaos of the server raids they are talking about the week before the schedule was made. which some of you that are referring to the old ones may not know what went on. basically what happened is that BIIR had a week or two of farming helga because they were the first guild to be able to do it. then after that a couple guilds got the people together and went to try it. on the first day BIIR didnt go for some reason or another but i think it was to give the other guild a shot. then on the next day both guilds showed up to raid helga followed by a bunch of random people that had been watching spawn time. fights and insults broke out on who should have helga. some said they were there first, others said it should be their shot, while others said its a free for all. this went on each day for a couple days with all the fighting a shouting cause there was 100+ people gathered for 2 drops. So to calm that chaos meek made the schedule and that is why the others say server raids didnt work, because they didnt. the reason they worked well before is cause it took 100+ people to kill him, but now that 5 people can kill him everyone sees 100 as too many people trying to take drops. so by making a schedule where people know when they can raid and now run into others we have somewhat calmed the chaos that had appeared. no it isnt perfect but that is why i like suggestions so that we can improve it and make it better.


*edit* sorry for the wall of text i tend to be long winded, but i hope that what i said makes sense.

[bithun86]

im not sure i completely follow, so let me lay it out how im reading it and tell me if i got this right please.

We keep the schedule almost how it is, with the guilds scheduled each week with at least one rotating off to give a free day for new groups to try. then we also add a new rotation where one of the scheduled guilds opens their raid up to the public each week, and this would also rotate out each week. if that is what you are talking about i like the basic idea really well. i only have a few concerns i think should be addressed before we actually try it.

1. when you say open to the public do you mean public of friends and family of the guild along with good high lvl players interested in killing helga? or do you mean anyone including the 3-4x players that do nothing but pull monsters and cause problems even when they arent meaning to just because they arent strong enough? if its the later then it basically becomes a server raid and the guild might feel that it wouldnt even be worth it to show up.

2. everyone wants drops, the main reason the schedule was made is so that guilds could farm him and get drops without having to fight 6 other guilds to do so. if you have a public raid on a guild day and tell everyone that the weps go to the guild that is raiding then lots of people will get mad and upset and most probably wouldnt hand the weps over anyways. and on the opposite side if a guild who worked hard to get their slot has to give people the weps they spent time and sc trying to farm or if people say they will turn them in and then run off with them then they too will get upset and mad.

I like the general concept of the idea if i was indeed reading it right, but those are things i think would hinder the idea if we were to try it. however if we can come up with solutions to these possible problems then this might be the best idea for the schedule yet. there needs to be a way to allow more freedom of joining like your suggesting but to still limit the chaos of the old server raids.

oh i just thought of something. several people here have stated they never saw any problems with the server raids we had in the past, and to a degree that was true although we had one bad one. but when the people that are really for the schedule talk about the chaos of the server raids they are talking about the week before the schedule was made. which some of you that are referring to the old ones may not know what went on. basically what happened is that BIIR had a week or two of farming helga because they were the first guild to be able to do it. then after that a couple guilds got the people together and went to try it. on the first day BIIR didnt go for some reason or another but i think it was to give the other guild a shot. then on the next day both guilds showed up to raid helga followed by a bunch of random people that had been watching spawn time. fights and insults broke out on who should have helga. some said they were there first, others said it should be their shot, while others said its a free for all. this went on each day for a couple days with all the fighting a shouting cause there was 100+ people gathered for 2 drops. So to calm that chaos meek made the schedule and that is why the others say server raids didnt work, because they didnt. the reason they worked well before is cause it took 100+ people to kill him, but now that 5 people can kill him everyone sees 100 as too many people trying to take drops. so by making a schedule where people know when they can raid and now run into others we have somewhat calmed the chaos that had appeared. no it isnt perfect but that is why i like suggestions so that we can improve it and make it better.


*edit* sorry for the wall of text i tend to be long winded, but i hope that what i said makes sense.


the problem with not being able to understand a suggestion and it's outcome :/ rather being adamant about sticking to one >.< thus fomenting a spark that carries the potential of turning into a flame O_O...

Kindly, learn something from the CL..

i hope that wasnt directed at me :rolleyes:

Anyway you all can hate me or not, but Stealthy has come up with a similar idea to one i was thinking of.

The difference being that the guilds may keep there raid days. Seeing as currently these 5 guilds each have 3 days or more of rading i'd like to see something more along the lines of X guild hosting a raid.

Premise: each of these guilds will be required should the consent to the schedule to open up 1 raid day to the public. Let it be know it is still their raid they are just allowing anyone to come and have fun with them. The handling of Drops will be upto the Guild Hosting the event If they want they may ask for any helga drops, let them go to whomever picks them up, or give them to a player they deem worthy, one who helped them.

The schedule would require some tweaking and talking to each guild to see when they would be willing to host.

Ex MA host week 1, HVG week 2, B][R week 3, I_C week 4... etc rotation as needed so that there is atleast one Pick Up Group "PUG" for the week for the server to attend.

Now, then as for the schedule i personally still dont approve of player designating and claiming an area as there own. However in the spirit of change and unity ill refrain from future comments of negative thought about this.

This is an idea, its upto you guilds whether or not to accept, reject it, or refine it.

what kyo sama meant was instead of having the whole month divided among the guilds with a person/persons taking charge of the whole thing. We can have a guild(s) or a group of people take on the leadership or charge of the whole helga Schedule for a week. Out of 7 days, 6 days the guild or the group of people will be basically overlooking or hosting the whole helga affair, they can invite players from any guild they want to(their friends etc. etc. irrespective of their guild..or allow someone who wants to join em....or let some other guild kill helga..."it's upto them"..again the distribution of the drops will be on their discreet i.e. if they want it to be with whoever gets the drop or they want to share it with the one who deserves it..etc..) the last day will basically be open to all, a server wide raid....again the next week another guild or group takes on the responsibility for carrying out the same.

it was just a suggestion(i feel indeed a really nice one) open for discussion and no one was forcing anyone to implement it without discussing :/

the additional suggestion i could give to it is apart from just a guild we could also let a group of players from various guilds to take on the charge too considering they haven't taken the same or been in a guild that took it in past 1 month...all the guilds or the group of people interested in taking on the responsibility could sign up in a thread meant for the same in the forum...the guild or the group of people(should be atleast 5 preferably :/) will be randomly designated the charges without any biasing possibly with the use of some tool or software that generates random numbers viz. random.org ...the group that has the same will be responsible for maintaining the whole thing for a week inc. running a thread etc. etc. incase of any violation of ToS the group or guild will be responsible for reporting the same to OS...

[HeroicAce]

the problem with not being able to understand a suggestion and it's outcome :/ rather being adamant about sticking to one >.< thus fomenting a spark that carries the potential of turning into a flame O_O...

Kindly, learn something from the CL..

what kyo sama meant was instead of having the whole month divided among the guilds with a person/persons taking charge of the whole thing. We can have a guild or a group of people take on the leadership or charge of the whole helga Schedule for a week. Out of 7 days, 6 days the guild or the group of people will be basically overlooking the whole helga affair, they can invite players from any guild they want to(their friends etc. etc. irrespective of their guild..or allow someone who wants to join em..."it's upto them"..again the distribution of the drops will be on their discreet i.e. if they want it to be with whoever gets the drop or they want to share it with the one who deserves it..etc..) the last day will basically be open to all, a server wide raid....again the next week another guild or group takes on the responsibility for carrying out the same.

it was just a suggestion(i feel indeed a really nice one) open for discussion and no one was forcing anyone to implement it without discussing :/

the suggestion i could give to it is apart from just a guild we could also let a group of players from different guilds to take on the charge too...

as i stated in my post. i didnt follow completely thats why i wanted to clarify. the way you describe it isnt bad either but i think id like word from kyo just to fully understand what she meant.

[bithun86]

i have edited my post kindly read it O_O

[FuSiOnStealth]

Anyway you all can hate me or not, but Stealthy has come up with a similar idea to one i was thinking of.


Credit to hoozey/trampy/recurve as its his idea ^^

[bithun86]

ohh yeah keep going i hope the whole server this time atleast comes up with a please all solution and be a big(bad :D) family once again

[SweetLavender]

yay Collision's turn ^^ can't wait :P hopefully no drama tonight >> I'm recording this guys so

[BlackDragonEX]

yay Collision's turn ^^ can't wait :P hopefully no drama tonight >> I'm recording this guys so

good luck :) :)

[pokemon4955]

ewwww aega ): so there will be two of us who will record?:D lmao
pst ;P record closer to helga to see who got the drop or who ks'ed lmfao ;P

[SweetLavender]

ewwww aega ): so there will be two of us who will record?:D lmao
pst ;P record closer to helga to see who got the drop or who ks'ed lmfao ;P

lol maybe :P shall I? and yes we'll have Jerry-vision and Aega-vision :P

[Kyo_Sama]

im not sure i completely follow, so let me lay it out how im reading it and tell me if i got this right please.

We keep the schedule almost how it is, with the guilds scheduled each week with at least one rotating off to give a free day for new groups to try. then we also add a new rotation where one of the scheduled guilds opens their raid up to the public each week, and this would also rotate out each week. if that is what you are talking about i like the basic idea really well. i only have a few concerns i think should be addressed before we actually try it.

To an extent that is what im saying, However its their raid day and they have some control still.


1. when you say open to the public do you mean public of friends and family of the guild along with good high lvl players interested in killing helga? or do you mean anyone including the 3-4x players that do nothing but pull monsters and cause problems even when they arent meaning to just because they arent strong enough? if its the later then it basically becomes a server raid and the guild might feel that it wouldnt even be worth it to show up.


I mean everyone who can make it to HT. Quite frankly theres no reason not to involve anyone who can make it, And you never know these guilds might just end up wanting to recruit some of the people they find coming along.



2. everyone wants drops, the main reason the schedule was made is so that guilds could farm him and get drops without having to fight 6 other guilds to do so. if you have a public raid on a guild day and tell everyone that the weps go to the guild that is raiding then lots of people will get mad and upset and most probably wouldnt hand the weps over anyways. and on the opposite side if a guild who worked hard to get their slot has to give people the weps they spent time and sc trying to farm or if people say they will turn them in and then run off with them then they too will get upset and mad.


I really dont get from what experience you are basing this on. You are presupposing that every player on our server is either a thief, a liar, or very unethical.

Honestly their may be cases of this i dont know / wont know. However most players would take a guild opening up and showing them / letting the participate in the raiding process rather kindly and as such if they are not outcast are more willing to come to terms with handing over the drops to that guild should that guild want the drops in the first place. Not all guilds are in it for the stocking of weapons, but rather the betterment of their guild. What happens when they meet their quota for a certain number of shields ? etc. Do you think people are going to be buying helgaits currently i dont see this happening since the market is already over saturated and hyper inflated.
So the guild could give the drop to someone thus increasing there standing in the community instead of proving to some players that this schedule was indeed made for sheer greed and malice.

I'd quote people on how they said this isnt the case, well to those who say its not the case all you have to do to prove some naysayers wrong is accept this idea, then start giving away drops to people who come to participate with you.

[TheRealSasukeUchiha]

lawl someone please let me join their raid D:

[pokemon4955]

Helga got down to 1/4 HP n then tankers feared and he figures he got bored of collision so he decided to run back x_x

[Kyo_Sama]

Helga got down to 1/4 HP n then tankers feared and he figures he got bored of collision so he decided to run back x_x

So helga is still alive ?

im not sure i get whats being said in the post

[boomdude111]

they almost had Helga :3 still raiding :) go Collision go

[SweetLavender]

yeah I think Collision has bad experience when it comes to mobs. Even in DT, we had a couple of moments where flame spirits wouldn't budge. it only budged when I pulled XD

Helga still isn't dead yet lol. I'm not happy with our audience tonight either. we have people following us and people running in the middle.

[krazykris_2000]

We give up. I will not say anything about anyone attending tonight or what happened, you know who you are and what you did.

So on that note: Server Raid time. Have fun all.

[SweetLavender]

woohoo! server raid! will be my first server raid success that I attended if we do succeed lmao. good luck everyone

[artboi]

sorry to hear you guys had similar problems to our raid.

[IroguroMeek]

Sorry guys, been busy, and Jerry I've only been gone for 1 and a half day LMAO, you make it sound like I died.

Sorry to hear about all the issues, I'd like to remind everyone that you should be courtieous of the raiding guild. Put yourself in their shoes.

And also as a response to the idea by Kyo, its a pretty good idea, but the only issue I see with that is that, the leading guild that week, has the right to invite whom ever they want to the raid. I don't know if any of the guilds who can kill Helga on their own would invite others when they don't need the help. And since the leading guild would be the ones doing most of the work, i.e. Pulling/Tanking, I'm not sure if they will be happy with the drop going to someone outside the guild. I mean, if all the guilds agree to giving away the drops to others outside of thier guild that show up for the raid, then we wouldn't have a problem. But that really depends on them.

So for example: Guild A is leading the raids for the week, and according to what I've read, 6 of the days, they can choose to invite whoever they want. More than likely, they will not invite alot of people, maybe even none. That means, they would get 6 Helgas to them in 1 week, and there would still only be 1 server raid day.

I believe JJ is signing up as a leader for a server raid (excluding the guilds already on the list) already.


Anyways, I believe Helga was killed at umm 8:28pm OS time? Correct me if I'm wrong. From what I heard, HVG obtained the drops, bow and xbow.

Also, I'm not sure if I missed this or not, but did you state a day that you wanted to raid yet JJ?

[hostess619]

i believe helga was killed at 830pm today just a guess but i hope it helps

[Kyo_Sama]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/yupat01/Fiesta/ya2.jpg

To clear up the confusion the days highlighted in Green are the Pick up days...

Notice the calendar didnt change. No one group is gaining control over a week.

The only change is that the open the door that day instead of making it private they host a raid for others to come join.

They get overall end say on drop since they would be the majority workload most instances.

1 host pick up day a week, it rotates so that each guild on the schedule with greater than 3 days shares their knowledge and time and gives back to the community. Because in the long run thats the only way we will have a schedule expansive enough to make a rotation where your lucky to have 2 days out of the month to raid.

[IroguroMeek]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/yupat01/Fiesta/ya2.jpg

To clear up the confusion the days highlighted in Green are the Pick up days...

Notice the calendar didnt change. No one group is gaining control over a week.

The only change is that the open the door that day instead of making it private they host a raid for others to come join.

They get overall end say on drop since they would be the majority workload most instances.

1 host pick up day a week, it rotates so that each guild on the schedule with greater than 3 days shares their knowledge and time and gives back to the community. Because in the long run thats the only way we will have a schedule expansive enough to make a rotation where your lucky to have 2 days out of the month to raid.

I'm already in the process of giving JJ a raid each week. He is opening up that day to everyone on Teva and anyone, besides guilds already on the list, may go and participate with him. It would be similiar, from what I can see, the pick up days are basically 1 server raid each week. And from what JJ is doing, he is already obtaining 1 server raid each week. Would that be the same? Or did you have something else in mind.

And I just got done checking out the spawn times, and to be honest, it seems like we are going to be running short on time once more when Tuesday comes around. The 2 hour time block seemed to help, but I guess there are flaws in it as well. If we run out of time and Collision doesnt get their tuesday spawn, we might have to compensate them with another day again.

I was thinking, maybe we should not schedule any guilds for Tuesdays because it seems like we always run out of time no matter what. And instead, we skip 2 guilds a week versus 1 guild a week, to compensate for Tuesday spawn being lost. And if for some reason, we get a Tuesday spawn, it will just be a Server Raid. Does anyone have any ideas on how we can manage the time better? I honestly would hate to push the expected respawn time back more, it is bad enough already as it is.

[jliciousness]

i believe helga was killed at 830pm today just a guess but i hope it helps

w8 up... i thot he died at 8:23 o.0...im pretty sure he died at this time since ppl from the raid even went 2 pvp kq after helga died...

______________________________
I'll take week ends...so either saturday or sunday when more ppl are online...

[HeroicAce]

ok i was at work so i missed a lot. kyo i like the idea, and as far as me thinking everyone is greedy/ a thief and whatever else was said that wasnt how i meant to come across. i only meant that there are probably people out there that wouldnt want to work with the guild or people in the guilds that wouldnt want to work with the rest. drops was the area i approached it from because that is a major part of these raids and its the focus of many raiders. you cleared up the idea nicely though and i would be willing to try it if the other guilds joined in.

also meek, i have a question about our time tomorrow. since helga was killed after tomorrow's expected spawn time (8:30pm vs 8:00pm) does our 2 hours start from the expected time or actual time in our case?

[IroguroMeek]

ok i was at work so i missed a lot. kyo i like the idea, and as far as me thinking everyone is greedy/ a thief and whatever else was said that wasnt how i meant to come across. i only meant that there are probably people out there that wouldnt want to work with the guild or people in the guilds that wouldnt want to work with the rest. drops was the area i approached it from because that is a major part of these raids and its the focus of many raiders. you cleared up the idea nicely though and i would be willing to try it if the other guilds joined in.

also meek, i have a question about our time tomorrow. since helga was killed after tomorrow's expected spawn time (8:30pm vs 8:00pm) does our 2 hours start from the expected time or actual time in our case?

Actual spawn time, we are going to run out of time regardless again for Tuesday. Still thinking of other possible ways around this. I'll try to compensate Collision again for their lost Tuesday. I'll be going to bed, so I'll answer any other questions tomorrow.

[jliciousness]

Actual spawn time, we are going to run out of time regardless again for Tuesday. Still thinking of other possible ways around this. I'll try to compensate Collision again for their lost Tuesday. I'll be going to bed, so I'll answer any other questions tomorrow.

w8 so from here on are we gonna start the 2hour time limit from when the actual respawn time is????

i mean for the whole sched.???

[HeroicAce]

w8 so from here on are we gonna start the 2hour time limit from when the actual respawn time is????

i mean for the whole sched.???

im almost positive he means this time because actual spawn time is after the expected. so think of it this way, if he spawns before or on the expected the 2 hours starts on the expected. if he spawns after the expected then the 2 hours starts on the actual. that way no one has less than 2 hours and you also dont have to rush and re plan if a guild kills him early.

[artboi]

the 2 hour time limit is good but should only be applied on the expected spawn time, and not the actual spawn time.

[HeroicAce]

even for cases such as tonight where he wasnt killed till 30 minutes after tomorrow's expected spawn time? that would leave us an hour and 30 minutes to raid. which i wouldnt be against if everyone had that much, but for everyone else to have 2 hours and we get 1 and a half because another group took longer i dont really think is fair.

p.s. dont want to sound like im blaming you collision i know stuff happens. i wasnt there for all of it but i am told we took almost 3 hours to kill him last week. im just arguing against this because im thinking what if he was killed at 9:58 tonight? then would we have 2 minutes to kill him before a server raid was called? thats why i think the 2 hours should start on the actual time for cases in which helga will spawn after the expected.

[jannij777]

even for cases such as tonight where he wasnt killed till 30 minutes after tomorrow's expected spawn time? that would leave us an hour and 30 minutes to raid. which i wouldnt be against if everyone had that much, but for everyone else to have 2 hours and we get 1 and a half because another group took longer i dont really think is fair.

p.s. dont want to sound like im blaming you collision i know stuff happens. i wasnt there for all of it but i am told we took almost 3 hours to kill him last week. im just arguing against this because im thinking what if he was killed at 9:58 tonight? then would we have 2 minutes to kill him before a server raid was called? thats why i think the 2 hours should start on the actual time for cases in which helga will spawn after the expected.




yesterday i saw a lot greedy people who was waiting collision to fail,
i think this helgaid weap story will end very bad

[klemy]

omg omg! I smell drama ;] feed me.

[Marck]

even for cases such as tonight where he wasnt killed till 30 minutes after tomorrow's expected spawn time? that would leave us an hour and 30 minutes to raid. which i wouldnt be against if everyone had that much, but for everyone else to have 2 hours and we get 1 and a half because another group took longer i dont really think is fair.

p.s. dont want to sound like im blaming you collision i know stuff happens. i wasnt there for all of it but i am told we took almost 3 hours to kill him last week. im just arguing against this because im thinking what if he was killed at 9:58 tonight? then would we have 2 minutes to kill him before a server raid was called? thats why i think the 2 hours should start on the actual time for cases in which helga will spawn after the expected.

yesterday it worked like that... before to a server raid be called!
waited 2 hours by the spawn of helga, it spawned 6.04 pm(server raid called at 8.04pm OS time)

[Celtic_Princess]

Kyo, from what I understand you're saying that of (based on the current schedule) a guilds 3/4 scheduled raids they open up one day in which they basically act as the organizer for a server raid?

I think thats a great idea. There's a lot of smaller guilds that would probably love to participate but either don't have the man power or have never done it and so can't organize it successfully within the 2hr limit needed to keep everyone on schedule.

Me likey ^^

However, I do think that if these guilds are getting one or two raid days outside of that day, the hellgait weps gained from their 'organized server raid' should be given to members of the smaller guilds.

On a side note, there have been situations in the past where players have taken a hellgait wep and basically run. I won't mention names or guilds on here, but it has unfortunately happened.

[IroguroMeek]

So yeah, I've come to the realization that there probably will never be a Tuesday Spawn unless there is either a server reset or guilds are limited to 1 hour to kill Helga LMAO.

Anyways, I don't want to limit guilds to 1 hour and so do you guys think it is best we:

a) Get rid of Tuesday Raids and skip 2 guilds each week instead of 1.

or

b) Switch over to a 2 week schedule, I believe we have 7 that can kill it, and 3 guilds already assigned for attempts. Thats already 10 days, and there will be 1 day out of each week that there will be a server raid held by JJ that includes everyone but the guilds already on the list. I believe we will still need to skip Tuesdays, as there won't be a spawn even with the 2 hour block. So that comes out to 12 days already, minus 2 Tuesdays is 14 days total. The rules would still apply to the attempting guilds, they get 1 day and if they prove they can kill it and wish to continue they may get more days.

I'm open to suggestions, as of now im stumped on how to get a Tuesday Spawn.

[BlackDragonEX]

So yeah, I've come to the realization that there probably will never be a Tuesday Spawn unless there is either a server reset or guilds are limited to 1 hour to kill Helga LMAO.

Anyways, I don't want to limit guilds to 1 hour and so do you guys think it is best we:

a) Get rid of Tuesday Raids and skip 2 guilds each week instead of 1.

or

b) Switch over to a 2 week schedule, I believe we have 7 that can kill it, and 3 guilds already on assigned. Thats already 10 days, and there will be 1 day out of each week that there will be a server raid held by JJ that includes everyone but the guilds already on the list. I believe we will still need to skip Tuesdays, as there won't be a spawn even with the 2 hour block. So that comes out to 12 days already, minus 2 Tuesdays is 14 days total.

I'm open to suggestions, as of now im stumped on how to get a Tuesday Spawn.

I dont find that fair that if your guild is on the List you 'cant attend the Sever raid' if its a sever raid the whole server should be able to attend that? >.>

[HeroicAce]

I dont find that fair that if your guild is on the List you 'cant attend the Sever raid' if its a sever raid the whole server should be able to attend that? >.>

the whole server can attend a server raid, in fact i know MA, and HVG have been at least to one each and i think HVG got the drops when they went. this is not really going to be a server raid though. JJ is making a group to kill and opening it up like a server raid but sticking to the rules of not inviting people from the schedule guilds. basically he is trying to give "the little guy" a chance to raid without the 5 big guilds being there.


*edit* and meek, i have no idea what to do. im as stumped as you are.

[DemonBlitzKragor]

Just would like to add, that with the 105 cap coming soon, some of these guilds may go poof from the list for a rush to the cap xP.

[jannij777]

meek find us a date BlackAngels are back ....


I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 3.7kdef+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 3.2k def+, 1.8k mg def+, 6k hp +


i dont think its a proplem if my members have more def ,hp,and m def
as you writted

Ioann77 fighter lvl89
Ioann mage lvl 89
Ioann7 archer lvl85
Outsider paladin lvl 82

[MattS2Rachel]

Just would like to add, that with the 105 cap coming soon, some of these guilds may go poof from the list for a rush to the cap xP.

lol probably but it depends if they going to nerf the helgaits or remove the stats. and killing helga won't take much time now lol

[IroguroMeek]

Just would like to add, that with the 105 cap coming soon, some of these guilds may go poof from the list for a rush to the cap xP.

Hahaha, I doubt it will change much, it only takes 1 day out of the week (roughly 2-3hours) to kill helga. It isn't much time out of someone's grinding schedule, but we will have to see.

meek find us a date BlackAngels are back ....


I have determined that they must need atleast:

2 fighters with 3.7kdef+, 1.7k mg def+, 8k hp +
2 Clerics with 3.2k def+, 1.8k mg def+, 6k hp +


i dont think its a proplem if my members have more def ,hp,and m def
as you writted

Ioann77 fighter lvl89
Ioann mage lvl 89
Ioann7 archer lvl85
Outsider paladin lvl 82

I received the PM earlier, and I'm working on changing the schedule once more. I'll let you know once I figured it out. Feed backs on the ideas guys? And Goodluck to IC today.

[meriel]

Helga killed at 9:25 pm OS time

[zoey199]

Kay thanks mehiel <3

[zoey199]

i cannot promise we will kill it within 45 mins allowing for a raid tomorrow btw T^T my apologies but this will be our first time lol

[Xylvion]

my opinion o:!
this stinks :3
hey my guild wants one day in the week also, that we can have every week, even tho we can't kill helga we want one :3 I claim mondays :3, so ima be there every monday from now on is that okay with you, okay that sounds great then, cause im a capped player that uses sparkcash and owns all of you other people muahahaha (this is my opinion of this schedule)

sorry meek, but it's true :/

[neonlovesyou]

my opinion o:!
this stinks :3
hey my guild wants one day in the week also, that we can have every week, even tho we can't kill helga we want one :3 I claim mondays :3, so ima be there every monday from now on is that okay with you, okay that sounds great then, cause im a capped player that uses sparkcash and owns all of you other people muahahaha (this is my opinion of this schedule)

sorry meek, but it's true :/

Your guild said they didnt want one anymore lmfao.

Didn't you quit? o.o

[FaytLeonheartOmega]

i cant wait till helga gets shoved to its new place ^.~ die there and poof xD

[jannij777]

BlackAngels is back .....now we need some dates

[Xylvion]

Your guild said they didnt want one anymore lmfao.

Didn't you quit? o.o

taht was my opinion about it >.>, it's just an example o:

[Celtic_Princess]

my opinion o:!
this stinks :3
hey my guild wants one day in the week also, that we can have every week, even tho we can't kill helga we want one :3 I claim mondays :3, so ima be there every monday from now on is that okay with you, okay that sounds great then, cause im a capped player that uses sparkcash and owns all of you other people muahahaha (this is my opinion of this schedule)

sorry meek, but it's true :/

Whether you agree with the schedule or not please attempt to post your opinions and criticisms in a civil manner. Three threads now have been closed because users have failed to do so.

[zoey199]

*rudely pokes celtic* >.> I...nvm
*huggles and runs* AHHHHHHH SCARY T^T

[IroguroMeek]

i cannot promise we will kill it within 45 mins allowing for a raid tomorrow btw T^T my apologies but this will be our first time lol

Don't worry, I'm sure there won't be a Tuesday Spawn once more. Because maintence happens at 10pm OS time, so even if you guys kill it in 30minutes, that only leaves Collision with 15minutes to do the raid and I don't think that will be sufficient time. So go ahead and take up 2 hours as planned. We will compensate Collision once more when I get the new schedule figured out.

my opinion o:!
this stinks :3
hey my guild wants one day in the week also, that we can have every week, even tho we can't kill helga we want one :3 I claim mondays :3, so ima be there every monday from now on is that okay with you, okay that sounds great then, cause im a capped player that uses sparkcash and owns all of you other people muahahaha (this is my opinion of this schedule)

sorry meek, but it's true :/

I dont get it. lmao

BlackAngels is back .....now we need some dates

I'll have your guys first day up as soon as I get a new schedule up and going. I'm getting some input from people atm.

And grats to IC!

Cap raise in 2 days! Anyone want to race me? Last to Cap wins!

[Xylvion]

Whether you agree with the schedule or not please attempt to post your opinions and criticisms in a civil manner. Three threads now have been closed because users have failed to do so.


just a question, isn't this a way of spotclaiming which is against the ToS anyways? o.O

[SweetLavender]

yeah Collision will not have time to kill Helga on Tuesday Oo unless we pull what we did 2 weeks ago...meh not gonna happen lol. we'll see ^^ Meek I'd race ya to the cap but I got an Earth day project cleaning up a river Wednesday morning lol but I'll give it a try ;)

[Celtic_Princess]

http://i44.tinypic.com/e6x84w.jpg

^ This is what too much poking does! D:

just a question, isn't this a way of spotclaiming which is against the ToS anyways? o.O

This question has been brought up a few times in several threads.

The schedule is nothing more than an agreement between the guilds who choose to participate not to get in each others way. This is a voluntary agreement and in no way binds anyone from going in to HT and trying on their own or with a group of their choosing. The rules, as they are, are unenforceable as the creators of the schedule are not staff members. However, they do expect some sort of decency and respect between those who do decide to adopt their schedule. I guess you could say those who put their name on the list are bound by a sense of honor. Those that are not participants in the schedule are bound by nothing.

So to answer your question, no, they are not spot claiming. They are saying that they will attempt a raid on a particular day, and the guilds on the list have agreed not to interfere. However, this doesn't mean that it is 'their day' as any other group or guild can choose to raid as well.

[pokemon4955]

So, who wanna bet that 70% of the ppl will rush off to cap and forget the helga lmao.Cap raise \o/

[boomdude111]

I agree with Meek, as Helga is only a small portion of time to kill, most guilds will still be raiding. I for one have never raced to cap, so what the heck, i'll go all out, but if my guild does a raid, hey, I'll be there to help still lol.

And most players are only racing to 91 for the helgait drops anyways, so yeah :/

[Xx_OP_Sanji_xX]

I agree with Meek, as Helga is only a small portion of time to kill, most guilds will still be raiding. I for one have never raced to cap, so what the heck, i'll go all out, but if my guild does a raid, hey, I'll be there to help still lol.

And most players are only racing to 91 for the helgait drops anyways, so yeah :/

Nah bro .. x.x there is some freak lvlers out there ... u will see it soon by ur self xD

[Marck]

Nah bro .. x.x there is some freak lvlers out there ... u will see it soon by ur self xD

yes there are... but guess they find samely time to raid! otherwise i was one of those lvlr lol... but i give up... get 91 and stop

[jliciousness]

how bout next weeks schedule shall involve new guilds/groups who will sign up and if no1 will sign up lets just make it a server raid....

even if they're not 100% sure they can take down helga, lets just givem a chance. theres a 2hour time limit anyway b4 its going 2 be an official(under this schedule) server raid...

lets try this for 1 week and see how it goes.

[zoey199]

like just hold a week open give multiple guilds 2 hour chances ea day and see how it goes? slightly confused but yea it would be nice for newer guilds to have a week to just try. maybe keep 3 out of 4 weeks for scheduling each month and hold a open week for anyone and everyone who wants a shot. sounds reasonable although loss of helga weapons it gives everyone a shot i suppose

[zoey199]

Lols got trained a couple times by random guild fighter Shameless called server raid after 12~20 failed attempts due to kallaps x3
Kill time 11:08 Os time not that it matters

[Xylvion]

how bout next weeks schedule shall involve new guilds/groups who will sign up and if no1 will sign up lets just make it a server raid....

even if they're not 100% sure they can take down helga, lets just givem a chance. theres a 2hour time limit anyway b4 its going 2 be an official(under this schedule) server raid...

lets try this for 1 week and see how it goes.

you guys should make a server raid once every week, it's for the people that also want weps but don't wanna leave their guilds to join another guild and so on :D (don't have time to explain any deeper Q.o-School- Dx!)

[jannij777]

2 days are over and i still dont see BLackAngels name.....

1.step go in front page
2.step see who maked the most rides,or who already got most weaps
3.put name of BlackAngels ,or supremesociety(and we are talking about this week not next month)
4.or should i ask for a permanently day for BlackAngels?

all that will take you about 2 min

sry but i promissed my member a date,and i always keep my promisses

Ioann77 fighter lvl89
Ioann mage lvl89
Ioann7 archer lvl 85
Outsider paladin lvl 83

[Xx_OP_Sanji_xX]

yes there are... but guess they find samely time to raid! otherwise i was one of those lvlr lol... but i give up... get 91 and stop

lmfaoooo sure u r the #1 in this sever.. mage 7x in 1~2 weeks >.>"

[jannij777]

lmfaoooo sure u r the #1 in this sever.. mage 7x in 1~2 weeks >.>"


2 weeks why he took so long ....

[Xx_OP_Sanji_xX]

2 weeks why he took so long ....

x.x i am stuck between lvling freaks lol.. anyways i'll let the thread back to its topic >.>" lol

[Marck]

lmfaoooo sure u r the #1 in this sever.. mage 7x in 1~2 weeks >.>"

lol on mage took 3 weeks to get lvl79 but doing slow also cause started cleric same day... my archer took 2 weeks to cap by lvl1

[zoey199]

BlackAngels guild.
1 have you given them your tank / cleric stats?
2 have you said a specific open day?
3 have you sent Meek a Pm on forums?

[HeroicAce]

also ioann meek said he is in the process of reworking the whole schedule, so he probably doesnt have any dates for anyone yet. we will all have to wait until he gets it worked out.

[zoey199]

Also Meek thanks for letting us try, to many complications and outside influences i think i'll stick to helping out other ppls raids for now lol.

[jannij777]

BlackAngels guild.
1 have you given them your tank / cleric stats?
2 have you said a specific open day?
3 have you sent Meek a Pm on forums?



you are joking right,or you just started this game

+ meek knows that im not going into a ride whithout to have the right people

i will give you just a info:all players in BlackAngels are capped .whith full+9 godly gears ,whith ueber def ,hp +full charmed


whith def over 5k full charmed,also mostly maked a lot helgaraids so i think i can say if we can do it or not

im prety sure meek will find a sulotion,im just reminding him,

Ioann77 fighter lvl89
Outsider Paladin lvl83
Ioann mage lvl89
Ioann7 archer lvl85

[jannij777]

also ioann meek said he is in the process of reworking the whole schedule, so he probably doesnt have any dates for anyone yet. we will all have to wait until he gets it worked out.


no dates?that means we can go make all thoose days server raids untill all guilds get a date?

[MattS2Rachel]

you are joking right,or you just started this game

i will give you just a info:all players in BlackAngels are capped .whith full+9 godly gears ,whith ueber def ,hp +full charmed


whith def over 5k full charmed,also mostly maked a lot helgaraids so i think i can say if we can do it or not

im prety sure meek will find a sulotion,im just reminding him,

Ioann77 fighter lvl89
Outsider Paladin lvl83
Ioann mage lvl89
Ioann7 archer lvl85

lol over c 0 cky. can't blame ppl for not knowing u. so just relax.

[IroguroMeek]

Sorry guys, been busy with school and other stuff, these are the only two options I have come up with.

a) Get rid of Tuesday Raids and skip 2 guilds each week instead of 1.

or

b) Switch over to a 2 week schedule, I believe we have 7 that can kill it, and 3 guilds already on assigned. Thats already 10 days, and there will be 1 day out of each week that there will be a mini-server raid held by JJ that includes everyone but the guilds already on the list. I believe we will still need to skip Tuesdays, as there won't be a spawn even with the 2 hour block. So that comes out to 12 days already, minus 2 Tuesdays is 14 days total.

If for some reason we get a Tuesday Spawn, or a server reset, we can make it a server raid where everyone can go to it.

I need the objections, agreements, or any new ideas of you guys. This schedule is made to suit all of us, so your input into this will be much appreciated.

So far no one really has stated their opinion of either one, and it would be helpful if everyone gave some input.

And also, can we get confirmation that SG+VK are still going this saturday? I haven't heard from them in a while.

[jannij777]

,,,shamelles kiled helga yesterday?
if the 2 guilds dont do the ride on saturday can we have that date?
or 28 th?

[jliciousness]

,,,shamelles kiled helga yesterday?
if the 2 guilds dont do the ride on saturday can we have that date?
or 28 th?

wasnt it a server raid yesterday???

[mredlodge]

Sorry guys, been busy with school and other stuff, these are the only two options I have come up with.

a) Get rid of Tuesday Raids and skip 2 guilds each week instead of 1.

or

b) Switch over to a 2 week schedule, I believe we have 7 that can kill it, and 3 guilds already on assigned. Thats already 10 days, and there will be 1 day out of each week that there will be a mini-server raid held by JJ that includes everyone but the guilds already on the list. I believe we will still need to skip Tuesdays, as there won't be a spawn even with the 2 hour block. So that comes out to 12 days already, minus 2 Tuesdays is 14 days total.

If for some reason we get a Tuesday Spawn, or a server reset, we can make it a server raid where everyone can go to it.

I need the objections, agreements, or any new ideas of you guys. This schedule is made to suit all of us, so your input into this will be much appreciated.

So far no one really has stated their opinion of either one, and it would be helpful if everyone gave some input.

And also, can we get confirmation that SG+VK are still going this saturday? I haven't heard from them in a while.

Have you asked B_A if they are capable of one of the earlier raids? We seem to lose alot of time by Friday nights kill. After that we are to the weekends and evening time when raids should be easier to man. If we could have 3 guilds capable of early raids, that would bring us up to the weekend. In the future, when they are supposed to give up thier days, server raids shouldn't be a problem at these times.

It would be a terrible waste to give up an extra spawn. Even if one of the free or server raids had to be on Friday at 2 pm OS time, it would be better than losing a spawn.

[zoey199]

yea Shameless opened to server raid due to excessive complications x-x aka ppl pulling armies of kallaps down on us lmao.
helga was killed but we do not know who has the drops, helgait hammer i saw idk about the rest

[HeroicAce]

option B sounds like it will work better from my view, but im a little lost on how exactly it will work. would you mind placing an example of how it would play out?

[purpleronnie]

owh yea if SG+VK did not reply any confirmation on this saturday raid can BA get the date?

[Iffrit]

Sorry guys, been busy with school and other stuff, these are the only two options I have come up with.

a) Get rid of Tuesday Raids and skip 2 guilds each week instead of 1.

or

b) Switch over to a 2 week schedule, I believe we have 7 that can kill it, and 3 guilds already on assigned. Thats already 10 days, and there will be 1 day out of each week that there will be a mini-server raid held by JJ that includes everyone but the guilds already on the list. I believe we will still need to skip Tuesdays, as there won't be a spawn even with the 2 hour block. So that comes out to 12 days already, minus 2 Tuesdays is 14 days total.

If for some reason we get a Tuesday Spawn, or a server reset, we can make it a server raid where everyone can go to it.

I need the objections, agreements, or any new ideas of you guys. This schedule is made to suit all of us, so your input into this will be much appreciated.

So far no one really has stated their opinion of either one, and it would be helpful if everyone gave some input.

And also, can we get confirmation that SG+VK are still going this saturday? I haven't heard from them in a while.

I prefer A, Meek.
We still need to see if those additional guilds could kill Helga or not.
Then after they all prove it, we can change to option B, 2 weeks schedule.

Anyway question : What are we going to do with this week's schedule?
Still same or 1 week full of server raids?
Because we have no clue how long maintenance will be.

Anyway good luck, Meek.

[IroguroMeek]

option B sounds like it will work better from my view, but im a little lost on how exactly it will work. would you mind placing an example of how it would play out?

Well I was thinking of something like this:

Wednesday- HVG
Thursday- Milky
Friday- MA
Saturday- SS (mini-server raid held by JJ)
Sunday- IC
Monday- Collision?
Tuesday- No Helga Spawn

Wednesday- BIIR
Thursday- Loveless
Friday- Black Angels
Saturday- SS (mini-server raid held by JJ)
Sunday- Free Day (Will be a server raid for everyone if No guilds wish to sign up)
Monday- Free Day (Will be a server raid for everyone if No guilds wish to sign up)
Tuesday- No Helga Spawn

Then the Cycle would Repeat. This would definitely give guilds more flexibility with the days they want. Like, for example, if Collision doesnt like Monday, they can choose to take another open day on the following week. The kill time would also be changed to atleast 3 hours, becuz there wont be a Tuesday Spawn, so guilds can have a bit more time. The down side of this is that, main guilds will only be getting 1 Helga per 2 weeks instead of 1 helga every week. JJ gets a Helga once a week because everyone, besides guilds already on the list, is welcome to go to his raids and can keep the drops if they pick it up. Atleast that is what I believe it to be, correct me if I am wrong.

owh yea if SG+VK did not reply any confirmation on this saturday raid can BA get the date?

I personally would be okay with that, I thought you were in SG haha. And if anyone sees a SG or VK admin/leader lurking around on the forums can you guys direct them to this forum to give us a confirmation?

I prefer A, Meek.
We still need to see if those additional guilds could kill Helga or not.
Then after they all prove it, we can change to option B, 2 weeks schedule.

Anyway question : What are we going to do with this week's schedule?
Still same or 1 week full of server raids?
Because we have no clue how long maintenance will be.

Anyway good luck, Meek.

Yeah I agree, but as of now, I don't beleive we will be having tuesday spawns because of time shortages. So it would be difficult to manage with just 2 open days for 9 guilds in total and more that want a chance too.

As for the schedule this week, let's stick with what we have up for now, I want a bit more input before we decide to make any changes. I definitely want to get BA and JJ's raids into the schedule asap, and we still need to compensate Collision for thier lost Helga today. So I'm honestly leaning forward to the two-week schedule. Opinions?

[Iffrit]

Ohh okay then, plan B sounds better if that so.
Anyway when will this 2 weeks schedule start?
Next week?

I am going to college soon, so prolly wont be able to reply anymore.
Good luck Meek and Teva.

[jannij777]

Well I was thinking of something like this:

Wednesday- HVG
Thursday- Milky
Friday- MA
Saturday- SS (mini-server raid held by JJ)
Sunday- IC
Monday- Collision?
Tuesday- No Helga Spawn

Wednesday- BIIR
Thursday- Loveless
Friday- Black Angels
Saturday- SS (mini-server raid held by JJ)
Sunday- Free Day (Will be a server raid for everyone if No guilds wish to sign up)
Monday- Free Day (Will be a server raid for everyone if No guilds wish to sign up)
Tuesday- No Helga Spawn

Then the Cycle would Repeat. This would definitely give guilds more flexibility with the days they want. Like, for example, if Collision doesnt like Monday, they can choose to take another open day on the following week. The kill time would also be changed to atleast 3 hours, becuz there wont be a Tuesday Spawn, so guilds can have a bit more time. The down side of this is that, main guilds will only be getting 1 Helga per 2 weeks instead of 1 helga every week. JJ gets a Helga once a week because everyone, besides guilds already on the list, is welcome to go to his raids and can keep the drops if they pick it up. Atleast that is what I believe it to be, correct me if I am wrong.



I personally would be okay with that, I thought you were in SG haha. And if anyone sees a SG or VK admin/leader lurking around on the forums can you guys direct them to this forum to give us a confirmation?



Yeah I agree, but as of now, I don't beleive we will be having tuesday spawns because of time shortages. So it would be difficult to manage with just 2 open days for 9 guilds in total and more that want a chance too.

As for the schedule this week, let's stick with what we have up for now, I want a bit more input before we decide to make any changes. I definitely want to get BA and JJ's raids into the schedule asap, and we still need to compensate Collision for thier lost Helga today. So I'm honestly leaning forward to the two-week schedule. Opinions?


nice done ,i like it

[IroguroMeek]

Okay so umm so far no one has really rejected the 2 week schedule hahaha, more feedback would be much appreciated! Going to bed, Goodnight guys. Happy Cap Raise!

[purpleronnie]

Option B sound better...more flexible and less whining
about VK_SG i didnt see em much either...either Midori (SG GM) or KenshinGi (VK GM)
prolly cause i've been in KKP all day long

BA will take that Saturday open slot if VK+SG didnt confirm on their raid on Saturday.

[Andromeda]

Helgas Tomb has been closed while they work out a rebalance so there wont be any more raids now.

[Blaxcalibur]

looks like helgas closed now, so u and neon can take a break xDDD

[krazykris_2000]

Apparently we don't have to worry about this for awhile >.>

Helga gate closed until further notice (reviewing balance)



edit: apparently all 3 of us posted at the same time >.<

[Andromeda]

Apparently we don't have to worry about this for awhile >.>

Helga gate closed until further notice (reviewing balance)



edit: apparently all 3 of us posted at the same time >.<



yay I win now where is my cookie xD

[Sesshomaru]

Anything we could do about having spectators that already have a scheduled day leave if we don't want them there on a guild raid, kinda like making the raids invite only lol. >.>

Assuming the raids continue.

[GoldenWidow]

No more elitist monoplization.

My heart bleeds.

On a serious note, I hope to God they power Helga up. A massive elite chief monster shouldn't be killed by 5 people. That's just my opinion.

*leaves before the Flames set in*

[mage250]

"Helga gate closed until further notice (reviewing balance)"

LUL? o.o

[Fre_ak]

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot

[Roseanna]

I hope to God they power Helga up. A massive elite chief monster shouldn't be killed by 5 people. That's just my opinion
My opinion turns that around a lil. Cash shop benefits shouldn't allow 5 people to kill a massive elite chief monster. :)

[GoldenWidow]

It's the same thing.

The cash shop was obviously added, knowing it would imbalance the hell out of the game. Mob bosses should be empowered accordingly. Personally, I'm glad they closed HT. If they nerf, or even remove the Helga weapons. I'd be even happier.

[Roseanna]

It's the same thing.

The cash shop was obviously added, knowing it would imbalance the hell out of the game. Mob bosses should be empowered accordingly. Personally, I'm glad they closed HT. If they nerf, or even remove the Helga weapons. I'd be even happier.
Haha, it's the same thing from your opinion, not from mine. Anyway, tis off topic, so I'm gonna hush. I'll just be happy when the gate's re-opened, I want my wand lol.

[GoldenWidow]

This of course realizing;

Without massive abuse of the Cash Shop, no one. On any server, would have any Hellgait weapon, PERIOD. Until well after this cap raise, new skills and potentially new job paths.

Cute.

But yes, off topic.

[pokemon4955]

Yay helga tomb got closed. LMFAO xD

[Hakai_Miko]

LOL!!!~
whoa, hhahahah!
OS pwned us and our 'flawless' schedule
damn :P

[IroguroMeek]

@_@ well, I totally did not see that coming.

Well there goes the schedule hahaha xD, I just want to thank everyone who has cooperated with the schedule up to this point. This could not have been possible without you guys. It is a shame that ToH is closed.

[mage250]

some1's gonna have to bump this thread tho right D:?

[KiSsGod]

They closed Helga TomB? LMFAO NO WAY HAHAHHA!

[bithun86]

Zomg but they didnt remove the helgait weaps >.<

[Andromeda]

Zomg but they didnt remove the helgait weaps >.<

They heavily got nerfed though so people who already have them ready to use are going to find out they are going to get a huge shock.

Did anyone check to see if the Lv 95 BK weapons are now stronger than the Hellgait weapons?

[xIOhenryOIx]

Awesome no more drama :d

[jliciousness]

bwhahahahahahhahahahahaha

[neonlovesyou]

Lol, I knew this was gonna happen, when GM whatsherface said weps weren't gonna be nerfed lawl at who believed that xD gm's aren't nice to just say the things that are or are not gonna happen >.> XD

[TheRealSasukeUchiha]

http://i403.photobucket.com/albums/pp116/TheRealSasukeUchiha/screenshot009.jpg


;o

[DemonBlitzKragor]

I have a gut feeling, real, just failed xD

[Andromeda]

I have a gut feeling, real, just failed xD

I smell a Knight a Lv 105 Knight coming May