Stop The Character Wipes! End It Now!

[DragonMan949]

I`m annoyed enough of people wanting character wipes. Make threads against the wipe for once! There shouldn`t be character wipes, players work way too hard for this to happen to them. We shouldn`t get wiped because the jealous newcomers said so (although some of them aren`t jealous). I say no character wipes, period.

Edit Part:
NO CHARACTER WIPES VOTE AGAINST THEM!

Hehe...

[lplove]

I voted №(Number)3 just because I want to see Haruka, Shiki, Step, Baka, Jello and the others of the same group weep like little girls for wasting 4 weeks of their lives in vain.

Despite myself being a level 45 Archer. I'm going to enjoy this.


P.S. Why is it a public poll?

[DragonMan949]

I voted №3 just because I want to see Haruka, Shiki, Step, Baka, Jello and the others of the same group weep like little girls for wasting 4 weeks of their lives in vain.

Despite myself being a level 45 Archer. I'm going to enjoy this.


P.S. Why is it a public poll?

I`m not sure why it is a public poll...
Btw whats with the "o" in ur "no"? It`s smaller and undnerlined...

[zemmimaz]

speak french follow me

[jmoua9]

I voted №3 just because I want to see Haruka, Shiki, Step, Baka, Jello and the others of the same group weep like little girls for wasting 4 weeks of their lives in vain.

Despite myself being a level 45 Archer. I'm going to enjoy this.


P.S. Why is it a public poll?

uh...wouldn't saying no be in our favor?

but to be honest, if it wipes or not, i dont really care...if it wipes i'll just work my way up the lvl again...

but if there isn't a wipe, then thats good news and i'll be felon right off the back ;P

i'll vote no though XD

but then again, i expect a wipe, it is closed beta after all...

[lplove]

I`m not sure why it is a public poll...
Btw whats with the "o" in ur "no"? It`s smaller and undnerlined...

You need a certain Unicode for it to display.

[DragonMan949]

You need a certain Unicode for it to display.

Oooooh, thanks. I thought u used ALT and Numbers
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[ThreeDeadRats]

It's silly to say that there shouldn't be a wipe because people spend so much time building up their characters. The reason why games have character wipes after Closed Beta is because people are just allowed to play in order to find the bugs and exploits and to make sure game play is smooth. This is easiest to achieve by having the player base test it for them, so that the techs can spend their time fixing them. That's how it's always been and always will be.

[Draconiansaint]

i agree completely. there shouldnt be wipes.its shear evil, we work so hard to get to where we are that it would be cruel to delete all of our hard work.

[DragonMan949]

It's silly to say that there shouldn't be a wipe because people spend so much time building up their characters. The reason why games have character wipes after Closed Beta is because people are just allowed to play in order to find the bugs and exploits and to make sure game play is smooth. This is easiest to achieve by having the player base test it for them, so that the techs can spend their time fixing them. That's how it's always been and always will be.

Yeah thats the main reason to have CBT, to find and destroy bugs, glitches, and to fix problems like typos and log-in errors. But there shouldnt be a wipe, CBT, OBT, or whatever. Wipes are unneccessary, and are enemies of high lvled CBT players.

[Theery]

I understand about not wanting wipes.
It would suck to have to work so hard for something and for it to disappear.

I have yet to play, but I wouldn't want people who have been playing from the start to loose their characters. They should get to keep them because they have been here form the start.

So BOO To character wipes!

When I start playing I'll need someone to look up to ;-;

[dylanangel]

I agree there should not be a wipe and I don't want one but if there is I guess I just have to work back up to the level I am at. It will suck to lose all the items I got

[AzraelT_T]

Character wipes are a common practice of games that are in beta testing. You just have to get used to it. You should have been aware that you might not be able to keep everything forever while the game is in testing.

[hizoka09]

i don't care if theres a wipe but you seem to be forgetting something it is closed beta every game i played during closed beta has a wipe. wipe is necessary for them to refresh their servers and be fair to those who didn't get the invites. you can always start fresh and work your level furthermore there is an event for "the who is the higher level thing" so it can compensate for those characters who achieve highest level in game. i even have a level 6x character and if theres a wipe, i can work it all out when open beta comes... so posting such thread is not necessary since players who played will say "dont wipe" and those who are starters will say "wipe wipe"... in short if theres a wipe then fine you still have the advantage since you played it first and know all the basics in-game and if theres no wipe then have fun changing to second job(as like what baka ne says)^_^

[Xanthros]

I`m annoyed enough of people wanting character wipes. Make threads against the wipe for once! There shouldn`t be character wipes, players work way too hard for this to happen to them. We shouldn`t get wiped because the jealous newcomers said so (although some of them aren`t jealous). I say no character wipes, period.

I don't play SoS, but I do have a few thoughts on this. If you were lucky enough to play in closed beta.. you should be happy that you were selected and deal with whatever they choose to do. With most games after a closed beta (or 2, 3...) they will wipe to eliminate the over-specs equipment and attempt to restore a balance.

Since SoS is in closed beta, I'd about bet they will wipe before they go to open beta.. or CB2. I would about bet that they're not jealous of someone on a game. If they are.. they have issues that a psychologist/psychiatrist needs to work with them on. They want a -fair- world, one that is equal footing for all, and that's not too much to ask considering it'd be going closed (current) to open, which would allow the new players to actually get their hands on it and play.

Can you agree with that, or do you feel that you earned whatever you got even if it's way above specs, was bugged, and/or you don't care what others think?

I saw the poll too, and I'm curious... What's the difference between:

No Way! I Don`t Want Anykind Of Wipe!

and

I Don`t Care, I Just Want To Keep My Account And Items. ... ???

If they want to keep their account and items, they don't want any kind of wipe, true?


Curious X-

[AzraelT_T]

The main two factors in this to reason a character wipe:

1. It is unfair to players in which did not receive an invite.

2. If they were to start a second phase of CB, they would want all levels and tiers of the game to be bug tested. Not just the high level tiers, in which most beta testers would reach by then.

It is only the selfish players that do not think of others that wish for character wipes to be gone.

[Dimnerial]

Obviously people that make posts like these don't know that wipes are NECESSARY to ensure that people that were in Closed Beta don't have too much of an upper hand (IE: Selling equipment for outrageous prices and other things like that, it prevents a failing economy) and it also provides a failsafe way to make sure that all bugs / glitches were removed from the last phase of beta testing.

I've beta tested dozens upon dozens of games and yes it can be a real pain to spend a couple weeks leveling your character to insane heights (level 50+ and things like that) but it just shows that maybe you need to take a break and not level so much, go outside, do something else have a life. I understand that you want to help those at Outspark / GM staff with bugs, but speeding through the game won't help catch all the bugs / glitches that you might encounter and it won't really provide them with all the information that they could've had.

Just remember, everyone feels like this once in a while. Hell I felt like this the first couple games I've beta tested but once you sit down and realize the big picture, you'll see that things like this are needed.

[highvoltage]

I, am too, against character wipes. I agree that it may be necessary, but it would be much, much better if Outspark was able to find an alternative for this (I wouldn't know if this was possible). Many of the high level players will be upset because of the character wipes and, as a result, SoS will lose a great amount of players.

But since this is not practical, I'm expecting a character wipe anyway.

[Dimnerial]

I, am too, against character wipes. I agree that it may be necessary, but it would be much, much better if Outspark was able to find an alternative for this (I wouldn't know if this was possible). Many of the high level players will be upset because of the character wipes and, as a result, SoS will lose a great amount of players.

But since this is not practical, I'm expecting a character wipe anyway.

Exactly it's not practical, I'm not bashing you here but wipes aren't done to put down the High level players. It's to ensure that all the glitches / bugs are gone and that everyone has a fair chance at the game instead of those "high level" players getting the upper hand by selling things for inflated prices.

Even if those players decide that it's "Unfair, stupid, pointless" and leave, Outspark will still be able to grab the player base back that they had during the Closed beta and then some. It's not like just because these players leave the games going to die, it'll grow and wipes show who can handle a game making changes for the better and who can't.

[jmoua9]

i don't care if theres a wipe but you seem to be forgetting something it is closed beta every game i played during closed beta has a wipe. wipe is necessary for them to refresh their servers and be fair to those who didn't get the invites. you can always start fresh and work your level furthermore there is an event for "the who is the higher level thing" so it can compensate for those characters who achieve highest level in game. i even have a level 6x character and if theres a wipe, i can work it all out when open beta comes... so posting such thread is not necessary since players who played will say "dont wipe" and those who are starters will say "wipe wipe"... in short if theres a wipe then fine you still have the advantage since you played it first and know all the basics in-game and if theres no wipe then have fun changing to second job(as like what baka ne says)^_^

D: tis haru...not baka XD

[lplove]

D: tis haru...not baka XD

You're both the same, no one cares. Only she's Asian and knows Japanese unlike you..shishi-san *wink*.

[jmoua9]

You're both the same, no one cares. Only she's Asian and knows Japanese unlike you..shishi-san *wink*.

i know no one cares(well...except me XD) but eh, im making an effort XD... im asian...and i im a noob at japanese, i can understand only the simple things

oh and isn't shishi like...a lion or something?

[lplove]

i know no one cares(well...except me XD) but eh, im making an effort XD... im asian...and i im a noob at japanese, i can understand only the simple things

oh and isn't shishi like...a lion or something?

That's what you mistook for 7 when you tried to count to ten once with a friend of yours.

[jmoua9]

That's what you mistook for 7 when you tried to count to ten once with a friend of yours.

lol i remember that...i had an emo moment then (i had one of those "everybody **** me off days"), and baka tried to cheer me up...i just typed w/e she typed XD

[Jeremy23000]

The reason I think there should be a wipe is that the idea of a CBT is to test the game. It's a free chance to attempt to hack, find bugs and abuse different things. If the game was in an official release people who do that get banned but in a CBT it's encouraged so that the programmers can then go and fix the issues so players cannot do this in the official release. Now, since you are basically encourage to find bugs and abusable things in the game which require fixing (some games, like 2Moons, encouraged hackers to more or less attempt to crash the server, or do whatever damage they could during CB and report how they did it to the Acclaim team). Since you're given the ability to do that with praise as opposed to punishment the chances that characters have been leveled not so legitly and items acquired the same way, are the reason a wipe is necessary.

Although, from what I'm seeing on the forums most people are more concerned about their characters level than if there are bugs in the mob AI, a way to dupe items, an easy way to cause harm to the server, a simple hack that can be used to bot and so on. Which is why they should inform CB Testers in the beginning whether a wipe will occur or not (since I'm almost positive no official announcement has been made as of yet) which does cause a number of confusions around the end of the test phase.

Personally, these types of threads are ALWAYS made at the end of a CB and even though people threaten to leave and fight and argue about a character wipe, once the game is released (after the wipe) the majority of testers don't even complain about it and continue playing. The small amount who do quit, really aren't missed all that much either since when the game is released you have thousands of new people running around to make friends with that 1 or 2 people are quickly forgotten. Typically, a CB test has a small number of players (hopefully that since there are so many people in this CB is due to them stress testing and not just looking to play around) and the amount of people to join afterwards is exponentially larger. Thus, those wanting to start on a clean slate (who possibly aren't forum whores like myself waiting for the OB, but just check every now and again for an official date of release) probably are much more in number than those who want to keep their characters (whether or not they leveled legitly and bug free).

That's just my opinion. I presonally think it's unfair that the Admins have not told players whether or not they will wipe, but I do think a wipe is necessary.

[sasuke8]

althought i prefer there not to be a wipe, a wipe gives new players a chance to compete with all the old players...

think about it...

say most of us are lvl 30 + when they start at lvl 1... its not exactly fair is it?

no wipe in open beta is normal, but in closed i doubt it will happen.

[Shame]

I wouldn't mind if there was a wipe. It'd be cool if we got some sort of CBT item (That doesn't give us an unfair advantage in PvP) to wear, but that's about it. CBT is for bugs, glitches, etc. It's cool how far people are getting, but that's for them to worry about.

[ZtarlyKnightz]

Though I know a wipe will 99.99% chance happen, I want to express my thoughts on it.

The reason I know it'll happen:

There are so many clues to it. Like when I took they survey earlier to be entered into the raffle, there was something that caught my eye (in text version):

Should exprience rates be changed? Increase () | Leave it alone () | Decrease ()

That's pretty much shouting out that there will be a wipe, but regardless, I will state my reasons why I don't think it should happen:

1. I could help new people train, buy items, and such. (And I like to drop items in the Square sometimes, knowing people could use those.)
2. I worked very hard on my character (and very hard on getting my pet yesterday).
3. I don't want anyone taking my character name of "Ztarz" and impersonating me, or they thought it was a cool name, or any other reason. (Yes, I'm paranoid.) (When they wipe does happen, I suggest that our characters just become level 1 Xenians again, and all of our character's looks, name, etc. stays the same. Also, a somewhat wacky idea, when gotten to a high enough level, I think we should be able to reclaim our pet or other items such as that.)
4. Isn't it boring to see a million Xenians running around in the Square? XD
5. Events such as finding someone might have to be posponed for a little while because it would be hard(er) to get to the person in a high level place and only 1% of the people would be able to get to there in the first few days of Open Beta.
5a. Spawn City. Monsters dropping Xen Stones and Yellow Watermelons. Not many people could buy those for 300k-600k, yet alone, need them right away. :/

So, I really can't vote, knowing the wipe will happen even though I don't want it. :/

[NsMadfrog]

i dont see the point of character wipe because this is not like is a highly serious competative game. what if other player's lvl are higher than yours??? so what??? why do we all have to start at lvl 1 so we can be fair?? is not like whoever gets to 100 lvl first win something...is continuous...

[gravitycross]

i dont see the point of character wipe because this is not like is a highly serious competative game. what if other player's lvl are higher than yours??? so what??? why do we all have to start at lvl 1 so we can be fair?? is not like whoever gets to 100 lvl first win something...is continuous...

Well uh.... sry to break it to ya but.... THERE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE!!!!!!
*clears throat* it would be unfair to the new players if they didnt have a char wipe. Thats why in almost every game theres more then a handful of people generally around the same level. Think about it, if you just came to this game and your around level 20 or so and everyone else is either lvl 10 or 80 who would help you??? you would just get bored or fed up and leave. Any way 9 times outta 10 there will allways be a char wipe so stop putting these posts, it does nothing to change the gm's minds.

[Alezio]

a wipe is the most fair thing to do
and the most correct also .

[gravitycross]

Wow nice sig, havent seen that FF char in a while (PS FF9 = second best ff out there^^)

[Gauro]

a wipe is the most fair thing to do
and the most correct also .

no youre wrong if you get to lvl 100 and get charackter wipe you will kill your self
you maybe thinkin '' oh its so nice lvling to gether'' but it will be like hell it will be lagg on towns no monsters to kill n00bs screaming : G1v3 ma 1337 m4n3y

[Winters]

I don't think there should be a wipe.

I have never seen what a Warlord looks like, but if I did, I bet it would encourage me. And if their are higher level characters on it will give the lower level characters something to strive for. Also, you see how populated the game is in the very first town in Closed Beta?! When the game is wiped and goes into Gold the lag will be enormous if everyone starts in the exact same area.

Also, "no youre wrong if you get to lvl 100 and get charackter wipe you will kill your self"
I doubt anyone is stupid enough to kill themselves over pixels getting a level.

But yeah, I am against a character wipe, this is not even a really competitive game to begin with, just fun and cute'sy. =)

[Gauro]

I don't think there should be a wipe.

I have never seen what a Warlord looks like, but if I did, I bet it would encourage me. And if their are higher level characters on it will give the lower level characters something to strive for. Also, you see how populated the game is in the very first town in Closed Beta?! When the game is wiped and goes into Gold the lag will be enormous if everyone starts in the exact same area.

Also, "no youre wrong if you get to lvl 100 and get charackter wipe you will kill your self"
I doubt anyone is stupid enough to kill themselves over pixels getting a level.

But yeah, I am against a character wipe, this is not even a really competitive game to begin with, just fun and cute'sy. =)

i was joking on the kill your self but that is waht i mean with the towns and lagg if you play fiesta its populated and if it charackter whipe now say good bay to fiesta

[Hiraku]

Well, maybe they'll award the hardest-working players (like at a certain level..) the extra consideration, and wipe out everyone else under that certain level. It'd be somewhat fair, because those people spent tons of time working on it. Wiping that out would be wiping out that much hours of their life. Everyone else who didn't work as hard would have to start over again, and I don't think that's unfair.

[Deviling]

isnt it over yet? wipe or not wipe..let the GMs decide it. calm guys~ i have lvl 46+ in 2 weeks ago if u guys not sure just stop lvling and chill out in town.

[Dakantos]

I'm just starting my char and I don't want a wipe. I mean people ave played a long time to get where they are, and having EVERY single person start back at 1? that's gonna lose a lot of players, as well as lag the beginning areas. It would be incredibly hard to lvl as most of the spawns would no doubt be well covered with hoards of "newbs"

[NsMadfrog]

Well uh.... sry to break it to ya but.... THERE TRYING TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE!!!!!!
*clears throat* it would be unfair to the new players if they didnt have a char wipe. Thats why in almost every game theres more then a handful of people generally around the same level. Think about it, if you just came to this game and your around level 20 or so and everyone else is either lvl 10 or 80 who would help you??? you would just get bored or fed up and leave. Any way 9 times outta 10 there will allways be a char wipe so stop putting these posts, it does nothing to change the gm's minds.



lol so ur telling me that if there's not a wipe, everyone is gonna be like 20-80 lvls and people who just started wont get help? <clearing my throat> who told them to start when is open beta?

even though there will be a 9/10 wipe, we can still post, is call freedom of speech and this is a thread where we vote, we're not deciding if there's a wipe or not depending on this thread now are we?? so if u dont like these thread, dont post in them.

oh and one more thing, MMORPG is self-explanatory, if their so stupid and cant even figure out where is the CPU and monster are, go ask to guardian angel, she's there for a reason, sometimes u gotta do things urself, stop relying on others..

[NsMadfrog]

Well, maybe they'll award the hardest-working players (like at a certain level..) the extra consideration, and wipe out everyone else under that certain level. It'd be somewhat fair, because those people spent tons of time working on it. Wiping that out would be wiping out that much hours of their life. Everyone else who didn't work as hard would have to start over again, and I don't think that's unfair.

GMs wont favor over other characters...

[NsMadfrog]

a wipe is the most fair thing to do
and the most correct also .

that all u care, u never even thought about the after math?? huge lag in the middle, if u have a uber fast computer, the center would be filled and there wont be even a space for u to click and move.

"a wipe is the most fair thing to do and the most correct also." LMFAO.

[Deviling]

GMs wont favor over other characters...

true..let me clear this Even.. a free MMRPG is a business. they will get real money from the ingame items. there will be a shop in the game and website soon. for those of u who played Rappelz u will understand this...a wipe Maybe fair for them too...Check out the Pic below

[Ace35]

I really dont care, cause everyone gets reset, not just me.

[Saidra]

I don't really get why people get so worked up about it, because the game-makers aren't going to change something like this just because the beta testers complain. Anyway, maybe it's just me, but if I knew a character wipe was coming I wouldn't have put so much effort into building up a character that I would be that devastated that I lost it.

[Soktos]

The only way I would support wipes if it's a Beta trail, now if it isn't, the beginners should just shut up and lvl up like the rest of us.

[AzraelT_T]

Personally if I was a beta tester it wouldn't phase me one bit. The privilege of being a beta tester should coincide with your willingness to help out the further advancing of the game. I wouldn't go as far as saying that you shouldn't have fun, but right now they're trying to fix bugs and smooth out the game so that once it's released for the open public, it won't be a bug-fest.

As beta testers it should be your duty to try and help report any and all bugs you find, not play the game as if it were a normal game. So consider the characters you have now just testing characters, to scope out for any bugs that may occur. Stop putting yourself before the advancement of making a better game.

[Soktos]

Personally if I was a beta tester it wouldn't phase me one bit. The privilege of being a beta tester should coincide with your willingness to help out the further advancing of the game. I wouldn't go as far as saying that you shouldn't have fun, but right now they're trying to fix bugs and smooth out the game so that once it's released for the open public, it won't be a bug-fest.

As beta testers it should be your duty to try and help report any and all bugs you find, not play the game as if it were a normal game. So consider the characters you have now just testing characters, to scope out for any bugs that may occur. Stop putting yourself before the advancement of making a better game.


Listen to this guy, this is the motto of a beta tester and a gamer.

[gravitycross]

lol i think you r takin it a bit too seriously... but ok

[Wurlz]

They shouldnt wipe it

just change the Server name.
XP

[gravitycross]

wow lol that would be pretty funny if they did that

[Wurlz]

Lol Ya Really

[Soktos]

First off, why wipe in the first place, some people want it becasue the players who are already playing are too high and they want to start everyone at the same.

[Wurlz]

Okay this is what i personally think.

i wouldnt mind a Server Wipe.
it would make everyone equal again
and well even if i had a high level account i wouldnt care kuz i could just get it up again

[angelblades]

There is no reason to do a character wipe other than to make the lower level characters - open beta players - feel better, which personally I think is a ridiculous reason to delete all of our hard work.

Just because the only REAL reason there are closed beta tests is to find problems, doesn't mean that's the only thing that we're going to be doing,
not to mention that if none of us had leveled high enough to fight the hardest mobs right now, we wouldn't be able to really post accurate feedback on exp lvls compared to mob difficulty, which I know personally I find to be a problem and a lot of other higher lvls do too.

We're supposed to be posting feedback about every aspect of the game, including leveling and item/skill usage, which we wouldn't be able to if we weren't high enough level to test everything.


Oh, and did I already mention there's absolutely no reason to do a wipe other than to make it "fair" for open beta players, which is absolutely ridiculous?

Oh, and also, it's a lot easier for lower level characters to level by hunting with the higher level characters who can get them to harder maps... so that would actually be a benefit to new players.

[gravitycross]

omg... ok lemme repeat myself... again... search for the thread "why there should be a server wipe" and then you will understand why there should be one and why there is going to be one and most people will agree with the statements on the thread

[achellis23]

Hmmm i got a large reputation against character wipe out, after wasting mass hours ive spent getting my char to lvl 31 to the hour reading this rediculous issue

... surely no one out there could be as furious as i am, since its an eminent isue considering the fact that the game is at a stage of repairing flaws. I would like to know something before commiting my self in playing this awsome game.

when is it gonna be playable without character wipes? the precise date...

also im not entirely against character wipe since i dont want to play a game that is flawd with bugs, or mis spelling and unfinishd sentences etc..

to resolve such issue.. i thikn the GM should let us know, precisely when it is gona be playable without character wipes..
and for the people that spent weeks and hours in compeeting, beeing the best of the rest.. no nothing will be lost exept your eyes deteriorating from evry hours straint in building a leet characters, and yes loosing the character is like a dying hamster.. well nothing has been lost since you will know what to do and the knowledge in doing a beter job when it fully comes out.

think wise before u play..

[AzraelT_T]

Well, for one, a wipe needs to be done in order to have a clean slate for everyone. It's going to seem unfair to either the non-beta testers, or the beta testers. The thing is.. it would only seem unfair for the beta testers if it were wiped, since while they did lose their progress, they have a lot of experience in the game. It would be unfair for the new players, because they would start with a clean slate with level 1 characters, whilst the beta testers will have a huge jumpstart on things.

Either which way, the beta testers have a huge advantage over the non-beta testers. Like I've stated before, it is only selfishness that fuels the hatred towards character wipes, and it's an absurd thought that you would even begin to beta test with the knowing of a character wipe being inevitable.

It's a required part of the progress of a game. Every game out there has done it once, maybe even a few times, depending on the game. For you to expect otherwise just shows your lack of knowledge and makes me wonder why you should be beta testing in the first place if you don't like character wipes.

[NsMadfrog]

omg... ok lemme repeat myself... again... search for the thread "why there should be a server wipe" and then you will understand why there should be one and why there is going to be one and most people will agree with the statements on the thread

it seems like u really REALLY want a character wipe, i wonder why, maybe because u suck at the game and people are better than u and why are u keep telling us there's a wipe when ur not 100% sure..? u dont have to repeat urself anyone, we have the right to say w/e we want so stfu alrdy

[Odin_Chaos]

i really dont' care if there's a wipe or not, as long as we get something in recognition that we played during closed beta, a special custome or something would be nice. New players can't get it but the closed beta tester should get one because they worked hard to find bugs and such.

[DragonMan949]

There is no reason to do a character wipe other than to make the lower level characters - open beta players - feel better, which personally I think is a ridiculous reason to delete all of our hard work.

Just because the only REAL reason there are closed beta tests is to find problems, doesn't mean that's the only thing that we're going to be doing,
not to mention that if none of us had leveled high enough to fight the hardest mobs right now, we wouldn't be able to really post accurate feedback on exp lvls compared to mob difficulty, which I know personally I find to be a problem and a lot of other higher lvls do too.

We're supposed to be posting feedback about every aspect of the game, including leveling and item/skill usage, which we wouldn't be able to if we weren't high enough level to test everything.


Oh, and did I already mention there's absolutely no reason to do a wipe other than to make it "fair" for open beta players, which is absolutely ridiculous?

Oh, and also, it's a lot easier for lower level characters to level by hunting with the higher level characters who can get them to harder maps... so that would actually be a benefit to new players.

Shes exactly right. Heres wat im going to say...
NO CHARACTER WIPES! END IT NOW! NO MORE CHARACTER WIPES! END IT NOW!

[AzraelT_T]

it seems like u really REALLY want a character wipe, i wonder why, maybe because u suck at the game and people are better than u and why are u keep telling us there's a wipe when ur not 100% sure..? u dont have to repeat urself anyone, we have the right to say w/e we want so stfu alrdy

There's no need to be offensive about this. He wasn't trying to insult anyone, so you should be a little more kind about how you wish to display what you want to say. Yes, you can say just about anything you want, but at least say it in a respectable way.

In beta testing in MMORPGs, a character wipe is almost a guaranteed thing. Of course it's never 100% sure; weird things happen. But under a normal circumstance, their will be a wipe.

[DragonMan949]

There's no need to be offensive about this. He wasn't trying to insult anyone, so you should be a little more kind about how you wish to display what you want to say. Yes, you can say just about anything you want, but at least say it in a respectable way.

In beta testing in MMORPGs, a character wipe is almost a guaranteed thing. Of course it's never 100% sure; weird things happen. But under a normal circumstance, their will be a wipe.

No one wants to be offended, but seriously. No character wipes, its unnecessary, it stresses most of the players and causes them to quit. Plus u know whats going to happen, someone already said it, the town square is going to flood with noobs lvl 10 and under trying to find the guardian, and everything is just going to suck pretty much.

[AzraelT_T]

After the first week or so, I'm sure it'll die down. I've seen a lot of games that were like that. And they've succeeded to be pretty good games. If people really want to quit due to a character wipe that was inevitable in the first place, then they shouldn't have ever played in the first place.

[DragonMan949]

But still, most of us don`t want character wipes. Let`s end it here and now. No character wipes.

[Neocorey]

The point of a beta test is to "test" the game. Not to level and try to get good equipment/skills. Its to find bugs and other problems with the games. It's perfectly fine to wipe the characters, every Beta I've played has done it.

[DragonMan949]

Stop repeating the same thing XD
It`s getting really old and its not helping. Would you like to reach lvl 50 after months of hard work and see it all get wiped neocorey? Would you? I wouldnt, and many of the players wouldnt either, thats why there shouldnt be wipes. Hardwork just vanish into thin air, deleted forever. It`s not worth it then, the GMs can just test it themselves if they are just going to wipe the characters. Why need us? Do they want to see us dissappointed?

[Odin_Chaos]

i still think we should get a "closed beta tester" prize like a custome or something if there was a wipe cause i wanna be remember for that i played in the closed beta testing and helped the game out a bit XD

[DragonMan949]

i still think we should get a "closed beta tester" prize like a custome or something if there was a wipe cause i wanna be remember for that i played in the closed beta testing and helped the game out a bit XD

There should be a CBT item, like the Closed Beta Tester title in Fiesta. But still, there should never be a wipe. EVER

[Neocorey]

No I wouldn't care, it happens in Mythos, Warhammer, all the other MMO beta's which I've taken part in. It's just like quitting a game. Yeah I got to the max cap... but it's not always all about that.

[DragonMan949]

I still wouldnt want to lose my files to a character wipe.

Woo my 600th post XD

[Odin_Chaos]

XD i wish i got to lv 32 in 1 day, i didn't, it might take me another 2 or 3 days to reach 32 from 30 cause i got school and work =( so i really appreciate it if there's no wipe.

[Neocorey]

Grts, and I know it sucks, but it's fun to start over. Just think you're not the only one. Everyone else who was playing with you has to restart too. It's not like just you are getting shafted. I wouldn't worry about it too much. You know all the quests, and places to level that other people who might come in the open beta don't.

[Stick]

After the first week or so, I'm sure it'll die down. I've seen a lot of games that were like that. And they've succeeded to be pretty good games. If people really want to quit due to a character wipe that was inevitable in the first place, then they shouldn't have ever played in the first place.



Exaaaactly.

The funny thing is the guy making the biggest deal about this is 32. That takes one day, if even that.

[Odin_Chaos]

It's not fun to start over....it's boring as heck when you don't wanna start over.
it's only fun if you want to, it's not fun if you dont' want to
and i don't want to so i don't think it's gonna be fun for me to start over when i just wasted maybe the past 2-3 weeks of my life on something.

[Stick]

You guys have never played CBTs before? As a general rule, nearly every single one of them wipe characters after closed beta testing as OPEN BETA starts. >_>'

[DragonMan949]

You guys have never played CBTs before? As a general rule, nearly every single one of them wipe characters after closed beta testing as OPEN BETA starts. >_>'

Did they wipe characters in Fiesta?

[enjoyincubus]

yup, i think they did a wipe on fiesta

but when OB started they put "Closed Beta Tester" beside the name of the player

i wonder what will be in for SoS

[DragonMan949]

for SOS, no Wipe. Well there shouldnt be one.

[Stick]

There, in actuality, probably -should-, for a great deal many reasons

[DragonMan949]

I`m tired of arguing, let the GMs decide...

[Stick]

Well it goes something along the lines of this:


Reasons for -not- character wiping : 1 (A good majority of players don't want it)
Reasons -for- character wiping : Numerous.

Somewhat more stable open beta economy, ability to implement changes without having to worry about the current status of the players and differentiations that will effect them, situations where in-game items now may because premium items later ...

The list goes on and on with things I'm not sure about, I'm certain. All in all, the world will not end for anybody should there be a character wipe. So you wasted a week or two, but you can get back to where you were in half the time now.

[XDarkBladeX]

Well I'm against it but if there is a character wipe, I would like to keep my buddy list. Also economies can eventually stablize.

[Deviling]

God Damn It...stop talk about this

[DragonMan949]

God Damn It...stop talk about this

If u want ppl to stop talking about character wipes, close the topic. Oh wait! U cant, so theres nothing u can do about it XD unless ur a GM or SM (super mod)

[achellis23]

sooo.. somwher around nxt month is the character wipe??? .. i realy wana knw.. if anyone actualy consult the the GM as to when? or "if it will even comence?"... i realy dont wana waste my time on the game if such thing hapens.. X( ..

[DragonMan949]

sooo.. somwher around nxt month is the character wipe??? .. i realy wana knw.. if anyone actualy consult the the GM as to when? or "if it will even comence?"... i realy dont wana waste my time on the game if such thing hapens.. X( ..

Next month is probably OBT, but the character wipes may never happen, its up to the GMs first. If they want to do it, then its going to happen, nothings gonna change it. If they dont want to wipe and let us stay the high lvl players we are, then ok. Let`s wait and see, but I hope these votes help change their minds, and make them stop the character wipes.

[TeraFox]

NOOOOOOO pls dont wipe!!!!! i dont wanna start again from lvl 1:eek:

[Freidrich]

I think wipes add something special to the game's atmosphere. I think (and hope?) that people don't take the closed beta too seriously, money isn't too important, you can **** up your characters stats how much you want, because everything'll wipe after a while.

So, yeah, yes to wipes for me.

[opticsnake]

Folks, just remember that this is a beta. That means that the only reason you are supposed to be playing the game as it is right now is to find bugs, find exploits, suggest improvements and basically take this thing out for a test drive.
If you didn't understand that when you read the words "closed beta", I weep for you.

[ShadowSociety556]

No wipe because when the new comers come they need people with power to help them i try to help people as it is now and im only 28

[-Shade-]

I had a seperate thread for this, but since folks seem to be congregating here I'll ask it here...

For those of you that are not in favor of a wipe -> Did you realize exactly what a closed beta test period is for a game? And, if not, would you have played or invested your time differently if you had realized this before you started?

Very curious to find out...

-Shade-

[-Shade-]

How interesting that on this particular thread the majority of "no wipe" is only leading those in favor of a wipe by about 6.5%, especially when the "I don't care's" are thrown in the mix.

What a mixed bag we are... :-)

[Sylenze]

oO
A closed beta isn't made for some "special" people to train their characters before others can, it's to find bugs et cetera...
So don't even think of crying now..!

[Deviling]

If u want ppl to stop talking about character wipes, close the topic. Oh wait! U cant, so theres nothing u can do about it XD unless ur a GM or SM (super mod)

these people getting crazy about the wipe.. lol all characters wiped? people getting crazy?? wipe their time??? i would like to see this thread goes to 100 pages with all the **** load of useless ****s

[Rubik]

No character wipe, it's unneccessary, a good community has already been started, please don't break the fellowship.

[Jeremy23000]

The idea of a wipe after CB is not just to make everyone start at the same level. The game is not quite finished. CB is a chance to test a near complete product for bugs and glitches. The entire game isn't even released yet to you, maps aren't all out yet, neither are full classes, skills, quests and guilds haven't been implemented. Drop and exp rates aren't even final yet. When none of these things are out any change could change the playing experience greatly. Even builds could be greatly effected due to this.

The biggest thing that I have seen in game is the fact that you CAN reset your stats (to the ones you needed for a job change) after level 20. I persoanlly hope this is a Closed Beta feature only, since I find stat resets to ruin gameplay for PvP games (and I'm assuming SotS isn't going to be grind constantly with no Guild/PvP war to look forward to).

But, this said, I think a wipe is necessary since you are playing with an unfinished product and many things could be changed once OB comes around (that could affect the CB testers build negatively anyways requiring them to start over as it is)

[kintarro]

Wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe.

The community will survive, even after the wipe.
By the way, I don't mind we got the choice.

[DragonMan949]

Wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe, wipe.

The community will survive, even after the wipe.
By the way, I don't mind we got the choice.

No player can decide, the GMs decide if there is a wipe or not, this topic is trying to change their minds. That`s the goal of this topic, that`s why it still lives. We vote and discuss saying our opinions so we may try to get the GMs attention and try to change their minds, to make the wipe, or stop it.

[Soktos]

i really dont' care if there's a wipe or not, as long as we get something in recognition that we played during closed beta, a special custome or something would be nice. New players can't get it but the closed beta tester should get one because they worked hard to find bugs and such.

I agree with you.

[Freidrich]

Folks, just remember that this is a beta. That means that the only reason you are supposed to be playing the game as it is right now is to find bugs, find exploits, suggest improvements and basically take this thing out for a test drive.
If you didn't understand that when you read the words "closed beta", I weep for you.

I couldn't have said it better myself... I weep for you guys too. nolifers<33

[Monday]

I say yes to the wipe, period.

[DragonMan949]

I say no. Plus No is winning :D

[disturbedgd]

you cant stop character wipes in a closed beta its bound to happen lots of times

[schades]

Yea I'ma have to say #3. Yes to wipes!! Not because I myself dont want to keep all the uber-elite hax items i spend days to find and treausre like the one golden ring to rule them all XD XD XD. But it gives us a chance to rediscover the game it was meant to be and gives everyone the enjoy of starting the race to make the best charachter with the coolest items with of course, the best reputation. What better thrill is there to playing a game than starting fresh? Besides... disturbedgd is right. It's bound to happen lots of times just because it's part getting out bugs. :P

+rep me if you agree

... if you disagree lol um... +rep me XD

[NymphTada]

please...I`M CALLING OUT AND BEGGING THE GMs there to please stop the planning of character wipes...THANK YOU,,,

[Jeremy23000]

Even after joining CB I still am for the wipe (Got level 26 in 2 days with a lot of goofing around as well) I'm looking forward to doing it again with everyone else :D

[Saber144]

ur not suppose to get addicted to close beta games... thats why its best to just get bugs and stuff in a close beta

Close Beta Games will always do a P-Wipe!!!! =P
btw is there a game that doesnt besides those small RPG games???

[Jeremy23000]

I've yet to see a MMORPG not wipe after closed beta... But I guess there must be a couple that haven't (Although, since we haven't heard of any... it can't say much for the game lol). Although, it is quite common to see these threads. This is why I prefer people applying to be a closed beta tester and giving reasons why they should and also making it clear what they're getting into from the beginning. What their goals are, and what the outcome will be. That's just my opinion though. Most people when they hear of an Open Beta or a date for it assume it's their chance to start fresh in a semi bug free game (Since open beta is still a test phase nothing is perfect, but should be quite close to a finished product)

[schades]

speaking of which... when is open beta scheduled for?? Please add 6 mos to your answer to give acurate date XD

[slayernk]

well i dont agree with a wipe into OB for one single reason. All for it once the game is bug free and finilized. but atm there just isnt enough high lvl people to test out the jobs and zones. and even now the lvl 66 job change is broken some item hasnt been created yet. why put us back to square one and redo all of it when there will be plenty of OB who can catch any and all the bugs like we did. there are a few players who lvl insanly fast i just started recently and already a 37 magician. But when it comes down to it. Doing a wipe at this point wont accomplish anything. yea there's a few event where the higher lvls will do better (spawn event which still doesnt matter cuz there's enough monsters to go around and even high lvls help out as certain mobs argo and bring death with them) uncapped surviver events. yet again there is capped surviver events so all level range have a fair chance.

but like I mention once the game is complete and ready to leave the stage of beta i'm all for a wipe entering beta its expected but atm there is too many factors (esp with a lvl cap of 150+) that come into play with this game

[chern4ever]

i agree there should not be a wipe.
ever heard trickster online? the game is very nice and when i playing it is close beta.
even now, its open, the old users char are not wiped.
not everyone thinks it is easy to level because not everyone is same as some real addicted player sit infront the comp for 24/7 to train their character.
some people needs to work, study, not every player is school kids tat can stay at home to play online game.

[Arella]

There shouldn't be a wipe until the highest level content has been properly tested, unless they've majorly rehauled the beginning of the game and they want everyone to test that.

And when they do wipe - which they should do, all good games do! - they should allow people to keep their character names, and perhaps have a small note saying that they participated in beta.

[DragonMan949]

What happened to all the votes????

[Saidra]

Perhaps the poll ended itself? Although I don't know why it would do all that...

[DragonMan949]

if the poll ended, the votes would be there still ><