I propose a Helgait schedule -.O"

[spheris]

How many of you help with the raids?

How many of you actually have a helgait?

How many of you know people who never go to the raids but have a helgait?

How many of you know people who never go to the raids and have multiple helgaits?

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits?

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits, and wants more for themselves even though they dont have a character that can use said desired helgait?



I've helped in raids, I dont have a helgait.

I know of people who have never been to as little as one raid and have multiple helgaits.

I know of people who have up to five helgaits and want more for themselves even though they dont have a character that can use it.



All I want to know, is whats going on?

One guild, and we all know who it is, monopolizes helga. Either by hoarding, or trying to sell them for excessive ammounts, they deprive the rest of us on the server the chance to own a helgait of our own.


And so I propose to all of you, a Helga raid schedule. So that not just one guild and their friends can continue to dominate the server.

The three largest and most powerful guilds should be taking turns defeating helga.

I for one, refuse to offer my services in the raids untill such conditions are met to make certain that after the new cap everyone at, above, or approaching lv 91 get a chance to own a helgait.

And I encourage every other raider, SC user or not, to do the same.

[gigibunny]

Woohoo?? O.o I am first to answer sooo...here goes....

I have helped ... and I use the term 'help' lightly on my side as I am still in my 7x lvl but have done Helga Raids..

I also own 1 Hellgait weapon...

Do I know of someone owning a Hellgait but not going to raids..hmmm cannot think of anyone right off the top of my head...

Own multiple Hellgaits but don't go to raids...again I do not... not right off the top of my head ... sorry

As for the rest..well I have tried to make it abundantly clear that I do not know the answers..

Here are my answer of the 'one' guild uhm... "monopolizing" Helga... *sighs* I cannot answer negatively on that matter nor will I even attempt to do so. The fact of the matter is we can go round and round about the subject.

As for creation of a schedule, I am not going to go back and look thru the threads about Helga on our server but if memory serves me correctly, there was once (if not twice) a schedule proposed and I am sure not really followed.

I propose that you create such a schedule along with guild names and propose it to the 3 individual guilds.. I am presuming you have 3 in your mind.. so let's hear it. Do not by shy for clearly this is weighing on your mind.

You do not have to participate in Helga if you do not want to: I was invited and have enjoyed my few times there...dying to me in there is still part of the experience...sure sure no one likes dying and it is far better to defeat Helga without dying...

My point is simple: I have seen GW's over Hellgait Raids, I have seen where yes one guild 'seems' to get all the drops... but I have come to the conclusion that I REFUSE to let one guild or anyone from stopping me from enjoying the experience of Helga... no, you do not have to participate in Helga Raids if you do not want to... I am going to never force anyone to do so.

However, if you ever choose to join us, I wish you the best of luck ^^ I have had fun the several times I have done it :D However, 4AM times for me will make it almost unlikely from doing so when I have to work the next morning ^^ but who knows, maybe one time I will be able to participate again :D

Whatever your choice is, remember that this is still a game and when I leave my keyboard here to watch the new Punisher movie, the game will still move on ^^ and that I do like to sometimes take a break from it all :) which is what I am doing today...and I have to say: it feels great =D

Again, best of luck and hope you get some good answers :)

Always,

Gigee

[spheris]

Personally I think the AZUMII, Legendary, and Sp3ctral should take turns taking out helga.

As for the previous schedule, I was informed that one guild fowled that up, the monopolizing one. I, however, lack the patience to search through the forums to find out what really happened, I instead opt to take the general consensus.


One other thing I should have mentioned,

Killing helga is a collective effort, isn't it wrong to profit from that? I mean really, no one party can kill helga alone, they have to have assistance from how mant other people?

But still, you see the vendors charging who knows how much gold, for an item they couldn't have gotten on their own.

[Mewaki]

How many of you help with the raids?
I go to the raids if I can even if I don't have a party just to be backup.

How many of you actually have a helgait?
I have one.

How many of you know people who never go to the raids but have a helgait?
Not anyone that I know of.

How many of you know people who never go to the raids and have multiple helgaits?
Can't think of anyone who does.

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits?
Hmm I've only seen three people with multiple helgaits because they try to sell them in eld or uruga.

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits, and wants more for themselves even though they dont have a character that can use said desired helgait?
No one I know of.


Hmm as for guilds. Now a days I don't see one guild dominating in my opinion. I see it as equal and plus there are mixed guild parties. I'm not always in the same full party as my guild.

As for a schedule, goodluck xD

Edit:
PS: If something happened in the past 3 days I wasn't here. I was out of town and just came back.

[Saruin]

Woohoo?? O.o I am first to answer sooo...here goes....

I have helped ... and I use the term 'help' lightly on my side as I am still in my 7x lvl but have done Helga Raids..

I also own 1 Hellgait weapon...

Do I know of someone owning a Hellgait but not going to raids..hmmm cannot think of anyone right off the top of my head...

Own multiple Hellgaits but don't go to raids...again I do not... not right off the top of my head ... sorry

As for the rest..well I have tried to make it abundantly clear that I do not know the answers..

Here are my answer of the 'one' guild uhm... "monopolizing" Helga... *sighs* I cannot answer negatively on that matter nor will I even attempt to do so. The fact of the matter is we can go round and round about the subject.

As for creation of a schedule, I am not going to go back and look thru the threads about Helga on our server but if memory serves me correctly, there was once (if not twice) a schedule proposed and I am sure not really followed.

I propose that you create such a schedule along with guild names and propose it to the 3 individual guilds.. I am presuming you have 3 in your mind.. so let's hear it. Do not by shy for clearly this is weighing on your mind.

You do not have to participate in Helga if you do not want to: I was invited and have enjoyed my few times there...dying to me in there is still part of the experience...sure sure no one likes dying and it is far better to defeat Helga without dying...

My point is simple: I have seen GW's over Hellgait Raids, I have seen where yes one guild 'seems' to get all the drops... but I have come to the conclusion that I REFUSE to let one guild or anyone from stopping me from enjoying the experience of Helga... no, you do not have to participate in Helga Raids if you do not want to... I am going to never force anyone to do so.

However, if you ever choose to join us, I wish you the best of luck ^^ I have had fun the several times I have done it :D However, 4AM times for me will make it almost unlikely from doing so when I have to work the next morning ^^ but who knows, maybe one time I will be able to participate again :D

Whatever your choice is, remember that this is still a game and when I leave my keyboard here to watch the new Punisher movie, the game will still move on ^^ and that I do like to sometimes take a break from it all :) which is what I am doing today...and I have to say: it feels great =D

Again, best of luck and hope you get some good answers :)

Always,

Gigee

YOU have a HELGA weapon?!

I've wasted countless charms, extenders, scrolls etc in countless raids.
And I do not not help "lightly". I go all the way in the front, actually HELP GET HELGA, tank kallaps, etc.

Awesome, I cannot possibly explain my rage.

A schedule should be made.
NOT JUST FOR THE DAMN BIG GUILDS.

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

This isn't a ...schedule @.@

its more of a survey if you ask me >.>;

[Madcharo]

I propose a completely different solution. Make Helga an instace and turn Hellgaits non-tradable. Tada. Now everyone gets a chance to pwn Helga and get a Hellgait but it doesn't throw the economy down the toilet. :D

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

Toilet ftw D:

[Saruin]

This isn't a ...schedule @.@

its more of a survey if you ask me >.>;

He's proposing one, it's not meant to be a schedule.

[AhLook]

This will fail. and you know who will make sure it fails.

I propose a completely different solution. Make Helga an instace and turn Hellgaits non-tradable. Tada. Now everyone gets a chance to pwn Helga and get a Hellgait but it doesn't throw the economy down the toilet. :D
good idea, but it will never happen as long as outspark does not have the developer's rights. Even if they have it, its not so easy to code it. And even if there is a coder who can code it, well there is, implementing it will probably add in a load of bugs.

so conclusion being it will never happen.

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

He's proposing one, it's not meant to be a schedule.

oh o.e


D:

[gigibunny]

Personally I think the AZUMII, Legendary, and Sp3ctral should take turns taking out helga.

As for the previous schedule, I was informed that one guild fowled that up, the monopolizing one. I, however, lack the patience to search through the forums to find out what really happened, I instead opt to take the general consensus.


One other thing I should have mentioned,

Killing helga is a collective effort, isn't it wrong to profit from that? I mean really, no one party can kill helga alone, they have to have assistance from how mant other people?

But still, you see the vendors charging who knows how much gold, for an item they couldn't have gotten on their own.

Yes indeed killing Helga is a collective effort like you say...takes multiple people to do so.. it is truly a team effort all in all...I am in AZUMI and can metion my guildies to take a look at this thread and see what we can do/decide/discuss and what not...

How many of you help with the raids?
I go to the raids if I can even if I don't have a party just to be backup.

How many of you actually have a helgait?
I have one.

How many of you know people who never go to the raids but have a helgait?
Not anyone that I know of.

How many of you know people who never go to the raids and have multiple helgaits?
Can't think of anyone who does.

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits?
Hmm I've only seen three people with multiple helgaits because they try to sell them in eld or uruga.

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits, and wants more for themselves even though they dont have a character that can use said desired helgait?
No one I know of.


Hmm as for guilds. Now a days I don't see one guild dominating in my opinion. I see it as equal and plus there are mixed guild parties. I'm not always in the same full party as my guild.

As for a schedule, goodluck xD

Edit:
PS: If something happened in the past 3 days I wasn't here. I was out of town and just came back.

The three guilds you mentioned are all strong/good and what not in their own right; But however, let us not forget about all the other guilds as well! I am sure those guilds would like a fair chance as well: "insert that particular guild name here"

^^ you do understand where I am coming from though....

YOU have a HELGA weapon?!

I've wasted countless charms, extenders, scrolls etc in countless raids.
And I do not not help "lightly". I go all the way in the front, actually HELP GET HELGA, tank kallaps, etc.

Awesome, I cannot possibly explain my rage.

A schedule should be made.
NOT JUST FOR THE DAMN BIG GUILDS.

Yes I have a Hellgait weapon: a Hellgait bow that AZUMI gave me...

But I do agree on maybe, perhaps some sort of schedule being made... uhm and see what we all can agree on?



This isn't a ...schedule @.@

its more of a survey if you ask me >.>;

True...a matter of opinion to throw in the loop and see what we can come out with...

But first, let someone come forth with a "schedule" and what not...

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

o.e

I wish every time helga died, he/she drops

43250930580483208346854803585908058340583058358353 80538038580580-58580-58058305830-582382323905723490579508753

of weapons for everyone in the server ^-^

so everyone can have one ._.

[gigibunny]

o.e

I wish every time helga died, he/she drops

43250930580483208346854803585908058340583058358353 80538038580580-58580-58058305830-582382323905723490579508753

of weapons for everyone in the server ^-^

so everyone can have one ._.

Hmmm yes that would be nice there Dark ;D it would be great... but in Fiesta world/land...that is not so ._.

But let us see how this schedule turns out and what not...

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

sigh~

one day gigee :O

me and you are gonna pawn helga and give out HELLGAITS FOR FREE ;D

[gigibunny]

sigh~

one day gigee :O

me and you are gonna pawn helga and give out HELLGAITS FOR FREE ;D

^^ oh Dark... you and I think alike :D

:) and that sounds good to me *hugs*

[j0hnny_tsunami4116]

WOO! LOL

Great minds think alike (;

*hugs back* ;D

[ajwanted90]

well the thing about sharing this drop is very un-likey posible

1. guilds look out for each other, unless someone very nice and give them away i can name a couple of people

2. the huge grudge and rival guilds on epith

3. time differents

4. and trying make money off them

and for me i can careless for a hellgait wepond since i turned to unpvp after i cap (maybe help 1 or 2 times in a war because been ask nicely) but it be awsome just to have one also

Edit FTW
i dont have one~

[spookyiness]

i find it mildly ironic that this 'one monopolising guild' of which you speak actually has less helgaits than other guilds

i'm not in any of the big guilds, and i've given away countless helgaits, and yes, i have kept some for me, my friends and guilds. in fact, i've only every seen one guild deliberate say "i'm not joining your party, you're not in my guild", and it wasn't the one people say is the monopoliser.

are you saying i don't deserve to have the ones i have?
or that the people i personally deem worthy shouldn't have gotten one?

there are only a finite number of helgaits, and if one person gets gifted one, someone else didn't - but who are you to say that you deserve one more than someone else

if i spend 4 days farming for an end ring, and you spend 20 minutes and get one, do i get it? cause i've worked harder than you to get one?

if i spend 6 weeks farming GHS for a godly life set, and you walk in and get one on your first kill - do you give it to me?

helga is exactly the same - those that win get to decide what they do with their winnings, wether it's keep it, donate it, sell it, npc it, whatever they want to do with it.

this "one monopolosing guild" of which you speak keeps the ones they want, and gives the rest away - i'm the same, and to say i'm from a big guild requires a whole new defininion of 'big' - i'm rarely in a party of just one guild (not including my own), our party is quite often mixed, and it's rarely the same people 2 days in a row, giving more people a chance.

i do know of one guild, who never seems to be in the flaming wars, who hides under the radar, but actually genuinly hoards them to sell after the raise when the value will go up again, but noone ever questions that, because it's too important that A & L fight every day about nothing and everything

and people wonder why i don't want to join a 'big' guild, or even temporarily join just to help in wars - recently, a lot of the drama has disappeared out of the raids, they used to be hellish and nightmareish, and now, with this thread, it's all been dug up again, and all the stupid and childish poo that has disappeared will come back, and you "older" players will once again ruin a perfectly good game for those new players.

just get off your high horse and accept that things are as they are - you either win, or you don't - it's the same for mining, getting sap, getting boss drops and getting helga drops.

and if you think for one second i don't deserve any of my helgaits for me, i invite you to expplain exactly why that is - and then, you can talk the 15 people (yes fifteen) that i've given one to for no monetary or other reward into giving them back to me so thati have more than the 390 silver i currently have.

i'm sick and tired of being the nice one, the good one, the one that helps for no reward or thank you, the one who gives away valuable things to others, the one who has to be the voice and reason and calm everyone down only to end up having nothing to show for it. i've worked damn hard on my cleric, and my archer, and i've earned every single thing i've gotten. i don't sit and cry and throw my toys out the pram when things don't go my way, i just live with it, and either buck up and buy something from someone else, or just keep slogging on day after day after boring day trying to get the things i want for myself without complaining.

so, you either give me all the things you have, or shut up and just either take part in the raids, or don't - noone forces you to, noone tells you to buy charms etc - noone tells you it's the end of the world if you don't show up

i don't go to every single raid, but people expect me to - i get hundreds of whispers if i'm not there telling me it's on - apparently i'm the only person with a clock to even know when it is each day - and there are things i want for my own use, but when i don't get them, i don't cry about it - i carry on trying until it happens - or, i give up and move on to my next project

you need to get those damn sticks out your damn bottoms and learn to play properly - it's a GAME - a FANTASY roly playing game at that - it's not somewhere for you to come and make everyoen else that wants to play a living hell.

there could be 8000 bugs in this game, and it wouldn't matter, it's still a game - but it takes just one selfish moron to go around making everyone's gameplay a nightmare to make a perfect game with zero bugs an unhappy place to be

i've kept quiet on this subject for too long, and more and more people are in my ban list because of it

either raid, or don't - you will either win, or you won't - people will either ggive you things for free, or they won't

that's life - live with it - or quit the game and make 100 other players happy.

[nab753]

ok here is the deal and updates about helgait weapons.

1. The one guild u guys talking about thats always taking helgait weapons and too greedy too pass em out is no longer capable. AZUMI and Sp3ctral team up in every raid and tries to outnumber those people to get the hellgaits. We make sure they dont get any hellgaits ^^

2. Everyone joined Legendary to get hellgaits and after they get them they are leaving which means they aren't good enough to get anymore hellgaits anyway.

3. AZUMI an Sp3c team, unlike the other guild arent selfish -.- we share our hellgaits and trade them back and forth making sure everyone that shows up in every raids and tries their hardest deserves a hellgait. So if ur one of those people contact Addi or F0rtune and they will keep u in their list...cuz those 2 r the happiest/nicest nubs there is lols :P

4. I feel bad for the fact that only big 3 guilds get all the drops and small times guilds have virtually no chance of getting one. I think a solution for this is to make helga tomb same as Dragon tomb where only 1 big party can get in and do the raid separately from other parties and only party to get the drops. That way that party do not have to be people from top guilds but instead they can be strong people from all different guilds working together to kill helga and share the drops. So my solution to all this arguments isto Turn Helga Tomb just like Dragon Tomb and apply the same rules as DT.

[boo18white]

Woohoo?? O.o I am first to answer sooo...here goes....

I have helped ... and I use the term 'help' lightly on my side as I am still in my 7x lvl but have done Helga Raids..

I also own 1 Hellgait weapon...




Wow this is lame. Before I quit I was goin to raids almost everyday till I got fed up with wasting sc for about 15 mins of raid time. I own 0 Hellgaits!!

Anyone see something wrong with this picture? A 7x Archer that has been to fewer raids than I a lv89 Archer has a hellgait but yet I don't. Guess I'll hafta see if I get one when and IF I ever deside to come back to fiesta.

[nab753]

Wow this is lame. Before I quit I was goin to raids almost everyday till I got fed up with wasting sc for about 15 mins of raid time. I own 0 Hellgaits!!

Anyone see something wrong with this picture? A 7x Archer that has been to fewer raids than I a lv89 Archer has a hellgait but yet I don't. Guess I'll hafta see if I get one when and IF I ever deside to come back to fiesta.

ahum -.- Gigee have hellgait because shez a very loved member in azumi...and when we earn our hellgaits we share it with everyone in guild. She fights for AZUMI everyday and every1 loves her :) doesnt matter the fact shez 7x...its not strength that gets u hellgait...its ur personality/popularity and the guild ur in...in this case it was her nice caring personality =) so i suggest u leave her alone

[spheris]

live with it - or quit the game and make 100 other players happy.

or everyone who is sick of the monoply could just stop helping...

ok here is the deal and updates about helgait weapons.

1. The one guild u guys talking about thats always taking helgait weapons and too greedy too pass em out is no longer capable. AZUMI and Sp3ctral team up in every raid and tries to outnumber those people to get the hellgaits. We make sure they dont get any hellgaits ^^

2. Everyone joined Legendary to get hellgaits and after they get them they are leaving which means they aren't good enough to get anymore hellgaits anyway.

3. AZUMI an Sp3c team, unlike the other guild arent selfish -.- we share our hellgaits and trade them back and forth making sure everyone that shows up in every raids and tries their hardest deserves a hellgait. So if ur one of those people contact Addi or F0rtune and they will keep u in their list...cuz those 2 r the happiest/nicest nubs there is lols :P

4. I feel bad for the fact that only big 3 guilds get all the drops and small times guilds have virtually no chance of getting one. I think a solution for this is to make helga tomb same as Dragon tomb where only 1 big party can get in and do the raid separately from other parties and only party to get the drops. That way that party do not have to be people from top guilds but instead they can be strong people from all different guilds working together to kill helga and share the drops. So my solution to all this arguments isto Turn Helga Tomb just like Dragon Tomb and apply the same rules as DT.


Addressing no1.-woot go Sp3c and AZUMI :O

Addressing no.2-yes and no, I mean at one point someone tried bribing my brother and I to join with helgaits :P but we didn't.

Addressing no3.-again, go Sp3c and AZUMI :O

addressing no.4- unfortunatley I dont think outspark would do that, I mean the riads bring them how much money? >.<



__________________________________________________ ____________

And just so its very clear I'm not in Sp3ctral or AZUMI, I'm in one of the many small guilds :P

[gigibunny]

WOO! LOL

Great minds think alike (;

*hugs back* ;D

^^ you are right =D <3333 ya Dark *spins around Dark's spiney chair* wheee

well the thing about sharing this drop is very un-likey posible

1. guilds look out for each other, unless someone very nice and give them away i can name a couple of people

2. the huge grudge and rival guilds on epith

3. time differents

4. and trying make money off them

and for me i can careless for a hellgait wepond since i turned to unpvp after i cap (maybe help 1 or 2 times in a war because been ask nicely) but it be awsome just to have one also

Edit FTW
i dont have one~

Shawg <3333 very good answer and I agree with it :D

i find it mildly ironic that this 'one monopolising guild' of which you speak actually has less helgaits than other guilds

i'm not in any of the big guilds, and i've given away countless helgaits, and yes, i have kept some for me, my friends and guilds. in fact, i've only every seen one guild deliberate say "i'm not joining your party, you're not in my guild", and it wasn't the one people say is the monopoliser.

are you saying i don't deserve to have the ones i have?
or that the people i personally deem worthy shouldn't have gotten one?

there are only a finite number of helgaits, and if one person gets gifted one, someone else didn't - but who are you to say that you deserve one more than someone else

if i spend 4 days farming for an end ring, and you spend 20 minutes and get one, do i get it? cause i've worked harder than you to get one?

if i spend 6 weeks farming GHS for a godly life set, and you walk in and get one on your first kill - do you give it to me?

helga is exactly the same - those that win get to decide what they do with their winnings, wether it's keep it, donate it, sell it, npc it, whatever they want to do with it.

this "one monopolosing guild" of which you speak keeps the ones they want, and gives the rest away - i'm the same, and to say i'm from a big guild requires a whole new defininion of 'big' - i'm rarely in a party of just one guild (not including my own), our party is quite often mixed, and it's rarely the same people 2 days in a row, giving more people a chance.

i do know of one guild, who never seems to be in the flaming wars, who hides under the radar, but actually genuinly hoards them to sell after the raise when the value will go up again, but noone ever questions that, because it's too important that A & L fight every day about nothing and everything

and people wonder why i don't want to join a 'big' guild, or even temporarily join just to help in wars - recently, a lot of the drama has disappeared out of the raids, they used to be hellish and nightmareish, and now, with this thread, it's all been dug up again, and all the stupid and childish poo that has disappeared will come back, and you "older" players will once again ruin a perfectly good game for those new players.

just get off your high horse and accept that things are as they are - you either win, or you don't - it's the same for mining, getting sap, getting boss drops and getting helga drops.

and if you think for one second i don't deserve any of my helgaits for me, i invite you to expplain exactly why that is - and then, you can talk the 15 people (yes fifteen) that i've given one to for no monetary or other reward into giving them back to me so thati have more than the 390 silver i currently have.

i'm sick and tired of being the nice one, the good one, the one that helps for no reward or thank you, the one who gives away valuable things to others, the one who has to be the voice and reason and calm everyone down only to end up having nothing to show for it. i've worked damn hard on my cleric, and my archer, and i've earned every single thing i've gotten. i don't sit and cry and throw my toys out the pram when things don't go my way, i just live with it, and either buck up and buy something from someone else, or just keep slogging on day after day after boring day trying to get the things i want for myself without complaining.

so, you either give me all the things you have, or shut up and just either take part in the raids, or don't - noone forces you to, noone tells you to buy charms etc - noone tells you it's the end of the world if you don't show up

i don't go to every single raid, but people expect me to - i get hundreds of whispers if i'm not there telling me it's on - apparently i'm the only person with a clock to even know when it is each day - and there are things i want for my own use, but when i don't get them, i don't cry about it - i carry on trying until it happens - or, i give up and move on to my next project

you need to get those damn sticks out your damn bottoms and learn to play properly - it's a GAME - a FANTASY roly playing game at that - it's not somewhere for you to come and make everyoen else that wants to play a living hell.

there could be 8000 bugs in this game, and it wouldn't matter, it's still a game - but it takes just one selfish moron to go around making everyone's gameplay a nightmare to make a perfect game with zero bugs an unhappy place to be

i've kept quiet on this subject for too long, and more and more people are in my ban list because of it

either raid, or don't - you will either win, or you won't - people will either ggive you things for free, or they won't

that's life - live with it - or quit the game and make 100 other players happy.

Great post by Bobbi!!! Truely a great one.. I read it over and over...

I agree who is to say whether one deserves one of these weps over the others that have gotten it? I think this whole thing was over a schedule of some sorts and has turned into all the posts that have followed up on it...

Winners of Helgait weapons can do whatever they want with them and so they do...they can keep them or as I have put in bold font what Bobbi said.. still their choice...

ahum -.- Gigee have hellgait because shez a very loved member in azumi...and when we earn our hellgaits we share it with everyone in guild. She fights for AZUMI everyday and every1 loves her :) doesnt matter the fact shez 7x...its not strength that gets u hellgait...its ur personality/popularity and the guild ur in...in this case it was her nice caring personality =) so i suggest u leave her alone

I love AZUMI and no matter what, have fought for them, tried to fight by their side (lag often gets to me) and so on. But the point is, the guild chose to give the Hellgait to me and that is their choice =D

I am refusing to respond to posts attacking me for everyone has a right to their opinion and I respect that...however, I have received mine due to the above poster which is Nabbb <333

^^ but if I can help you guys, everyone knows I can and try my hardest to do so... :D even tonight, I could have easily worked on quests and what not, but instead happily helped my friends ^^ sure I am not a capped player but my work ethics is definitely there and I am not saying one person is above the other.. oh no! I am saying I work just as hard as others as well...

If someone can come up with a 'schedule', I am still interested in seeing this schedule and what others think about it...however; nothing should take away from those who acitvely participate and play the game and so on... that isn't really the point of this thread...it was to get answers/opinions and discuss a schedule for the Helga Raids....

[master_roxxor]

Ya, I'm not in a huge guild full of tons of powerful people, so I think it'd be a nice idea to get a group of good friends together to attack helga some until it's almost dead, then mages Nova + Chian Cast + Inferno + Inferno + Nova it and everyone else go all out on it to try and land the last shot. I really want a hellgait for when my characters hit lvl 91.

[gigibunny]

Ya, I'm not in a huge guild full of tons of powerful people, so I think it'd be a nice idea to get a group together to attack helga some until it's almost dead, then mages Nova + Chian Cast + Inferno + Inferno + Inferno it and everyone else go all out on it to try and land the last shot. I really want a hellgait for when my characters hit lvl 91.

I agree with your post... so let us all try to plan a schedule/groups and see where it goes??

^^

[grannysboy]

I have personally spoke with members of 2 of the 3 "capable" guilds. 1 conclusion was reached, the 3 guild would never go for it because it would almost ensure they would get nomore drops.
The sad fact of helgait drops is that not every lv 91 player will have 1, they just dont drop enough.
I too agree that its BS that that 1 particular guild has such a large horde of helgaits. I personally have been to 90% if these raids and spend alot of money at these raids. To date i have 1 helgait 2 hand sword, and have GIVEN away 4.
I personally am in favor of a schedule, but most of us know what happened last time this was tried. I sure the same thing will happen again.
Helga is the worst thing O.S. has ever done. Its created huge rifts in not only Epith but all servers.

[apokolypse]

Ive been to about 95% of the raids and i have squat and im not just hanging back either im in the front and im the one usually helping out clerics if they pull agro. honestly im tired of worrying about it cuz i figure i will get one eventually even i dont have one for lvl 91. but i do agree with the feelings of some people how they go all of the time and then the few who show up once or twice get a helgait. a schedule would be a decent idea because at least some kind of " balance" but the epith is a big ole ball of hate so for us to pull together make a schedule and actually follow it is completely and utterly out of the question.

[ajwanted90]

well cap is raising i doubth ppl will care for helga

still for ppl who dont gave hellgait wep go for it, i been in like 50% of the raid not all time because of school so i wish best of luck to rest of the people

best way to slove all this is to let someone make the darn time table

someone the server trust

someone the people pick

a poll something

let people of epith speak their mind

[gigibunny]

well cap is raising i doubth ppl will care for helga

still for ppl who dont gave hellgait wep go for it, i been is like 50% of the raid not all time because of school so i wish best of luck to rest of the people

best way to slove all this is to let someone make the darn time table

someone the server trust

someone the people pick

a poll something

let people of epith speak their mind

Fine...then let's throw out names..agree..make the table/schedule and so on ^^

[spheris]

Nice to see the threads active @.@

Question time :O

-How would taking turns with helga ensure that they would get hardly any drops?
(because frankly I dont see how taking turns killing him would alter the drop rate)

-Assuming a timetable was drawn up is anyone capable of convincing certain stubborn people to at least give it a try?

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And personally if no one has any objections I wouldn't mind devising a timetable, I'm not in any of the 3 big guilds so really I have nothing to gain from it :P

[nab753]

well i have my hellgait so i wont go to raid anymore and let others get their hellgait o.o even if i do get 1 i'll giv it away for sure...in my list most deserving guy to get hellgait is desuraifu...that poor guy comes every single raid 90% charm but still no hellgait xD and i know he workd hard for the money he spent...if i ever get a fighter hellgait its definately going to him

[grannysboy]

Im sorry to say that this thread is 100% worthless until the leaders of Sp3c, leg , and Azumii actually get together and and discuss this. I propose a 4 day rotation. One for each of these three guild and 1 "open" day where none of these the guilds go in, so all the other player have a chance too. I highly doubt a schedule will ever happen, but it definately wouldnt hurt to talk about it.

[nab753]

Im sorry to say that this thread is 100% worthless until the leaders of Sp3c, leg , and Azumii actually get together and and discuss this. I propose a 4 day rotation. One for each of these three guild and 1 "open" day where none of these the guilds go in, so all the other player have a chance too. I highly doubt a schedule will ever happen, but i definately wouldnt hurt to talk about it.

this wont work for 2 reasons

1. AZUMI/Sp3c will agree but not leg lol

2. even if Hero_Fame agreed his leg members wont care and show up and take hellgaits anyway lols

[spookyiness]

it won't work for many hundreds of reasons, the main one being that the people of epith wouldn't be happy even if everyone got one
if everyone that wanted one had one, there would still be arguments about stats
there would still be aruguments about gears
there would still be arguments about everything, because there always is

noone has any right to say so and so can't raid today, or only we can raid today, regardless of any unofficial 'rotation' idea (which has already been given a huge no by the GMs and CSRs in the past anyway)

where does it stop?

only certain guilds can farm blues at GHS on certain days?
only certain guilds can farm for rings in the mines on certain days?
only certain guilds can do the trees quest on certain days?

i ask again - if i farm in the mine for 2 weeks and get nothing, after paying for sc items such as kings touch and war rant, and you walk in one without having spent a penny, and get an end ring in 1 day - are you going to give it to me?
because surely i've earnt it more than you, surely

you start taking certain people out of the raids, and more people will suffer than will be happy - more helgaits are distributed outside of the 'three big guilds' - you start homing on this silly schedule idea, and they will all hoard because they are now that guild's win and noone elses

many parties are multi guild parties - even the 'winning' parties usually have 3 or 4 guilds in them, with few exceptions - you take that away, how is that fairer?

yes, some people raid a lot and get nothing - yes, some people raid once and get things

it's exactly the same with every other peice of armor or weapon in the game - live with it already and just get over it
either carry on doing it as you are, and maybe you'll get lucky - maybe someone else who got lucky who already has what was dropped will give you something - maybe not - thems are the breaks.

yes, i've been VERY lucky in the raids - i've got the things i wanted for me, i of course, want to get things for my family and my best friends, but i've also GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE to people who aren't in any of the guilds, including people of the 'big' guilds 14 different helgaits, and yes, i've sold one, trying to sell a second, i have no game money because i'm forced to buy all my armors as noone will ever step aside when i want to farm GHS or when i wanted ot farm Trumpy (imagine that, where's the schedules for those dungeons).

if i was 'banned' from all the raids, would those 14 people have gotten their helgaits?
is it not my choice who i give them to?
how do you know i don't have an actual list of people to give things to if/when i win more? how do you know you aren't on it (or at least, were on it until i saw how childish you really are) - and yes, that's a general open statement, not at a specific person.
how many more people can say they were so generous, to the point they are practically bankrupt in the game?

even people from those 'big' guilds who recieved FREE GIFTS from me from helgas tomb don't even have the time of day for me - don't even say hello to me anymore, except to say 'wanna party for the raid' or 'can yo uhelp me do this can you help me do that'

do i deserve to be treated the way i have been treated in game? should i still give away things knowing damn well that it's going to continue and people will still treat me like i'm a damn machine who is only there to help THEM and never to be helped.

there are probably4, maybe 5 people in this game i can actually rely on to help me with things when i want it, and i live with one of them - what does that tell you about the people of epith.

you can make all the agreements and schedules you like, but tomorrow, you'll just whine and complain and moan about something else, about how it's so unfair that the sky is blue, or that water is wet and you'll never be happy

all you are doing is ruining an excellent game for those of us that actually enjoy playing it and working for our rewards - if you hate things so much, just quit already

[michaelphi25]

lol spheris all u did was copy Meek and Neon's idea about a helga raid scedule in Teva...
at least give them some credit for it

[Saruin]

lol spheris all u did was copy Meek and Neon's idea about a helga raid scedule in Teva...
at least give them some credit for it

Don't be stupid. A Helga Raid Schedule isn't a far fetched idea, anyone could have thought of it.

Ive been to about 95% of the raids and i have squat and im not just hanging back either im in the front and im the one usually helping out clerics if they pull agro. honestly im tired of worrying about it cuz i figure i will get one eventually even i dont have one for lvl 91. but i do agree with the feelings of some people how they go all of the time and then the few who show up once or twice get a helgait. a schedule would be a decent idea because at least some kind of " balance" but the epith is a big ole ball of hate so for us to pull together make a schedule and actually follow it is completely and utterly out of the question.

Same here. I don't like wasting stacks of charms helping other people who would never think twice about helping me.

I didn't even mind that all the same guilds got the weapons at first. But someone having multiple weapons? And some people who hardly help having one? No thanks.

I'll just buy a hellgait. Who cares if they're overpriced, I'll end up saving sc by not going to raids.

I have personally spoke with members of 2 of the 3 "capable" guilds. 1 conclusion was reached, the 3 guild would never go for it because it would almost ensure they would get nomore drops.
The sad fact of helgait drops is that not every lv 91 player will have 1, they just dont drop enough.
I too agree that its BS that that 1 particular guild has such a large horde of helgaits. I personally have been to 90% if these raids and spend alot of money at these raids. To date i have 1 helgait 2 hand sword, and have GIVEN away 4.
I personally am in favor of a schedule, but most of us know what happened last time this was tried. I sure the same thing will happen again.
Helga is the worst thing O.S. has ever done. Its created huge rifts in not only Epith but all servers.

Indeed.
Greed is one part of human nature that never seems to change.

well cap is raising i doubth ppl will care for helga

still for ppl who dont gave hellgait wep go for it, i been is like 50% of the raid not all time because of school so i wish best of luck to rest of the people

best way to slove all this is to let someone make the darn time table

someone the server trust

someone the people pick

a poll something

let people of epith speak their mind

Yeah, I think people will actually farm MORE knowing that Helga is easier with the new Helga weapons they can use to farm it.

[Lynxeh]

I agree with grannysboy when he said this is the WORST idea nerfing the level requirement of the Hellgaits. And no I'm not JUST talking about how PvP will be forever ruined, but for the OBVIOUS marketing reason(s):

Hellgait's will make the use of Charm's to farm bosses POINTLESS. At least from 90-120, because it's a freaking level 120 weapon. Fighter's won't need parties at all unless they give all the future mobs a HUGE increase in Atk, Def, and Eva. So they could just solo the damn bosses for drops all day.

Also, charms will be absolutely useless in PvP. Fighters will one shot ANY class but Clerics, but because of stun they'll go down like paper. Mages can one shot Fighter's who don't have a Hellgait Shield and with a CC'd Fear + Stifle they'll take out any cleric who doesn't have one either. So if you're an Archer or Cleric you really have no chance in hell in PvP.

That'll put a HUGE dent in their sales, since they rely so heavily on people buying and stacking charms to take down once difficult bosses/mobs. So in return what will be their response to that? They'll raise the prices on the other Cash Shop items.

Hellgait's will forever ruin Fiesta from ever retaining the title of a "Good" MMO it had from when it first came out. Great job Outspark/OnSonSoft! For all your marketing failures and gameplay "upgrades".

[Lynxeh]

Also:

No hellgait schedule will ever work. Why? Because of one thing. The players are just as greedy as Outspark/OnSonSoft. One guild already owns a bunch of Hellgait's, after they hit 91 and finally get to use them guess what? They'll just farm him with less and less people whenever he spawns and further take the drops to sell!

[nab753]

i wonder how OS is gona fix the abnormally high power of hellgaits lol i mean if you can pwn wit a BK imagine wielding something 5 times more powerful. Are they gona put 5 times more defs on armors to even it out? cuz a person with hellgait can 1 hit KO a person 5-6 lvls higher then them lol...i wana just lay back and watch OS scru things up :P

[Lynxeh]

i wonder how OS is gona fix the abnormally high power of hellgaits lol i mean if you can pwn wit a BK imagine wielding something 5 times more powerful. Are they gona put 5 times more defs on armors to even it out? cuz a person with hellgait can 1 hit KO a person 5-6 lvls higher then them lol...i wana just lay back and watch OS scru things up :P

They won't. They DECREASED the overall def of the armors already. Why would they try to fix it? Hellgait's are a lvl 120 Boss Weapon that for some REASON they decided to lower the level requirements to 91.

Whoever is running these companies needs a lesson on how to make and run a good game.

[Saruin]

They won't. They DECREASED the overall def of the armors already. Why would they try to fix it? Hellgait's are a lvl 120 Boss Weapon that for some REASON they decided to lower the level requirements to 91.

Whoever is running these companies needs a lesson on how to make and run a good game.

I'll bet OS is a side project by Patrick Swayze.
The electricity is actually provided by millions of gerbils on their little wheels.

poor things.

WE SHOULD STOP THIS MADNESS

[ajwanted90]

well best thing they will probly do is either lower the dmg over all of the hellgaits, but probly be a slight stronger then a bk (lvl 95) if this complain keep going on

[boo18white]

ahum -.- Gigee have hellgait because shez a very loved member in azumi...and when we earn our hellgaits we share it with everyone in guild. She fights for AZUMI everyday and every1 loves her :) doesnt matter the fact shez 7x...its not strength that gets u hellgait...its ur personality/popularity and the guild ur in...in this case it was her nice caring personality =) so i suggest u leave her alone

It's not the fact that shes 7x and has a helgait that irritates the [blank] out of me, and really idc that she has one. It's the fact that there are several players that have been to numerous raids and dont have one, and several players that haven't been to raids or have only been to about 2 or 3 raids and have one because their guild gave it to them. Hellgait distribution shouldnt be about popularity or personality, it should be about how many raids you've been to and how hard you work during the raids.

OT: there was a raid schedule proposed a few months back but it never worked.

[spheris]

lol spheris all u did was copy Meek and Neon's idea about a helga raid scedule in Teva...
at least give them some credit for it

I most certainly did not, for one thing I haven't been in the forums for a good long while now, and even when I did come in regularly the only other server forum I went into was apoline.


if you hate things so much, just quit already
for the sake of space I deleted most of it :P

NOW! :O you did an awful lot of complaining, if you have such a problem with the people on Epith that you can really only rely on say five? then why do you keep playing?

-just fyi your ghs blue farming analogy fails because thats a solo effort, not a collective one that multiple people spend a great deal of money on.


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On another note,

How is it that iff(yes iff) the master of Legendary were to agree to at least try it that his guild wouldn't listen? Are they really that out of controll?

[nab753]

people who didnt get a hellgait yet should be just patient O.o by 1 more month i think every cap players in server will have one...helga dies on a daily basis and 2-3 hellgaits are being added to server everyday..how many cap players are there in Epith? 100 or so...how many hellgaits are being added to server each month...about (30x2=60)..so yeah...by 1-2 months almost every cap players will have one so just be patient for ur turn

[spheris]

people who didnt get a hellgait yet should be just patient O.o by 1 more month i think every cap players in server will have one...helga dies on a daily basis and 2-3 hellgaits are being added to server everyday..how many cap players are there in Epith? 100 or so...how many hellgaits are being added to server each month...about (30x2=60)..so yeah...by 1-2 months almost every cap players will have one so just be patient for ur turn

THAT! is actually a really good idea, in fact it smei-solves the problem of hoarders :O

Well somewhat, I mean wanting an entire set for every class is still problematic if enough people try for it. -.O"

[spookyiness]

NOW! :O you did an awful lot of complaining, if you have such a problem with the people on Epith that you can really only rely on say five? then why do you keep playing?


yes, i do an awful lot of complaining, more lately than i used to, ironically about people who complain
i play the game becausei love the game, it's an awesome game, bugs and all - i just choose to ignore people that really annoy me in game, and never rely on anyone but myself or my close friends - i can still play even with that - what i don't do is comlpain about aspects of the game that for all intents and purposes will never be changed, or shouldn't be changed

i used to play a variation of it with dice at school - the entire game is based on random number generation and some people just appear to be luckier than others.

it's the same as in vegas, yeah, some people walk out of town with $20,000, but all that means is that some slub lost $30,000, the house will always win.

people here are complaining about the chance aspect of them not having something that other people do - what i said was that it's a most silly thing to complain about when every item of armor, every weapon, every part of the game involved some use of that random chance, so why suddenly should we change this one aspect to no longer include chance just because someone doesn't have what they want.

and like everything else, as i said before, even if everyone did get one, they'd stil find something to complain about

for gods sake, they couldn't even keep the most simple of helga threads mere stating the time of raids open because it just became a flame fest, because the original complaint was that peopel didn't know when the raids were so they couldn't take part.

there is no solution, because there is no problem - as was posted earlier, people just have to wait, bepatient, and either get their dream weapon, or not... whichever way the dice rolls.

but yes, i love the game, i love my few friends, i enjoy playing, what i don't like are people who just hate for the sake of it


-just fyi your ghs blue farming analogy fails because thats a solo effort, not a collective one that multiple people spend a great deal of money on.


says who?
i'm a cleric, i can barely solo farm bosses without the use of charms or help from another. not every player has fully enhanced weapons and armors - not every player even has godlyish armors - some players have to work in teams to get boss drops, so my analogy stands.

the point being made was that as soon as changes are made to one part of the game (the helga guild schedule), there will be outcrys as to why it isn't at other areas of the game.

all this schedule would do is feed the main guilds. yes there would be days when 'none of the big guilds can participate', but firstly, who's to stop people guild hopping (they already do), and that isn't fair on those 'lesser' guilds who stand no chance of beating helga without the aid of the bigger players who do spend money.

there is enough sharing of the helga weapons around epith - some of it within the winning guild, some of it throughout other guilds to friends/people of note/people who participate etc - people need to learn patience and not demand changes to aspects of the game that aren't broken. we should all just be very happy we're even able to use them after the capraise.

[BainS-NT]

Hey Spheris Stole my Idea haha

AZUMI + sp3c are all for it, but Legendary isn't so it probobly won't happen
and Nabbb shut up xD - These people are right lol

[gigibunny]

Hey Spheris Stole my Idea haha

AZUMI + sp3c are all for it, but Legendary isn't so it probobly won't happen
and Nabbb shut up xD - These people are right lol

^^ Addi

soo it appears to have 2 guilds willing to do this but on the other hand...we can all ask "what if's" now...what if the schedule doesn't work? what if .. well etc. there but what if the schedule does work and we can do this?

Quite frankly, I don't see why we don't have someone organize this as a 4 day rotation? the 3 guilds named (if possible??) and then the 4th for all the rest.. and let us not forget the cap raise coming up as well =D or just create a schedule overall?

^^

[spookyiness]

^^ Addi

soo it appears to have 2 guilds willing to do this but on the other hand...we can all ask "what if's" now...what if the schedule doesn't work? what if .. well etc. there but what if the schedule does work and we can do this?

Quite frankly, I don't see why we don't have someone organize this as a 4 day rotation? the 3 guilds named (if possible??) and then the 4th for all the rest.. and let us not forget the cap raise coming up as well =D or just create a schedule overall?

^^

i still say it won't work
each guild will gets it's drop, but the 'fourth' day will just be a nightmare

why would this 'schedule' change things from how they are now?
all the three main guilds get drops - it's never just one, and anyone that says it is is a liar
all three guilds claim to distribute to other guilds and other people. if we get the schedule, chances are they will stop doing that

so really, what's the problem?

would the people who suggest this or complain still suggest and complain if they happened to have one? or is this just so they get theirs, rather than 'for the greater good'?

i'm not just saying it to be awkward (although, i do enjoy doing that), my honest and impatial opinion is that all a schedule will do is create bigger barriers between the big guilds, a wall between the big guilds and the other guilds, and only the big guilds will actually get the drops.

you really think "everyone else" can defeat helga quite so easily as the big guilds? do you really believe that there are only 3 guilds present at all the raids, or that only those three keep things.

if all three claim they distribute freely, and they are allowed to choose who their drops go to, why oh why do we need a schedule

we'll be making non guild members sit at the back of the bus soon, segregated from everyone else

(general questions gigi, none aimed at you in fact, you were just the last poster - i know better than to question your motives ever)

[Celtic_Princess]

Just thought I'd throw in some perspective from a server that already has a schedule idea in place.

I do not know your server dynamics that well, but Teva has attempted to implement a Helga schedule (I think its been up for close to a month). Anyways, the idea was that if you wanted a shot at Helga you put your name on a list and, after proving you could kill Helga, gained a spot in the regular rotation.

On paper, its a fantastic idea and I give credit to those who put effort into trying to find a more peaceful solution than "war them till they get out". However, there have been several altercations over it...if you'd like to go back in my post history there are at least 3 closed threads regarding the schedule that were closed for flaming.

The issue was that smaller guilds actually felt left out, it seemed harder to get a day to raid if you were a smaller group. European players also had an issue because Helga was killed at times convenient for US players. Individuals who asked to join the larger guilds on their raid (bc either their guild wasn't strong enough, or they weren't in a guild) were essentially told that to join they had to become a member of the guild. Otherwise, they would not be able to participate. Arguments over what is KSing and what is spot claiming came into light...

The point I'm trying to make is that if you do attempt to come up with a solution like this there are a lot of details that would need to be worked out. Even then, not everyone is going to be happy...so undertaking a project like this is a huge responsibility and it will face a lot of speculation. At the very least it requires cooperation from at least 2/3 of your server and even then you'll find that those that dont' agree with it are going to raid when they want to anyways.

[Darklink61]

Just thought I'd throw in some perspective from a server that already has a schedule idea in place.

I do not know your server dynamics that well, but Teva has attempted to implement a Helga schedule (I think its been up for close to a month). Anyways, the idea was that if you wanted a shot at Helga you put your name on a list and, after proving you could kill Helga, gained a spot in the regular rotation.

On paper, its a fantastic idea and I give credit to those who put effort into trying to find a more peaceful solution than "war them till they get out". However, there have been several altercations over it...if you'd like to go back in my post history there are at least 3 closed threads regarding the schedule that were closed for flaming.

The issue was that smaller guilds actually felt left out, it seemed harder to get a day to raid if you were a smaller group. European players also had an issue because Helga was killed at times convenient for US players. Individuals who asked to join the larger guilds on their raid (bc either their guild wasn't strong enough, or they weren't in a guild) were essentially told that to join they had to become a member of the guild. Otherwise, they would not be able to participate. Arguments over what is KSing and what is spot claiming came into light...

The point I'm trying to make is that if you do attempt to come up with a solution like this there are a lot of details that would need to be worked out. Even then, not everyone is going to be happy...so undertaking a project like this is a huge responsibility and it will face a lot of speculation. At the very least it requires cooperation from at least 2/3 of your server and even then you'll find that those that dont' agree with it are going to raid when they want to anyways.


Rawrrrr~~~ She said Teva ^_~

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[gigibunny]

i still say it won't work
each guild will gets it's drop, but the 'fourth' day will just be a nightmare

why would this 'schedule' change things from how they are now?
all the three main guilds get drops - it's never just one, and anyone that says it is is a liar
all three guilds claim to distribute to other guilds and other people. if we get the schedule, chances are they will stop doing that

so really, what's the problem?

would the people who suggest this or complain still suggest and complain if they happened to have one? or is this just so they get theirs, rather than 'for the greater good'?

i'm not just saying it to be awkward (although, i do enjoy doing that), my honest and impatial opinion is that all a schedule will do is create bigger barriers between the big guilds, a wall between the big guilds and the other guilds, and only the big guilds will actually get the drops.

you really think "everyone else" can defeat helga quite so easily as the big guilds? do you really believe that there are only 3 guilds present at all the raids, or that only those three keep things.

if all three claim they distribute freely, and they are allowed to choose who their drops go to, why oh why do we need a schedule

we'll be making non guild members sit at the back of the bus soon, segregated from everyone else

(general questions gigi, none aimed at you in fact, you were just the last poster - i know better than to question your motives ever)

Bobbi~

Your posts are just awesome and I am truly serious about it... I am torn.. I wish in after reading your post that a 'true workable schedule' could work.. I haven't looked (sorry I have not looked past threads for it but I know there have been attempts) for the last thread of a Helga Schedule and what not..

I have to also agree on the part I have highlighted... we all want a Helga drop and if the three guilds suggested could (and more importantly, would) 'share the wealth' so to speak, then is a Helga Raid schedule really necessary?

We are talking truly about one thing here: sharing the drops are we not? We are asking for something to happen ... uhmm because it has not and that is truly what I am reading (and listening etc) for the heart of the matter is. Not if you have drop(s), not if you have participated, not if you are going to, not if you never plan on doing so: the true question is: are there those who have multiple drops and not sharing with those worthy of having them?

But still, this goes back to an original point brought by Bobbi, who is to decide what you get to do with your drop(s)? If you have chosen to pass/share them, then that is your choice ~ as well as keeping them for yourself.

So after saying all that, do we Epith as a whole community honestly believe this "Helga Schedule" can not only be created but work?

[spheris]

yes, i do an awful lot of complaining, more lately than i used to, ironically about people who complain
i play the game becausei love the game, it's an awesome game, bugs and all - i just choose to ignore people that really annoy me in game, and never rely on anyone but myself or my close friends - i can still play even with that - what i don't do is comlpain about aspects of the game that for all intents and purposes will never be changed, or shouldn't be changed

i used to play a variation of it with dice at school - the entire game is based on random number generation and some people just appear to be luckier than others.

it's the same as in vegas, yeah, some people walk out of town with $20,000, but all that means is that some slub lost $30,000, the house will always win.

people here are complaining about the chance aspect of them not having something that other people do - what i said was that it's a most silly thing to complain about when every item of armor, every weapon, every part of the game involved some use of that random chance, so why suddenly should we change this one aspect to no longer include chance just because someone doesn't have what they want.

and like everything else, as i said before, even if everyone did get one, they'd stil find something to complain about

for gods sake, they couldn't even keep the most simple of helga threads mere stating the time of raids open because it just became a flame fest, because the original complaint was that peopel didn't know when the raids were so they couldn't take part.

there is no solution, because there is no problem - as was posted earlier, people just have to wait, bepatient, and either get their dream weapon, or not... whichever way the dice rolls.

but yes, i love the game, i love my few friends, i enjoy playing, what i don't like are people who just hate for the sake of it



says who?
i'm a cleric, i can barely solo farm bosses without the use of charms or help from another. not every player has fully enhanced weapons and armors - not every player even has godlyish armors - some players have to work in teams to get boss drops, so my analogy stands.

the point being made was that as soon as changes are made to one part of the game (the helga guild schedule), there will be outcrys as to why it isn't at other areas of the game.

all this schedule would do is feed the main guilds. yes there would be days when 'none of the big guilds can participate', but firstly, who's to stop people guild hopping (they already do), and that isn't fair on those 'lesser' guilds who stand no chance of beating helga without the aid of the bigger players who do spend money.

there is enough sharing of the helga weapons around epith - some of it within the winning guild, some of it throughout other guilds to friends/people of note/people who participate etc - people need to learn patience and not demand changes to aspects of the game that aren't broken. we should all just be very happy we're even able to use them after the capraise.

I think the players on epith have been patient enough, were it not for the people who hoard whole sets many more people would have their helgaits already, and if I might add, therre would be a lot less complaining.

As for you being a cleric, what about it? I know plenty of clerics with less than godly gear who solo farm at GHS.

Hey Spheris Stole my Idea haha

AZUMI + sp3c are all for it, but Legendary isn't so it probobly won't happen
and Nabbb shut up xD - These people are right lol

IDK if I'd say stole so much as I'd say I gave it a voice. xD

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@gigi

to address this part of your post:

"But still, this goes back to an original point brought by Bobbi, who is to decide what you get to do with your drop(s)? If you have chosen to pass/share them, then that is your choice ~ as well as keeping them for yourself."

The idea is that Helgaits are obtained as a group effort, by multiple people who spend loads on SC.

NOW :O if you hav spent who knows how much on charms/extenders/teva, and attended the majority of the raids, and were still without a helgait, wouldn't you be a little if not a great deal frustrated by that?

This is why, in my opinion, its wrong to profit from helgaits.

[gigibunny]

I think the players on epith have been patient enough, were it not for the people who hoard whole sets many more people would have their helgaits already, and if I might add, therre would be a lot less complaining.

I agree on this point so thus: will creation of your schedule help or not help the community in whole?

[spookyiness]

I think the players on epith have been patient enough, were it not for the people who hoard whole sets many more people would have their helgaits already, and if I might add, therre would be a lot less complaining.


i'm not sure the people of epith could be patient if they had an automated patience making machine...
clearly they can't be
you really believe there are enough helgaits being "hoarded" by a select few that if given out would please everyone?
or would they seriously just find another reason to complain?

there are only so many of them out there, and more people want them than have them, and noone at all (with the except of outspark themselves) has the right to say one person deserves one more than another person.

the people of epith clearly aren't patient, because this thread exists - do you honestly believe that creating this schedule won't create more hoarding and only internal distribution amongst the big 3? or you do really believe that just because each gets its own turn that suddenly everyone on the server will get their helgait?

the situation as it stands now is that the winner of a helgait gets to choose what they do with it, weather they want it for themselves, or they want to save it for their other characters, or they want to let their guild use it, or they want to give it to a friend, or they want to give it to a random person - whatever they choose, they can do, as with every other drop in the game, from old soul dust to helgait axes. no schedule is going to change that, all it's going to do is feed the egos of those who's motives are far from honerable about the whole situation, and create more hatred and wars on the server.

there is no way at all that everyone is going to get one, plain and simple - no amount of complaining or 'ideas' will cure that, it's just the way it is, it's the nature of the game. all this idea will do is create more hoarding and more selfishness.

i've been far more giving than i should have been with them, and i still have my list of people to give them to if i get anymore of them. and yes, i've given away a lot, but that doesn't mean i've won a lot - quite often someone else wins it, and gives it to me to distribute, because they believe i choose honourable and deserving players.

but i can tell you now, people who just sit there day in and day out and do nothing but complain about how they are the center of the universe and how they should be the ones that get everything and stuff everyone, get deleted from my list - and THAT is probably why some people who go to every raid don't have one - maybe i was planning on donating something, but childlike actions made me choose someone else

i know plenty of people who are not in the big three who have helgaits, and i did not give them to these people, so i'm not the only one that gives them away - do you believe that these people would have them if we had this silly schedule? would they have been able to take helga down on the 4th day to get those rewards?

the idea just won't work, because the very nature of epith is that people tend to be selfish and only want things for themselves, and they try to make out they are helping others, but really, they are just helping themselves ("let me help you with your quest" ALWAYS translates to "i'm gonna finish mine first, then ditch you" - nothing else on the server is different.

you can pull ideas out of your bum all day long, but the simple fact is, the current method of "farming" helga is the most fair and freely distributable one there is, and changing it will make far more people unhappy and go without than there currently are.

[apokolypse]

I would like to mention that there are people who have multiple helgaits. just because names havent been said doesnt mean its not there. also those people who have multiple helgaits are selling them and not passing them to guildies/friends/etc. Ive seen many selling them. and bobbi i have to say im kind of peeved at you because you are one of those people with multiple helgaits.

[grannysboy]

I highly disagree Bobbi.The current farming isnt fair at all. Only 2 or 3 parties even have a legimate chance at collecting the drops, at the nightly raids. And said parties are almost soley comprised of memebers of the "big 3" guilds and thier allies (with a few exceptions). I hardly think thats fair at all.
You just believe a schedule wont work, i say give it a chance to fail. When or if it does we can go back to the free for all system.

[hcoolz]

Wow again i agree Apo and illwill.

[spookyiness]

I would like to mention that there are people who have multiple helgaits. just because names havent been said doesnt mean its not there. also those people who have multiple helgaits are selling them and not passing them to guildies/friends/etc. Ive seen many selling them. and bobbi i have to say im kind of peeved at you because you are one of those people with multiple helgaits.

you've seen me sell one, and attempt to sell a second (and how well that is going), both of which are bows/xbows
yes, i have "multiple", being a cleric, i require a hammer & a shield, having an archer, and a huge amount of archer drops, i kept an xbow for my archer.
you can be peeved at me all you like, the fact remains i have more than spread the wealth - giving away at least 15 helgaits to people, and now i'm a selfish one?
i can't control other people that sell them, or show them off - but i know damn well that i have every right to have my hammer & shield, and i've given away plenty.
i could very easily have sold them all at 50g a piece, but i didn't - i donated them.
and yes, names haven't been named, but they get named in game a lot, and quite often they are wrong. most people go by their rumours and there heresay, but few actually know some things, and i know some people are wrongly accused.

i know of some players with more than one full set of blues - are they hoarding? are they allowed to sell them? and don't tell me it's not the same, because it is - i can't farm 85 blues solo now can i - i'm forced to buy them, at great expense, bankrupting me ingame, hence, the need to sell TWO out of all the ones i gave away.

if you're peeved at me, you must be royally peeved at everyone else in the game, cause i frankly believe i'm a very giving and generous player, even to people i don't know.



I highly disagree Bobbi.The current farming isnt fair at all. Only 2 or the parties even have a legimate chance at collecting the drops, at the nightly raids. And said parties are almost soley comprised of memebers of the "big 3" guilds and thier allies (with a few exceptions). I hardly think thats fair at all.
You just believe a schedule wont work, i say give it a chance to fail. When or if it does we can go back to the free for all system.

celtic already pointed out that it kinda did fail on teva, despite the original idea coming from there. there is no possible way to pleease all of the people all of the time - there will always be people who lose, and always people who win.
and for the record, more than two parties win, yes, i party with hero a lot, but i know first hand we get maybe 1 in 4 drops, so that means someone else is getting 3.
all this 'schedule' will do is create more weapons for the big guilds, and less for everyone else

a lot of the people who are crying they have nothing are all members of these three guilds, so what's their excuse? if their guild is hoarding, how come they don't have them? very few people are complaining who are not from the big three, most of them are already part of the big guilds, and therein lies the problem - all three guilds already get drops, so how will the schedule help them?
and who's going to help the smaller lesser guilds get their drops on day 4?


you can all hate me as much as you want, but i defy you to find someone else on epith who gave away as much as i do from these raids.

[spookyiness]

and just to double post...

i have nothing to gain nor lose from a schedule, i have my three items i wanted, i have my hammer, i have my shield, and i have my crossbow, everything i get from hereon in is donated out, and that was always the plan after i got all three.
i made one promise to a friend that if i ever got a wand i'd give it to them, otherwise i choose on the day i get something to give away. i actually did get that wand once and gave it to someone else, that person doesn't even give me the time of day anymore - and you are dissapointed in ME.

why should i not be allowed to be in successful raids anymore, or have a chance at being in a winning party just because i already have them?

[gigibunny]

I think the players on epith have been patient enough, were it not for the people who hoard whole sets many more people would have their helgaits already, and if I might add, therre would be a lot less complaining.

As for you being a cleric, what about it? I know plenty of clerics with less than godly gear who solo farm at GHS.



IDK if I'd say stole so much as I'd say I gave it a voice. xD

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@gigi

to address this part of your post:

"But still, this goes back to an original point brought by Bobbi, who is to decide what you get to do with your drop(s)? If you have chosen to pass/share them, then that is your choice ~ as well as keeping them for yourself."

The idea is that Helgaits are obtained as a group effort, by multiple people who spend loads on SC.

NOW :O if you hav spent who knows how much on charms/extenders/teva, and attended the majority of the raids, and were still without a helgait, wouldn't you be a little if not a great deal frustrated by that?

This is why, in my opinion, its wrong to profit from helgaits.

I missed your answer to my post...sorry ... true it is a harsh reality that people who have spent alot of money on participating in the raids and come up empty-handed...Would I be frustrated? I amd sure and I can definitely see how some and most people are..

As for the last sentence in your post, now that brings up a whole other matter doesn't? ^^ we are bringing forth a matter of people 'profiting' from doing a raid and so on when the question was brought up of a schedule ...

I agree with the point of a shame to those who have done countless (and I do mean countless) raids and never received a drop... I agree that with all the SC spent of participating and to receive nothing from it at all must be oh so frustrating ! I do agree that some have 'hoarded' (was that the word used?) the drops and have not shared... and I most certainly agree that is it (and has been for that matter) time to share

My point is you think a simple schedule can help the community of Epith in everyone getting a Helga drop and believe that initiating such a notion will help and so on.. really now... I have read and know lots of people can attest to these 'schedules' not working (read past posts) and thus as nice of an idea/hope it is to have such a thing work, I believe Epith is speaking out in response...and to me it sounds like yes & no... yes it would be nice if this schedule could work and so on and no it will not...

Again, if you think it can, then by all means create one and let us all see how you believe it will indeed not only work but turn out....will Epith community be unified or torn by such a thing? hmmm.....

[ajwanted90]

the thing i love about epith is the pride everyone have and yet when come to killing helga we work so hard and good, you all got to admit we did kill helga first on that event so yea -.- dont point fingers to people or guild saying they wouldnt agree to this. either way is drop this fight for now alest and show ppl from other server that we can work togather but till that day come, i would be gladly help with the idea for this problem.

[grannysboy]

i know of some players with more than one full set of blues - are they hoarding? are they allowed to sell them? and don't tell me it's not the same, because it is - i can't farm 85 blues solo now can i - i'm forced to buy them, at great expense, bankrupting me ingame, hence, the need to sell TWO out of all the ones i gave away.

if you're peeved at me, you must be royally peeved at everyone else in the game, cause i frankly believe i'm a very giving and generous player, even to people i don't know.





celtic already pointed out that it kinda did fail on teva, despite the original idea coming from there. there is no possible way to pleease all of the people all of the time - there will always be people who lose, and always people who win.
and for the record, more than two parties win, yes, i party with hero a lot, but i know first hand we get maybe 1 in 4 drops, so that means someone else is getting 3.
all this 'schedule' will do is create more weapons for the big guilds, and less for everyone else

a lot of the people who are crying they have nothing are all members of these three guilds, so what's their excuse? if their guild is hoarding, how come they don't have them? very few people are complaining who are not from the big three, most of them are already part of the big guilds, and therein lies the problem - all three guilds already get drops, so how will the schedule help them?
and who's going to help the smaller lesser guilds get their drops on day 4?


you can all hate me as much as you want, but i defy you to find someone else on epith who gave away as much as i do from these raids.

First of all, no one is hating you Bobbi.

Second, you cant compare any other boss drop to helgaits. All other bosses have a 10minute respawn time, and multiple spawn. This makes farming them much easier. (i dont need to tell you that Helga spawns once every 24 hours. You used to official raid timekeeper). So blues arent a very good analogy.

Third Hero's party is CURRENTLY getting 1 in 4 drops. There was a time that that guild got what, 20+ kills in a row? Its just been recently that things have been evening out.

Finally, the schedule wouldnt be for who will kill Helga. It would be in place to give as many people as possible an opportunity. There are many capable players who are not members of Sp3c, AJ , or Leg.

And for the record, Sp3ctral as a whole has not sold 1 helgait weapon to date, and we have given away many.

[lalawillow]

it won't work for many hundreds of reasons, the main one being that the people of epith wouldn't be happy even if everyone got one
if everyone that wanted one had one, there would still be arguments about stats
there would still be aruguments about gears
there would still be arguments about everything, because there always is

noone has any right to say so and so can't raid today, or only we can raid today, regardless of any unofficial 'rotation' idea (which has already been given a huge no by the GMs and CSRs in the past anyway)

where does it stop?

only certain guilds can farm blues at GHS on certain days?
only certain guilds can farm for rings in the mines on certain days?
only certain guilds can do the trees quest on certain days?

i ask again - if i farm in the mine for 2 weeks and get nothing, after paying for sc items such as kings touch and war rant, and you walk in one without having spent a penny, and get an end ring in 1 day - are you going to give it to me?
because surely i've earnt it more than you, surely

you start taking certain people out of the raids, and more people will suffer than will be happy - more helgaits are distributed outside of the 'three big guilds' - you start homing on this silly schedule idea, and they will all hoard because they are now that guild's win and noone elses

many parties are multi guild parties - even the 'winning' parties usually have 3 or 4 guilds in them, with few exceptions - you take that away, how is that fairer?

yes, some people raid a lot and get nothing - yes, some people raid once and get things

it's exactly the same with every other peice of armor or weapon in the game - live with it already and just get over it
either carry on doing it as you are, and maybe you'll get lucky - maybe someone else who got lucky who already has what was dropped will give you something - maybe not - thems are the breaks.

yes, i've been VERY lucky in the raids - i've got the things i wanted for me, i of course, want to get things for my family and my best friends, but i've also GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE to people who aren't in any of the guilds, including people of the 'big' guilds 14 different helgaits, and yes, i've sold one, trying to sell a second, i have no game money because i'm forced to buy all my armors as noone will ever step aside when i want to farm GHS or when i wanted ot farm Trumpy (imagine that, where's the schedules for those dungeons).

if i was 'banned' from all the raids, would those 14 people have gotten their helgaits?
is it not my choice who i give them to?
how do you know i don't have an actual list of people to give things to if/when i win more? how do you know you aren't on it (or at least, were on it until i saw how childish you really are) - and yes, that's a general open statement, not at a specific person.
how many more people can say they were so generous, to the point they are practically bankrupt in the game?

even people from those 'big' guilds who recieved FREE GIFTS from me from helgas tomb don't even have the time of day for me - don't even say hello to me anymore, except to say 'wanna party for the raid' or 'can yo uhelp me do this can you help me do that'

do i deserve to be treated the way i have been treated in game? should i still give away things knowing damn well that it's going to continue and people will still treat me like i'm a damn machine who is only there to help THEM and never to be helped.

there are probably4, maybe 5 people in this game i can actually rely on to help me with things when i want it, and i live with one of them - what does that tell you about the people of epith.

you can make all the agreements and schedules you like, but tomorrow, you'll just whine and complain and moan about something else, about how it's so unfair that the sky is blue, or that water is wet and you'll never be happy

all you are doing is ruining an excellent game for those of us that actually enjoy playing it and working for our rewards - if you hate things so much, just quit already


Bobbi i luv what you wrote. Im too lazy too write my own roman about the "bad Guild" im in. But most i've read till now is from ppl who dunno what is going on.

You see 3 Hellgaits in shop from one of our members and really think its all his hellgaits and he wanna sell them for high price of 1-2gem? => wrong !!! just to show others what we got (especially in the beginning)

The "bad guild" sells and hordes all hellgaits and dont give them away? => Wrong!!! even given away to some other ppl for free who arent even in that bad guild.


ppl join just to get hellgaits then leave guild? => even it would be true, you think we have soooooo many hellgaits everyone he joins gets instantly hellgaits for free so he dun need to stay long in our guild?


one last thing^^: you say small guilds cant get drops from helga? => wrong too: form a party of 5 ppl, go to many raids waste about 50-100$sc and wooops you get a hellgait....
its that easy
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ok i said im too lazy so i stop writing for now. just one last word, dont believe what all ppl say. Several only write so bad cause they are greedy and cant live without getting a hellgait. but they say we are greedy .....

bobby is right with everything she wrote.

<--- in 1 of the bad guilds

[grannysboy]

I saw 1 member of this "bad guild" in Fbz1 showing his personal collection of 6 Helgaits. Can you explain that?

[spheris]

I missed your answer to my post...sorry ... true it is a harsh reality that people who have spent alot of money on participating in the raids and come up empty-handed...Would I be frustrated? I amd sure and I can definitely see how some and most people are..

As for the last sentence in your post, now that brings up a whole other matter doesn't? ^^ we are bringing forth a matter of people 'profiting' from doing a raid and so on when the question was brought up of a schedule ...

I agree with the point of a shame to those who have done countless (and I do mean countless) raids and never received a drop... I agree that with all the SC spent of participating and to receive nothing from it at all must be oh so frustrating ! I do agree that some have 'hoarded' (was that the word used?) the drops and have not shared... and I most certainly agree that is it (and has been for that matter) time to share

My point is you think a simple schedule can help the community of Epith in everyone getting a Helga drop and believe that initiating such a notion will help and so on.. really now... I have read and know lots of people can attest to these 'schedules' not working (read past posts) and thus as nice of an idea/hope it is to have such a thing work, I believe Epith is speaking out in response...and to me it sounds like yes & no... yes it would be nice if this schedule could work and so on and no it will not...

Again, if you think it can, then by all means create one and let us all see how you believe it will indeed not only work but turn out....will Epith community be unified or torn by such a thing? hmmm.....


If I could get everyones cooperation I would be more than happy to draw up a feasable schedule, but that would require everyone to comply.

Also I would need to know which european countries play the game so I could take their time zones into consideration while drafting a schedule.

Not only that but I think it would help if I were able to colaborate with the leaders of AZUMI, Legendary, and Sp3ctral.


And assuming there was a freelance day, and I'm pretty sure the server would want that, I'd need to know the most capable players outside of AZUMI, Legendary, and Sp3ctral.

[blackmagic95]

Bobbi for President!

If you you want fairness, Why not just create a random name generator system or something? Put everyone who wants a Helgait in it, and what drop they need. And when someone gets a helgait and they choose to give it away, a random name will be pulled for that weapon, and their name removed.

But then again, Im sure someone will go on about how its rigged to make sure Legendary gets them all or some other BS you people can think of :rolleyes:

[spheris]

Bobbi for President!

If you you want fairness, Why not just create a random name generator system or something? Put everyone who wants a Helgait in it, and what drop they need. And when someone gets a helgait and they choose to give it away, a random name will be pulled for that weapon, and their name removed.

But then again, Im sure someone will go on about how its rigged to make sure Legendary gets them all or some other BS you people can think of :rolleyes:

Shoot if anyone was put in charge of this I'd rather see Gigi, at least she sees both sides of the argument.

Anyways how does one make a random name generator? :P

[blackmagic95]

Shoot if anyone was put in charge of this I'd rather see Gigi, at least she sees both sides of the argument.

Anyways how does one make a random name generator? :P

Ill freakin make it idc, I know many programing languages to make it in. I think I would make a client-Server program, anyone can downloa the client, and watch the server pick a random person from a database.

Ill even go through the trouble of making a little site where you can register your name to be added into the database to be drawn.

So nobody complains.

And Just for the record, I see both sides alos. Any helgait I get im going to give away for sure (Unless Hammer/Shield, goes to wife sorry <.<)

Fighter Helgait --> Des.
Archer Helgait --> Dixie_Devil/Ah_Rin
Mage Helgait --> Thing
Cleric Helgait --> nads88

[gigibunny]

If I could get everyones cooperation I would be more than happy to draw up a feasable schedule, but that would require everyone to comply.

Also I would need to know which european countries play the game so I could take their time zones into consideration while drafting a schedule.

Not only that but I think it would help if I were able to colaborate with the leaders of AZUMI, Legendary, and Sp3ctral.


And assuming there was a freelance day, and I'm pretty sure the server would want that, I'd need to know the most capable players outside of AZUMI, Legendary, and Sp3ctral.

well I can personally say that AZUMI has a GM and many ADMINS ~ and yes I am an Admin so if a meeting is what you would like to suggest: then time and place and so forth....and there are tons...many...lots...of capable players outside of the 3 guilds you suggested... ^^

Bobbi for President!

If you you want fairness, Why not just create a random name generator system or something? Put everyone who wants a Helgait in it, and what drop they need. And when someone gets a helgait and they choose to give it away, a random name will be pulled for that weapon, and their name removed.

But then again, Im sure someone will go on about how its rigged to make sure Legendary gets them all or some other BS you people can think of :rolleyes:

Hear hear!! Bobbi is awesome!!! :D

and oh! on the last paragraph :S but I do agree with this part --> :rolleyes:

Shoot if anyone was put in charge of this I'd rather see Gigi, at least she sees both sides of the argument.

Anyways how does one make a random name generator? :P

I see nothing wrong with a Random Name Generator... interesting idea/concept ... hmmm...

Ill freakin make it idc, I know many programing languages to make it in. I think I would make a client-Server program, anyone can downloa the client, and watch the server pick a random person from a database.

Ill even go through the trouble of making a little site where you can register your name to be added into the database to be drawn.

So nobody complains.

And Just for the record, I see both sides alos. Any helgait I get im going to give away for sure (Unless Hammer/Shield, goes to wife sorry <.<)

Fighter Helgait --> Des.
Archer Helgait --> Dixie_Devil/Ah_Rin
Mage Helgait --> Thing
Cleric Helgait --> nads88

Good list btw on your part Buster ^^ very good one and still fascinated with the name generator and seeing how it would work...all be interested in trying or no?

[kristylynn]

I read through this whole thread and it almost set me off again but what for. Cap raise soon. Helga will just get easier and easier. Yea some people who don't deserver them have them, Yea some people who do, don't. Some people horde, some people give away, and some people sell. No different then things in Real Life.

Everyone feels they are worthy for some reason and for every reason they do someone has a good arguement as to why they don't. How many have truely played honorably all the time? "Not Me" and I consider myself one of the most honorable and honest people on epith. Catch me on a bad day and if that is your only dealings with me you will think I am horable. Catch me most other times you know I play with pride and honor.

Be thankful you have your life, and ability to play a game such as this. I (know/have known) people who will never get that opertunity take a second to think about them. Then not owning HG wep becomes easier to deal with.

[gigibunny]

I read through this whole thread and it almost set me off again but what for. Cap raise soon. Helga will just get easier and easier. Yea some people who don't deserver them have them, Yea some people who do, don't. Some people horde, some people give away, and some people sell. No different then things in Real Life.

Everyone feels they are worthy for some reason and for every reason they do someone has a good arguement as to why they don't. How many have truely played honorably all the time? "Not Me" and I consider myself one of the most honorable and honest people on epith. Catch me on a bad day and if that is your only dealings with me you will think I am horable. Catch me most other times you know I play with pride and honor.

Be thankful you have your life, and ability to play a game such as this. I (know/have known) people who will never get that opertunity take a second to think about them. Then not owning HG wep becomes easier to deal with.


^^ hmm another good point.. and we can dwell in the past all we want, all day long...we are still talking about future raids as well though for those who have not had any to get one...

:D also still pondering the random name generator idea by Buster ^^

[YoshimaruOrona]

I don't get why you don't match numbers to users and just use a random number generator. I would think that'd be easier than creating a random name generator.

Then again, I suck at programming, so I'll just shut it and watch to see where this goes :P

[blackmagic95]

I don't get why you don't match numbers to users and just use a random number generator. I would think that'd be easier than creating a random name generator.

Then again, I suck at programming, so I'll just shut it and watch to see where this goes :P

If I am going to do this, I am going to do it perfect, so nobody can complain. Flawless.

[kristylynn]

If I am going to do this, I am going to do it perfect, so nobody can complain. Flawless.

God herself has not even pulled that off.

Good luck.

[blackmagic95]

God herself has not even pulled that off.

Good luck.

Pretty sure God never tried to create a generator for Epith Helgaits. HE wouldn't waste HIS time. ;)

[gigibunny]

Pretty sure God never tried to create a generator for Epith Helgaits. HE wouldn't waste HIS time. ;)

^^ Gooo Buster :D

[spookyiness]

Bobbi for President!

If you you want fairness, Why not just create a random name generator system or something? Put everyone who wants a Helgait in it, and what drop they need. And when someone gets a helgait and they choose to give it away, a random name will be pulled for that weapon, and their name removed.

But then again, Im sure someone will go on about how its rigged to make sure Legendary gets them all or some other BS you people can think of :rolleyes:

yes, there would be complaints, because that's the nature of things.
but again, how would this solve the problem? i thought the whole point was that people who "deserve" one don't have one, and people who don't "deserve" one do have them - who gets to decide who can go on the list and who can't, what happens when lots of low lvl characters start getting helgaits, and those that say they've been to 400 raids still don't get one just because their name didn't come up?



Shoot if anyone was put in charge of this I'd rather see Gigi, at least she sees both sides of the argument.


she's not alone, i see all sides of the argument, i ask many questions, very few of which get answered, maybe if people actually answered them, i'd sway more towards one side, but it seems to me that rather than looking for someone to see both sides, we are looking for people to agree with the idea - i genuinely don't see any benefit to any of the ideas so far versus how things already are.



Ill freakin make it idc, I know many programing languages to make it in. I think I would make a client-Server program, anyone can downloa the client, and watch the server pick a random person from a database.

Ill even go through the trouble of making a little site where you can register your name to be added into the database to be drawn.

So nobody complains.

And Just for the record, I see both sides alos. Any helgait I get im going to give away for sure (Unless Hammer/Shield, goes to wife sorry <.<)

Fighter Helgait --> Des.
Archer Helgait --> Dixie_Devil/Ah_Rin
Mage Helgait --> Thing
Cleric Helgait --> nads88

you see, you've already gone against it by putting in that if you get a certain drop it goes to a certain person - isn't that just how things are now? if i get a drop, do i not decide if i want to keep it, give it away, and whom to give it to? you're saying that one person is more deserving than another with the very first round of "random" picks....

and, it's worth pointing out, for the umpteenth time, that this is already a game based on random numbers. The original idea was to ask why some people have helgaits already, and some don't - the idea being some are more deserving than others, based on personal choice and personal belief. it has also been pointed out that the three 'big' guilds already seem to have a party each, and that recently the drops seem to be spread a little more evenly - spec gets it's drops, leg gets its drops, azumi gets its drops and 'miscellaneous' gets its drops, and all three swear blind they share both within and outside of their guilds to people they feel deserving, either because they are friends, or they attend many raids, or because they have hair on their toes.

yes, several weeks ago, maybe it was a plausable idea, but all it's going to do now is throw a wrench in the works of something that is slowly fixing itself, and that is going to do is cause more drama where drama has started to leave. there doesn't seem to be silly wars declared 2 minutes before the spawn to force guilds to only party with themselves. guilds party with other guilds to bring helga down, parties protect the clerics of tankers to help take helga down - over the last few weeks the very method of the daily raid has changed considerably to one of pure server teamwork, with more people working as a team than work against the grain, compared to how it used to be when only a few people worked together and far more worked to cause problems.

what happens when someone gets a drop, and they decide they don't want to use this random generator, and they want if for themselves, or for their best friend, or spouse? what happens if someone comes up on the list, they get the helgait, and then for whatever reason they decide to sell it? what right do any of us have to say what the person who gets the drop has to do with that drop?

why not just draw up a list of people to get helgaits, send it to outspark saying we won't bother killing him each day, just assume we did, and you give out helgaits to all these people?

there is nothing wrong with how the raids go right now - there WAS, but there isn't anymore - it's fine, it's as fair as it's going to get and distribution is slowly working it's way around. 2 drops a day even with this 'random' idea (which isn't random because we've already bumped people to the top of the list) is still going to produce as many drops as 2 drops a day killing him the way we kill him now.

all three of the big guilds are getting drops, sometimes one party gets 2 or 3 in a row, and sometimes that same party goes without for a week - but whomever gets the drops should have the choice to do whatever they wish with those drops, be it keep, trade, give away, sell, npc, brag, hide, show, paint pink, whatever they want. i don't have the right to tell you what to do with your drops, just as you don't have the right to tell me, just as none of us has the right to tell everyone else.

there is no 'schedule' or 'random'ness that can be created that will ensure everyone gets one, becuase there just aren't enough of them to go around. the same people who have had to wait may have to wait longer on a random situation, whereas someone who got added to the list today may get one tomrrow - how is that fair for the people without?

i have my personal list, 4 classes, 10 drops, it's in no particular order - people that ask me for drops (yes, ask) get put on it, as i get one, i decide there and then who gets it, i decide if i want to swap it for my own cause it has better stats and then give it away, i decide if someone gets this [hammer] in exchange for their [mace] so that i can give someone else the [mace] (wand/staff/bow/xbow etc etc), and you alone decide what you want to do with yours.

can you tell me, with all honesty, that "random" is fairer than human choice? there will always be people who act selfish and just keep to themselves, and there will be nothing any of you could do about it. the freedom of choice is kind of important in todays world, and it's those choices that determine how much we respect others, or how much they respect us - what (you're) planning is to say there is no more choice, this is how it is, this is who gets the next drop, this is how it's going down, and i'm sorry, buti was raised in a democracy, not a dictatorship, i would prefer to carry on giving away things they way i always have.

and it's time to stop pidgeon holing guilds because of some peoples acts. most of you are happy to sit there and say "this guild this" and "that guild that", when really what you mean is "this person this", or "those people that" who happen to be in x guild. There are few people i dislike in the game, genuinely dislike, and most of them are in a single guild, yet, i have many friends in that guild too, it's the price of a large guild. of the big three, i have many friends in all of them, i have many people i dislike in all of them, but i have NEVER held an entire guild accountable because of the actions of indivudual players, or groups of players, and that has to stop.

there are, what i call, four primary parties at each raid, usually one from each guild, sometimes two from one guild, sometimes a mix, sometimes not - i've been in mixed parties, i've been in all leg parties, i've been in all azumi parties, i've even been in an all spec party, and that's rare enough - i've been on the winning party with L & A too (not S though, they seem to win better without me, which is probably why i'm not asked anymore, lol) and i've been in parties that have none of them members of those three guilds in it, and been on the winning side.

back in the old once a week days, and the early days of the daily raids, there were so many more problems and selfishness and tactics against guilds to try to prevent them getting the drops, but recently, things have changed, and if you haven't seen that, you need to open your eyes and watch more closely, rather than just centering on yourself.

i'm a negative nelly in this thread, but only because i'm also a realist - i always have been - i've always analysed and over-analysed all the angles of things - it's my nature, it's the way my brain works - any type of schedule, be it rotation of guilds, or 'random' to distribute the drops is going to cause far more problems than we have now - and it's going to prevent what is slowly becoming a drama free raid from becoming a fully drama free raid and go back to the old ways of petty fights and throwing of toys out the pram.

the people who 'deserve' drops more than others are still going to go without, and i'm very sure the only reason the ideas are popping up at all, is because those people just want to find a way to bump themselves to the top of the giveaway list - i do not believe most of the ideas come from genuine belief of the betterment of the server, but for more selfish ideas - not all, but most.

leave things be, eventually most people will get what they want, but not everyone - because that isn't possible, and it's nieive to believe it is possible. it's time to stop whining and compliaing about x guild, and how so and so kept their drop yesterday or gave it to their best friend or to their guild mate, and how you spent x hundred dollars on raids (your choice by the way) and don't have anything to show for it - and just get on with the job at hand.

i can tell you now, on my personal list, i add pretty much anyone that asks that actually attends the raids - the people that attend mainly for fun, who don't really care one way or the other, and enjoy themselves tend to get things first (i cite yuffie, who died so many times she had her own coffin in there), but she had the time of her life and she never cared if she got a bow - so she got one - if people whine and complain at me about how they didn't get anything yet after being there since 1927 when helga first appeared, they tend to get pushed down a peg on the list, because they are there for selfish reasons, and tend to stop coming to help out other people once they get their drop. the only person that was ever on my list to get one that, at the time, didn't attend many raids, was gigee - because of all the good things she does for the server in general - but A got themselves a few bows one week and she got her reward elsewhere. I am someone who has my own hammer now, and shield for that matter, yes, it makes me very lucky indeed (which more than makes up for every other attempt at farming i've ever undertaken in the game) but i still go to the raids, because i hope i get on the winning team to get drops so i can give them out to other players. There are other people who have what they want, and don't want anything else, and they still go to help out and win things for others, but there are far too many people who go for themselves, who don't care that other people play the game too, and they stop raiding the second they get their drop, or they complain and complain about how they didn't get anything yet, which is nothing but selfish imo.

but... if you can show me how your random generation is fairer than the human choice we have in place right now, or how each guild getting it's own day and then all the other guilds getting their own day is fairer than it is right now (right now, not 2 months ago), then i'm happy to hear/read it - i doubt you can, because i've thought about it way too much, but by all means go for it.

i still say, it's VERY unfair for anyone to tell anyone else what they must do with the drop they get. it would never be ordered of any other aspect of the game, and it never should be in todays world.

[blackmagic95]

yes, there would be complaints, because that's the nature of things.
but again, how would this solve the problem? i thought the whole point was that people who "deserve" one don't have one, and people who don't "deserve" one do have them - who gets to decide who can go on the list and who can't, what happens when lots of low lvl characters start getting helgaits, and those that say they've been to 400 raids still don't get one just because their name didn't come up?
.......

Well It would be an option for somebody who got one, and doesn't want to sell it, or doesn't know who to give it too. Not saying "OMG !! you must use this if you get a helgait!!" -.-

Of course there will be restrictons, IP loggers, so you can only enter 1 character, lvl 8x+ required (or something).

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

Random generator failure: I can go into even more detail but will be brief

You sure u know programing? There is not such thing as "random" in programing, rather, things are set to a pattern which can change within mili-seconds: Thus, pseudo randomness. In that sense your program has already failed.

However, there are ways to work around this problem and have this pseudo randomness act as if it is truly random.

One problem, I can think of is can the same person receives more than one helgait if there name is chosen twice? However, if they are cleric for instance they would probably want both a hammer and shield right? I'm not going to write the code, however, you can eliminate them from getting picked for a hammer if they have received it and leave only the option to receive a shield.

Moving on, I think this would not work if you allowed the user to sign up, since one person could sign up multiple times ;|. However, you can show who is on the list while keeping the data from being altered: private method. Not sure what language your gonna use though D:

Gonna go sit on the milky-way, I'll check forum later, peace hopefully this helped with some of the logic you'll have to solve in writing your program XD.

[blackmagic95]

Random generator failure: I can go into even more detail but will be brief

You sure u know programing? There is not such thing as "random" in programing, rather, things are set to a pattern which can change within mili-seconds: Thus, pseudo randomness. In that sense your program has already failed.

However, there are ways to work around this problem and have this pseudo randomness act as if it is truly random.

One problem, I can think of is can the same person receives more than one helgait if there name is chosen twice? However, if they are cleric for instance they would probably want both a hammer and shield right? I'm not going to write the code, however, you can eliminate them from getting picked for a hammer if they have received it and leave only the option to receive a shield.

Moving on, I think this would not work if you allowed the user to sign up, since one person could sign up multiple times ;|.

Gonna go sit on the milky-way, I'll check forum later, peace hopefully this helped with some of the logic you'll have to solve in writing your program XD.

Nothing is truly random, anything can be somewhat predicted. However, A human did not pick a name, the machine did, thus it might not be random to the computer, but to us, its random.

Now about the details of the entire thing, I am going to talk with Gigee about rules and stuff. What I know now is this:

☼IP logger, enter one name into the database per IP address.

☼Level Requirement (Not sure exact level yet)

☼Raid, You must be at that raid to win, otherwise ppl wouldn't attend if they know they have a chance to get a helgait w/o going. We were thinking of Shouting something like "Helgait Draw Screenshot (DATE)" in the start of the raid, and if you want ur chance to win, screenshot us shouting that inorder to proof u were there. And if you miss the screenshot and come late, just whisper me or someone and they will vouge that you were there. Like 5 vouges or something, and take a screenshot.

☼Im leaning on ONE helgait per person. Lets use your example. If you are a cleric, you have to decide, what do you want more, Hammer/Mace, or Shield. Same with the rest of the classes.

☼When you win, your name is removed from the database, and you can't register again.


Thats off the top of my head, I am sure more things will come up, and there will be solutions for them aswell.


Again, I am not trying to make this a mandatory thing, just an option if you have an extra helgait.

[spookyiness]

Nothing is truly random, anything can be somewhat predicted. However, A human did not pick a name, the machine did, thus it might not be random to the computer, but to us, its random.

Now about the details of the entire thing, I am going to talk with Gigee about rules and stuff. What I know now is this:

☼IP logger, enter one name into the database per IP address.

☼Level Requirement (Not sure exact level yet)

☼Raid, You must be at that raid to win, otherwise ppl wouldn't attend if they know they have a chance to get a helgait w/o going. We were thinking of Shouting something like "Helgait Draw Screenshot (DATE)" in the start of the raid, and if you want ur chance to win, screenshot us shouting that inorder to proof u were there. And if you miss the screenshot and come late, just whisper me or someone and they will vouge that you were there. Like 5 vouges or something, and take a screenshot.

☼Im leaning on ONE helgait per person. Lets use your example. If you are a cleric, you have to decide, what do you want more, Hammer/Mace, or Shield. Same with the rest of the classes.

☼When you win, your name is removed from the database, and you can't register again.


Thats off the top of my head, I am sure more things will come up, and there will be solutions for them aswell.


Again, I am not trying to make this a mandatory thing, just an option if you have an extra helgait.

even psudeo random is random enough for the purposes of the exercise, so that's a moot point (a cows opinion)

ip loggers only work to a certain extent - ips are dynamic for the most part - i can force my router to get a new ip every minute if i so desire, so that won't work - and by the same token, ips are sometimes shared, if people happen to be on a shared ip, or just the same provider that rotates dynamically, some people wouldn't be able to use it - a better way would be registration, moderated by a human - a human goes through the application and adds/denies as they see fit, that would be the better way to prevent duplication, and with lvl restriction, would prevent ppl from just making a new char to be added to the list.

restricting one item to each players isn't really fair either, as was pointed out, clerics use shields, i'd have to choose if i wanted a shield or a hammer/mace - same with fighters, some use 1h with shield, some 2g/axe, some both, who's to say they aren't allowed all 4 if they are a true hybrid? it's no less fair than them having 4 blues (and no more comparisons from helgaits to blues, it's the principle, not the lvl of the item).

if you want another restriction - how about you only get your class - make it gm kq - if you're a cleric, you're only allowed cleric things, if you're a mage, you only get a choice of mage things, etc etc

i still say it's gonna cause more problems than not - nothing will replace human choice and distribution, and i'll bet my life that more people will complain after a few raids this way than complain now.

i've said it before, no doubt i'll say it again - raids have changed over the last few weeks, they've gotten fairer, more even, and less drama-fest - making changes now is going to reverse that, not encourage it to continue

but for the record, i will still raid whenever i can, even after the cap (it only takes up 10 minutes after all, as we are the best server), and i'll still donate my items to whomever.

[spookyiness]

double post again..

anyhoo, time to play, wifey is home, not much time before i'm back on cleric ful time, so you have the benefit of not reading my novels for a few hours

[blackmagic95]

even psudeo random is random enough for the purposes of the exercise, so that's a moot point (a cows opinion)

ip loggers only work to a certain extent - ips are dynamic for the most part - i can force my router to get a new ip every minute if i so desire, so that won't work - and by the same token, ips are sometimes shared, if people happen to be on a shared ip, or just the same provider that rotates dynamically, some people wouldn't be able to use it - a better way would be registration, moderated by a human - a human goes through the application and adds/denies as they see fit, that would be the better way to prevent duplication, and with lvl restriction, would prevent ppl from just making a new char to be added to the list.

restricting one item to each players isn't really fair either, as was pointed out, clerics use shields, i'd have to choose if i wanted a shield or a hammer/mace - same with fighters, some use 1h with shield, some 2g/axe, some both, who's to say they aren't allowed all 4 if they are a true hybrid? it's no less fair than them having 4 blues (and no more comparisons from helgaits to blues, it's the principle, not the lvl of the item).

if you want another restriction - how about you only get your class - make it gm kq - if you're a cleric, you're only allowed cleric things, if you're a mage, you only get a choice of mage things, etc etc

i still say it's gonna cause more problems than not - nothing will replace human choice and distribution, and i'll bet my life that more people will complain after a few raids this way than complain now.

i've said it before, no doubt i'll say it again - raids have changed over the last few weeks, they've gotten fairer, more even, and less drama-fest - making changes now is going to reverse that, not encourage it to continue

but for the record, i will still raid whenever i can, even after the cap (it only takes up 10 minutes after all, as we are the best server), and i'll still donate my items to whomever.

Good points. Thats why it is open for discussion.

What does everyone else think?

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

Nice post spookyiness :)

even psudeo random is random enough for the purposes of the exercise, so that's a moot point (a cows opinion)




However, the direction I was headed with bringing up the idea of pseudo randomness is that the programmer can actually control the outcome. No, I'm not assuming anyone would do this, but by changing the seed a person can actually change the sequence of what names are picked. Using a call method (not stating which >.>), quite tedious and time consuming actually, a person can determine the exact # for the seed that will give them the exact sequence they are looking for: just like you said :
nothing will replace human choice and distribution,
} this ties in to your comments about complaints....

I agree this can be moot, but information is power.


My assumption however, is that the task at hand might be too overburdening, that is all.

Since you covered most of the problems about ip I'll refrain from posting on that subject.





i've said it before, no doubt i'll say it again - raids have changed over the last few weeks, they've gotten fairer, more even, and less drama-fest - making changes now is going to reverse that, not encourage it to continue

I agree, however, I also sympathize with those who feel lefted out....


but for the record, i will still raid whenever i can, even after the cap (it only takes up 10 minutes after all, as we are the best server), and i'll still donate my items to whomever.

Even a stranger? :o
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All in all I think this "random generator thing" has the right intentions, but...

Weird, last few post, haven't you noticed its only us programmers posting >.>. Is the issue dead? XD

[ajwanted90]

Nice post spookyiness :)





However, the direction I was headed with bringing up the idea of pseudo randomness is that the programmer can actually control the outcome. No, I'm not assuming anyone would do this, but by changing the seed a person can actually change the sequence of what names are picked. Using a call method (not stating which >.>), quite tedious and time consuming actually, a person can determine the exact # for the seed that will give them the exact sequence they are looking for: just like you said : } this ties in to your comments about complaints....

I agree this can be moot, but information is power.


My assumption however, is that the task at hand might be too overburdening, that is all.

Since you covered most of the problems about ip I'll refrain from posting on that subject.





I agree, however, I also sympathize with those who feel lefted out....



Even a stranger? :o
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All in all I think this "random generator thing" has the right intentions, but...

Weird, last few post, haven't you noticed its only us programmers posting >.>. Is the issue dead? XD

she did donate to ppl

[azumii_warp]

oops OMG how did this act get logged in lol

[kristylynn]

☼Raid, You must be at that raid to win, otherwise ppl wouldn't attend if they know they have a chance to get a helgait w/o going. We were thinking of Shouting something like "Helgait Draw Screenshot (DATE)" in the start of the raid, and if you want ur chance to win, screenshot us shouting that inorder to proof u were there. And if you miss the screenshot and come late, just whisper me or someone and they will vouge that you were there. Like 5 vouges or something, and take a screenshot.

This aint fair either, most of the raids happen when I am fast asleep in the USA because I have to work the next day. So because of this I don't deserver one? I was there for every raid but 2 before Helga fell for the first time and was there for the initial kill. I go to the ones that happen during the day when I can. Last one I just went and watched and shook my head (it really is sad if you stand back).

So if you want a list to go off of see that the people that were there for the initial kill, they would have been first on any list I had if I was able to do it and that includes going before guildies of mine.

Real point is there is no point in going on with this people will do what they have to do to get one. Some will be shady some wont. No point in fighting, every point has a counter point, every person has someone who will say they don't deserver one, and 10 that say they do.

[blackmagic95]

This aint fair either, most of the raids happen when I am fast asleep in the USA because I have to work the next day. So because of this I don't deserver one?

Like I said, and I'll say it again, this is not set in stone. It will be changed; other problems will arise.

So how about you must atleast go to an X number of raids or something? Weekend?

And again, it is an option.

[devin_nicolai]

I hope this works. Either that or it might cause more drama.

[Shadowscizor]

ok here is the deal and updates about helgait weapons.

1. The one guild u guys talking about thats always taking helgait weapons and too greedy too pass em out is no longer capable. AZUMI and Sp3ctral team up in every raid and tries to outnumber those people to get the hellgaits. We make sure they dont get any hellgaits ^^

~I don't like your attitude saying we are to greedy. We of course ain't greedy and giving away countless helgaits to others outside the guild. As i would like the point out that Hero_Fame has giving out lots of helgait and even sacrifice his own valuable helgait to fulfill his promise. Me myself of course has multiple helgaits and been giving out 4-6 helgaits to other guilds other then my own. This prove the point that what you saying about us is false and trying to make lies to make us look bad? OO

[devin_nicolai]

~I don't like your attitude saying we are to greedy. We of course ain't greedy and giving away countless helgaits to others outside the guild. As i would like the point out that Hero_Fame has giving out lots of helgait and even sacrifice his own valuable helgait to fulfill his promise. Me myself of course has multiple helgaits and been giving out 4-6 helgaits to other guilds other then my own. This prove the point that you think your better then us in everything and you are just selfish and greedy.

Just ignore a few posts. Ull get caught up in flaming

[Shadowscizor]

Just ignore a few posts. Ull get caught up in flaming

I'm defending my guild or so i say my friends.

[nab753]

~ We of course ain't greedy. Me myself of course has multiple helgaits. This prove the point that what you saying about us is false.

~ case and point ~

u barely show up in any raid and u have multiple HG of ur own and u said u gave away 4-6...so u have 10+ hellgaits when i doubt u even joined 5 raids O_o got anything else to say to screw urself up even more?

[Shadowscizor]

Helga schedule would not work. why?
Is because drama already starting and it doesn't revolve around the three guilds previously said by Hero.
Yes everyone who works hard deserve helgaits. I personally should recommend silent or desu should be up for the next fighter drops. I seen there hardwork in action and quiet frankly they deserve the best. Im just disappointed that they never gotten there helgaits is because not many fighter drops were dropping at that time. So what Bobbiness said is what right atm until we can finally solve this solution. Party that get the drops has the right to keep, give away or do whatever they want with it.

[blackmagic95]

~ case and point ~

u barely show up in any raid and u have multiple HG of ur own and u said u gave away 4-6...so u have 10+ hellgaits when i doubt u even joined 5 raids O_o got anything else to say to screw urself up even more?

What do you think about the random generator foo?

[Shadowscizor]

~ case and point ~

u barely show up in any raid and u have multiple HG of ur own and u said u gave away 4-6...so u have 10+ hellgaits when i doubt u even joined 5 raids O_o got anything else to say to screw urself up even more?

Your just starting drama Nabbb. Manipulating my sentence and trying to make me look bad. Why do you always make things up Oooo bummer. Your assumption about me having that much helgaits is not true at all. My party for raid that gets the drop doesn't guarantee i get the drops. I been to every single raid since helga spawn every 24hrs excluding from when helga time got screw up when server went down like 2-3weeks ago. i stop going to raid 2 days ago since its pointless to waste precious money on charms and stuff. STOP MAKING UP STORIES

[kevinyou40]

There are around 3000 guilds. why do you think you have the right to tell all those people that only 3 guilds get to kill Helga?
BTW i've been in many raids and no i don't have one and one day i hope to but its not that serious. try having fun for once and stop complaining.

[blackmagic95]

There are around 3000 guilds. why do you think you have the right to tell all those people that only 3 guilds get to kill Helga?
BTW i've been in many raids and no i don't have one and one day i hope to but its not that serious. try having fun for once and stop complaining.

No offence or anything, But I don't think there is any other guild that can....

Anyways, Anyone who wants to register an account for the drawing:

http://helgaitdraft.stubedore.com/

Just so you know, This is not your character that will be entered into the drawing, You will beable to add that once im done. Right now, you can just register ur account >.>

And Please:

DO NOT USE YOUR FIESTA PASSWORD WHEN REGISTERING!

Thanks :)

[grannysboy]

There are around 3000 guilds. why do you think you have the right to tell all those people that only 3 guilds get to kill Helga?
BTW i've been in many raids and no i don't have one and one day i hope to but its not that serious. try having fun for once and stop complaining.

If you had read this whole thread you would have seen that a schedule would actually open up time where people who are not members of one these three would actually have a chance to get a drop. because at the nightly raids its basically members of the same guilds that get them. i dont know your defination of fair is, but this doesnt fit mine.

[kevinyou40]

No offence or anything, But I don't think there is any other guild that can....

Anyways, Anyone who wants to register an account for the drawing:

http://helgaitdraft.stubedore.com/

Just so you know, This is not your character that will be entered into the drawing, You will beable to add that once im done. Right now, you can just register ur account >.>

And Please:

DO NOT USE YOUR FIESTA PASSWORD WHEN REGISTERING!

Thanks :)

The point isn't if they can or can't, but they have the right to try as much as the so called large guilds.

[blackmagic95]

The point isn't if they can or can't, but they have the right to try as much as the so called large guilds.

Agreed 100% that they have the right to try.

[kevinyou40]

If you had read this whole thread you would have seen that a schedule would actually open up time where people who are not members of one these three would actually have a chance to get a drop. because at the nightly raids its basically members of the same guilds that get them. i dont know your defination of fair is, but this doesnt fit mine.

I have seen many diffrent guilds at the raids and i have seen alot of weps in the hands of other guilds not just the big ones. I also know people that go and give away the wep they don't need. they don't get all of them.

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

No offence or anything, But I don't think there is any other guild that can....

Anyways, Anyone who wants to register an account for the drawing:

http://helgaitdraft.stubedore.com/

Just so you know, This is not your character that will be entered into the drawing, You will beable to add that once im done. Right now, you can just register ur account >.>

And Please:

DO NOT USE YOUR FIESTA PASSWORD WHEN REGISTERING!

Thanks :)

now that the website is up etc....

so when are helga raids usually held?

Lvl requirements etc?

At least now I am a bit motivated towards joining the raids.:cool:

[grannysboy]

Helga schedule would not work. why?
Is because drama already starting and it doesn't revolve around the three guilds previously said by Hero.
Yes everyone who works hard deserve helgaits. I personally should recommend silent or desu should be up for the next fighter drops. I seen there hardwork in action and quiet frankly they deserve the best. Im just disappointed that they never gotten there helgaits is because not many fighter drops were dropping at that time. So what Bobbiness said is what right atm until we can finally solve this solution. Party that get the drops has the right to keep, give away or do whatever they want with it.

Why is Legendary so opposed to a raid schedule? Afraid it will mean they wont get anymore? Afraid they will get fewer? This steadfast opposition just makes them seem greedy to me. I think a schedule better for ALL of Epith. Yes it means potentially fewer drops for Leg ,Sp3c(which i am a member of), and Azmii. But it means that far more players will have a legitimate chance to EARN their own Helgait. Instead of having to buy , beg for , or steal 1.

I too agree that Silent and Des are deserving of Helgaits, why dont you give them one of yours?

[grannysboy]

I have seen many diffrent guilds at the raids and i have seen alot of weps in the hands of other guilds not just the big ones. I also know people that go and give away the wep they don't need. they don't get all of them.

The truth is that the drops are basically always collected by the same 2-3 parties. Yes many different guild attend , but most attendees have no real chance. I personally am a member of Sp3ctral, attend most raids, and have 1 hg axe. I would love to see others have a fair chance at suceeding.

[Shadowscizor]

Why is Legendary so opposed to a raid schedule? Afraid it will mean they wont get anymore? Afraid they will get fewer? This steadfast opposition just makes them seem greedy to me. I think a schedule better for ALL of Epith. Yes it means potentially fewer drops for Leg ,Sp3c(which i am a member of), and Azmii. But it means that far more players will have a legitimate chance to EARN their own Helgait. Instead of having to buy , beg for , or steal 1.

I too agree that Silent and Des are deserving of Helgaits, why dont you give them one of yours?

lol if i had one i would have done so. I don't have any fighter helgaits but of other class beside fighters.

[Inorruk]

Personally I think the AZUMII, Legendary, and Sp3ctral should take turns taking out helga.

As for the previous schedule, I was informed that one guild fowled that up, the monopolizing one. I, however, lack the patience to search through the forums to find out what really happened, I instead opt to take the general consensus.


One other thing I should have mentioned,

Killing helga is a collective effort, isn't it wrong to profit from that? I mean really, no one party can kill helga alone, they have to have assistance from how mant other people?

But still, you see the vendors charging who knows how much gold, for an item they couldn't have gotten on their own.

A schedule, no matter who makes it, will not work, if a schedule came about where one guild gets helga each day, there would still be problems, what if the day one guild was given no one from their guild could make it? What if some 'tard decided to ruin the raid? The guild who had to miss the raid, or if their raid got ruined, would feel that they were cheated out of their day, and want their turn back. And if a guild got 2 Hellgait Axes on their raid day (Because of Fighter's being the most played class, Axes are the most wanted Hellgait drop, or at least on Apoline thats how it is) but the other guild raided and got 2 bows (Archers on Apoline are pretty scarce, especially capped archers) The guild that got the axes would be happy, but the other guild who got bows would feel a little cheated... And then you can figure in the "If we can raid, and get Hellgaits, why not raid?" Factor, kinda kills the likelyhood that a schedule would work. As for your "Killing helga is a collective effort, isn't it wrong to profit from that? I mean really, no one party can kill helga alone, they have to have assistance from how mant other people?" thing, I do agree, that Helga is a collective effort, but that doesn't mean that someone who gets a Hellgait should give it up, If you were a person who had multiple Hellgaits, would you be giving them away to people who went to raids? I think not.


How many of you help with the raids?

How many of you actually have a helgait?

How many of you know people who never go to the raids but have a helgait?

How many of you know people who never go to the raids and have multiple helgaits?

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits?

How many of you know someone, or know of someone who has multiple helgaits, and wants more for themselves even though they dont have a character that can use said desired helgait?



I've helped in raids, I dont have a helgait.

I know of people who have never been to as little as one raid and have multiple helgaits.

I know of people who have up to five helgaits and want more for themselves even though they dont have a character that can use it.



All I want to know, is whats going on?

One guild, and we all know who it is, monopolizes helga. Either by hoarding, or trying to sell them for excessive ammounts, they deprive the rest of us on the server the chance to own a helgait of our own.


And so I propose to all of you, a Helga raid schedule. So that not just one guild and their friends can continue to dominate the server.

The three largest and most powerful guilds should be taking turns defeating helga.

I for one, refuse to offer my services in the raids untill such conditions are met to make certain that after the new cap everyone at, above, or approaching lv 91 get a chance to own a helgait.

And I encourage every other raider, SC user or not, to do the same.

I myself only have one Hellgait, Other people in my guild who do not raid as religiously as me and others do, but still have raided, or at least tried to, have Helgaits, or at least some do, Don't know anyone who has never raided and has multiple Hellgaits, and I do know people who sell Hellgaits, and have multiple. As for "Hoarding" Hellgaits, what do you expect them to do? Give Hellgaits away? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Why would anyone give something like that away to some random person? As for selling them, I look at it as, they are giving others an oppurtunity to own a Hellgait, Hellgaits being VERY expensive, makes sense, I mean, they are the very best weapons available in this game right now, So doesn't it make sense that they are expensive? Think of back in the day when blue weapons were rare, if someone was selling one, you would be paying 20g+ for a +0 blue weapon with bad stats, would you expect Hellgaits to sell for like... 20g? I think not, the way I look at it, Hellgaits are for the Elite players, and aren't for just anyone who decides to show up at the tomb and say they helped, If you can be alive at the time Helga dies, and pick up the drops, you deserved them, or if you have the money to afford one, you deserve to have a Hellgait. Otherwise, you probably don't deserve one. "I for one, refuse to offer my services in the raids untill such conditions are met to make certain that after the new cap everyone at, above, or approaching lv 91 get a chance to own a helgait." You're just lowering your chances of getting a Hellgait by not going, and you now showing up isin't going to stop them from Raiding, or killing Helga, so as Noble as your protest is, It's pretty useless...

YOU have a HELGA weapon?!

I've wasted countless charms, extenders, scrolls etc in countless raids.
And I do not not help "lightly". I go all the way in the front, actually HELP GET HELGA, tank kallaps, etc.

Awesome, I cannot possibly explain my rage.

A schedule should be made.
NOT JUST FOR THE DAMN BIG GUILDS.

Lol, Jealousy much? Why are you mad because someone else has a Hellgait and you don't? Are you going to whine saying "Its Not Fair, Its Not Fair!" Well you know, obviously that person either has been lucky enough to get a drop from raiding, or has a friend who was nice enough to give them one. And you saying that you have "wasted" so many scrolls and charms and extenders seems like you are assuming that they haven't either... Just because you have spent more money on raiding then someone else doesn't mean you should have one over anyone else... And the little guilds can't do a solo-guild raid, as far as I know there are only 2 guilds that would be able to do a solo raid, and those 2 guilds have. When it all comes down to it, LIFE ISIN'T FAIR! It isin't in Real Life, It isin't in Fiesta. You should realize that, you'll get farther.

I propose a completely different solution. Make Helga an instace and turn Hellgaits non-tradable. Tada. Now everyone gets a chance to pwn Helga and get a Hellgait but it doesn't throw the economy down the toilet. :D

Lol, Making Helga an instance and making Hellgaits non tradeable would be a bit of a Stupid idea to me, nobody would ever want to do the instance after they got the drops they wanted, and Outspark would lose money. Outspark will do whatever makes them the most money, You can't really think that they would trade in making hundreds of dollars a day for Helga Raids, for making it an instance and nobody wanting to do them and them making very little money.

[nab753]

use my solution :P use the Dragon tomb rules to Helga tomb....only 1 big party gets in and helga is only meant to kill by that party only and the drops goes to them...that way people can make any kind of party they want wit anyone from any guild. Also each guild can pt up with themselves also, beat helga, get hellgaits witout interfering other guilds...this way no fighting, no drama, lotsa hellgaits for all ^^ outspark should really consider this :)



peace

[Shadowscizor]

Also i would like to add that Legendary guild does not go against the raid schedule if it is put up right! "If we forget the major priority and agree to the terms we leave all the minority and the other guilds would be unhappy" said Hero. Meaning before someone mentioning that the 3 top guild taking turn on helga is wrong and we oppose this schedule. If schedule was made for all guilds that thinks they have a shot on helga we do not oppose. We strongly agree that other guilds beside the 3 guilds should have a fair chance at helga. Even so people might think we 3 guilds can only take down helga...why not let others try they may do it as well.

[dawg18st]

Personally I think the AZUMII, Legendary, and Sp3ctral should take turns taking out helga.

As for the previous schedule, I was informed that one guild fowled that up, the monopolizing one. I, however, lack the patience to search through the forums to find out what really happened, I instead opt to take the general consensus.


One other thing I should have mentioned,

Killing helga is a collective effort, isn't it wrong to profit from that? I mean really, no one party can kill helga alone, they have to have assistance from how mant other people?

But still, you see the vendors charging who knows how much gold, for an item they couldn't have gotten on their own.

:cool: sorry Bud this thread takes alot of balls to post you guys are pulling out the hat and forgetting some simple but difficult details. No you cant exclude anyone from the raids no we dont have the authority to tell others to leave and yes there is details in the TOS were you cannot use tactics to remove someone from a spot


simplere terms

1. Legendary Sp3ctraL and Azumi isnt the only guilds on the server

2. things have been going very well

3. cannot exclude the minority guilds that choose to take part in these raids

4. are system has been working well daily people that attend the raids have been getting drops we all do equal part in bringing helga down as a group why not share

5. and yes helgaits are a sensitive subject because some of you are very impatient I have given away every drop I got yet I have not missed 1 raid

im sure i could go on forever talking about this so im gonna say im gonna end my speech here you guys are probably thinking Hero shutup we get it but seriously think of the efferct of something like this when things are going smoothly not just your own interest thanks

Hero_Fame lvl 89 warrior

[Shadowscizor]

use my solution :P use the Dragon tomb rules to Helga tomb....only 1 big party gets in and helga is only meant to kill by that party only and the drops goes to them...that way people can make any kind of party they want wit anyone from any guild. Also each guild can pt up with themselves also, beat helga, get hellgaits witout interfering other guilds...this way no fighting, no drama, lotsa hellgaits for all ^^ outspark should really consider this :)



peace


LMAO your idea will totally not work at all and here's why.
~If they made helga like dragon tomb is be impossible to beat
~1 party cannot take out mass of kallaps
~helga heal himself and one party does not have the man power to take him down
~its a effort, a challenge for all of us to work together and take him down. You should already know this sense you been in raid and why not consider thinking before you act.
that is why helga is not like dragon tomb

[nab753]

Also i would like to add that Legendary guild does not go against the raid schedule if it is put up right! "If we forget the major priority and agree to the terms we leave all the minority and the other guilds would be unhappy" said Hero. Meaning before someone mentioning that the 3 top guild taking turn on helga is wrong and we oppose this schedule. If schedule was made for all guilds that thinks they have a shot on helga we do not oppose. We strongly agree that other guilds beside the 3 guilds should have a fair chance at helga. Even so people might think we 3 guilds can only take down helga...why not let others try they may do it as well.

lols if Legendary is so nice then how come almost everyone here complaining about your guild? How come you the only one defending it? and how come your "nice" guild gets chain warred everyday in game by different people?...who knows...maybe your right and everyone else in the game is just crazy ^^

[nab753]

LMAO your idea will totally not work at all and here's why.
~If they made helga like dragon tomb is be impossible to beat
~1 party cannot take out mass of kallaps
~helga heal himself and one party does not have the man power to take him down
~its a effort, a challenge for all of us to work together and take him down.
that is why helga is not like dragon tomb

Maybe u missed out the part where i said "1 big party"...i meant the party would contain more then 5 people....like a party of 20 should be introduced

[dawg18st]

Personally I think the AZUMII, Legendary, and Sp3ctral should take turns taking out helga.

As for the previous schedule, I was informed that one guild fowled that up, the monopolizing one. I, however, lack the patience to search through the forums to find out what really happened, I instead opt to take the general consensus.


One other thing I should have mentioned,

Killing helga is a collective effort, isn't it wrong to profit from that? I mean really, no one party can kill helga alone, they have to have assistance from how mant other people?

But still, you see the vendors charging who knows how much gold, for an item they couldn't have gotten on their own.

i find it mildly ironic that this 'one monopolising guild' of which you speak actually has less helgaits than other guilds

i'm not in any of the big guilds, and i've given away countless helgaits, and yes, i have kept some for me, my friends and guilds. in fact, i've only every seen one guild deliberate say "i'm not joining your party, you're not in my guild", and it wasn't the one people say is the monopoliser.

are you saying i don't deserve to have the ones i have?
or that the people i personally deem worthy shouldn't have gotten one?

there are only a finite number of helgaits, and if one person gets gifted one, someone else didn't - but who are you to say that you deserve one more than someone else

if i spend 4 days farming for an end ring, and you spend 20 minutes and get one, do i get it? cause i've worked harder than you to get one?

if i spend 6 weeks farming GHS for a godly life set, and you walk in and get one on your first kill - do you give it to me?

helga is exactly the same - those that win get to decide what they do with their winnings, wether it's keep it, donate it, sell it, npc it, whatever they want to do with it.

this "one monopolosing guild" of which you speak keeps the ones they want, and gives the rest away - i'm the same, and to say i'm from a big guild requires a whole new defininion of 'big' - i'm rarely in a party of just one guild (not including my own), our party is quite often mixed, and it's rarely the same people 2 days in a row, giving more people a chance.

i do know of one guild, who never seems to be in the flaming wars, who hides under the radar, but actually genuinly hoards them to sell after the raise when the value will go up again, but noone ever questions that, because it's too important that A & L fight every day about nothing and everything

and people wonder why i don't want to join a 'big' guild, or even temporarily join just to help in wars - recently, a lot of the drama has disappeared out of the raids, they used to be hellish and nightmareish, and now, with this thread, it's all been dug up again, and all the stupid and childish poo that has disappeared will come back, and you "older" players will once again ruin a perfectly good game for those new players.

just get off your high horse and accept that things are as they are - you either win, or you don't - it's the same for mining, getting sap, getting boss drops and getting helga drops.

and if you think for one second i don't deserve any of my helgaits for me, i invite you to expplain exactly why that is - and then, you can talk the 15 people (yes fifteen) that i've given one to for no monetary or other reward into giving them back to me so thati have more than the 390 silver i currently have.

i'm sick and tired of being the nice one, the good one, the one that helps for no reward or thank you, the one who gives away valuable things to others, the one who has to be the voice and reason and calm everyone down only to end up having nothing to show for it. i've worked damn hard on my cleric, and my archer, and i've earned every single thing i've gotten. i don't sit and cry and throw my toys out the pram when things don't go my way, i just live with it, and either buck up and buy something from someone else, or just keep slogging on day after day after boring day trying to get the things i want for myself without complaining.

so, you either give me all the things you have, or shut up and just either take part in the raids, or don't - noone forces you to, noone tells you to buy charms etc - noone tells you it's the end of the world if you don't show up

i don't go to every single raid, but people expect me to - i get hundreds of whispers if i'm not there telling me it's on - apparently i'm the only person with a clock to even know when it is each day - and there are things i want for my own use, but when i don't get them, i don't cry about it - i carry on trying until it happens - or, i give up and move on to my next project

you need to get those damn sticks out your damn bottoms and learn to play properly - it's a GAME - a FANTASY roly playing game at that - it's not somewhere for you to come and make everyoen else that wants to play a living hell.

there could be 8000 bugs in this game, and it wouldn't matter, it's still a game - but it takes just one selfish moron to go around making everyone's gameplay a nightmare to make a perfect game with zero bugs an unhappy place to be

i've kept quiet on this subject for too long, and more and more people are in my ban list because of it

either raid, or don't - you will either win, or you won't - people will either ggive you things for free, or they won't

that's life - live with it - or quit the game and make 100 other players happy.

well smoken Bobbi <3

[Shadowscizor]

lols if Legendary is so nice then how come almost everyone here complaining about your guild? How come you the only one defending it? and how come your "nice" guild gets chain warred everyday in game by different people?...who knows...maybe your right and everyone else in the game is just crazy ^^

Oo the only people that complain about us is just those 2 guilds and not everyone. yes we do get chain war everyday by that someone who we know and it can be i dunno person im talking to now Oo. Why changing the subject now nabbb huh. Last time i check we were talking about helga schedule and not guild issues not related to helga.

[dawg18st]

ok here is the deal and updates about helgait weapons.

1. The one guild u guys talking about thats always taking helgait weapons and too greedy too pass em out is no longer capable. AZUMI and Sp3ctral team up in every raid and tries to outnumber those people to get the hellgaits. We make sure they dont get any hellgaits ^^

2. Everyone joined Legendary to get hellgaits and after they get them they are leaving which means they aren't good enough to get anymore hellgaits anyway.

3. AZUMI an Sp3c team, unlike the other guild arent selfish -.- we share our hellgaits and trade them back and forth making sure everyone that shows up in every raids and tries their hardest deserves a hellgait. So if ur one of those people contact Addi or F0rtune and they will keep u in their list...cuz those 2 r the happiest/nicest nubs there is lols :P

4. I feel bad for the fact that only big 3 guilds get all the drops and small times guilds have virtually no chance of getting one. I think a solution for this is to make helga tomb same as Dragon tomb where only 1 big party can get in and do the raid separately from other parties and only party to get the drops. That way that party do not have to be people from top guilds but instead they can be strong people from all different guilds working together to kill helga and share the drops. So my solution to all this arguments isto Turn Helga Tomb just like Dragon Tomb and apply the same rules as DT.

oh really i think you speak for yourself here nabbb if this was so it would make all of azumi and sp3c greedy and i know the majority dont think this way not gonna mention names but they actually ahve fun and are very nice:D stop with these pointless threads

[Shadowscizor]

Maybe u missed out the part where i said "1 big party"...i meant the party would contain more then 5 people....like a party of 20 should be introduced

well if you forgotten what you said "use the Dragon tomb rules to Helga tomb" Dragon tomb rules is with 5 people and no more.

[dawg18st]

this wont work for 2 reasons

1. AZUMI/Sp3c will agree but not leg lol

2. even if Hero_Fame agreed his leg members wont care and show up and take hellgaits anyway lols


wow down boy Hero_Fame nor any one of Legendary or the smaller guilds will take part in such a event we are blinded by the idea of posession for only are guilds or to overlook the negativity and drama that will follow educate yourself on the mistakes we made before and watch the comments there bordering blacklisting have a nice day

[spookyiness]

you've all proved my original point to a tee
you can't even discuss it without needing to get rulers out to see who is the biggest...

the raids have been getting better and better, every day 2 more people get a helgait, or at least, 2 more helgaits get thrown in the pot, there is nothing wrong with the way things are now - the schedule will never work because logistically it's just not deasible - changing the way the dungeon works partywise isn't even an option, the point of the thread was to find ways for some people who believe they are more deserving of others to get drops sooner rather than later, not offer up 2 million ideas on how os or oos can make changes - they won't make changes, they have no need to.

the mere fact that this thread ALMOST came to an agreement until a few more people came into the mix and stirred the pot and it suddently became a flame war about my guild is better than your guild - one guild hoards, so we DELIBERATELY work towards preventing that (which is equally barbaric and selfish in it's own right) just goes to prove further that no agreement will EVER been made about how things should go.

recently, everyone turns up for the raid from numerous guilds - many people join in the raids from numerous guilds - there seems to be 3 or 4 primary parties that usually get the drops - those parties consist of the big 3 and some random guilds - whomever gets the drops swears blind they only keep what they would personally use, distribute to their "deserving" guildmates or friends, or find other members of epith they deem worthy to recieve it - there is NOTHING wrong with that.

the only time things start to go downhill are when there are deliberate attempts to sabotage certain parties from winning, or when people lie about what they give away, or make promises to one person but then break those promises.

just leave things be - slowly, but surely, people are getting their helgaits - if you don't have one, stop damn well crying about it, and help helga go down - noone is forcing you to spend a penny on spark cash items, it's already been asscertained that 4 primary parties usually get the drop anyway, let them spend the money - eventually you'll get your drops.

of all the flaming, feces throwing, accusaions, and other poo, the people in question have been very honorable with drops, sacrificing their own to make others happy - maybe if you didn't get them so many problems and flame them, you'd be at the top of the list for the next one. I've only seen 2 or 3 fighter drops up for genuine sale, none of which are by the ones accused of hoarding or selling - the biggest argument seems to be over fighter drops and nothing else. if there are only 10 axes on the whole server, how can ANYONE possibly complain that they don't have one.

learn to be patient, put your pants back on, cause we don't care how big yours is and get on with the raids - you are the BIG THREE guilds of the server, you should be setting an example for everyone else on the server, and the example you set is that petty fights and stupid childish arguments are not only acceptable, but they are a necessary part of every day life.

why are you changing again - things were really starting to calm down on the server - the raids were getting fairer and fairer - the chainwars and stupid declarations forcing raid parties to stick to their own guild rather than allowing them to help the lesser guilds were stopping, and here you all are starting it all up again

you should all be ashamed of yourselves - i, for one, am ashamed to be associated with many of you now

[dawg18st]

~ case and point ~

u barely show up in any raid and u have multiple HG of ur own and u said u gave away 4-6...so u have 10+ hellgaits when i doubt u even joined 5 raids O_o got anything else to say to screw urself up even more?


Nabbb personally i havent seen u at any and if u was you didnt stand out haha were was u hiding Nouly ahs been to just about everyone

[grannysboy]

Im sorry to say that this thread is 100% worthless until the leaders of Sp3c, leg , and Azumii actually get together and and discuss this. I propose a 4 day rotation. One for each of these three guild and 1 "open" day where none of these the guilds go in, so all the other player have a chance too. I highly doubt a schedule will ever happen, but it definately wouldnt hurt to talk about it.

I posted this eariler.

Ive noticed something about this thread. The people that are saying life isnt fair, get over it , blah blah blah. Seem to be the ones who already have the drops they desire and more. Its easy to have this attitude when you are getting what you desire. Why is it that those who have the most already so strongly oppose a schedule? How about a little compassoin for your fellow player? Why not open up atleast the possiblity that they will have a chance?

[spookyiness]

I posted this eariler.

Ive noticed something about this thread. The people that are saying life isnt fair, get over it , blah blah blah. Seem to be the ones who already have the drops they desire and more. Its easy to have this attitude when you are getting what you desire. Why is it that those who have the most already so strongly oppose a schedule? How about a little compassoin for your fellow player? Why not open up atleast the possiblity that they will have a chance?

whereas that is true, the same can be said about those that go against the 'get over it' aspect are those that don't have one yet, and feel that it's unfair.

i go to all the raids, help whomever i help that day, regardless of their 'allegiance' - i don't want anything more for me, i never did expect to ever get a helgait, but i did, and i like to think i've earnt it now, i like to think i'm a valuable member of the raids - i'm not saying it's fail without me, no one person can say that, and i'm certainly not that arrogant. but the appreciation i get when i give someone a helgait that i've won makes me tingly - i'll admit that - i enjoy helping people - i'm natually a giving person - you yourself have negotiated soemthing for your archer from me next time/if i'm lucky enough to get another drop - and i knwo you'll be appreciative.

but to say that all the people who say you just have ot be patient have the wrong motives, you are wrong - i'm no saint, i'm not the daughter of god (not publicly anyway) - but i like to think that with the drops i get, or negotiate for from other people, that i give away to other players makes me a nice person - a giving person, and maybe even a respected person.

i could care less if people complain that i decided today that bill got something but ben didn't, they are, after all, only flowerpot men. the point is i'm not always on the winning team, but i have a chance to be because i'm good at what i do - and whe i'm on that team, i don't always get a drop, it's a 2 in 5 chance, but quite often i don't even geta blue, and i don't complain that i didn't get anything even though i did my job correctly and noone died. but when i do get them, i get MANY whispers immediately begging for whatever it is, and people pressure me, and start calling me names, or start to be mean, just because i'm working my way through all the whispers, and when i finally make my choice as to who gets what, i get more name calling - is THAT fair? should i not be on the forums whining and complaining that i get no thanks from people when they know damn well i will eventually get round to them if i still get lucky enough to get more drops, but today decided, say, i wanted a hammer for ME.

when i got my shield, several people called me selfish, that they deserved it far more, and may of the whispers and shouts were multiple *'s because of the filters - like _I_ got the drop in my inventory - i'm a cleric, i don't have a shield, why on earth should i be forced to give that up on the slight offchance that i'll get another one later? THAT isn't fair.

some people have helgaits. some people are selfish with helgaits. some people are giving with helgaits. some people don't have them, but are probably on personal lists for givaways

yes, the selfish ones appear on the surface to be bad, but if they got the drop, they have every single right to do whatever they choose with it, it's theirs, just like every other drop in the game.

and yes, it's sad that there just aren't enough drops, specifically fighter drops i'm sure, to make everyone on the server happy, but eventually, those people that do raid WILL get their drops, they will get their gifts - then we'll see how greatful they are about it, because frankly, i'm getting a little tired of being made out to be a bad person because i reward one person over another.

you have NO IDEA how many whispers i get before, during and after the raids with "i want such and such drop" "do i get this if it drops" "what dropped, can i have it" and blah blah blah. Like i get everything, which i never do - and i've never tried to influence anyone to give someone else their drop - i'll offer my advice if it's requested, but i respect the fact that they got it.

just as everyone else should respect the same - even if the same person keeps getting it over and over again - of all the primary parties that are winning parties, they all claim to share their duplicate drops inside and outside of their guild - so they ARE being given out - 2 a day is a slow trickle, but it's a trickle nonetheless, and the more people complain and complain and act impatient, and start fights and flames and name calling, the less likely those people are to get one.

i tell you now, if someone is on my list, and they are openly rude to me about any of my personal choices, they get bumped down the list. i've even removed people from my personal lists because of their conduct and attitude.

the world does not revolve around 1 player, it is a group effort in a group game with limited rewards - patience is the key, and those that have get their just rewards - those that act childish and believe that they, above everyone else, deserves to have everything, and everyone else deserves to have nothing, do not deserve to get anything from me.

why is it fair for those that wait to complain that they have to wait, but those of us that actually go out of our way to make other players happy for free have to suffer the wrath and namecalling? that isn't a world i want to live in

and people wonder why when i'm questing, i prefer to do everything solo


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and for what it's worth, you are at the top of my personal 'archer' list, and still are

[boo18white]

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed yet. All threads bout hellgaits/helga do is cause nothing but drama, drama, drama.

[dawg18st]

I posted this eariler.

Ive noticed something about this thread. The people that are saying life isnt fair, get over it , blah blah blah. Seem to be the ones who already have the drops they desire and more. Its easy to have this attitude when you are getting what you desire. Why is it that those who have the most already so strongly oppose a schedule? How about a little compassoin for your fellow player? Why not open up atleast the possiblity that they will have a chance?


compassion i think we showed more then enough we give to anyone not just guild mates like nabbb stated above about sp3c and azumi holding there own eh not my words kinda harsh yes? but listen this would solve a fact of are 3 guilds getting drops and cut them outt of it im strongly against it and i speak for the people of the server they wont tolerate being concidered in a lesser manner they choose to be at the raids and show there potential nobody in there right mind would take the oppertunity from them they show me and my guildys there determination i strongly encourage my guildys to give over what they dont need and if it means someone offering them some chunk of change in game then so be it even good will causes the expense of money i know these raids take a toll on are wallet as well as in game money but things are shaping up on the server if you guys allow it nabbb stop with the negativity and we all will get along ;)

[gigibunny]

compassion i think we showed more then enough we give to anyone not just guild mates like nabbb stated above about sp3c and azumi holding there own eh not my words kinda harsh yes? but listen this would solve a fact of are 3 guilds getting drops and cut them outt of it im strongly against it and i speak for the people of the server they wont tolerate being concidered in a lesser manner they choose to be at the raids and show there potential nobody in there right mind would take the oppertunity from them they show me and my guildys there determination i strongly encourage my guildys to give over what they dont need and if it means someone offering them some chunk of change in game then so be it even good will causes the expense of money i know these raids take a toll on are wallet as well as in game money but things are shaping up on the server if you guys allow it nabbb stop with the negativity and we all will get along ;)

well I have to say if we ALL stop with the negativity here and everyone knows what I mean...

We were discussing whether or not a schedule could be created....and yes we all know that you can easily divulge a good amount of SC into an event such as this with hopes of it all rewarding itself in the end.

meh we all know that "strongly suggesting" something can only go so far , we know that some have multiple Helgas and lots of people go to raids and come up with nothing...there are those with 'lists' of people to 'share'....

Interesting discussions so far...

Soo we all oppose the schedule - idea of a schedule - and sharing? Our community here is working to help distribute Helga drops then? The guilds are all happily working towards helping others out and not their own? We can all agree on something? hmmm....

This idea would never have been proposed if someone/people hadn't noticed something wrong...the thread wasn't brought up for all the arguments/finger-pointing a lot of people have taken it down...

What have we done? Have we proven to the rest of Epith that we can deal with such a matter responsibly? How did other people before us deal with such a task? How do we explain to all those under us (and believe me, they are a-coming) how to deal with it as well? We are proving that we can or cannot deal with something like this?

and yes I am sorry....I went off on a tangent there...

Can we at least try the proposed system once...if not to prove a point, but to see if it can or not succeed? I have more questions about the schedule I will be asking today..

<333 Epith

[death168]

lol spheris all u did was copy Meek and Neon's idea about a helga raid scedule in Teva...
at least give them some credit for it


copy my foot, i was the one who make the time table before any others server started it, now you guys feel the pain of spending sc 1000 times and see some hackers/bypasser hog it everyday ^^. i started out with a time table for 6 guild and a epith and its a rotation plan, ended up some greedy guild broke the treaty LOL.

[kristylynn]

I vote they make them all back to 120 lvl weps.

That way I will be the first to be able to use them all. ;) :p

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH:eek:

And I am ticked they obsoleted my 95 weps after I held on to them and they weren't deleted. :p

"Can't we all just get along" :confused:

How many behave like this in real life? I don't care what anyone says this game is an extension of "YOU".

[BainS-NT]

Hell, I won't say anything about greed, but in all honesty its worth it to give it a shot.
If it fails then it fails and we go back to regular schedule. The fighters generally don't get a real shot at hellgaits because the drops are so rare, I think that all three guilds have a decent amount of hellgaits to make it to the cap raise, don't you think we owe the other people a favor to get a drop of their own.
And if your making the schedule, make it favourable to the top 3 guilds so they don't have a problem with it. If you think about it 1 raid in 4 days or 5 days for the server is still more amount you'd be getting anyways, and you guys get the chance to kill it / priority of who gets what. And I guarantee you when you've never got the helga kill, the feeling of getting it is hella good haha.
Look, Azumi/sp3c are starting to get the drops now too, and I know how hella worried alot of the people are that they'll be left out without a hellgait, because some people won't get a hellgait because they are not "liked" for whatever reason by the guilds getting the drops.
Just throwing it out there.

[desuraifu]

well i am going to say my peace. I have been to dozens or raids helped many in game and some out of game. i also have helped out many guilds on my side and against me at times. I have been there when a hellgait 1h has dropped. it got pasted to palace. why cause apparently viet saw her more deserving. During that raid i had no ext and only 20% charm. i was fighting off mobs of clerics and readded ppl to party. So pp can say few fighter drops drop. But even when i was in party when my party got i got passed over.

[grannysboy]

compassion i think we showed more then enough we give to anyone not just guild mates like nabbb stated above about sp3c and azumi holding there own eh not my words kinda harsh yes? but listen this would solve a fact of are 3 guilds getting drops and cut them outt of it im strongly against it and i speak for the people of the server they wont tolerate being concidered in a lesser manner they choose to be at the raids and show there potential nobody in there right mind would take the oppertunity from them they show me and my guildys there determination i strongly encourage my guildys to give over what they dont need and if it means someone offering them some chunk of change in game then so be it even good will causes the expense of money i know these raids take a toll on are wallet as well as in game money but things are shaping up on the server if you guys allow it nabbb stop with the negativity and we all will get along ;)

Hero you never have,dont now, and never will speak for the people of epith.

I for 1 have been to many raids. I took he over 30 to finally get the drop i wanted. I personally would NEVER accept a handout because i was deemed "deserving". I take great pride in earning what i have. I think there are many others who feel the same way. I would love for them to achieve the same feeling of satisfaction you, me, and so few other have by defeating helga and EARNING their own HG.
The only thing standing in their way is a select few individuals, who for some reason i still dont understand, dont want a schedule (most of whom already multiple HGs). As long as your guild denies a schedule things will go on as usual and the same few people will continue getting all the HG drops.
I dont speak for the people of Epith. But id like to think that there are some people out there that share my point-of-view.

Heres a breakdown of what party of drops at last 5 raids: spec/azumii, spec /azumii, legendary, Sp3c/azumii, legendary.
Do you see a pattern here?

[vandaluske]

well i am going to say my peace. I have been to dozens or raids helped many in game and some out of game. i also have helped out many guilds on my side and against me at times. I have been there when a hellgait 1h has dropped. it got pasted to palace. why cause apparently viet saw her more deserving. During that raid i had no ext and only 20% charm. i was fighting off mobs of clerics and readded ppl to party. So pp can say few fighter drops drop. But even when i was in party when my party got i got passed over.

Yes, you and Sil3nt_assasin they both have been to countless raids charmed and on ext. I know i have no say in this bcuz i dont attend raids on this server but im speaking up for my friend who doesnt go the forums. Sil3nt has gone to many raids and actually got his hands on Hg that werent for Fighters and gave them away ( He still doesnt have one). Rotation of Guilds Schedule will almost ensure he will nvr get one. Random pick, whats the chances? I think there should be a poll to vote for People who really deserve them and DONT have one i nominate Sil3nt_assasin.

Where is the damm Sport'sman ship must you look at the tag above a charecters name to determine if he is deserving or not, good or bad?

[Celtic_Princess]

This thread seems to be heading more towards flaming/blacklisting regarding who gets Hellgaits now. Something tells me that wasn't the OPs intention in asking if a schedule should be created.
I'm sure there are lots of deserving people who don't have Hellgait weps, thats the problem when there's only 2 hellgaits a raid and 30+ people raiding. Please get back to the topic on hand.

Thanks! :)

[boo18white]

Yes, you and Sil3nt_assasin they both have been to countless raids charmed and on ext. I know i have no say in this bcuz i dont attend raids on this server but im speaking up for my friend who doesnt go the forums. Sil3nt has gone to many raids and actually got his hands on Hg that werent for Fighters and gave them away ( He still doesnt have one). Rotation of Guilds Schedule will almost ensure he will nvr get one. Random pick, whats the chances? I think there should be a poll to vote for People who really deserve them and DONT have one i nominate Sil3nt_assasin.

Where is the damm Sport'sman ship must you look at the tag above a charecters name to determine if he is deserving or not, good or bad?

I think a poll to vote who gets the next helgait for their class could be a good idea but will only work if everyone starts acting like adults instead of like little kids wantin all the candy(hellgaits) for themselves. I'd nominate the following (if they dont have one already):
Fighter- Sil3nt_Assassin(for all the raids he attends and work he does during them)
Archer- Rufio(aka tent-for all his hard work in settin up raids b4 the slautering of helga began and helpin as much as he can now)
Cleric- Orona_kun(same reason as tent)
Mage- cant think of anyone atm but im sure theres someone that deserves one.

[vandaluske]

This thread seems to be heading more towards flaming/blacklisting regarding who gets Hellgaits now. Something tells me that wasn't the OPs intention in asking if a schedule should be created.
I'm sure there are lots of deserving people who don't have Hellgait weps, thats the problem when there's only 2 hellgaits a raid and 30+ people raiding. Please get back to the topic on hand.

Thanks! :)

2x30 = 60 Drops in just 1 month. One Month, how many capped people do you think we have on Epith?

kthxbai

Ontopic : I have seen more then 6 people with multiple Hg.

[Shadowscizor]

OMg you people are so unbelievable....Look what happen when someone brought up this ridiculous thread and a mass of people argue who get what. I say stut up and stop crying about it and continue on playing the game. This thread gives me a big headache and just wanna reach my hand through the computer screen and give you all a smack for being whining about helga. You people just want power..power to destroy others quickly in wars and don't even denied this cause its obviously true. They are more others things to fiesta and not weapons that does big damage. close this thread already and save the people from killing themselves over junk that is useless to them IRL that they think the can use it irl sense so much drama is coming out from it like Irl. BYe have a good day

[Saruin]

2x30 = 60 Drops in just 1 month. One Month, how many capped people do you think we have on Epith?

kthxbai

Ontopic : I have seen more then 6 people with multiple Hg.

I don't know how many times I've said this, but I love you juice. xD

I think a poll to vote who gets the next helgait for their class could be a good idea but will only work if everyone starts acting like adults instead of like little kids wantin all the candy(hellgaits) for themselves. I'd nominate the following (if they dont have one already):
Fighter- Sil3nt_Assassin(for all the raids he attends and work he does during them)
Archer- Rufio(aka tent-for all his hard work in settin up raids b4 the slautering of helga began and helpin as much as he can now)
Cleric- Orona_kun(same reason as tent)
Mage- cant think of anyone atm but im sure theres someone that deserves one.

I also vote for Rufio and Orona getting a Helga.

Before all this ultra charm, everyone hogging Helga crap started, they made threads and organized people so they could take Helga, and didn't receive any recognition and I doubt either of them have even one Helga.

OMg you people are so unbelievable....Look what happen when someone brought up this ridiculous thread and a mass of people argue who get what. I say stut up and stop crying about it and continue on playing the game. This thread gives me a big headache and just wanna reach my hand through the computer screen and give you all a smack for being whining about helga. You people just want power..power to destroy others quickly in wars and don't even denied this cause its obviously true. They are more others things to fiesta and not weapons that does big damage. close this thread already and save the people from killing themselves over junk that is useless to them IRL that they think the can use it irl sense so much drama is coming out from it like Irl. BYe have a good day

So the idea of sharing is that much off putting to you, eh?
Figures.

Also, yes, people DO want power because they don't want to feel helpless against people how already have 8674254121 Helgas.

And, the problem is, I wouldn't even mind people having loads of Helgaits, but I know that they can and will be used against us.
People want something they can protect themselves with.

How many times have big guilds declared war just because someone looked at them the wrong way? Countless times. And now, it will be even worse, people are already looking for any excuse as it is to war someone.

[Celtic_Princess]

2x30 = 60 Drops in just 1 month. One Month, how many capped people do you think we have on Epith?

kthxbai

Ontopic : I have seen more then 6 people with multiple Hg.


I don't play on Epith, but if its anything like any other server in Fiesta you don't just have caps participating in the raids.

Anyways, I asked you all to get back on topic and stay away from flaming. It hasn't been done so this thread is now [closed]