Fiesta: Alternative Description

[Transcendence]

fi⋅es⋅ta [fee-es-tuh; Sp. fyes-tah]

One might think from the lovely-dovey intro and flashy advertisements all over the interweb that this game is made for fighting, and action adventuring! You would be highly and profusely incorrect.

This game is designed for pitting people against each other. In one way or another, differences are drawn out, whether in the marketplace, or between guilds. The basis of this game isn't fighting monsters, it's fighting the community.

This game couldn't function solely on it's game-play. It's far outstretching and expansive [/sarcasm] maps and interesting dialogue for quests makes it stand apart from any other MMO out there.

While by the time you've read this, someone's guild warred someone else, the market is either being inflated due to the impending cap lift, and others are undercutting those trying to monopolize the situation, and someone has been abuses in the abyss due to sparkcash or the lack thereof.

The duality of this game is drawn in the fact that you'll need to face the fact that you'll need to pay to be good. Paying for a free game. Ha. I like that. They reel you in with the promise of an action adventure type F2P MMO and let the cut throat community play the rest off.

You can see this by allowing low level players rewards of sparkcash so they can dip their fingers into the advantages of paying to play.

Moreover, allowing someone to sell more, or hit harder in this same aspect enforces the belief that you are required to do so. I'd like to see you grind to 79 without teva or an HP extender. They're outfitting the game so that you're required to do these things, and buy their times. Do you think monsters would hit so hard if such a large mass of the community didn't +9 their armor? And if they didn't hit so hard would we need so many stones?

I hope that you all understand you're completely entitled to your opinions as long as you understand that all that oppose this view are all wrong. Don't try to convince me otherwise. It's pointless and I won't even acknowledge you've posted.

Open your eyes. See this game is fueled by the drama you start, and the community that enforces it.

-Walt

[DF001]

All truth...:3

[fireyair]

fi⋅es⋅ta [fee-es-tuh; Sp. fyes-tah]

Translation: I had to think of something smart to say, so I looked up an online dictionary.

One might think from the lovely-dovey intro and flashy advertisements all over the interweb that this game is made for fighting, and action adventuring! You would be highly and profusely incorrect.

Translation: Outspark is not allowed to properly advertise their game, 'cuz I don't understand how marketing works.

This game is designed for pitting people against each other. In one way or another, differences are drawn out, whether in the marketplace, or between guilds. The basis of this game isn't fighting monsters, it's fighting the community.

Translation: This game is a satanic conspiracy to demolish your heart and soul. Beware.

This game couldn't function solely on it's game-play. It's far outstretching and expansive [/sarcasm] maps and interesting dialogue for quests makes it stand apart from any other MMO out there.

Translation: I think Fiesta should be the same as WoW, screw originality.

While by the time you've read this, someone's guild warred someone else, the market is either being inflated due to the impending cap lift, and others are undercutting those trying to monopolize the situation, and someone has been abuses in the abyss due to sparkcash or the lack thereof.

Translation: this game is running like all proper MMO's do, and I don't like it.

The duality of this game is drawn in the fact that you'll need to face the fact that you'll need to pay to be good. Paying for a free game. Ha. I like that. They reel you in with the promise of an action adventure type F2P MMO and let the cut throat community play the rest off.

Translation: Outspark may not earn profit from Fiesta , since it is free to play.

You can see this by allowing low level players rewards of sparkcash so they can dip their fingers into the advantages of paying to play.

Translation: our young ones are being corrupted by the evils of free stuff.

Moreover, allowing someone to sell more, or hit harder in this same aspect enforces the belief that you are required to do so. I'd like to see you grind to 79 without teva or an HP extender. They're outfitting the game so that you're required to do these things, and buy their times. Do you think monsters would hit so hard if such a large mass of the community didn't +9 their armor? And if they didn't hit so hard would we need so many stones?

Translation: Outspark gave an incentive to use the Cash Shop store, this is another proof that they are trying to earn money.

I hope that you all understand you're completely entitled to your opinions as long as you understand that all that oppose this view are all wrong. Don't try to convince me otherwise. It's pointless and I won't even acknowledge you've posted.

Translation: I am a twelve year old baby who is still positive that he is always right. Worship me.

Open your eyes. See this game is fueled by the drama you start, and the community that enforces it.

Translation: using advanced psychological methods, I will use drama to counter drama. Worship me.

-Walt


Peace:cool:

[Transcendence]

That person missed the entire reason of the post in order to try and defuse the argument into an even larger one. He is a Fiesta-drone. Avoid doing that.

[fireyair]

That person missed the entire reason of the post in order to try and defuse the argument into an even larger one. He is a Fiesta-drone. Avoid doing that.

For us to appreciate the true nature of your post, I'm afraid you will be required to relinquish that "holier than thou" attitude. Sorry.



Peace:cool:

[Transcendence]

Thusly why you missed my point. You thought that my attitude was derived from something that meant that I was trying to force my beliefs on you, whereas it merely represented the fact that I was uninfluenced by yours.

Positive indignant apathy. ;)

[fireyair]

understand that all that oppose this view are all wrong.

You thought that my attitude was derived from something that meant that I was trying to force my beliefs on you, whereas it merely represented the fact that I was uninfluenced by yours.

Contradict yourself much?



Peace:cool:

[Transcendence]

L2 read. lul

[KateeHellen]

For us to appreciate the true nature of your post, I'm afraid you will be required to relinquish that "holier than thou" attitude. Sorry.



Peace:cool:

Hmmm... situation must be worse as i suspect if OS supporters lost even sense of humor and sarcasm.
OPs post IS meant as sarcastic <or at least i see him in that way> however show a grim reality of current stance of this game and to be honest your reaction made me really worried...

[Transcendence]

I'm not going to argue with you on the fact that my opinion may be right, but just because you are wrong, doesn't mean I'm trying to force it on you. I am just merely stating that any and all opposition would be incorrect. It wouldn't matter either way to me if you believed me.

Belief is fickle.

[fireyair]

Hmmm... situation must be worse as i suspect if OS supporters lost even sense of humor and sarcasm.
OPs post IS meant as sarcastic <or at least i see him in that way> however show a grim reality of current stance of this game and to be honest your reaction made me really worried...

You obviously have very little experience with Walti here. The attitude is permanent.



Peace:cool:

[Naomi89]

fi⋅es⋅ta [fee-es-tuh; Sp. fyes-tah]

Moreover, allowing someone to sell more, or hit harder in this same aspect enforces the belief that you are required to do so. I'd like to see you grind to 79 without teva or an HP extender. They're outfitting the game so that you're required to do these things, and buy their times. Do you think monsters would hit so hard if such a large mass of the community didn't +9 their armor? And if they didn't hit so hard would we need so many stones?


Just going to comment on that one thing cause it's 1.30 in the morning, I am sleepy, and I need to drag myself to bed. I just made it to 80. Where as I have bought Sc items, I have only bought outfits (and not that often either). I have never once bought any sort of charms, teva or hp extenders. I never even bought any decent gear until around 75(and they're still not what you would call that decent). And I was never even a heavy scroll user. I am 80 now, and due to the fact I have repeats from 77 up leveling has become a lot less tedious thankfully. I know of people who have never bought a single SC item and yet are capped.

Even though I do feel that lately the game has become more CashShop orientated than it was in the past, I feel it is still possible to carry on in the game without sparkcash. I only bought sparkcash cause I wanted my char to look pretty. No other reason for now. If you are a pvp'er than yes, not having sc hp extenders, charms and so on is definitely going to hinder you. But if not you will do fine. After all it is not pvping which gets you from one level to another.

[samuraimandc]

I'd like to see you grind to 79 without teva or an HP extender.


i capped at lvl89 with no teva or extenders or charms.

[xavier_swift]

Thusly why you missed my point. You thought that my attitude was derived from something that meant that I was trying to force my beliefs on you, whereas it merely represented the fact that I was uninfluenced by yours.

Positive indignant apathy. ;)

Ok, Mr. SAT, thank you for giving us an example of your extensive vocabulary. Maybe you intention was not to come off as "holier than thou art", but you aren't exactly denouncing it as well.


Frankly, I feel your statements are a slap in the face to the people who only use SC as a way to spice up the otherwise mundane annoyance of having to wade through wave after wave of monsters to reach the next lvl. Sure, the community could use a bit more class, but the overall atmosphere, IMO, is quite satisfactory.

[Transcendence]

All of you people crying that you capped without the use of enhancement sparkcash or extenders, I applaud you. Truly, you have demonstrated your skills in applying against adversity and grinding against the curve.

At the same time, you have to understand that these are the widely unrecognized exceptions behind the rule. I have nothing more to say behind these comments.

[A_geezy]

uh oh this is the worst thing ever for Fiesta:

Outsparks number 1 supporter (aka Walti <3) is blasting this thing... abandon ship.

...It's too bad really, this could be a great game

oh yeah... @ everyone who capped w/out SC: you wouldn't have done so if there weren't 10 others who deluged the game with cash shop goodies (+9s being huge) for each one of you (ie 10 CS users to each CS non-user).

[Naomi89]

i capped at lvl89 with no teva or extenders or charms.

Look, one of the examples I was talking about in my above post.Good timing Samura hehe ^^

[Transcendence]

uh oh this is the worst thing ever for Fiesta:

Outsparks number 1 supporter (aka Walti <3) is blasting this thing... abandon ship.

...It's too bad really, this could be a great game

Outspark's #1 supporter is Mofiesta, lol.

[lenore_lurks]

Walti is Outsparks #1 supporter? News to me D: lol

Unless you mean financially? Hmmmmmmmm.........

[A_geezy]

Outspark's #1 supporter is Mofiesta, lol.

wahaha quoted for the truth, you know...if OS was publicly traded, you could probably own enough of it by now start calling shots :p

[Transcendence]

Guess no one disagrees. ;o That's pretty amazing for one of my posts. Awesomesauce.

[numot]

no one with common sense should dare to disagree. The whole system is a construct that envelops the player in a cycle of baseless idiocy and promotes the need to purchase overpriced pixel BS. Anyone who succumbs to this, then avidly defends this, is undoubtedly an OS Goat.

To those who exclaim "I DIDZ IT WIFFOUTZ TEH SC"

....who are you kidding?

regardless of whether or not you directly purchased SC, the +9 you depended on only exists because of eyes and miles. So don't go thinking you conquered a mountain of sorts. I will commend you on never using Extenders or Teva. You are champions of the mundane, repetitive and senseless endeavors of the human race. CONGRATZ

[FlashBoom]

i do agree alot with what walti has said

i mean i almost got to the 79 cap w/o sc, but once 8x came out i started buying.
i imagine that 1xx lvs will be impossible w/o exp boosts,tevas, ect. i mean like 1death=like 50repeats lost or like a full day of grinding. no one will be able to do that..

(btw using sc to lv isnt just limited to teva/exp, if you have ever bought ANY sc items in effort to lvling, u didnt cap w/o sc(including crit suits,extenders,charms,ect). That means never being gifted, never buying SC yourself, and never once using a +9, because even though u personally didnt spend money on the sc stuff, you indirectly bought it w/ ingame money from someone else who payed money for it)

i think less then 1% of fiesta players have actually never directly or indirectly used SC.

so no its not really a "free" game lol
OOS releases more and more updates that revolve around you having to spend more sc(events almost all require sc now, helga 1day spawn, long time ago, the abyss cap change and death from other players lose exp, all scams to get more SC, and they still have glitches and bugs from like when game was released...)

when im able to actually make money and afford p2p games ill probably quit fiesta lol (not wow, ffxi ftw)

[Transcendence]

More to the point, I would suggest that a community that openly enforces the use of Sparkcash rather than leveling up the way the game was intended forces the programmers to outfit the game towards the majority. Those who don't like it will leave anyway.

My whole point is it isn't just the people who allow it to happen, it's those who flaunt it that make it popular. If no one ever whooped you with a +9, or slammed your pride to a pulp with crit suits, extenders, charms, etc., you in turn wouldn't want it. Making the game easier doesn't make the game more fun. There's a large majority of the new players that started fiesta after Sparkcash really made a boom that don't know how to play their characters [[granted there still are those who have been playing a long time and don't either, but still, exceptions, not the rule]].

I'm just saying that maybe having all these sparkcash items are nice, but in truth you need to take all things in moderation, even Fiesta.

-walt

[Nephron]

Those who don't like it will leave anyway.

I'm puzzled -- why are you are still here? If I've read your posts correctly, you don't particularly like Fiesta, so why do you even bother to come here and whine about it? I don't necessarily disagree with the bulk of what you've said, but wouldn't it be more sensible to just leave if you have such issues with the game?

[xavier_swift]

Guess no one disagrees. ;o That's pretty amazing for one of my posts. Awesomesauce.

Unfortunately, I do disagree with you, my friend. I buy Sparkcash on a monthly basis, mostly for the critical suits and an extender. However, I do not find this game that much easier. Sure, I have more HP on my Archer, but that doesn't change amount of damage a monster does to him, now does it?

If aggro too big of a mob, I'll die no matter how much HP I have. If I lag with a big mob, I die. If I get stunned by a fighter or monster, I'm going to get owned and will never have a chance to use my crit suit.


I started playing this game when you aggroed almost every monster there was, even at lvl15, and it feels just the same as it did back then. Grinding is still just as hard with or without SC. So, to say that this game is made easy because SC is just ludicrous. Critical suits, extenders, and charms only help for PvP, and don't give THAT big of an advantage when it comes to PvE.


Likewise, it's the communities fault for they way +9s have skyrocketed in their prices, not OutSpark. Did OS raise the price of them? No, they did not. They merely presented us with a way to make it slightly easier to get them to that lvl. If anything, their prices should have gone down because of it. It's the market's fault for allowing them to get that way by settling to pay for them at these insane prices. If people pay, they would cost so much.

[irix33]

i do agree alot with what walti has said

i mean i almost got to the 79 cap w/o sc, but once 8x came out i started buying.
i imagine that 1xx lvs will be impossible w/o exp boosts,tevas, ect. i mean like 1death=like 50repeats lost or like a full day of grinding. no one will be able to do that..

(btw using sc to lv isnt just limited to teva/exp, if you have ever bought ANY sc items in effort to lvling, u didnt cap w/o sc(including crit suits,extenders,charms,ect). That means never being gifted, never buying SC yourself, and never once using a +9, because even though u personally didnt spend money on the sc stuff, you indirectly bought it w/ ingame money from someone else who payed money for it)

i think less then 1% of fiesta players have actually never directly or indirectly used SC.



To bring the point further, any non-SC users who partied with someone using SC items (crit. suits, extenders, charms, pots, teva, +9s etc) are also indirectly relying on SC to level.

I would like to know who truly capped without directly or indirectly using/relying on SC.

[A_geezy]

To bring the point further, any non-SC users who partied with someone using SC items (crit. suits, extenders, charms, pots, teva, +9s etc) are also indirectly relying on SC to level.

I would like to know who truly capped without directly or indirectly using/relying on SC.

That's what I said.

Also, it would be impossible to cap even at 79 without having +9 weapons around (actually, T2 and on we wouldn't even have +3s); (try doing KKP with only npc gears, you couldn't get past slime in the time allotted).

[xavier_swift]

So, you people are basically equating SC to cheat codes for a normal video game? Is this what you are getting at?

[lordalden]

Allow me to shed some light on the subject: Flaming of users or OS isn't allowed in the forums, and as such, I'm going to be closing this topic down now, as it's very apparent to me both were happening at the same time. When we can all make our points and debate matters in a courteous and dually respectful manner, then we can make Fiesta, and other gaming services more worthwhile, and at the same time, make a difference individually.

Thank you for your time and consideration in this matter, and I would again ask that in the future, you only post in a manner that is courteous and/or friendly to other users and OS, even if you happen to disagree with their words.

Sincerely,

lordalden