Fiesta Community: The REAL Enemy?

[irix33]

Ok. Lots of things got me pretty sad about Fiesta recently. Latest being the reason(s) for Bobbi's quitting.

So I am curious which area irks you the MOST recently. Maybe this poll will help OS understand us the players better and focus their limited resources in areas that matter most to us.

Here are the options:

1. The Fiesta Community itself:- increasing number of noobs who do not know how to play their characters, increasing number of negative players, selfish and rude players/guilds spot claiming/Ksing/PKing/scammers/spammers/monopolizing maps/petty wars/shouting profanities in towns...etc.

2. Technical issues:- skill glitches, unresolved bugs, Fiesta.bin error, DC problem, SparkCash issues, lag...etc.

3. How OS runs the game:- communication with the community, in game presence, events organised, management of the forum...etc.

4. Customer service provided:- issues unresolved/resolved not to player's satisfaction, time taken for replies and/or actions taken by OS staff...etc.

5. I am perfectly happy with Fiesta and OS.

[badfury]

Ok. Lots of things got me pretty up sad about Fiesta recently. Latest being the reason(s) for Bobbi's quitting.

So I am curious which area irks you the MOST recently. Maybe this poll will help OS understand us the players better and focus their limited resources in areas that matter most to us.

Here are the options:

1. The Fiesta Community itself:- increasing number of noobs who do not know how to play their characters, increasing number of negative players, selfish and rude players/guilds spot claiming/Ksing/PKing/monopolizing maps/petty wars/shouting profanities in towns...etc.

2. Technical issues:- skill glitches, unresolved bugs, Fiesta.bin error, DC problem, SparkCash issues, lag...etc.

3. How OS runs the game:- communication with the community, in game presence, events organised, management of the forum...etc.

4. Customer service provided:- issues unresolved/resolved not to player's satisfaction, time taken for replies and/or actions taken by OS staff...etc.

5. I am perfectly happy with Fiesta and OS.
I would have to say the community itself, ppl asking for stuff in a rude way and etc[too much to list]

[zephyr_wind]

The community for basically everything you listed. Currently none of the things that was spoken about in her quitting thread really affect me personally as my guild is small and none of our members are even close to the previous cap, but it still bothers to see such fuss over things. I don't know what happens when people get in a game and forget all sense of morality and ethics. I don't believe that anyone who plays this game whose fueling the flames that are devouring our community and the existence of this game are this bad behind the computer screen. But when I see some of the things I've seen on this game it seriously makes me wonder. Is it really worth all that?

[thalegend7695]

He knows to much! *glomps and puts in trunk*

[Zanec]

Yeah, the community. But it's not a lot worse than most gaming communities imo, they're all equally horrible.

[yourmojo]

Community for the most part is actually alright imo. I just think in general that if KSers, scammers, spammers, noobs(not newbs) and all this mightier than thou drama was gone then we'd have a great community. I mean when you really think about it, annoying people don't make the community bad it's mainly just people who ruin the game for other people. Maybe mass-annoyance will ruin it :P

I'm fairly relaxed about technical issues and how the game is run, the only thing that angers me is getting blatantly screwed over by things. Whether it's constant cash shop orrientation in game, or false promises that either never happen or end up failing miserably aka: most of the current game content.


I am perfectly happy with Fiesta and OS Pretty much anybody who is spending over $50 per month on the game. Or someone who is completely oblivious to everything or is sucking up trying to become a mod or is getting plvled by their 70+ friend[failmes start here]

[xavier_swift]

The community around here is definitely to blame. Not saying they are responsible for the bugs and what not(definitely not going down that road). However, I don't entirely think it's because of the newer batch of players that have started playing. There were a good amount of jerks around when I started playing, especially the higher ups.

Before, I always felt that the good outweighed the bad, but the bad is starting to take hold. I remember when it was safe to roam the Abyss without fear of repeated Pking. Now, the lower lvl ones have become more frantic than the BattleZones. Sure, you can go ahead and take the easy road by blaming OS for changing the parameters, but they weren't the ones who declared Open Season of newbies.

It's also not OS fault that the prices for things have become ridiculous. The in-game economy is a joke. A +9 lvl30 wep barely registered 700s when I first started up, now I see people trying to rip off others buying charging 1g. I thought using miles/eyes would lower prices, given how easy it is to make a +9 with them. Then, there are buff scrolls going for 10s+ when they were like 7-9s before.


OS may drop the ball on alot of things, but the Fiesta community is just as much to blame for the chaos that has occurred recently.

[mehe25]

The community, I mean there's so many noobs running around thinking they're all that and being self centered black holes. I'm not trying to be racist lol, I was using a simile. The nature of a black hole is the exact nature of an ego maniac, they are sucked into themselves.

I also must blame many fighter's I've come across with my cleric, actually telling ME the HEALER how to HEAL!, blaming me everytime they get one shotted(-...-), blaming me everytime I don't heal them for every single shot on them, and doing so many things that irratate me. So since I choose who die's and lives in a party(I realized that some time ago XD) they better watch out..

[skullknight.]

Community bad because outspark keep killing good players and supporting retareded idiots that spend alot of money on sc. Thats all, and thats not community fault. Bad ppl exist everywhere, but good ppl balance them and stop, yet in this game good ppl simply being hunted down without mercy by OS, that makes fiesta perfect play ground for underage cretins that dont care about balance, nice gameplay and etc, they only want ks,pk and ruin others fun.

[devin_nicolai]

Nah its a mix between both imo.

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

The community >.>....Guardians (personal irk)....Pkers,etc need I say more?

[irix33]

The community for basically everything you listed. Currently none of the things that was spoken about in her quitting thread really affect me personally as my guild is small and none of our members are even close to the previous cap, but it still bothers to see such fuss over things. I don't know what happens when people get in a game and forget all sense of morality and ethics. I don't believe that anyone who plays this game whose fueling the flames that are devouring our community and the existence of this game are this bad behind the computer screen. But when I see some of the things I've seen on this game it seriously makes me wonder. Is it really worth all that?

The anonymity factor does allow people to behave badly in game as there are no 'real' consequences and zero accountability. Somehow online games bring out the worst in some people, like driving. :D



Yeah, the community. But it's not a lot worse than most gaming communities imo, they're all equally horrible.

I do not have alot of experience with MMOs, but if what you said is true, then it is a very sad virtual world we 'live' in.

I have visited the Fiesta Taiwan's forum and even though they have similar community issues, there is less hate, less finger pointing, less flame wars then here. They are less tolerant towards badly behaved players and the community pressure keeps these 'bad' players in check. This IMO, is lacking in Fiesta NA. There is no unity here.

[xavier_swift]

The anonymity factor does allow people to behave badly in game as there are no 'real' consequences and zero accountability. Somehow online games bring out the worst in some people, like driving. :D




I do not have alot of experience with MMOs, but if what you said is true, then it is a very sad virtual world we 'live' in.

I have visited the Fiesta Taiwan's forum and even though they have similar community issues, there is less hate, less finger pointing, less flame wars then here. They are less tolerant towards badly behaved players and the community pressure keeps these 'bad' players in check. This IMO, is lacking in Fiesta NA. There is no unity here.

That's the point I was trying to make. It's OS's that there is so much hate and dysfunction within the community. It's the community's responsibility to keep the bad eggs in check. If we were to take a serious stand against the crap that goes on, OS will surely start pulling their own weight.

[mehe25]

OS staff, can you just IP block those loser's who are spamming everywhere? I sereously doubt it take's THAT much time just to run through the game and IP block all spammer's you see. I mean it should be pretty easy since they shout repeatadly and whisper to you also, conveniently, they have long gibberish names.

[Daevor]

The community? All I have to say is people behave as badly as they are allowed to.

[Kizuku]

I agree with the things said about the community, but I'm actually very happy with Fiesta. Not the people so much as the game, but I've made my friends here and I've made my enemies. That's just the way it is.

[islabonita]

For me, it's mostly the community.

I started playing in September 2008. I noticed a change in the community around the time of the Christmas event. It seemed to bring out the worst in people.

FBZ aside, players are obsessed with levelling fast and expect higher levels to do it for them. I'm tired of level 40 players expecting to be partied in the level 60 abyss. (What's wrong with level 40 and 50 abysses?) If I do help them, then they won't leave me alone.

Leeching in kq's, begging for silver, spamming (whisper), demanding buffs, insulting clerics ...

I don't know what could be done to improve the community. I'm not planning on quitting anytime soon, but I am playing other games more because Fiesta is not as fun as it used to be.

Technical issues happen. SC pays for the game. Those two don't bother me (much).

I'm not the greatest cleric, but then again I'm not the worst. If I can't find a party, I have to solo. What bugs me is that it takes forever to kill anything. Queen spiders died of old age before I could kill them. :rolleyes:

[TITLE]

Hmmm, nothing irks me from what the choices are laid. I just play a pixel game with conscious beings. If something did irk me it wouldn't even pass my self contradictions; therefore, have a cookie.

[Morok]

where is all the above? Only reason i played fiesta is because of my GF and my friends... Right now, just like my siggy... People from fiesta moving onto perfect world o.O.

[A_geezy]

Community bad because outspark keep killing good players and supporting retareded idiots that spend alot of money on sc. Thats all, and thats not community fault. Bad ppl exist everywhere, but good ppl balance them and stop, yet in this game good ppl simply being hunted down without mercy by OS, that makes fiesta perfect play ground for underage cretins that dont care about balance, nice gameplay and etc, they only want ks,pk and ruin others fun.


wow you put my exact feelings to words.

thanks.

[skysparkle]

Community bad because outspark keep killing good players and supporting retareded idiots that spend alot of money on sc. Thats all, and thats not community fault. Bad ppl exist everywhere, but good ppl balance them and stop, yet in this game good ppl simply being hunted down without mercy by OS, that makes fiesta perfect play ground for underage cretins that dont care about balance, nice gameplay and etc, they only want ks,pk and ruin others fun.

i agree with this guy too :)

EDIT: oh and i picked option 3 if os ran things better then the community would b better

[irix33]

From some of your posts, I gather that some one you feel that the current state of the community is the result of how OS run and manage Fiesta.

Well imho, to a certain extend it is true. Many a times offenders go unpunished.
It can be demoralizing when reports and screen shots sent to OS regarding offenders are not dealt with swiftly and effectively.

On the other hand, we the players always have the option to choose to behave well or to behave badly. Yes, even the 13 yo ones. But people are people, they will test the limits and if they can get away with it, you bet they will do it again and again.

[Stacey]

Ok. Lots of things got me pretty sad about Fiesta recently. Latest being the reason(s) for Bobbi's quitting.

So I am curious which area irks you the MOST recently. Maybe this poll will help OS understand us the players better and focus their limited resources in areas that matter most to us.

Here are the options:

1. The Fiesta Community itself:- increasing number of noobs who do not know how to play their characters, increasing number of negative players, selfish and rude players/guilds spot claiming/Ksing/PKing/scammers/spammers/monopolizing maps/petty wars/shouting profanities in towns...etc.

2. Technical issues:- skill glitches, unresolved bugs, Fiesta.bin error, DC problem, SparkCash issues, lag...etc.

3. How OS runs the game:- communication with the community, in game presence, events organised, management of the forum...etc.

4. Customer service provided:- issues unresolved/resolved not to player's satisfaction, time taken for replies and/or actions taken by OS staff...etc.

5. I am perfectly happy with Fiesta and OS.

It is a mix between the community, technical issues, the way OS runs the game, and even the customer service. In my experience, players were a lot nicer then and knew how to play their characters. Nowadays, I find it hard to find help. Newbie fighters are even afraid to attack and some new clerics do not know how to heal--I guess it is because these players are getting plvled and are not taught how to play their characters correctly. In the free battle zones, newbie players out of the curiousity enter and find themselves murdered by those way more higher than them. Those PKers don't even give them a chance to leave, from what I've seen. It's sad that other players ruin the game for others.

The way OS runs things seems to have a toll on the community. OS keeps making decisions that the community does not approve of. I'm not saying OS is at fault, but for some reason they fail to keep the community happy. I'm not blaming the community either, but perhaps we are expecting too much from them. Either way, there will never be a way to make everyone happy.

As for the customer service and from the experiences that people have shared with it, they do not seem to provide help. Some customer service responses seem to be given by some type of bot.

These are things the irk me the most--but until I have completely lost my faith in the game and in OS, I will continue to hope for a better future.



The community, I mean there's so many noobs running around thinking they're all that and being self centered black holes. I'm not trying to be racist lol, I was using a simile. The nature of a black hole is the exact nature of an ego maniac, they are sucked into themselves.


Lol. Nice comparision--I would never have thought of that, but there is truth in it.


OS staff, can you just IP block those loser's who are spamming everywhere? I sereously doubt it take's THAT much time just to run through the game and IP block all spammer's you see. I mean it should be pretty easy since they shout repeatadly and whisper to you also, conveniently, they have long gibberish names.

OS has tried to get rid of these spammers:
Establishing a lvl requirement for shouting
The block system

Blocking the ip address of those spammers would be a good idea, but it kind of makes me wonder why the have not done so yet. Perhaps it takes more work then we think, or that they simply do not want to take the time. There are other issues to fix: bugs, glitches, the Cash Shop, etc.

Even if they were to block the ip address, those spammers will keep coming back like ants...:D

From some of your posts, I gather that some one you feel that the current state of the community is the result of how OS run and manage Fiesta.

Well imho, to a certain extend it is true. Many a times offenders go unpunished.
It can be demoralizing when reports and screen shots sent to OS regarding offenders are not dealt with swiftly and effectively.

On the other hand, we the players always have the option to choose to behave well or to behave badly. Yes, even the 13 yo ones. But people are people, they will test the limits and if they can get away with it, you bet they will do it again and again.

Indeed. Those behaving badly will not stop unless something is done about them. Perhaps we need to separate the good from the bad--and wage war...:D

(just kidding about the war)...

[devilia]

Yup its the community, I just got Ksed a few min ago, and about had it.....
I don't think there is a specific generalization though of the so call bad apple's, but commonly they are self centered, childish, and mean. Some are especially ostentatious about there negative actions especially when there friends are around. I recall being harassed and unable to leave the fbz once due to a specific group's sense of amusement which resulted in them constantly killing me right before I reach the gate to leave fbz. I tried to reason with them etc to no avail, instead I ended taking ss to report them.


While it looks like to me that a few posters on this thread are unsatisfied with the way os run the game etc. I on the other hand think that lately os has done a great job bringing about balances between the classes. An example of this is the boost in damage that clerics received on their skills bleed & trip. While on other matters such as bugs, bin error etc, I find it hard to blame os for all the problems and issue. One reason for this is that these issue are difficult to deal with and solve. I recall one Gm stating that they were not able to reproduce the cause of the bin errors. I am not saying that all bugs etc fall under this category of difficulty because certain bugs have been here far too long. Rather, I think the difficulty of dealing with certain bugs, etc that maybe difficult may surely impact what task or bug is given priority towards being fixed.

On that note, I will leave the community with a rhetorical question based on something I was once told.

I was once told that you cannot please everyone. Nor can you please everyone at once.

Therefore, do you think os can please everyone? (recall: rhetorical question)

[Chaola]

Well...

I think it's an endless circle... That was started by the game features themselfs then fueled by the CS... Add to that OS doing nothing to fix it...

Imho, it's the addition of the Academy feature that started it...

Guilds powerlevel newbs to get guild buffs, then those newbs becoming noobs because they didn't have the time to learn their classe, then they start to buy CS because they can't level on their own and need a little "help", and then they realise the power of SC and become worse and worse. Add to that the new level restriction and the PK system, and you have a downgrading community. Same for the master&apprentice.

We don't have here the same mentality that in asian countries where, I believe, those features aren't exploited to create havoc, but for actually what they are for, help and knowledge...

People will use every single mean available to them in order to please themselves.

[aptbid2002]

I used to like to talk to people in Fiesta, now I despise people in Fiesta. They are all a bunch of selfish, hate filled, lost kids going through puberty. I don't help people anymore, I don't talk to people anymore, I just do my quests with my RL wife and open my store when I go to bed. There is nothing OS can do to prevent this behavior in their game as OS isn't active enough to monitor it. I remember when I played Guild Wars, and I got banned for making a rude comment to one person. OS should add a report feature to Fiesta so when you have a problem you can report it. I've also downloaded and played Perfect World and like the excellent graphics as well as the ability to decline the request to fight someone. I think OS could learn a lot from other games and incorporate them into theirs, making it better for all who play. However, that being said, they never will as they don't put the effort into monitoring the game as they do monitoring the Spark Store. I love Fiesta but hate the people who play it.

[kimikawaii]

OS staff, can you just IP block those loser's who are spamming everywhere? I sereously doubt it take's THAT much time just to run through the game and IP block all spammer's you see. I mean it should be pretty easy since they shout repeatadly and whisper to you also, conveniently, they have long gibberish names.

They could, but all the spammers need to come back is a proxy.

[falapt]

I like the community, ppl in here are mostly friendly. Maybe haven't noticed n00bs lately.

I chose tech issues, because it's lame to have to re-install the whole game when a freaking patch comes out ^^"

[ah_ikeepsitreal]

I like the community, ppl in here are mostly friendly. Maybe haven't noticed n00bs lately.


:confused:
uhm, what server do you play on? I think I may need to switch....

[akarih]

I chose #3 - How OS is running the game, because I think that leads up to both the technical issues and the community issue.

Technicality-wise, who could forget the good ole bin. I admit it is much better now though, and my lag has even reduced. But I still get quite a number of disconnections, and even an internal server error yesterday. Still, I can see work going on, which is good.

Community-wise, I haven't come across a lot of nasty players. PKers (one/a group attacked me while I was in my shroom O.o, thankfully I could heal and escape out), rude people asking for buffs (sorry dudes, no "please" = no buff, I'm not even expecting you to spell the entire word), even ruder people screaming "why no heals?!" (no heals = I am lagging duh), imbalance due to SC usage (this is not that big of a problem to me actually, since the SC-ed users help a lot in KQs lol)... They are all part and parcel of Fiesta life.

Always look on the bright side of life~~
Helpful guild, friends you can joke around and have a newb dance party with, random people who shower you with money, random-er clerics who give you a t5 buff... :D

[akarih]

While it looks like to me that a few posters on this thread are unsatisfied with the way os run the game etc. I on the other hand think that lately os has done a great job bringing about balances between the classes. An example of this is the boost in damage that clerics received on their skills bleed & trip. While on other matters such as bugs, bin error etc, I find it hard to blame os for all the problems and issue. One reason for this is that these issue are difficult to deal with and solve. I recall one Gm stating that they were not able to reproduce the cause of the bin errors. I am not saying that all bugs etc fall under this category of difficulty because certain bugs have been here far too long. Rather, I think the difficulty of dealing with certain bugs, etc that maybe difficult may surely impact what task or bug is given priority towards being fixed.



They increased the damage?? O__O
I have long given up on these skills, and didn't invest in t2 because it was so useless lol. Even took it off my hotbar recently.

[devilmanxdevilxdman]

<<<< is sick of people iv never talked to b4 begging and or asking for cash items