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grandmarocks
05-01-2009, 06:28 PM
I have done some enhancements and as the wheel turns and lands on the spot where my stone is placed it still fails. This should be an enhanced and not fail. I use only Blessed and Lucky stones and all 3 miles (red, blue and gold).

I have many screenies of this failing.

Could you please explain to me why if it lands on the correct spot why does it still fail?

thalegend7695
05-01-2009, 06:34 PM
It must land OPPOSITE of your stone, if you use I believe blessed stone, when it land son it u get +2.

angelofbless
05-01-2009, 06:47 PM
The same thing happens to me and Fiesta wont do anything about it. I spend real money on miles and lots of silver on stones to enhance my things.

G1XXER
05-01-2009, 06:56 PM
Supposed to land opposite your stone to get success. Luckies (blue) stones, if successful "sometimes" will go up +2. Blessed (purple) stones keep item from decreasing in level, " but they can still break"! So hope for opposite square from where you place stone. :)

Orchids_Mantis
05-01-2009, 08:36 PM
For the Enhancement process you're trying to make a line across the wheel, so you should have:"
Stone--Item--Box

Anything but a straight line across from the stone to the empty box results in a fail (a modified version of Russian Roulette, basically; except you're hoping to find the chamber with something in it in this one).

Lucky and Blessed stones have no effect on the chance of success, Lucky stones have a slight chance of increasing the item by 2 points instead of just 1 when successful, and blessed stones supposedly assist in the item not going down a level (though personally, I have found those blessed stones to be little purple monstrosities that destroy anything they are used on...but that's me).

Blue Mile will prevent your item from downgrading should your refining attempt fail, so if you use them, there is no point to using blessed stones (except to get them out of your inventory).

Red Eyes will prevent your item from breaking in the event of a failed refining attempt, there is nothing else they do .

Gold Nine has 2 effects: it increases the chances of a successful enhancement, and like the lucky stones, it carries a chance of increasing your item level by 2 upon a successful refinement regardless of the stone used (green, lucky or blessed.). I don't know if that is a glitch or not, but I have seen it happen twice with gold nine where the item went up 2 levels using common player-made green stones.

joecracker
05-02-2009, 03:37 AM
dont waste gold until xir is the tip i give people

philiplr
05-02-2009, 05:19 AM
-Red eyes remove the chance that your upgrade will fail and break your item.
-Blue mile removes the chance that your upgrade will fail and revert your item a level.
-Gold nine adds 15% of the success rate.

So you are left with either a success or fail with each upgrade.

Gold nine isn't worth using because it just increases your chance to upgrade by 15% of the success rate of whatever level you're at. For example: If your chance of upgrade is 50%, then it adds 15% of 50%, ie: 7.5% of a chance. At +8, you're at around a 15% chance to upgrade, so it would add a 2.25% greater chance of upgrading.

Overall you'll save 15% on in game stones, but spend like 20% more spark cash. Is it worth $10 on a T3 item to save 100s worth of stones? (I don't know about you, but I don't think so)

On stones giving +2. It isn't the gold nine. All stones carry a small chance of a +2. Blessed are said to give a slightly higher chance of success when using red eyes/blue mile. I got +2 on a blessed once, using no spark cash enhancement.

DarkSlasher
05-02-2009, 05:40 AM
[...] and blessed stones supposedly assist in the item not going down a level (though personally, I have found those blessed stones to be little purple monstrosities that destroy anything they are used on...but that's me).

Actually, blessed stones are supposed to decrease the chances of your item to break.

philiplr
05-02-2009, 05:59 AM
Actually, blessed stones are supposed to decrease the chances of your item to break.

Yea, by 5%. But when the chance to break is 50% at +4 for T2 items, it's rather likely that this 5% difference will be pretty unnoticeable.

no_love4you
05-07-2009, 08:51 AM
Many people enhance using red eyes, blu miles, gold nines from fiesta store...those stones say they prevent the chance to break item by 100%, the downgrade of enhancment by 100%, and increase enhancment success by 15%...
now, i read of many enhancments failed on forums even using those stones...and some items broke as well. Some of my items got broke as well while a friend was enhancing using them, now i wonder:
is Outspark SCAMMING US telling that a stone prevent item break by 100% and the item breaks anyway? Or if it is a bug, why when u send a report to CSR they answer with 'we cannot help nor give back items and stones' ? Are they kidding?

The-Sakura
05-07-2009, 09:00 AM
If you're using the 50% reds and blues, then it's only decreased by 50%. I also haven't heard any Outspark staff member confirming this is a bug.

It's 15% added onto, for example, if my odds are 50%, they become 65%. So they are worth a bit more than you think.

The odds of any stone giving a +2 is very very small- I've only had it happen twice, and I've gone through a large number of enchantments.

I've noticed no difference between lucky, blessed, and normal stones.

I have noticed a difference between NPC, green, and blue enchantments. (all of the same level)

no_love4you
05-07-2009, 09:26 AM
tell me where u see a difference
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5376/stones.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

DarkSlasher
05-09-2009, 02:16 PM
What sort of difference are you talking about? If you're talking about the multiple stones appearing four times with four different prices, it's because they're Grade 1, 2, 3, 4. Every item has it's "Item Level": Lv1~20=Tier1 ; Lv20~60(I think)=Tier2, etc.
If that wasn't your question, sorry for the misunderstanding. ^^'

rubedo78
05-09-2009, 02:47 PM
The Whole Enhancement process is a gambel and an Outspark Scam period!! The Eyes and Miles do prevent breakage and downgrading 100% (even tho some ppl still expierence breakage and downgrading) The Lucky stones add a higer precentage for +2 but only slightly and they actually drop the overall enhancement percentage slightly while Blessed Prevent downgrade but raise breakage percentage slightly (like .5%) Gold nines SAY they give you a 15% higher chance of success... But who knows if its true or not!! I have'nt noticed any difference with or without gold nines! The Enhancement process as a whole is a Scam (at least in my eyes!) Ive gone thru 3 t3 enhancement bundles and only lvld'd one item +2 lvls. Mind you I was at the proper lvl for enhancing that item! Because that makes a difference to! If your only lv40 and have t2 weps you shouldnt try to enhance t3 equips that you cant wear yet! This decreases your success probability signifigantly! But even on the flip side of that a low lv like lvl 10 Can enhance easier then most high lvls!! LOL (I kknow it dosent make sense but It seems to be true from all Ive seen! Cuz I made a noob who only enhances and he does great!! lol) Also there seems to be some small increase depending on what class you are and what your spr % is (I guess they treat Spr as a luck stat cus Ive also noticed ppl with higher spr seem to get better drops as well!) Now Im no Enhancement expert or nothing but Ive enhanced aloottt of stuff in my play time and these have just been observations ive seemed to notice in the game with myself and friends!) Until Outspark decides to release the in game Mechanics to Enhancement (yeah right!! LOL) we'll never truly know the formula for "Successful" Enhancement! Enhancment items are probably SC stores biggest seller cuz everyone wants +9's!! But you have to weight the options: Do I spend $10 real money just to enhance an item in the game by 1 maybe 2 lvls?! Thats for you to decide.

no_love4you
05-10-2009, 05:23 AM
What sort of difference are you talking about?

i was talking about the difference between these 'red eyes' and 'perfect red eyes', from previus posts they said there are 50% red and blues:

If you're using the 50% reds and blues, then it's only decreased by 50%. I also haven't heard any Outspark staff member confirming this is a bug.


but i can't see those stones in the shop, i can only see perfect, and with those perfect of 100% items still break.
This means that these 50% reds and blues not exsists or are scammed for 100%...

yaseeda
05-12-2009, 12:58 AM
mmm today my friend enchanced (his name husky1988 u can ask him if u dont believe me) his boots, and when going from +8 to +9 boots broke even though he used perfect red eyes.
He reported, but this whole issue looks bad to me, if red eyes fail now, whats point buying them? And with terrible success rate enchancing not possible without them.....
So we cant enchance now? This means prices on +9 gears will go up....

Orchids_Mantis
05-12-2009, 07:47 AM
There is a rare glitch where the red eyes can fail; but it is incredibly rare. Usually when items break for people enhancing, they actually forget to put in the red eyes, or they click to place the red eyes in the box and mis, the red eyes go back into their inventory and they don't realize it.

On the rare chance that the enhancement fails with red eyes, it can be reported, though I am not sure what can be done.

aptbid2002
05-12-2009, 08:28 AM
Enhancing is JOKE! My personal belief is if I lay down hard earned cash it should work all the time. If I buy eyes and miles then it shouldn't fail. If you buy any other item from the SC store you don't have the chance of it failing while you equip it. I no longer enhance, I just buy from the unlucky people who are selling their +9's. I spend my SC on things that I will actually get a return from, like 100% xp boost cards.

willemstyle
05-12-2009, 02:34 PM
I believe blessed stones DO increase success and +2 chance!

Take a look at this:
http://video.xfire.com/b3121-4.jpg (http://www.xfire.com/video/b3121/)