Hardest class to kill in PvP?

[comp4ssion]

Just putting this out there for a bit of discussion: What do you think is the hardest class to kill in PvP and why?

Also, keep in mind that different classes will have a harder time killing different classes. The purpose of this thread is simply to incite civilized discussion...no flaming please. =)

[Flyesong]

fiesta or SOS?

[TRXSTA]

S-e-c-r-e-t-o-f-S-o-l-s-t-i-c-e. What's that spell? Fiesta!

Priests/Paladins. They heal more than 50 HP at a time.

[Flyesong]

lol i hve no idea what that means. but i think that in fiesta the hardest to kill are people of your own class

[Madcharo]

lol i hve no idea what that means. but i think that in fiesta the hardest to kill are people of your own class

This.... This is the Secret of the Solstice forums... Why would the OP be talking about Fiesta here..?

[xyangster]

Priests/Paladins. They heal more than 50 HP at a time.

Whaaaaaat?! How? .________.


I think you can catch healers off guard though, and then it's not so hard to kill them with amp + stun. I hate trying to kill templars (har har...) -- stupid Burning Hands and Saint Rising.

[alphaboy87]

ha
ha

*bored*

[Orangeman21]

archers/rangers >.>;;;; srsly they are hax D;

Also Shadow Master 136+ is really tough because of shock troops. Then maybe hax archmage *cough foger* so much dmg.

[poochyenarulez]

it depends on the person, if your tring to kill a warrior with +6 6ap gear, yea going to be hard
killing one with +1 4 ap gear, would be easy..

but hardest class for me is neo class, hate there dodge~

[TRXSTA]

Oi. I change my vote. In terms of ability to survive (just survive by... having HP greater than zero, not by attacking back to eliminate the threat), for me, it goes Assassin (Dodge, Invisibility, Evil Voice), Holy Avenger (BH, AG, AH), Priest (Heals, Spirit, high HP), Ranger (uncurable binds, Stone Edge), Wizard (highest number of binds - albeit curable, Magic Shield), Warrior (Defence, highest number of stuns).

[FatTony30]

Assuming no SC pots are being used, I would say an Archers uncurable bind trumps the others.
Assassins have a chance if they're lucky enough to dodge both Bramble and Ankle bind (or get a lucky extract ^^), but even if they do, Archers can carry significantly more pots.

A very close 2nd would be a Holy Avenger, warriors with AutoGenesis, Assist Heal, Great Sphere and Saint Rising is near invincible. But IMO not getting touched > mad self healin.

[MarvHartigan]

u should speak form ur experience instead of what u think our skills do... we r NOT warriors, why? cause we dont have their ubber def & we dont hit as hard... Saint Rising has 2 mins cooldown and we dont have "mad" healing skills, we dont heal as fast as everyone thinks we do.

Adios!

PS: sorry for going off topic, but assumptions gets on my nerves

[ChaosAD]

Speaking from an Assassin's point of view, the odds are stacked against my class when it comes to PvP. Against Warriors and Rangers we will lose because they can carry 5 times the amount of pots that we can carry. Against Holy Avengers we have no hope of defeating them if our damage isnt high enough to overpower their heals. And the same goes for Priests/Paladins. Cant beat them if our damage is not high enough to overpower them and not give them a chance to use Cooling Heal. Wizards are our easiest opponents because if we dont dodge their binds, we can cure them instead, including their DoT's, and they cannot carry much pots so they will definitely go down.

I have found only 1 solution against the Warrior/Ranger pot capacity and the Avenger/Priest healing capabilities. Pure Power and Pure Speed. Crushing strength that will damage them 100+ and speed as fast as a Ranger.

with Tiny Pots, no one can survive in a fight with an Assassin that is doing 100 damage to you and has my 8 MEN speed build. I'd be doing more damage than a tiny pot can heal and i'd be spamming my skills faster than you can spam your pots....there's no chance to win. Sure you can stun for a second to get some breathing room so you can spam pots while the damage has stopped flowing, but it will only be a matter of time till your pots run dry, or if you get unlucky, your stun misses on me. I have been successful in many fights even with players 10+ lvls higher than me all because of my huge attack power and very fast skill speed.

So..."Hardest Class to kill" If you're an Assassin, all of the classes will be hard to kill if you do not have crushing attack power and Ranger skill speed.

If you're not an Assassin, then Assassin will be the hardest class to kill if the Sin has the attack power and skill speed mentioned above LOL!

Why do you think Marco dominates so hard? He's got immense skill speed and crushing power from his Beast Dagger and Shock Troops skill.

[comp4ssion]

Hm....I'm just now getting into Rogue class. But on my Priest, I can explain what's hard and what's not.

Also, this post is written with the assumption that both people in the duel are using only tiny pots.

RANGERS. High damage, fast Wind Blow spam, stuns and stacking DOTs = ouch. Their potion carrying capacity is nutz, and for a Priest, Rangers are tough to take down even at the same level. Your only hope is to outlast their MP supply and pray they brought a good deal of HP potions...if they did, and if they don't have Curse Tonics, stacking Curse DOTs and cooling heal for the win. Tough fight though. ><

HOLY AVENGERS with Curse Tonics....ouch. >> Burning hands and high carrying capacity FTL. >>

SINS/SHADOW MASTERS: If they have a good Dodge build, they will dodge your DOTs and most of your Spirits. The only chance a healer has against a Sin is breathing room. However, if you get said breathing room, their carrying capacity is mediocre and you do stand a chance at outpotting them. POW/STA Sins aren't as big of a deal unless you're counting on outpotting them for the win. It's the AGI/MEN Sins with Enhance 5 or Master Enhance that you need to watch out for...

OTHER PRIESTS: Battle of preparedness, STA and carrying capacity. 'Nuff said.

WIZ: STA and pots are really all you need, but without both, they can do some serious damage. Best to try to outlast their MP potion supply before doing too much fighting back.

All that said, it should be really interesting to see how Sin is in PvP....still 20 levels to go ATM, but I'm on my way. The few actual (somewhat) fair fights the Rogue has been in have been very fun though. Thus far, I concur with Nero: Skill spam speed and attack power are musts...if you have enough STA or POW to negatively impact your Dodge, your perceived savings grace (in this case, either high carrying capacity or high HP) may well be your downfall.

Just my two cents. Anyone else have an opinion?

EDIT: Anime does bring up a good point in the next post.

Wiz pwns Warrior pwns Sin pwns...Wiz. It would be nice to see where Rangers and HA fit into the cycle of pwnage. I do think that a Wiz has a better chance against a similar level Temp/HA than they do against a similar level Archer/Ranger.

[AnimePimp66]

for the 4 main classes imo it goes like this assumeing there is no tonics hp buff sc pots w.e purely class vs class with only tiny pots mage pwn knight...knight pwn rogue ....rogue pwn mage... healers can b hardest or easyest on a same lv for any of us lol depending on there stratagy. so with us ima say hardest for me is rogue. rogue is hard for me cause stratigic skills such as ice iceball magic beam they will naturaly dodge w.o tonics and rendor the conventional stratagy useless and end end make spam all my pots or w.e big game of luck when in duel with them lol. why knights pwn them is because it dosnt matter if anything misses really there atvantage is insane def they suppost to get hit thats what they do.. so who better for them to duel than the lower dmg person they can reach xD and why mage is knights worst nightmare... well thats pretty self explainatory xD all i kno is ice+iceball= no moving xD

archer or temp are anyyyyy of the 4 main classes worst enemy we are on a whole other lv of disatvantages vs them but for me tho i have hardest time killing a HA because it is very hard to land high dmg combos that are vital for a mage to win due to the bh cd stratagy sait rising saves and the self heal makes dots pretyy much useless as well lol i wish i knew more about same lv archers but all my hp/mp is gone and im dead b4 i kno *** hit me LOL unless however i manage to hit first then it can b an easy win for meh ;3 but for those 2 i would have to say they rival classes if u look at them.. there skills like cancel each other out templers would problably say archers are hardest archers could prolly say templers are hardest it is in the end skill combo stoping self heal tank against the highest dmg per sec ranged maniac xD who wins who knos xD they dunt duel each other much that i get to see. at least not on a same lv(i see plenty kos) but i kno this a 13x ranger vs 13x HA would b an awesome duel O:



again this is all assuming there is no spark cash atvantages purely class vs class hardest... stratagywise with skills not the art of hpbuffed cs pot spam... xD

[FatTony30]

u should speak form ur experience instead of what u think our skills do... we r NOT warriors, why? cause we dont have their ubber def & we dont hit as hard... Saint Rising has 2 mins cooldown and we dont have "mad" healing skills, we dont heal as fast as everyone thinks we do.

Adios!

PS: sorry for going off topic, but assumptions gets on my nerves

I'm not making any assumptions, I'm well aware of all the points you make. They are still, in my opinion, the 2nd hardest class to kill. I forgot to add that those skills coupled with your pot carrying capacity are another reason I think this.

[MarvHartigan]

if u r THAT aware then dont say we r warriors >_>
Why do you think Marco dominates so hard? He's got immense skill speed and crushing power from his Beast Dagger and Shock Troops skill.
u forgot to mentions his awesome SC Large HP Pot Spamming speed...

however I think Sin is a really difficult class to kill, why? Cause they can kill u first.

Adios!

[ggBuRNe]

Why do you think Marco dominates so hard? He's got immense skill speed and crushing power from his Beast Dagger and Shock Troops skill.

In duel:

For me the hardest is HA/Templar as ever. I did beat shaoran in duel but i lost twice due to haxor introspection speed and I never won against StriderHien in duel even with Sc. Second hardest is Sin class. Dodge is hax.

However, Marco lost twice in fair duels (dueled twice) with no elixir against me at 137. He resetted his stat to pure Agi, screwed his dodge and had 560 hp.. that is like 4 reg hit kill. However, I lost to Levonta with Angel PJ.. too hax too fast xD

Ranger? One arrest amp hit 2-3 hit kill with no sc. Well, if they had extra hp, it would be kinda hard with no sc. *Shiki is god* HOWEVER, with attack wing + attack candy + attack mount etc, they are the strongest in 1 v 1 duel. The damage is too high. 150+ per reg hit..

Warrior? Usually I asked for SC mp pot and i only carry tiny HP. With SC MP against elixir or no elixir, Magic Shield overpowered their slow skill.

Priest?

Idk. With curse elixir, they could never hurt my hp. Magic Shield FTW!

In party big PvP, the strongest is sin class xD They would survive all the way with their dodge.

[agha_torab]

The hardest for me to kill is another healer. It's not actually difficult, but just takes a long time. I have to conserve my MP and wait for them to run out of pots first (and curse elixers as well).

Sins are also a challenge because of their many stuns. They're the only class that actually forces me to use HP pots sometimes. They're definately the most difficult for me to survive against.

I don't have any problems against the other classes. Of course there are certain people that are difficult to beat because they are good players (Foger and Baten). Foger is definately right about the curse elixers, it makes healers a lot easier to take on. But like I said above, I just need to survive long enough for them to run out, and with all of my MP healing skills, it's only a matter of time before they run out of MP pots as well.

[bobalitos]

depends on the level actually XD

*If everyone is lvl 136 and using tiny pots*

Duel:
Paladin with a lot of sta is THE HARDEST to kill. No need for pots really... and you cant kill due to the HP. Your stuns will run out but they will still have leftover life and enough mp to heal themselves. plus that hp->mp convert thing... but this is weak for attacking XD

In a war:
If many people are hitting you, it's best to be a shadow master XD
Dodge is good in a war.

Oh, how can i forget: GM IS THE HARDEST TO KILL.

[bloodly-chan]

Gotta agree with Bob's post. That is, if everyone's equal.

Coming from a Priest's point of view, I personally think Sin's the hardest to kill. Dodge is painful. Not to mention they do so much damage to you, and dust blade can stun; most of the time you're dead before you can even heal. Archers are similar, but if you get them to agree to a no pot duel, you're clear, given you have enough hp.

Wizards annoy me greatly, the magic shield is just . . . Needs to die. >>' Coupled with curse pots, their hp is untouchable. Not to mention their damage is really amazing. Amped magic flame + magic beam, and a few magic fires and your'e dead before the beam's stun wears off. [Not even gonna go into Fog's super hax damage...]

Priest vs priest... Just long, annoying, and pointless, I personally think. >>'

Temp/HA is annoying because of their heals, but if you can double DoT them as a healer, then IQ, that eat through their assist and great sphere, but if they have a good amount of Ment, then you might not be able to move because of force blasts's stun ablity... And as for HA, oblivion, ghost steal, and run for your life, and you might have a chance.

Warriors are hard to kill if you can't slow them, but if you get too close to them, you're might as well doomed because of their huge chain of stuns...

I think that's it? o.O'

Just my thoughts though...

[Arkova]

It all depends on alot of things...no clear answer I would say.

[fuad199rpg]

****This is an opinion from a noob****

well... for me hardest class to kill is always cleric/priest/paladin, since spirit is the skill that hardly misses on me and if i run out of stunners before killing im done for, good thing is dmg they do is little, but Dot... ouch, any other if they are my lv are easy, and rogue vs rogue is so easy lol

but actually it depends a lot on who is dueling who

[D-Styles]

im giving this to Temps and Holy Avengers.

Id have to say that class is just like healers, except with major defense. Burning Hands is a much better stun skill to use than spirit and with cooldown being so low and lasting longer.. So if you ever try to skill spam (even if you did do high dmg), boom.. Sky slapped with burning hands.. DOT's dont work either, a good Assist heal/Great Sphere is the best remedy. Lets not forget that they can achieve that Auto Genesis skill. Compared to a healer, they can carry much more pots also. Good luck dueling a HA

[sedfvgt]

I say Rangers are hardest to kill, as mentioned the awesome weight capacity and multiple DOTs really hurt bad ... plus ive seen some demonstrations , like a 101 Archer killed 136+ Paladin in mere seconds i think the duel lasted about 10 seconds tops

Assasins are hard to kill too, dodge is a little ... awesome

Wizards (pure int) are hard to kill too, a duel with a same lvl Wiz is like having a death wish (applies to fighters only i think)

Templars are tough too, sure they dont heal as much but imo they are tough 40 hp per sec, and if you can only damage a templar about 60 dmg, its gonna be a long battle, and the temp has the advantage for at least 9 seconds every 2 mins

Healers well i dont have any experience against a healer so i cant really comment

oh and against fellow fighters? the better defense wins

[ggBuRNe]

okay.. hardest class to KILL is Templar class. Fastest killer is Archer class. this poll is not right at all. you have to have lots of experience in pvp against different opponents at any level to know.

[agha_torab]

I say Rangers are hardest to kill, as mentioned the awesome weight capacity and multiple DOTs really hurt bad ... plus ive seen some demonstrations , like a 101 Archer killed 136+ Paladin in mere seconds i think the duel lasted about 10 seconds tops
Which Paladin was that? I can't remember the last time I lost to a Ranger in a duel. I even beat Sakura when he was 125 and I was 116. I'd like to give you another demonstration :<

[bobalitos]

who answered archer/ranger??

we die so fast without SC pots.. that's the only way to survive in a war for us.

oh and agha, that paladin didnt have much of sta-unlike you x.x

[unknownplayerxd]

so if a archer vs rogue who will win?:confused:

[hihihi00]

................................so who is the hardest to kill

[Kaizee]

what about Assassin? SM's & their dodge T_T

[ggBuRNe]

what about Assassin? SM's & their dodge T_T

dodge is overrated. hardest is templar for me. 2nd is sin.

[Necronomicron]

lol people are blind or didnt read correctly

because archers/ranger do a lot-fast dmg doesnt mean
we are that hard to kill lol our hp is low and def not too good
w/o sc pots its not that easy

mage class: do more dmg and always has magic shield so they
end up with more hit points than us anyway

thieves: if we miss anke and bramb we are in big trouble lol (that happens a lot,
especially if they use dodge candy)

templars: the only thing i can say here is: bh</3

healers: if healer is good at pvp its almost impossible for archer to win
unless he/she is a lot higher lvl which defeats the purpose of a duel anyway

fighters: thats practically the only class that is easy to fight unless they have
rly high speed and ankle doesnt stop them that much lol

[Kaizee]

u can kill a temp if u can ran away from that grr BH T_T

[Necronomicron]

u can kill a temp if u can ran away from that grr BH T_T

especially if it has increased speed... :<

[Kaizee]

though for me Assassin & his dodge is awesome xD i wonder if i can ever kill an assassin xD!

[bloodly-chan]

healers: if healer is good at pvp its almost impossible for archer to win
unless he/she is a lot higher lvl which defeats the purpose of a duel anyway


Actually...

If the archer has curse pots.. The healer can barely touch their hp.

I dueled Quin yesterday, and he had something like 400 pots on him [That's so hax... >_>'], and curse pots. So okay, I'm not pure int, so I don't do huge damage. The priest/clerics/acos/pala rely waaay too much on their curse. Everysingle good pvp skill of theirs is curse related.

After getting majorly pwned a few times, I managed to reach a point where it became a duel of 'who runs out of pots first / who's fingers cramp first'. But honestly, it was only because I had really hax hp. [1.2k+ hax enough for you?]

If the healer's caught off gaurd / stunned, it's really quite easy to kill them, given you have some hp pots and curse pots, as healer damage is so fail...

[Necronomicron]

Actually...

If the archer has curse pots.. The healer can barely touch their hp.

I dueled Quin yesterday, and he had something like 400 pots on him [That's so hax... >_>'], and curse pots. So okay, I'm not pure int, so I don't do huge damage. The priest/clerics/acos/pala rely waaay too much on their curse. Everysingle good pvp skill of theirs is curse related.

After getting majorly pwned a few times, I managed to reach a point where it became a duel of 'who runs out of pots first / who's fingers cramp first'. But honestly, it was only because I had really hax hp. [1.2k+ hax enough for you?]

If the healer's caught off gaurd / stunned, it's really quite easy to kill them, given you have some hp pots and curse pots, as healer damage is so fail...

u healers are hax anyways :< and i hatechu all ...D:

[bloodly-chan]

u healers are hax anyways :< and i hatechu all ...D:
We're hax? D:

Say that to the rangers who do 600+ on us with amp windblow. D;

[sedfvgt]

heres my logic

who is harder to kill? the one who can kill you in seconds or the one who has to make you run out of pots?

it depends on your class, your level, your stats, your skill (how well you move your fingers actually),
and how lucky you are.

there is no right answer to your question compassion

[tengokuken]

I would say, hardest to kill is your own class lol!

Cause its either fast and deadly or long and painful xD

[comp4ssion]

Something I've been seeing a lot in here: "There is no one right answer to your question."

And I concur...this is more of an opinion and discussion thread than anything.

But it's nice to see that people are posting and discussing it, that's why I made the thread. =)

[Necronomicron]

We're hax? D:

Say that to the rangers who do 600+ on us with amp windblow. D;

well....u deserve it D<
;_;

[bloodly-chan]

well....u deserve it D<
;_;
D:!

You... you.... Classist! Dx

[fuad199rpg]

...healers are easy <.< specially with hax dodge, u can dodge curse like crazy, but not spirit.... anyways, for me hardest to kill has always been templars and rogues, but thats only cause i do little damage, rogues with higher dmg might have a diferent opinion

[licgenier]

rofl fuad i gotta say 2 things:
lvl 9x- healers=piece of cake.
lvl 1xx=run for ur life Oo.
healers are and arent easy to take depending of how prepared for pvp they are.
A healer lvl 100+ normaly has a lot of sta and they heal way too much hp Dx so after all ur stuns finish they still have enough hp to spirit you, heal, buff and use those damn curses i hate so much.
Also a healer lvl 9x or lower usualy are full int some of them already added a bit of sta but its hard to find one wih lots of sta at those lvls, so if u have a huge attack power u can take any healer with just 1 combo IF they dont have any hp pots or antidotes ._.
Personaly i think the hard to take its the player not the class of his char. A good pvper can always pawn no matter the class(taking in count that everyone is around the same lvl).

[Necronomicron]

D:!

You... you.... Classist! Dx

hell yea...D:

[AmirulAkmal]

She's lost

[dj78x]

id say sins/sm



but honestly, i used to be powerfull in pvp... Im a 11x healer and i used to kick some booty xp

not anymore nope, freakin suxes.

im talkin about facing ppl around my level too. sure if my iq does over 50 or so damage is good because thats what pots heal plus obliv =30 with gs = 60

and thas all good. Just gota plan gs for when there close to death.

anyways, our armor just keeps sucking >.> the higher level i get D=

maybe its just me but i feel like other classes are surpassing me as they level :/

[ChaosAD]

I've never had trouble with Priests and Paladin. They fall every time to my huge damage. Holy Avengers used to be impossible for me but now they're a piece of cake, again because of overwhelming damage.

Sins and Shadows are still the ones that can kick my *** if im not careful x_x Then Warlords comes after them as hardest. high damage high def high hp and tons of pots. hard to take down.

[Alma_Adhara2]

depends, as healer i wouldnt say sins cuz of Antibuff cough! XD Warriors etc are easy if u can slow them COUGH! and hmmm i would say HAs and temps Q.Q they are so hard to kill.

[ggBuRNe]

as a warrior, sin and SM.. probably wizard too without elixir that is.. I pawn ranger lmao !! flask ftw !

[agha_torab]

These discussions become so pointless. It all depends on the player. Like Foger, he is easy to beat. =D

[sweet-devil]

i say templars, Burning hands and saint rising rule 8D

[MrBlueberry]

Lmao, rangers arent anythign to kill in PvP, if I remember correctly, in a 1on1 duel with some rangers... I'll just use spadez for example, it was the "wait til 0 fades" type deal, lolz and like ALL rangers, he jumped the gun, but since we amped b4, i either A: Breeze, Blindside (usually dead by then) if not I finished him off with dust. B: Evil Voiced, amped, and retried, easily killed~ Sooo, in sence, a sin with tiger ap lvl 3, attack wings and red bell, you could finish off anyone pretty fast ;3 But since this is "what class is hardest to kill" not "which kills fastest" I'd have to go Holy Avenger, I'm not state my reason, but thats my opinion ;3
Ascendancy Ftw!

[theblind_bandit]

sin/shadow is the hardest in my opinion...unless as its been stated before and them getting antibuffed by a healer, but in a fair duel, i would say the sin/shadow class...and it does actually depend on the person too ._. Wizards/archmages CAN be easy to kill, but it depends which one you are up against. I have a 106 archer and even with high attack, I have only been successful killing 112+ sins or shadow on a VERY rare occasion and I admit 2/3 of those rare times I was using sparkcash. Well unless they have bad dodge, then they are hard to kill. DONT UNDERESTIMATE WIZZIES AND ARCHMAGES Dx ok im done ._.

[victorjr4352]

it's a bit late for me to reply but Oh well here i go...
For me Sins n SMs are the hardest in my opinion, 2nd Hardest are HAs
Paladins, Archmages, Warlords and other Rangers= piece of cake those are the easiest for me to beat in pvp, with all respect D<

[kuwabara21]

Xenian is the hardest to kill coz they have no mercy! LMAO

[dylanangel]

Way to necro

[GM_Bondo]

*sprays the thread with holy water*

Oh no, it's a zombie! Back, beast! Back!

The rest of you flee! I shall close it! ^,~.