GREED... once again

[yanane]

It's really desperate but lately I've ran into a new kind of greedy people : map monopolisers...
Some low level farmers who dont even have aoe skill are mobbing all the monsters of a specific kind (all the krapuns for ex) for afterward single killing them...
Why is that greed ? Because it takes for ever for them to kill their mob, and I'm sick of waiting for those greedy people to finish their work and the slow respawn.

I have nicely told those people that what they were doing was selfish and wrong, and I just got ignored or worsed laughed at, getting childish comments such as :
'And what you gonna say/do if you don't like it ?'
'I'm doing that because I want to, rofl'

So now I'm warning all ya greedy selfish people.
As soon as I will see someone doing that, I will immediately get on my warrior and spam wild swing to make all the monsters run.
What you greedy people are doing is just as unfair as a kill steal.
My time to be a meanie, my time to have fun.
If you guys want to farm for items and don't have aoe skill, just do it like everyone else by solo kills.

[tazsbigtoy]

I've been seeing this a lot lately too. It's the new interest in the pet quest that has started it and a lot of people are looking for wood and leather. If they want to mob they should stick to taking a few monsters at a time, trying to take all of one type on a whole map when you have to single kill is rude and really isn't any faster than single killing them. It's actually slower since they have to take the time the gather them all, when if they single killed they would also be getting the respawn much faster. There is a pretty good chance you are dealing with some higher level players' alts, I would take some screen shots of the situation first. The general consensus on the forums is that is you don't have an aoe skill, you can't charge someone who hits your mob with ksing. I have never seen an official opinion on that though, maybe we need to get one.

[Kendrah]

I'd take SS of them and report them. They used to do this a lot too when FW was a rare drop. They used to monopolize the two or three maps it would drop in. >< I think it's wrong too.

[Ayanami]

Um, yea, this is a really obnoxious practice, and there's absolutely zero reason for it. There is no advantage to it without an aoe skill. If anything, it takes LONGER (you need to collect all the mobs before you even start killing) and it's far more dangerous (you're taking constant damage).

When I see people mobbing, I politely ask them to stop, or at least to limit the mobs they take.

If they continue to take the whole map, I warn them "If I can't find any krapuns, I'm coming for yours!"

And that usually escalates to a shouting match.

So then I get my sparkcash decked out neophyte and mob the map too, to show them how obnoxious it is.

And then there's more name calling and KSing...and eventually one of us just gets sick of it and leaves.

Yea, I'm not good with conflict resolution..... :(

[Daft_Brat]

If they don't have an aoe skill they shouldn't be mobbing, end of story. The map doesn't belong to anyone, nor do the mobs. If you're hogging all the mobs that drop items that everyone needs then don't be surprised when people start picking off the mobs you aren't killing, as they should.

[Orangeman21]

This has been going on for a long time and yes its greedy...
As taz said the feeling on the forums is that you can take their mobs because they are being greedy if they don't have an aoe skill to kill with. So I would take their mobs if you can't find any other mobs and also report them if they become rude about it. I wish the GMs would give some official word on it though...

[himoses]

So far, I have found the drop rates of fairy powder, wood, and leather to not be any higher or lower on different maps when killing the same mob. If someone has some hard numbers to show otherwise, I would like to see them. There are obviously some maps that are easier to kill faster based on the mob balance and map shape like Shaio and Colorna. However, there are other maps that have these creatures (Krapuns, Holoween Moon Bears, Hawqs, Holoween Star Bears, Fairies).

Usually, there is only one or two mobs on a map that have a rare item at any given time. The thought behind mobbing the whole map at once is to increase your chance of getting said drop. I am not sure if this is effective or not. I use farming as a nice break from aoeing and only farm one or two rare items at a time per day. Sometimes, I might take as much as 10 creatures at once if they are all really close. This is done either for convenience or if there is another farmer who is being really aggressive and staying close to me or if there are a bunch of aggro hard hitters that I am stunning and running from. I rarely do this as it is a waste of time since single killing is usually faster.

I do not see the reason why people get so worked up about this. It is just a game. Everyone wants to get pet quest items as fast as possible for resale or to make another pet. That applies to the person hogging the whole map and the person trying to "invade." Do we really need a change in the TOS to outlaw mobbing until you get an aoe attack skill?

[NeoQueenElyse]

Yeah I am SO sick of this!! I find it obnoxious too if people are trying to mob monsters to try to gain experience faster. You don't have an AoE, that's just silly to be gathering mobs like that. I got extremely frustrated with the fact that people kept stealing the rare item dropping mobs and just hoarding them. I was polite and just tried to run ahead of them so I could try to kill as many as I could. I would often ask people "Why are you gathering mobs like this? You don't have an AoE skill so it's silly and just a waste of time." Most of the time I was ignored. I have never understood this practice, guess I never will... =\

[AzNRuthLess]

Something Toasty might say:

Lets not be rude, and lets share! :3 ...something i remember him saying at an event, i forgot which.

But, I believe...if someone is doing that...and to think that it is a higher level player's alt most of the time, it's sad...it really is. Conclusion is, if you can't find a mob, and someone is holding it, because they are mobbing, yet can't aoe, then start picking! Just because the mob is on them, doesn't mean its really his/her mob...

I believe KSing is when you hit a mob that someone else is hitting...and SO!!!...if the mob is just hitting them and on them, that means it's not their mob, meaning it's not KS! Lets all be friends and KS (but not KS). :3

[NeoQueenElyse]

Yeah, technically can't you say "Oh my, you have so many mobs on you, let me help you out because it looks dangerous and I don't want you to die and lose 7% experience. I'll save you!" Hahahahahah... We're sneaky aren't we? o.o

[AzNRuthLess]

Yeah, technically can't you say "Oh my, you have so many mobs on you, let me help you out because it looks dangerous and I don't want you to die and lose 7% experience. I'll save you!" Hahahahahah... We're sneaky aren't we? o.o

LOL!!! yea, something like that. But like I was saying, it's technically not KS, if the person is not hitting the mob. Sure they might have mobbed it, but they aren't killing it. So how can it be kill stealing if the person isn't killing it? O.o Prove me wrong you 3X mobbers!!!

[NeoQueenElyse]

Loophole ftw!!!!

[himoses]

Yeah, technically can't you say "Oh my, you have so many mobs on you, let me help you out because it looks dangerous and I don't want you to die and lose 7% experience. I'll save you!" Hahahahahah... We're sneaky aren't we? o.o

Solution found! :D

Or, if you can get your hands on Alastor's one-hit kill death slap....

[Ayanami]

I do not see the reason why people get so worked up about this. It is just a game. Everyone wants to get pet quest items as fast as possible for resale or to make another pet. That applies to the person hogging the whole map and the person trying to "invade." Do we really need a change in the TOS to outlaw mobbing until you get an aoe attack skill?

A reasonable person like yourself taking a few mobs isn't a big deal. It only becomes a big deal when 1) there are multiple people on the same map doing the same thing or 2) when some jerk comes in and takes the whole map. The first issue can usually be dealt with using a polite shout or whisper. The problem is the second case.

I believe the TOS already outlaws harassment of other players, so I think jerks like this would fall under that clause. It's essentially "holding the map", and people have been punished for it in the past. So yea, I don't think it's necessary to update the TOS or anything.

The only issue I would think might come up is if you "KS" the jerk in question, and they get it in their head to report you for KSing. If a CSR/GM unfamilar with the game looks at the screenie, they might say "yes, that person is KSing" but be unaware of the context. And YOU might be punished. So, before you go and pick off someone's mobs, take screenies of any rude comment(s) they may have made towards you, and of any polite requests that you've made to them. That way you have some evidence if they try and report you.

THREADJACK:
How do you guys feel about squires/knights doing reflect aoe on common aoe maps? I find it kinda annoying, since they take so long to kill. I think they should be banished to the mines or more abandoned maps, rather than crowded into skitchy, rudwick, the ice maps, etc.

[tazsbigtoy]

Sometimes, I might take as much as 10 creatures at once if they are all really close. This is done either for convenience or if there is another farmer who is being really aggressive and staying close to me or if there are a bunch of aggro hard hitters that I am stunning and running from. I rarely do this as it is a waste of time since single killing is usually faster.

I do not see the reason why people get so worked up about this. It is just a game. Everyone wants to get pet quest items as fast as possible for resale or to make another pet. That applies to the person hogging the whole map and the person trying to "invade." Do we really need a change in the TOS to outlaw mobbing until you get an aoe attack skill?

I do the same when farming on my squire or neo, I take a few monsters if they are close together, or if someone else is on the map and being very aggressive, I rarely take more than 5 though. I don't try to take every mob that drops the item I am after on the map. I hate when people do that to me, so I avoid it. Two very practicaL reasons for not taking a big mob without an aoe skill is that you tend to take a lot of damage, so if you run out of pots, or something happens to your healer, then you likely die and lose that mob you gathered, b) unless you are using slime beans it's really easy to not see that rare drop or to mistake a piece of leather for a soldier letter and lose it. I don't think we need to change tos to make mobbing wrong, but I don't see much difference in holding a map by gathering and not killing when you can aoe and hogging a map by gathering all of a type of mob on a lower level map when you know you have to single kill them. Both acts are rude and show a lack of consideration for other players.

[AzNRuthLess]

THREADJACK:
How do you guys feel about squires/knights doing reflect aoe on common aoe maps? I find it kinda annoying, since they take so long to kill. I think they should be banished to the mines or more abandoned maps, rather than crowded into skitchy, rudwick, the ice maps, etc.

I think this, because I am guilty of this, reflecting in those maps are very slow for other players. But I can honestly say, it pretty much is based on "how" you reflect aoe. The way some players do it, they take their sweet time, about 10 minutes to mob, while killing hard hitters along the way >.>;, and take 10 minutes to kill it all at once with reflection and its cooldowns. Along with weak atk pow, it takes forever. And yes, this is annoying.

But, if they are reflect aoeing, as they are walking, this is another story. I am guilty of reflect aoeing in these maps, but I do it as I am walking. This, will cause constant respawns, of course, so for grinding parties it might be kinda dangerous. But, it also gets rid of the lack in spawn time for them. By the time I am halfway through the map, the first mobs, I've grabbed are dead and already respawning for other players. So in this case, the map always has mobs for grinding parties, and I'm constantly getting my share of mobs with reflect aoe as I am walking around the map.

So, pretty much by the time I get halfway around a map, for every mob I grab, one dies. It might not be that accurate, but surely close. So roughly 50% of the map is with me, but the other 50% is free for grinding parties, so it evens out.

So pretty much, if you are grabbing the mobs, taking 10 minutes to grab because you are killing hard hitters along the way (I personally hate this, why can't the person just stun the hard hitter and run? >.>) and then stand there for another 10 minutes to kill. And to add, I've seen some people who just waits for reflection cooldown and does nothing else. As it is in cooldown, why not single kill mobs, as you are reflecting? O.o

[Orangeman21]

THREADJACK:
How do you guys feel about squires/knights doing reflect aoe on common aoe maps? I find it kinda annoying, since they take so long to kill. I think they should be banished to the mines or more abandoned maps, rather than crowded into skitchy, rudwick, the ice maps, etc.

THREADJACK REPLY:
I think its fine if the squire/knight knows how to do walking reflect aoe (so much faster than normal aoe and provides small respawns quickly) and also reflect aoe is done on maps with hard hitters so doesn't matter to much. It only gets annoying if the squire/knight takes the whole map at once and takes forever to kill and its even worse now with the advent of many more defense items having extremely low attack power for the map(this can apply for aoers with normal aoe skills like wild swing and cirlce trap).

On topic:
Yes its a waste of time to gather a map without an aoe skill and doesn't increase drop rate of the items I would probally get more items than an gatherer because I am killing mobs faster than they are.

[himoses]

THREADJACK: lol....

THREADJACK REPLY: I once mobbed half a map with my aco in North Eir. A squire came on after me and started yelling at me telling me that acos cannot aoe. I proceeded to kill the mob faster with IQ than he did with reflection. Granted, his mob was larger, but I thought it was really funny.

On topic: I still like the aforementioned loophole. Although, I am a lover instead of a fighter so I tend to go on my main or change maps when I encounter a map hog. If I am particularly annoyed, I follow the person around with my warrior and wild swing the stuff out of their way or take a bunch of krapuns, bunch them together, than take all the hard hitters and bunch them by the safe zone in between the other aoer and the collected mob. Mature? Absolutely not, but definitely entertaining without being directly harassing.

[yanane]

I guess I'll be taking screen shot before starting to pick monsters in the mob then :3 !

THREADJACK REPLY ^^ : aw, now I feel guilty about doing reflection aoe in my noobish aoe sessions :D !
But since I'm not really that patient, it's true that I had found some ways to make killing faster, like walking reflection and single killing while waiting for reflection cooldown. But I remember my killings were taking about three minutes... because my sharp weapon timer was about halfway when I killed my mob :)
But yea, three minutes is still kind of long ^^;

[comp4ssion]

Threadjack Reply: I did this on my farmer Squire all the time. -.- But at least I'd be poking a member of my mob in between cooldowns to make the respawn come faster...and since this Squire didn't have SC defense items, it was relegated to sticking to maps where it didn't take a month to kill (except for the mines, where it takes pretty much any AOEr a month to kill). I'd therefore like to think that I wasn't perpetrating that badly with a 4/6 Sun sword and all...

On topic: If some high level player is mobbing a map with his low-level alt, taking all the Krapuns (or Fairies, or what have you), and doesn't have enough sense to realize that single killing, or taking only a few at a time, is better and safer than trying to mob up the whole map, then he or she doesn't need a pet. Nuff said. =)

[techno-viking]

i just wade in there and steal their mobs if they hog the map.

[BellaAnimorum]

ON TOPIC: I'll never get tired of doing this or letting everyone of you know:

You see a low level player pulling all of a ertain enemy, and they obviously do not have an AoE skill, walk up to them and say,

"No aoe = no kill steal."

And promptly take a mob and kill it. Feel free to repeat. I have yet to be reprimanded for this, and because you addressed the issue, they cannot screen shot you ks'ing them. Of course, try to go for mobs that they are not presently attacking, and should they start hitting the mob you took, then it's fair game!

^.^

EDIT: Added a bit.

[requiemofdecember]

Well you know if healers try farming or just soloing cus they can (I like the occasional solo myself on my aco), I think its fair that they can gather mobs, just because we dont get an aoe attack. if you say you cant mob without an aoe attack, then healers are just getting ripped off kinda :/

[catry]

TBH it doesn't really bother me all that much, mainly because I run around the various similar maps anyway.
But I always get a good chuckle because there's one seemingly little-known fact about mobbing without an AoE move: it takes several times as long and burns a lot more pots than single-killing with the same gear =P So I take solace in knowing that while they're blowing away their pots and wasting xens on nub equips, I'm killing twice as many mobs in the same time frame.

[opensunflowers]

Just KS them. They deserve it.

[yanane]

Well you know if healers try farming or just soloing cus they can (I like the occasional solo myself on my aco), I think its fair that they can gather mobs, just because we dont get an aoe attack. if you say you cant mob without an aoe attack, then healers are just getting ripped off kinda :/

For god sake please quit it with that healer class not having aoe skill ! If you guys want to aoe, then delete your healer and go make a warrior or whatever class that has an aoe skill ! You are a healer. You will get a healing AOE skill, and that perfectly suit your job.

TBH it doesn't really bother me all that much, mainly because I run around the various similar maps anyway.
But I always get a good chuckle because there's one seemingly little-known fact about mobbing without an AoE move: it takes several times as long and burns a lot more pots than single-killing with the same gear =P So I take solace in knowing that while they're blowing away their pots and wasting xens on nub equips, I'm killing twice as many mobs in the same time frame.

What bothers me is not their lack of intelligence for not figuring out that what they're doing is more pot or xen stone consuming. I am just sick of waiting for the respawn of the monsters, that's all.

[wardomic]

Hmm.... mobbing without an aoe move huh, been there done that it's not any good, it's way too slow and as other people have said a waste of pots and time.

HOWEVER!!!
With me on my neo mobbing krapuns, an aco for buffs and healing, and a scout for side killing who switches to an archer after the mob has been gathered, uses Brambleway and 2 Recticle traps, then switches back to his scout, and then we proceed to kill the krapuns who didn't run away(none died since Recticle doesn't crit :D) and we get 1 leather and a wood in that mobbing session, and another leather after that one. Apparently if a high level hits a monster then leaves the map or logs off, the drop rate returns to whoever kills it(extremely hard to test with rare drops but that was my take on it)

This kind of mob and kill is fun and beneficial in that the speed of kills is extremely fast so no need for other people to wait for respawns, and we get our leather and wood.

LOL that's one of the very few examples of mobbing without an aoe skill being good instead of bad, if not the only one and the drop rate of items because the high level archer hit the mobs is debateable even tho he logged off after it.

[Eitaro]

Wow, I was just about to post something about this. I'm glad so many people are in consensus. With leather prices going for 4-6mil now its almost as rare as a xen. So if you think about it, hogging krapuns and hawgs is like hogging all of santa reindeers and expecting people to wait for you to kill them. Fat chance. The people who are more savy at farming can kill these mobs waaaay faster than you can even collect them. With two or three such farmers on the map, these things respawn like crazy. People need to realize that it is about the speed of your kills, not how many you can gather that will get you more drops at the end of the day.

I'm one of those that will pick away at the mobs if I see someone mobbing them without aoe-skill. I think it's pretty pathetic that they start to threaten me with screencapture/report. Then ironically, they usually get mad enough log in to their high lvl alts and start to kill steal me (by the real definition of the term). I then take screenshots of that and report them for giggles. Lol :p

[dreaming-rose]

I find it especially awesome when i'm minding my own business, killing one mob at a time, trying to farm, and some jerk who's also running around farming, drops the mobs attacking him on me. I absolutely hate that, I mean why would you keep the mobs following you, and then when you see the innocent bystander minding their own business, run by them and drop the mobs you don't want to take a minute to kill, on them? Its pathetic really.

People need to realize that the mobs will be there all the time, so really, its not a life or death situation trying to farm an item, even if its leather, wood, or whatever rare item is needed. If it can't be farmed today, no big deal do it another day, you'll eventually get it, just don't go around stupidly hogging mobs because you're a greedy person and want all the drops for yourself.

[requiemofdecember]

For god sake please quit it with that healer class not having aoe skill ! If you guys want to aoe, then delete your healer and go make a warrior or whatever class that has an aoe skill ! You are a healer. You will get a healing AOE skill, and that perfectly suit your job.



What bothers me is not their lack of intelligence for not figuring out that what they're doing is more pot or xen stone consuming. I am just sick of waiting for the respawn of the monsters, that's all.

Im not complaining about having an aoe? Im just saying it seems a little unfair if you say people cant mob unless they have an aoe oO

[BellaAnimorum]

Im just saying it seems a little unfair if you say people cant mob unless they have an aoe oO

That isn't the purpose of this thread. The argument is that people, who gather a whole map's worth of enemies that drop specific items, threaten those of us who wish to kill the same enemies with "you're ksing me!" screenies when they obviously do not have an aoe skill, thus have no purpose in gathering so many at once.
It is about greed mixed with stupidity, plain and simple.

You want to gather a few enemies on your healer? Go right ahead, but if you try to mob an entire map, expect to be kill stealed. That's all we are saying.

EDIT: Punctuation.

[Daft_Brat]

Well you know if healers try farming or just soloing cus they can (I like the occasional solo myself on my aco), I think its fair that they can gather mobs, just because we dont get an aoe attack. if you say you cant mob without an aoe attack, then healers are just getting ripped off kinda :/

The arguement is that people are taking large numbers of mobs on a map that drop a rare item that many people are now farming because the demand has risen. This can be seen as hogging because you are not killing them all at once, instead you are keeping others on the map from sharing in those mobs. So why exactly should aco's be allowed to do this when people are saying that no one should do it without an AOE. Why do you need 8 mobs following you when you can't kill them all at once?

[tazsbigtoy]

Im not complaining about having an aoe? Im just saying it seems a little unfair if you say people cant mob unless they have an aoe oO

It's not so much that they pull a mob as it is that they insist on taking every mob that drops the item or items they are looking for even though they know other people are on the map farming and they know that it will take them a very long time to kill the mob. Noone is really complaining about the person that gathers 10 or 12 monsters at a time and kills them. That really doesn't inconvience anyone else as there should still be monsters for the other people on the map.

[holli_hobbi]

I totally agree. I have never seen the point of mobbing without an aoe skill. Its MORE time consuming, and a waste of resources. My husband and I (with only casual farming, and no mobbing) have farmed the leather and wood for upward of six pet quests (for friends and guildies). So as a very experienced farmer.... single kill is faster and more cost effective.

[kandy3]

lol i agree with the no mob if no aoe skill thing... even though i used to mob monsters before i had a skill but i was a noob and didnt understand much about it. and ya if a high lvls alt is doing that i wouldnt think twice on ksing them cause its pathetic. cause they dont like it when other people do that to them so y should they start it.
if u warn them 2ce to stop mobing then start ksing the hell out of them. even if it means not showing ur face to pvp for a week or two.

[opensunflowers]

ILAUYS(*^AYSIHILAUS)A*&S
Why are you people even still arguing!

It's pointless to mob without an AoE skill. It's rude, it wastes potions, and people hate you for it. There is no advantage other than being a greedy loser.

KS people mobbing, they deserve it. And it's not even technically KSing if you take a monster that they aren't even hitting.

[izabellizima]

Everyone here sais holding mobs is wrong. Holding mobs???!?!?!?!?! o.O
I'm so naive! I thought, honestly, that when a low level with no aoe skills has two monsters on him (or uhm, 13) it was my charitable duty to aid with the one(s) he had his back turned to. Oh my!

This makes me wanna aoe Belteranin on my SM!
If only those cabagge-heads weren't so terrifying.
Nightmares, people, nighmares!!!!!!

[LightintheDarkness]

I've seen this too and for me it's not that they're doing it so much as what CLASS they're using to do it. I mean I feel REALLY horrible when I see an APPRENTICE out there mobbing all the Krapuns in Colrona. And I'm a lvl 50 neo and I STILL don't have the def for that!! I mean honestly, the money they have to put into their gears just to be able to get the whole map's worth of "rare item drop monsters" is probably about the same as the money they get from selling it all. However, there IS an advantage for them when they do this. Ever been killing one of these things and see someone else getting all the rare drops? Well when hey hold all the monsters of that type behind them, they eliminate that possibility. However, I still think it's wrong to do this. If they want this stuff so badly, they're gonna have to spend hours on end searching for it like the rest of us!

[Tonizi]

I have to agree with Yanane. Pm me anytime and i wild swing them with you!! :D

On the other hand, i found once something similar. I got to a map, the one b4 inkwell, can't recall the name where i arrived without aoe skill, under 66 on my neo.

Can't recall either who got there first but there was a party that were taking all map, and taking forever to aoe the map.

Since i could mob (but without aoe skill) and since they were taking forever to mob all map, i tryed to mob some of the non agros to kill while they were on the "take forever" all map mob.

I don't need to say that i got aoed by them on my mob...

So, who's the greedy one there? It's difficult to say. I've been playing for along time. So i have to say that i saw plenty of "greedy" people in game. The opposite either (there r people allways ready to help u out). But sometimes things are not just as white n black as we imagined.

Expecting comments on this!!!!

[dylanangel]

Something Toasty might say:

Lets not be rude, and lets share! :3 ...something i remember him saying at an event, i forgot which.

But, I believe...if someone is doing that...and to think that it is a higher level player's alt most of the time, it's sad...it really is. Conclusion is, if you can't find a mob, and someone is holding it, because they are mobbing, yet can't aoe, then start picking! Just because the mob is on them, doesn't mean its really his/her mob...

I believe KSing is when you hit a mob that someone else is hitting...and SO!!!...if the mob is just hitting them and on them, that means it's not their mob, meaning it's not KS! Lets all be friends and KS (but not KS). :3

Sad fact of the matter is they hit that mob to chase them ;) and you cant really say they did or didnt. Its mob KSing if you come along because your angry and you WS and "help" them or use Sandstorm and poof be gone. Yes its very rude to do but they need the items just like all of you do. Unfortunately we dont have all the happy go lucky players in that game all the time who are kind enough to share. Lots n lots of greedy I need it all the time players are being shown

[Ayanami]

Sad fact of the matter is they hit that mob to chase them ;) and you cant really say they did or didnt. Its mob KSing if you come along because your angry and you WS and "help" them or use Sandstorm and poof be gone. Yes its very rude to do but they need the items just like all of you do. Unfortunately we dont have all the happy go lucky players in that game all the time who are kind enough to share. Lots n lots of greedy I need it all the time players are being shown

Meh, you can take screenies in preparation, of you asking them politely to stop hogging all the mobs. Just letting them do what they want while you get forced onto another map...I don't think we should have to take that.

My own passive-aggressive response is typically getting my own neo and gathering up the whole map and holding it. When they walk by, I kill a couple so they don't think I'm holding. Ehehehehehe. Oooor I go get my ranger and follow the guy around and just shoot anything in front of him before he hits it! Yea, that one's even more fun!
(Warning: I can be a real jerk, huh? So don't do what Aya-chan does unless you're ready to make a few enemies!)

But to say we can't "KS" them is really unfair. If we have proof, we should be KSing the crud outta jerks like this. Getting a level 100+ character to do it is perhaps a tad bit antagonistic, but hey, even a 100+ warrior can get leather drops if he kills enough krapuns, so he can say he's just "farming" also. ;)

[LewCfurPrime]

I'm gonna be the one to go out on a limb and actually admit to doing this. I think it's hilarious! So my alt has the defense to do it, big deal; I actually try not to upset people, and until now, no one has EVER gotten mad at me for doing it! But, on a side note, I also party people who are needing the drops, and I try to do it when other people are not around(if that makes it any better). I haven't for a while, because as was previously stated, you take a lot of damage and use a lot of pots.
Also, I have realized that it is easier to just single kill the enemies, and my farmers have gotten better weapons, so I am now an officially retired non-AOE skill mobber^^.

THREADJACK RESPONSE:
Awwwww, c'mon, that's kinda kickin' squires in tha nootz, isn't it? I mean, just because their first AOE skill kinda blows, you gonna banish them to a remote island? It would be nice if reflection was quicker, or did more damage(either of those). Hmmm...maybe banishment to Lifeline? That wouldn't be such a bad place for them, would it? I mean no one already goes there^^. LOL

[ryoga-chan]

I have alts that can mob the entire map even to so called HH. The point is if you can mob, should you mob?
I can farm till i have to suicide back to zero, and not burn a single hp pot. Its frustrating seeing someone run by with all the rare drop monsters in a mob while being surrounded in the glow of hp recover...

[blackice3535]

to be honest yea its not fear to other players but i cant blame them because its just as bad as higher lvl's taking advantage of lower lvl's n events. i know last year during the christmas events higher lvl's would still the reindeer kills from the lower lvl's to take there xen stones. and yes i wuz one of them n after trying for 2 weeks i only got maybe 2 or 3 stones lol it wuz horrible lol.

[notFire]

*pokes head in*

nice to see some things never change.

To thread poster, dont fret, it happens in all games to almost everyone at least once, dont let it get you down. If it becomes a constant problem, just take screenshots and submit it through the proper channels.

Good Luck!

[Ayanami]

to be honest yea its not fear to other players but i cant blame them because its just as bad as higher lvl's taking advantage of lower lvl's n events. i know last year during the christmas events higher lvl's would still the reindeer kills from the lower lvl's to take there xen stones. and yes i wuz one of them n after trying for 2 weeks i only got maybe 2 or 3 stones lol it wuz horrible lol.

A little off topic here but...I don't think many "high levels" were hanging around killing reindeer after they had collected all their kills. Why do I think this? Because as soon as you logged out, when you logged back in, you are warped back to town. If you've killed all your reindeer, you COULDN'T return. So, to continue to "farm xens" from reindeer, someone would have to stay logged in, never leave the map, and never leave to repot.

I think there was a lot of frustration with that quest because the map was so crowded, and I think that the "high levels" caught some blame that they didn't really deserve as a result. Maybe A FEW were farming xens, but to blame a whole group for the actions of a few is unfair.

[LewCfurPrime]

thot it was pretty easy to not kill things to stay in there, actually. Easiest way to keep collecting the xens^^!

[kud-dukan]

there is no rule that states you can not mob it is a pain in the hind quarters to sit through kill after kill in single order i share the maps with many people lots of times i only do 1 mob at any given time but as well you can mob any given map at any given time but i know there are people out there who are very inconsiderate of others that will not share maps at all or allow other t play on said map and as well as for ksing mobers then can just as well drop a mob on you then collect it after your dead

[Mikitan]

A friendly reminder, bumping up topics that haven't had any recent and ongoing activity is not allowed (Necroposting).

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