mace vs hammer

[mangleface]

disscuss amonsts yourselvs

[babykitt10]

I think a thread like this is ady made...

[Archaonn]

Is mace one handed and Hammer two?

Well If I'm correct then Mace because then you can use a shield and that means better defense and that means less damage taken and that means less heals and that means less sp used and that means less Sp pots and mini house used and that means more money and faster leveling

[Tamlinari]

I think I will start a thread like this in Mages and call it "Magic" "discuss amongst yourselves"
It kind of helps if you start the thread out with a question or put forth an opinion.
Just my opinion.
:D

[Gurkburk]

Is mace one handed and Hammer two?

Well If I'm correct then Mace because then you can use a shield and that means better defense and that means less damage taken and that means less heals and that means less sp used and that means less Sp pots and mini house used and that means more money and faster leveling

nope, the mace is a bit faster and has better aim, the hammer does a bit more damage and more crit%. Both are one-handed though.

[Archaonn]

nope, the mace is a bit faster and has better aim, the hammer does a bit more damage and more crit%. Both are one-handed though.

O, well my argument is destroyed then

[Greyfeld]

sorry but a hammer it may be slow and takes two hands but mine does 5 times the damage than the mace does.

Way to win the Retard of the Day reward.

As to the OP, I'm gonna have to go with hammers. The Accuracy loss is pretty small, and easily overwritten by a T1 accuracy scroll.

[Gurkburk]

I have yet to see anyone with a 2 handed hammer in this game, where do you get it?

[Tamlinari]

sorry but a hammer it may be slow and takes two hands but mine does 5 times the damage than the mace does.

Two handed hammer?
5 times the damage?
Are you even playing Fiesta?

[Greyfeld]

I have yet to see anyone with a 2 handed hammer in this game, where do you get it?

You don't, which is why I gave him the Retard of the Day award.

[farard]

hammer more damage, mace faster + cheaper you don't need to buy hammer mastery so more money for other skills.

[Thaowin]

Each has its own advatanges in certain situations. When i party, i usually use my mace, since there will most likely be a fighter and others to do damage. Solo-ing, i use my hammer to deal excellent damage.

...personally, I like the look of maces, so I vote mace. =P

[helraiser420]

hammer is 2handed? since when? O.o.......

if it is then im a strong *** cause i have a shield too ^^

[dragonslayer26]

Well, first of all im lvl46 cleric, go get you a ggk hammer with +20dex and screw a mace. lol Ill sell mine when i get lvl50 if anyones interested +20dex+2-int+10str 7%crit

[helraiser420]

I WANT!!! HOW MUCH? O.o i want it i want it i want it!!!!!!

what sever? O.o

[Arzil]

A mace is faster, but less damage.
A hammer is slower, but more damage.
Both are one handed, so you can use a shield.

I personally like the mace better. You miss less then a hammer, plus they look better. ;)

[dragonslayer26]

Teva server, my name is CutThroat "Guild Insanity" and I dont know how much i want. I paid 80s for it.

[helraiser420]

HAHA cutthroat this is helraiser as u kno ^^...... ummm 80s hmmmmm

ill haveta get back to u on that but i want it still!!!!!

[Dpogie97]

Whats with all the people saying hammers are 2 handed. Generally, if you talk about a hammer and its pros and cons, you should at least have a hammer..... KIDS THESE DAYS

[Tamlinari]

hammer more damage, mace faster + cheaper you don't need to buy hammer mastery so more money for other skills.

You still have to buy Mace Mastery and both weapons cost the same as do the skills.
Does anyone who is commenting about Clerics actually play a cleric 2x or above because I am seeing a lot of bogus information about the Cleric class being passed off as fact.
I believe the term for that is sophistry.
If you are going to comment then at least post your character name and level.

[Duffedwaffe]

Personal preference.

Hit hard or hit fast.

[Kholai]

Mace is my preference, it deals damage faster, hits more often, and looks like concentrated awesome.



In the end, with more levels of mace mastery granting damage bonuses, more hits on target, and faster strikes, which allows more hits between heals, I believe the damage more or less evens out between the two weapons, when criticals, misses and every other factors are brought in, making it more of a matter of choice than there being a clear superior between one or the other.

[Diatomic]

Mace is my preference, it deals damage faster, hits more often, and looks like concentrated awesome.



In the end, with more levels of mace mastery granting damage bonuses, more hits on target, and faster strikes, which allows more hits between heals, I believe the damage more or less evens out between the two weapons, when criticals, misses and every other factors are brought in, making it more of a matter of choice than there being a clear superior between one or the other.

totally agreed with you. i am currently using hammer, thou i prefer mace because it looks so pretty...however...bought too many hammer skills...can't afford to change....

[babykitt10]

I'm a mace whielder myself

reasons

higher atck spd = higher crit rate
additional aim ^_^
mace = kawaii
^_^

[johnkx]

-.-

Mace:

Pros:
High Aim and aspd
Cons:
Low dmg and low crit rate..

Hammer:
Pros: High Dmg and high crit rate
Cons:
Low Aspd and Aim

I use Hammer.. because it has high dmg and i just need to use an aim scroll for it's low aim..

[Xanthros]

sorry but a hammer it may be slow and takes two hands but mine does 5 times the damage than the mace does.

This is going to come off as inflammatory, but it's the only way I can say it... Are you on drugs, or are you drinking? No hammer will do 5x the damage of an equal level mace with equal lv enhancements, etc.

For that to occur, that'd mean for every 20 damage you were doing with your mace, your hammer was doing 100. If that's the case, and I can hit 350 with a mace, why isn't my hammer doing over 1750 damage? (3325 damage with a crit)? (using 1.9x for crit)

Secondary.. if the hammer is two-handed, as you say it is... how do I wear a shield too?... Which it wouldn't allow me to do with any other two-handed weapon in the game. I'm curious if you've actually ever wielded a cleric hammer at this point.

My .02,

X-

[More-san]

Hammer Its Big Its Powerful It Generally Makes U Look Cooler

[Semaj]

i rock the mace. i like the faster attack, the looks, and the accuracy since i usually fight monsters above my level, or am in a party where im just supporting.

mace FTW.

[farard]

You still have to buy Mace Mastery and both weapons cost the same as do the skills.
Does anyone who is commenting about Clerics actually play a cleric 2x or above because I am seeing a lot of bogus information about the Cleric class being passed off as fact.
I believe the term for that is sophistry.
If you are going to comment then at least post your character name and level.
__________________
before you have to buy hammer mast you already got 2 mace mast, or you should if you are not an idiot. so buying hammer mast makes your mace mast redundant and a waste of copper. + why do you need my name and lvl?? got the hots for me or what.

[AdamWest]

A little math for you guys:

at level 20, with no points into str
the mace does 135.5 points of damage per second (weapon damage+base damage/1.1)
the hammer does 136.2 points of damage per second(weapon damage+base damage/1.3)

This isn't entirely accurate, as it doesn't take into account mastery levels. But as you can see, the difference in DPS is negligible. Also it should be taken into account I'm a pure end cleric. Some clerics with end/str builds may have a high enough base damage to utilize the faster attack rate and the mace may possibly out DPS the hammer.

As far as the aim disparity, we're talking a difference of 9 measley points. you wont notice any difference on yellow mobs and if you are grinding on red mobs you should be fully scrolled anyways.

on the surface, the hammer looks to be the obvious winner as far as crit rate, however with the attack rate difference, the gap is smaller than it first appears.

a hammer will hit 46.1 times in 60 seconds at 5% crit rate, 2.3 of those will crit. A mace on the other hand will hit 54.5 times in 60 seconds. at 3% crit rate, 1.6 of those will crit. So if we extrapolate this information out that means you will crit about 3 more times with a hammer every 5 minutes than with a mace. now I am only talking about time spent actually attacking, and not including the use of any skills as that throws off the timing and is too hard to calculate for.

And this difference gets even smaller as outside crit boosters are added in. Lets say you have 1% crit earrings, 25 spr for an added 5% crit, and a completed grave robber liscense for an added 1% crit on your weapon. now the mace crits 5.45 times a minute, the hammer crits 5.532 times per minute. that added crit rate is now nothing.

So what does this mean in the end? the differences between the two are so small it doesn't matter what you chose. Get whichever one you think looks cooler.

[The_7th_Vengance]

Lol. Hammer straight up, load with buffs and spells and you're basicaly a fighter who heals himself. just .2 secs slower and i dont ever miss anyway when i fight. The damage is imense, and higher level hammers just do so much more for you. Face it, you hit harder they die faster.

[Semaj]

hey AdamWest, thank you for figuring that out. it had been decided on another thread a long time ago (maby still in closed beta?) that they were basically the same in the end, but you were able to re-prove it in a very easy to understand manner. so thank you :)

[DrowMistress]

A little math for you guys:...

I love you. -.-

I think hammers look awesome. If I could choose any weapon, it would be an axe, but I can't, so the hammer is cool to. I can live with a lower attack rate because it seems in the long run that more damage is just as good.

Maybe it's just me. -huggles hammer-

[Semaj]

I love you. -.-

I think hammers look awesome. If I could choose any weapon, it would be an axe, but I can't, so the hammer is cool to. I can live with a lower attack rate because it seems in the long run that more damage is just as good.

Maybe it's just me. -huggles hammer-

we all love our respective weapon, and as Adam has so generously pointed out the weapon really doesnt make that much of a difference.

[AdamWest]

Yeah. I buy all of the masteries because I'm weird like that, so when it comes time to buy a new weapon, I just go based on looks since they really serve no major difference when playing.

at level 20 i picked a hammer, at 30 i'll probably pick the hammer, but that horseman's flail looks so brutal, so at 40 i'll likely switch to a mace.

[HelionZebes]

I prefer the hammer because there are so many different things out there to buff accuracy and aim. Like scrolls, and rings for example.









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[Kuya86]

Wouldn't Hammer be better for spamming Bash since Bash is only based on weapon dmg and not Str or Attack Speed? It all depends on your build... you a lover or a fighter? =P

-Kuya

[Jiffypopmaob]

well, and this is my inner-tank speaking, I prefer Hammers in other games, as they deliver more damage.

[sorsorday]

A little math for you guys:


You are basically right in everything except using attack skill like bash or later trip and bleed.

Those skills ignore attack speed so hammer is the winner if you intend to spam attack skills. However, trip(with hammer) has cd of 15sec and bleed(mace) has cd of 10 sec. Bleed has greater sp consumption, tho. Basically you won't like these two skills because of their low damage. Hammer is also good for gw since high damage is the key to kill a person. This is due to the face that potions are allowed (not enforceable to disallow it...) and the main way to kill a person is by high damage + crit.

The advantage of mace is what AdamWest suggested that high base damage makes mace has a higher damage. Also, with high crit from spr, other gear, mace has actually better chance of crit than hammer.

In summary, if you are full str or almost full str, and have high crit rate, go with the mace. If you like gw, go with the hammer.

[-Drago-]

Something's amiss. How can it be that a hammer does almost exactly the damage in a minute as a mace? We see it everywhere that mace-wielders hack and hack and hack and hack, always the same enemie while hammer wielders already move on to he 4rth enemy in the same time! I just saw it today too: I was soloing a bit in MT when there was a mace-cleric (lvl 28 or 29 according to her blue skirt ;) ) fought a spider behind me. Meanwhile I (also lvl 28 but hammer-wielder) was attacked by 2 bats and a spider at once! And guess what? Although I didn't use bash, I could easily finish the mobs and even watch my other cleric colleague struggling against her spider, while eating popcorn! Both weapons were unenhanced (at least mine and her mace didn't glitter). I think the numbers figured by Adam West are just theoretical. They don't even include the enemy defense, and that's by far a very important factor!
Someone already made a real comparison between the 1-hand and 2-hand swords and axes for the fighters. Only such a real comparison can prove if the mace could really be that strong. :p

Perhaps I just don't see what my mistake is? If you know why I saw a completely differnt reality than you do with your mace/hammer comparison then please tell me! :)

PS: I'm a END/SPR cleric, so it can't be due my higher strength either. :rolleyes:

[Hydr0]

A little math for you guys:

at level 20, with no points into str
the mace does 135.5 points of damage per second (weapon damage+base damage/1.1)
the hammer does 136.2 points of damage per second(weapon damage+base damage/1.3)

This isn't entirely accurate, as it doesn't take into account mastery levels. But as you can see, the difference in DPS is negligible. Also it should be taken into account I'm a pure end cleric. Some clerics with end/str builds may have a high enough base damage to utilize the faster attack rate and the mace may possibly out DPS the hammer.

As far as the aim disparity, we're talking a difference of 9 measley points. you wont notice any difference on yellow mobs and if you are grinding on red mobs you should be fully scrolled anyways.

on the surface, the hammer looks to be the obvious winner as far as crit rate, however with the attack rate difference, the gap is smaller than it first appears.

a hammer will hit 46.1 times in 60 seconds at 5% crit rate, 2.3 of those will crit. A mace on the other hand will hit 54.5 times in 60 seconds. at 3% crit rate, 1.6 of those will crit. So if we extrapolate this information out that means you will crit about 3 more times with a hammer every 5 minutes than with a mace. now I am only talking about time spent actually attacking, and not including the use of any skills as that throws off the timing and is too hard to calculate for.

And this difference gets even smaller as outside crit boosters are added in. Lets say you have 1% crit earrings, 25 spr for an added 5% crit, and a completed grave robber liscense for an added 1% crit on your weapon. now the mace crits 5.45 times a minute, the hammer crits 5.532 times per minute. that added crit rate is now nothing.

So what does this mean in the end? the differences between the two are so small it doesn't matter what you chose. Get whichever one you think looks cooler.


in every calculate u did the hammer got 1 more point or 0.1 more..
so hammer is better lol..
hammer crit 5.532 and mace 5.45.
so actually the hammer is better :)

[MagesRequiem]

Mace vs Hammer? There's no competition between the two. Maces hit more often, look better, and are faster. Hammers are slower, deal a tad bit more damage, and have a slightly higher critical rate. Trust me, you'd rather be hitting more often and actually land those hits than hit less often and deal slightly more damage.

[Dpogie97]

Hammer is better.

[Donutz]

in my opinnion if your not getting any str, id say hammer, but if your gunna get a fair bit of str then mace, since the extra str and more hits helps alot =P

[nerdzo]

hammers looks great.
'nuff said.
yay hammerrrrrrrrr ;P

[melforce]

Really, it's all a matter of personal opinion.

[sakura7171]

Maces are better than people think just because a bit less dmg so they go with the hammer, but maces are faster and have more of a critical rate. hammers have good dmg but are slow.:)

[Donutz]

when you say the hammer does a tad more dmg, are you refering to the lower levels? or lvl 50 weapons? cause the hammer stat dmg says its almost double that of the mace =/, ionno how the dmg formula works though

[Garvin2000]

Maces are better than people think just because a bit less dmg so they go with the hammer, but maces are faster and have more of a critical rate. hammers have good dmg but are slow.:)

hammers have the higher crit. rate

[bravolover]

Hmmmm, personally i prefer Mace more, first of all, it's prettier, also faster and more aim, which means the higher your strength is, the better, cause u hit more, right?

[Hinayori]

i will choose hammer.. although a mace looks nicer.. a hammer seems to look cooler to me

[Vellisa]

So...in the conclusion??? The mace is better to use than the hammer? o.O

[Trashknight]

So...in the conclusion??? The mace is better to use than the hammer? o.O

Preference. Both have their pros and cons, which can be remedied a bit with scrolls.

[Vellisa]

Oh i see =.=" thanks!

[kobjing]

now that the fiesta items make +9 possible, therefore the bonus damge on hammer+9 is so overwhelming when compare to a mace +9. This is one of the thing that really upset me now, cos im a mace lover.

[HeavnlySword]

For me i will go for the hammer since i have a lv50 +9 hammer...

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