Cleric Discrimination!!!

[Jaded_Lullaby]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?

[Archaonn]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?

Well being a cleric you're expected to heal your teammates when they need it, likewise with fighters you're always expected to tank.

[Hydr0]

Why fight if figther do more dmg then you?
you can choose to be solo cleric.. but if ur in party u supose to heal them.

[Greyfeld]

I think, as a cleric main (highcleric lvl23), you need to quit whining and heal.

It's like a warrior being invited to a party then getting angry that he has to tank

You have the tools for the job that nobody else has. You can do damage, but if you're not helping keep the others from your party alive, why not just bring along a mage, who can more than double your damage output?

[Jaded_Lullaby]

I see what you people are getting at but still-I find that its unfair. I can understand the circumstances in KQ where clerics are needed for the healing but honestly don't just randomly invite a cleric just because you want them to heal you-its stupid

[Jhanniss]

What party is that? I'd love to sit on my butt and do nothing but cast heals for a while. I can watch a movie while playing and not have to worry that I'm "leeching" from the group. LOL

[Jaded_Lullaby]

>.< borrrrrrriiiiiinnnnnnnggggg

[ninjacarrotx3]

Heh. I've done pretty good at doing both.

No one's ever told me to stop and heal, except in KQ's and when fighting mobs too strong for me.

But then I don't care, healing is a cleric's job. & plus it's sort of like free exp. Healing doesn't require much work at all :]

[Sheizou_Marizou]

I see what you people are getting at but still-I find that its unfair. I can understand the circumstances in KQ where clerics are needed for the healing but honestly don't just randomly invite a cleric just because you want them to heal you-its stupid

***? xD Why'd you choose a cleric if you didn't want to heal. I hate it when people blame clerics for their deaths, but clerics are a healer class (which means in a party, you are expected to heal, not be a lower dmg fighter).

[Jaded_Lullaby]

I chose to be a cleric so I could level faster and have to buy so many hpstones-derrrr lol

[THr3eS01di3Rs]

Every Class has a role clerics heal, if they are fighting they are not entirly focused on healing the group or just the tank, just like Fighters are expected to tank, like someone said earlier, Archers are for support, and Mages are Damage Dealers.

There are exceptions though if the party is in combat with a easy to kill creature the cleric can fight because he dosnt have to heal the Tanker every second, but if its a monster that you constantly have to heal everytime you can use heal then you need to focus on those party members that are ment to fight and take damage.

Just my opinion

[violence]

ok this should be stated so all people get the point a character type doesnt mean they have to follow the masses ive seen dd fighter builds tank mage builds clerics can be built to tank so long as all the other people in there group do less damage everything works out fine not only does the cleric only have to focus on healing them selves but the other party mems dont have to worry about dieing mages can also tank so long as fighters dont use mock the mage must be built end int spr build so they have hit points to survive and int for damage and spr for crit and enough sp to cast spells also some end adding items wouldnt hurt would actually be preferred to help you live longer lvl 47 dps mage lvl 22 tank mage solos 7-8 mara elite 3 sailors at a time or can solo mara herself in sea of greed as long as doesnt get stunned but what character class can solo mara at lvl 22 and survive if gets stunned character class only have a type because the mindless masses make it this way

[Michaelus1]

I agree...I am a Cleric too. People beg me to heal and I do. But remember for example, KQ. Do you think you and your other 14 people would have survived if NO ONE healed? Most likely not; even if they have 1mil stones and potions. In a KQ, clerics have the MOST important role to play.

[Telhar]

imho you picked a wrong class, if you aren't doing what you are best at and try to purely damage instead, you're half a spot. You will never have the tanking capabilities or even dps of a warrior, never mind the true dps classes. Cleric is versatile, you can do damage if there is plenty healing around, you can do some tanking if needed, but you should not deny healing if there is demand for it

[Gekkido]

I'm a fighter and I'm very thankful that Clerics exist in this game or fighters would be running around like chickens with their head cut off squirtying bloo.... I'm gonna stop. lol

Anyways.. It just irritates me to see "Rez now" "HL" "Heal" I don't see a lot of people say please or thankyou. >< I've been thinking about making a cleric just to work on... on the side. Seeing as how I'm short tempered though... I'm kind of scared for the simple fact.. I strongly dislike rude people and they make me upset really quick. >< Yet I like to help people.

It is completely up to the cleric if they rez or heal you. >< so don't go calling clerics noobs just because they don't do either or.

This is me sticking up for Clerics. o.O;

[babazooka]

I fight and heal when needed if I'm only with another party member like a mage or a fighter. If we have a full party of fighter and damage dealers, I'll just sit back and heal since you never know, spawns can suddenly appears and damage all 3 of your party members at once. The full parties that I lvl with also love to do some "plvling" meaning we go to an area with super fast spawn and just try to kill everything there. That means spamming heals (yes, spamming) for hours and hours without even a rest let alone trying to fight. The exp is super sweet though and I love lvling that way. Who care if I don't get to whack a monster for 100 dmg when the mage can hit them for 400 or more?

[catagon]

i have a lvl 25 cleric, and i dont mind healing because i do think its a clerics job but when u r one of only 2 clerics in a kq things get stressful especially if ur the only reser. i hate getting yelled at by agros who got killed because i didnt res them fast enough. ppl need to respect that we have a cool time as well as every1 else and we cant keep track of every1. clerics are a great class though. i'd say they're the most overpowered but they have the most responsibility.

p.s cram ur cleric with end, it makes them unstoppable.

[Forbin]

Uh, I always fight when I'm in a CP group, and keep in mind I'm currently level 34 (nearly 35) and often group with 35-38 fighters. So it's not like we're fighting ridiculously easy mobs, but I still manage to deliver plenty of damage in between my heals.

The only time I have to stand back and spam heal is on pulls of 3+, and that's with a level 35 fighter. With a level 40+ fighter, I could easily be bashing and healing.

If you can't do both, heal and fight, at the same time, you're not playing the Cleric properly. Clerics were given the ability to melee. No harm in using it, as long as you're good enough to cover your group at the same time.

A cleric's job is to keep her group alive. Any other goals are secondary.

[Kholai]

Umm.... The absolute, only reason I'd want a cleric in my party is so that cleric can heal. If a cleric isn't healing, what exactly are they bringing to the group?

Sure, I love to smite me some infidel, but I've always got my eye on the HP of the group, I'm always keeping my buffs active, and when the chips are down and everyone dies? There I am, ressing people. Even when I'm clanking, using my heal to keep aggro on me to protect everyone else, I still find time to toss a restore onto a party-mate if they need it.
If you don't want to heal people, then, and I'm being serious here, don't be a cleric. You have two attack skills, five recovery skills, eight buff skills.... Wasn't there any clue as to what you'd be doing?


Now, as to people who tell you only to heal, if you can still fight and keep them alive, them ignore them, or tell them only to use their level 3 skill and do nothing else, and see how they like it.

[derreck096]

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[crystalorbie]

I'm pretty sure he means that while he is trying to do quests and such, he might want to be alone while doing this, but he can't because someone finds him and he is invited to a party because he is a cleric.

Then he pretty much has to accept or the other people will give him a bad reputation and/or never leave him alone...

As a level 28 Cleric, there are times where I want to be alone fighting random monsters in the moonlight tomb, but I have to get away from the bots and everyone else who is there just to be alone...

I'm not saying I always want to be alone, but sometimes only having to worry about yourself is nice.

[Akio950]

Hey this is yoshi_cleric (high cleric lvl 21)
well yeah i think that clerics should be able to fight
i mean whats the problem with getting more exp and healing urself?
let the fighters fight, but u fight side by side with them
what's wrong with leveling faster?
yeah

[iHanabi]

Well i'm a level 25 Cleric, and I think it's Bad for just a random person you dont know, add you just because they want you to heal them. But if you know that person and they actually said "in need for Cleric to heal", i wouldn't think that would be stupid. Cleric's aren't just supposed to be the "healers", their supposed to fight too like everyone else. So it'd be rude to just say heal when you just lost only what 100hp?

[vievie]

Be it in KQ or regular hunting, a cleric job in party is to heal! imagine a full party with only you as cleric. if you're lvl 30 and fighting in Sea of Greed, maybe you can get away with it, but when you hunt say in MT or VT, and you as a cleric dont do your healing job.. the whole party will DIE.

what do you expect? everyone use their pots and burn money, while you take the advantage of sequential drops and earn money coz u dont have to use HP pots? while at the same time only deal a ticklish damage to the mob? i will KICK that cleric xD

It is just the reason to party, u get archer or mage for damage, u get fighter to tank, and u get cleric to heal. if you don't want to heal others, go solo, its that simple. similarly with DD fighter, when you are the ONLY fighter in the party, you are suppose to TANK, because even tho DD fighter have less def than full end tanker, they still have higher def than most class, and with the taunt skill, they can still keep agro well. i've played all the class, and actually had to tank everything on my mage when partying with this one DD fighter, while he was poking from the back of the monster -_- and cleric had to heal me every time the mob hit coz it took 1/2 of my hp bar..

so the morale of the story is, if you want to party then do your job! if you don't want to do your job, go solo! having 2 of the same class in a party is a different thing tho.. as long as that other person dont mind doing YOUR duties, then its all good..

[babykitt10]

As long as we are keeping them alive, and we're doing our job right(which is keeping them alive >_<) they shouldn't have any prob w/ us...

Do your job and I'll do mine lol...

But i never had any experience regarding this kind of situation, a party member telling me to stop atcking ang start healing? nahdah "0" nhan

BTW I always atck when the monster is alone but i never fail to heal my tank and my party members, it's very hard to multitask but as long as you're doing your job right they should just (sorry for the cruel words) shut up and do theirs...

but every rule has exceptions
and a very good one is a lack of maturity in the players(party members)...

[Deveous01]

Man u have the safest job-u shouldnt complain-i am a fighter and im always having to risk my xp-but i dont moan cause thats the roll i play

[SSide]

Im in the same boat, although im a fighter. Im always invited, expecting to tank, but sometimes Im just so dam bored I want to just relax, and just kill, no using skills, no nothing, just me...my sword...and the enemy. When I invite people when Im like that, I say to them "Dont expect me to protect you"

In fact, im happy sometimes that I dont have to tank, as im sure clerics are sometimes happy they dont have to heal. People blaming you for killing them is annoying and I could live without it.

[Gravvi]

well you know what if the cleric fights all he has to do is heal himself. Noone else. I have all empowerments in bash and i am not a spr build. So i am going to tank if i have too. Yes i heal but when we are not healing y can't we attack. We get yelled at. I know how i am going to end it i am going to make a cleric and not learn heal. THen all i can do is attack. In you face people. I am tired of people bossing clerics. You also yell at archers for using poison or bleed on a boss because it can agro him. Well tough luck every class has their skills for a reason. Use them to your ability and help yourself get farther along in the game. That may be to heal someone. I find it easier to heal than to fight but that is just me. THe only people i really don't see get yelled at are the mages but that is because they can't get yelled at for using their skills because that is all they can do. I have seen some mages get yelled at for using their life tap or whatever that skill is that converts hp into sp. But that is because they expect the healer to waste their sp. Well sorry i have more priorities. SO everyone stop complaining about clerics and other characters. We all have a specific roll read the descriptions. Clerics are the controller over life and death. THey can choose who they want to die by not healing. There are many people i let die because they are rude obnoxious jerks. I heal the ones that are nice. My archer gets yelled at when i do my job. Its not my fault when i take agro. Its not my fault i am stronger than the tank. Tanks if you used something other than end you might be able to keep agro. People don't rely on clerics use potions and stones if you don't have any that is your problem. I have a cleric and here is the order i handle things ME>tank>rest I put tank because without him i would have to fight. And i don't want to when partying. And fighters you don't have to risk your exp let the cleric tank because he can easily heal himself just as he healed you. They are actually better because they have the buffs and invincible skill. SO people stop complaining about other classes. You chose your class you should know why you chose it. And most people play a class for a diff reason. I made archer because i want to shoot things in the face. I have a cleric so i can heal most people and use a hammer. SO there my 2 cents

[misrael]

total bullzhit .. lol lvl up faster clerics lvl up slowest on solo

[Jaded_Lullaby]

Very well said *claps* I think you are totally right-everyone should just stop yelling at everyone

[KyuubiNeji]

Hehe if you think fighters risk their exp, you obviously haven't played a mage. Though yeah i have a cleric, just turned 20 yesterday thanks to AsHcRoFt's plvling in uruga(thanks, ash), and I like kq's, but only on my mage b'coz the bosses give jack on my cleric. So therefore on my cleric i refrain from joining kq's due to the fact that i don't like healing and getting jack from big mobs(don't flame, please. at least I give other ppl a chance to join). Point is, if you don't like healing, don't join a party. For me, I do join parties, but that's only if we're doing big mobs with good exp. <---- This has been my 2cents worth.

[shadowsand]

as a fighter i say they treat clerics unfair. all the clerics ive been with i a;ways gave like 10 sp potions

[YukiLovesOmmie]

I agree with Jaded... People are TOO dependent on Clerics. I understand that we are supposed to heal. But why can't you heal yourself? Here's a situation.
Fighter: *fighting a monster*
Cleric: *fighting same monster*
Fighter: *low HP* "HEAL!!!!!!" <--(note: There is no please)
Cleric: *heals and continues fighting*
Fighter: *kills the monster* <--(note: Still no thanks)
-later-
Fighter: *died* "WHY DIDN'T YOU HEAL NOOB!!!!!"
Cleric: *leaves party so he can whither away and go back to town* (Lol)

Possibly over-exhagerated... but hey, you get the idea.

[Roseanna]

Me personally... If I'm in a party and I'm told to not fight AT ALL and that I must only heal, I say goodbye and leave, as it's boring. (Except KQ of course, where I deal with whatever's thrown at me so I can get to the end for my exp and treasure chest.) If a teammate's health goes down, I heal. If a teammate has a bunch of mobs spawn around him I'll step back, cast invincible, and focus on him. If everyone's okay I'll fight, just trying to make sure I don't pull aggro so that I can step back and heal as needed. I don't like being told what to do or bossed around, I know my class and I know my job.

[LameScorpio]

If my only job was to heal why did they give me a hammer? Also what is all this talk about low damage, I do more damage than most fighters. Also have high crit... so doing 400-600 dmg easy, but then I am pure STR too. Cannot understand Clerics that waste points on END, you have shields and heal to make up for that. Also stop blaming the cleric when you die... lmao, buy stones and pots you cheap ppl. Because mine are not free either.

[Jaded_Lullaby]

Me personally... If I'm in a party and I'm told to not fight AT ALL and that I must only heal, I say goodbye and leave, as it's boring. (Except KQ of course, where I deal with whatever's thrown at me so I can get to the end for my exp and treasure chest.) If a teammate's health goes down, I heal. If a teammate has a bunch of mobs spawn around him I'll step back, cast invincible, and focus on him. If everyone's okay I'll fight, just trying to make sure I don't pull aggro so that I can step back and heal as needed. I don't like being told what to do or bossed around, I know my class and I know my job.
Exactly! Why can't people see that?


I agree with Jaded... People are TOO dependent on Clerics. I understand that we are supposed to heal. But why can't you heal yourself? Here's a situation.
Fighter: *fighting a monster*
Cleric: *fighting same monster*
Fighter: *low HP* "HEAL!!!!!!" <--(note: There is no please)
Cleric: *heals and continues fighting*
Fighter: *kills the monster* <--(note: Still no thanks)
-later-
Fighter: *died* "WHY DIDN'T YOU HEAL NOOB!!!!!"
Cleric: *leaves party so he can whither away and go back to town* (Lol)

Possibly over-exhagerated... but hey, you get the idea.
Thannk you for agreeing with me. I'm not trying to sound like a prude by being ungreatful and all woe is for having to heal all the time its just a matter of respecting to player. I'm a human just like you and can't do two things at once on a game like this.


If my only job was to heal why did they give me a hammer? Also what is all this talk about low damage, I do more damage than most fighters. Also have high crit... so doing 400-600 dmg easy, but then I am pure STR too. Cannot understand Clerics that waste points on END, you have shields and heal to make up for that. Also stop blaming the cleric when you die... lmao, buy stones and pots you cheap ppl. Because mine are not free either.
*applauds*

[SorJu]

Really, it is how we want to play. Also for all the clerics out there. Just ignore the idiots who blame you for not healing them when it is their own responsibility to keep track on their on hp and BE PREPARED. So yeah just ignore them, forget it and keep playing. If you wanna fight and not heal. Let the people know right when you join the party. That way they know that you won't heal and they will ask other cleric or use their own potion. But really it will be great if the cleric heals in KQ. Potions and HP Stones have cool time after all. BUT since we have 2 life. It doesn't hurt to die for the first time if the KQ is about to end right? ^^

[NamineCid]

If my only job was to heal why did they give me a hammer? Also what is all this talk about low damage, I do more damage than most fighters. Also have high crit... so doing 400-600 dmg easy, but then I am pure STR too. Cannot understand Clerics that waste points on END, you have shields and heal to make up for that. Also stop blaming the cleric when you die... lmao, buy stones and pots you cheap ppl. Because mine are not free either.

I am a End/Spr build. Why? I can 1 tank 4 zombies and a zombie master (lvl32) I have so much sp i really don't have to worry about it. I do more damage then most archers or fighters (mages have the edge on me) and yet i still heal and rev people.

[jdrose143]

My main is a archer... but I have a noob cleric. As true as it is about clerics being discriminated against and not allowed to fight, but honestly i see alot of clerics just stand back and choose not to fight. But just so you know, I always say plz when i need someone to heal or res me. ! more person on your side lol!

ArrowSnipe

[Furball]

I have a cleric, and I never get asked. But if I have to say anything, I'd say 'I don't think it's discrimination. I just think it's a tactic'. BUT, I do think it's a pretty cruddy tactic. But if you think about it, it's also pretty understandable.

[kimiko905]

lol~ if you want to lvl faster without spending pots while making money, any class is better than cleric...cleric=slow lvler+support...and if a cleric is in a lving party, unless you met good people who would share loots otherwise u dont make money even if you hit hard without support (what i mean here is no matter what cleric's dmg sux)

[vievie]

well, its the same with partying a mage, you dont really say "shoot using skill please".. or partying with a tank when you have to say "use taunt please".. you are expected to heal, and when someone under heavy fire, typing that extra "please" will most likely gets you killed. and if you do get asked, that just mean you're not good at being your class :)

[SorJu]

All 3 classes except Cleric requires large amount of HP stones/potions. They cost a lot. If you tell me, cleric makes money faster then any other classes while Mages standing 2nd since they kill faster and are ranged char but yeah still monster still come close to them and hit the mages so hp stone or potion wasted right there. Archer comes third of course and fighter last.

[Jaded_Lullaby]

... I'm going to pretend I didn't read that vie >.<

[MasterOfYou]

CLERICS TANK FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kaiza]

I am a Cleric player too and i think it so: Clerics are the ONLY class who can heal, thats why in Partys they should heal, because basicly all other classes do more damage.

But i like to solo too cuz the hav nice damage [I do up to 1622 Damage on orcs] got nice HP/Defence also.

[zepheris]

Oooo... finally a topic that interests me :D...

For me, i an a FULL END cleric.. why? I'm a treasure hunter.. Also, i'm a solo player, and a great teamplayer.. (Maybe) Full end allows me to tank and also heal for a GREATER amount of time.

For those who dont respect me... I leave the party and see them die.

For those who does support me and respects me, i heal and atk, and talk with them all at the same time. Personally.. i've been in a party of 3 that took down KING MARLON, Me, Tanker, and Mage.

Soo.. to speak for real.. i've been mistreated in some cases. Sometimes tankers relies too much on me. I always watch my TEAMATES LIFEBARS, and... even when they've been hit only once, ill heal them. For that reason i lost a lot of SP POTS. Why 1 hit? Because the second might be their last.

And to speak directly to tankers... I HAVE THE WHOLE PARTY that relies on me. I can not always give you protection from death. Sometimes you have to use your pots. Is that not what POTS are for?

It really doesnt matter what kind of BUILD my cleric is. It matters how much we help each other in parties... EXAMPLE::::

Tanker... ATK KING MARLONG
Cleric... Heal Tank
MOB... Agro Cleric for some odd reason.. Yes even when tankers are doing their job.. So dont blame them :D
Archer or Mage.. ATK MARLON
Tanker.. needs heal...
Cleric.. Heals.. (While being atked)
Archer or mage... ATK MARLON (Still..)
Cleric.. Not time to type for help.. RUNS AROUND + Heal... (In this situation, you have to think.) U have priority.. or tanker? ------Me, i think i have priority.. Cleric die = Party die. TAnker die.. Easy.. I'll revive and we can restart the party.

Conitnuing the Ex..
Cleric got no help to get rid of mob..
Tanker need heal..

A.... ur cleric..:::: Heals tanker.. and got killed by MOB because Archers or other didnt kill the mob.

B.... My cleric... Heals myself... Tanker thinks that they shouldnt need to use thier potion.... Dies... I run.. Archer + MAge.. Died.... I rev.. one by one.. Then get a blame.. WHY DIDNT YOU HEAL ME? ... My response... DONT U SEE THOSE MOBS? And.. UR NOT THE ONLY ONE UNDER MY PROTECTION...

KKK>. :D Everyone should get that i'm trying to say here.

If teamwork.. = GOOD!!

EX of GOOD:

TANKER.. ATK MARLONG
CLERIC.. HEALS TANK
ARCHER + MAGE.. ATK MARLON.
TANKER KILLS MOB ONE BY ONE..
CLERIC HEALS WHOEVER NEEDS!!!! NOT JUST TANKER
ARCHER + MAGE... ATK MOBS THAT AGRO
CLERIC HEALS WHOEVER GOT ATK.. NOT WHEN THEIR LIFE ARE LOW, BUT EVERY ATK.
TANKER KEEPS MARLON IN CUSTODY
TEAM... FINISHED MOBS
CLERIC HEALS.. (Also to keep in mind, you should atk too if u have the chance.) EVERY MEMBER IS NEEDED TO KILL OFF MOBS
---Dont listen to those people who says.. CLERICS are for HEALING!!! If ur for healing.. u can never level up.. seriously how can u lv up just healing? No killing mobs.. I wish if that is so.. then everyone whould just be a cleric.. Heal = Exp.
GROUP Repeat pattern...
GROUP FINISHED MARLON.
=====Good... = SEQUENCE allocation..
=====Bad.. = Free ALLOC... TANKER TOOK ALL THE ITEM DROP...

Well.. everyone should know what i mean.. If you want to reply or something.. Feel free to.

I'll be ready to respond whenever i have the time... I fear i just dont have the time.

And if i do response.. expect an essay :D

A quick note to all CLERICS...
U HAVE THE HARDEST DUTY!!!!
U HAVE MORE DUTIES TO PERFORM!!!
U HAVE A TON OF STUFFS TO DO!!!!
DONT ALLOW OTHERS TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SHOULD DO.

Also.. CLERICS Should heal and ATK(When Possible). Because without you your PARTY have a fewer chance of survival.

Ur their key, so make good use of yourself.. I've seen parties that the other cleric do nothing.. And i'm the only one helping out that party. Then why should there be 2 clerics?

[Xanthros]

All 3 classes except Cleric requires large amount of HP stones/potions. They cost a lot. If you tell me, cleric makes money faster then any other classes while Mages standing 2nd since they kill faster and are ranged char but yeah still monster still come close to them and hit the mages so hp stone or potion wasted right there. Archer comes third of course and fighter last.

Ahahaha... you must not have played anything past a lv 20 cleric, if you've ever played one. When I grind, we don't sit in our little shrooms after every kill. We grind for hrs non-stop, with tanks drawing npcs before the original ones die. That said, I go through 100ish T2 potions in about an hour of killing. That's spam healing, restore, and buffs are required. Tell me 100 T2 potions are cheap for 1 hr of xp'ing, or that we don't use a ton of supplies. heh

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[Xanthros]

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CLERICS TANK FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Cleric tanks have a role... when a group asks for a cleric, you should ask them what they want you to do. If they say 'stay back and heal'... by all means do so, don't play the tank and end up getting slaughtered as a result. A dead cleric cannot revive or do anything else but be a complete detriment / vulnerability to the party. If you are not communicating what needs to be done regarding that, your party is doomed to fail. That said, if one asks for a cleric.. I ask them what they expect, and how we're going to do it. Not knowing wth is going on is bad.

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[Jaded_Lullaby]

This is what I have to say... I understand that a clerics purpose in this game is to heal and revive and all that fun stuff but never ever think for a second that that is all we are capable of because it is not. I have been in many parties-some have been great some have been bad but there is one thing you other classes don't realize: No matter how much stronger you are or however many skills you have-whether you tank, poison, or long distance fight you NEED us. Don't ever forget that because when you get killed who rezzes you? WE DO. When you're about to die? WE HEAL YOU. When you're attending a KQ? The clerics are the first ones to be recruited. Never think that you are greater than us because in the end we control the battle as far as who lives and who dies. Respect us and we'll respect you.

[Telhar]

imho its very wrong attitude to expect special gratitude for healing or resurrection. I never see mages asking thank you's or saying "i will not kill this monster if i don't like the cleric next to me". I never see warriors posting about how they were not thanked for taunting and taking the hits so there was less need for heals and mobs were not running amok. Doing something well justifies gratitude, not fulfilling your role

SorJu, cleric can convert SP to HP extremely efficiently. Other classes can look after their own health but its much much more expensive for them. Ask group to replenish your SP potions if you like, for keeping them up and running

[SorJu]

well, its the same with partying a mage, you dont really say "shoot using skill please".. or partying with a tank when you have to say "use taunt please".. you are expected to heal, and when someone under heavy fire, typing that extra "please" will most likely gets you killed. and if you do get asked, that just mean you're not good at being your class :)

We're NOT expected to do w/e ppl think we should do. Maybe people pick cleric because they can kill mosnter decently and doesn't need potions so they can make money? For your information it is not OUR job to keep them alive. Why are potions and Hp stones ingame for if EVERYONE expect Cleric heals them? It is not that Clerics that doesn't heal or rez or have the same thoughts as you and the other people thought doesn't mean we're jackasses. Seriously it is HOW we want to PLAY. Of course we would heal if that person needed and ask politely. But really it DON"T expect Clerics to heal you sometimes. Use Pots/Hp stones, all you need to do is press 'Q" or w/e hot ey you set your potions to.

PS : I'm not a Cleric myself but I'm just stateing what i feel about Clerics. Also Sorry for bad grammers, spellings.

[Neoix]

And people chose to invite you to their party because you have the skill heal. But as long as you can keep them alive, I dont see why they dont want you to take a couple of swings at the mobs w/ your hammer.

Also each class has their own specialties that they are good at. Just like in reality, you dont hire a plumber to fix your car.

[zepheris]

And people chose to invite you to their party because you have the skill heal. But as long as you can keep them alive, I dont see why they dont want you to take a couple of swings at the mobs w/ your hammer.

Also each class has their own specialties that they are good at. Just like in reality, you dont hire a plumber to fix your car.


Sorry.. dont mean to atk you on this one.. but i think its a little diff...

To hire is to give.. or FAIR trade.. of... Money for work.

To help is for free..

Therefore, its not comparable...

However.. i will contradict your saying if you were to use HELP fix your car.

As for me.. YES i would deffinately ask someone to help me fix my car even though they dont know.. Why? Because of teamwork... teamwork = Everything. :D To hire, no one would.. but to help, everyone would.

Like i said.. this is not an atk..

And YES i deffinately AGREE with you! As long as i do my work, my teamate should respect me for what i've done. And i should respect them as well. So when parties fall, it is no ones fault.. Instead i would rather type.. "LOL Lets go AGAIN!" And yeah, i swing my hammer at mobs all the time.. Even when my mates tell me not too. soo... typing. "Stay the F.. Away!" would = Me leaving party... and their Death. :D

[Accalia]

A few things:

1) If I'm in your party, I know why I'm there. I'll heal, I'll revive, sometimes if things are slow going, I'll even dps a little. I don't expect to be politely asked to do any specific task unless we are doing something unusual that isn't normally on my to-do list. This is fine as long as I'm not being yelled at for the job I'm doing. Death happens. It happens even faster when I'm dead. Please don't yell at me if you die because my time-reduced-heals are on cool-down and the mob critted you.

2) If you're not in my party, I require full politeness. At that point, it is not on my task list to heal, revive, or help you. So, even if I watch you die at my feet (and you usually end up bring me two to thee friends) don't expect an automatic revive from me. And please please please please don't just order me with the word "rev". The first thing that pops into my head when I see that is that if I'm in that same situation, with these same people around me, I have to walk back. So if something happens and you require some skill from a cleric, ask NICELY.

3) Everyone uses stones/pots...and a lot of them at that. There is nothing to argue here.

[vievie]

tank uses sp stones as well to keep aggro off your back, mages to cast spells, and archers skill drains lots of sp.. so when you're in party, everyone else is expected to make some financial sacrifices. and its not for FREE if you're in the party, its in exchange for EXP and loots..

obviously its different if you meant doing good deeds to strangers not in party..

[LitoBee]

like seriously.......I was gettin told that I shoulda made a fighter just because I didnt heal someone in kq when I was gettin hit by a monster and its like..what u want me to do, just let the monster hit me while I heal you then I die myself?

oh btw we wasnt up to the boss yet, this was still "on the way" and no she wasnt in my party.

[platina]

Well am a fighter, and usually train with teh same party ive met since MT ( lvls 3x+)... now am of the opinion clerics should act according to the situation, if its a full party it means they prolly fighting on red-red ones, and if they doing aoe killing, believe me the cleric gota spam heals, now when the number of monster is inferior to the number of ppl atking ( remember are red-red ones, already hard to 1 vs 1 one of those) is when they can join the atk...

there are some other moment where clerics can throw 1-2 hits and are:

1. when the tanker has invu on him, while it last, everybody can full atk.
2. when every monster is stun by devastated

all those are secs duration moves, so gota be fast or dont atk, now this has 2 sides, for fast atking u gota be close, but what happens if for casuality the monster dont get stun, and loose agro on tank...

Now am a fighter that spam hp/sp stone when doing grinding ( same or higher lvl partners), when i spam hp stone?...easy when the cleric that is already spamming heal cant keep me alive...

and for the record, clerics doesnt do less dmg than all fighter, a cleric can do near same or even more dmg than a pure tanker.

Every party has its own rythm, and when doing new parties, allways gota be carefull, first to check the others skills, not only ingame, also if their equipment (PC /connection) feels ur expectations..


all depends on the situation, and dont expect doing the same with all parties, every party is diff.

[Skape87]

***? xD Why'd you choose a cleric if you didn't want to heal. I hate it when people blame clerics for their deaths, but clerics are a healer class (which means in a party, you are expected to heal, not be a lower dmg fighter).

well here is the thing some ppl still blame u for there deaths but what thay dont realize is that they not only one in a party adn that healing lures mobs

[Kaleidoscope]

This is why I solo. D:

In KQ's and the like or with friends I will heal and be a good little cleric. And I'll rev dead people and stuff like that.

But if someone invites me to a party and the first thing they say to me is "Just heal me", I'll be hitting quit party before they reach the first monster. xD That's one thing about clerics, we don't need to take crap off of people, because we can solo just fine. o3o

(I made a cleric just so I could solo. xD)

[Arzil]

If you want to fight, be a fighter. Don't be a cleric just because they can heal themselves. Solo is one thing, but in parties, clerics should heal

[Krylancelo]

in the game im a fighter a common tanker build when im invited to a party usually my job is to tank but actually i hate tanking personally I always feel of everyone dies its my fault cause i didnt mock or taunt enough, personally i know where you are coming from where everyone just wants you to heal, i actually think clerics can actually be better tankers then fighters since they can heal and actually a cleric hammer does more dmg then fighter weapons except for the axe

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Breaker~ lvl 44 [fighter]

Amro~ lvl 16 [archer]

[Skape87]

healing is an option if u wana do it then fine just like tanking no one can make u do it


this game isint what thay want u to do its what u want to do

iff ppl are nice and say plz i will heal/rez but if ppl demant screw them

[Discontent]

Clarics actually have it better than most classes as far as leveling, you can party with people 30 lvl's higher than you... so clerics can level faster than any other class! Now if you want a class to complain about try playing an Archer!

[Shadowscar]

Why fight if figther do more dmg then you?
you can choose to be solo cleric.. but if ur in party u supose to heal them.

english plz lol

but in all reality if you cant handle Healing and DPSin dont be a cleric be something with less skill required...

First priority should always be healing
Second sound be DPS

If you are told not to DPS who cares do it anyways

Boss events are a different story
on them you heal and dps adds thats it never the boss (aoe damage from bosses cause to much for you to handle and still be able to heal the tank properly)

[Tryanna]

I've played a few other games similar to this one. My fav character was an empath healer. The difference between that game and this one is, clerics and empaths in that game got real exp for healing and rezing. Just like a tank does for killing here.

Clerics aren't getting any exp for healing in this game which really sucks!

Joining a party just to get a stipen of the exp is not very good.

Narian

[Diatomic]

Heh. I've done pretty good at doing both.

No one's ever told me to stop and heal, except in KQ's and when fighting mobs too strong for me.

But then I don't care, healing is a cleric's job. & plus it's sort of like free exp. Healing doesn't require much work at all :]

Its soooo not like free exp, do u know how fast our sp ran out with healing a fighter that is mobbing? you have to keep like everyone alive? and plus, you have to make sure that you don't get kill urself? Its not an easy job being a cleric, with healing, invincible the tank and keeping the mage and archer alive....how is that free exp? I think by having a cleric there, mages and archers get "free exp" due to the fact that mobbing can take place. Without a cleric's buff, healing and invincibility...mobbing will not be possible, therefore the mass amount of exp giving you is also not possible.

[Jaded_Lullaby]

I've played a few other games similar to this one. My fav character was an empath healer. The difference between that game and this one is, clerics and empaths in that game got real exp for healing and rezing. Just like a tank does for killing here.

Clerics aren't getting any exp for healing in this game which really sucks!

Joining a party just to get a stipen of the exp is not very good.

Narian
If pple were tog et exp for healing and rezzing there would be an abundance of new clerics in the game-could you imagine? o.O

[Killgormatic]

If someone tanks u can still fight just watch the party members health and heal.

[abuckstunt]

actually i agree with Jaded_Lullaby (even though im a mage) cuz people mostly think as clerics jus to heal but they play not only to help people..they also want to fight cuz healing w/o fighting has actually no meaning to it of course. clerics can be clerics even tho they dont want to heal

[Aquilachan]

I've played a healer on other games, and it seems to be everywhere.(except Mythwar. Centaurs, the healer race, can do damage as well without the rest of the party BAWWWWWWing over it.)
On Flyff Assists(the starting healing class) can go two paths: Ringmaster(Full support, excellent buffs and heals) or Billposter(can heal/buff self and fight well.)
I feel if a cleric can keep their party alive and attack without getting killed themselves, go for it. Some people can't respond quickly enough and their party dies. Otherwise a pure healer role gets boring pretty quickly.(Ringmasters in Flyff are getting rarer and rarer because of this.)
Also, in Mythwar, a popular build is a "fat cent" meaning that the Centaurs have very high HP so that they can hold their own for quite a while if their party gets nailed while they Revive/Heal.
Do Clerics have ANY offensive skills? like a holy strike or something?

[Tryanna]

oh I am so sorry Jaded_Lullaby have you not been looking around? Have you not noticed the abundance of Clerics already in this game?

[Jaded_Lullaby]

oh I am so sorry Jaded_Lullaby have you not been looking around? Have you not noticed the abundance of Clerics already in this game?
I suppose your right but it would get to a point where the majority would be clerics

[Nerria]

actually i agree with Jaded_Lullaby (even though im a mage) cuz people mostly think as clerics jus to heal but they play not only to help people..they also want to fight cuz healing w/o fighting has actually no meaning to it of course. clerics can be clerics even tho they dont want to heal

Then why play a Cleric in the first place? Why pick a primary support class if you don't want to heal? Why pick a class with Heals, Buffs, Regens, Revives if you want to fight?

That makes no sense. If you pick a Cleric, you heal. Simple as that. You can fight, you can tank, and you can support. All at the same time. I do it every day, solo and grouped.

Healing has no meaning without fighting? Oh, I forgot, keeping the main tanks and damage dealers alive has no meaning. My bad. /heavy sarcasm

Healing is an utmost priority in grouping situations. It has a HUGE meaning to it, regardless if you fight. You deal little damage anyways, so it makes hardly a noticeable difference.

Also, to reply to that healing xp post, if we got that... Bots would be level 59 in one night. Hell, every single Cleric would AFK level themselves with weights and/or bots to 59 in a night.

That would be a bad thing.

[ramon246]

i think this is a load of bull i mean *** ur a cleric, as a fighter i hate it when i'm tanking and a cleric is rite nex to me me attackin and i have to be using my pots to keep myself alive in a full party with 3 mages and/or archers, its bull, some clerics are gd at it and jus use bash or attack when they cast invince and thats ok, unnecessary but ok none the less, ur a cleric, jus be happy ur need rite now, cause when fighters get vampiric strike and u clerics r not needed ur gonna be *****ing more, so all in all, ur a cleric U R SUPPOSED TO HEAL, otherwise change ur class, if u want to deal dmg become a mage or archer, u have the most important job in keepin the tanker alive, and its easy once the tanks gd at what he does, so jus sit bk, spam those heals and enjoy the exp

[HighLordGwydion]

Having played as a solo lvl 23 fighter and a lvl 25 cleric I am happy to say that I would rather play the cleric role... What's a few sp pots or stones compared to having to take all the damage from massive mobs? If I am playing my part correctly and die then others in party do not get to pissed. Although, people should respect the role that the cleric plays, we DO have the power to res and as Ramon stated it is our job to keep the tanks alive... I also scream at my montior when I see low level clerics tanking when they should be healing... Just my opinion.

[Nerria]

i think this is a load of bull i mean *** ur a cleric, as a fighter i hate it when i'm tanking and a cleric is rite nex to me me attackin and i have to be using my pots to keep myself alive in a full party with 3 mages and/or archers, its bull, some clerics are gd at it and jus use bash or attack when they cast invince and thats ok, unnecessary but ok none the less, ur a cleric, jus be happy ur need rite now, cause when fighters get vampiric strike and u clerics r not needed ur gonna be *****ing more, so all in all, ur a cleric U R SUPPOSED TO HEAL, otherwise change ur class, if u want to deal dmg become a mage or archer, u have the most important job in keepin the tanker alive, and its easy once the tanks gd at what he does, so jus sit bk, spam those heals and enjoy the exp

You notice the cool down time on Vampiric Strike right? If I remember right, it isn't spammable at all... so if you think you'll able to solo/group grind without a Clerics help, think again. It will be possible, but it won't change anything in a hardcore grind group. Not to mention it is a waste of SP. Clerics will never not be needed, so don't even think it.

[abuckstunt]

if they want to hit. let them hit they dont want to be controlled
its wut the clerics think..if u dont "respect" them they'll jus probaly leave and youll jus die wasting all of ur pots

[vievie]

i'd love to hunt with those who said its a choice, u dont have to heal if u dont want to like a fighter dont have to taunt if they dont want to :P
please duo with my fighter, it surely is easier without tanking and just poking from the back!

when im on my fighter, i LOVE to taunt and mock. those who partied or seen me in KQ will know i'm mad with mock and taunt. but when im on my cleric, i LOVE to heal. i dont hit anything at all, just stand there (no i dont do mushroom regen) and spam heal to every one in party. when i'm on my mage/archer i spam skills coz that's whats expected from me as a damage dealer of the party.

so if some people need a reminder to do their job, like i said.. u did something wrong and need to reconsider your class

[LatinoHeat]

its all about ur char build
if ur support
then dont waste a chance of someone dying cause u wanna hit its selfish cause lagg can disrupt ur plans

if ur a combat meadic
good 4 u just be redi to multitask cause if u cant u wont make too many friends

[Tryanna]

so if some people need a reminder to do their job, like i said.. u did something wrong and need to reconsider your class

I'm so glad you got that all figured out there Vievie. You remind me of why I prefer to hunt solo.

As I recall everyone in this game had the choice of TWO production skills with potions being one of them. Everyone had the choice to make their own little supply of LIFE. :)

[LatinoHeat]

You notice the cool down time on Vampiric Strike right? If I remember right, it isn't spammable at all... so if you think you'll able to solo/group grind without a Clerics help, think again. It will be possible, but it won't change anything in a hardcore grind group. Not to mention it is a waste of SP. Clerics will never not be needed, so don't even think it.


it wont rreaallly matter

all hail the rich who solo grind end of story

[platina]

Well am a fighter, and usually train with teh same party ive met since MT ( lvls 3x+)... now am of the opinion clerics should act according to the situation, if its a full party it means they prolly fighting on red-red ones, and if they doing aoe killing, believe me the cleric gota spam heals, now when the number of monster is inferior to the number of ppl atking ( remember are red-red ones, already hard to 1 vs 1 one of those) is when they can join the atk...

there are some other moment where clerics can throw 1-2 hits and are:

1. when the tanker has invu on him, while it last, everybody can full atk.
2. when every monster is stun by devastated

all those are secs duration moves, so gota be fast or dont atk, now this has 2 sides, for fast atking u gota be close, but what happens if for casuality the monster dont get stun, and loose agro on tank...

Now am a fighter that spam hp/sp stone when doing grinding ( same or higher lvl partners), when i spam hp stone?...easy when the cleric that is already spamming heal cant keep me alive...

and for the record, clerics doesnt do less dmg than all fighter, a cleric can do near same or even more dmg than a pure tanker.

Every party has its own rythm, and when doing new parties, allways gota be carefull, first to check the others skills, not only ingame, also if their equipment (PC /connection) feels ur expectations..


all depends on the situation, and dont expect doing the same with all parties, every party is diff.

all quote myself... rofl, get this in ur head, its all depends, but believe me a fighter wont last much in a party where he gota use hp stones at ea monster, am a fighter and i do use hp stons 1-3 when taking 6-8 trumpys at same time...

I do like clerics taht bash in the appropiate moment.

Do whatever u want when ur soloing ( this goes for all the classes), but when partying u gota do whats better for the party.

[Forbin]

I am a End/Spr build. Why? I can 1 tank 4 zombies and a zombie master (lvl32) I have so much sp i really don't have to worry about it. I do more damage then most archers or fighters (mages have the edge on me) and yet i still heal and rev people.

Missed this a few pages back...

You do more damage than most archers? Okay. That's all.

[vievie]

As I recall everyone in this game had the choice of TWO production skills with potions being one of them. Everyone had the choice to make their own little supply of LIFE. :)

and so they do have the option of going solo (like you chose) instead of partying if they don't like healing others that much (for cleric)


Do whatever u want when ur soloing ( this goes for all the classes), but when partying u gota do whats better for the party.

EXACTLY!

and yes, i play cleric as well as fighter, so i know there's cd and things like that, and i do have ABUNDANT stack of pots and i always go out to the field with full stones. and i DO use them, but i use them to ease the clerics job not as my main source of heal. like if i know i'm taking a lot more hits than what cleric can heal, i will use my pots. or if they were too late at healing me and cant keep up to get me to full health, i will use pots. coz i know from my cleric life, that it's one of the more frustrating thing to see how you spam heal but the life bar keep stuck at mid point, and never able to hit the full bar..

[johnkx]

you gotta heal your party.. that's your job.. well if you wanna fight.. then try hitting some mobs while healing your party and make sure you heal yourself too.

[Kholai]

Since it's absurdly relevant to the conversation.... The worst cleric I've ever seen. Ever.

Runlikehell, Apoline server.

I was chilling on my alt. character Ioelet the mini-fighter dude, playing in the King Slime KQ. Runlikehell ended up in my party as the only cleric. Throughout the Kingdom Quest, I was not healed once. In fact, the only time the topic came up was, when between two mobs, in a quiet moment, I asked if he'd mind please healing me. Someone else did, and I thanked them. He asked if we wanted buffs, and I replied that, yes, that would be great please.

Then, as we approach the King Slime and everyone stops to rest up, he says "everyone expects me to heal them, but alone I do great, this will teach you bishes". And then proceeds to run up and aggro King Slime and train him over to the group, killing the squishies and messing everything up.

He then proceeds to talk about how he has a level 26 cleric, a level 33 fighter, and how he isn't a heal slave, and how clerics mess fighters up.

So... Was I being strangely offensive to this mental behemoth? Was he being discriminated against? Or.... Was it that he was failing to give his primary contribution to the party?

[hikari_rekka]

Everyone does what they want on Fiesta. There people who prefer to do certain types of stuff even if it's unusual.. The person that posted this thread is a type of cleric that wants to fight and heal, I guess that's their tactic for fighting. And then there is the usual clerics, the types that want to heal and buff. I guess thats how it is with everyone...

[Game_Hermit]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?

Clerics should fight if they want to, but use common sense about it. Don't fight in a boss fight. The boss is going to be using AOE attacks and knocking the tank's HP down by 2/3 at a time. You need to be 100% focused on heals. The rest of the KQ? Fight all you want, just remember to keep an eye on HP bars. My cleric fights alot, but i understand that first priority is healing and i don't let the fighting get in the way of it. I only fight when nobody needs a heal, but i still end up spending more than half my time fighting. You can easily do both as long as it isn't a boss fight and you don't ignore the HP bars. I actually think you're a bad cleric if you don't fight. Why are you just standing around doing nothing when you're not healing?

[Mitaka]

I tend to solo with my level 34 cleric for a specific reason - my computer lags badly especially at the worst possible times. I got tired of tankers blaming me when my puter lagged and I couldn't keep up with the heals and such. I do occasionally party with others, but only after I inform them up front that I do have major lag issues, and that I don't miss heals on purpose. I tend to pair up with a lower leveled fighter who allows me to draw agro on myself -as it is easier to heal myself during a lagging period than it is to heal others - not to mention that I can handle magical damage better than his character. He has been very supportive of me and my lag issues, and knows that I will heal him as best as I can...he just doesn't play with the expectation that I will catch his heal in time. If only all tankers could be as understanding...maybe I'd party more.

[Zelnaught]

If you dont like having to heal people, make a fighter.

[farard]

If you dont like having to heal people, make a fighter.

yes make a fighter and beg for heals and res, then whine when they do not appear.

[Panic.Heroine]

Yeah, the main con of being a cleric. I hate it when some people say "heal", "heal me", or definetly my favourite: "rez me"
"rez me"
"rez me"
"rez me"
"rez me"
"rez me"
"rez me"
"rez me". Where did the please go? I know it's our job to heal people, but to a point, and we have every right not to heal somebody if they're being a demanding jerk. >.<

[Harmonie_Ace]

My cleric's not built for strength...so I'm more than happy to step back and let my party members take care of something that would take me twice as long to kill.

[zepheris]

OKay, i guess its time to post. :D

Okay, this is concerning... "CLERICS HAVE TO HEAL"

Well.. to be honest, i believe this game wasnt buildt to have players.. DO A CERTAIN thing.. but to enjoy the game in all aspects.

When someone wants to heal, they heal. When someone wants to die, they die. When someone wants to run they run. You can't do anything about it.

Therefore, telling someone to do something is really against that persons politics. They know what they should do and will do.

However, in certain cases i understand there are some who are just being idiots. Ex.. those who never help out, and has no teamwork. Another good example is those who gets into KQ and then logg out.. then relogs when the fight is almost over.

For real, this game is meant to be fun... and this world is not perfect, so you can't expect everyone to do what you want.

Just like today, I was in KQ. Which i was a cleric.. The tanker was tanking.. obviously. And i was both healing and atking. Sure.. everyone told me to stay away, and heal tank only! "HEAL ONLY" thats what they say. But I was on the bosse's tail. ATKing of course!

So what was the outcome? Easy.. there was only 3 cleric in the KQ. Me another in my gorup and one more.. And the tanker was alive after all the blood shed. Of course becasue i was doing my job. Not only that, I was doing more than my job. So therefore, I produced what was more necessary than i should have produced. Is that not something you should thank?

I've calculated that....
FOR EACH HEAL U DO YOU HAVE A CHANCE OF GETTING 1 HIT ATK ON ENEMY.
At least that is mine.. Maxed out on Decrease Time.
And then you can heal again.. then atk, and heal, atk, heal.
Because the delay will allow you to atk once, even when you maxed out your decrease time.

Not only that... becasue.. I have many roles.. Since the tanker was not in my group.. I have to look out for ALLL my party memebers life, ATK, And recheck tankers life. Of course I can do it. Why? Because i am no "HEALING ONLY" Cleric. To do something new, you need to try out new stuffs. WEll I didnt join that quest just to heal a party? And leech experience? "And no i dont mean that clerics are leechers." I am a cleric after all. :D

So when you compare this chart...: (Tanker Feel free to add more if you know that i'm missing something)

TANKER: Goal = Tank(Ton of life to keep alive)
Keep Target At Bay (Taunts)
ATK Target(s)
............
CLERIC: Goal = Buff Party
Watch Parties Life
Rez Party
Heal Yourself
Watch Non Partied TANKER Life
Watch For Status Effects
Run And or ATK Aggroing Mobs
Stay Within Range For Heal
ATK if necessary

With this u should know what i mean. Because for me i do every of those.

Moral for all these = You play your part and i play my part.

If our politics contradicts each other.. then.. DISBAND.

If our thinking process meet each others expectation then, TEAMWORK is formed.

Therefore, just play what you think you should play. Basically in the end if all aspects is met then a group is formed.

AND FOR THOSE WHO DIE AND BLAME ON CLERICS.

Okies.. IT IS YOUR JOB TO KEEP YOU ALIVE.

IT IS NOT ANOTHER PERSONS JOB TO KEEP YOU ALIVE. Sure they can help you keep yourself alive, but all person PUT THEIR LIFE as a PRIORITY over ANOTHER!

Therefore, DONT RELY ON OTHER TO KEEP YOU ALIVE. Use your own stuffs. Reason? Because like i listed above............

A GOOD CLERICS JOB IS NOT SIMPLE AS YOU THINK IT IS. So they can NEVER reach your expectations! Why? Because they have a PARTY and themself to stay on guard.

And if your not in their party, than that is the very reason why you die. Because UR LIFE IS NOT DISPLAYED IN THEIR SCREEN!!! UNLESS YOU ASK GM TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO THE SYSTEM!!!!!

ANd A Cleric should put their PARTY as their priority! After themselves.

EX> >> Wouldnt it be easy to have a TANKER BUTTON? Meaning.. WHOS TANKER? Then you just add their name to the tanker list and you get a nice view of the STATUS of the tanker. :D That would deffinately help!!!
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Ok.. Next time i write would be essays too. This is getting interesting.....

[Duskfire]

I agree! I dont think we should be segregated to one specific Job. Sure I can heal my party like I'm suppose to ... but I can also be a valuable assist when it comes to holding agro and fighting!

Woot woot for your voice! =)

[DrowMistress]

Clerics heal people. When you're a cleric, that's what people expect you to do, because we're the ones who can do that. I think we should fight when we should fight, but I also think it's nice to be invited in because I have a skill the other's don't. That's why people party in the first place. If you want to fight a lot, go solo.

And as for the annoyance of rezing people, I have fantasies of standing next to a dead person and making them be potile. >>

Dead person: rez me
Me: Say pleeaase! >3

anyway. I think if yo don't wanna heal people, find a differant class or quit complaining.

[Gravvi]

Clerics if you don't want to do something say u got bored and made a cleric without those buffs or heals so you have ot attack. They can't see ur skills. I mean come one be creative and just heal do what is in your best interest to get further in the game. OR just be polite and say no.

[LeumasAuron]

You don't have to accept the party requests.

[shamanxonos]

Well I am frankly proud of the fact that clerics are sometimes needed/wanted/ requested. If you didn't want to heal than you shouldn't have chose to play cleric.

I've played healers/buffers in EVERY MMO I've played. Your wanted for your buffs and healing.

The way I see it the game is set up for Clerics to tank,buff and heal. Rather than the typical fighter.

[XelveX]

Lets revolt! :D After all we clerics can heal ourselves and can take care of ourselves (heal, cure, buff, etc.). With those powers we can learn from the palladin master and the skills master in Uruga, we are almost invincible. The skills Damage Absorbtion enables us to be invincible, plus we can dish out a lot of damage when we attack together. Archers, fighters, and mages depend on clerics to heal them, but when ALL the clerics revolt, what do they do? They DIE!

Think about it ;)

~XelveX

[farard]

poll is good but to me its all 3 that needs to be ticked.

[rpg_gamer_gamez]

you can't force clerics to heal you if you want a cleric that bad just be a cleric yourself
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[Nerria]

you can't force clerics to heal you if you want a cleric that bad just be a cleric yourself


I'm sure if you coughed up some silver you could force a Cleric to do anything you asked. As well as any other class/player in the game. :p

[Bubba111]

I'm sure if you coughed up some silver you could force a Cleric to do anything you asked. As well as any other class/player in the game. :p

Lol thats wrong, you cant ask a fighter to heal, or a mage to tank a boss :D. No matter how much moneh you offer.

[Nerria]

Hey, if someone offered my Mage a couple silver I'd tank. It wouldn't work, but I'd be richer.

And if you ask the fighter to heal. Give him the silver and wath him spam HP stones. He is healing. xP

/all jokingly of course. Paying someone is a bad thing to do people, so don't do it.

[mnk4445]

Jaded_Lullaby thank you for posting this!!!!!
zepheris love ur essay.

Ok well the topic is cleric right?

Let me put my two cents in for the discussion.

Lets see where to start.

Tanks are the character that take the damage right? well let see ur expected to take the damage right? well for me i would think that u would tank and have a lot of potion on u so that a "healer" is not required. At least thats what i consider a tanker to be. i could be wrong. well maybe i am. I would think that tanks for put there status on end, spr, and dex. end for more defense and Hp. Spr for more magic defense and more Sp. Sp for there skill so that they can keep hate. Dex for so that they can hit the mob and therefore keep hate. Also dex for agility so that the mob cant hit u so that u wont require a healer. a ideal tank would be a tank that does required someone else help. right?

DD(Damage Dealers). well i guess it would be character that would do damage. For mages i would expect there status to be on spr int and dex. spr for more SP so u can use more of ur spells. Dex for aim. Int for more magic damage. Archer i would expect more dex str and spr. dex for aim. Str for more attack damage i think, "some game only need it on dex for range type attacks" to deal damage. spr for more sp so that u can use ur spells to deal more damage. Fighter DDs. i expect for more str and dex. str for more damage and dex so that u can hit the mobs. i think the ideal DD would be a character would kill the mob before it could touch u. right?

Healer well healer should put more on end and spr. end for more defence. spr for more SP and more magic defense. A ideal healer would be a character that could heal everyone. right?

Fighters, mages, archer, and cleric. well i guess fighters are expect to be the tank? mages and archer to be the DD, and cleric to be the healer. right? well in reality theres no ideal dd, tank, or healer. because then u wouldnt need the other jobs. right?

Well im a lvl 29 cleric on the Bijou sever. name is Mnkknm. well i guess im the healer of the game right. well in parties i could heal other or heal myself. in healing myself only i would still be doing my job. since i was healing that is. now that we r expect to heal the party member depend on both u and us. if ur an *** then why would we heal u? for me i would die only if i could let the party leave. i make sure that my party live. but unfortunately there a think that call cool down time and lag. so because if someone dies in a party is not just because we didnt want to heal u for being a ***. but had other issue involving ur death.

Well i know that there r other cleric that r asses that dont care about healing others. Well just to let u guys know i think the only reason why Jaded_Lullaby put this post is to let u guys know that we cleric can do more then just heal. also that we should get some respect from other by which not being called noob and or being told what to do. we know what to do. if u dont think we r doing what we r suppose to do the leave. or ask/tell us in a nice way. then ordering us around. well i could be wrong.

well for me i didnt have a party that was bad. every party that i been in have been great. and i know there are ppl that agree with me about this which is that the party is good as only the ppl who play the characters. meaning that if ur an *** in real life ur character will show it.

now the money issue. umm we there is a skill called potion prodution or something like that. how if u dont want to spend the money to buy the potion the spend the time to make the potion so that u wouldnt require a healer. dont expect the cleric to heal u since we dont really have to. we do have the skill call heal and ya i guess we should heal the member that need it. but do us a favor and do ur part just doing damage and taking that blow isnt good enough. be more respectful to us and other. even if u die.

well i like to type more but i really need to sleep its 1am and i have to go to class tomorrow. well i check back later to see the comment and might post again. didnt really have a chance to prof read my work but just let me know what u think so that i could respond to my mistakes. well see u in the game.:D

[Hirochihachi]

I don't know what the problem is; It's generally not that difficult to be healing the tank, keeping an eye on the other members of the party, and throwing in a bit of damage yourself when you get the chance.

[Kholai]

Jaded_Lullaby thank you for posting this!!!!!
zepheris love ur essay.

Ok well the topic is cleric right?

Let me put my two cents in for the discussion.

Lets see where to start.

Tanks are the character that take the damage right? well let see ur expected to take the damage right? well for me i would think that u would tank and have a lot of potion on u so that a "healer" is not required. At least thats what i consider a tanker to be. i could be wrong. well maybe i am. I would think that tanks for put there status on end, spr, and dex. end for more defense and Hp. Spr for more magic defense and more Sp. Sp for there skill so that they can keep hate. Dex for so that they can hit the mob and therefore keep hate. Also dex for agility so that the mob cant hit u so that u wont require a healer. a ideal tank would be a tank that does required someone else help. right?


Incorrect. On several levels.

1: Cost. Potions are expensive. Assume that a tier 1 HP potion costs 25 copper, and restores 230 HP, assume that a tier 1 SP potion costs 25 copper and restores 230 SP. You're level 29, so you have tier 5 heal. If you cast this heal on a tank, and you were intelligent enough to empower SP reduction, this costs 29 SP. Every one heal is equal to two potions, but it doesn't even cost you one.
2: Cooldown. Potions and stones have cooldown times and regulated numbers. Against a mob of any actual danger, these cooldown times are sufficient to allow the tank to die. This is in combination with the massive amounts of damage that enemies deal. An ideal tank as you describe it is impossible within the confines of the system.
3: Free Stats. Fighters' base dexterity is poor, and as such, adding dexterity will do nothing but waste their precious free stats.
4: Efficiency. If the fighter is spending 5 silver an hour restocking their potions and stones, then you wouldn't get any grinding done. The heal spell of Fiesta is strong and spammable for a reason, and that reason is for healing other people.
5: Risk. If the tank didn't need help, why would they party with you? Obviously if you're in a party, you don't hang around killing green monsters, you go find somewhere everything is orange or red to you to go for some nice Exp.
6: Fairness. Two scenarios:
You're in a party, you are hunting in Vine Tomb, where monsters are a great threat to you and everyone in your party. The tank is taking all the hits, using SP to deal damage, debuff the enemy, hold aggro.... The archer is using SP to poison the enemy, to get them off them when they lure.... The mage is using SP to damage the enemy more than is reasonable.

Scenario A: The cleric walks up and bashes the enemy, rarely, and heals nobody but themselves (except wow, they aren't taking damage because of the tank). They don't even use buffs, because they aren't that sort of cleric. Their damage is worse than even the tanks, so they're not doing much. Suddenly the tank is using resources to recover HP too, and if they lose aggro because they die (ran out of pots probably), boom, the archer and the mage are using additional resources to try and survive.

Scenario B: The cleric sleeps, in their little mini-house. Every five seconds or so, they pop out of their house and heal the tank, and pop back in. Sometimes the mage lifetaps, so they use recover on him, sometimes the archer gets poked, so they use revive on him, before going back to sleep.
Sometimes they cast invincible.
Two hours later, the tank is out of SP stones, so's the archer. The mage is fine, because they have lifetap, the cleric is on full SP, and has used maybe three stones in emergencies.

Which scenario is more fair? The one where the cleric sleeps all day and heals sometimes, or the one where the cleric believes that they're not the only support class in the game and everyone else suffers?


DD(Damage Dealers). well i guess it would be character that would do damage. For mages i would expect there status to be on spr int and dex. spr for more SP so u can use more of ur spells. Dex for aim. Int for more magic damage. Archer i would expect more dex str and spr. dex for aim. Str for more attack damage i think, "some game only need it on dex for range type attacks" to deal damage. spr for more sp so that u can use ur spells to deal more damage. Fighter DDs. i expect for more str and dex. str for more damage and dex so that u can hit the mobs. i think the ideal DD would be a character would kill the mob before it could touch u. right?

The only class that might ever want dexterity is an archer, and even then they've got to be touched in the head. You've also neglected the critical hit factor that Spirit gives, which accounts for a large, large amount of damage.

You've also missed out on a serious problem, which is the massively scaling mob HP totals, after around level 20, it's impossible to kill any monster of similar level before it reaches you, regardless of build. It simply takes too many hits to kill the monster. An ideal damage dealer as you describe is impossible within the confines of the system.


well in reality theres no ideal dd, tank, or healer. because then u wouldnt need the other jobs. right?

Incorrect, there is still an ideal healer. The ideal healer is the one who heals everyone else.


Well im a lvl 29 cleric on the Bijou sever. name is Mnkknm. well i guess im the healer of the game right. well in parties i could heal other or heal myself. in healing myself only i would still be doing my job. since i was healing that is. now that we r expect to heal the party member depend on both u and us.

Except you would not be doing your job, since if everyone were their job, you wouldn't have to heal yourself, the tank would be taking all the damage.


Well i know that there r other cleric that r asses that dont care about healing others. Well just to let u guys know i think the only reason why Jaded_Lullaby put this post is to let u guys know that we cleric can do more then just heal. also that we should get some respect from other by which not being called noob and or being told what to do. we know what to do. if u dont think we r doing what we r suppose to do the leave. or ask/tell us in a nice way. then ordering us around. well i could be wrong.


I can do so much more than just heal. I can tank, I can deal damage, I can buff people..... And yet nobody tells me what to do, and if they do, I ignore 'em. Yet I still heal, because without healing, no party works in this game. The cleric can heal cheaply, easily, and quickly. They are simply required to do so, because game balance is skewed towards the idea that they will.


Sabbygirl: YES! Let's all get our axes and go solo the zombie king!! Down with clerics! They never do anything!!!!

[Xanthros]

Clerics SUX big time WE do not need them...

Roll a Fighter! or Mage or Archer!

If you're on Teva, let me know your username.. I'd love to watch you tank Marlone, or ZK without a cleric - I'd actually place a very large bet that you couldn't solo. Full END won't save you, it only takes 2.2 seconds for ZK to hit you 3x, and give you a dirt nap.

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[thechaz]

yeah i agree we can do more than heal and suply surport im a cleric that attacks because be can heal we can still kill the monsters with out any trouble and i hate it when i was playing and all i get i get invited by lv10's and all the time i get asked res for what ever reason so i say go f**k yourself i im really anoyed with the tanks thinking that they can do anything with a woosy sword well i say let use clerics fight we can do loads like hit and run, lure, tank and heal so we rule and we dont really need tanks we can do it so clerics revolt when u get asked out side a kq (other than when your in a part and your asked to res) dont even bother helping. and i bet the gut that said that clerics arnt needed is a ***** fighter that alway needs a paty because he doesnt want to get the blame for screwing up and with out clerics the kq's would be impossable unless they were all at the max lv requirements

[mnk4445]

Umm u make it sound that i party to lvl to 29. well i have doing kq but other then that i dont party other then to help others out. well anyway u i knew that i forgot something. what i forgot was that there no way to get an ideal character that i explained about. i forgot more things but to layzzzzzzz to go back well some what. now the reason why i was explain was that u guys dont seem to get that. Like zepheris mentioned it all about team work. theres no i in team right. now putting the status on to what i mentioned before would just help u out that all i was trying to say.

[QUOTE=Kholai;173389]Incorrect. On several levels.

"1: Cost. Potions are expensive. Assume that a tier 1 HP potion costs 25 copper, and restores 230 HP, assume that a tier 1 SP potion costs 25 copper and restores 230 SP. You're level 29, so you have tier 5 heal. If you cast this heal on a tank, and you were intelligent enough to empower SP reduction, this costs 29 SP. Every one heal is equal to two potions, but it doesn't even cost you one. "

Now i never said that u had just buy the potion did i? i also that u can hunt ur as off to get the item to make them. umm if u hunt them then it would cost u nothing. since ur a tank a all then kill the green type monster should be a piece of cake for u. so why not spend the time to do so. well there one more thing as i read before some one mentioned that "if ur wry about sp for cleric then ask the party to resupply u. that could be said same for the all the other classes. has anyone ask?

"2: Cooldown. Potions and stones have cooldown times and regulated numbers. Against a mob of any actual danger, these cooldown times are sufficient to allow the tank to die. This is in combination with the massive amounts of damage that enemies deal. An ideal tank as you describe it is impossible within the confines of the system."

now at this part not sure where ur coming from. but hello everything has a cool down time. ya maybe u shouldnt try to kill something u cant. lol. but ya i get what u mean. what cleric to heal ur *** is good as died. right?

"3: Free Stats. Fighters' base dexterity is poor, and as such, adding dexterity will do nothing but waste their precious free stats."

for this one i dont think its a waste u should raise dex no matter what. i mean u dont have to put much but it wouldnt hurt.

"4: Efficiency. If the fighter is spending 5 silver an hour restocking their potions and stones, then you wouldn't get any grinding done. The heal spell of Fiesta is strong and spammable for a reason, and that reason is for healing other people."

hey i dont have a problem with healing other ppl. well about the money u could ask other for money. them giving u money or not depend on them. grinding done well at least u wouldnt die.

"5: Risk. If the tank didn't need help, why would they party with you? Obviously if you're in a party, you don't hang around killing green monsters, you go find somewhere everything is orange or red to you to go for some nice Exp."

that all depends on the party lol. i dont party much as u can see. ya now ur thinking that we wouldnt heal the tank. umm no did u not read what i said at the end. i was just making the point that ppl r stupid me being the dumbest of course. well i think i said that we just want some respect or something like that. umm ya respect meaning being kind. u know this is only to the ppl that do this which is that if the tank dies then they start yell at the cleric why didnt u heal when he was also attacking. umm think think someone said that we could attack to snice we have a cool down time for healing. umm if u happened to die at that point then sry i couldnt heal. cool down time death can help it. umm also there other thing like lag that really suck that could help in death. sry i dont have a good computer as u. o ya just have to put this if u dont have that much dex can u hit the orange or red monster? just wondering lol

"6: Fairness. Two scenarios:
You're in a party, you are hunting in Vine Tomb, where monsters are a great threat to you and everyone in your party. The tank is taking all the hits, using SP to deal damage, debuff the enemy, hold aggro.... The archer is using SP to poison the enemy, to get them off them when they lure.... The mage is using SP to damage the enemy more than is reasonable."

"Scenario A: The cleric walks up and bashes the enemy, rarely, and heals nobody but themselves (except wow, they aren't taking damage because of the tank). They don't even use buffs, because they aren't that sort of cleric. Their damage is worse than even the tanks, so they're not doing much. Suddenly the tank is using resources to recover HP too, and if they lose aggro because they die (ran out of pots probably), boom, the archer and the mage are using additional resources to try and survive."

scenario A: explanation A: ok well if ur going to waste pot like that why dont u just stop attacking the mob. let cleric get hate and then let him die and the continue waste more pots. umm why would the lead of the party now tell him anything or kick him for being a ***. unleash ur the *** party that the cleric shouldnt heal. and one more thing u dont have to die u could run. there r return scroll that u can use that can help u avoid death.

"Scenario B: The cleric sleeps, in their little mini-house. Every five seconds or so, they pop out of their house and heal the tank, and pop back in. Sometimes the mage lifetaps, so they use recover on him, sometimes the archer gets poked, so they use revive on him, before going back to sleep.
Sometimes they cast invincible.
Two hours later, the tank is out of SP stones, so's the archer. The mage is fine, because they have lifetap, the cleric is on full SP, and has used maybe three stones in emergencies."

scenario B. explanation B. ok well let c if the cleric is healing them them and not running out of sp then why is the fighter using stones or pot or both.

"Which scenario is more fair? The one where the cleric sleeps all day and heals sometimes, or the one where the cleric believes that they're not the only support class in the game and everyone else suffers?"

ya i wonder now which one sounds fair for the cleric.

"The only class that might ever want dexterity is an archer, and even then they've got to be touched in the head. You've also neglected the critical hit factor that Spirit gives, which accounts for a large, large amount of damage."

umm i never said that u had to put all of ur status on dex. umm thats what ur thinking i meant. hello there no ideal character like that at not for this game i played on other game that mainly just put on dex, and ur good the best. but that comment was for ideal char and not for the char we have. umm ya sry again that i didnt mentioned that there r no ideal char. spirit gives critical cool . umm if u dont have dex can u hit the mob or even get the critical hit.

"You've also missed out on a serious problem, which is the massively scaling mob HP totals, after around level 20, it's impossible to kill any monster of similar level before it reaches you, regardless of build. It simply takes too many hits to kill the monster. An ideal damage dealer as you describe is impossible within the confines of the system."

once again sry that i didnt mentioned that there r no ideal char. c i told u i didnt read over my post. ok i might be lieing again but what about gm there the ideal char right. or the hacker that can do that. well besides them there r no ideal char that i mentioned before. i knew i had error for my post but it was 1am when i post it and i wanted to sleep. come on give me a break

"Incorrect, there is still an ideal healer. The ideal healer is the one who heals everyone else."

no there no ideal healer. hello u cant heal everyone. meaning everyone. mean all throughout the game in every location just by stand in town out of harm way. well i think u meant only in a party thats just a healer not and ideal healer.

HAVE TO DO THIS IN TWO POST

[mnk4445]

"Except you would not be doing your job, since if everyone were their job, you wouldn't have to heal yourself, the tank would be taking all the damage."

hey u made a really good point. ya ur right about that. lol. ya but this is only the fact is that im talking about an *** that doesnt heal. i could still heal myself if i need it or not doesnt mean that i cant heal myself. heal mean using the skill heal. well wouldnt be healing in the sence that im not recovering hp but im still using heal so im healing right? that what i meant by healing lol. if anyone does that then they are asses for doing that.


"I can do so much more than just heal. I can tank, I can deal damage, I can buff people..... And yet nobody tells me what to do, and if they do, I ignore 'em. Yet I still heal, because without healing, no party works in this game. The cleric can heal cheaply, easily, and quickly. They are simply required to do so, because game balance is skewed towards the idea that they will."

lol they r not require to do anything lol. um thats why u have pot. for us healing u guys is being kind so that u dont die or waste so much money. cheaply and easily i dont know about that. in a party u dont make much money at all. that goes for every class. the only way to make real money to be really lucky and go solo and make some items to sell.

"Sabbygirl: YES! Let's all get our axes and go solo the zombie king!! Down with clerics! They never do anything!!!![/QUOTE]"

lol go ahead i would really like to c that lol

over all i know that zepheris was right about team work. now let me make this clean for everyone this thread r for the ppl who think only for themself. umm dont tell the cleric to heal that rude. we dont mind healing anyone the problem is we get yelled at. umm the only reason we get invites would be to heal. umm u could ask us if we want to party for the only fact just to heal. umm dont invite us to party and then order us to heal. that what i think the poster of this thread Jaded_Lullaby was trying to put out. umm everyone know that we cleric have the heal ability. ya we do heal umm but just dont tell us in a rude way to heal. well most of us not mind healing. the fact is that what i think Jaded_Lullaby was trying to make was the rudeness of ppl toward cleric.

now everyone ppl r stupid they r rude if u dont like that party leave. if u dont like what they say tell gm. dont call other name or tell them anything to belittle them. the fact is that the ppl who do so r really the ones that r little one.

man i was going to type more but ill wait to c the comments and to c more of my error get corrected. thank you Kholai for pointing this out to me. :D and i think im going to be late for class damit. :mad:

[More-san]

Look we can fight true.We can heal true.But nobody acknowledges our ability to woopass quite frankly we need the SP for other and why don't u stop being a retard and buy yourself a HP potion k? But even my point is arguable lets make a pact FOR ONE DAY ON JANUARY THE FIRST THERE WILL BE NO PARTIES how bout that?

[More-san]

and to be honest really honest really really honest this whole argument is about clerics healing u cant take us down because most clerics can perform alchemy i know i can.ha ha
Ja Ja Ja Ja just like the bad guy from lethal weapon 2 i got diplomatic immunity........

[Aveta]

I've had people yell at me to heal while I was tanking on my cleric (because there were no fighters)
"OMG CLIERIC DO JOB HEAL"
"Would you like me to stop taking the aggro from this mob and let it kill you"
"U R NUB CLIERIC EHY YOUA NO HEAL"
"dont you pay attention. Try attacking the one I attack and you'll see you wont take any damage."
*noob keeps agroing stuff*

Then I let them die. The idiot wouldnt be taking damage anyways if instead of firing at a random mob they fired at the one I was tanking for them.


Some other abuse. I asked for a party in kq, there were 14 people so 2 parties of 5 and one of 4. But noone would party me. Then they kept yelling at me to heal them, while I got no exp and no quest credit at all. Then I just started being a ***** and laughed at them when they died, so they got more pissed off and yelled back and died more. Seriously, I don't mind being a walking potion as long as i get some exp for it, but at least give me that much.

[Semaj]

Some other abuse. I asked for a party in kq, there were 14 people so 2 parties of 5 and one of 4. But noone would party me. Then they kept yelling at me to heal them, while I got no exp and no quest credit at all. Then I just started being a ***** and laughed at them when they died, so they got more pissed off and yelled back and died more. Seriously, I don't mind being a walking potion as long as i get some exp for it, but at least give me that much.

there's a really good way to fix this. dont heal or rez. if your not in a party just watch out for yourself. ya, its mean, but it works wonders on all the newer players who are rude and inconsiderate. after they all die a few times, fail a few KQ's then MABY they'll learn. and if not then its not on you, its on them for being poor players.

[farard]

Ok players expects no demands that a cleric heal, res ect for free. Just try and ask one of the other classes to party up and help you kill one or two mobs for quest, and the answer would be:- " insert what you think the reply would be".

[Xanthros]

and to be honest really honest really really honest this whole argument is about clerics healing u cant take us down because most clerics can perform alchemy i know i can.ha ha
Ja Ja Ja Ja just like the bad guy from lethal weapon 2 i got diplomatic immunity........

Alchemy has nothing to do with taking another down.

Regarding diplomatic immunity:

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/strong-is-the-force-with-yoda-cat.jpg

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[taneeshag]

yeah, it kinda suck being a cleric...no one wants me...XD they just want me to heal all the time...i know its my job, but come on..when im in danger, who rushes to help me??? NOBODY thats who!!! i guess you can call me the lone cleric..lol..everyone expects me to help them, but no help for me huh??? Bite me people...bite me...lmao..the next person i help out will be who ever decides to help me... XP

[Summit]

yeah, it kinda suck being a cleric...no one wants me...XD they just want me to heal all the time...i know its my job, but come on..when im in danger, who rushes to help me??? NOBODY thats who!!! i guess you can call me the lone cleric..lol..everyone expects me to help them, but no help for me huh??? Bite me people...bite me...lmao..the next person i help out will be who ever decides to help me... XP

find better groups?

[Soul.of.Trance]

Gah. Stop complaining. You guys are super classes. You can solo red mobs anytime you want.
http://tinyurl.com/gtr49

[Pouna]

Realy you guys are like the best class in my opinion you got great stats and you can heal and rez so why you complaining?

[absolutechaos]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?

QUIT YOUR CLASS THEN
u do have the choice to have 3 other classes if u wanna complain shut up and switch classes

[runkler]

Why fight if figther do more dmg then you?
you can choose to be solo cleric.. but if ur in party u supose to heal them.
bull well we may not as mucj damage but we can help we will stop fighting to heal u too

[Semaj]

if your good at being a cleric you *can* fight as well, but you have to be good in order to be able to keep up everyone health and still agro. You also have to know when to step back and JUST heal, because there are times when thats what it takes to keep everyone alive.

but no use throwing a temper tantrum because your not a good enough cleric to do this.
besides, we dont do anything in damage compared to the other classes.

[Chronoance]

A cleric is the lifeforce of the party, therefore you play an important as being the healer, thats something to be glad about ^_^

[Soul.of.Trance]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?



So you think I should complain because people only invite me because I deal damage? What if I want to tank? That's just too damn bad for me. In a party, you carry out the duties of your class. If you don't like it, don't party, or change classes.
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[Psylent]

Gah. Stop complaining. You guys are super classes. You can solo red mobs anytime you want.
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Yeah... I tested out a red for fun and it actually wasn't that hard. With my archer, reds usually took me down insanely quick. I love being a cleric...

plus, I enjoy being able to help other people. No other class can really interact with other characters to help them. Good Stuff...

[jak0999]

Only time I think Partying while you only heal is with a party in Uruga with the 3x exp going on.

[Psylent]

Only time I think Partying while you only heal is with a party in Uruga with the 3x exp going on.
And with that kind of XP, I wouldn't be complaining...

[Nephthys]

I completely agree. I have a level 35 cleric, and it's ridiculous when other classes tell you what to do...like I dont know (hello, im not level 1). I've never had a complaint about my character. I fight AND heal. No problem, unless my party is full of idiots who like to run into 5 really hard enemies and expects me to heal all four of them at the same time. Not gonna happen. Someone is gonna die. Get over it. Either you wait for me to res you while I run to a safe spot, or you make me die with you and we all lose.

But thats probably only a few parties that I have had happen to. =3

[smitske]

little problems with it, we always have 2 clerics and i can fight and heal at the same time+ mostlyi tank :P

End cleric FTW!

[Jiffypopmaob]

Why fight if figther do more dmg then you?
you can choose to be solo cleric.. but if ur in party u supose to heal them.... because you can. the developers gave us weapons for a reason.

[azure-balmung]

ok you guys look how well clerics have it think about there natural weakness(without use of pots scrolls and things) then play other classes find there weakeness or if your to lazy
weakness's:
cleric:low damage not to bad though
mage: dies to easy
archer:dunno so much about but friend always dies alot as one
fighter: cant heal themselves ,not alot of sp
so yea correct that if you can but i dont really see clerics having the porblem here they have no real weakness so clerics who complain all i can say is shutup heal because its part of your classes job to healif you dont like it be solo or play as a diffrent class

if you still think clerics have it bad try being a fighter with half an half end an str

[Theoris]

To be fair.
A Cleric can solo a mob many levels above him, if he is clever and uses Heal, Stones and Pots.
I did some mathematics and figured that fully loaded with SP stones, my cleric has the equivalent of 850,000 hp (approx.)
Does this mean i would make the best tank in a party? I mean hey, i'm practically invincible.
No, clerics don't make good tanks, cos we have no aggro spells. Any mage or warrior would do more dmg in a party and then they are the tank. And they are not "invincible".

At this point the cleric has an important choice to make. Does he want to fight the mob and focus on healing himself? Or does he want to heal the rest of his team?

IF YOU HEAL YOURSELF...

Well, the poor mage would be squashed into the ground... end
The warrior might survive if he is full end, but would quickly run out of stones/pots and have to go back to town. More likely against an orange/red mob, he'd be killed.

Then you are solo again, which means lower exp. Fewer loots.

IF YOU HEAL YOUR PARTY...

The warrior can take the aggro, keeping you safe.
The mage can obliterate the mob, making fast exp and better loots for everyone.
You can rest between heals to keep your SP up so you don't have to spend stones and pots.


So simply. If you want to party effectivly, you HAVE to heal the rest of your party.
If you don't want to heal others, fight solo.

I'm not telling you what you should do, just telling you what will happen when you do it ^_^

Finally I'd like to draw EVERYONE'S attention to the final phrase in the OFFICIAL beginner guide to fiesta.


Clerics can revive dead characters, but they do not gain this ability until level 20. If you die in a lower level zone like Roumen or Forest of Tides, nearby clerics probably won't have the Revive skill—so warp to town and run back to where you were. If you die in an area with characters at or above level 20, someone may revive you if you ask them nicely

[ivyyy]

hi! English is not my first language so it's hard for me to understand all what you're writing. So I have few questions for you and I would like you to answer me with full sentences.
1. What is a tank and how do I use it?
2. What are alchemy skills and how do I use them?
3. What things do I need the most? (CLERIC, ARCHER)
4. How do I upgrade a weapon? (what do i need...):eek:

[Kaiza]

1 He is a Fighter with Taunt skills to get the Aggro of the mobs. Mostly he is END based.
2 too long i dont have time to answer atm srry
3. Cleric: Depends if you are Solo you should take STR,END,SPR | Fullsupport should take END/SPr
4. You need elrue for 1~3 lix 4~6 xir 7~9. To refine just go to smith click on refine, put ur weapon there and 1 [!] Stone there and click start. Now hope you success

[Asheer]

Hi.

For my experience whit Fiesta i have some good and bad comment.
But first off all i am extremaly gratefull for all cleric i have meet during game.
To say the thruth i never ask for rez or healing ( iam lvl 20 fighter) but i have ben many times heal by near by cleric :).
I must say that almoust 90 % my entries in frends list are cleric.
I known that cleric can heal himself(or herself) but sometimes even they must rest to recover SP, and there is many "high risk" areas when rest character can be attack during rest.
Good when attacker is not too strong(boogey) but sometimes attacker poses a range attack ability, or is realy strong(FoM foes) or Maras Sailors and elites.
and many more.
When i party whit cleric i try to protect them( i known i known..., many will say "We dont need protection ;)" but even a cleric fail against 10 or more oponents.
Other things considering cleric abilites.
I have see couple of time a low lvls entering for example Forest of Mist and be very fast kills and then i read on chat "'rez me"-and coordinates.
Good when ask plz, but many times is not and later on is suprised that no one will come.
So my apeal to lowlvls READ A SIGNS!!! near gates, they have reason, or any complains that your character die fast keept for your self and dont blame others ESPECIALY CLERIC!.
I have learn on my "own skin" when as lvl 12 i try enter FoM and pretty fast end on Elderine :).

And trust me, when you say Thank You for cleric action you achieve much more as being rude or say nothing and just run to another fight ;)

PS:Sorry for my bad english

Asheer LVL20 Fighter. Teva server

[Asheer]

One more thing.

I have very high regard for two cleric from "HOLY SHIELD" Gulid who gave me many help duing my play :) for what iam very Thankfull.
I have been one day member of "HOLY SHIELD" but even for that i am Gratefull.

(frendlly)Asheer Lvl 20 fighter- Teva server

[TimeManInJail]

Lol that not discrimination
all they did was use the most fitting only a retard would go and get another class unfitting for a tank... sheesh
and when you party you are expected to do the role that fitting for you.

[Luna_Moore]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?


Uhm... I just was in a party yesterday with two clerics who did nothing but fight. Before that there was one other cleric and I had to tell her to heal others too. :mad: I was stuck as the sole healer when I shouldn't have been. No offense but I am beyond AGAINST you on this. As a cleric you are expected to heal. So heal your share, damnit. Like I've said before, the only thing that ticks me off more than a tank who doesn't use a shield when they need to and uses stun instead of snearing kick, is a cleric who doesn't heal!

Sure, if everyone's health is fine and you DO heal them when they need it, you should be allowed to fight. Although I personally save my bash for soloing and reserve my SP for heal and possible revives. Especially since that's what I'll be doing in a life or death struggle with a party. XD

[jorbowsky]

I agree with you, usually when the map becomes more difficult the cleric should solely focus on healing the party members. The only situation where I'd say a cleric could really fight is if they're soloing or partied with a wizard using spells that don't aggro the monster. If I were in your situation I would've just booted the cleric and found a class thats actually built to do damage.

[Kiabosk]

Well then Jaded lullaby, choose your own parties to go out with, and "NOT TRYING TO SOUND HARSH HERE" but if you didn't want to heal, then why did u really choose the cleric then? Sounds like they beat me to the question but still, you must understand that, it is the MAIN job of a cleric to do so.. :P

[Kalipso]

Well, I am a cleric, and I choose this becouse I wanted to hill people, but I also like to fight alone. Accually I'm trying to party only on KQ unless one of my friends want to.
In party I take role that I have to eather it is just healing and staying back or trying to block monsters from killing weaker party members.
It's just how being a cleric is. Sometimes you fight, sometimes you have to stay aside.
For example on KQ. Last time when I was on mara, there were like 2 high clerics and we were trying as good as we could to heal (and rez) everyone, but everything was going wrong, so we had really full hands of work. Would you try to fight in situation like that? I wouldn't.
The hard thing of situations like that is, that sometimes you have to choose who to rev. I know it doesn't seem right for the ones who die, but if you want to win, than you have to make some decisions.

[bionical2k]

discrimination? plz. this is not a political site

the only problem facing clerics is rudeness and that is why i once shouted in uruga for ppl to say plz when they wanted a hp/sp buff. i will NOT buff if there is no plz.

as for wanting to fight. create a solo cleric and don't bother joining KQs or parties then. that way u wont feel hard done by. but y shud u feel that way. ur obviously not seeing the bigger picture. party members or guild members shud not have to ask for buffs or heals. how will u lvl faster if they do? u may die and lose more xp urself as well as party members than any of u make and therefore be segregated to soloing and lvlling slower.

lvl 50s start having to party especially at lvl 56 when u need 2 million xp roughly to lvl (all cl@sses)

clerics are the most important cl@ss and shud feel priviledged since ur not far off a god in this game.

i created a cleric who can solo and party when needed and may take longer to kill a mob on solo than a pure solo cleric but so what. i know what my char can do

it is about other cl@sses asking nicely for heals that i think is important and not seen to be a heal slave or buff machine for any random person who asks and that goes for low lvl clerics too i.e. a lvl 20 cleric saying simply "buff me" to a lvl 52 cleric and expecting a buff. it shud be, "cud u buff me plz?" then u may get a buff for example



discrimination? what u are really asking for is respect which is different.

in a party u r a team. archers or mages pull, archers apply poison, bleed and disease. mages do alot of dmg while fighters use taunt, mock and their kicks to keep mobs on them while clerics heal where necessary

TEAM WORK PPL THAT IS WHAT IT IS CALLED

low dmg is there to weaken a mob if u absolutely need to. but run past ur fighter so they can use mock or taunt to get the mob off u so u can heal and do ur job.
cleric is healer and a fighter = body guard in effect

[taneeshag]

First of all let me set things straight..."IT IS NOT A CLERICS JOB TO HEAL OTHERS"...Just because we have the ability to do it, doesn't mean that we have to...it just makes the game easier for everyone...THINK ABOUT IT...if it was our job to heal everyone else, then the game developers wouldn't have given us weapons and **** like dat. So before everyone goes around pissing off all the clerics out there, think twice before you decide you wanna be demanding. Cause if we decide to just let your asses die, then oh well sorry for ya...better luck next time...with all the different classes to choose from, there was a purpose to that. It was to make the game more interesting...NOT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERYONE. If you really think about it, everyone needs a lil help sometimes...even us clerics. and im a lvl 21 cleric and still need help from time to time. DON'T BE STUPID PEOPLE!!!

[Summit]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?

If you didnt want to heal dont be a cleric Im sorry but it IS the role you play in parties and what you will be asked to do. either pick a diff class or dont party with people thats your options.

[Summit]

First of all let me set things straight..."IT IS NOT A CLERICS JOB TO HEAL OTHERS"...Just because we have the ability to do it, doesn't mean that we have to...it just makes the game easier for everyone...THINK ABOUT IT...if it was our job to heal everyone else, then the game developers wouldn't have given us weapons and **** like dat. So before everyone goes around pissing off all the clerics out there, think twice before you decide you wanna be demanding. Cause if we decide to just let your asses die, then oh well sorry for ya...better luck next time...with all the different classes to choose from, there was a purpose to that. It was to make the game more interesting...NOT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERYONE. If you really think about it, everyone needs a lil help sometimes...even us clerics. and im a lvl 21 cleric and still need help from time to time. DON'T BE STUPID PEOPLE!!!

Right it isnt a clerics job to heal others yet THEIR THE ONLY CLASS WITH A HEAL SPELL OMFG NO WAY?!?! your an idiot sir and if you didnt want to fill your role for which it was made for party wise solo for the rest of yourlife and heal yourself.

[warkop]

First of all let me set things straight..."IT IS NOT A CLERICS JOB TO HEAL OTHERS"...Just because we have the ability to do it, doesn't mean that we have to...it just makes the game easier for everyone...THINK ABOUT IT...if it was our job to heal everyone else, then the game developers wouldn't have given us weapons and **** like dat. So before everyone goes around pissing off all the clerics out there, think twice before you decide you wanna be demanding. Cause if we decide to just let your asses die, then oh well sorry for ya...better luck next time...with all the different classes to choose from, there was a purpose to that. It was to make the game more interesting...NOT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERYONE. If you really think about it, everyone needs a lil help sometimes...even us clerics. and im a lvl 21 cleric and still need help from time to time. DON'T BE STUPID PEOPLE!!!

I really dont undertand why a lots of cleric complaining about having to heal your party members. In the party your role is the healer, the one who have to make sure no one die. Why? because other classes can do other things better than us.

Our roles is the healer! Yes we have weapon (even mage have a weapon, but you dont expect them to bash the enemy with it). but Damage is not where our strenght is.. its in our healing spell.

We ARE in the party to make it easier for everyone else.. including ourself. Imagine if you have to solo grind yourself, it will take much much longer then when you are in a party.

[evilryukenmaster]

TANEESHAQ, u have some very interesting points! Very pleased about it. :D

Sometimes we clerics even need help. Also, it is not our job to keep u ALIVE. If it is OUR job to keep someone alive.. that means we're equivalient to a god. And so to add more, it is their own duty to keep them alive. However, they MAY recieve help from us. And thus, IF we need help, they should help us. But then, we WONT be able to get HEALS from them. Getting some points here guys?

Okay.. for thick headed people and those people who dont listen to others, and always think they're right, and thinks thay their everything.. and thinks too highly of themselves.

...."Just another of those ABOVE average fighters....
....."MY GREAT Kingdom Quest Guide.....

Okay... everyone get the point? ABOVE, GREAT.... :P

OKay.. also to point out...maybe tthey're the kind who.....

Waits for clerics to heal them...
or if i'm not correct....

Waits untill life almost gone, then use pot...

Or... let themself die and wait for cleric to rev...

Why dont u spam POT urself? Since u want others to spam heal u.

Okay.. if u think about what i say here.. u'll get my point... But i'm pretty sure, those who dont think of others VIEWS will not understand what i'm saying here...

And to give a hint about the above... it is.... Ur expecting ur cleric to keep you alive.. and you want them to play god. Also.. about the ABILITY of the CLERIC with HEALS.

Yeah.. we have HEALS.. however.. to put it into another term... ITS ANOTHER POT FOR US! A POT THAT CAN BE USED TO DIFFERENT PEOPLES.

Therefore, EVERYONE HAS POTS!!!!!!

Get what i'm trying to say here? If not.. u need to think more, and dont be thick. Anyone is free to post something against what i'm saying here.. however, i hope it is something that i can't come back after. :D

And.... class job... okay.. here is what i'm thinking..

I personally know how to type, cook, run, walk, drink, sleep... etc.etc. etc..

And.. a cleric knows how to.. heal, run, atk.. walk..

IT IS NOT MY JOB TO COOK, TYPE, RUN, WALK, DRINK, SLEEP...

How come..

PEOPLE EXPECT A CLERIC TO HEAL AS A JOB? (IT IS UR JOB TO HEAL)

Okay, this not only refers to CLERICS, it refers to all clases... :D

KK hope to hear from others soon!

[xGreatDevilx]

Yes, being a cleric = healing and ress-ing people. But we can choose not to do so too.



Its irritating when someone who you do not know comes up and say like, "heal pls" , "buff pls" , "ress me" and sometimes even with an "!" behind. which means they are TELLING us to do it and they are not asking us to do it.

[Mischeia]

I enjoy being a cleric .. But I agree .. some people can be kinda rude .. it's all, "heal" or "rez me k"

As if it's an order. Usually when they don't say please I just kinda pretend i'm idle, or turn away.

[alphagaunt]

This is where things get me cause i have been around and played many games and the stereotype always is that clerics are only good as healers..stick to your class skills and blah blah blah! i totally agree that balancing is the best and you as a cleric shouldn't be limited to just healing, more power to you if your fine with that..but my cleric is really good at fighting as well as healing...why limit yourself to class/skill restrictions?

[Link2.0]

I dont really care if people ask for help. I help ppl cuz im a cleric. thats why i chose this class. In fact, I help and give out free things and money to new ppl cuz im a cleric and clerics are supposed to help others. thats my opinion anyway, you dont have to listen to me.

[chuui]

hmmm welll.....I THINK CLERICS LEVEL FASTER :):):):) ^_____^

[lightningmystix]

O___________________________________o

I'm surprised there is a whole topic on this.

If you don't want to heal, don't be a cleric.

So you're going to sit back and watch your party members die? Hit a high lvl and watch all those people you let die come after you baby~

You're a cleric. The only one with a heal spell, buffs, and the all-important rez. If you don't want to help your party members, oh well. Your loss when the monster turns on you and you take forever and a day to kill it.

Face it clerics - you can't tank well. You may be built for endurance, but you take a looooong time to kill things. So why not get your fat *** moving and heal your fellow friends? Any harm done? No.

I don't see the point of complaining. If you want to fight, go ahead. Just heal your members when they need it. Don't be so stuck up and selfish about your skills.

[falikia]

ok you guys look how well clerics have it think about there natural weakness(without use of pots scrolls and things) then play other classes find there weakeness or if your to lazy
weakness's:
cleric:low damage not to bad though
mage: dies to easy
archer:dunno so much about but friend always dies alot as one
fighter: cant heal themselves ,not alot of sp
so yea correct that if you can but i dont really see clerics having the porblem here they have no real weakness so clerics who complain all i can say is shutup heal because its part of your classes job to healif you dont like it be solo or play as a diffrent class

if you still think clerics have it bad try being a fighter with half an half end an str
Well i'm a warrior and I do very good as one and i'd rather be a warrior than cleric, because warriors can do very well, all they need are a few pots or crystals and you can train a long time. So i don't see the big problem. Mages aren't just weak, they are the most powerful people in the game so don't comment on the freakin mage. Also archers aren't bad either, sure they may be weak but there specials make that difference with the poisoning and disease arrows. Clerics can pretty much be invisible or something but it takes a while to kill monsters, and also there armor isn't always the best, Fiesta makers have all of this figured out and more, so don't go callin other characters bad, when the cleric has some weaknesses too

[Luna_Moore]

First of all let me set things straight..."IT IS NOT A CLERICS JOB TO HEAL OTHERS"...Just because we have the ability to do it, doesn't mean that we have to...it just makes the game easier for everyone...THINK ABOUT IT...if it was our job to heal everyone else, then the game developers wouldn't have given us weapons and **** like dat. So before everyone goes around pissing off all the clerics out there, think twice before you decide you wanna be demanding. Cause if we decide to just let your asses die, then oh well sorry for ya...better luck next time...with all the different classes to choose from, there was a purpose to that. It was to make the game more interesting...NOT TO MAKE IT EASY FOR EVERYONE. If you really think about it, everyone needs a lil help sometimes...even us clerics. and im a lvl 21 cleric and still need help from time to time. DON'T BE STUPID PEOPLE!!!

They WHY are they the ONLY one with a HEAL spell?! Think it through before going off into a rant.

Yeah, if people treat you like dirt you can just let them die. (lol) But if you're stupid enough to stick with a party that treats you poorly, you seriously need to learn to respect yourself.

Of course we have weapons. Who the hell in their right mind runs off to a battle field without any means of defending themselves? e___e

In my opinion, if someone in your party has to ask for a heal (and you're not busy spam healing the tank) then you SUCK as a cleric.

[Luna_Moore]

O___________________________________o

I'm surprised there is a whole topic on this.

If you don't want to heal, don't be a cleric.

So you're going to sit back and watch your party members die? Hit a high lvl and watch all those people you let die come after you baby~

You're a cleric. The only one with a heal spell, buffs, and the all-important rez. If you don't want to help your party members, oh well. Your loss when the monster turns on you and you take forever and a day to kill it.

Face it clerics - you can't tank well. You may be built for endurance, but you take a looooong time to kill things. So why not get your fat *** moving and heal your fellow friends? Any harm done? No.

I don't see the point of complaining. If you want to fight, go ahead. Just heal your members when they need it. Don't be so stuck up and selfish about your skills.

THANK YOU!

[stevanj]

I am a cleric.
I party, I quest, I grind, I farm.
If I party, I heal my party to the best of my ability.
If I quest, grind or farm, I heal myself as needed.
I do not search out others to heal or buff unless asked in a respectful manner.
If you commanded me to heal/buff, I will ignore you for I care not for your attitude.
If I should happen upon you laid out over the hard cold ground, I will give you life.
If you should shout your coordinates for life I may come aid you, depending upon the circumstances.
I will not search you out, attracting mobs as I search for you.
That would be pointless.

[farard]

AS a cleric,
Solo = me first others with magic word,
Party = me first, party 2nd, others as i see fit,
KQ = me first, party 2nd, tank 3rd the rest it i feel like it. ( there is always a kser )

[bionical2k]

ok so we hear ppl saying it is a clerics job to heal and it is not a cerics job to heal.

PARTIES

it is ur job no matter what class ur r to work as a team.
this means if ur a tank then keep the mobs on u and the cleric if only one in party heals the tank. a full end tank does not haver the strength to take down mobs quickly which is where mages and archers come in as ranged attacks to keep away from mobs as much as poss but do the most dmg at the same time

arhcers don't deal dmg i hear u say? when bleed, poison and disease are on mobs they add a considerable dmg blow to the mob.

a cleric then heals from a distance while tank keeps mobs. this is team work

lvl 55 fighter says to cleric "if u didn't fight we wud not have died"

lvl 51 cleric says "u shud keep the mobs on u"

fighter says "how can i if im dead and u wont heal me"

cleric says "u died then the mobs killed me and so how am i supposed to plvl now?"

fighter says "then u shudd've healed me"

cleric says "y shud i heal u? it is not my job to. im just here for faster xp!"

fighter kicks cleric from party

cleric says "what did u do that for?"

fighter says "coz u can't work as part of a team"

what i am saying is i have heard so many clerics complain and wanting to plvl. if ur a cleric and want to plvl then heal especially if ur the only cleric in the party. don't be selfish cause the rest of the party is hlping u to. it means ur hlping each other out.

thank god im in a guild where ppl understand this and have friends who also understand this

SOLO

of course heal urself but u don't have to heal, rez or buff anyone if u don't choose to. the skills either say self for target or friendly/ party

but plz in a party do heal if ur the only one. u depend on mages, archers and fighters to keep mobs off u when they too many or too strong and want them to get u faster xp then return the favour and heal them. for aoe it is good to have 2 clerics to heal. no-one likes to lose 20k or more xp per death as it takes alot of effort to get back when u solo as a cleric or any other class. the game was made for partying at lvls 50+
. the whole game is designed around partying but if u wanna takes weeks reaching the lvl u want then go ahead and solo and stop complaining when u get a party and they want u to heal. solo if u don't like healing others who r in the same party as u

by the way if i haven't read the rest of the posts here then i am a cleric lvl56 atm and lose 20k xp per death. not what i want. yes i like to fight but will also heal as i am a team member and want to lvl so healing is what i have to do to lvl. i need 2 million xp total to lvl. (for low lvl clerics to consider). 2 million xp? yes and it gets worse than that i can assure u when solo an orc gives 837 xp per kill. that equates to 2,390 kills to lvl. as a cleric? don't make me laugh. it is hard enough for a fighter

[xtootsiexrollx]

they all have a point
i mean clerics can fight but they are mainly a healer class
if u dnt wanna heal then just switch classes and get over it
personally healers has always been on of mah fav classes
getting invited into parties can also help u make friends and maybe be in more parties in the future that you kno ppl in
so in a way, every1 can benefit

but back to the point..if you dnt want to heal and want to fight instead then switch classes and get over it and just enjoy the game!

[AriesMehjor]

If you're tired of healing people, go be a fighter if you wanna bash things. And no...clerics arent allways the richest class, players make themselves the richest. Nuff said, this game is not about oneself, otherwise itd be on a console. Its about community and teamwork. And clerics have a vital role in that...literally.

Other classes are kept alive by you, if they die, so do you, because each of them are connected.

The tank dies? Mob attacks rest of party, rest of party is either dead or damaged and low on stones. Now we have no stat debuffs.

Archer dies? Wait for another 10 years to kill monster. and we cant pull without getting mobbed

Mage dies? Wait another 20 years to kill monster. Now we cant kill multiple mobs quick enough to stay alive.

Cleric dies? Tank dies Archer dies Mage dies, party dies. And now we're straded out here fighting mobs with no cleric waiting for another one to res your A#@$!

And that my friend is how you plaaaaay the game!

[Gravvi]

u make it seem like if the tank dies the cleric dies, which is not true. If u play robo clerics usually last the longest.

And people u need to realize that u should use stones and not rely on clerics heal.

You yell at them for not healing well they could have lagged(not their fault), they could have clicked on something else on accident(not their fault), they could be getting d/c(not their fault), you could have been rude to them(your fault)

But mainly i agree with bionical. Oh and every cleric plays the game different. Don't tell someone how to play the game. They have a different way of things. I know i don't heal just the main tank I fight when I can. I heal me my party then tank then everyone else no matter what. If you tell me how to play my character I won't heal or buff. I don't play like everyone else because my stats are diff than everyone elses.

[Xanthros]

-snip-
Archer dies? Wait for another 10 years to kill monster. and we cant pull without getting mobbed
-snip-


Not entirely accurate, you can pull quite easily with any class if you are careful. This touches on the tutorial I was in the middle of writing regarding game mechanics. Every NPC has a different 'radius of aggression', and as you learn the range required... you can pick and choose, and pull any amount you wish without having an issue. I do it as a cleric.

X-

[Firemind]

Clerics are the most resistant class out there, they can solo monsters several lvls higher than them with no problem but they do it MUCH slower than anyone else. Perhaps the mage can not solo the Zombi Master at all at lvl32 and cleric can, but the mage can solo 2-3 bats in the time a 32 lvl cleric soloes 1. In my opinion cleric can solo all they want, but by entering in a party the implicitly accept they are going to heal teammates, simply that is the only thing they do better than any other class, when the cleric doesn't heal teammates he is just a leacher since he is not doing much damage anyway because of his class, party would be doing better with another fighter. So do not complain clerics, in general I've seen ppl being very nice to clerics, they thank when resed or healed, and I have yet to see anyone thanking a mage for doing most of the damage, nobody does it, why? because that's what they expect of him. If he was tanking because that's what he likes he would be kicked of the party quite fast :rolleyes:


Healing is what people expect of clerics

And when they are not healed they die, becuase they relied on him so didn't use the pot. They lose exp and get mad, in my opinion that's just normal.

Note: Clerics are there to save lifes not stones / pots, help your cleric keep the party alive.

[Psylent]

One thing in response to the above post is to remember that clerics also have to look out for themselves. Tanks should set a mark in their mind at which to use a stone/pot. If their HP gets to that low-point, they should be using it and assume the cleric is focused on something else. Blind reliance on the cleric is foolish, and you can't blame him/her when you die under that circumstance.

Also, mages and archers should expect to use pots/stones at a higher HP mark since the cleric is going to be primarily concerned with healing the tank. If the tank goes down, every DD will follow shortly after...

[mifdsam]

Now, as to people who tell you only to heal, if you can still fight and keep them alive, them ignore them, or tell them only to use their level 3 skill and do nothing else, and see how they like it.

LOL, that is awesome, I will keep that in mind xD

[Xadien]

My Impression of a Cleric

LET ME TANK, HEAL MYSELF, HEAL MY PART &!!! !@!@!@ INCREASE mine and partys MAX HP SP, Defense and Magic DMG! why didnt they call it ClericFest!

[The_Chaotic_Dante]

Who ever lives in america

[BaronSkippy]

Silly conversation, it's stupid to be a cleric and not heal or buff. That's one of the reason's I became a cleric, that and getting pleveled withought being such a leech. Being a cleric is also harder then most would thing expecially with things like adds or suddeny dissapearing vit scrolls.

I've always been appreciated when I take the time to stop and rez a group of people or even when I tag along with some guildies in Uruga even though their higher level then me I can still contribute to a somewhat lesser extent then my higher leveled counterparts.

A cleric is an essential part of any group from 2 to 5 members that want to be reasonably efficient when grinding. Sure a fighter could duo with a mage or an archer and they could just stone it but that wastes money with higher probability of being taken down by adds, both of which are significantly reduced in the presence of a cleric that know's what they are doing. Plus the whole anti-death thing is pretty rockin'.

Although at times I've been unappreciated and at times some have felt the need to somehow believe that it was my fault that they died.

It's never the cleric's fault.

So in closing, if you're a cleric, just heal or play another class, and if you're not a cleric, just be thankeful we let you live XD

[dawg18st]

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g222/php_nuke/BABYGURL.gif i only call on clerics when im against hard apponents but i ask them if they want 2 level with me givin that i like to tank 3 or 4 mobs at once lvl 38 fighter bijou

[mikejodeb123]

i think that ppl who play on there clerics should stop whineing or play another class. clerics are sopposed to heal they are a healing class,thats y they are called clerics.

[juniper81]

in a party, i have no problem with just standing back and healing. it's what we do. it's why the class of "cleric" exists.

[burddin]

ok guys lets set the record straight here i have no doubt in a clerics abilities but everyone in a successful party knows their roles.you say you cant fight as a cleric becuase everyone wants you to heal? well i am a fighter do you have any idea how much money i spend on pots and scrolls just so i can tank for classes that cant? maybe i should charge you for all that when you want me to tank Zk for you? or perhaps you can just heal and rez me to pay for it? think about it.....

[juniper81]

(the guy in the above post is hot, btw)

[juniper81]

My Impression of a Cleric

LET ME TANK, HEAL MYSELF, HEAL MY PART &!!! !@!@!@ INCREASE mine and partys MAX HP SP, Defense and Magic DMG! why didnt they call it ClericFest!

you make no sense. you should avoid typing until you've had some coffee.

[burddin]

My Impression of a Cleric

LET ME TANK, HEAL MYSELF, HEAL MY PART &!!! !@!@!@ INCREASE mine and partys MAX HP SP, Defense and Magic DMG! why didnt they call it ClericFest!

well first off your arguement is just dumb....

the only time a cleric should ever tank in a party is when there is no tank fighter in the group in which case a cleric is the best substitute and there for if you are the tank the only person you should have to worry about is yourself when it comes to healing and if you have to heal others your not a good tank so stop trying to be one and let a more capable person do so.

[TnA_Kelso]

My thoughts are. Cleric are in this game to support the tanks and parties, Meaning heal! If u dont like it dont be one. i personely like standing way in the back and casting cure, Witch is why i chose to play that character.

Every character is put in this game to fill a Team Roll. Clerics Rolls is Healing and thats that. u wanna run around and kill everything go be a warrior, but we will see Whos asking my cleric to party them when they need spam heals. :cool:

[MagesRequiem]

Your job is to heal in a party. If you don't want to heal, pick another class. Your job is to keep the entire party alive and well and not them die. We were given Heal for a reason. So what if we can tank or hit just as well as a Fighter? Thats purely meant for soloing, not for partying unless we're specifically asked to fight. Like I said before, if you're being "discriminated" against then pick another class.

[Alhanthir]

Generaly partys are about optimizing xp per hour while minimizing costs ( I'm talking about serious partys).
If you think you can be of greater addition to the party fighting instead of concentrating on only healing, by all means try it. If you can improve the efficiency of the party, mission acomplished. If not, go back to healing, simple as that.

Every member of a party must do wathever increases its efficiency the most, if I decide to start stick whacking monsters with my mage and I actually improve the amount of xp gained without causing too much costs to the party, then I seriously doubt someone will tell me to concentrate only on casting... Sadly that's not the case, if I go melee, I die and I end wasting time and resources.

That's why mages don't go melee, their job or responsability in a party is to cast because that's what they do better, if they improve the efficiency of the party doing something else, then something else would be the job of mages.

The same happens with clerics, if you can actually make a better party by fighting and healing less, then do it. But if not, stay at what you do best.

Or you can always look for less serious partys where the goal is not the max xp/hour.

[Summit]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?

heres a simple solution...dont be a cleric?

[Archaonn]

heres a simple solution...dont be a cleric?

No, no, no that's too much common sense. How about all the other classes get healing spells so Clerics don't have to heal.

[Alhanthir]

Ok following that line of thought... you want mages to fling spells ? ask nicely, and say thank you. you want fighters to tank ? ask nicely and say thank you, and so and so.

Then the party spends 3 hours talking instead of killing and making xp, really efficient right ?

[sprague]

no, wut i'm really sying is they get mad at clerics when they die. do clerics ever blame the tankers if they fail to tank ? NO. its a one way thing between tankers and clerics. it doesnt nessecarily have to beg for rez with please and ty's but the way they talk itself represents mannerism. blegh.

[Alhanthir]

Thats something different, and i agree with you in that point, in a party people are going to die sometimes, as long as it wasn't a huge negligence (ie, the cleric went afk in the middle of the fight with no reason whatsoever), one should not be blaming anybody.

[Raptorg]

it's your job, it's not discrimination want to do damage? play archer or mage, want to tank(yes i've seen clerics taking on the job of tank or at least asking to be it) roll a fighter

don't want to heal? your problem, but people will think you're a self centered *****

the cleric is the support class healing and buffing, mages and archer do dps and fighters tank

i think the same way about fighters, they should tank, not dps
i always get annoyed if i see a fighter wearing a 2handed weapon, but not as annoyed as a cleric who wants to dps, they got the means to dps, you don't, your offensive spells/techniques are there to level and that's it

it's fine if clerics tank, but not if they dps, they're simply not made for it

[Summit]

are u stupid ? that is so shallow-minded. you should change yourself instead of changing others. u want clerics to heal ? ask nicely and say thank you. those words would make them even more pleasured to heal you. blegh. stop blaming clerics each time you lose your lives.

we are not that flattered to waste our sp's after u wasted your hp's
Lets see hp stones costed double almost triple sp stones. you ARE THE ONLY CLASS that can heal, so if you're saying that anyone in your party has to ask kindly for a heal? does that mean when mobs are beating the living snot out of you you have to ask us tanks to pull it or us archers to kite it off. I do hope to see clerics going ask for heal than, save me please I cant tank this many oh no!

No, no, no that's too much common sense. How about all the other classes get healing spells so Clerics don't have to heal.


lol ya...than everyone would never die? :P

[melforce]

I would like for people to ask a little nicer. And about the pleases and thank yous. Honestly, Use common sense! Ask for a party nicely don't just invite and expect people to join you. Thank them for taking time away from their questing when you leave the party. And as a cleric, when you're in a party, you heal. It is your job. You don't want to be in a party? Don't accept. You don't want to just be a healer? Go solo and don't ask people to do you favors.

[jak0999]

Cleric can be an easy class for me,

but the SP cost of buffs is a pain.

I am lv 38 and people expect me to give HP/SP buffs.

Thats stupid of them...

They should look at each masters store to see what skills people get at what lv.

I was curios and I know some of the skills in the fighter store like Vampiric Stirke or sumthing like that.

[burddin]

Cleric can be an easy class for me,

but the SP cost of buffs is a pain.

I am lv 38 and people expect me to give HP/SP buffs.

Thats stupid of them...

They should look at each masters store to see what skills people get at what lv.

I was curios and I know some of the skills in the fighter store like Vampiric Stirke or sumthing like that.

well im smart enough to know that hp/sp buff is at lvl 47 and i dont even play a cleric oh and BTW mara its cloud and vampiric strike is at lvl 55 hehe

see ya in game!;)

[Mareg]

well, be a cleric u have to be smart. If u're in a party, u gotta do the heal and buff job, more than the killing job. But sometime i take up the tanker role, if my party only got archer and mage =x It would be easier to focus on healing myself, instead of keep busying healing a archer or mage who cant tank, they die faster than me if they tank. So, be smart!

[Kaine12]

You see, A Cleric's job if in a party is to heal, buff and so on... so that the party can stay alive and functioning. Every memeber has roles according more or less to their class... If you don't heal the party then who the hell is gonna? It's team work... I've seen too many people in this MMO and others not stick to their roles and then the whole party falls apart... Tanks don't tank healers don't heal and nukers don't nuke... they all wanna be something else or they wanna do it all like they're superman... The whole purpose behind an MMO is to work with other people, TEAM WORK! If everyone doesn't work together it defeats the purpose of playing an MMO innit? Play a singleplayer RPG why dontcha? This is to everyone out there regardless of character class. If you don't wanna be relegated to healing then simple... DON'T BE A CLERIC! Be a fighter... On your own you can do what you want... But in a party you're no longer alone... you gotta do your part...

[Kaine12]

I see what you people are getting at but still-I find that its unfair. I can understand the circumstances in KQ where clerics are needed for the healing but honestly don't just randomly invite a cleric just because you want them to heal you-its stupid

Like I said... Clerics are SUPPOSED to heal that's the whole purpose of having a cleric in the party! Like a few posters said... A Cleric has the tools for that role... Imagine the real world... you can't have a medic firing the artillery can you? Or ask a pilot to sew up a wound... They invite you to the party so that you can fill the role of the healer... There's nothing random about it at all... Im really sorry to say this but if you say that people randomly invite you and expect you to heal, you make yourself sound stupid...

[warui]

actually, one of the most annoying thing about cleric is when u reach the upper lvls, ppl just randomly come up to you and say "BUFF". I ignore them, then they follow u around, saying "BUFF"... jeez that's my only complaint.

I find that at higher levs... the party asks you to deal dmg if u can (making sure u keep everyone alive first) the extra 100dps/200crit or 200bash/400 critbash does add up and allows you to kill mobs faster. faster mob death = faster exp. but if you ignore your first priority which is to heal pt members...you slow down the entire xp process because now you have to rev ppl, they have to rescroll, repot/get healed some how.

I think clerics are one of the busiest classes (even tanks dont get as busy as us depending on the situation).

Btw, even @ lvl 50+s tank awareness of HP is critical, sometimes clerics cannot heal faster than a tank is getting dmg, they need to know when to pot/stone. (even @ full CD reduction, heal sometimes is not fast enuf) use pots to supplement the cleric healing when possible/necessary.

[hon20]

As a fellow cleric, I'm sick of being invited into a party only because I am the class that I am. People only want me to heal and not fight-***! I'm a pretty strong fighter for a cleric-give me a break. What are your thoughts?

i agree when i get invited all they want me to do is heal.:mad:

[jascrybaby]

isn it nice to be the most important in the group?
when without euu, the party will die?
the party depends on euu n yr exp comes frm dem...
i play outspark wif maii brothers n dey always ask mii tuu help dem wif quest.
i dun see no wrong in dat,
anii ways.
im a cleric...:confused:

[Anonymous123]

The clerics help you, but who helps the cleric??
Other Clerics? I think no- well... I got revived like 10 times on lvl 14. (I was too small for those lizardmen. Not enough time to heal. =o)

Though it's boring healing ALL THE TIME. I mean all the time. Not a second to do anything else. We all know that doing something repeatedly for hours on end might make you hate it. (Think of school)

Sometimes I just want VIOLENCE. Lots of it! I do not want to and never intend to change my class. I can't figure out how anyway... (Voices in my head: She's crazy, let her be... be.. You freaks. Go drown in her thoughts.We did. It was fun.)

All three of them... Anna, Chris, and... I forgot the other one's name. Why give me a name if you're just going to forget it later... Sigh... Ha ha! Go cut yourself you emo! We don't discriminate against emos. And the people who cut themselves are masochists... *whacks on head* ow. Remember, it's "Blue" that feels your pain.Ow. My name isn't blue, the cleric's is.

[Telhar]

they should have made cleric a cloth-user, cleric is too powerful to appreciate the skills other classes offer. A cloth-using mage absolutely needs the tanker to taunt, or he dies in 2-3 hits. Cleric can take almost as many hits as tanker and then just heal himself. Best class to solo, essential to any group, no wonder so many grow arrogant and expect special treatment for playing their role. And make endlessly long threads like this :mad:

[academics03]

I don't have a problem with being in a party and sticking only to healing unless the party members are just bad at being in a party and there's mobs beating on everyone at the same time so I have to expend hp pots on myself while hoping to be fast enough to heal all the party members and burning sp very quickly. Or when the other party members get hurt and find it necessary to take time out of fighting to say "heal" to me as though I already wasn't. I also run into the problem where there's more then just my cleric in a party (and I'm often the higher leveled one) yet I'm the only one responsible for healing the other classes while the cleric (usually a guy...hmm...) tries to fight instead of helping keep the others alive.
I actually solo a lot for that reason; I don't like people randomly running up to me and inviting me without speaking to me, then ordering me around, taking all the drops, and fighting too much too fast so that I expend too much of my sp pots (and without drops it gets harder to restock). Course when I'm soloing I will still heal a person or revive if someone around needs it.

[CyberLord2000]

I have a level 15 cleric. Although clerics can deal damage, they would be more helpful to a party if they healed. You can and should be allowed to fight, but only if you let fighters go in first.

[Takako]

You are very right. WE can do more then just heal. Just the other day I was the highest in the Gold Hill Quest and they didnt let me tank for either of the bosses at the end. I've done it before and they barley give me a sctch. It almost killed us all cause of that stupid fighter that thought he was so great since hes lvl 25. No respect for clerics. People also hate us cause sometimes we don't heal and we level so easily. They say Whats your problem?! and I reply YOU!

[Semaj]

god someone just PLEASE KILL THIS THREAD!

clerics primary purpose in a party IS TO HEAL. yes, you can be a secondary damage dealer, but ONLY IF YOUR A GOOD ENOUGH CLERIC TO KEEP YOUR PARTY ALIVE. if people are taking more damage (or if you start taking damage) step back and make sure everyone stays alive.

>.< im so sick of these threads with all the whiny clerics.

[Semaj]

I also run into the problem where there's more then just my cleric in a party (and I'm often the higher leveled one) yet I'm the only one responsible for healing the other classes while the cleric (usually a guy...hmm...) tries to fight instead of helping keep the others alive.


if your the higher level you should be the secondary damage dealer unless they are a more str build or have a weapon that does more damage, IF they can actually hit the monster. otherwise the lower lv cleric heals while the higher plays damage dealer :)

[mitomaru]

i could not care less if i heal or att as long as i get exp.

[angel_sanctuary]

There are HP pots, people can heal themselves. and honestly when in a group and having to heal multiple members (for example there is a fighter to tank but a mage or archer who wants to attack random monsters while the fighter is fighting a monster only to get hit and take alot of damage) gets annoying because you can't heal everyone at once and often those with weaker defense end up dying before they can be healed... also, yea cleric might be the support person but that dosen't mean they should just stand like a dummy scarecrow all the time in a team to just heal and do no gameplay (killing monsters) and like someone said, it can be crappy when there is more than one cleric because sometimes all the healing is left to one because the other wants to do something else (sometimes not even attacking monsters just there for exp)

sides honestly us clerics can complain, we are the ones who keep you others alive alot of the time and revive you when you die and enable many to level faster than they normally could without a cleric in the team -fine to heal and rev when needed just not always good to abuse clerics as like slaves of the team or something. >.<

[Summit]

There are HP pots, people can heal themselves. and honestly when in a group and having to heal multiple members (for example there is a fighter to tank but a mage or archer who wants to attack random monsters while the fighter is fighting a monster only to get hit and take alot of damage) gets annoying because you can't heal everyone at once and often those with weaker defense end up dying before they can be healed... also, yea cleric might be the support person but that dosen't mean they should just stand like a dummy scarecrow all the time in a team to just heal and do no gameplay (killing monsters) and like someone said, it can be crappy when there is more than one cleric because sometimes all the healing is left to one because the other wants to do something else (sometimes not even attacking monsters just there for exp)

sides honestly us clerics can complain, we are the ones who keep you others alive alot of the time and revive you when you die and enable many to level faster than they normally could without a cleric in the team -fine to heal and rev when needed just not always good to abuse clerics as like slaves of the team or something. >.<


Unless you're willing to pay for the pots and stones....stfu? wow idiots like you make the game un-fun to play no wonder i quit. to get away from all this whining and boo hoo bull sh*t grow up people. I hope tanks refuse to tank and mages and archers refuse to dps. or better yet we just dont invite you clerics to our parties and make you solo realising you aint some special class that deserves to be a** kissed. Last I checked it was in the cleric description, Only class that heals. meaning keep people alive, meaning stop whining!?!?

Edit : I just wanted to say this again IDIOTS LIKE CAUSE GOOD PLAYERS TO LEAVE GAMES BECAUSE, WE HATE PUTTING UP WITH YOU BULL SH*T

[Semaj]

*slow clap for summit*
though i appreciate what you said, and i fully agree (and im VERY close to quitting this game as well) just let the thread die man. things will only continue to get worse in the fiesta community.

[taneeshag]

well duh, thats what makes the game fun..i don't party too much by choice, cause thats not why i decided to play. i chose to be a cleric just so i could heal myself..now if someone asks nicely for me to heal them, then sure i'll do it no problem. even if they didn't ask me to do it, i'll do it anyway. but when people start telling me its my job and that i have to do it, i just say **** you and keep it movin..i joined the game as a cleric for all purposes..im not complaining when it comes to healing others..you are sadly mistaken if you think im complaining, but who cares if it takes a long time to lvl up alone? not me...im not gonna waste my time just healing others all the time and gaining exp points cause someone else earned them for me..HELL NO!! thats just plain lazy!! i play alot of games and not just online...if you ask me, a cleric joining a party just to heal all the time and mooch off of the exp points is just plain stupid. when you really think about it, when u first join the game as a cleric, who in their right mind is gonna add a lvl 1 through lvl 19 cleric to their party? NOBODY...and why is that, because you can't heal or rez them thats why...so what do we do when we're lvl 1 - 19? we fight alone just to gain exp...ALONE!!! thats why i say its not our jobs to do it cause we don't get that ability until lvl 20...so whats our job then??? there is no purpose am i right? so if it wasn't our jobs to heal at those low levels, then why all of a sudden does it turn into just that when we hit 20? OMG I TELL YOU, SOME OF YOU GUYS UP HERE DON'T USE YOUR BRAINS!!! if you happen to get offended by this, then just stop playing with clerics. nobody ever said that it was the fighters job to kick *** for everbody all the time. and people can't party up all the time either...there is nothing wrong with going solo..i do it all the time..and who cares if i lvl up slower? not me..i just say more time to play the game,and more fun for me!!!

[taneeshag]

LMFAO!!! nobody has ever had to ask me for a heal...why? because im nice enough to just do it...but think about it, if it really was our job to do it, then they wouldn't have made potions for others to buy!!! feel me? and the reason why we're the only class with that ability is because........CLERIC...whats the definition of that word??? wow you people make me laugh! alot of us up here have good points, but why is everyone arguing about it...if clerics were banned from the game, then every other class would be stuck buying their potions...am i right? i know i am...go ahead and admit it. and not all clerics can buff...i didn't choose that one..i chose to make potions and stones..and why are other classes too damn lazy to just use the potions and stones that they have? because their too cheap to replace them thats why!!!

[taneeshag]

SEE NOW THIS IS A SMART PERSON RIGHT HERE!!!! I totally agree with you here! seriously...i have not seen one person up here approach this subject like this..TEAMWORK!!! that is all it is...not a job...enough said...koodos to you!

[megalomaniac]

i agree with her, i love being cleric, really i do, but sometimes ppl r toooooo rude: they're like "hey!!! y u can't heal... DAMNIT U HEAL!!!" nd that really PISSES ME OFF!!!:mad: we most of the clerics have to heal, we know that, but plsss, u fighters need to b that RUDE? come on, it's like if u dn't have POTS, i mean, we need COOL DOWN U KNW! we need care about OUR LIFE TOO, nd that's hard enough, no everybody's like that, i know a very friend of mine, nd he doesn't get mad when ew die, but i've been with some other classes bfore... nd really, they're really a headache, so pls... take care of us, ND DN'T UNDERSTIMATE US! we really can give a really good battle.... maybe too flawless, ;)

[delta172]

look guys lets just be honest here clerics are it!why do you think the reason is that there are so many more clerics in the higher lvls then any other class ?
ill tell you why cause we can outlast anyone out there in the battle field,we can play solo or play as a team.i fight and you know what i tanked!with my character that has a 178def at lvl 20 i can take a beating,and every cleric has the potential to do it too.clerics dont need anyone!simple you know why people help others ?cause they want to.they want to help.

[yukijin]

i help others simply for the exponentially greater exp an AOE party gives than soloing.

[Hinayori]

i am a lv28 cleric/ lv20 mage
honestly, i don't mind just sitting back and healing as long as i get protected. :) but if i am not, don't expect me to heal u properly when i am trying to protect myself.
If i survive= party has a chance of living.
If i don't= everyone dies
So, protect me and i will do my job (as long as i don't lag)
If not, then don't blame me for it. I get pissed when there is a mob on us clerics and the archer/mage is still freely hitting the boss. And also a party with 2DD who choose to stand so far apart, leaving me in the middle unprotected and still have to heal them both.

I don't mind leeching as well. lol. But make sure you put sequencial allocation so that i get a fair share of drops. OR i will be attacking and looting as well and can't be bothered with you.

I usually rez ppl if i pass some 'dead' ppl and not being asked to. lol.. so i see no problem with that.

I hate it when a mage or archer tries to tank a mob... it is really annoying and i gotta keep healing him/her. (With exception of those who unintentionally aggro mobs. That's fine. I understand)

[angel_sanctuary]

Unless you're willing to pay for the pots and stones....stfu? wow idiots like you make the game un-fun to play no wonder i quit. to get away from all this whining and boo hoo bull sh*t grow up people. I hope tanks refuse to tank and mages and archers refuse to dps. or better yet we just dont invite you clerics to our parties and make you solo realising you aint some special class that deserves to be a** kissed. Last I checked it was in the cleric description, Only class that heals. meaning keep people alive, meaning stop whining!?!?

Edit : I just wanted to say this again IDIOTS LIKE CAUSE GOOD PLAYERS TO LEAVE GAMES BECAUSE, WE HATE PUTTING UP WITH YOU BULL SH*T

that's too bad for your if you quit because people complain, in all games people will complain, there is no perfect game, and even if there was, human nature to complain.

people complain because the player wants respect, not really the class, not all player is there to stand and heal and do nothing, while some do but generally are all treated the same. Yes they may be the only healing one but they aren't required to or even have to if they dont want, which is why there are those that solo but other try to treat them as a party one which is why many are complaining they are always invited to team because people just want heal or revive.

honestly i dont mind healing or reviving in a team but peole have a right to complain if they are doing that but, there is no sequential so they don't really get any item, or they are told to stand back and can't attack monster if they want to, or as many said, a mage or acher who can't tank, tries to and just means alot of healing.

[Stenbumling]

I appriciate any constructive critisism. Actually when I think of it I can't remember anyone complaining over my healing as a cleric.

[tapke]

Well i have 36 lvl cleric and if someone needs me just for healing i do it, but sometimes cleric have to be tank too, so it isn't so lame to heal others, think about others, about they pockets ^^ so clerics have to do they jobs. KEEP PARTY ALIVE!!!! ;)

[Kiabosk]

If it bothers u so, why choose to be a cleric then? I chose a cleric because I love helpin people..

IF U ever get a random buff, rez, or heal, it could be me.. I heal everyone, or try to who needs or asks nicely for it.. Other people u can just ignore or quit partying with.. :)

[Vincent95]

haha, i kinda enjoyed reading this thread
well, when the pt ask the clerics not to attack it's not becoz u r only supposed to heal the tanks n keep the pt alive but becoz u also plays an essential part in making the KQ successful(n making sure exp keeps coming in during normal pt)
nobody says cleric cant tank coz they dun tank as well as fighter does, but only fighter has the taunt ability that keeps the aggro on them while the DD can do their job with less fuss
i dun mind if clerics wanna boast of their usefulness as long as they do their job...sure, attack a few mobs n have some fun dealing dmg but don't do that when there's risk where ur pt might be needing heal when facing strong mobs

[Kiabosk]

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU VINCENT THANK U FOR PUTTING THE RESPONSE U DID. CUZ UP UNTILL THIS POINT NO ONE HAD PUT IT IN THE RIGHT WORDS. (clerics can attack but we do need to focus more on the people who are supposd to be doin so. I think the only thing that makes us clerics mad, is the fact that A LOT OF PEOPLE seem to think that just because Clerics heal they CANT fight or defend themselves, that is soooo wrong. I myself have dedicated almost all my stat points on STR, and I do pretty decent damage, and am still able to heal REALLY good. However, just because I CAN deal damage, doesnt mean, I WILL put myself in risk of dying, and being unable to heal the group. If I can help without hurting my team I will, if not, then o well till next enemy comes... I say.. :)

[Chosen]

Ive got allot of Cleric friends above L47

and )(#@$(#@&%(* what is that question:

"Can i get a Buff PLZ" irritating..hahahaha.


..but that issnt discrimination..its more like...annoyoing :o

[rixiepxie]

Honestly, i agree with everyone, I'm a cleric, and i have gotten the few party invited just because i am a cleric and the other wants me to just stand back and heal them. But parties are for teamwork. Yes each class has a role. But it's not a role to live by. I've been in PLENTY of parties with Fighters, and as much as i enjoy just standing back and healing, i've been in the situation where i was the one tanking because i have more END than the fighter. And yes being a cleric is not as easy as it seems for those of you who haven't tried the cleric class. Being in a party and being responsible for your party members lives is big responsibility. having to make sure you keep everyone healed, and rez when needed. We do have cooltimes up to 30 seconds on our rez and keeping track of everyone and whats going on it hard...It takes a lot of practice to be a good cleric, just like any class. I prefer to solo in most cases and help those around me as needed, but i like being the tank, the dd, and the healer all at once.

[Summit]

Right now god is laughing his *** off because of these posts hes probably near the point of crapping his pants because of all the idiocy you've all shown to say people abuse clerics...

[taneeshag]

Ive got allot of Cleric friends above L47

and )(#@$(#@&%(* what is that question:

"Can i get a Buff PLZ" irritating..hahahaha.


..but that issnt discrimination..its more like...annoyoing :o



OMG!!! this is exactly what i was trying to say..too bad i wasted my damn breath saying all the other **** i did..i tend to do that sometimes..you know how aries people can get once you've got them going..lmao!! but yes, the whole point to this thread is that there really is no discrimination going on, only annoyance!! no, wait maybe a little discrimination. but only when it comes to people saying that us clerics are the weaker class, and that we can't tank etc etc etc...the list goes on and on...but wait people...isn't that almost the same thing as racisim? wow!! and we wonder why the world is the way it is today. but other than that, the truth is that all classes are weak when you think about it. why do i say that? because there is always a higher level or a person that can just plain fight better than you despite your level, or someone that just plain knows how to survive better than you out there!! NOW DO YOU GET THE PICTURE PEOPLE??? WELL SAID CHOSEN, VERY WELL SAID INDEED..SHORT SWEET AND TO THE F'ING POINT!!!

[Wyvernrider]

I'm a cleric because I want to be able to support, and that's what clerics do best. They can support by helping deal damage, as well as keeping everyone alive. I don't feel discriminated against when asked to heal, it's just my job. And when I heal that random person or res someone that needs it, I still get thanked almost every time. Think about it this way, when is the last time you thanked a fighter for tanking or a mage/archer for dealing the extra damage that quickened a kill?

[Vincent95]

I'm a cleric because I want to be able to support, and that's what clerics do best. They can support by helping deal damage, as well as keeping everyone alive. I don't feel discriminated against when asked to heal, it's just my job. And when I heal that random person or res someone that needs it, I still get thanked almost every time. Think about it this way, when is the last time you thanked a fighter for tanking or a mage/archer for dealing the extra damage that quickened a kill?

crap...now that u've mentioned it...all i get for tanking was a "gj"

[Nanook8310]

imho you picked a wrong class, if you aren't doing what you are best at and try to purely damage instead, you're half a spot. You will never have the tanking capabilities or even dps of a warrior, never mind the true dps classes. Cleric is versatile, you can do damage if there is plenty healing around, you can do some tanking if needed, but you should not deny healing if there is demand for it

I was in a mara KQ, Out of 15 people, 11 were clerics and the rest archers and mages, no fighters, some of us did just as much damage as fighters tanking. We finish a lot sooner than i ever have with fighters in the KQ. Clerics can be just as good as fighters, but were better, we can heal ourselves. We dont have to be expected do a thing! I fight when i can, ill back off and heal when i have to.

[Vincent95]

I was in a mara KQ, Out of 15 people, 11 were clerics and the rest archers and mages, no fighters, some of us did just as much damage as fighters tanking. We finish a lot sooner than i ever have with fighters in the KQ. Clerics can be just as good as fighters, but were better, we can heal ourselves. We dont have to be expected do a thing! I fight when i can, ill back off and heal when i have to.

u have my respect for completing mara kq w/o any fighters with cleric as a majority in the group

but bear in mind that mara is just the 2nd kq, u have yet to see what other kq is like so dun pass down judgement so early...i won't stop u from thinking that cleric is better than fighter in a way when in fact they r...but then there's a limit to as how good a cleric can be when compared to a tank. PEACE;)

[Daimonoi]

cleric is a healer that is his first priority-to make sure his party survive!
But that does not mean that clerics back down from fight.
Im a cleric lv13,just started,but cleric is the same in any game you play
his priorities,from most important:
Heal
Buff party
Protect(archers,mages)
Supporting(tankers)
Tanking(as secondary tanker or when fighters are n/a)

Clerics,Fighters are better tankers,better dmg dealers so let them do it.
Fighters,be grateful for clerics,because we got your sweet asses covered and healed,and you know it.

[koya_kitten]

HA! It makes me mad when ppl always say "Just heal!" Heck if I wanted to 'just heal' why would I have a freakin weapon in my hands and a buff scroll on??? I happen to hit pretty good damage, and I can fight AND heal at the same time you know.. I know when its time to back off the attack and just heal and when I can handle fighting and healing without a member of the party biten' the big one. Fighters, mages and archers are awesome dont get me wrong, but clerics are for more than just healing :/ And believe it or not we CAN solo and stay alive without a party... We just 0wn like that ;D... And I am just sayn.. When the party gets mobbed.. The members could take a lil stress off us and use a stone/pot when they get down to far in hp while we are healing someone els.... You should know when its time to heal yourself.. We try our best! ;-; Dont hate on us >.<

[ZeeKitten]

HA! It makes me mad when ppl always say "Just heal!" Heck if I wanted to 'just heal' why would I have a freakin weapon in my hands and a buff scroll on??? I happen to hit pretty good damage, and I can fight AND heal at the same time you know.. I know when its time to back off the attack and just heal and when I can handle fighting and healing without a member of the party biten' the big one. Fighters, mages and archers are awesome dont get me wrong, but clerics are for more than just healing :/ And believe it or not we CAN solo and stay alive without a party... We just 0wn like that ;D... And I am just sayn.. When the party gets mobbed.. The members could take a lil stress off us and use a stone/pot when they get down to far in hp while we are healing someone els.... You should know when its time to heal yourself.. We try our best! ;-; Dont hate on us >.<

yeah...and technically clerics dont HAVE to heal others. thats what stones and pots are for...healing. their is no rule that says "clerics HAVE to heal party members or anyone who asks for a heal or revive".

heck, i have a mage mad at my old cleric char because while in burning hill i had 3 others besides her and i in the party and she died a few times and i revived her and before she could get healed she would run off to attack and get killed within 10 seconds of being revived so i said i wouldnt revive her anymore -.-

[Summit]

yeah...and technically clerics dont HAVE to heal others. thats what stones and pots are for...healing. their is no rule that says "clerics HAVE to heal party members or anyone who asks for a heal or revive".

heck, i have a mage mad at my old cleric char because while in burning hill i had 3 others besides her and i in the party and she died a few times and i revived her and before she could get healed she would run off to attack and get killed within 10 seconds of being revived so i said i wouldnt revive her anymore -.-

haha....Still this bull is going on? wow.....ok yes stones heal...what? compared to your spell.. ooo ok LETS ALL SPAM STONES AND POTS and such......if you dont heal party members leave parties stop wasting space for people THAT WANT TO HELP OUT seriously if you all dont want to party heal dont? ...gtfo and go solo. -shrugs- lets others who WANT to build in game friendly relations and not be some wall flower and doesnt mind spending time just kicking back and being lazy by healing now and than for OMG FREE XP I DONT HAVE TO WORK FOR ALL I DO IS POINT CLICK every now and than.. Tanks dont have to tank, dps doesnt have to dps. every class can solo but its funner to work with others...dont wanna heal others GO SOLO PLEASE and STOR WHINING like ignorant 12 year olds. I mean cmon they kill faster than you thus getting you more xp.-shrugs- look into the facts kiddos and pull that big block head of yours out of your own **** ;)"

[Summit]

cleric is a healer that is his first priority-to make sure his party survive!
But that does not mean that clerics back down from fight.
Im a cleric lv13,just started,but cleric is the same in any game you play
his priorities,from most important:
Heal
Buff party
Protect(archers,mages)
Supporting(tankers)
Tanking(as secondary tanker or when fighters are n/a)

Clerics,Fighters are better tankers,better dmg dealers so let them do it.
Fighters,be grateful for clerics,because we got your sweet asses covered and healed,and you know it.

oh and no clerics are not the better damage dealers ANY AND ALL CLASSES OUT DAMAGE YOU. Yes and fighters dont cover you at all right? from idk..keeping the higher level mobs from shredding you...unless your party is stupid and grinds greens and yellows. not reds.

[Summit]

So heres the basic sum of the 2 posts

Clerics Who Dont Want To Heal Others : Don't party, have fun solo'ing, ignore people and be marked as a jack-*** for the rest of your time on fiesta. No you cant out tank a Fighter, no you cant out damage any class, stop trying to state these facts because well.. your wrong.
And Sorry you dont want to do what your one class ALONE was built to do and thats aid others.

Clerics Who Want/Like To Heal Others+Buff Others : Much love to you not just for supporting your teams but also for being a well rounded open hearted person. For being open to building relations with people and making a large good hearted community

[Daimonoi]

oh and no clerics are not the better damage dealers ANY AND ALL CLASSES OUT DAMAGE YOU. Yes and fighters dont cover you at all right? from idk..keeping the higher level mobs from shredding you...unless your party is stupid and grinds greens and yellows. not reds.

hey i know that we are outclassed by damage,by all,BUT WE ARE ONLY OTHER MELEE CLASS IN THE GAME!!!
what you gona do when there aint no fighters?
Put an archer or mage to tank?
fighters are designated tankers in the game,cause we clerics have less hp,less armor,and we have to watch out for other players in the party so they dont get hurt.
Playing a fighter is easy,you just stand in the front,hit,hit,hit,hit some more,till they are no more.Tell me,do you wory about your hp when you have a cleric by your side?
We could switch places-i tank and you get behind them and then hit them.Only then,I wouldnt fight at all,i'd just stand there and heal myself all the time,and you would do the sam thing(see above).
It would end the same!!!
we all alive,monsters all dead,you killed them,i took care of the damage!
Deja vu,anyone?
dont get me wrong,i have nothing against fighters or other classes
im just saying that the ppl who diss clerics,saying they are the weakest cause of the damage,id liked to see against a cleric in an old fashioned one-on-one match.
i mean,how can someone survive against something that heals it self back to full hp after your every strike?!?!
both sides equall lvl,both sides stuffed with potions,stones etc,both sides great items...
it all comes back to this-mage,archer and fighter do damage,cleric heals damage.
our entire class is based on outliving the enemy!
your only choice is to make him run out of sp before you,thats all
id like to see that match,id really do...

[koya_kitten]

haha....Still this bull is going on? wow.....ok yes stones heal...what? compared to your spell.. ooo ok LETS ALL SPAM STONES AND POTS and such......if you dont heal party members leave parties stop wasting space for people THAT WANT TO HELP OUT seriously if you all dont want to party heal dont? ...gtfo and go solo. -shrugs- lets others who WANT to build in game friendly relations and not be some wall flower and doesnt mind spending time just kicking back and being lazy by healing now and than for OMG FREE XP I DONT HAVE TO WORK FOR ALL I DO IS POINT CLICK every now and than.. Tanks dont have to tank, dps doesnt have to dps. every class can solo but its funner to work with others...dont wanna heal others GO SOLO PLEASE and STOR WHINING like ignorant 12 year olds. I mean cmon they kill faster than you thus getting you more xp.-shrugs- look into the facts kiddos and pull that big block head of yours out of your own **** ;)"

Gah,I said NOTHING about spammin your stones or HP, I just said when we are healing someone els dont let yourself die then blame ME for the exp you lost bc you wasnt the only party member who needed healed. Yes tanks are important, but im not gonna let the other members die just bc you tank and they dont >.< And the fact is we help boost your damage and such to so.. Yeah... Fighters dont make up the party, they help ALOT, but I would be just as happy just being the tank myself and have a mage by my side with there kick **** magic.

[Summit]

hey i know that we are outclassed by damage,by all,BUT WE ARE ONLY OTHER MELEE CLASS IN THE GAME!!!
what you gona do when there aint no fighters?
Put an archer or mage to tank?
fighters are designated tankers in the game,cause we clerics have less hp,less armor,and we have to watch out for other players in the party so they dont get hurt.
Playing a fighter is easy,you just stand in the front,hit,hit,hit,hit some more,till they are no more.Tell me,do you wory about your hp when you have a cleric by your side?
We could switch places-i tank and you get behind them and then hit them.Only then,I wouldnt fight at all,i'd just stand there and heal myself all the time,and you would do the sam thing(see above).
It would end the same!!!
we all alive,monsters all dead,you killed them,i took care of the damage!
Deja vu,anyone?
dont get me wrong,i have nothing against fighters or other classes
im just saying that the ppl who diss clerics,saying they are the weakest cause of the damage,id liked to see against a cleric in an old fashioned one-on-one match.
i mean,how can someone survive against something that heals it self back to full hp after your every strike?!?!
both sides equall lvl,both sides stuffed with potions,stones etc,both sides great items...
it all comes back to this-mage,archer and fighter do damage,cleric heals damage.
our entire class is based on outliving the enemy!
your only choice is to make him run out of sp before you,thats all
id like to see that match,id really do...

hmmm.....ok if you think its easy playing a fighter and holding aggro youve never tried being one. and ya know a good fighter who knows how to chain off his skills can keep a cleric from healing not hard trust me ive done it

[koya_kitten]

hey i know that we are outclassed by damage,by all,BUT WE ARE ONLY OTHER MELEE CLASS IN THE GAME!!!
what you gona do when there aint no fighters?
Put an archer or mage to tank?
fighters are designated tankers in the game,cause we clerics have less hp,less armor,and we have to watch out for other players in the party so they dont get hurt.
Playing a fighter is easy,you just stand in the front,hit,hit,hit,hit some more,till they are no more.Tell me,do you wory about your hp when you have a cleric by your side?
We could switch places-i tank and you get behind them and then hit them.Only then,I wouldnt fight at all,i'd just stand there and heal myself all the time,and you would do the sam thing(see above).
It would end the same!!!
we all alive,monsters all dead,you killed them,i took care of the damage!
Deja vu,anyone?
dont get me wrong,i have nothing against fighters or other classes
im just saying that the ppl who diss clerics,saying they are the weakest cause of the damage,id liked to see against a cleric in an old fashioned one-on-one match.
i mean,how can someone survive against something that heals it self back to full hp after your every strike?!?!
both sides equall lvl,both sides stuffed with potions,stones etc,both sides great items...
it all comes back to this-mage,archer and fighter do damage,cleric heals damage.
our entire class is based on outliving the enemy!
your only choice is to make him run out of sp before you,thats all
id like to see that match,id really do...

Hahaha this is true, but the only prob with that is, unless its intent on killing YOU, if you dont hit it and another does, the moster will turn on them xD And I do agree with everything you said =o What I hate is when you are in a guild war 1 v 1 with a fighter and they so "No heals it not fair".. Well healing is a given for us, so you fight me you get the hole package.. If I dont heal, you gotta take away one of your skills to then :rolleyes: Lol thats just the odd way I think I guess ;)

[Summit]

Hahaha this is true, but the only prob with that is, unless its intent on killing YOU, if you dont hit it and another does, the moster will turn on them xD And I do agree with everything you said =o What I hate is when you are in a guild war 1 v 1 with a fighter and they so "No heals it not fair".. Well healing is a given for us, so you fight me you get the hole package.. If I dont heal, you gotta take away one of your skills to then :rolleyes: Lol thats just the odd way I think I guess ;)

Str Fighter - Stun Duration- GG cleric .-. all i have to say.

[wildmustng87]

I read like 3 pages and thats it so sorry, I am sure this has been stated plenty of times.

The cleric's main job is to heal, although when the damage isn't out of control there is no problem fighting alongside the tank in your party. But healing is top priority, always.

Just PLEASE people, say please and thank you! My main problem is when I get people running and jumping all around me saying BUFF, no please or anything. First of all, if you are running around like an idiot I can't click on you to buff you. Second, say please. I go "afk" all the time when there are people standing in my face yelling BUFF, not saying please or anything. Same with reviving, if a cleric takes the time to find you and revive you, at least say thank you!

I have no problem buffing or reviving... just be polite about it and quit taking it for granted.

^.^

[taneeshag]

oh and no clerics are not the better damage dealers ANY AND ALL CLASSES OUT DAMAGE YOU. Yes and fighters dont cover you at all right? from idk..keeping the higher level mobs from shredding you...unless your party is stupid and grinds greens and yellows. not reds.


not unless u put all ur points toward damage....then u hit hard..:D dont think any cleric has done it yet though..Ah who cares..they'll figure it out.

[Yenke5]

I love being a Cleric. I like healing people and what not. But (and i did get this) during a KQ when people blame you for their death saying "you were supposed to heal me". Well It is a little hard when 13 people are asking for a heal and you try to heal them, but 8 people are in your way and you can't find the person that wants a heal, AND others get in your way when you do find them (and you accidentally click on them), AND THEN the person MOVES when you do find them and instead I start walking to the area they were in and... yeah.

[Lythari]

I love being a cleric as well. If you have more than one cleric on a KQ, you can have one focus on healing and the other focus on rez. Just a thought...

[DarkAngelTsubasa]

To me, other than mages, clerics r cool. They fight n heal. Best combination =D

[Chewy]

I read like 3 pages and thats it so sorry, I am sure this has been stated plenty of times.

The cleric's main job is to heal, although when the damage isn't out of control there is no problem fighting alongside the tank in your party. But healing is top priority, always.

Just PLEASE people, say please and thank you! My main problem is when I get people running and jumping all around me saying BUFF, no please or anything. First of all, if you are running around like an idiot I can't click on you to buff you. Second, say please. I go "afk" all the time when there are people standing in my face yelling BUFF, not saying please or anything. Same with reviving, if a cleric takes the time to find you and revive you, at least say thank you!

I have no problem buffing or reviving... just be polite about it and quit taking it for granted.

^.^

*claps* exactllyyy lol, see i think ppl not doing this is the reason why alot of clerics dont like randomly helping ppl. Half the time, ppl practically beg for buffs (this is especially annoying WHILE youre fighting or something), then when you do it for them, they just walk away. Blah, i like being a cleric too, but sometimes it just makes me wanna scream.

Anyway, back on topic lol, depending on the situation, you can actually do both. If my party isnt aoeing or something, i will aid in damage and heal when my party members need it. If my party's tank is grabbing like 10 mobs or something, that is when I just heal. You can both fight and heal, its hard sometimes, but I do it alot, you just have to watch your party members alot, and make sure you heal when needed.

[kira1211]

Lol i kinda like it because then I get (almost) free xp by just healing. Like this one time, a tanker barely needed any healing so our party killed many monsters in just few minutes. I ADORED the xp i got XD.

But then on duos, I heal AND fight. If my partner doesn't complain about it, then I keep on doing it.

[Myn19]

Ok I love this forum,why because it debates a situation and it's very interesting.:pMy first caracter was a cleric I chose a cleric because I like to be independent,I want to be able to help other people and since they are sought after by teams I don't have to invite people myself.I like people to come to me not the opossite.I like to be neutral so I'm going to defend both clerics and other classes.I tried all the classes.

While I was a cleric I went solo until somone invited me to join their team,at that time I was low level,I helped my team at the best of my abilities but I also fought,they didn't complain.After reaching lvl 10 I tried my next caracter,an archer I liked it because I could attack monsters at a distance so people couldn't attack the monsters before me.

It was so frustrating before,people kept killing the monsters before I could reach them,though because of this I had a new problem now they stole the stuff my monsters dropped.><...Ok now after this short introduction I'm going to tell my opinion on both.While I was an archer I joined a team with a cleric as leader.

I was in a place that had monsters a little above my level,and I was reluctant to attack and unfortunately I couldn't suport my other teamates because they were higher level and they killed the monsters before I could help.After seeing that I was the only one that was doing nothing I decided to risk and fight.I didn't get killed but the monster ate half of my HP,reassured that I wouldn't die I attacked again and was surprised when the cleric healed me,I forgot about her by that point.

I attacked again and after the fight I was healed again when I looked aroud I saw her heal many others that were or weren't on the team,we were all scaterred around and she still had time to heal all of us,and she ocasionaly fought too.From this you should understand that clerics are supossed to be reliable and helpfull not vengeful and unreliable.

I wanted to thank her numerous times but because she healed me during a fight I didn't have time and after the fight I thought it would be stupid to thank her after such a long time though I did manage to thank her once.Also if players add a ! after a sentence it doesen't necessarily mean they're comanding you,maybe it was meant to express the urgency or they didn't have time to type plz,I agree it's not that in some cases but you know how people can be sometimes,rash and stupid.Though I don't reccomend staying with such people if it hapens frequently.

You should be used to the fact that people want you in the party because of your healing,fighers are wanted for tanking,archers and mages are wanted for damage and you may say that you are good at multiple things and maybe you really are but people are like that,they are prejudiced they know you're healers and they stop at that they can't know if you're good at something else unless you tell them and prove.

You should also think this way,if they want you to stay at the sidelines and heal only that means they want you to concentrate on healing right?So that means they admit they need your help so much that they need your total attention.I know because I can also be impatient that clerics get bored with healing only and it's normal to want to do something else from time to time.

My sugestion is to keep two caracters at once I keep my cleric and archer and play archer when I'm bored,at least I plan to,I'm still a noob.:DOk time to defend the clerics:you should be asked nicely if people need your services as long as they have time,you should also be respected,you're almost invincible!But don't become selfcentered pricks MMO's are all about teamwork and everyone has their weaknesses and advantages and it's better to be in a team,this way you can all cover for each other.

I would like to excuse myself if I have grammar mistakes because english isn't my first language and I would also like to say that you all sure love to quarrel.:rolleyes: