Helga shields

[FlashBoom]

the Helga shield really NEED to be nerfed like now.

im really sick of it, because it WAY overpower the already overpowered fighter.

everyone needs to spam csr w/ tickets to please fix this asap

[Blaxcalibur]

lulx seriously..why arent these things nerfed yet.

and clerics can use them too...why dont they get called out in the overpowered statement? :/

[GM_Pilkysico]

Spamming the CSR System will only get you banned.

The shield are being nerfed in a future patch.

Please be patient.

[shihouinkyouhei]

fighter with helga shield 70% cookie and full party... no 95 blue set... 3800 mdef... ***???

[wunamon]

i dont get people sometimes. u get people complaining that fighters dont tank properly. Well it gets worse when they nerf the def on shields. If outspark take anything away from fighter again it will end up turning them into clerics with no purpose. this game is not made originally for PvP. It is PvE oriented. So if u feel overpoweered by a fighter just because u are fail ore because u not good with ur character then avoid pvp zones. it is as simple as that. if u dont have an army u dont go to war. Simple as that. PvP is not forced on u. But PvE is necessary for the game to progress. therefore if u going to complain about figters go read basics a bout fighters then u will see that fighters are supposed to be hard to kill to make them the most effective tanking class. No one like a squishy fighter or a fighter with no damage.

[FlashBoom]

Spamming the CSR System will only get you banned.

The shield are being nerfed in a future patch.

Please be patient.

i didnt mean like 1 person send in more then 1 ticket.
like 100 ppl send in 1 ticket would be spamming.

because multiple tickets about same thing should bump it up on priority list


i dont get people sometimes. u get people complaining that fighters dont tank properly. Well it gets worse when they nerf the def on shields. If outspark take anything away from fighter again it will end up turning them into clerics with no purpose. this game is not made originally for PvP. It is PvE oriented. So if u feel overpoweered by a fighter just because u are fail ore because u not good with ur character then avoid pvp zones. it is as simple as that. if u dont have an army u dont go to war. Simple as that. PvP is not forced on u. But PvE is necessary for the game to progress. therefore if u going to complain about figters go read basics a bout fighters then u will see that fighters are supposed to be hard to kill to make them the most effective tanking class. No one like a squishy fighter or a fighter with no damage.

fighters can tank tos w/o charms easy. which os loses money there idk y they havent nerfed already lol.

taking away from fighters? umm they nerfed all helgas but the shields, they should have done shields @ same time, so u didnt get anything taking more then everyone else.

i know pvp is not forced on me, but ppl get way to high and might because im a HG+9 wand mage and hit a fighter for 5xx damage -.-

really a full spr fighter, should not be able to pass mage in Mdef, let alone ones w/ no spr lol...

[wunamon]

Spamming the CSR System will only get you banned.

The shield are being nerfed in a future patch.

Please be patient.

silky really!!! at least give reason for nerfing. All we see in fiesta is that changes are made without some form of explanation to back the resoning for the changes. Also if u notice, all this complaining about fighter items being overpowered are mainly mages. Just them. I cant believe weapons were nerfed in the first place now shields too. ( weapons stats are nerfed but mob stats stay the same. Kinda raises questions about fiesta)
If this nerfing and degrading of fighters continues outspark can pls proceed to remove fighter class all together because for every patch made to fix classes, fighters are the ones that suffer and this is making us slow levelers since we have to take on mobs one at a time. Ar least clerics have heals. Don't punish all fighters because of a feature which is not mainstream gameplay feature. (PvP). concentrate on improving things that matter like the PVE.

[GM_Pilkysico]

i didnt mean like 1 person send in more then 1 ticket.
like 100 ppl send in 1 ticket would be spamming.

because multiple tickets about same thing should bump it up on priority list



Just FYI, spamming CSR does not make the process go any faster. Customer Service does not have any power to make a change in the game. They only report issues. This issue was reported about a month ago with the other Hellgate weapons being nerfed. The balance for the shield just hasn't come yet.

Again, be patient. Onson is the developer for Fiesta. They are the ones who have to make the change in the game.

[wunamon]

taking away from fighters? umm they nerfed all helgas but the shields, they should have done shields @ same time, so u didnt get anything taking more then everyone else.

i know pvp is not forced on me, but ppl get way to high and might because im a HG+9 wand mage and hit a fighter for 5xx damage -.-

really a full spr fighter, should not be able to pass mage in Mdef, let alone ones w/ no spr lol...

This is because all other classes only got 2 helga items nerfed. we get 3 nerfed. now with shield nerfed we loose 4 equips to nerfing. what do u mean people get all high and mighty. people who play games usually play to show dominance. so yea is usual that someone will gloat about how they spend money on cookie and beat some other player. so that really isnt a reason to get weapons and shields nerfed.

[drigr_x]

I think the HG wpeaons all deserve to be overpowered. They are a rarity with the (2 month?) closing of Helga's Tomb. It don't think something that can no longer be obtained should be nerfed... (And I am not a fighter nor could I use HG items if I was so don't give me the "You're just looking out for fighters" talk)

[HeroicAce]

the shields are 1400 def and 900 mdef atm...... and thats all im going to say about that.

[Stingerdan]

the shields are 1400 def and 900 mdef atm...... and thats all im going to say about that.

That's so much more than the 260+ def that the 90 shield brings @.@

[Blaxcalibur]

lmao....266def 86m.def vs that titan of a equip xD. anywho..wats said is said, nerf comin (soon.ish? :P) so i dont gotta look stupid when i make it to lvl100 n pick knight

[FlashBoom]

This is because all other classes only got 2 helga items nerfed. we get 3 nerfed. now with shield nerfed we loose 4 equips to nerfing. what do u mean people get all high and mighty. people who play games usually play to show dominance. so yea is usual that someone will gloat about how they spend money on cookie and beat some other player. so that really isnt a reason to get weapons and shields nerfed.

LOL wow i would say just stop talking -.-

you complaining fighter are getting more things nerfed, really??

@&^@$ give mages more weapons and shields then, i will be glad to have my 3rd wep and my shield nerfed.........

and about buying cookie packs... umm with a cookie pack i still cant kill uncharmed HG shield fighter. and guess what? they can use them too!

This issue was reported about a month ago with the other Hellgate weapons being nerfed. The balance for the shield just hasn't come yet.

so they shields were deemed to be nerfed right after they noticed they missed the shields....


btw lv 91 HG shield 1400def, 900Mdef
lv100 knight shield: 399def 129Mdef

you really dont see a problem with that O.o?

[StoveTopGnome]

This is because all other classes only got 2 helga items nerfed. we get 3 nerfed. now with shield nerfed we loose 4 equips to nerfing. what do u mean people get all high and mighty. people who play games usually play to show dominance. so yea is usual that someone will gloat about how they spend money on cookie and beat some other player. so that really isnt a reason to get weapons and shields nerfed.


I have yet to see a fighter use all four weps of the class, but lets jus say you do, ummm after next job change your already going to lose three things or one so this nerf really wont affect you as much as now and for everyone else not getting four gears nerfed if all other classes had four gears we would get nerfed as well, needless to say your the one who picked that class <3

Have fun enjoy the game

[ethanthao38]

i didnt mean like 1 person send in more then 1 ticket.
like 100 ppl send in 1 ticket would be spamming.

because multiple tickets about same thing should bump it up on priority list




fighters can tank tos w/o charms easy. which os loses money there idk y they havent nerfed already lol.

taking away from fighters? umm they nerfed all helgas but the shields, they should have done shields @ same time, so u didnt get anything taking more then everyone else.

i know pvp is not forced on me, but ppl get way to high and might because im a HG+9 wand mage and hit a fighter for 5xx damage -.-

really a full spr fighter, should not be able to pass mage in Mdef, let alone ones w/ no spr lol...

wow so u means u want to kill fighter with 1 hit, funny

mage is over power in turn of dmg but they always complaining a lot that fighter is over power

even before the hg weapons exit, a chain fears will kill any fighter if the fighter do not have hp extender and yet thay complain that fighter over power what a laughable joke

back to topic: yea the hg shield need to be nerf

[Eternal_Doom]

wow so u means u want to kill fighter with 1 hit, funny

Um...what level are you? Because Fighters have ALOT more HP than 500.

mage is over power in turn of dmg but they always complaining a lot that fighter is over power

Mages should be the main damage dealers, but who outdamages them? Fighters and even Archers to an extent. Not to mention, Mages have the lowest def too. Main damage dealer as the 3rd highest damaging class anyone?

even before the hg weapons exit, a chain fears will kill any fighter if the fighter do not have hp extender and yet thay complain that fighter over power what a laughable joke

Well considering that a Fighter's HP pool is so large, they have a very easy time surviving chain Fear. And their HP stones heal 2/3 of their HP

[saiyou8]

Maybe they are a bit overpowered but geez, atleast fighters can take a lot of dmg with HG shield. Isn't this just good in PvE?
Maybe you're just mad 'cause you can't win a fighter in PvP ._.

But if they're opening Tomb of Helga soon again, I hope the HG equip drop rate will be really low. Someone can easily collect a collection of HG's and rule the whole server.
Which would suck.
Then like every second person [the rich people] has a HG shield and PvE gets too easy and PvP ruled by HG people.

[zephyr_wind]

Maybe they are a bit overpowered but geez, atleast fighters can take a lot of dmg with HG shield. Isn't this just good in PvE?
Maybe you're just mad 'cause you can't win a fighter in PvP ._.

But if they're opening Tomb of Helga soon again, I hope the HG equip drop rate will be really low. Someone can easily collect a collection of HG's and rule the whole server.
Which would suck.
Then like every second person [the rich people] has a HG shield and PvE gets too easy and PvP ruled by HG people.

I can't tell if your in opposition of the nerf or not. o.o

I love how fighters are complaining more and more now that PVP is becoming more balanced on a basic level.

[saiyou8]

I can't tell if your in opposition of the nerf or not. o.o

>.> well, to be honest - me neither.

[firebolt126]

What abotu the cleric? They have the shield too....

[kouturoq]

Nerf one, nerf all.
Shield is no exception<3

[DeathPyres]

Nerf one, nerf all.
Shield is no exception<3

And end of the thread.

[Dthugtherealist]

Too much from a pvp stand point think of the pve. To me its like people complain about fighters being overpowered too much the Fighters that are suped up with all types of stuff are the overpowered ones. Your chances of getting a Hg anything is like super rare still........... If you participate in a raid the main tanks will get watever unless a mage sneaks in and grabs something or the archer or the cleric or you end up forking up mad dough to someone with the wep that you want. Pretty much............. If I had suped up equips like full blue sets godly +9 Hg weps waiting for me I woudn;t dare to complain so what if your not creaming the fighter with a HG shield do you cream 100 monsters per second(a lil over exaggerating of course)? If so then be happy you can do that cuz your probably one of the few mages rocking a helgate on your server making you the overpowered one in sense............

[i_rule]

uhmm... all i hear is most mages crying cuz they want hg shield nerfied and ppl who doesnt have hg shield obiously xD :) .. mages still pawn fighter and cleric wit them using hg shield and yet u want it nerfied. if mages and other classes cannot kill ppl using hg shield its called u fail as ur class .

[i_rule]

since this is thread to ask GM for help clerics neds AOE ATTACK =D<3

[kouturoq]

uhmm... all i hear is most mages crying cuz they want hg shield nerfied and ppl who doesnt have hg shield obiously xD :) .. mages still pawn fighter and cleric wit them using hg shield and yet u want it nerfied. if mages and other classes cannot kill ppl using hg shield its called u fail as ur class .

Quite clearly spewing crap from your bottom.
I would LOVE to see you kill a HG shield fighter in 1v1.

I go from hitting fighters 1k+ down to 300-400 when they equip the shield. Kthxbai.

[i_rule]

meet me in apoline then missy :)

[kouturoq]

No no, please, I must be stupid, please explain to me how I fail if the shield reduces my hits from over 1k dmg down to a mere 300-400dmg. Please, oh great one, please explain to me why a mage, the fighter's greatest weakness, can't even scratch the fighter...the second they equip the hellgait shield.

Oh, right, it's not because of the insane mdef the shield has, it's because we all "fail" riiiiiiiiiiiiight. ;D

[i_rule]

lol its not even that insanely high rofl.... how come a mage still can kill a hg shield user i mean cleric or fighter for example.. itoy and ive seen him kill hg shield user DX

[lolyina]

o.o Drama in every thread that is made. xD Only on Fiesta.

[kouturoq]

The joys of cash shop making it easy to plow through an OP equip.

[lolyina]

The joys of cash shop making it easy to plow through an OP equip.



<.< Yea. Totally off topic, but Nice screenie for the forum MVP Jen. xD Sexy outfit.

[i_rule]

well mages can cash shop too :D <3

[Eternal_Doom]

Imagine a 70% Def charm/M.def sut with that thing...

*Shivers*

[i_rule]

well mages can get 70% and reg def suit too cant they >?=D

[kouturoq]

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6907/11kdef.jpg
Would be so fun [not] trying to get enough mdmg to hack through that~
Even with charms, lol...

[i_rule]

show us ur damage wit charm and suit too plz :) and lets compare. i believe ur 9x

[jadedeepfire]

Quite clearly spewing crap from your bottom.
I would LOVE to see you kill a HG shield fighter in 1v1.

I go from hitting fighters 1k+ down to 300-400 when they equip the shield. Kthxbai.

That happens to me too.
My friend told me to hit him and i did 1k dmg on him then he equped HG shield and i did 500-600.
Like u said,nerf one,nerf all

[kouturoq]

show us ur damage wit charm and suit too plz :) and lets compare. i believe ur 9x
That was a guildmate's old, fully buffed up def.
Just showing how ridiculous the HG shield is unnerfed. :]
That happens to me too.
My friend told me to hit him and i did 1k dmg on him then he equped HG shield and i did 500-600.
Like u said,nerf one,nerf all

Depressing, isn't it?

[jadedeepfire]

srry posted with wrong account be4.

yes is so depressing how all the weapons are nerfed exepted the helgait shield

spamming CSR does not make the process go any faster. Customer Service does not have any power to make a change in the game. They only report issues. This issue was reported about a month ago with the other Hellgate weapons being nerfed. The balance for the shield just hasn't come yet.

I bet the creator of this thread made it because he tought that with out alot of reports they wont do nothing about it.

[wunamon]

the shields are 1400 def and 900 mdef atm...... and thats all im going to say about that.
they should be. Helga equips are not those that u get form form regular mob or dungeon bosses therefore they are not common. Just like blue have higher damage aim adn attack rate than weapons of their same lvl. Helga equips are hard to get and it is a situation of survival of the itest in the race to obtain them. Nerfing them will simply undermine the efforts of those who got it. special items are so because well.. they are special. U just complaining because of PvP and u know all too well pvp is a matter of choice unlike PvE. if someone has helgait weapon simply avoid them or dont enter PVP zone.

[wunamon]

Maybe they are a bit overpowered but geez, atleast fighters can take a lot of dmg with HG shield. Isn't this just good in PvE?
Maybe you're just mad 'cause you can't win a fighter in PvP ._.

But if they're opening Tomb of Helga soon again, I hope the HG equip drop rate will be really low. Someone can easily collect a collection of HG's and rule the whole server.
Which would suck.
Then like every second person [the rich people] has a HG shield and PvE gets too easy and PvP ruled by HG people.
That is the purpose of helgait weapons. Just like how in any movie or game the person with the special sword or weapons seem to be the boss. Stop complaining about helgaites and go get one for ur self or avoid PvP. After all there is no benefit from PvP.
All these arguments would have made sense if PvP gave exp or drops or money. Unfortunately, PvP offers nothing of benefit, rather waste of SC items, pots and stone. really apart form feeding egos what benefit has PVP got to warrant fiesta to make such an experience changing alteration.

[HeroicAce]

they should be. Helga equips are not those that u get form form regular mob or dungeon bosses therefore they are not common. Just like blue have higher damage aim adn attack rate than weapons of their same lvl. Helga equips are hard to get and it is a situation of survival of the itest in the race to obtain them. Nerfing them will simply undermine the efforts of those who got it. special items are so because well.. they are special. U just complaining because of PvP and u know all too well pvp is a matter of choice unlike PvE. if someone has helgait weapon simply avoid them or dont enter PVP zone.

the problem is that they already nerfed all the weapons, and i explained in great detail when it happened why it was fair and needed. in short it had to do with sizing them to our version of the game which is smaller from the original in terms of numbers, but the shields were left the same. now you have a HG staff that does 891~1350 mdmg, and the shield has 900 mdef. that is why they are complaining and why the shields need to be nerfed, they simply are not fair as of now.

and for a side note, anyone that says a mage with a HG could own a HG shield cleric or fighter should double check their so called facts. it might be possible to kill one, but it would be extremely difficult considering the average 4k mdmg of a HG mage would be up against 2k mdef minimun, not even considering gear/build or class that is a ridiculous number.

[t3nchi]

aye aye ... well yea.. it might seem alot but in pvp HGstaffs, HGwands, and HGaxes eat thru that shield like nothingso i dnt see what the complaining is for. Fighters are no longer the over powered class...its now mages. that same shield protects yall wen in a party with a fighter if he dies ur chances of dieing increase greatly. i understand the pvp aspect of it but in pve u guys (mages) benefit from it ALOT as u dnt die as much! but hey ..we'll see how much grinding and fustration will be accomplished with it :p

[zephyr_wind]

aye aye ... well yea.. it might seem alot but in pvp HGstaffs, HGwands, and HGaxes eat thru that shield like nothingso i dnt see what the complaining is for. Fighters are no longer the over powered class...its now mages. that same shield protects yall wen in a party with a fighter if he dies ur chances of dieing increase greatly. i understand the pvp aspect of it but in pve u guys (mages) benefit from it ALOT as u dnt die as much! but hey ..we'll see how much grinding and fustration will be accomplished with it :p

someone didn't read pevious post. Flash just said that he has a +9 HG wand and only does 500 damage on someone with a HG shield so, that blows a whole in your argument. Mages aren't overpowered, this argument is getting annoying. Fighters can still stun and skill stack a mage. The only difference is the have to work to get to them. I don't see how that makes mages overpowered. It doesn't matter anyway, the shield is getting nerfed. No need to discuss it now.

EDIT: Also don't give me that the shield keeps mages from dying crap. Fighters still lose aggro to mage AOES and mages still die. A shield is not gonna keep them from losing aggro. Unless there is some hidden ability these shields have that most people don't know about >.>

[t3nchi]

someone didn't read pevious post. Flash just said that he has a +9 HG wand and only does 500 damage on someone with a HG shield so, that blows a whole in your argument. Mages aren't overpowered, this argument is getting annoying. Fighters can still stun and skill stack a mage. The only difference is the have to work to get to them. I don't see how that makes mages overpowered. It doesn't matter anyway, the shield is getting nerfed. No need to discuss it now.

500 dmg means that person was either charmed or has alot of SPR gear!!!..i have a +9 hellgait and i get hit way more that that easy 1k+ crits! and im lv93 and ive fought flash before and he wasnt hitting no 500's on me..and yes i kno they are getting nerfed i already said that. im just saying there's really no need to push it then, aswell as the mages benefit from the un-nerf in pve greatly, cuz if ur tank dies the chances of u dieing against a hard mob jumps about 70% wouldnt u say?

[Stingerdan]

The shields need to get nerfed so I don't look stupid as a knight with less defense than a Gladiator with a HG Shield ;~;

[firebolt126]

Nerf it, then re-release helga with lvl 99/100+ lvl req. equips with pre-nerf stats or slightly better dmg/def than it is now. Done. (make helga harder, drop rate lower..something that isn't easy to acquire)

[blackjoker2]

So the complaint is about PvP and is a matter of PvP balance.

It is obvious that OS nerfing HG weapones is for slowing down the leveling speed, not for game balance at all. Thats why they did not nerf the shield but other weapones dealing high dmg.

For game balance, they did nothing.

We have already many complaints about PvP balance from other classes, so why GMs/OS/OOS needs to do it now and only for small potion of mages who like PvP?

I agreed the nerfing of shield for PvP balance but not in a high priority.

For PvE, nerfing the shield is not a good idea however.

[FlashBoom]

500 dmg means that person was either charmed or has alot of SPR gear!!!..i have a +9 hellgait and i get hit way more that that easy 1k+ crits! and im lv93 and ive fought flash before and he wasnt hitting no 500's on me..and yes i kno they are getting nerfed i already said that. im just saying there's really no need to push it then, aswell as the mages benefit from the un-nerf in pve greatly, cuz if ur tank dies the chances of u dieing against a hard mob jumps about 70% wouldnt u say?

i was hitting you for 6xx (1,2xx crit)
but ya i guess i do like the shields for pve(tho HG wand makes me take almost all aggro ne way >.>)
but i guess when i made this thread i was mad at the time from a pvp kq >.>

tho u cant complain, the shields were supposed to be nerfed the same as weapons. i mean if them nerfed them then, ppl wouldnt be saying they shouldnt be nerfed because of other HG weapons power.

if they are all are nerfed, it would be like none of them were. the HG wands would hold the same power over nerfed HG as if neither were nerfed.

[artboi]

So the complaint is about PvP and is a matter of PvP balance.

It is obvious that OS nerfing HG weapones is for slowing down the leveling speed, not for game balance at all. Thats why they did not nerf the shield but other weapones dealing high dmg.

For game balance, they did nothing.

We have already many complaints about PvP balance from other classes, so why GMs/OS/OOS needs to do it now and only for small potion of mages who like PvP?

I agreed the nerfing of shield for PvP balance but not in a high priority.

For PvE, nerfing the shield is not a good idea however.

Finally someone said it.

[Blaxcalibur]

So the complaint is about PvP and is a matter of PvP balance.

It is obvious that OS nerfing HG weapones is for slowing down the leveling speed, not for game balance at all. Thats why they did not nerf the shield but other weapones dealing high dmg.

For game balance, they did nothing.

We have already many complaints about PvP balance from other classes, so why GMs/OS/OOS needs to do it now and only for small potion of mages who like PvP?

I agreed the nerfing of shield for PvP balance but not in a high priority.

For PvE, nerfing the shield is not a good idea however.

u failed to explain exactly HOW its not a good idea.

u wouldnt find it unfair for a knight to have 3k def while a gladiator with a helgait shield has 4.5k? its its so needed for pve, how are mages and archers capping? wouldnt they die like..idk..all the time? i know the mobs hit hard but theyre also several lvls higher that 91 and are that strong to balance out lvl95 set armor def..at least thats wat i think

[drigr_x]

u failed to explain exactly HOW its not a good idea.

u wouldnt find it unfair for a knight to have 3k def while a gladiator with a helgait shield has 4.5k? its its so needed for pve, how are mages and archers capping? wouldnt they die like..idk..all the time? i know the mobs hit hard but theyre also several lvls higher that 91 and are that strong to balance out lvl95 set armor def..at least thats wat i think


Mages and archers have the ablitlity to aoe/kite. Add that with Teva and who cares how often you die?

[blackjoker2]

u failed to explain exactly HOW its not a good idea.

u wouldnt find it unfair for a knight to have 3k def while a gladiator with a helgait shield has 4.5k? its its so needed for pve, how are mages and archers capping? wouldnt they die like..idk..all the time? i know the mobs hit hard but theyre also several lvls higher that 91 and are that strong to balance out lvl95 set armor def..at least thats wat i think

Does everyone get a hellgait?
Do you know how much real money they paid for that? and they need very good luck to get one.

Hellgait is a reward of ppl's endeavor before 89lv cap raise.
It is rare and special. Thus, it is pointless to make comparison with normal green gears.

[kalas7]

since this is thread to ask GM for help clerics neds AOE ATTACK =D<3

no offense but i think that should be left for the holyknight class only :/ otherwise clerics will consider themselves fighting classes in kqs and no one will recieve support x.x

[drigr_x]

no offense but i think that should be left for the holyknight class only :/ otherwise clerics will consider themselves fighting classes in kqs and no one will recieve support x.x

Yeah. And Gaurds could get an aoe Invince.

[Blaxcalibur]

Mages and archers have the ablitlity to aoe/kite. Add that with Teva and who cares how often you die?

unless outspark came out with a item that lets you receive exp while your dead on the ground..then im sure dying will slow down your lvling

Does everyone get a hellgait?
Do you know how much real money they paid for that? and they need very good luck to get one.

Hellgait is a reward of ppl's endeavor before 89lv cap raise.
It is rare and special. Thus, it is pointless to make comparison with normal green gears.

Does everyone get a helgait? no
Do you know how much real money they paid for that? it varies
Bonus Question : Does it give them the right to be insanely overpowered PvP and PvE wise? not at all. which is why the weaps were nerfed. Helgait weaps were nerfed 60% then brought up 15% makin it a 45% nerf..and guess wat, theyre still stronger than any other weapon. So why should the sheild be any diff? explain pl0x

[avion210]

u failed to explain exactly HOW its not a good idea.

u wouldnt find it unfair for a knight to have 3k def while a gladiator with a helgait shield has 4.5k? its its so needed for pve, how are mages and archers capping? wouldnt they die like..idk..all the time? i know the mobs hit hard but theyre also several lvls higher that 91 and are that strong to balance out lvl95 set armor def..at least thats wat i think

Thats kinda the whole point of the prestige class change, duh? It wouldn't be a job CHANGE if both of the classes were the same.

[xNimue]

Sigh, I'm sure the original Korean players don't complain this much...

[blackjoker]

unless outspark came out with a item that lets you receive exp while your dead on the ground..then im sure dying will slow down your lvling



Does everyone get a helgait? no
Do you know how much real money they paid for that? it varies
Bonus Question : Does it give them the right to be insanely overpowered PvP and PvE wise? not at all. which is why the weaps were nerfed. Helgait weaps were nerfed 60% then brought up 15% makin it a 45% nerf..and guess wat, theyre still stronger than any other weapon. So why should the sheild be any diff? explain pl0x

You dont get my point. I do agree the shield nerfing. But I dont think GM needs to do it at once becuase there are not many shields in each server.

[goldhawk2]

*hasnt read any of the posts sense my last post*

why would OnsOnsoft want to nerf the sheilds? that would give archers/mages a little more of a chance to win >.> they wouldnt want that happening =3 onsonsoft + archers = dont mix =S

[avion210]

*hasnt read any of the posts sense my last post*

why would OnsOnsoft want to nerf the sheilds? that would give archers/mages a little more of a chance to win >.> they wouldnt want that happening =3 onsonsoft + archers = dont mix =S

Lol, you don't know much about the Korean version do you... Archers are so overpowered there, they are like as overpowered as fighters are here (maybe more).

[Andromeda]

Thats kinda the whole point of the prestige class change, duh? It wouldn't be a job CHANGE if both of the classes were the same.

They aren't mean't to but you missed his point. Gladiators =/= the tanking class so why would a Gladiator have more def than a Knight?

Oh also

Archers have an evasion buff a crit buff and a Strength buff too IIRC on their version they are more overpowered than fighters on the Korean version.

[philiplr]

Imagine a lvl96 mage with 8,000 defense.

Some basic info on magic damage vs physical damage. 1 point of magic defense protects a character from magic damage much more so than 1 point of physical defense, because mages inherently do somewhere around half the magic damage of a fighter's physical damage.

So if we were to take that 4k+ figure of a fighter's magic defense with an HG shield on, we'd arrive at around 8k. Now, if a mage had 8k defense I doubt that the fighters who are saying HG shields should not be nerfed would not be saying, "it's so great that mages can have 8k defense now! Who cares about pvp!"

Or what if mages simply didn't have their helgait wands nerfed and were hitting fighters for like 2,500 damage a hit? Would these same fighters be applauding the ridiculousness of the helgait stats?

For those of you saying "if you put 70% charms on, you can kill an uncharmed fighter with an HG shield on!," go stuff a sock in it.

[goldhawk2]

Lol, you don't know much about the Korean version do you... Archers are so overpowered there, they are like as overpowered as fighters are here (maybe more).

are they overpowered here? are they close to it? exactly. Just cuz they are overpowered there doesnt mean they should be BS here >.>

apparently Onsonsoft doenst believe in balance

[vonartrix]

helgait shield should be nerfed or DDs would be useless in a fight lol

[Blaxcalibur]

Sigh, I'm sure the original Korean players don't complain this much...

they also are not playin this version. im guessin u have a helgait sheild?

You dont get my point. I do agree the shield nerfing. But I dont think GM needs to do it at once becuase there are not many shields in each server.

obviously lulx. you didnt seem to propose the nerf but condemn it in your other post, either way..just because theres not alot of them doesnt mean its not an important issue. most of the complaints i see are about cs or game balance, this definitely makes some players far stronger than others of the same lvl.

Imagine a lvl96 mage with 8,000 defense.

Some basic info on magic damage vs physical damage. 1 point of magic defense protects a character from magic damage much more so than 1 point of physical defense, because mages inherently do somewhere around half the magic damage of a fighter's physical damage.

So if we were to take that 4k+ figure of a fighter's magic defense with an HG shield on, we'd arrive at around 8k. Now, if a mage had 8k defense I doubt that the fighters who are saying HG shields should not be nerfed would not be saying, "it's so great that mages can have 8k defense now! Who cares about pvp!"

Or what if mages simply didn't have their helgait wands nerfed and were hitting fighters for like 2,500 damage a hit? Would these same fighters be applauding the ridiculousness of the helgait stats?

For those of you saying "if you put 70% charms on, you can kill an uncharmed fighter with an HG shield on!," go stuff a sock in it.

wat she said c:

[fxarch]

Flash, I love you dude. But, I can't abide by mages being upset that Fighters get a bit of mdef for once.

[Jessav]

I'm getting tired of people talking about Helgait this and Helgait that.

No wonder why they closed Helgait Tomb.

[Canboy]

Flash, I love you dude. But, I can't abide by mages being upset that Fighters get a bit of mdef for once.

960 m def is not "a bit" as you say. Its more then my natural m def, and im a lvl 94 mage