Attack Point increase on an INT/WIS pet ><

[malia_montenegro]

(I was debating on where to post this thread, and since a mount is still technically an item, I figured this would be the best place to post it. If this is the wrong place, feel free to move the thread)

To start off, my main character is a mage and I have an INT/WIS hippo. I tried enhancing my hippo twice; and both times the enhancement succeeded, leaving me with a Level 2 Hippo. Which is pretty awesome, right?

Well, except for the fact that my bonus stat is... AP4. As in, Attack Point +4. As in, absolutely useless for a mage, let alone on an INT/WIS pet, since magic users benefit from INT to boost our Magic stat, and have virtually no use for the Attack stat.

Anyway, this is what I mean. These are the stat buffs I get from my mount:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/malia_montenegro/enhance_03.jpg

I basically get:
INT+3 (cool)
WIS+3 (also cool)
Movement Rate +2 (since it's a Level 2 pet - cool)
Attack +4 (-_-)

Here's my base stats on my mage without the mount:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/malia_montenegro/enhance_01.jpg

So the stats in question at the moment stand as follows:
Attack: 9+0
Magic: 108+126
INT: 68+4

Now, these are my stats when I'm riding my hippo:
http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn155/malia_montenegro/enhance_02.jpg

My stats on the hippo are as follows:
Attack: 10+4 <------ this is where I feel I got shafted
Magic: 113+126
INT: 68+7

As you can see, my Magic went up due to the INT+3, but so did my physical Attack due to the AP+4. As a mage, I don't need physical attack at all. On an INT/WIS pet, an Attack Point increase seems like a waste, because a physical attacker wouldn't have any use for the INT stat in the first place while a magic user has no use for the Attack buff.

Before anyone says "Sell/trade your mount for another one!", let me just say two things in regards to that:
1) My hippo was a gift from my guild master and a fellow guildie. They both knew that I really wanted a mount, but couldn't take the time to do the pet quest in full due to my work schedule. So without my knowledge, they did the pet quest for me under the pretense that the pet would be for my fellow guildie. Much to my surprise, when the mount hatched, she just turned to me, dumped it into my inventory (we were in a party) and went, "Here Kim, this is for you." It might just be me, but it feels wrong to sell/trade away a present, you know?
2) Who the heck would want an INT/WIS pet with AP+4 anyway? Other magicians/healers who would benefit from the INT/WIS would have no use for the AP+4, while physical attackers would have no use for the INT boost. Either way, it's a bum deal on both ends and I wouldn't be able to get a good price/trade for it.

I gather that the extra stat gained from enhancing a mount is random, but this just blows. None of my characters (magic users or physical hitters) benefit fully from this mount at all; and I can't help but feel like as a magic user, I got shafted by the enhancement.

What do you people think?

[wardomic]

It's common knowledge by now that dnc has failed to keep balance between the many physical attackers and the 2 magic classes. There are attack wings, but no magic wings, there are attack pet buffs, but no magic pet buffs, and now as you pointed out attack mount buff(odds are there is no magic mount buff :(). It just isn't fair for the physical attackers to get all the cool buffs, while the magic class keeps asking but gets ignored. You are completely right to be upset, and yes it's random but with the way things are attack buffs from pets and wings should benefit both classes to deal with things like that mixed mount you got. I am sorry and wish i could help more, and this thread could also be done in general discussions. Let us hope that outspark pushes for this fix sooner rather than later.

[Quazzie]

Uh sorry kim :(

There are so many things that seem wrong recently. :3 Attack being favored over Defense, why don't we just make the red bell give +30 attack? Hp being favored over Mp, another thing App/Aco class trees are missing out on.

These random stats are another issue. Why can't they be limited to an item that actually needs it. Wis pearls giving 20 - 80 hp when you can tell it's mp that's wanted. Int Pearls giving 2 - 8 attack points when again it's another stat the enhancer is looking for to either sell at a good price or to help lv/farm. These are just a few examples.

[Ayanami]

Before anyone says "Sell/trade your mount for another one!", let me just say two things in regards to that:
1) My hippo was a gift from my guild master and a fellow guildie. They both knew that I really wanted a mount, but couldn't take the time to do the pet quest in full due to my work schedule. So without my knowledge, they did the pet quest for me under the pretense that the pet would be for my fellow guildie. Much to my surprise, when the mount hatched, she just turned to me, dumped it into my inventory (we were in a party) and went, "Here Kim, this is for you." It might just be me, but it feels wrong to sell/trade away a present, you know?


Awww that was really sweet of your guildmates! I agree with you, I would feel too attached to it to trade it!



2) Who the heck would want an INT/WIS pet with AP+4 anyway? Other magicians/healers who would benefit from the INT/WIS would have no use for the AP+4, while physical attackers would have no use for the INT boost. Either way, it's a bum deal on both ends and I wouldn't be able to get a good price/trade for it.

Enhanced mounts also get an attack bonus of 5% per level JUST FOR BEING ENHANCED. So, not only does this screw over you magic users EVEN MORE, the good news is that it DOES make your hippo more desirable for trade. While POW/AGI is best mount type for most non-magic users, the AP +4 and Attack +10% still make your mount very desirable for trading.



I gather that the extra stat gained from enhancing a mount is random, but this just blows. None of my characters (magic users or physical hitters) benefit fully from this mount at all; and I can't help but feel like as a magic user, I got shafted by the enhancement.
What do you people think?

I totally agree that Outspark/DNC should rebalance the game. I think anything that gives +Attack should also give +Magic Attack in equal amounts. Since there is no class in the game that uses BOTH Magic Attack and normal Attack (and thus benefit twice as much from any attack items), this would not unbalance the game.

Furthermore I would suggest that Pet and Mounts be UNenhancable (as in RE-enhancable). So, if you got a bad enhancement, you could pay A LOT of kron (or some rare item) to unenhance the pet and give you a fresh start.

[whatkindofnameisthis]

Feel sorry for ur pet, here s something maybe cheer u up, haha

Check it out! A brand new hippo! since i m a scout n no need of INT3 WIS3, i think the only thing i can do is let it go to a better master TwT...

Looking 4ward 4 ur offer.

[AnimePimp66]

crappy thing is hippo and dino are ones that seem to b made for magican class yet an attack class would get waaaaaay more out of the deal lol

[MarvHartigan]

I completely agree with this post... It seems that someone forgot something while making the buffs... I agree with Aya as well, I think every item which gives atk buff (except physical atk candy) should give the same amount of magic, like Fist Up does, that's to say:
- atk wings
- enhanced pet atk buff
- enhanced mount ap
- enhanced mount atk%

and there should be a int or magic mask or cowbell or some face item which either boosts int or magic.

the only drawback I can see, is that magic deals consistent damage, and it'd might be too much, but what is not too much nowadays? -_-
Maybe these items should boost a lil less than physucal atk, but I strongly support some consideration in this matter and to magic users.

Adios!

[bloodly-chan]

I personally think + int and agi is really silly.

Why would magic users need agi?
And if you're a rogue (I personally use my int/agi pet on my neo leather farmer) why would you need int?

Unless you're a super wierd priest like me, who actually puts agi into their build (dodge dodge <3) why would you even WANT agi?

I can understand the agi/pow mounts, or the int/wis mounts (again, why are there like 3 agi/pow mounts, and only 1 int/wis mounts [not totally sure on this, correct me if I'm wrong]) but honestly...

Outspark really needs to rebalence this game.

I'm sure many people can agree that magic users really are getting the short end of the staff/cane on this game...

[MarvHartigan]

there r:

- 2 INT/WIS mounts: Teddy & Hippo
&
- 3 INT/AGI mounts: Dino, Piggy, Bernard

Adios!

[bloodly-chan]

We still have the disadvantage. >____>;

[poochyenarulez]

I personally think + int and agi is really silly.

Why would magic users need agi?
And if you're a rogue (I personally use my int/agi pet on my neo leather farmer) why would you need int?

Unless you're a super wierd priest like me, who actually puts agi into their build (dodge dodge <3) why would you even WANT agi?



i have 8 agi in my build x_O
i love dogde, always wanted to be part healer, part rouge..........

[masterroku]

I'm SIN and I have a level 3 hippo. @_@ I mainly wanted it just for looks, but lucky me, at least it has Attack+6 as an added bonus stat. ^_^

Mounts should have had RANDOM starting stats. I would have preferred a +pow/+agi HIPPO @_@.

[bloodly-chan]

i have 8 agi in my build x_O
i love dogde, always wanted to be part healer, part rouge..........

I'm not saying it's bad, I personally have like 10 in my build.

It's always helped me a little, and today it saved me when my aoer dced and the mob went straight to me. I managed to dodge 3 or 4 of the mobs, giving me enough time to spam cooling and run away.

[AnimePimp66]

lemme give yall example my wify has a lv 3 def teddy mount stats +3 int +3 wis +6 def 15% attrate now i equip it on my arch mage and i do roughly 5 or 10 more dmg o.o and have a little more mp i equip it on my rogue and my dmg goes up about 150 to 200 o.o and it allows me to aoe in maps i not suppost to b in so bleh yea at least make the 15% att rate apply to magic lol

[lujunkai]

This thread would be good to post on the feedback and suggestions section.

[lujunkai]

This game is different and relatively new, perhaps they thought that if the pets were random therefore the buffs "should" be random, too?

I don't think any Physical Attack Classes would ever need INT, but the chances of them getting INT mounts are completely random just like Magicians. However Magic users do have major disadvantage due to the fact that the enhancements give only the attack or defense buffs.

For example, when I was playing MU Online, the Wings in the game are designed to fit every single class. Blade Knights' Wings would never get Wizardry Dmg Increase, and the Soul Masters' Wings would never get Attack Dmg Increase as you upgrade it with Jewel of Life. However, in MU the Wings are separated by classes, it would not make sense to Increase the Strength of a Wizard when the Wizard clearly uses magics to kill. While on the other hand, the chances for any class to get any types of Wings were completely random in the game, too (but at least the upgrade is not, and at least you can trade your Wing for a different one from another player).

I strongly suggest OS to change the Mountable Pet Enhancement stats based on different types of pets, and for god's sake add the Magic Increase Buff!!! You can have Magic Dmg Increase Candies and no Magic Dmg Increase Buffs? What kind of balance is that?! An Int/Wis or an Int/Agi pet should never have a chance to get Attack Buffs and a Pow/Agi or a Pow/(whatever) pet should never have a chance to get Magic Buffs (which they won't b/c they don't exist, so what do they have to worry about? NOTHING, that's right!). While at the same time, all pets should have equal chances of getting Defense Buffs. That would actually make sense!!!

[LightintheDarkness]

Ayanami-chan said that the mouns get a +5% attack bonus just for being enhanced. I just want to point out that it's a +5% attack RATE bonus, not an additional amount tacked on to the attack stat. In other words, it increases the number of normal hits (non-skill) you can perform in a given amount of time

[fenixdrive]

Really? I know the wording is a bit misleading, but I think it does affect the attack stat, not the attack rate stat. My lvl 1 max wt hippo on my rogue increases both my rogue's attack and int, with the attack rate staying at about 0.4 secs.

[poochyenarulez]

the attack rate, increase attack power~
typo or something o.O

[bobalitos]

to the thread starter:

Some people are really poor in game but they also have multiple characters. You personally might not have use for that attack point stat while another mage might have an alt scout. In that person's case, the +attack hippo can be useful to main (mage) AND the alt (scout).

just to toss it out there... having alts is very common


that's also my explanation for why we have int/wis mounts.

[malia_montenegro]

to the thread starter:

Some people are really poor in game but they also have multiple characters. You personally might not have use for that attack point stat while another mage might have an alt scout. In that person's case, the +attack hippo can be useful to main (mage) AND the alt (scout).

just to toss it out there... having alts is very common

Yeah, I know people have alts. I happen to have 4 myself; and suffice to say, I rarely use my alts, unless I'm farming for leather/wood or for the heck of it (my squire, aco and xenian; and even then, these three aren't even at high enough level to ride the hippo in the first place). So, for the most part, the hippo stays on my mage. I do transfer my hippo to my neo when I go farming for the attack bonus, but even then, I still feel like that attack bonus should've also affected magic attack as well. Then again... I guess that's the same old song-and-dance the magic users have been going with, so I won't get into that.

As I mentioned, my mount was a guild present from my guildmaster/fellow guildie; if not for that, I'd have traded it away a long time ago for an unenhanced INT/WIS pet or sold it to someone. But as it is, I've grown to love my hippo all the same.